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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Evi on May 31, 2004, 08:47:08 PM
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After Sony\'s somewhat obscure comments at their E3 conference (http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?subsectionid=1585&articleid=30166&pagetypeid=2) regarding their forthcoming Cell processor - which will be used to power PlayStation 3 - Sony chairman Nonuyuki Idei has revealed more of their plans for the chip. And he\'s confirmed that their first consumer application for it is going to be PS3, which now looks set to appear in March 2006.
"We\'ll first focus on developing a successor console to the PlayStation 2," he says. "But incorporating the Cell chip into TVs will give us greater control in adding functions, so we\'ll concurrently pursue the development of a new game console and the incorporation of the chip into TVs. It just means that demand for TVs with computer-like functions is starting to emerge and we are going to meet such demand."
So what "computer-like functions" will those be, then? We\'d imagine that we\'ll see Sony\'s next-gen TVs have built-in PSX-like capabilities that will enable them to play games, connect to the net, and store and play MP3s, movies and music. In addition, don\'t be surprised if the PSP\'s wi-fi function will enable you use it as a remote control for your Sony home entertainment set-up.
Trial production of the Cell processor itself has already started and the first prototype of a Cell-based workstation is due to be ready by the end of the year. With Sony having announced that they plan to start shifting Cell-based products in March 2006, and with PS3 being Sony\'s priority for the chip, it appears that this could well be the planned release date for PS3.
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Seems they\'re just feeding investors hype of more sony domination in the consumer electronics market. Everyone else wants to know what it will do.
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all i have to say is if this thing is comin out in 2006 it better be more powerful than xbox2 as i understand that xbox2 will be debuting in 2005...the sony hype won\'t save it this time if it doesn\'t put forth a mchine that can rival microsoft\'s..we all know that the hype is contributed to a part of the dreamcats demise and honestly dreamcast had games that were lookin better than sony\'s machine..
i\'m not a graphics whore but sony\'s machine has to be better,..graphic wise & performance wise,.. we all know microsofts machine has a solid hold the market and is here to stay so hype imo is not gonna stop people from buyin the box when it\'s released..make that thing easy to program for & make it better in all aspects than the box especially if it\'s comin out a year later and they should be okay...
one last note* i just wanted to say to those that don\'t care about graphics..you do! it\'s not the most important,..but we all look forward to the next gen. to see how the new games are going to look...there\'s no way any of us would buy a new gen console if it had the same graphic capabilities on it..damn this turned into a little rant...
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oh please. the demise of the DC , especially in Europe, was Sega\'s own damn fault. Sega started screwing up for the loyal
European Sega fan since Megadrive 32X. they lost alot of goodwill
by only themselves.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
oh please. the demise of the DC , especially in Europe, was Sega\'s own damn fault. Sega started screwing up for the loyal
European Sega fan since Megadrive 32X. they lost alot of goodwill
by only themselves.
i don\'t know what went down in europe but like i said..the sony hype was a part of the dreamcast demise...sega made some silly decisions which ultimately spelled their doom...
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Sony has nothing to worry about, it\'s a pretty safe bet that some of the 60+ million owners of PS2 will upgrade. People aren\'t going to shy away from the strong franchises Sony has built.
This isn\'t to say MS won\'t be able to convert some though. Xbox Live has been a success and chances are they will continue to improve upon it, MS has finally started in house development in Japan, XNA seems to be causing some buzz, and the third party support will continue to grow. Last I read MS does plan to have a six to nine month lead on the PS3 and alot can happen in that amount of time given the right circumstances...a kick ass line-up of games and a competitive price could do some good things.
About the DC, Sega made some very good decisions about the Dreamcast that made it such a success. The DC was selling quite well, in fact there was a point where they couldn\'t keep them on the shelves. The announcement of the PS2 only slowed it down a little bit. It wasn\'t until the PS2 was released in Japan that the DC came to a halt. If you remember, DVD wasn\'t very accessible in Japan. The fact that PS2 had a built in DVD player is what sold it there, people didn\'t care about the games, Matrix was THE best seller for the system.
There was nothing Sega could do afterwards in Japan. The American market was a bit different, it did well but the lack of some key third party support is what hurt it.
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it dont really matter anyway. most ppl at the end will have both system since most gamer will want to play exclusive for MS or exclusive for sony. they are only 400$ gaming machine, with tousand features.
People pay 500$ just to have a PC videocard.
2 system, over 2 year is not much for most people.
I paid my PS2 470$ CA the day it came out, and today i feel that this 470 was well invested :)
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I\'ll definitely be anticipating its arrival and its games.
On a slight tangent, this 2006 debut might sway SquarEnix to switch over the Xbox, as one of their spokesmen alluded to recently.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
oh please. the demise of the DC , especially in Europe, was Sega\'s own damn fault. Sega started screwing up for the loyal European Sega fan since Megadrive 32X. they lost alot of goodwill
by only themselves.
