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Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 17, 2004, 10:26:36 AM
I cam across this today, Seems AMD has leanred at few tricks from SEGA\'s mearketing team. Aprrently they have been giving these things out to people.

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Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 17, 2004, 01:36:56 PM
lol.  Quite amusing.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 17, 2004, 02:19:07 PM
AMD hurting that bad?

talk about irony
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 17, 2004, 02:55:18 PM
What are you smoking mm, it\'s called marketing. AMD is not hurting, there taking advantage of the current situation. Afterall they are producing the best cpu\'s right now, and are ahead of the game, while intel is still stuck on there shitty flawed 4 year old net-burst architechure.

Fact is, Intel is scrambling out of desperation to copy AMD\'s plans, roadmaps and product lines. Why do you think that is?  Intel said 64 bit wasn\'t viable for almost the next decade, and yet they are rushing to copy x86-64.  They are scrambling to rush dual core out before AMD,they are copying AMD\'s PR numbering scheme. Intel has also scrapped numerous processor designs recently to concentrate on copying AMD. Heck! Microsoft even said that Intels 64 bit plans were inferior to AMD.
 
So now AMD is already producing 90nm samples and are well on their way to producing dual core chips.

Nothing wrong with AMD kicking INTEL when they are down, I truly believe Intel needs to have the living shit kicked out of them so that hopefully the big Monopoly is forced to start designing chips that are innovative and more geared towards giving the consumer the best bank for buck performance/pushing the ladder. Remember if monopoly\'s lack any competition, then we the consumer get the big screw. Intel had gotten lazy during the Pentium 1,2, era cause AMD at that time posed little threat to them. So in retrospect everyone should be happy that AMD is at the top of there game.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: THX on June 17, 2004, 03:27:45 PM
This firzt aide kit PROOVES that AMD is betar than SHITEL!!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 17, 2004, 04:06:23 PM
I love creative marketing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 17, 2004, 05:25:21 PM
intel, down?

i miss something?

the company i work for has some 2000+ computers between 7 sites and guess what, not a single amd chip in the house.

this is one company
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 17, 2004, 05:26:42 PM
facts me thinks......
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 17, 2004, 06:03:55 PM
?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 17, 2004, 06:06:44 PM
Keyword "Company"  
Intel = business mainstream. Amd = Gaming.

but amd do need better marketing.  I haven\'t seen 1 amd ad.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: QuDDus on June 17, 2004, 07:13:06 PM
While I love Amd and think shit of intel.

Intel seems to overshadow Amd everytime. I guess because more business use Intel that is why they are so huge.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 17, 2004, 07:58:46 PM
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but amd do need better marketing. I haven\'t seen 1 amd ad.


I know, us AMD users have been stunned that in the past 5 years Not one AMD TV ad???

Then again Intel has got the molla to advertise. Interesting while AMD has decided to spend most there money on R&D Intel likes to spend more of there\'s for TV ad\'s etc...

Maybe that\'s why AMD makes better chips than Intel, who knows.

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the company i work for has some 2000+ computers between 7 sites and guess what, not a single amd chip in the house


What is your point other than INTEL being a Monopoly which we already have established? Are you trying to say because more people have INTEL it\'s a better chip?


So by mm\'s analogy since 90% of computer users have a M$ windows operating system, Windows must be the best OS out there??????????????  

MM you know why most business use Intel chips,

#1 Intel has the established name and reputaton since it was one of the first to dominate the market 20 years ago. So just becuase Ford was a good car back in the 50-60\'s does not mean it\'s of the same calibur today.

#2 Most people(which are the mainstream) are ingnorant, and have no clue what AMD even is, and if they do, for some reason there under the impression the the Intel chip is faster becaue of the whole scaling of MHZ confusing

#3 Intel has exclusive deals with many of the big PC manufactures like DELL for example. So allot of people are unknowingly forced into INTEL brand name, not even realizing there is a choice.

