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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Nu on June 24, 2004, 11:54:26 AM
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LINK (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/525/525886p1.html)
New enemies, new bosses, new camera, new weapons, increased difficulty, increased speed...
All free!
If you have Xbox LIVE, anyways. Update might be made available at a later time through the Official Xbox Magazine. Take a look at the screens.
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this opens a whole barrel of monkeys
release game - patch it later
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^^^Just like 99.99999% of the PC games on the market.
I thought you liked PC games.
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ahm...what?Increased difficulty?say that again? :D
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PC gamers are conditioned to it
welcome to our world
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It\'s not really a necessary patch. I beat Ninja Gaiden and thought it was fine. Fast enough, tough enough.. fun enough.
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mm=PC fanboy alert :p
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release game - patch it later
Not true, you purposely perceive it that way causes it M$. For example many Games that have been released on PS2 or say the DC had problems with camera angles or glitches here and there, or certain game elements that were never able to make it into the final release were shelved etc....
Now the Xbox gives its gamers the options or BONUS of being able to add special features to there games, fix certain issues or enhace cettian game play elements. The only way your argument MM can hold up is if M$ allows a game to be released like Ninja Gaden that plays like crap, is riddle with bugs and crippled game play, which then forces them to releases important patches to fix the problems, then and only does your argument have grounds. Yet you forget this is a console (a closed system) not a PC which has a plethora of multiple problems of incompatibility and unsupported buggy hardware etc... It\'s a given PC games require patches for this reason and many others that follow.
You say tomayto and I say TOMATO!
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someone wanna rewrite what NVIDIA wrote coherantly? thanks
if M$ allows a game to be released like Ninja Gaden that plays like crap, is riddle with bugs and crippled game play
wow, your good. just listed 50% of all xbox games
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wow, your good. just listed 50% of all xbox games
you forget to add IMO!
One could easily say the same thing about GC or PS2 games or even PC games mm(actually I sire you would agree that 50% of pc are crap ass junk), so instead of giving an objective opinion you have decided like usual to resort to your blatant biased hatred for M$ and it\'s XBOX console. I mean if Xbox does not tickle your fancy then fine, but you have demonstrated on many occasions your disgust and hatred for the XBOX, so no matter what AAA game is released on the console it\'s has to stink in eyes cause it\'s on XBOX. Any add on features released for the game are Patches in your eyes.
60FPS anyone?
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not hatred, dissapointment
yeah, where\'s my 60 fps on the uber console?
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Are you a graphics whore or something?
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no, i expect 60fps from the uber console?
do i really have to say it again?
oh, and whats the last console game that was 100% truly innovative gameplay.
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oh yeah, there wasnt one
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Originally posted by mm
not hatred, dissapointment
yeah, where\'s my 60 fps on the uber console?
I\'m not sure but I think Ninja Gaiden is 60 fps, even if it\'s not I dare you to find a better looking game on any console.
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w00t!!! one game is 60fps!! and it\'s a cult niche title too!
:rolleyes:
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Hehe.. MM.. do you respect my opinion? :) Well, here goes:
For what it is, a fast-paced melee-weapon action title, Ninja Gaiden is hard to match.
It runs at a constant 60fps with above-average visuals too. Great textures.
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not if you keep calling me MM
:)
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Originally posted by mm
no, i expect 60fps from the uber console?
do i really have to say it again?
oh, and whats the last console game that was 100% truly innovative gameplay.
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oh yeah, there wasnt one
100% might not but there were a few that stood out
I wonder what was the last "oh godly 100%" innovative game you bought on your "state of the art PC".The only thing you keep bragging about is how much PC>console because everything its 60fps at high resolutions yada yada yada.
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did i say PC games are innovative anywhere?
instead of answering the question, you instantly attack the PC platform
classic
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Stop complaining then :rolleyes:
Has anyone mentioned 100% innovative games on consoles?
No.
