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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on May 22, 2004, 02:18:01 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20040522/en_nm/arts_cannes_palme_dc
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is that a shag or a permed mullet that cat has goin on back there in that 2nd pic? i hope they release that film over here..i don\'t think it would destroy bush but i do think it would hurt him a bit..but i want to see it just out of curiosity...
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Lotsa ultra-liberal anti-war tree huggers at those Indy film festivals. Not suprising he would win.
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^^and it was also in france ;)
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Free Tibet!
J/K
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040522/en_nm/arts_cannes_moore_dc_3
Watch Out for the Pretzels, Moore Tells Bush
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Moore admitted to one regret after accepting the Palme d\'Or -- he forgot to thank George W. Bush for providing the funniest lines in "Fahrenheit 9/11," a blistering attack on Bush\'s handling of Iraq (news - web sites) and the war on terror.
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Aked what he thought Bush\'s reaction might be to the award, he told a packed news conference: "He is probably choking on a pretzel or something. I hope nobody tells him that I have won this award while he is eating a pretzel."
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"I forgot out there on the stage to thank my cast. So if I could do that now, I want to thank Mr Bush, Mr Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld. I thought the love scene between Cheney and Rumsfeld brought a tear to my eye."
:laughing:
Ah, cant wait to see it. :)
"The jury was not a French jury. This was an international jury dominated by Americans," he said.
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Angered by the way Americans had reacted against the French over its resistance to the conflict in Iraq, he said: "We owe the people of this country an apology for the way they were debased in our media."
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And then he proudly quoted what cult director Quentin Tarantino (news) -- the Cannes jury president -- had told him.
"He said: \'We want you to know that the politics of your film had nothing to do with the award. You were given the award because you made a great film."\'
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Aked what he thought Bush\'s reaction might be to the award, he told a packed news conference: "He is probably choking on a pretzel or something. I hope nobody tells him that I have won this award while he is eating a pretzel."
What is he in the 3rd grade? When you talk like this you lose credibility. Moore is still an idiot and will die an idiot.
Not slamming people against Bush, I\'m glad to see a political documentary made.. I plan to rent this film as I did BFC.
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It\'s called a "joke." It makes you laugh. It doesn\'t undermine one\'s credibility unless the person hearing it has no sense of humor.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
It\'s called a "joke." It makes you laugh. It doesn\'t undermine one\'s credibility unless the person hearing it has no sense of humor.
Wrong
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alot of homosexuals frequent the cannes film festival
no wonder michael moore won again
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You people are allowed to nurse your hate-on for Michael Moore if you wish (even when many of you have never bothered to watch his films), but blaming every thing you don\'t like on "homosexuals" is remarkably narrow minded.
Perhaps you\'d be happier under a Nazi dictatorship somewhere, mm? You\'ve already stated your appreciation for Hitler\'s oratory skills... :laughing:
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There is no doubt that Hitler was a leader and motivated people, like few others. Not saying what he done was right..but...I don\'t think you can deny my above statement.
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Originally posted by mm
alot of homosexuals frequent the cannes film festival
Do they ?
Then where is my God Dman Free Ticket To Go :mad:.... ;)
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You people are allowed to nurse your hate-on for Michael Moore if you wish (even when many of you have never bothered to watch his films), but blaming every thing you don\'t like on "homosexuals" is remarkably narrow minded.
Perhaps you\'d be happier under a Nazi dictatorship somewhere, mm? You\'ve already stated that you appreciation for Hitler\'s oratory skills... :laughing:
Violating Goodwin\'s Law : http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
Goodwin\'s Law of Usenet
Professor Goodwin, U of I, in 1981 made the observation that Usenet discussions gravitate downhill.
He postulated that as the length of a discussion thread grows, the probability approaches one (1) that one participant will introduce the terms "Hitler" or "Nazi".
The custom has evolved that the first party to utter "Hitler" or "Nazi" has lost the discussion, and the thread terminates.
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Go here: http://www.petitiononline.com/rd3p123m/petition.html
To: Michael Moore
This petition is addressed to Michael Moore
We, the undersigned, hereby request that Mr. Michael Moore release his new film, Fahrenheit 9/11, FREE OF CHARGE on the internet before its theatrical release.