#4-10 etc.....


Simply put, you can\'t deny that AMD is a solid chip manufacturer that is going to give Intel one hell of a ride. They have out smart Intel through better more productive engineering. While Intel has the money they forget the brains which was responsible for creating the foundation which made them the big Chip giant they are today.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: THX on June 17, 2004, 08:17:49 PM
Don\'t care about marketing, I\'ll buy whatever encodes videos faster at the pricepoint I need.  There seem to be a lot of people out there that think if it\'s great for videogames then it\'s the end all, be all solution.

The gamer AMD kids eat this marketing up (even though they can\'t afford the latest 64-bit chips).  Most people don\'t give a crap.  If Intel came out with such a kit I\'d roll my eyes instead of going YEAAAAA!!!  !INT3L PWNZ0RZ!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 17, 2004, 08:40:53 PM
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There seem to be a lot of people out there that think if it\'s great for videogames then it\'s the end all, be all solution.


If you are refering to the AMD chip there processors perform better with the majority of major software applications. There is little to no benefit using Intel for 3D Animation anymore. The majority of the major apps run better on AMD. spec.org has a whole suite of Maya related tests that have Opteron and FX spanking the living daylights out of Intel.

3D Studio Max is no longer better suited for Intel processors anymore either. The latest AMD chips win there as well.
Even cinema 4D, long an Intel favored benchmark tips to AMD. 3 out of the 4 major cinebench tests favor AMD.

Also----

MPEG encoding has tipped in favor of AMD processors.

DiVX encoding now favors or is so close within the range of error that Intel is no longer a clear winner

Audio applications like Digidesign, Steinburg, Samplitude and others now favor AMD processors.

Most games favor AMD.

Non Linear editing systems perfer AMD.

Compositing apps like Digital Fusion, After Effects, Combustion, Nuke, and others perform better on AMD processors.

Scientific applications favor AMD.

In fact, with the exception of a few synthetic benchmarks, that have little real bearing on real world performance, most applications are within a plus or minus range that would be considered equal or better than Intel.

As mm would say: [SIZE=10] AMD[/SIZE] > Intel
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: THX on June 17, 2004, 09:45:11 PM
Break out some benchmarks, talk is cheap here.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2065&p=7

P4 3.0C = $200
Athlon 64 3800+ = $700

The Tom\'s Hardware benches show even more video benchmarks but since I should NEVER (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/socket_939-20.html) NEVER (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040419/cpu-scaling-14.html) NEVER (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040322/prescott-13.html) talk about TH then we\'ll leave it at that.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 17, 2004, 10:02:41 PM
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I should NEVER NEVER NEVER talk about TH then we\'ll leave it at that


Do you not see the irony in there. Talk is cheap, yet you mention TH :laughing: :laughing:

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P4 3.0C = $200
Athlon 64 3800+ = $700


I\'m confused??????? compare both Intel\'s best against AMD\'s?


P4 EE 3.4-GHz  =  $1000  

AMD64 +3800  = $700
AMD64 FX53  = $800[/SIZE]
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: THX on June 18, 2004, 01:11:04 AM
my argument was for dv encoding, with the link to that Anandtech test it should have been self explanatory.

Still no benchmarks? :(
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 02:17:49 AM
you get what you pay for

truly ironic AMD making fun of intel for running hot
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: politiepet on June 18, 2004, 02:37:25 AM
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
I cam across this today, Seems AMD has leanred at few tricks from SEGA\'s mearketing team. Aprrently they have been giving these things out to people.

Introducing the [/COLOR] Prescott Survival KIT


I almost pissed my pants at this one.


you\'re a nerd! ;)

dont quote all the images please, stupid enough to see them once
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 09:42:02 AM
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here seem to be a lot of people out there that think if it\'s great for videogames then it\'s the end all, be all solution.