You tried to change the direction of the discussion since you couldnt bring arguements
Classic
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There were no technical problems with Ninja Gaiden... There\'s nothing that needs to be fixed... This isn\'t a patch. It\'s an optional expansion.
How the hell did this turn into yet another discussion about 60fps?
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The same way the Halo 2 thread got derailed, mm posted a reply.
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:laughing: nice diagnosis ;)
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I think old mm is inching into the spudz and ps2_girl area of being a right jackass. Seems as though no one can have any type of discussion without mm spurting out his bovine fecal matter, and then supporting his argument with absolute nothing. Oh well, what can you do?
*makes use of ignore option
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look back and see if i mentioned 60fps first. i wouldn\'t have brought it up, but good ol\' NVIDIA did
you cant ignore me
funny a guy that makes posts liks "i eat poop" says this
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I may make humerous posts but I don\'t go around and constantly bad mouth whatever other members are posting. Someone can post they like a certain movie and you will come in and belittle them, they could post something about computer hardware and you will argue with them with possibly the weakest arguments I have ever seen in my life. If someone posts anything in console debating about microsoft you\'ll tell them they are wrong, and while doing so contradicting yourself numerous times. Quite frankly, if you can\'t see what people are talking about in yourself I honestly pitty you. You need to lighten up, get some friends get laid, see a profesional about this manicdepressive shit or just end it all.
*last post responding to mm, I may not be able to put him on my ignore list but I sure as hell don\'t have to read his posts
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you WILL reead my posts
/wiggles fingers
oh, and im adding a spellchecker to the forum, just for you
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it wouldn\'t be the same \'ol mm if he didn\'t argue or interject in threads..:p
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Originally posted by mm
you WILL reead my posts
/wiggles fingers
oh, and im adding a spellchecker to the forum, just for you
reead?
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mm you are NOT perfect, you are NOT a God and therefore you cant be always right or better than others.Your arrogance reduces your credibility you previously had.
Besides.True knowledge comes when you know that you know nothing.
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didn\'t say i was perfect, did i?
and thanks boz, can scanning my posts for any typos you might fiind
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Didnt say you said you are perfect.Just get the point.
Hey what about God? :p
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didn\'t say that eitherr
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OH MY F*CKING GOD A TYPO!! :p
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Doesn\'t MM stand for Michael Moore?
Oh and Halo 2 won\'t reach 60 FPS
HA HA. Eat that fanboy.
ehm..
eh?
With that said, I think it\'ll be an excellent download. I still need to finish the game tho\'.
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Well, I just finished the game today and here are my thoughts on the game and this new download..
First off, I think Tecmo done an overall excellent job bringing the series to the 3D Realm. I was not looking forward to it at all, but I found myself compelled to keep playing, due to the fast, hectic gameplay... Speaking of the fast hectic gameplay, sometime the game did seem cheap,m namely the Helicopter Boss and certain enemies...
With all that said, my thoughts on the download are simple... Fan\'friggin\'tastic. It is not a patch in the sense they are patching problems or glitches. Yes, it is a new camera system, due to fans complaining, but the old camera system was functional. The rest the stuff, more enemies, more weapons, more Ninpo and a faster enigine are all just great additions. I will be more than compelled to go through the game again once the download is released.
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thats strange.mm stopped posting :p
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^Maybe he finally got a clue:rolleyes:
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:laughing:
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no, just lost my interestt
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You might want to add a punctuation hack too mm. ;)
I mean, if you\'re going to b!tch about spelling. Then punctuation surely must be on your b!tching list, try using it.
ps, i don\'t care about spelling or punctuation. So i really don\'t give a toss like half the forum if it\'s used right or not. It\'s the attack of a forum troll that has nothing to back themself up with.
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All mm said was this will lead to patches, and there\'s certainly a good chance of that.
I\'m surprised they\'re adding difficulty, and I\'m surprised people made it to the end. I only tried the game at a friend\'s once and it took me a bazillion lives just to beat the horse back dudes.