Thats bullshit. I was working in one of the busiest gaming stores in the south east region when the DC was launched and all the way up to the launch of the PS2. There were SO many people who looked at the DC and wanted to buy on but wouldn\'t because they knew the PS2 was coming. What consoles do in Europe affects no one. The DC/GCN/PS2/Xbox could ignore Europe all together and be fine. They make their money in North America and Japan.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I\'ll definitely be anticipating its arrival and its games.
On a slight tangent, this 2006 debut might sway SquarEnix to switch over the Xbox, as one of their spokesmen alluded to recently.
I doubt they\'d switch as they are concerned with installed user base more than anything. There\'s no guessing with PS3.
However, if MS can pull their shit together and have a strong launch then maybe Square would consider going multiplatform. FF:CC doesn\'t count...such a disappointment.
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The thing about game system they all are powerful none all that more powerful than the other. The this console is more powerful than that console is just fanboy bs.
Xbox came out after ps2 and the graphics are not all that compared to out dated ps2 technology. So as I say graphics are always simular the games matter.
Only way you will see a huge graphical difference is system if ps2 launches at least 2 years after xbox2
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The thing about game system they all are powerful none all that more powerful than the other. The this console is more powerful than that console is just fanboy bs.
Xbox came out after ps2 and the graphics are not all that compared to out dated ps2 technology. So as I say graphics are always simular the games matter.
Only way you will see a huge graphical difference is system if ps2 launches at least 2 years after xbox2
tru but what i\'m sayin is this..ps2 came out after the dreamcast & the graphics did not blow it away...some games on dreamcast looked better than sony\'s machine..who\'s to say if the dreamcast was still around how it\'s graphics over the years would\'ve looked?
all i\'m sayin is sony can\'t release a machine after xbox2 with graphics that are about the same then say you have work to get to it\'s potential..it should come right outta the door with it\'s graphics lookin better...
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I really don\'t think graphics are gonna make much of a difference this time around. All three consoles will be able to make visually stunning games...it will come down to the game line up and right now there\'s no telling who will be the first to win over consumers. MS and Nintendo both want out before Sony...it might get interesting.
With such a small window of less than a year don\'t expect the consoles to greatly differ in power. PS2 was released a full 17 months(I think) after DC (Japan) which would give it the upper hand in the long run even though it didn\'t need it.
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I think sony was dominating this generation untill both consoles went online. Xbox picked up most of its momentum with xbox live being such a great system.
I think Xbox and Sony will be head to head when they both release new consoles.
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Originally posted by Ginko
I really don\'t think graphics are gonna make much of a difference this time around. All three consoles will be able to make visually stunning games...it will come down to the game line up and right now there\'s no telling who will be the first to win over consumers. MS and Nintendo both want out before Sony...it might get interesting.
With such a small window of less than a year don\'t expect the consoles to greatly differ in power. PS2 was released a full 17 months(I think) after DC (Japan) which would give it the upper hand in the long run even though it didn\'t need it.
If thats the case PS3 is bound to fail.XBOX2 will come sooner, gaining consumers, third pary support (since fame companies can sell games on a released console) and games whil PS3 will be left behind.
Consumers that will wait for PS3 becuase of better expecations will be dissapointed and purchase an XBOX2 instead which will have the games, support and similar graphics.
PS2 managed to beat DC because of people\'s expecations and lets face it.TTT was better looking than any other fighting game on the DC and RRV was looking better than every racing game on the DC except MSR.
Also another aspect was the DVD playback as mentioned earlier.
So what will make PS3 attractive enough to keep paople\'s attention away from XBOX2 this time
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I hate everything Microsoft, so they don\'t have to worry about me...
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Unicron,
don\'t forget another big thing about ps2, its backward compatible with psOne games.
My guess about the PS3,
it will be backward with ps2 and psxOne with better graphic and speed increase.
Because most ps2 games run at 640 x 480, with ps3 mouthful memories, you can display the resolution in High Def, say 1280 x 960 (or 1280 x 1024), 1600 x 1200, and even widescreen 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080p. its also can help reduce load times too.
The same can be said about PSOne, with 3-D games running at such a low resolution (about 320 x 240) will be benefit when display in much higher resolution like a computer. I see how much sharper and cleaner when FFVII, pc version was display in high resolution on computer monitors compare to PSOne.
Remember back in early 1990s, both Sega and Nintendo have their moments. Both were winners.
You guys think that could be possible with XBOX-2 and PS3?
I like competition because with competition, we see price drops on consoles as they try to compete each other. With competition, we have improvement and stuff.
Because of this, I think I may buy both XBOX2 and PS3. Depends though. Since I haven\'t own any XBOX yet, but I was amaze at its graphic performance compare to GameCube whose released at about the same time.
Oh, screw PSP and DS, its just me. I won\'t be carrying and playing portable anytime soon.
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True I ommited that part
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I hate everything Microsoft, so they don\'t have to worry about me...
I agree, it\'s much better to be one of Sony\'s mindless sheep, as opposed to Microsofts..
Oh and for the record - out of all these posts, only two people actually had a clue....
Ginko
Black Samurai.