There\'s a major flaw in your argument. You do realize that a good portion of the PC market is being pushed by the Videogame industry. What do you think the main driving force is that creates the demand for people to  buy most the expensive ram, Video card and processor so that they can encode divix faster? Sure there is a segment out there that is geared towards 3d animation, or CAD stuff, but in reality the PC game industry has given the consumer the incentive they need to go and purchase a $500 64bit CPU, which in turns allows these companies to engineer and produce these chips.  Games play a big part my friend and AMD has been the leader in that area for a while, the only time Intel has beaten AMD in the game benchmarks is when that particular game has been optimized for the P4 just like your divix program.



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my argument was for dv encoding, with the link to that Anandtech test it should have been self explanatory.


It was for me, from the benchmark you provided:

AMD64 FX55 -- 56.1 FPS
Intel P4EE ----- 54.9 Fps

Now I understand that you are making the argument that the P4 3.0C encodes divix faster than a similar priced AMD chip. That I agree is true, after all DIVIX has been optimized for INTEL, yet when comparing both manufactures top of the line processor it\'s AMD who put the smack down on INTEL\'S own optimized software. Now if you ask me that\'s one hell of a chip.  My main argument in this thread was that AMD does produce the fastest CPU\'s today, not INTEL and other than some synthetic benchmarks or software that has been optimized for Intel AMD has shown time and time again that they have engineered a better CPU.


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Still no benchmarks?


 if you want benchmarks I will provide them, just give me time to go through my bookmarks to find them. Oh and one more thing those anandtech benckmarks you posted, show that the AMD is kicking Intel in 95% of the benchs. How about them apples!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 09:45:48 AM
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dont quote all the images please, stupid enough to see them once


How do you quote an Image?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 01:38:28 PM
he quoted your entire post, images and all

it\'s not hard to imagine

lol, you keep benchmarks of amd beating intel, thats sad
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 01:51:04 PM
It’s been a back and forward match between AMD and Intel for years.  I just go Amd because it’s more bang for your buck. When I decide to update again, I’ll get Amds 64bit line.  But AMD aren\'t doing a Cyrix as mm once said.
They\'ll be around for a long ass time and I’m happy, competition drives cpu prices down. I do find it amusing that once something that Intel fan boys used to bytch about AMD (and with a passion) is now a Intel problem.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 02:05:10 PM
yeah, AMD chips are just sooooo cheap
:rolleyes:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: Cyrus on June 18, 2004, 02:11:34 PM
This is pretty funny but what is that in the first pic in the upper left corner...

.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 02:14:34 PM
6800U, looks like
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 02:29:04 PM
cheaper then intels.....
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 02:34:57 PM
wuwu!  it\'s 800$ instead of 900$
:rolleyes:

that 100$ buys compatibility and stability

it\'s like that saved money grants you the right to make excuses for why you bought it
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 02:47:53 PM
Compatibility and stability??  Typical Intel fanboy outdated response.   I\'ve yet to have a single problem with my cpu, stability or compatibility wise.  Try catching up with today.

Looks to me you haven\'t owned the recent amd processors. Wouldn\'t expect you to either.  It\'s kinda like your ATI/Nvidia issues.  Looked what happened with you there.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 03:01:17 PM
LOL, outdated response #1

"duh, it\'s cheaper?"
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 03:21:37 PM
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he quoted your entire post, images and all


http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=763027&page=1

That\'s where I got the pics from, but I thought that was a given. As for the comments I made along with the pics go check the source link out, and you will see why it is that Polities comment still has me confused.

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ol, you keep benchmarks of amd beating intel, thats sad


No, I do however have somewhere sites that did comprehensive reviews.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 03:25:34 PM
sigh, he quoted your ENTIRE post, pics and all
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 03:28:45 PM
sigh mm    http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=763027&page=1

you lazy Bast**d go read the link
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 03:31:14 PM
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"duh, it\'s cheaper


Not outdated, they still are!

