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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Coredweller on June 11, 2004, 03:42:43 PM
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I\'m bored at work, so all I feel like doing is reading about the WRC and F1. Instead of creating new threads for each race, I thought I would make one thread that we can all contribute to. Perhaps if one of the mods would like to move the older F1 threads into this one, that would be helpful too.
I wasn\'t able to watch any of today\'s Free Practice from the Canadian Grand Prix, but I read the results. Perhaps I will see a replay later. My question is: Do you think BAR Honda can figure out what\'s going wrong, and help Takuma Sato finish some races without his engine blowing up again? I haven\'t heard anyone say this, but it must be terribly embarrasing to retire with an engine failure, AND cause two other retirements due to collisions in the smoke screen caused by YOUR car! That\'s what happened in Monaco a few weeks ago.
BAR needs both cars to finish in the points if they want to build a respectable lead over Renault and move ahead in the Manufacturer\'s standings. Why is it that Jenson Button can be having such a great season, while Sato seems cursed? Is this really the fault of the drivers, or the cars, or some differing setup between the cars?
Does anyone have any details on what changes Honda has made to their engine? I\'ve heard they are introducing a revision which is supposed to be better, but I guess they are pretty tight lipped about what exactly has changed.
Many other questions have been crossing my mind lately, but I guess I\'ll save them for later.
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It\'s a good idea IMO... I\'m surprised with R Schumacher pole position. It is gonna be a funny race :p
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Don\'t write Michael off just yet, I am guessing he has a heavier fuel load on board for a longer first stint.
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That\'s obvious... some strange strategy will be prepared by Ferrari... its strategies are working great for them this year.
EDIT: Btw, fellow americans, your NTSC tv system sucks... what a shit! The image is blurry as hell... bad colors and slight phantom signal... PAL POWA!!!!
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
That\'s obvious... some strange strategy will be prepared by Ferrari... its strategies are working great for them this year.
EDIT: Btw, fellow americans, your NTSC tv system sucks... what a shit! The image is blurry as hell... bad colors and slight phantom signal... PAL POWA!!!!
Adan, I\'m willing to bet the problem is not simply the NTSC standard. It\'s mostly the heavy amount of video compression Speed Channel uses. I notice it over here as well. Some standard definition channels come in amazingly sharp, while others like Speed and OLN are murky and mushy with compression. They must have a crappy contract for satellite bandwidth.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Adan, I\'m willing to bet the problem is not simply the NTSC standard. It\'s mostly the heavy amount of video compression Speed Channel uses. I notice it over here as well. Some standard definition channels come in amazingly sharp, while others like Speed and OLN are murky and mushy with compression. They must have a crappy contract for satellite bandwidth.
You may be probably right but NTSC has quite less image quality than PAL.
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Schumi is killing the sport.. Nice try though Ralf.
Sato is one brave mofo, he pushes the car to max.. Everything or nothing seems to be his motto. :)
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Originally posted by fastson
Sato is one brave mofo, he pushes the car to max.. Everything or nothing seems to be his motto. :)
Mechanics say that Sato\'s way of driving is right, it is just bad luck the fact that he has ****ed 4 engines in 4 races :D
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
Mechanics say that Sato\'s way of driving is right, it is just bad luck the fact that he has ****ed 4 engines in 4 races :D
Hehe, well his way of driving seems to be working. Some good positions so far.
Poor Räikkönen, I hope he gets transfered to a new team next year.. Show his full potential.
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Originally posted by fastson
Poor Räikkönen, I hope he gets transfered to a new team next year.. Show his full potential.
That\'s what happens when you are in a team that hasn\'t spent a cent to improve the last year car. It\'s shameful actually to see how a great team like McClaren-Mercedes is over.
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There\'s been talk that Honda has a secret engine development plan which Sato uses the end result, while Button uses the tried and tested power plant. The BAR\'s are shit hot over a short period but in race trim they just lack the consistency.
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
That\'s what happens when you are in a team that hasn\'t spent a cent to improve the last year car. It\'s shameful actually to see how a great team like McClaren-Mercedes is over.
McLaren suck 100% and it\'s great. :D
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Both Williams & Toyota\'s disqualified for illegal brake issues aparently, so JB is promoted to 3rd.
Laso, a drivers style can attribute to car reliablitiy. Jenson is known for being a smooth driver who doesn\'t go at it kamikaze style, so he tends to go untroubled.
Sato is prone to errors, usually spins, this increases the engine temp as there is no air flowing through the radiators.
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Originally posted by Cerberus
Both Williams & Toyota\'s disqualified for illegal brake issues aparently, so JB is promoted to 3rd.
Really? That\'s GREAT! news :D
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Yeah.