The rest is useless dribble.
:)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I agree, it\'s much better to be one of Sony\'s mindless sheep, as opposed to Microsofts..
Oh and for the record - out of all these posts, only two people actually had a clue....
Ginko
Black Samurai.
The rest is useless dribble.
:)
Oh shuddaaaap! What I said was informative and revelating! In fact, the dark skies parted when I started typing. Blue Birds of Happiness is now all around coz of me.
Xbox2 sux. :p
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Originally posted by Unicron!
If thats the case PS3 is bound to fail.XBOX2 will come sooner, gaining consumers, third pary support (since fame companies can sell games on a released console) and games whil PS3 will be left behind.
Consumers that will wait for PS3 becuase of better expecations will be dissapointed and purchase an XBOX2 instead which will have the games, support and similar graphics.
Read this...
...it will come down to the game line up and right now there\'s no telling who will be the first to win over consumers...
-Ginko
There is no doubt in my mind that PS3 will have a loyal following from the two previous consoles. It has some strong franchises and has the most third party support. This isn\'t going to change much and PS3 will be a success.
What I\'m suggesting is that Xbox is aiming for the same market and it\'s obvious that MS has gained some interest from consumers and developers. Xbox2 will probably be out first and if all goes well with the launch then they MIGHT be able to persuade some people to switch over instead of waiting for the PS3.
As I said earlier, it depends on the games. If Xbox 2 has a strong line-up with a drop dead gorgeous price then why wait?
My point: PS3 sales might be up for grabs. It depends how MS handles the time they have before PS3.
PS2 managed to beat DC because of people\'s expecations and lets face it.TTT was better looking than any other fighting game on the DC and RRV was looking better than every racing game on the DC except MSR.
Yes it did, Sony did everything right with PS and gained a huge user base. People don\'t just forget where they can find the games.
About TTT, depends who you ask. IMO, Soul Cally was more aesthetically pleasing.
Also another aspect was the DVD playback as mentioned earlier. So what will make PS3 attractive enough to keep paople\'s attention away from XBOX2 this time
It will come down to the most attractive console. (Price, graphics, games, image)
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I agree, it\'s much better to be one of Sony\'s mindless sheep, as opposed to Microsofts..
Oh and for the record - out of all these posts, only two people actually had a clue....
Ginko
Black Samurai.
The rest is useless dribble.
good thing you know you are part of the useless dribble !
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Originally posted by Ginko
Read this...
There is no doubt in my mind that PS3 will have a loyal following from the two previous consoles. It has some strong franchises and has the most third party support. This isn\'t going to change much and PS3 will be a success.
What I\'m suggesting is that Xbox is aiming for the same market and it\'s obvious that MS has gained some interest from consumers and developers. Xbox2 will probably be out first and if all goes well with the launch then they MIGHT be able to persuade some people to switch over instead of waiting for the PS3.
As I said earlier, it depends on the games. If Xbox 2 has a strong line-up with a drop dead gorgeous price then why wait?
My point: PS3 sales might be up for grabs. It depends how MS handles the time they have before PS3.
Well the Saturn and Nintendo have had hardcore followers for years and had released 3 consoles in a row.People\'s minds change if things arent done right.
I agree with all you said though.it concerns me the fact that there is a huge lag between PS3\'s release and XBOX3\'s release.Developers show increased interest especially after XNA.MS is already gaining trust from developers.And developers will want to sell products since revenues are needed.Consumers might wait for PS3.Developers cant wait even if they want to.So that could mean an increasing support till PS3 is released.
How many and what games can the PS3 have in launch to show the quality difference remains to be seen.
Ofcourse as you said it depends on how they play their cards.I am sure Sony is making prognosis and estimations on problems and difficulties these time line between the releases of the consoles they will have to face and they are calculating the right actions to take.
Yes it did, Sony did everything right with PS and gained a huge user base. People don\'t just forget where they can find the games.
About TTT, depends who you ask. IMO, Soul Cally was more aesthetically pleasing.
heh true.But probably the years when it was just PS2 and DC it was probably the strongest "graphics whore" period.It was like "oh my f*cking god, toy story graphics". "PS2 WILL KILL DC" "Did you see the demos" "OMG HOW MANY MILLION POLYGONS?"
Technical aspects were discussed as much as never before because people expected to see the huge deifference seen between 16 bit console\'s and 32 bit consoles.
They didnt give much attention to the creative part of the graphics.Only to the technical."Did you see that?Wow!That stage with the grass....have you seen anything like that on the DC?" "Man that reflection looks damn gorgeous" "look how the wood shines in Jin\'s stage" "The lighting effects are like nothing seen in a DC game" etc.
It will come down to the most attractive console. (Price, graphics, games, image) [/B]
I see a more pricy PS3 with less games and.....not so much better graphics. :p
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Time will tell. :bounce:
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Thats bullshit. What consoles do in Europe affects no one. The DC/GCN/PS2/Xbox could ignore Europe all together and be fine. They make their money in North America and Japan.