$1000 for Intel\'s Emergency Edition.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 03:38:14 PM
linky no work, missed your chance

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you get what your pay for
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 03:44:33 PM
Don\'t be lazy mm here you go:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=763027&page=1
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 03:46:23 PM
bro, your lost
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 03:51:19 PM
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bro, your lost



what has been lost? mm please don\'t tell me that your actually serious about it, cause then I wonder how old you really are, quit acting like a 12 year brat, this isn\'t some EGO contest you buffoon.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:03:30 PM
i\'m the buffoon and you can\'t seem to comprehend what it means to requote images in a post?  sheesh
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 04:17:23 PM
I give up, I don\'t have time for juvenal antics
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:23:02 PM
wtf is junvenial?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 04:33:16 PM
AMD Athlon XP 3200+  (400Mhz FSB)    $308.00  
Intel Pentium 4 3.20G-C (800Mhz FSB) $446.00



AMD Athlon 64 3400+   $655.00  
AMD Athlon 64 3200+   $449.00  
Intel Pentium 4 3.20G with Hyper Threading Extreme Edition (800Mhz/2Mb)  $1419.00  



yep, outdated :rolleyes:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:39:14 PM
that must be in AUS wood chip currency

and think for a second the two cpu\'s you are comparing :laughing:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 04:40:21 PM
added some extra for your want.  Same series mm. Best against best and p4 against xp etc.

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ $449.00
Intel Pentium 4 3.20G-C (800Mhz FSB) $446.00




ps. mm i know u don\'t like living in a shit hole.  Its ok.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:42:09 PM
pathetic bro, honestly

i expected much more

heck yeah i wouldnt like living with the abbo\'s
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 04:42:56 PM
you\'ve lost.. u lost before it even started.  Go on, do your old macho bravo bs.



for your next lame response..  whatever chump.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:45:24 PM
ok, i had 5 seconds to spare you

$799 -    Athlon 64 FX 53

and there\'s nothing to win/lose

AMD is a budget minded CPU, always has been, always will be

and about my Ati purchase, im anxious.  although the performance on d3d games is close, openGL is a wash

when the 6800u\'s are available, i can sell my 800xtpe for well over 550$  (thats like 23958 wood chips to you)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 04:49:44 PM
$799 USD = 1,160.83 AUD  nope, still cheaper.  

You\'ve not owned one of amds newer processors. I totally understand your bias and ignorance. Its cool dood. :) don\'t need to try and explain it.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:52:06 PM
your right, i have purposely opted to NOT own one

i like quality, not budget
thanks
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 04:52:25 PM
ignorance is bliss.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:54:50 PM
obviously

:)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 04:59:27 PM
http://www.googlewar.com/search.cfm?q1=intel&q2=amd
settles it


oh and
http://www.googlewar.com/search.cfm?q1=mm&q2=soulgrind
for kicks
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 05:08:36 PM
http://www.googlewar.com/search.cfm?q1=Nvidia&q2=Ati


hmph.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 05:10:21 PM
well , no shit

look at any ati forum  "driver related issues" section
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 05:11:41 PM
sigh.. "shakes head"

so err, why is intel beating amd. When amd should have forums full of processor issues ;)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 05:17:25 PM
cause they dont have issues

they burn them out or throw them in the trash and go buy new ones
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 05:24:52 PM
burn them out.. hmm must be a new technology disabling thermal diodes on both the mobo and cpu..  interesting.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 05:25:45 PM
yeah, it works real well
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 05:28:49 PM
gonna have to go buy me one of these new boards..   disabled cpu protection.. amazing stuff.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 05:31:34 PM
so tell me, why do amd chips need this so called protection?

cause it be cause they run dangerously  hot?
*gasp*
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 05:41:17 PM
guess what mm.. intel boards/cpu have it too...  gasp.

what? u thought your computer slowing down or shutting off when theres no heat sink on the cpu was from fairy dust.



ps. my cpu is running at 36c. POP temps are around 90c.  

