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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on July 01, 2004, 07:04:50 AM
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"I will now ask my assistant, Mr. Michael Moore, to enter into the evidence an enthralling video presentation proving my innocence!" Saddam
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Yeah....headline news everywhere.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
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"I will now ask my assistant, Mr. Michael Moore, to enter into the evidence an enthralling video presentation proving my innocence!" Saddam
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:laughing: That was pretty good Gman. He will probably try and put on a Herman Goering like perfomance like the one at Nuremberg.
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Wow, michael moore must be touching a deep nerve if you have to keep bringing him up like this. ;)
I haven\'t heard Saddam speak today, but he did seem a bit nutty based on the written transcript I read from a wire story. He seemed a little evasive on the invasion of Kuwait.
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I gotta admit that\'s pretty funny.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Wow, michael moore must be touching a deep nerve if you have to keep bringing him up like this. ;)
I haven\'t heard Saddam speak today, but he did seem a bit nutty based on the written transcript I read from a wire story. He seemed a little evasive on the invasion of Kuwait.
Heh...I couldn\'t resist the "8 degrees of seperation" between Saddam and MM. (uh oh....mm = MM? :p )
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"And then I said to the Kuwaitis..."STICK\'EM UP!" :p
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He scrubs up well doesn\'t he?
He only looks half like an intoxicated bum now.
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He lost some weight.. Looks pretty resolute too.
I wonder if he knows he\'s heading for an execution?
For how long will the trails last? The one with Slobodan Milosevic has been going on for ages.
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He knows whats going to happen. On headline news they said he mumbled "this is all theater."
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Any surprise that France and Germany officially oppose his execution?
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Originally posted by fastson
He lost some weight.. Looks pretty resolute too.
It\'s probably all those Big Macs they have been trying to feed him.
*cough*
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Originally posted by ViVi
He knows whats going to happen. On headline news they said he mumbled "this is all theater."
Well he has a point. Few expect him to get a fair trial anyways.
Any surprise that France and Germany officially oppose his execution?
IIRC France and Germany were two of the countries who wanted him to charged in the International Court (Haag?). So, no.
It\'s probably all those Big Macs they have been trying to feed him.
I read he ate his favorite cake every day while he was in "prison". Perhaps McBacon was the only \'real food\' that was on the menu? ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Any surprise that France and Germany officially oppose his execution?
The French govenment can go to hell. I\'m happy with my freedom fries... and does Germany really want ANOTHER a piece of this? Yea what I thought, shut the hell up Doychielandie
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The death penalty is useless in this situation, it will Not deter any countries from breaking international law. The only point of this would be to say "AHAHAHA WE KILLED HIM AHAHA" and I do not believe in that type of pointless revenge.
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"EUREKA! I remembered where my weapons of mass destruction are!"
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Originally posted by ViVi
He knows whats going to happen. On headline news they said he mumbled "this is all theater."
It\'s true. This whole thing is theater and has no real purpose (much like our "war"). He has no chance of a fair trial and this whole case is a mockery of the justice system and international law.
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"Too many mofos overusing my picture in this thread!"
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It\'s true. This whole thing is theater and has no real purpose (much like our "war"). He has no chance of a fair trial and this whole case is a mockery of the justice system and international law.
Ya mean to say he\'s innocent?
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I think these pics are prime candidates for a photochop contest.
Arrrrrrr, it\'s been a while.
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Ya mean to say he\'s innocent?
No, he means that you and everybody else has already decided that he is 100% guilty. And that sorta negates the purpose of having a court system at all...
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
No, he means that you and everybody else has already decided that he is 100% guilty. And that sorta negates the purpose of having a court system at all...
I\'m not trying him. The Iraqis are. And who better to try him than his own people? My opinion has nothing to do with their due process.
He IS guilty, BTW. :p
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Is Bush guilty of warcrimes if civilians are dying in IRAQ, or elsewhere in the world?
We have invaded IRAQ, and pushed out political system on them. Perhaps every country that is not a democracy should be invaded. (uh mean liberated) I am tempted to go into a long rant about how little true freedom this country has, but then the FBI would prob show up on my door.:eek:
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What don\'t you have the freedom to do Capcom? Enlighten us.
The civilians who are dying in Iraq are being killed by their fellow Arabs. Trying to equate Bush to Saddam is nonsense.
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Originally posted by Capcom
Is Bush guilty of warcrimes if civilians are dying in IRAQ, or elsewhere in the world?
We have invaded IRAQ, and pushed out political system on them. Perhaps every country that is not a democracy should be invaded. (uh mean liberated) I am tempted to go into a long rant about how little true freedom this country has, but then the FBI would prob show up on my door.:eek:
War crimes? Like executing or purposely ordering the killing of unarmed civilians? No.