FALSE . Europe DOES matter a great deal in the gaming market. !. Damn USA arrogance. End of discussion.
Anyway, my point was ; there are still alot of ppl who were Sega fans back then, and still blame the rise of PS2 for about 100 % for DC\'s fall. That\'s plain wrong ! That is the outside projection of their own hurt fanboy feelings inflicted by Sega itself. Certainly here in Europe the fall of Sega is due SEga itself. PS2 hype was about nil and it even launched way later then USA PS2. Instead of regaining status, Sega\'s lackluster policy screwed it\'s fanbase , of which i was part, over once more.
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I dont see sony losing any potential customers. Im sure that, close to, 90% of the people that puchased a PS2 will also purchase a PS3 just because. If anything, like it has already been mentioned, people will purchase both machines.
As for square Enix switching to Xbox - I will be one very upset individual if it were to happen.
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I dont see sony losing any potential customers. Im sure that, close to, 90% of the people that puchased a PS2 will also purchase a PS3 just because. If anything, like it has already been mentioned, people will purchase both machines.
Well, Sony and MS are aiming for the same demographic. MS seems to be picking up more support. EA finally signing on is a big deal and it might encourage more developers in the future.
People will go where the games are. PS One did it to Sega and Nintendo...all it takes are the right circumstances.
As for square Enix switching to Xbox - I will be one very upset individual if it were to happen.
Square is only interested in the most popular console, they have no loyalty otherwise. They proved that when they left Nintendo.
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I wouldnt like it at all if japanese developers start supporting MS more.And it has nothing to do with Sony fanboism.I prefer seeing japanese developers supporting Nintendo or Sony prpducts.If they switch to MS forget console gaming as you know it.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I wouldnt like it at all if japanese developers start supporting MS more.And it has nothing to do with Sony fanboism.I prefer seeing japanese developers supporting Nintendo or Sony prpducts.If they switch to MS forget console gaming as you know it.
Just to let you know, that post may be one of the dumbest in recent forum history. It made no sense what so ever.
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I will never think of Xbox as a gaming console...
People always bragging about the better graphics...but the framerate is sh*t. That has nothing to do with the last thing I said...but anything that is as large as the Xbox can\'t be called a console...:rolleyes: :D
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Since there are more talks about ps3 versus xbox2. Does that means Nintendo Next Generation is dying out? Who here thinks Nintendo is going 3rd party like Sega on their next generation console?
ADD: Maybe we should do a poll.
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Nintendo\'s next gen console is rumored to be codenamed "Revolution."
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The name "Revolution" is even gayer than "Dolphin"...
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Nintendo is just staying as tight lipped as they\'ve always been. The only information they have released is that it will have a new way to play/experience games, hence the "Revolution". Also that they would like to be the first out the door which would put them in mid-late 2005 if they plan to beat out both MS and Sony. I\'d have to find the interview but I remember them stating they will be out before PS3 and try to beat Xbox 2.
I\'m skeptical because it\'s Nintendo, they don\'t know what deadlines are. It\'s also kind of funny that Nintendo would go ahead and release the new Zelda in 2005 when it would probably make more sense to have it as a killer app on the next system.
Nintendo needs to shake the kiddie image, seriously. Designing the next console as something other than a purple lunchbox would be a damn good start.;)
Edit: "N5" is also being thrown around as a codename.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I will never think of Xbox as a gaming console...
People always bragging about the better graphics...but the framerate is sh*t. That has nothing to do with the last thing I said...but anything that is as large as the Xbox can\'t be called a console...:rolleyes: :D
Right and every Sony game has a perfect framerate.
Give it a break. The Xbox is as much a console as the next system.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Just to let you know, that post may be one of the dumbest in recent forum history. It made no sense what so ever.
There is a certain line that keeps console gaming and PC gaming separate and thats what makes the console gaming industry different and thats what makes it a different experience. :rolleyes:
if you want that line corssed then fine.I dont care if you didnt understand what I said.I am bored to explain.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
There is a certain line that keeps console gaming and PC gaming separate and thats what makes the console gaming industry different and thats what makes it a different experience. :rolleyes:
if you want that line corssed then fine.I dont care if you didnt understand what I said.I am bored to explain.
I\'d also like to know what your arguement is for this, but if you don\'t care to explain that\'s cool too.
Just to let you know, J Allard expressed his belief that consoles and pc are different and should be treated as such.
When Xbox starts running MS Office then we\'ll start calling it a PC. At the moment all it does is play games. I believe "console" is appropriate.
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let\'s see the xbox only plays games, comes with a controller, hooks up to a TV not a monitor... it\'s definitely a PC. :clown:
Not sure why but the words new Nintendo console get me excited. They are saying it will offer a different experience from any other console available. link (http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media/1085839706.html)
Nintendo has given its next home console the codename of “Revolution.” But officials at the company are not viewing the device as a successor to the GameCube. “This won\'t be a continuation, but rather something entirely different,” stated senior managing director Yoshiro Mori at a recent analyst’s meeting.