Moore’s critics argue that he is no different from the businesses he derides such as Halliburton that are, in Moore’s own words, “War Profiteers”. We challenge Mr. Moore to prove his critics wrong, and to prove that the message of his new film takes precedence over his personal profits.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
Free food tastes the best. :)
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"Political watchers say the famously left-wing Moore, whose film depicts the president as bungling and explores the ties between the Bush and the Bin Laden families, will be preaching to the converted."
Really - I don\'t see what the fuss is about.
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Preaching to the choir, yes; but also to a large number of people who are disinterested in politics and don\'t normally vote.
Hardcore conservatives won\'t bother to see it because they are not interested in seeing their views challenged or considering any alternate perspectives.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Violating Goodwin\'s Law : http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
Where\'s the law regarding mentioning "homosexuals" for no apparent reason?
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Preaching to the choir, yes; but also to a large number of people who are disinterested in politics and don\'t normally vote.
Hardcore conservatives won\'t bother to see it because they are not interested in seeing their views challenged or considering any alternate perspectives.
Yes, I have heard... we are narrowminded. :rolleyes:
Seriously though, this movie won\'t make anyone who isn\'t interested in politics go out and vote. For one - they won\'t watch this movie if they aren\'t interested in it.
Also give me a budget and I can make an 8 degrees of separation film connecting luckee to Nathan Bedford Forrest. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Where\'s the law regarding mentioning "homosexuals" for no apparent reason?
Put it this way....you\'re from California. It doesn\'t mean you\'re a homosexual....but there\'s a greater chance you\'re a left winged socialist pinko. ;) Why it was mentioned by mm? I don\'t know. It\'s possible that he\'s insinuating that Michael Moore\'s butt is looked kindly upon by homosexuals....hence why he won a "one time only" award. :D
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Seriously though, this movie won\'t make anyone who isn\'t interested in politics go out and vote. For one - they won\'t watch this movie if they aren\'t interested in it.
Also give me a budget and I can make an 8 degrees of separation film connecting luckee to Nathan Bedford Forrest. :rolleyes:
I think you don\'t have to be interested in politics to be interested in Michael Moore\'s movies. They are funny and entertaining in addition to being educational. Therefore, it may make nonvoters watch, and it may make them vote. Believe what you want to believe.
BTW regarding your hypothetical film, I\'d like to see it. I think conservatives are also a little bitter that they don\'t have their own world renowned documentary filmmaker.
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IMO Michael Moore is an idiot, and he disgraces such a fine first name if there ever was one. Like everyone has said he\'s no better than any of these politicians who are just out there for the cash, you figure he\'d clean his fat ass up too.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I think you don\'t have to be interested in politics to be interested in Michael Moore\'s movies. They are funny and entertaining in addition to being educational. Therefore, it may make nonvoters watch, and it may make them vote. Believe what you want to believe.
BTW regarding your hypothetical film, I\'d like to see it. I think conservatives are also a little bitter that they don\'t have their own world renowned documentary filmmaker.
Sort of like how liberals are bitter that they don\'t have a successful radio talk show? ;)
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Originally posted by mjps21983
IMO Michael Moore is an idiot, and he disgraces such a fine first name if there ever was one. Like everyone has said he\'s no better than any of these politicians who are just out there for the cash, you figure he\'d clean his fat ass up too.
Maybe he hasn\'t seen Super Size Me yet. ;)
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I heard that\'s a good movie!
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/127ujhuf.asp
Cord\'s gonna hate me for this. :p
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But don\'t you see Gman, everything Michael Moore says is 100 percent true if you are a liberal and/or anti Bush. Fortunately most here in the US know what a fraud he is.
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Well, I think the anti-Bush people need someone to rally them. Michael Moore, the great spin doctor, is their Wizard of Oz. But I know he\'s a fake. :)
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Like his campaign commercials? I havent seen a single pro-bush commercial that didnt resort to mudslinging.
Bush doesnt need much help in the dirty finger war as he is more than capable. Not to mention JFK will probably hurt himself anyway.
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http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040529150209990001
PHILADELPHIA (May 29) - In an unused interview shot for Michael Moore\'s latest film, the American who was beheaded in Iraq said he was concerned about security there as he prepared to seek work as an independent businessman, his family said Saturday.