Is Saddam guilty of war crimes (which is what this thread is about), the evidence seems to point that way.
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Bush isn\'t going around ordering the gassing of innocent men, women and children. Bush isn\'t shocking the balls of people he feel are against him (there will be a lot of people with fish that don\'t swim upstream if this were true). Bush only invaded a country whose leaders continueously broke international treaties which were punishable by invasion and was the only leader (besides Britain) with the balls to follow through with the consequences against Iraq for breaking the treaties and crimes against humanity.
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So they have proof he was shocking peoples balls? Remember the prison? Alot was sealed from the American public if memory serves me right. If you want to hold Sadam for every wrongdoing in that country. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Could very well be wrong, but in the part of the world IRAQ is in. It would seem like a suicidal idea to say we have no weapons. When we pull out then they would be open for invasion from another country nearby.
I am not saying he is good guy. He is more than likely a very bad person. It does not make sense to invade a country that was crippled. GW wanted a way in, and 911 gave it to him. Wether there was a connection or not. He was going in because he is paranoid. Sure Sadam did not care for the US, but then again the US hates him. I would almost bet that most of you would pay to see him executed. It does not make sense to me.
So far as ordering the deaths of civilians. I am quite sure I remember news of smart bombs hitting civilian dwellings. Or if you want to go back further in history the bombings of hiroshima or nagasaki.
Originally posted by Titan
Bush isn\'t going around ordering the gassing of innocent men, women and children. Bush isn\'t shocking the balls of people he feel are against him (there will be a lot of people with fish that don\'t swim upstream if this were true). Bush only invaded a country whose leaders continueously broke international treaties which were punishable by invasion and was the only leader (besides Britain) with the balls to follow through with the consequences against Iraq for breaking the treaties and crimes against humanity.
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Originally posted by Capcom
So they have proof he was shocking peoples balls? Remember the prison? Alot was sealed from the American public if memory serves me right. If you want to hold Sadam for every wrongdoing in that country. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
The difference here is that these US prison guards got a bit gung ho. Tell me how these guard\'s actions make Bush Jr guilty? Do you have proof that he ordered these guards to molest these prisoners?
In Saddam\'s case, it was documented that when one person in his administration questioned his tactics, he was chopped up the next day.
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Is that any different than the majority of the countries in that region?
Originally posted by GmanJoe
The difference here is that these US prison guards got a bit gung ho. Tell me how these guard\'s actions make Bush Jr guilty? Do you have proof that he ordered these guards to molest these prisoners?
In Saddam\'s case, it was documented that when one person in his administration questioned his tactics, he was chopped up the next day.
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Originally posted by Capcom
Is that any different than the majority of the countries in that region?
So that\'s okay with you?
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What I am saying is are you prepared to invade every country that does not have the same belief system as us? Besides dictators have a history of being taken care internally.
Originally posted by GmanJoe
So that\'s okay with you?
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This wasn\'t about removing a dictator who tortured his people. The guy made Iraq a threat to the entire region.
Speaking of which... I would bet money that Israel will deal with Iran and their nuclear program. You better believe that if Iran develops a nuke the first thing they will do is use it on Israel.
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North Korea is a threat why don\'t we invade them with that thought process?
No doubt Israel will take care of it\'s own. In middle eastern fashion. Violent
Originally posted by GigaShadow
This wasn\'t about removing a dictator who tortured his people. The guy made Iraq a threat to the entire region.
Speaking of which... I would bet money that Israel will deal with Iran and their nuclear program. You better believe that if Iran develops a nuke the first thing they will do is use it on Israel.
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Why do some think that every situation needs to be handled the same way? GWB named 3 countries in the "Axis of Evil" - Iraq, Iran and N. Korea - seems to me like he was right. Iraq was the most vulnerable so they were dealt with first. My prediction is Iran is next, but like I said the same tactics will most likely not be used. I like the keep em guessing approach personally.
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IMHO N. Korea is off limits because of China. China would not appreciate the US invading so close to it\'s borders. In a way it would be akin to the cuban missle crisis only in reverse. It is probably a safe bet if GW gets the chance to invade IRAN he will. After all it is a small country the US can invade without the fears of them lobbing nukes over at us.
Then again if you follow your reasoning a bit further. Why should we not invade Saudi Arabia? A great deal of money has been and is being funneled from there for terrorism.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why do some think that every situation needs to be handled the same way? GWB named 3 countries in the "Axis of Evil" - Iraq, Iran and N. Korea - seems to me like he was right. Iraq was the most vulnerable so they were dealt with first. My prediction is Iran is next, but like I said the same tactics will most likely not be used. I like the keep em guessing approach personally.