ALERT ALERT DANGEROUSLY CLOSE.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 18, 2004, 05:48:24 PM
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why do amd chips need this so called protection?


There is a thermal Die built into the P4 chips buffoon.

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cause it be cause they run dangerously hot?


You must be referring to the Prescott, after all it reaches temps far hotter than any AMD chip ever has. MM you must of already forgotten about the Prescott Survival Kit. Interesting how the tables have turned.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 18, 2004, 05:55:57 PM
my time is too precious

fetch me the max rated temps for both chips, and get back to me

also, kid, quote me on saying that intel chips dun have themal diodes

i love how you guys never have a lick of proof to anything and just make shit up to throw back at me
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 06:23:31 PM
mm, don\'t try to get out of it. You may have not directly said it.  You just got caught out not knowing the hardware.  

"why do amd chips need this so called protection?"

The single most dumbest thing i\'ve ever heard you say.  Intel have the same protection, yet you didn\'t know this because of your lame answer to your own question and the fact you even ASKED such a stupid question.

"cause it be cause they run dangerously hot?"

To me this was basically you saying they need it. Intel does not. (not knowing that intel has it)
Most of the board would probably agree too.
Intel use the same thing? why do they have cpu protection?  maybe to protect the cpu lol.


http://www.silentpcreview.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=46&page=2

"In an Intel P4, the thermal diode happens to be near one corner. This is far away, relatively speaking, from the portion of the die that gets hottest when running typical high stress benchmarking tests. The difference between the hottest point and the thermal diode location can exceed 10° C. The heat spreader utilized on P4s is partly an attempt to distribute the heat in the core more evenly."


interesting indeed..
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 18, 2004, 06:44:23 PM
http://www.gen-x-pc.com/cputemps.htm


seems amd cpus allow more leeway.  Currently my cpu is at 37c mobo at 20c.  I hardly call that dangerous temps.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 19, 2004, 02:27:04 AM
lol, you crack me up

"facetious"

i suggest you learn the meaning of this word

and please don\'t compare my hardware knowledge you yours, techy
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 19, 2004, 02:45:03 AM
You\'ve yet to prove anything but your constant blabbing.

:blah: :blah: :blah:

Your hardware knowledge? think you proved that’s non existent. All that education did wonders. What education you did have is probably already outdated hardware wise anyways.   Kinda like half the crap you harp on about.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 19, 2004, 03:27:59 AM
wow, you almost sound like me talking

as usual, false claims and making shit up is your best tactics
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 19, 2004, 11:25:31 AM
:blah:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 19, 2004, 01:54:30 PM
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:blah:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 19, 2004, 03:01:51 PM
pitiful, i expect more from you.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 19, 2004, 03:29:26 PM
wow, your echoing me now!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 19, 2004, 05:58:13 PM
wow, your echoing me now!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: FatalXception on June 19, 2004, 08:59:18 PM
This sure is an entertaining discussion.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: clips on June 20, 2004, 04:24:30 AM
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Originally posted by FatalXception
This sure is an entertaining discussion.


no doubt..a true clashing of tech heads...
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 04:40:04 AM
lol, i love it
;)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: JP on June 20, 2004, 07:22:20 AM
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
mm, don\'t try to get out of it. You may have not directly said it.  You just got caught out not knowing the hardware.  

"why do amd chips need this so called protection?"

The single most dumbest thing i\'ve ever heard you say.  Intel have the same protection, yet you didn\'t know this because of your lame answer to your own question and the fact you even ASKED such a stupid question.

"cause it be cause they run dangerously hot?"

To me this was basically you saying they need it. Intel does not. (not knowing that intel has it)
Most of the board would probably agree too.
Intel use the same thing? why do they have cpu protection?  maybe to protect the cpu lol.


http://www.silentpcreview.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=46&page=2

"In an Intel P4, the thermal diode happens to be near one corner. This is far away, relatively speaking, from the portion of the die that gets hottest when running typical high stress benchmarking tests. The difference between the hottest point and the thermal diode location can exceed 10° C. The heat spreader utilized on P4s is partly an attempt to distribute the heat in the core more evenly."


interesting indeed..