Moore\'s crew shot the 16-minute interview with Nicholas Berg during an Iraqi business conference in Arlington, Va., on Dec. 4, said his brother, David Berg.
Nicholas Berg\'s decapitated body was found in Baghdad on May 8, and a video of his killing was posted on an Islamic militant Web site several days later.
Moore confirmed Thursday that he had footage of Berg - shot for his film "Fahrenheit 9/11," which is critical of President Bush - but said he would share it only with the family.
Moore sent copies of the footage to David Berg in New Jersey and sister Sara Berg in Virginia. Their parents will see the video after returning to their suburban home from vacation, David Berg said.
Sara Berg said her brother told Moore\'s crew he was nervous about his safety in Iraq.
"He recognized it was a concern, and he kind of pointed out that he\'d worked in difficult situations before," Sara Berg said from her home in Virginia. "It\'s definitely something that he didn\'t shrug off."
She said her brother seemed enthusiastic in the footage.
David Berg, speaking from his home outside Newark, N.J., said it was "weird seeing Nick talk," but described the interview footage as dry.
The interview, which was not conducted by Moore, centered on the technical work Berg hoped to find repairing radio transmission towers for his company, Prometheus Methods Tower Service. Berg, 26 when he died, also talks about humanitarian work he did in Uganda and Kenya.
"Nick seemed to be fairly conscious of using this thing to promote his business," David Berg said. "(The interviewer) does ask him at one point about the money and he said no one\'s denying there\'s money to be made. But it\'s very clear when you watch it, Nick knew he wasn\'t going to make a lot of money."
Moore said he had considered using some of the footage in his film but it got edited out, David Berg said. Some of Moore\'s staffers cried when they heard about Berg\'s death, the filmmaker told David Berg.
"Fahrenheit 9/11," which recently won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival, accuses the Bush administration of stealing the 2000 election, overlooking terrorism warnings before Sept. 11, 2001, and fanning fears of more attacks to secure American support for the Iraq war.
Given Moore\'s political leanings, David Berg said he was "really nervous" about what the footage of his brother might show. His brother wasn\'t overtly political, he said.
"He went to Iraq because he had certain beliefs about helping people in messed up situations, but it\'s not like he was trying to help the Bush administration," David Berg said.
David Berg said Moore handled the situation with "dignity, respect and discipline."
"Michael Moore has really been a total class act with this whole thing," David Berg said. "He could have sold this to the media or stuck it in his movie."
Sara Berg said she saw the video footage as a "gift."
05/29/04 15:00 EDT
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i\'m mos definitely goin to check it out just out of curiosity...on another note i haven\'t really heard anything related on the news about what you posted about berg (luckee) i\'m referring to how that cat had connects with mouasoui (spell) from the world trade ctr...that was very interesting..if they did report it on the news i must\'ve missed it....
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/127ujhuf.asp
Cord\'s gonna hate me for this. :p
I didn\'t bother to post anything on this until Michael Moore issued his own response. I\'ve never considered Freddy Barnes a very insightful individual, nor do I automatically trust everything he says. In fact I don\'t automatically trust anyone, including Michael Moore. I consider this dispute unresolved. However, if you want to reflexively assume that Moore is the one who is lying about it, then go ahead.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=19May 31st, 2004 12:29 pm
WACKO ATTACKO #2 – FRED BARNES FLUNKS – AGAIN!
On January 18, 1988, I published an interview with Fred Barnes in a publication which I edited at the time, called Moore’s Weekly. I interviewed Mr. Barnes about his comments on the January 2, 1988 edition of “The McLaughlin Report,” in which he expressed support for then Secretary of the Education William Bennett’s theory that high school curriculum should be dominated by courses in classic Greek and English literature.
I asked Fred to share his views about two well-known classics, “the Iliad” by Homer and Dante’s Inferno. Barnes reiterated to me that these books are “what everybody oughta learn. They’re easy to read.”
In the course of my interview, I decided to give him a pop quiz. As you can see, Fred didn’t do so well. (View Moore\'s Weekly page one and page two, and the full column on Barnes here.)