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Originally posted by Capcom
North Korea is a threat why don\'t we invade them with that thought process?
Nukes = #1 deterrent from an invasion
And N. Korea has them.
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Not kept up with N. Korea the way one should, but if memory serves me right. They do not have any nukes that can reach us. It is short range rockets. Besides it seems as if having nukes would make them more of a security risk. Would it not make sense to take care of them first since they are still newbies to the nuke club? Before they have time to stockpile enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. The real reason is probably China which could hit us.
Essentially what I am trying to say is Bush is playing a bully. Given the chance he could very likely be as bad as anything that is over there.
In his presidency the US has given up so many rights in the name of national security this country is not the same. Should there be increased security. Of course! Should we become a country that monitors it\'s own citizens and infringes on civil liberties that as a nation advocate in speach? My guess would be no.
Originally posted by GmanJoe
Nukes = #1 deterrent from an invasion
And N. Korea has them.
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The US will not invade Iran. Our military is already stretched to its maximum capacity and with our current resources we could not successfully occupy Iran. And in reply to your attempt to grasp my reasoning... I didn\'t mention terrorists or terrorism - I mentioned Bush\'s Axis of Evil which is not entirely composed of terrorists.
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Sure we could. Institute the draft. ;)
Originally posted by GigaShadow
The US will not invade Iran. Our military is already stretched to its maximum capacity and with our current resources we could not successfully occupy Iran.
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:laughing:
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I would rather see Bush on trial for his many lies that in the end have equaled American deaths, instead of Saddam, who was running his country. Then again, I would rather them let Saddam lose and take reign of his country again.
-shrugs-
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Originally posted by Capcom
North Korea is a threat why don\'t we invade them with that thought process?
We will. We already have troops stationed in S. Korea just incase. Besides, last I heard, N. Korea was willing to bargain a bit with us (doubt it will work). They are opening up more to us. Besides, we may be big bad America but we can\'t fight two major wars at once. A lot of our military force is in Iraq. We won\'t be able to afford financially and militarily two wars. When we finish with Iraq, we go to N. Korea. I think we should have delt with N. Korea first. They admit they have a nuke. They really have no means to deliver it though. They are a thread with a nuke but not as great as people think. When they get a long range bomber that is able to slip by (the Soviet Bears I\'m sure they have will be shot down immediately. That turboprop long range bomber isn\'t THAT fast).
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We will not invade North Korea, unless they let us.
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I could care less about the trial, but Saddam is one funny mofo.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Ah a an in joke for all the forum regulars.
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O shit! ooseven actually made me laugh
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Originally posted by Bozco
We will not invade North Korea, unless they let us.
If we go to war, their government will collapse most likely. Their economy is on the verge of collapse as it is. Just hang in there for a few months and they won\'t be able to afford a war and their economy as well as government will collapse.
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They could still possibly nuke south korea, and I don\'t think it would be fair to put them at such a risk.
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Originally posted by Titan
We will. We already have troops stationed in S. Korea just incase.
Titan, you prove that you have no understanding of the situation whatsoever. North Korea has 11,000 Artillery pieces trained on South Korea. If we cross the border, Seoul could be obliterated in minutes. South Korea is an IMPORTANT economic partner to the United States. We cannot possibly take such a risk. Why do you think we have been at a standoff with them for the last 50 years? Do you think somehow the equation is going to magically change next week, and we\'re going to suddenly decide "It\'s time to take them down?" :rolleyes: You have no idea what you\'re talking about.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Titan, you prove that you have no understanding of the situation whatsoever. North Korea has 11,000 Artillery pieces trained on South Korea. If we cross the border, Seoul could be obliterated in minutes. South Korea is an IMPORTANT economic partner to the United States. We cannot possibly take such a risk. Why do you think we have been at a standoff with them for the last 50 years? Do you think somehow the equation is going to magically change next week, and we\'re going to suddenly decide "It\'s time to take them down?" :rolleyes: You have no idea what you\'re talking about.
I never said we did. I said that if the talks with N. Korea don\'t improve (which it does look it according to some articles I have read), invasion is a possible outcome, especially if they do something to S. Korea. I never said that they weren\'t important (S. Korea). I know they are economically important. You are taking what I said too out of context and completely missed the point of my post.
EDIT: Plus, things can happen in a week. You never know what N. Korea might do (although I doubt they will do anything at this point). But we do have troops there in S. Korea. I also never said that S. Korea can survive a war also. You are saying Seoul can be obliterated in minutes. No shit. N. Korea has a powerful military and it won\'t be an easy war, assuming it ever happens; not to mention very unpopular. The only way I see we go to war with them soon is if they attack first. I guess I was a bit too rash by saying we will invade N. Korea. But if Bush is re-elected, it is always a possibility :p
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I would rather see Bush on trial for his many lies that in the end have equaled American deaths, instead of Saddam, who was running his country. Then again, I would rather them let Saddam lose and take reign of his country again.
