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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Black Samurai on June 19, 2004, 08:58:06 AM
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Taken from The Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040615-055649-4707r.htm)
Beirut, Lebanon, Jun. 15 (UPI) -- Iran reportedly is readying troops to move into Iraq if U.S. troops pull out, leaving a security vacuum.
The Saudi daily Al-Sharq al-Awsat, monitored in Beirut, reports Iran has massed four battalions at the border.
Al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted "reliable Iraqi sources" as saying, "Iran moved part of its regular military forces towards the Iraqi border in the southern sector at a time its military intelligence agents were operating inside Iraqi territory."
I wonder why this isn\'t getting any coverage?
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oh damn, US vs. Iran? not good.
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Hmm, not good.
Btw, have you heard the "conspiracy" saying Iran was a factor behind US going in? Apparently (if you believe the conspiracy) Iranian intelligence spread false info about Iraq and its WMD. The reason they did this was to get a pro-Iran Shia Muslim rule in Iraq.
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Well, that sounds like it could have reasonably happened, especially with this news of Iranian forces at the border.
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i don\'t know what to take from that..could be they are just protecting they\'re boarders..or possibly provide some type of protection for the iraq\'s if the u.s. decide to pull out...there\'s no way iran would be that stupid to invade iraq after the u.s. pull out..
and like i said previously the u.s. isn\'t goin anywhere as long as it\'s chaotic..transfer of power or not...
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Actually, Iran could be really smart.
If iran did provide false info, they knew we\'d go to war. They knew we wouldn\'t find anything, they knew bush would lose popularity. Now, if bush is not elected, they may be able to invade iraq. And as much as I support kerry, he will be a lot less harsh. They could even get away with it.
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Yeah that might be, but don\'t you think it would be a little early considering the election isn\'t for another 5 months and that Bush might still win.
Was there a link to this, it sounds like if we leave, Iran will come in and clean house? How is that bad for us?
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It\'s not directly bad, but it would prove that we totaly ****ed up the region.
But I still doubt this will happen.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Yeah that might be, but don\'t you think it would be a little early considering the election isn\'t for another 5 months and that Bush might still win.
Was there a link to this, it sounds like if we leave, Iran will come in and clean house? How is that bad for us?
a country comin in to take over another country is a definite no no..who knows what iran intentions will be? if that\'s the case we should have never helped kuwait back in 91...
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Yes, but another US war against a country as powerful as Iran will not sit well with the US public at all. Costs much to hight, money and life wise.
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A battalion is how many?
800-1200 men or something (in Sweden at least)?
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Iran is not powerful... to the US anyway. Our military is ranked first in the world and at the time of the first Gulf War Iraq\'s was ranked fourth - what does that tell you?
On the other hand, I agree the US can not wage another offensive war at this time as our military would be stretched too thin. However, the US would never allow Iran to occupy Iraq.
As for the battalion question - US battalions range from 600-800 in strength.
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Giga, i think they\'d put up a better fight then Iraq did. When we invaded Iraq, there was a lot of anti-saddam iraqis. Iran has a lot more loyal fighters.
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and iraq had virtually no army...in a straight up fight the u.s. would win..just like how they did iraq..it\'s the post war that would probably give them problems..(as seen in iraq)..which mostly has to do with enemies hiding within civilian areas..mosques & such..
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Is there any difference with the people of Iraq and Iran?
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I\'d imagine Iranian population would be much more religious generally. Since it IS a religious state and all.
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One other factor is that the only "ally" Iraq had was France(if you even want to call them an ally) Iran on the other hand is fairly tight with Russia.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Iran is not powerful... to the US anyway. Our military is ranked first in the world and at the time of the first Gulf War Iraq\'s was ranked fourth - what does that tell you?
Who were the three above us?
I do think that Iran has the potential to invade if Kerry is elected. But would we go in and fight Iran back? If we did, it would be a quick fight.
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Iraq was fourth, not US.
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You can imagine Russia and China fits in there somewhere, but the order is questionable. I would imagine the might of the Russian military to be more powerful then that of the Chinese, but the Chinese do have the sheer numbers. But what do massive amounts of troops matter when it comes to cluster bombs? What does the world\'s largest airforce matter when we can shoot them out of the sky with satellite guided missiles before they\'re even within visual contact?
It\'s funny really -- our military strength is dependant upon the might of our technology which is far superior to any nation in the world. It\'s the only reason why, as of now, we can function on a military power base that\'s comprised of volunteers only. I don\'t know how much of a chance Iran stands against us without the aide of Russia. Let us not forget that much of our military holds back a great deal due to our need to make this war as free of civilian casualties as possible. If our military were to be totaly unleashed on the Iranian army near a border of Iraq deserted of a civilian populace, just what do you think would happen? Do you honestly think Iraq put up such little resistance simply because we drove them back to Baghdad in \'91?
All of Saddam\'s forces were stationed outside of the cities for this war and we had our way with them. It wasn\'t even a contest, but those are the things you don\'t see on TV. The only thing we saw was that one video of an Apache mulling through two men and two vehicles at a roadside and they were totaly decimated with little more then a large machinegun. Imagine 10 Apache helicopters with laser guided missiles, imagine A-10 warthogs flying overhead in waves of ten armed with cluster bombs, napalm, and bunker busters. These are weapons that bring five, even twenty times the destructive force of one vulcan cannon.
It\'s frightening what we can do. This little skirmish in Iraq has proven only one thing in my opinion about our military might -- we can show great mercy, patience, and resolve.