At this year’s E3, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata dropped a few hints on “Revolution,” saying that, “The time when horsepower alone made a difference is over,” and that, “Simply beefing up graphics is not enough.” Nintendo has raised research and development spending in its current fiscal year to 20.0 billion yen (approximately $180.0 million U.S.), an increase of more than 25.0 percent from the previous year.
I\'m gonna keep a positive outlook for Nintendo, just because they put gaming first and foremost. I hope they will always be a competitor or just even serve a niche market in the now billiion dollar, major corporation gaming industry.
Oh and whatever the Revolution will be it should just display one color; red.
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I guess Ninja Gaiden was a PC type game, right? Honestly - I wonder why some people even bother with the thought process.
And Nintendo will not beat MS out the door. They don\'t know what a deadline is.
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if a huge part of gaming development shifts to PC architecture and PC tool programming then console to PC ports will be a bigger phenomenon with less PC to console ports.More perfect console ports and less not perfect PC ports on consoles will mean that the position consoles used to have previously will weaken.
Developers will sure want their succesful console games ported with low costs on PCs.Its the many console only titles that have a certain quality and style that keep consumers interested on consoles.
Its easy to see whats happening just by reading the threads: "Pfff....you want the best version?buy the PC one"
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Oh and whatever the Revolution will be it should just display one color; red. [/B]
Red?What is this the russian revolution? :p
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was referrng to the Virtual Boy u n0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000b
:p
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oooooohhhhh Now I get it :p
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Its easy to see whats happening just by reading the threads: "Pfff....you want the best version?buy the PC one"
I have yet to buy a PC game over it\'s console counterpart (with one exception). I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again...I don\'t like PC\'s for games. Roller Coaster Tycoon is the only game I\'ve bought for my PC in years and that\'s because my Xbox is broken.
I will always prefer to sit on my couch or floor with a controller in my hand while playing a game.
Also, PC\'s cost money to upgrade and play the latest games. With a console you\'re set for the life of the system.
If anything, isn\'t it PS3 that\'s claiming to be an all-in-one media device? I could be mistaken...
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I prefer consoles more than PCs as well.Our personal preferences dont say anything.
Its the general behaviour of the market you should see.
When games become attractive on PCs more than consoles because of better "quality" and becuase most console games are released for PCs, console gaming industry will change.Developers would shift their work wherever they can satisfy most demand and where they can give the best.
Extra features, all in one media etc are completely irrelevant.
I am only refering to PC and Console gaming industry.
As you said with a console you\'re set for the life of the system.But why was that?The consoles offered their own style, their own exlusive games.Console gaming industry is not exactly the same as PC gaming industry.And seeing both industries becoming more alike is sonmething I wouldnt want to see.
If they are developing on PC architecture and progarmming tools (irrelevant if PCs generally offer other things) on console, technically developing on console or PC they are developing on the same platform.So a port will definetely be an easy and sure thing.Practically there is no such thing as porting or cost of porting.Companies exploit whatever chance they have for that extra income.They dont care as much about the things we care as gamers
Console gaming will seem outdated, and not as interesting.Same games appearing on both platforms, which will look better on PCs.Developers wouldnt show as much interest as befoire to exploit the extra untapped power left in consoles.
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^ True. But I think the next generation of gaming (in general) will bring a change of a different kind than mere visual splendor over the former hardware.
Moreso than ever, I guess the \'war\' will be \'fought\' on developers\' side than on consumer end (the gamers :p ).
That\'s why I think that the PC will gain back alot of base when it comes to games. As gamedevelopment gets more complex, the majority of dev studio\'s will want to avoid increasing development time and financial complexity.
It\'s imho also a sign on the wall that Nintendo has been trying to innovate again and again through means of new hardware, not really the software.
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If that\'s the way it\'s moving then that\'s where it\'s going to go. Your scenario will not happen this up coming generation so for the time being this arguement is as irrelevant as our preferences.;)
PC\'s would have to drastically lower in price to become more accessible before people would overlook console\'s as a viable alternative.
Mobility also comes into question, you don\'t see people carrying their PC\'s from room to room. Also, online gaming might become more and more popular but it will never be the same as having your friends sitting in the same room with you.
For now, there will be a seperation of console and PC. I\'m not sure where things are headed but I don\'t think a 20 billion dollar industry is just going to up and go away anytime soon.
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Will the nextBox be FLAT and SMALLER? The only thing holding me back from getting the Xbox now is that you can\'t stack a PS2 or GC on top of it\'s clunky design. Believe it or not, I betch more people would buy an Xbox if it was more streamlined.
I wonder if the PS3 will be be smaller. I wish the PS2 would miniturize yet keep the same size CD, like the PSOne did for the PSX.
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Originally posted by Ginko
If that\'s the way it\'s moving then that\'s where it\'s going to go. Your scenario will not happen this up coming generation so for the time being this arguement is as irrelevant as our preferences.;)
PC\'s would have to drastically lower in price to become more accessible before people would overlook console\'s as a viable alternative.