>>>Linky link text type thing<<< (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3803709.stm)
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Yippee... :dance:
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Williams technical director Sam Michael said: "The front brake ducts of Ralf and Juan Pablo\'s car are not in accordance with the regulations.
"It was a mistake and it was unintentional. There was no performance gain and no gain for brake cooling because the inlet area was not bigger.
"However, the duct is not in compliance with the technical regulation and we accept the FIA decision."
I think it\'s nice to see that kind of attitude from motorsports team. It stands in stark contract to Corrado Provera\'s confrontational attitude when Peugeot\'s victory in the Cyprus Rally was overturned due to an illegal water pump. If they\'re going to cut corners for every tiny advantage, they need to own up and pay the price when they are caught.
BTW, Jenson Button is only 10 points behind Rubens Barrichello in 2nd place in the drivers\' championship. BAR Honda increased their lead over BMW. Wa hoo! :tomato:
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If they\'ve cheated knowing what they were doing... Williams and Honda should be heavily punished, not only in this race. 10 points less to each driver in the general classification.
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
If they\'ve cheated knowing what they were doing... Williams and Honda should be heavily punished, not only in this race. 10 points less to each driver in the general classification.
What does this have to do with Honda?
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Originally posted by Coredweller
What does this have to do with Honda?
Sorry, I wanted to write Toyota instead of Honda.
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I\'m going to sleep early tonight because inside of three laps, both BAR Hondas retired from the Malaysian Grand Prix. :mad: :rpissed: :mad: :rpissed:
WTF is wrong with Honda? I hope it\'s some simple fundamental fault that can be easily corrected, like they did halfway through last season. One of the announcers mentioned that Honda\'s philosophy this season was to increase horsepower at all costs, even if it meant sacrificing some reliability. That\'s the first time I\'ve heard that, and I don\'t quite believe it. Why would they do something like that in this season of rule changes which require them to increase engine reliability by making sure the engine survives two races?
My theory is that Honda is playing with some very unsual technological advance in the 05 engine, and they haven\'t perfected it yet. :) Well, one can hope.
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so uhmm, is nissan even in this?
(sorry I\'m clueless)
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I read a thread on another motorsport forum I am a memebr of, where someone asked "can Schu & Ferrari be beaten this year?"
After 2 races, and 0 wins, I can\'t help but think that "can Schu & Ferrari win this year?" would have been more appropriate.
I didn\'t see the race myself, as I made that same mistake I always do with the middle of the night events, I go out and get pissed up, then come in at 3am and decide to stay up and wait for it to come on.
As you can probably guess, I fell asleep withing 5 minutes, and only just woke up as the podium finishers were giving their interviews after the race. I\'ll have to wait another couple of hours before I can watch a re-run of the race.
But, for me, any race that Ferrari & Schu don\'t win, is a good race.
Happy happy joy joy.
Shame about Button though, retiring after only 3 laps with engine trouble.
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Get ready for Alonso\'s domination
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Originally posted by THX
so uhmm, is nissan even in this?
(sorry I\'m clueless)
The teams competing in F1 this year are:
Renault
Toyota
Red Bull Racing (Formerly Jaguar)
Ferrari
Williams BMW
McLaren Mercedes
Sauber Petronas
Jordan Toyota
BAR Honda
Minardi Cosworth
Nissan isn\'t involved, but don\'t worry. Neither are some other very well know carmakers like Porsche.
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Just to get into the spirit of things. This is me in a F1 car....in last place....unfortunately. :(
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy8%2FSnoopySmurf%2FF1Close.jpg&hash=51a23510fe0fc26a71183c33d1b2ead2b5d1e2e6)
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Not Formula 1 but damn what a FINISH!
http://www.helmetcam.org/motogp/jerez05.wmv
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That was lame! The guy ran him off the course to win.
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he didnt run him off he had the inside track and the guy tried to come back on him...
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The guy on the inside lane had the advantage and drove the other guy wider. Legal but not very sporting.
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Nice video, Gman. Note: Rossi was riding a Honda. :)
Here\'s another Honda, and this one IS an F1 video. The great Ayrton Senna drives a qualifying lap at Monaco. I love this video:
http://www.sportf1.net/Videos/lapqualif.avi
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Damn...reminds me of when I was in the kart league 4 years ago! All the jolts and vibrations literally caused by fillings to come loose! I needed to get it replaced anyway. :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
The guy on the inside lane had the advantage and drove the other guy wider. Legal but not very sporting.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
The guy on the inside lane had the advantage and drove the other guy wider. Legal but not very sporting.
ohh gotcha would have been more what polite if he would have backed off and let the outside guy retain the advantage...
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Or he could have done like he did in the other corners and just race.
