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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on June 03, 2004, 01:41:44 PM
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See it here: http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/
Great petition, getting the children of the congressmen go fight in Iraq. :laughing:
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how about michael moore do something with his fat self and go fight in iraq
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^^^^ Haha, right on.
I like his films, but make no mistake, he may have all these problems with America, but he sure does LOVE the American Dollar.
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You\'re crazy if you think he\'s in it for the money.
There are easier ways to earn money than making yourself the target for half a nation full of right wing conservative zealots.
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he\'s in it for the money
don\'t be so naive
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You love calling people naive, don\'t you? The fact is you have no evidence that he\'s only in it for the money, and it\'s impossible to produce such evidence. Therefore it\'s just what you want to believe. Give me a break.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You\'re crazy if you think he\'s in it for the money.
You called him crazy for thinking that so obviously you\'re assuming things too.
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oh right, he\'s doing it cause he loves america and every natural born citizen inside it
:rolleyes:
he was a piss poor jounalist so he turned it around, altered historical timelines to benefit his motives, and made some home movies
a video rush limbaugh
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Originally posted by mm
he was a piss poor jounalist so he turned it around, altered historical timelines to benefit his motives, and made some home movies
And a SHIT-TON of money.
As I\'ve said, I really do like his stuff, but I also take it all with a big, fat grain of salt.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You love calling people naive, don\'t you? The fact is you have no evidence that he\'s only in it for the money, and it\'s impossible to produce such evidence. Therefore it\'s just what you want to believe. Give me a break.
There is more evidence that he is doing it for the money than he\'s not. Dude\'s rich.
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That doesnt mean he only does it for the money. Face it, almost everything people do as work is for money as well as what ever other reason, otherwise they wouldnt do it.
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If there is an American director that deserves to be called a TRUE American for his work ITS HIM!
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Originally posted by videoholic
There is more evidence that he is doing it for the money than he\'s not. Dude\'s rich.
He could have gained money as well by praising the government and the "great" Irag war that was supposed to be " for best for the iraqi people and the great democracy" instead of causing criticism from half Americans against him and the govenment itself.
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but there\'s no controversy in that
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and hence no money.
Then you\'d just put it on PBS.
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Is that so?Then you believe what he showed in his movie or what he said in front of public and got criticized arent his actual beliefs?
Do yoy think its logical to work and not expect money?The only and great difference is that he expressed his beliefs and history on things America and didnt care about being criticized or even make people fight him.
Even if he didnt do it solely for money (and who doesnt work for a living) you woulld still say the same thing.
Lets take a different approach of the discussion then.Ignore who made it, ignore why he made it.Do you agree with the things said, shown and told?
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Thats what it comes down to for the most part. WHo makes what and how they promote it. Unless there is nothing but blatant lies.
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I suppose you would all like him to be a monk and write books and direct movies for free. The issue is NOT whether he is compensated for his work, or even HOW MUCH compensation he receives.
As I recall, the question is whether he\'s only in it for the money.
After he released "Roger and Me" to great success in the United States, he could have pursued another more comfortable, and by no means less lucrative career as a conventional hollywood director. He CHOSE not to, and instead continued to produce books, television shows, and movies that challenge the status quo and corporate power structure in this country. Now he receives death threats from pinheaded reactionary conservatives, struggles to get his books published, and his movies released, and has to endure endless attacks and abuse from narrow minded politicians and pundits who can\'t be bothered to listen to what he\'s saying.
Yup, that sounds like the actions of someone who\'s "only in it for the money." I can\'t believe I had to spell it out for you.
OK, now what\'s your explaination for why he\'s only in it for the money? I hope it\'s something better than "dude\'s rich." :rolleyes:
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Actually you are the one who brought up the fact that he doesn\'t do it for money.
Luke brought up the point that he blasts america in all of his movies yet he certainly doesn\'t mind making the money from the Americans who watch his rhetoric.
Kind of like the Muslims who flew the planes into the WTC towers. They went to strip bars when they were living in Ft. Lauderdale.
And the dude\'s rich comment was just a joke. It\'s just that you say there is no evidence he\'s doing it for the money, when there really is much less evidence that he\'s not.
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I don\'t like the man, but anyone who rags on G.W.B. gets a thumbs up from me. :laughing:
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Freelance journalist M�rten Blomkvist has done us all a service [Dagens Nyheter, June 2] by phoning Ray Bradbury, author of the classic dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451, to find out what he has to say about Michael Moore toying with his title. Moore recently walked away from Cannes with the Palme d�Or for his anti-Bush film Fahrenheit 9/11. Is Bradbury, now 84, flattered by the reference? Well, not quite: Michael Moore is a stupid son of a bitch. He stole my title and changed the numbers and never asked for my permission.