The conservative paper, The Washington Times, liked my interview with Mr. Barnes and the paper wrote about it in their January 22, 1988 “Inside the Beltway” column (you can see it here). The Washington Times is the kind of paper Fred Barnes probably reads before he gets out of bed in the morning.
Fred Barnes did not complain when I published the interview with him 16-years-ago. He did not complain when the Washington Times article appeared in 1988. It was not until April 2002, when Stupid White Men came out, which recounted the Mr. Barnes interview, that Fox’s Brit Hume reported, “Fred Barnes told me today that he never talked to Moore in his life, and that he has read both ‘The Odyssey’ and ‘The Iliad’ cover to cover in college.”
Now that that my movie Fahrenheit 9-11 is receiving significant attention, Mr. Barnes has seen fit to publicly deny the whole thing again, even though I last referenced the interview in a book published two years ago.
Now, the cynically-inclined might say that Mr. Barnes, who has steadily faded into obscurity as an editor of a small circulation weekly, is trying to take advantage of the moment. I prefer to give Mr. Barnes the benefit of the doubt and credit his belated complaint to a fading memory. We all forget things sometimes, Fred. No hard feelings here.
Michael Moore
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The thing is with Michael Moore, he has little credibility. There are more credible liberals out there where I don\'t have to check nearly every damn thing they say. No hard feelings, Michael....but you suck.
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michaelmoore.com? is that a valid source? ;)
You two are debating the credibility of Michael Moore and quoting Mr. Moore from his own website is hardly an objective source. I really wanted to stop reading after the title...
"WACKO ATTACKO #2 – FRED BARNES FLUNKS – AGAIN!"
Sounds a bit reactionary to me.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
The thing is with Michael Moore, he has little credibility. There are more credible liberals out there where I don\'t have to check nearly every damn thing they say. No hard feelings, Michael....but you suck.
He only lacks credibility in your mind. Conservatives don\'t like what he\'s saying so they endlessly nitpick every word in his books and every scene from his movies. Nevermind the fact that he has a staff of researchers checking every fact he prints before it\'s released to the public. Also nevermind that every attack against him is refuted thereafter. Those who don\'t like what he\'s saying ignore the response, and just focus on the attacks. I guess it\'s easier to remember what he was accused of, and just assume it\'s all true...
...especially for those who haven\'t bothered to see his films or read his books.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
michaelmoore.com? is that a valid source? ;)
What Fred Barnes claimed came out of his own mouth as well. It is essentially a dispute between two individuals, so in a way it\'s not worthy of discussion. There is no more valid source than the two individuals\' personal accounts. Until the FBI produces a tape recording of the supposed telephone conversation, I doubt there will be any further evidence forthcoming.
My point is that there are no grounds to assume that Freddy Barnes is correct, OR that Michael Moore is correct.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
What Fred Barnes claimed came out of his own mouth as well. It is essentially a dispute between two individuals, so in a way it\'s not worthy of discussion. There is no more valid source than the two individuals\' personal accounts. Until the FBI produces a tape recording of the supposed telephone conversation, I doubt there will be any further evidence forthcoming.
My point is that there are no grounds to assume that Freddy Barnes is correct, OR that Michael Moore is correct.
I agree... both have different sides to their stories. Who to believe... that depends on who you like or dislike. Though, I think other sources have proved that Moore does tend to stretch the truth quite a bit in regards to his sensationalist "documentries".
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Originally posted by Coredweller
He only lacks credibility in your mind. Conservatives don\'t like what he\'s saying so they endlessly nitpick every word in his books and every scene from his movies. Nevermind the fact that he has a staff of researchers checking every fact he prints before it\'s released to the public. Also nevermind that every attack against him is refuted thereafter. Those who don\'t like what he\'s saying ignore the response, and just focus on the attacks. I guess it\'s easier to remember what he was accused of, and just assume it\'s all true...
...especially for those who haven\'t bothered to see his films or read his books.
I don\'t think you seem to understand. The way he edited Bowling were half truths and who knows what else. I don\'t need to stick my finger in feces to know if it\'s feces.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
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Family portrait of yours?
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I thought it was you and your brothers.
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Originally posted by luckee
I thought it was you and your brothers.
The first chimp looks like your mother.
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Well I have had enough of the insulting for one day - Gman. Thread closed.