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Here\'s an F1 vs two cars with a 70 second head start.
http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/27561/
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http://www.dgtalpimp.com/m3_gtr_nurburgring.wmv
Right click save as before it\'s gone. One of the fastest runs at the Nurb.
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The F1 against the rode cars i have one thing to say "BRILLIANT!!!"
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Originally posted by Cyrus
The F1 against the rode cars i have one thing to say "BRILLIANT!!!"
Not sure if you\'re replying to the one I just posted....but that\'s not an F1 car. That\'s an M3. :D
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Im replying to the one you posted saying F1 vs 2 cars with 70 second head start dork....
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Originally posted by Cyrus
Im replying to the one you posted saying F1 vs 2 cars with 70 second head start dork....
I forgot about that one. You\'re so four days ago. :p
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I\'m sure that most of you have heard that BAR Honda has been excluded from the next two F1 events (Barcelona & Monaco) as a penalty for supposedly cheating at the San Marino GP by using fuel as ballast. The explanation of what they supposedly did wrong, and why the FIA sees it as cheating is so complex, I don\'t have the energy to repeat it all here. Just click this link to learn more: http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19401.shtml
There are so many angles to this story, it\'s really hard to follow sometimes. On the whole it seems to me that Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley are shooting themselves in the foot by handing out such a heavy penalty to one team, when the other teams could very well be doing the same thing or worse. The bizarre system they have for reviewing and approving technical advances is so hard to fathom, it suggests to me how easy it would be for Ferarri to squeeze in all sorts of advantageous technology that was supposedly "approved" but in fact never really made public or reviewed by anyone.
Furthermore, Jenson Button just broke up with Louise Griffiths. Poor guy. :p
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I\'m sure that most of you have heard that BAR Honda has been excluded from the next two F1 events (Barcelona & Monaco) as a penalty for supposedly cheating at the San Marino GP by using fuel as ballast. The explanation of what they supposedly did wrong, and why the FIA sees it as cheating is so complex, I don\'t have the energy to repeat it all here. Just click this link to learn more: http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19401.shtml
There are so many angles to this story, it\'s really hard to follow sometimes. On the whole it seems to me that Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley are shooting themselves in the foot by handing out such a heavy penalty to one team, when the other teams could very well be doing the same thing or worse. The bizarre system they have for reviewing and approving technical advances is so hard to fathom, it suggests to me how easy it would be for Ferarri to squeeze in all sorts of advantageous technology that was supposedly "approved" but in fact never really made public or reviewed by anyone.
Furthermore, Jenson Button just broke up with Louise Griffiths. Poor guy. :p
It fucking sucks, that\'s all I can say. They should be punishing BAR, not the drivers, and certainly not the fans.
If anything, they should have let them race, but not let BAR keep what ever points they score, while letting Button and Sato keep hold of theirs.
After all, decisions like this are taken without the approval of the drivers. These sorts of shady dealings are always decided upon by the highest people within the team. Drivers don\'t even have a say in what race strategy they adopt. They are told when to push, when to back off, and when to pit, they have no say in the matter whatsoever.
You think how much bollocks Ferrari have getting away with over the last 7-8 years and then decide what should be done.
F1 teams are supposed to be treated equally by the FIA regardless of where they are on the grid, but yet again, it looks like some teams are just a bit more equal than others..
PS. It\'s not really all Bernie Ecclestones fault, he just runs F1, it\'s all down to that fucktard Max Mosely and his FIA arse-bandits. Bernie Ecclestone has to go with what ever rules these tits make up, and that includes fuel tank issues.
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I had no Idea people actually followed this shit kudos to you.....
My favorite part though was FUCKTARD!!! :bounce:
:gman:
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They shouldn\'t be punishing anyone. In my opinion, BAR wasn\'t cheating. They were simply following the regulations to the LETTER. The regulations are vague on what fuel status the car has to be in when it\'s weighed, but that\'s not BAR\'s problem. The fault is with the FIA for writing vague regulations. The reg says:
1.9 Weight:
Is the weight of the car with the driver, wearing his complete racing apparel, at all times during the event.
1.10 Racing weight
Is the weight of the car in running order with the driver aboard and all fuel tanks full.
There is no definition for the weight of car + driver - fuel. In fact, the regs imply that the car must be in operating condition under sect. 1.9, which it connot be without the contentious 6kg of fuel in the fuel system. The car can\'t operate without that minimal amount of fuel, so it\'s impossible for the car to have dropped below the 600kg threshold at any time during qualifying or during the race. Therefore they weren\'t cheating.
Read BAR\'s response, it really makes it very clear. http://195.147.246.45/BAR_FIA_Submission.pdf