-Dan
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Well, Dan, I guess that is what seperates the men from the boys, other than the fact my testicles have dropped and your\'s apparently have not. :D j/k
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My story with the game is very long. The fact is I haven\'t bought the game yet, I have been borrowing Capcom\'s, an extended borrow, since maybe the day it came out. I cussed a lot during this game, there is no doubt about it. I can\'t count how many times I died during a certain boss that was a helicopter (hmm, Helicopter...and I got a bow with CORE Arrows..eh..*chant*.. "one lucky run, one lucky run, is all I need...
") . I gave up once due to a certain insane wall run / jump / wall run/ jump area - Thank\'s a lot to Capcom for making that jump, when I had given up on the game... And I let out plenty of screams of anger and depression due to a certain bitch who wouldn\'t stay dead (Note: Reoccuring bosses are a bitch). Through it all though, twenty three hours later, I saw the brief ending and felt happy.... for the moment, that is until I realized I had not unlocked the original \'Ninja Gaiden\' (one of my all time favorites) and 1.1 was on it\'s way...Now I am back to hating my life and pushing myself through the game again.
Seriously though, the game is hard there is no debating that fact. It is cheap sometimes, yes, but for the most part the game is a blast to play through to the end. And like any good game, I can walk away with stories about it. Sure most the stories will be filled with choice words like "mother f**ker" and "cheap ass", but overall, I kept coming back, because when I wasn\'t dying, I was doin\' great and having a blast...Though I am not sure I will be able to say the same with smarter AI and a faster engine, as I thought the game was plenty fast enough, but maybe I am just getting old
In Brief:
You\'ll get your game back one day, Capcom.
1.1. makes my nipples hard.
I\'m Alma\'s Bitch.
I have a love / hate relationship with this game. I love it when I\'m in my zen state, I hate it when I see the words "Game Over" more than twenty times in a row.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
All mm said was this will lead to patches, and there\'s certainly a good chance of that.
Is there?
Prior to the Xbox\' release, people were saying that the console simply having a HDD would lead to patches.
Now, here we are, with a good year or two until the system\'s run is over, and offering an expansion(which has been done in other subtle ways for other Xbox titles, like MechAssault, mind you) is cause for worry about developers getting lazy with their projects and releasing patches through LIVE after release?
I don\'t think the chances of that happening are all that high.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It is cheap sometimes
How?
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I hope you are not trying to defend it being cheap sometimes. Hello? Black Ninja\'s who can throw exploding stars. People with RPG\'s? Helicopter battle with bow & arrows? You can\'t argue it was cheap sometimes, but for the most part, it was a great game.
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Uhm... Yeah, I am.
If it was cheap, I\'d still be getting caught by those exploding shuriken over and over, I\'d be put in situations where there would be no possible way for me to escape from the exploding shuriken and their constant assault. But I can take care of those Black Ninjas without losing a smidge of health because I adapted, adjusted.
I really don\'t find Ninja Gaiden difficult. It\'s just challenging, you\'re actually forced to improve your combat skills as the game progresses. I didn\'t find any of the enemies cheap.
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I think you mistake me for someone who did not like the game ? :confused:
As for "adapting, adjusting". Why bother? Almost every enemy, including bosses can be beat with either the \'Helmet Splitter\' or \'Flying Swallow\'. Those two attacks can you get you through the game for the most part.
Another argument about it being cheap is the damage ratio. Are you telling me you think it is fair that one attack can take over 50 percent of a large life bar and in the meantime, your level three Izuma is barely doing any damage on that boss? Need an example of this? The Fire Dragon and his bite.
I liked the game a lot, but I was always wondering if a cheap enemy was goin\' to do in me in the end. Worried so much that at the end, I sat there and killed the "ghost fish" until I had 99,999 yellow orbs. I had maxed the orb amount out and went to Mursama\'s and bought everything I could with that amount. I never felt confident that my skills could beat anything in sight. Why was I like that? Because there was plenty of cheap moments in the game.
/hugs Nu. No hard feelings, I just disagree..