Bradbury explains that he tried to get in contact with the director. Moore was busy and promised to get back to him that same afternoon�but he never did.
He is a dreadful man. A dreadful man.
Bradbury sees Moore�s appropriation of Fahrenheit as a simple case of theft: I could write a novel tomorrow called Gone with the Wind, couldn�t I? But I�m not going to do it because that would be dishonest. Lets just say that Michael Moore is dishonest and that I want to have nothing to do with him. That pretty well does it.
http://spectator.se/stambord/index.php?p=24
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There was a released Novel in bookstores with the same name and nobody knew it?
btw:Is there a transalted interview?
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Originally posted by videoholic
Actually you are the one who brought up the fact that he doesn\'t do it for money.
Luke brought up the point that he blasts america in all of his movies yet he certainly doesn\'t mind making the money from the Americans who watch his rhetoric.
Kind of like the Muslims who flew the planes into the WTC towers. They went to strip bars when they were living in Ft. Lauderdale.
And the dude\'s rich comment was just a joke. It\'s just that you say there is no evidence he\'s doing it for the money, when there really is much less evidence that he\'s not.
I gave you a reasonable explanation for why he\'s not just doing it for the money. You haven\'t given me a reasonable explanation for why he is. Therefore your point about the "evidence" makes no sense. As I suggested before, there is no evidence on either side of this argument because the explanation for Moore\'s motivations is contained only in his head. You can only make an assertion about his motivations based on his actions, and that\'s what I\'ve done. Your only assertion is that he\'s well paid.
Regarding the other point: You and others have stated that Moore "blasts America," suggesting perhaps that he hates the United States. If you read his books and watch his movies, you\'ll see that he blasts CORPORATE America, the US electoral system, our two party structure, and other offenses of the rich exploiting the poor. It\'s called constructive criticism. I have no idea why this indicates to you that he\'s not entitled to benefit from the profits generated by a work that he made.
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Only another week b4 Broadband comes :D
In relation 2 being able to watch trailers =]
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ps2.... trailer is offline right now anyway.
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Ohhhh...Fahrenheit 9/11 and Fahrenheit 451...big deal.
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Hey arent writers seeking money too btw? :p
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WTF
"Fahrenheit 9/11 and Fahrenheit 451"
Unless both talk about people burning books in the future, I don\'t see what the problem is.
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exactly.(which Im assuming F-9/11 doesnt.) :D
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Its a play on words... Moore chose the title because of the book named that - it doesn\'t mean the topics have to be anything alike. I don\'t see the problem.
In regards to the movie - just Moore pulling the same stunt of trying to stretch the truth as far as he can.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
In regards to the movie - just Moore pulling the same stunt of trying to stretch the truth as far as he can.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/4810977.html
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Originally posted by Ace
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/4810977.html
Michael Moore\'s response to this Star Tribune article:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=20
June 4th, 2004 2:52 pm
Statement about Rep. Mark Kennedy’s Remarks in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune
The following statement was submitted to the Minneapolis Star Tribune on June 3, but it was not printed in their article on June 4. Here is what was given to the paper in response to statements made by Rep. Mark Kennedy (R-Minn):
A spokesperson for Fahrenheit 9/11 released the entire transcript of the exchange between Michael Moore and Rep. Mark Kennedy (see below). None of this exchange is included in the film. No statements by Rep. Kennedy are in the film. There was no editing of his remarks.
In the interview Mr. Moore asks if the Congressman will pass out recruitment brochures to other members of Congress to try to get their kids to enlist in the army and go to Iraq. Congressman agrees to do this, saying, “I’d be happy to. Especially those who voted for the war.”
Farhenheit 9/11\'s spokesperson said, "We would like to ask the Congressman if he spoke to members of Congress as he agreed to do, especially those who voted for the war, to sign up their kids to go to Iraq? We would like to know what Members of Congress he has spoken to by name and what did they say?
"We anxiously await his response and sincerely hope he did not lead us on, saying he would be happy to hand out recruitment brochures to Members of Congress who voted for the war so as to get their children to enlist, and then not do so."
Transcript of Interview with Rep. Mark Kennedy.
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY How are you doing?
MM: I\'m trying to get members of congress to get their kids to enlist in the army and go over to Iraq. Is there any way you could help me with that?
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: How would I help you?
MM: Pass it out to other members of congress.
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: I\'d be happy to. Especially those who voted for the war.
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: I have a nephew on his way to Afghanistan.
MM: Because there is only one member who has a kid over there in Iraq. This is Corporal Henderson, he is helping me out here.
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: How are you, good to see you.
MM: There it is, it\'s just a basic recruitment thing. Encourage especially those who were in favor of the war to send their kids. I appreciate it.
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY: Okay, bye.