Amen. For once just admit that you\'ve been owned mm. It\'s quite obvious for anyone who reads this thread that you have been.

It\'s not dangerous to admit you\'re wrong once in a while.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 20, 2004, 07:39:31 AM
AMD bites.
Intel Bites.

Go Motorola ! Go Apple!
Anyone wanna argue with me? Eh? Eh? Bring it onnnnn!@
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 09:12:42 AM
JP, when you think you know me, then come talk to me.  otherwise, please continue to spam the off topic forum like normal, thanks
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 20, 2004, 12:11:07 PM
JP, it\'ll never happen.  mm has been owned far worse than this before and he will never admit being wrong, so just ignore him.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 12:18:33 PM
it\'s fabulous that after all thse years, i can still kite you guys around like a champ
:P
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 20, 2004, 12:44:58 PM
mm hasn\'t been owned.. he was just joking after all :rolleyes:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 20, 2004, 12:48:56 PM
spudz must have been joking all these times too
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 01:35:24 PM
compare me to spudz again and i WILL sick clyde on you

he\'s vicous when not fed for a few days
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: PSX_J on June 20, 2004, 01:46:20 PM
I dont know enough to say who is right but it\'s clear as day that Soulgrind and nvidia are putting up much better arguments.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 20, 2004, 02:27:59 PM
you\'re wrong[/mm mode]
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 20, 2004, 02:34:35 PM
theomen, when you think you know mm, then come talk like him. otherwise, please continue to spam the off topic forum like normal, thanks  [/mm mode]
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: PSX_J on June 20, 2004, 02:54:41 PM
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Originally posted by theomen
you\'re wrong[/mm mode]


Smart ass with only works for so long theomen, it doesnt take  much of a clue to realise he has nothing to back himself on.  Soulgrind and nvidia are actually making an effort and trying not to resort to nonsense.

You have to call it as you see it.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 04:07:23 PM
who\'s arguing?

i tell them facts, they put words in my mouth

intel > amd
rediculous to think otherwise
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 20, 2004, 04:10:05 PM
figures speak louder then words ehh.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 20, 2004, 04:23:13 PM
I think mm mistakes sales figures for quality, in his mind the Ford Focus must trump Mercedes\' entire fleet
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 04:23:58 PM
comparing the number of wood chips it takes to buy a budget cpu vs the most expensive intel chip you can possibly find is hardly "figures"

theomen
<---- offtopic forum is that way
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 20, 2004, 04:38:37 PM
Theres that uneducation talking....  "budget"  uh-huh
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 20, 2004, 05:56:23 PM
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intel > amd
rediculous to think otherwise


How so? Please provide us with a more elaborate reason, where listening.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 20, 2004, 06:15:57 PM
we\'re

my time is precious, you go fetch

souly, ?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 20, 2004, 06:41:17 PM
fetch... how bout u prove otherwise. Can\'t huh?
thought so.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 20, 2004, 06:49:40 PM
your time is precious?  What, are there other forums where you post in and try to bullshit the members into believing you are the end all expert in every field of media and technology?  If so, please don\'t let us stop you from spreading the wealth, procede and inform those who might actually be able to think for themselves and are able to actually create a rationally thought out argument that lasts longer than 3 words.