-shrugs-
They could not have over thrown Saddam and now that he\'s out of power, things will get better. Putting Bush on trial coz Americans died in battle is idiocy. You might as well put Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt and Kennedy on there as well. Too bad they\'re dead. :)
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i said it before & it needs to be stated again...how can the u.s. give a just cause for democracy when they are allies with arab nations that are not a democracy but have issues with arab countries that are a democracy but just don\'t agree with u.s. policies? michael moore is probably a hypocrite to some degree,.but so is the u.s.
that said i agree with saddam that this whole trial thing is a joke,.. just charge him & get it over with...saddam was a bad man..no denying that but this whole court scene is for what?.. complete waste of time....
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Originally posted by clips
i said it before & it needs to be stated again...how can the u.s. give a just cause for democracy when they are allies with arab nations that are not a democracy but have issues with arab countries that are a democracy but just don\'t agree with u.s. policies? michael moore is probably a hypocrite to some degree,.but so is the u.s.
that said i agree with saddam that this whole trial thing is a joke,.. just charge him & get it over with...saddam was a bad man..no denying that but this whole court scene is for what?.. complete waste of time....
Which Arab democracy has issues (and what issues) with the US?
Wait wait...I got yer question...we\'re allies with Arab nations that are not a democracy...like Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia has issues with Arab countries that are a democracy. Which Arab nation (that is a democracy) has Saudi have a beef with?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Which Arab democracy has issues (and what issues) with the US?
Wait wait...I got yer question...we\'re allies with Arab nations that are not a democracy...like Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia has issues with Arab countries that are a democracy. Which Arab nation (that is a democracy) has Saudi have a beef with?
yea you got it right & saudi arabia was on that list..i can\'t remember what arab countries were democratic that the u.s. had beef with i think egypt was one of them..cnn had a list of democratic arab countries that the u.s. didn\'t necessarily agree with or see eye to eye on..
a few weeks back cnn did a special one week coverage on the issue of iraq by arabs, the british & the americans..it was very interesting to see how all of those nationalities saw the war in general..very interesting look...anyway i say all that to say that that is where i saw the countires (democratic arab countries) that the u.s. did not see eye to eye with..some countries were some that i didn\'t even recognize..but saudi arabia is the one that stands out the most with it being a dictatorship and not a democracy at all...
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y\'know if it wasn\'t for saddam gasin\' his own people and the mass murders..he might actually have a decent defense to this war..y\'know false pretenses (no wmd\'s) and who\'s to say that it\'s just not a matter of the way he ran his country? yes it was wrong but that goes back to how the u.s. let s**t slide with other countries that are not democratic...
hey..in some countries they\'ll cut your hand off for stealing,..i\'ve even heard they\'ll put you to death for sleeping with another man\'s wife..harsh?.. yes.. inhumane? maybe, but it\'s only inhumane to western culture..not theirs..
bottom line is that the u.s. went to war for wmd\'s not because saddam was a bad man..and in that aspect he has a pretty decent defense...on the way he treated his people..well it was his country,..but for the most part i think the iraq\'s are gonna execute him for it...
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Originally posted by clips
bottom line is that the u.s. went to war for wmd\'s not because saddam was a bad man.
Where did you get that information? If we were going to war over WMD\'s wouldn\'t we already have attacked N. Korea according to your logic?
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i thought we already settled this issue giga (as far as n.korea is concerned) as far as the war is concerned yea we went to war basically because saddam had wmd\'s and the means to use em..don\'t give me no bulls**t spin on why we went to war,.. that was the reason we went period...
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Originally posted by clips
i thought we already settled this issue giga (as far as n.korea is concerned) as far as the war is concerned yea we went to war basically because saddam had wmd\'s and the means to use em..don\'t give me no bulls**t spin on why we went to war,.. that was the reason we went period...
You are so misinformed.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You are so misinformed.
so why don\'t you elaborate..perhaps you are the one misinformed by listening to such rhetoric touted by bush..or are you going to say he was in violations of the u.n. proposed policies and such...
you\'re going to deny bush stated "he has wmd\'s..we know this..he\'s been movin em around hiding them" it amazes me how americans forget how bush acted up to the point of war..he acted like iraq has missles pointed our way right then & there..when truly they weren\'t...saddam was a bad man..no doubt but our forces could\'ve & should\'ve been focused more on afganastan..(spell)
so enlighten me..tell me why mr. white house press secretary why we went to war...
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Originally posted by clips
i thought we already settled this issue giga