Almost every household has a PC.Also PCs arent seen as gaming platforms becuase certain popular games are exlcusive for consoles.If these games are starting to define PC gaming then its bound to change.Console\'s arent overlooked but might be in teh future.
When its going to happen I dont know.The thing is...it shouldnt happen at all.It will be the starting point of that change.
Mobility also comes into question, you don\'t see people carrying their PC\'s from room to room. Also, online gaming might become more and more popular but it will never be the same as having your friends sitting in the same room with you.
well...online gaming has evolved on PCs for years.It only started with console\'s.And again people prefer their PCs.Also long distance gaming seems to be replacing in a very great degree the two or more player game with your friends at home.And as I said, if developers see more profitability in PC gaming you ll be forced to change that habit.
For now, there will be a seperation of console and PC. I\'m not sure where things are headed but I don\'t think a 20 billion dollar industry is just going to up and go away anytime soon. [/B]
The 20 billion dollar industry invlove developers that can or already develop for PCs.It will be a shift not a decline.
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Console\'s arent overlooked but might be in teh future.
Great, I\'m glad we settled on that.
When and if the PC ever makes it into the living room is when you\'d see that shift you\'re talking about. I just don\'t see that happening anytime soon. Until then...
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^ still... think about this ;
* \'everybody\' has a decent to good PC. The only \'expensive\' upgrading of once in a while has been reduced to almost merely the videocard. Yes, Joe Average WILL be able to play HL2 quite nicely on his P 2,4 with a cheap Radeon 9600.
- HL2 at 60 fp/s with full dx9.0 fx on any of the consoles !?
* IF we can speak of hardware transition in PC gaming we at least see it\'s \'roadmap\' clearly ;
AGP to PCI-Express, 64 bit computing, Longhorn, Pixel Shader 2 & 3. Quite clear cut I\'d say.
- As always, the NEXT consoles are an accumelation of cloudy multimedia promises ranging from a Revolution to distributed Cell computing to a Box/pc hybrid !? Yes, I can see clearly where Nintendo, Sony and MS want to go \'tomorrow\' :rolleyes: They\'re gonna charge us high end prices though....
* Mobility ? Yes, I carry my Xbox and PS2 \'round the house all the time.....
Seriously, with the PCI-Express bus and MXM standard notebook graphics are gonna take a huge leap. But notebooks will not compete with your GBA2 and PSP though ; the next line of cellphones will.
* just one example ; Splinter Cell 3 is being built up from scratch for .... drumroll.... the PC ! Not, the Xbox console.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
^ still... think about this ;
* \'everybody\' has a decent to good PC. The only \'expensive\' upgrading of once in a while has been reduced to almost merely the videocard. Yes, Joe Average WILL be able to play HL2 quite nicely on his P 2,4 with a cheap Radeon 9600.
- HL2 at 60 fp/s with full dx9.0 fx on any of the consoles !?
* IF we can speak of hardware transition in PC gaming we at least see it\'s \'roadmap\' clearly ;
AGP to PCI-Express, 64 bit computing, Longhorn, Pixel Shader 2 & 3. Quite clear cut I\'d say.
- As always, the NEXT consoles are an accumelation of cloudy multimedia promises ranging from a Revolution to distributed Cell computing to a Box/pc hybrid !? Yes, I can see clearly where Nintendo, Sony and MS want to go \'tomorrow\' :rolleyes: They\'re gonna charge us high end prices though....
* Mobility ? Yes, I carry my Xbox and PS2 \'round the house all the time.....
Seriously, with the PCI-Express bus and MXM standard notebook graphics are gonna take a huge leap. But notebooks will not compete with your GBA2 and PSP though ; the next line of cellphones will.
* just one example ; Splinter Cell 3 is being built up from scratch for .... drumroll.... the PC ! Not, the Xbox console. [/B]
I started making a big post and then realized that I have no foresight into the industry. That and I don\'t know enough about what technological developments have been made and where they plan on heading.
For the not so distant future it looks like were going to still be playing on consoles.
However, after reading this XNA and Cell development are making alot of sense.
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Yes, of course ; consoles are still here 2 stay. It\'s just that I\'m trying to outline that their role is changing, albeit slightly. And this change, starts imo at developers\' side.
Indeed, console game development business model is not gonna get any less risky in the next generation of all that is gaming. That\'s why they try to create standards like XNA, which can serve as a \'safeguard\' and a buffer. I can imagine development start up problems with nextgen consoles ; remember the \'crash\' in PS2 development...the.. the .. JAGGIES issue !?. I can assure you devs don\'t want to have such a situation all over. The Billion $ question remains ; How effective will stuff like XNA be ? From a dev point of view, i think the pc development will be much more easy going and less risky thus more accessible for small talented dev teams and creativity.
.......Japanese console devs haven\'t had ingeniuty on their side for quite some time, have they ?
And lets hope EA, with their publishing money, won\'t rule whole of console gaming next gen :eek: * shudder *
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Disregarding Nintendo(there\'s nothing to discuss yet), it would be interesting to see someone put together a thread comparing the console makers outlines for their future products.