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It\'s the attack of a forum troll that has nothing to back themself up with.
themself isn\'t a word, souly
nice try, btw. points awarded
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add a space or change to themselves.... whatever floats your boat.
no points awarded. btw.
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Seriously LIC. I find it sad that game developers are getting lazy. When an enemy can unfairly take half your health bar away with one hit, it doesn\'t automatically means it\'s challenging, it means it\'s stupid.
I have no problem with the ninjas btw, they are fun. The bosses are just so whack though. Same boring attacks that are just switched up, just so happens a couple foul moves means ur dead. The ninjas are more spontaneous and unpredicatable.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I think you mistake me for someone who did not like the game ? :confused:
No, it\'s not that at all.
As for "adapting, adjusting". Why bother? Almost every enemy, including bosses can be beat with either the \'Helmet Splitter\' or \'Flying Swallow\'. Those two attacks can you get you through the game for the most part.
But... But that\'s boring. :(
Another argument about it being cheap is the damage ratio. Are you telling me you think it is fair that one attack can take over 50 percent of a large life bar and in the meantime, your level three Izuma is barely doing any damage on that boss? Need an example of this? The Fire Dragon and his bite.
I liked the game a lot, but I was always wondering if a cheap enemy was goin\' to do in me in the end. Worried so much that at the end, I sat there and killed the "ghost fish" until I had 99,999 yellow orbs. I had maxed the orb amount out and went to Mursama\'s and bought everything I could with that amount. I never felt confident that my skills could beat anything in sight. Why was I like that? Because there was plenty of cheap moments in the game.
/hugs Nu. No hard feelings, I just disagree..
S\'all good.
I think I just have a different perception of what "cheap" is. An enemy that uses attacks that causes damage you simply can\'t avoid... Like, Jin\'s JF Unblockable in Tekken 4, for example. With the enemies in Ninja Gaiden, there are always ways to defeat an enemy without taking damage, always methods of taking them down effortly.
I still say it\'s more challenging(like, Ikaruga challenging! *nod, nod*) than flat out difficult.
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If its the move I think you are talking about in T4 you can counter it
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You can\'t counter that unblockable but you can SS it. Jin\'s Laser Cannon JF (b,f+2,1, *d+2) is so dumb, but people who\'ve been playing for a while can get out of it now.
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Oh? Well, that\'s what I get for staying away from TZ, I guess. ;) I thought it was still invincible.
Still, you guys get my point. :)
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No, we don\'t, because your whole argument was that the example you provided was "cheap", because you could not avoid it. But you can avoid it.
:D
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Originally posted by THX
You can\'t counter that unblockable but you can SS it. Jin\'s Laser Cannon JF (b,f+2,1, *d+2) is so dumb, but people who\'ve been playing for a while can get out of it now.
ok I never understood the button pressing in Tekken Zaibatsu so i dont understand which move that is from the letters :p.I put in T4 and checked the command list just now to see which it was.
The move is Laser Annihilator.Thats the one I was talking about.Its easily avoidable.No reason to sidestep it.Actually its extremely dump how many people dont know how to counter it.There is a certain pause between the second punch and the last unblockable one.
Do you know how I counter that move?It will seem stupid but that time frame between the second punch and the last gives me enough time to press the punch button and hit Jin thus canceling the last punch. :laughing:
edit:Actually you can hit him with a lot more ways than just a punch
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oh i see what u mean, counter in the tekken world usually means reversal, and you can\'t reverse an unblockable.
What\'s fun is sidestepping out of Lei\'s non-delayed rush punches. There\'s a way you can do it if you let yourself get hit on the 3rd punch.
ninja gaiden pwns!
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
No, we don\'t, because your whole argument was that the example you provided was "cheap", because you could not avoid it. But you can avoid it.
:D
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Wait, no, isn\'t the JF inescapable if the the start of the Laser Cannon is a counter-hit?
* Nu wins!