*gives mm a hug as he probably wasn\'t loved as a child ;)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 21, 2004, 03:09:32 AM
never  said i was expert in this thread, never claimed to be anything actually

yet another example of you making shit up

souly, i dun have to fetch cause im the one that make the right choice
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 21, 2004, 03:37:37 AM
uh-huh...  So you decided what the "right choice" is for everyone?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 21, 2004, 03:45:24 AM
unless you want a budget CPU and a grant to make excuses , yeah
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: QuDDus on June 21, 2004, 06:27:52 AM
really does not matter. Souly can fight the good fight for Amd all he wants in here. Intel still owns there ass and I don\'t see things changing anytime soon.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 21, 2004, 12:43:00 PM
I\'m still just scratching my head on how mm calls the latest AMD processors a budget choice. They may be cheaper then intels lineup but they\'re hardly at budget costs.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 21, 2004, 02:29:06 PM
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Intel still owns there ass


 Technologically NO, Financially YES!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 21, 2004, 06:09:08 PM
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Originally posted by QuDDus
really does not matter. Souly can fight the good fight for Amd all he wants in here. Intel still owns there ass and I don\'t see things changing anytime soon.


(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.planetcomm.net%2Fltaylor%2Fpics%2Fyoure_wrong.jpg&hash=32060304d2a0fb00f68b326eefa952958c957819)

;)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 21, 2004, 09:18:12 PM
where\'d u find that mm pic?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 21, 2004, 09:45:17 PM
on the mm website http://www.yourwrong.com and the mirror site http://www.imnottelling-golookitup.com
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 22, 2004, 03:21:44 AM
same place he found the souly pic in his underwear :)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 22, 2004, 09:52:51 AM
I couldn\'t post the other pics of souly....they were "artistic"
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 22, 2004, 03:38:34 PM
why are you holding my pics mm?    you got a little secret?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 22, 2004, 03:55:49 PM
no secret
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: ooseven on June 24, 2004, 01:58:36 AM
Well seeing that my Athlon 2800+ runs at just over 2000

Intel >>>>>>>>>>AMD

:(

God dman you AMD !
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 02:39:42 AM
Errrr, although its lower in mhz rate. It runs at a higher clock cycle.

Basically they name them 2800+ to match the equally clocked P4 Chip (2.8mhz) etc.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 03:12:01 AM
:laughing:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 06:47:51 AM
:rolleyes:




i had a reply here.  But i can\'t be f@#ked..
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 24, 2004, 03:48:15 PM
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Well seeing that my Athlon 2800+ runs at just over 2000

Intel >>>>>>>>>>AMD


Interesting, I would imagine that most people whom actually investigate this example would immediately realize how completely flawed it is. If AMD can engineer a CPU that can calculate more instructions per clock cycle then there competitor. (hence more efficient = more powerful) then how does the Intel chip rank above the AMD performance wise?

The only way I can understand your view of this is because you have fallen prelude to Marketing terms. MHZ can be quantitative in many different fascists. Intel has there measured speed to MHZ scale while AMD uses another since they have a more efficient chip.  Matter of Fact Intel has just started to adopt AMD\'s PR rating system, and will in the next 6-12 months drop there old MHZ scale.

SO I would conclusively say as it stands in this time and space

 
[SIZE=8]AMD[/SIZE]>Intel
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 03:51:52 PM
learned how to do color and size tags, eh?

so proud i am

oh, and nice copy and paste
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 24, 2004, 03:58:36 PM
LOL, LOL, LOL my god you are pathetic mm you truly are. Ok everyone take paragraphs of my text do a Google search and see if you come up with anything. I beg mm to try and fish around, you will find nothing.

This is the 4th time you have accused me of cutting and pasting, and may I mention each time you never provided a shred of proof just like you aren’t going to do now.

Remember mm, Assumptions are the mother of all
 F##K-Ups

Pwned!!!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 03:59:42 PM
nice try kid, fish on

and lol, you said "pwned"
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 24, 2004, 04:11:02 PM
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and lol, you said "pwned"


http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33416&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
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The above link has you quoted, using that exact term to me in another thread. You and I both know what it means it\'s an internet term used instead of Owned, especially in Multiplayer games. pfff-owned

SO nice try again mm,  double Pwned!