We have Sony\'s Cell technology Vs. Microsoft\'s XNA strategy.
Anyone know enough to make at the very least some speculation as what the implentation of each strategy could mean for gaming?
EA\'s the devil!
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Originally posted by Ginko
Great, I\'m glad we settled on that.
When and if the PC ever makes it into the living room is when you\'d see that shift you\'re talking about. I just don\'t see that happening anytime soon. Until then...
I am not talking about absolute PC gaming overtaking console gaming.It will weaken the console gaming industry.
How would the consumer feel if almost every title released on his console is released on PC and after a couble of years even be tremendously better?How would he feel if developers dont push the console\'s power to the limits?
consoles will stay but there share in the industry wont be as powerful.
A few aspects like being able to play on a couch in a living room just arent enough because its the certain exclusive games which you enjoy playing in your living room on a big TV that make console gaming strong
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Right, and until we see the likes of Nintendo, Naughty Dog, Capcom, SCEA, Namco, Sega, and Konami developing on the PC we don\'t have to worry about it.
Console makers have the exclusives, that\'s why they are able to sell their hardware. The likelyhood of Sony, Nintendo, and MS all going software and developing for a standard platform just doesn\'t seem likely.
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It\'s Ginko!
/waves frantically
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Originally posted by Ginko
Right, and until we see the likes of Nintendo, Naughty Dog, Capcom, SCEA, Namco, Sega, and Konami developing on the PC we don\'t have to worry about it.
Console makers have the exclusives, that\'s why they are able to sell their hardware. The likelyhood of Sony, Nintendo, and MS all going software and developing for a standard platform just doesn\'t seem likely.
Konami is already showing some interest on PCs.The MGS and SH seiries appear on PCs.Also I ve heard some time ago that Namco was planning to start developing lots of games for PC.
We dont see the difference becuase they havent started supporting a console using PC tools and PC architecture....yet atleats.
I am refering to an IF (if they do support such a console more than others) which would result to what I said.Nintendo, Sony, Naughty Dog etc alone cant save the console gaming industry if they are the only ones left to do the job.Console gaming industry is divided to 3 competitors.People usually buy one console or 2.They dont get all exclusives.Each console will have a few number of non-pc released exclusives.
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/tear...you had me at the first wave
Good to see you back!
Just for the sake of debate I\'ll put up an agrument to your IF statements.
Sony\'s a big company and has a pretty firm grip on the videogame market. They own several high profile developers not to mention the technology behind their system. If they keep on building a system that sells then it makes sense that the third party developers will stick around. As long as there\'s a healthy market there will be competition, multiple consoles.
Look at the market right now. How many exclusives does it take to make a difference? Xbox and PS2 share many of the same titles, it\'s the small number of exclusive must-have titles that sets them apart. Xbox owes its\' success to one title!
Xbox has a number of PC ports(watered down even) with only a handful of console exclusives and the system is gaining popularity. Doom III and Half-Life 2 will no doubt be inferior to their big beautiful PC cousins but that doesn\'t keep Xbox owners from getting excited to play it on their consoles.
How did FFXI sell on PS2? It was released on PC first, yet I think it\'s managed to do quite well on PS2. Considering "everyone has a PC" this is good news.
This is all in the consumers\' hands. If more people start buying PC\'s to play their games, then that\'s where the developers will go. For that to happen I think you\'d have to see PC technology become more accessible to the casual gamer.
IF Sony, MS, and Nintendo keep making their own systems that consumers want then the console market isn\'t going anywhere. If anything it will just start to nuzzle up next to the PC to start sharing more titles...which I believe would make for cheaper development and possibly cheaper software.
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The technology behind the system (like the PS2 or Cell) is what keeps this industry alive.Its not a PC in a box.Its not limited to specific tools.You are describing me the present and why things work in the present.I am telling you whats going to happen if developers shift from Sony\'s or Nintendo\'s strategy in the industry to MS\'s.
XBOX is not at all succesful.Its still here because MS has enough funds to cover the losses.As for Nintendo its a very damn fine example of innovative, creative developers, which is economically weaker and its console has more creative titles, and unique than XBOX.
XBOX would have been a dead console if it wasnt for MS.Its not Hald Life2 or DOOM3 or other PC ports that keep the console alive.
If that was the case for PS2 and Sony it would have ment decrease of popularity or even "death".Sony\'s console owns the biggest share of the console industry and they have their own technology, and different strategy.With other words they kept the console market distinct from the PC gaming market.MS did nothing.Actually if the XBOX was the no1 console things would have been worse.
I dont know the sales figures of FFXI on PS2 or PC to comment on that.
If MS manages to succeed with a huge difference in the next generation with a console featuring PC architecture and PC programming tools (PC hardware with limited features in a box in other words) which means consumers will prefer the succesfull console with that hardware, development will shift to that hardware.Ports from console to PC will be more and the console market will mix with the PC market.If that happens the console market will weaken since previously the approach taken from developers was different for consoles than the one from PC.In the long run all you ll get are lower quality on consoles.Its not just in the hands of the consumers\'.