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There were no technical problems with Ninja Gaiden... There\'s nothing that needs to be fixed... This isn\'t a patch. It\'s an optional expansion.
The camera did present problems in lots of instances particularly those that required precise jumping. At times even, in the smaller rooms, the angle was just too stupidly handled especially when taking on loads of enemies. Don\'t get me wrong though as that\'s my only complaint against the game really and everything else was plenty likeable. I especially like the fact that the game will be even faster then before. That\'s a big plus in my opinion.
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I will say the camera was frustrating in parts, though I am not so sure I want an even faster Ninja Gaiden.
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When it comes to action, shooting, and fighting games, speed is the key in my book. I used to play Street Fighter Alpha 2 at max speed and you have the game on many platforms so you can go test out that insanity any time you wish to see how crazy fast I like it on max difficulty. You don\'t know how sad it made me to see in later iterations of the Street Fighter series that feature removed. Even Street Fighter III Third Strike can\'t be adjusted speed wise.
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To a certain degree, I agree. The other part of me knows that my skills are rusted and I won\'t be able to keep up without tons and tons of practice.
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Originally posted by THX
oh i see what u mean, counter in the tekken world usually means reversal, and you can\'t reverse an unblockable.
What\'s fun is sidestepping out of Lei\'s non-delayed rush punches. There\'s a way you can do it if you let yourself get hit on the 3rd punch.
ninja gaiden pwns!
seems we ment different things with the same word :p
Although I managed to reverse Paul\'s unblockable punch once in TTT in the arcades.Which I think it\'s strange
I didnt know it was feasible to side step Lei\'s rush punches.Thats something I ve got to try :)
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ah I think you\'re right, my mind is aging. I remember doing Law\'s b+1+2 punch parry setup to Paul\'s unblockable.
Crazy how it gets so deep.
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u can reverse or counter unblockables.. i do it all the time.
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And who are you supposed to be?The Tekken master? :p
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Don\'t start a penis war, I hate to see handsome fellas such as yourselves arguing about videogames. :wedge:
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In fact, countering unblockables is far more powerful than countering regular moves!
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*cough* This is a thread about Ninja Gaiden *cough*
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Ninja Gaiden?Whats Ninja Gaiden? :p
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Originally posted by Unicron!
And who are you supposed to be?The Tekken master? :p
Obviously someone who knows more then you. If u have trouble reversing unblockables. You reversed pauls once, wow. :rolleyes:
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Rarely friends try that one since I always manage to hit them before they manage to execute it.Not to mention the stupid CPU :p
If I make the CPU use that move in practice mode I will be able to reverse it.....OK? :D
btw: I was j/k in my previous post.Not trying to be offensive or anything or arrogant.Actually I wouldnt find it strange if you are a lot better than I am :)
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Np. :) My Mates and I call it a sucker punch/kick. Sense you\'d have to be a sucker to get hit by one. I personally prefer to reverse unblockables rather then parrying or countering them. They lose far more damage. If you can, get behind them, leaves em open for a can of whoop ass too.
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Yep.Also the perfect chance to start juggling. :)
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So... Did anybody snag the update? It came out this weekend. Game\'s definitely tougher, Lunar(Bo weapon) is a great addition, and the extra costumes are great.
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It\'s...to..hard..now.
Nipno costs to much.
To hard..
Spider Ninja\'s have a grab move.
Lunar is cool.
Outfits are cool.
It\'s hard now.
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Ninja Gaiden Hurrican Pack 2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56719)
Free to owners of the original game, this is the content that the absolute cream of the Ninja crop were tackling in the final rounds of the Master Ninja Tournament, and by all accounts it\'s tougher than a granite Roy Keane, despite stocking you up with fearsome tools right from the get-go.
Did anyone get this yet?
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No interest. I got Hurricane Pack 1 , and despite the great enhancements, they made a frustrating game even more frustrating. There is no way in hell I will bother with hurricane Pack 2.
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I had fun with Hurricane Pack 1, I\'ll have a blast with Hurricane Pack 2. :D