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I thought we liked killing babies.
mmmmmmm uranium...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5235553/
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GigaShadow: Thanks, well four battalions is not alot then.
Info on Iran military:
Armed forces growth: -16%
Armed forces personnel: 513,000 (8th largest, China is number 1, USA is number 3)
(per capita): 7.51 per 1000 people
Manpower - availability (males age 15-49): 20,343,063 (2003 est.)
Manpower - fit for military service (males age 15-49): 12,094,551 (2003 est.)
Weapon holdings: 5,901,000 (14th largest, USA is number 1 and China number 2.)
WMD Biological: There is very little publicly available information to determine whether Iran is pursuing a biological weapon program. Although Iran acceded to the Geneva Protocol in 1929 and ratified the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BWC) in 1973, the U.S. government believes Iran began biological weapon efforts in the early to mid-1980s, and that it continues to pursue an offensive biological weapon program linked to its civilian biotechnology activities. The United States alleges that Iran may have started to develop small quantities of agent, possibly including mycotoxins, ricin, and the smallpox virus. Iran strongly denies acquiring or producing biological weapons.
WMD Chemical: There is limited open-source information available concerning Iran\'s chemical weapons program. Although Iran ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) in November 1997, the United States believes that Iran has maintained a chemical weapons program since 1984, including production of sarin, mustard, phosgene, and hydrocyanic acid. According to U.S. government estimates, Iran can produce 1,000 metric tons of agent per year and may have a stockpile of at least several thousand metric tons of weaponized and bulk agent. Iran strongly denies acquiring or producing chemical weapons.
WMD Missile: Iran possesses one of the largest missile inventories in the Middle East and has acquired complete missile systems and developed an infrastructure to build missiles indigenously. It has purchased North Korean Scud-Bs, Scud-Cs, and Nodong ballistic missiles. Meanwhile, Iran has also developed short-range artillery rockets and is producing the Scud-B and the Scud-C—called the Shehab-1 and Shehab-2, respectively. Iran recently flight-tested the 1,300km-range Shehab-3, which is based on the North Korean Nodong. The Shehab-3 is capable of reaching Israel. Following this most recent flight-test, the Shehab-3 was placed in service and revolutionary guard units were officially armed with the missiles. There are conflicting reports about the development of even longer-ranged missiles, such as the Shehab-4 and the Kosar intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). U.S. intelligence agencies assess that barring acquisition of a complete system or major subsystem from North Korea, Iran is unlikely to launch an ICBM or satellite launch vehicle (SLV) before mid-decade.
WMD Nuclear: Iran possesses five research reactors and two partially constructed power reactors at Bushehr. It acceded to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) in 1970. In the mid-1970s, Iran initiated a nuclear power program, though there are reports that it also began a small nuclear weapon research program at the same time. The 1979 revolution ended all nuclear efforts until 1984, when Iran revived the nuclear power program and reportedly began covert procurement for a nuclear weapon program.
Taken from Nationmaster.com
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Thanks for the info Fastson.
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hmmm..if they are going to go to war maybe they\'re still swoll from when we helped iraq back in the 80\'s..i highly doubt it tho...
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So, is Iran our ally now or what?
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No, Iran doesn\'t like us, but they haven\'t been very hostile towards us either. They are more isolated then the other countries, but a lot of suspicioun about there weapon programs.
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Hmm, check this (old but..).
http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2004/june/06_16_3.html
Iran has launched the establishment of an army
of suicide bombers.
Iranian officials and media reports said the Islamic republic has drafted more than 10,000 would-be suicide bombers over the last few weeks. They said young Iranians, including seminary students, have signed up to become suicide attackers against targets in such places as Chechnya, Iraq, Israel and Europe.
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"In a world in which the weak are downtrodden and we are exposed to various threats, we can not defend our dignity without focusing our attention to our defense buildup," Iranian President Mohammed Khatami said during a tour of military facilities on June 13. "Access to knowledge and technical know-how in the military and non-military arenas is the prerequisite for safeguarding our achievements."
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^^^y\'know all these guys recruitin suicide bombers...need to practice what they preach..if you\'re ready to die for the cause, strap a couple of bombs to YOUR ass and do it! F**kin\' cowards!
and the idiots that sign up for it are mindless sheep...nowhere in islam does it say to practice such actions...
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Isn\'t Islam supposed to be the religion of peace?
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I think all religions are religions of peace. :)
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Isn\'t Islam supposed to be the religion of peace?
Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
I think all religions are religions of peace. :)
Perhaps but all religions have their rotten bananas.
The world should have me as the role model, religious free! :D
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If the whole world became athiest, there would be no problems with religious wars and crap like that :) God bless athiests :D
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Then it would be hatred based on race and culture. As long as people are different some will always find reasons to hate them.
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The whole world should be ruled by America...
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Originally posted by Ashford
The whole world should be ruled by America...
Yes. And I want to be America\'s Dictator. :p
Three day weekends and add Gran Turismo as an Olympic event! :p
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040621/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_british_ships&cid=540&ncid=716
Iran has an army...
Doh.. A navy... heh
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Originally posted by videoholic
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040621/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_british_ships&cid=540&ncid=716
Iran has an army...
Thread on that incident is here:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=34074
:)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Yes. And I want to be America\'s Dictator. :p
Don\'t be rediculous. 10 members of this board will try and assassinate you in the first 5 minutes of your reign :)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Thread on that incident is here:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=34074
:)
No freaking clue how it happened, but that thread was not here when I posted that. Stupid Mac must not have refreshed the page or something.