Businesses dont have control in the short run on the consumers\' preferences.They have though in the long run.
sometimes the consumer changes direction according to how the market changes slowly.He is forced to change preferences slowly but he doesnt understand it.
You say if thats where its going to go thats where its going to go.Well...it shouldnt,
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space your paragraphs, please
XBOX is not at all succesful.Its still here because MS has enough funds to cover the losses.As for Nintendo its a very damn fine example of innovative, creative developers, which is economically weaker and its console has more creative titles, and unique than XBOX.
10 million+ sales begs to differ. Isn\'t it still neck to neck or close enough to the more innovative and creative Gamecube? Considering the console has a less than adequate lineup of games, IMO, that\'s pretty good.
XBOX would have been a dead console if it wasnt for MS.Its not Hald Life2 or DOOM3 or other PC ports that keep the console alive.
Then what is it? What\'s driving those sales? You don\'t think said PC games will benefit the Xbox?
I\'m really at a loss when it comes to seeing this grim future of consoles...I think you\'re blowing it way out of proportion. The market would surely change but I can\'t think of it in a bad way.
Guess I\'ll just have to see it for myself.:)
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Originally posted by Ginko
10 million+ sales begs to differ. Isn\'t it still neck to neck or close enough to the more innovative and creative Gamecube? Considering the console has a less than adequate lineup of games, IMO, that\'s pretty good.
No its not.Its one of those phenomenons that proove that the gaming industry isnt changing to any better.Its just money not the preference of the consumer.
MS has the money to buy out, and to promote XBOX over a product with more potential
Gaming on XBOX is very reminisent of the one on PCs.Most XBOX games are what we find on PC.
If the majority of games on XBOX are what define true console gaming more than GC or even DC(another failed but great console.well XBox is still alive) then I am dissapointed to hear that.
Then what is it? What\'s driving those sales? You don\'t think said PC games will benefit the Xbox?
See above.Have the money to still keep it alive and have games on it.Also to adverdise it (Nintendo dont do much about adverdising).It may benefit the XBOX by creating some amazement that the PS2 cant do certain games so yes it will benefit the XBOX.But the consumer is converted slowly.Thats exactly what I am talking about.In the long run this "positive" thing will harm the console market as a whole if PC to console ports becomes greately a common thing and the opposite.
Also a console that gets easily chipped and modified.Believe me it is one of those reasons it sells over GC.The consumer likes buying games cheap.And its a PC you can run lots of things on it.Emulators, MP3 programs, video CD drivers, an 80 GB PC HD with copied games on it.....XBOX piracy was also a huge issue discussed a few years ago if you remember well.
You rarely hear about fast selling games on XBOX.The best example is only Splinter Cell.
I\'m really at a loss when it comes to seeing this grim future of consoles...I think you\'re blowing it way out of proportion. The market would surely change but I can\'t think of it in a bad way.
Guess I\'ll just have to see it for myself.:) [/B]
Well.Judging from what I ve seen from XBOX and MS intentions thats something I wouldnt like to see.I doubt that MS will manage to succeed that much if Sony play well their cards but if they do succeed these are my worries.
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You know what amazes me, you whine and complain about MS\'s intention to blur the line bewteen a PC and a console - yet which company labels their system a "Computer entertainment system"?...Right, Sony.
Lift foot. Enter mouth.
Thank you.
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What\'s all the complaining about anyway? Everyone in the industry is blurring the line on console vs. pc gaming
- Online gaming
- Harddrive with downloaded material and game saves
- Voice chat
- USB keyboards and other devices
- Ability to customize & update your game with self made or downloaded extras
All a console is is a computer anyway, it was just a matter of time before these features were implemented.
Nintendo seems to have been exlucded from this list, maybe because they don\'t have the cash to setup such an infrastructure + added hardware. So if anything you should be riding Nintendo\'s jock instead of Sony\'s. Most normal people don\'t care and just want to play games.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You know what amazes me, you whine and complain about MS\'s intention to blur the line bewteen a PC and a console - yet which company labels their system a "Computer entertainment system"?...Right, Sony.
Lift foot. Enter mouth.
Thank you.
Its very obvious that you read only a few parts of my posts.
Labeling for marketing purposes and behaviour are different things :rolleyes:
XBOX=PC architecture/Direct X
PS2=different achiortecture/Different tools
Its only in the "name" but not in the flesh
Online, HD etc and generally PC functions werent mentioned at all as arguements that set XBOX and PS2 apart.
Ofcourse you didnt put the effort to read.You found the perfect excuse to show "wits".
:rolleyes:
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Cry me a river - just because it uses the DirectX API means nothing. If that is your case, than look at the DC - it had a WIN CE enviroment for development, I guess you want to tell me that it was a PC "console" . Now, when MS Flight Simulator 2005 shows up on Xbox, please, let me know.
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Its obvious you were bored to read my posts.Anyways....
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how about it, lets vote who wins:
LIC and THX vs. Unicron.
Me go for LIC and THX...