PS. You fish on, I’m not the one making accusations I can\'t back up.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 24, 2004, 04:18:54 PM
I have several reasons why mm is wrong and will always be wrong, butI can\'t be bothered to post it.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 04:29:57 PM
me saying it two months ago, and you saying it now?  :rolleyes:

shouldnt you be trolling offtopic, theomen?

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you copy and paste enough shit here off of nvnews, try there


lol, i love search
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 24, 2004, 04:43:24 PM
So DO I , to bad you never did one, instead you pasted a quote you made in the thread I linked above. http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33416&perpage=25&pagenumber=1Really, why don\'t you prove it, instead of sitting here on your ass, as if your some kind of king on a grandiose trip. Just shows how pathetic you are.

 Interesting enough if you read further down after that quote

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quote: Originally posted by mm
you copy and paste enough shit here off of nvnews, try there
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Originally posted by Nvidia256
Really, why don\'t you prove it, instead of sitting here on your ass, as if your some kind of king on a grandiose trip. Just shows how pathetic you are.


Yet you never provided the evidence, Instead you tried to weasel your way out of it, like you are doing now.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 04:53:49 PM
no, im blantantly taunting you

and you fall for it, everytime

it\'s YOUR job to fish for facts and evidence
it\'s MY job to make you get more, and then more, and then more

catching on yet?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: NVIDIA256 on June 24, 2004, 04:59:31 PM
Yes I am, let me sum it up.

mm=FUD
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 05:01:35 PM
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mindspring.com%2F%7Erj2%2Fsmilies%2Fblah.gif&hash=8c322b90d7de82b5682e5fcd58b7a17783cfd2c1)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 24, 2004, 05:07:35 PM
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.planetcomm.net%2Fltaylor%2Fpics%2Fthisiswhat.gif&hash=f1529352a1add1eda7a5d2cce94386c2b5d8a022)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 05:12:53 PM
ohh well, mm can\'t back himself up. Thats cool.  He never to quick when it came to hardware.

If so, proove it.

thought so.  ;)
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 05:12:55 PM
haha, i bet you were so excited to post that

:jack:

i dun have to prove anything, souly
i put my time in
hows the tech bench?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: theomen on June 24, 2004, 05:14:31 PM
a little bit, only a half chub though
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 05:15:09 PM
k, points awarded
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 05:16:41 PM
well, the time your putting in isn\'t working.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 05:19:17 PM
sure, it is

my salary is (converted to AU currency) 9423907 wood chips
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 05:20:33 PM
Thats a lot of wood chips. You could buy a whole lotta nothing.  You must be proud.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 05:27:55 PM
no points for you, btw
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 05:28:38 PM
my life is over.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 24, 2004, 05:29:44 PM
well, you do live in oz
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 24, 2004, 05:34:05 PM
Oz doesn\'t have any gun probs like usa amongst other things.

Dodge any bullets today? any Indians try to scalp you?

The abbos are in NT.  You wouldn\'t know where that is, with your american education system and all.
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: politiepet on June 25, 2004, 03:59:35 AM
mm: I\'m right, the rest of the world is wrong, they are just being ignorant....
:rolleyes:
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: mm on June 25, 2004, 01:57:19 PM
you get lost on the way to spamming offtopic forum?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: PS2_-'_'-_PS2 on June 26, 2004, 04:13:41 PM
this is brilliant!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 26, 2004, 05:37:34 PM
how so?
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: Avatarr on June 26, 2004, 06:52:13 PM
I remember when me and Souly had a tiff at another place that\'s now dead. It was purdy damn stupid. Stop it you two!
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: clips on June 26, 2004, 07:08:17 PM
well they\'re just spamming now..it was actually pretty funny a couple of pages back..
Title: AMD throws some mud at Intel!
Post by: QuDDus on June 26, 2004, 07:39:16 PM
Everytime MM post I expect Ashton Kutcher to run in and say you just got punked.

or maybe this is that other mtv show boiling points.