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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on July 07, 2004, 06:31:34 AM
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Back in the late 70\'s, Iran\'s gov\'t was overthrown by the Ayatollah Khomeini and his religious followers shook the Arab nations. Just about every Arab nation had groups of religious militants looking for that one leader and Saddam was having none of it. The majority of Iraqis were Shi\'ite Muslims...the same as Khomeini.
Saddam took a preemptive strike against Iran when he realized that this religious movement had the potential to spread to his country and to the rest of the Arab nations. He took it upon himself to be the front line against these "radicals". With the help of the US (Rumsfeld paid a visit to Saddam), Germans and French, Saddam not only used their weapons but also their chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers.
However, Iran outnumbered Iraq by 3 to 1 and despite their heavy losses, began to move into Kurdish territory in Iraq. And that\'s when Saddam gassed that Kurdish town...killing Kurdish women and children. Iranian military used this massacre as an advantage and brought in Western journalists to show the world.
This pretty much put a stop of war supplies to Iraq and soon, Iran and Iraq made peace after an 8 year war.
However, Saddam was deep in military debt and needed more income and still keep his military without cutting cost. Solution? Kuwait.
And you know the rest of the story. I guess my point here is : you never know when the country you\'re helping will later end up as your enemy. The Arab Nations along with the Western Nations were scared of the possible religious domino affect that the Ayatolla Khomeini could have caused. However, in helping Saddam, they helped a future enemy.
Have a nice day. :)
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"Keep your friends close......"
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^^^classic...:laughing:
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Originally posted by clips
^^^classic...:laughing:
That was the footage shown in the PBS show last night. Did you laugh at the picture of Roosevelt shaking hands with Lenin too?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
That was the footage shown in the PBS show last night. Did you laugh at the picture of Roosevelt shaking hands with Lenin too?
nope only that picture..;) on another note, that part about saddam gasing his people..are you stating that he didn\'t intentionally mean to gas his people? he only did it to deter the iranians?
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He\'s always had problems with the Kurds and had no hesitation about the collateral damage. He could have just used conventional weapons and achieve a tactical victory...instead, he just gassed everyone up there. By that time, the Iranians were prepared for chemical warfare and the only casualties were the Kurdish people (to the rest of the world, they were Iraqis).
Originally posted by clips
nope only that picture..;)
But you see what I mean? Even Roosevelt, suspicious of Lenin, helped him anyway. There were greater evils that day....only to wake up to another.
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thanks for clearing that up gman..i fully understand what you mean on both points. :)
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Our Lord please deliver us from the great boogeyman Communism. :p
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Our Lord please deliver us from the great boogeyman Communism. :p
You need to move to Russia, then. :)
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We probably should have just given Saddam financial aide instead of chemical weapons and whatever else we gave him. We really got knee deep in crap because of that war. Although, we never would have guessed he would use the weapons like that too so who knows.
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You need to move to Russia, then
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Although, we never would have guessed he would use the weapons like that too so who knows.
LOL, yeah the US just gave him chemical weapons and bioligical agents just so he could feel safe.
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As Gman said throughout our history we have aided one time allies who then become our enemy. No big surprise - in WW2 we gave so much to the Soviets it wasn\'t even funny.
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They were armed purposely to become enemies, just like how US and Britain has been arming North Korea, giving them in the spent spent fuel rods etc... WAR has always been good for the ELITE, it gives big brother more control over our lives, fly 2 planes into a building, and then say look we are under attack citizens give us your rights and liberty and we promise to protect you "PATRIOT ACT 1 and 2" COde yellow alert etc...
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
They were armed purposely to become enemies
I stopped reading there... :stick:
That is one of the most intellectually empty comments I have read in this forum.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
LOL, yeah the US just gave him chemical weapons and bioligical agents just so he could feel safe.
We have them and don\'t use them :)
Nvidia, I was just saying we didn\'t think he would use them to the magnitude he did, on his own people, innocent civilians.
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http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com
I stopped reading there...
That is one of the most intellectually empty comments I have read in this forum.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
They were armed purposely to become enemies, just like how US and Britain has been arming North Korea, giving them in the spent spent fuel rods etc... WAR has always been good for the ELITE, it gives big brother more control over our lives, fly 2 planes into a building, and then say look we are under attack citizens give us your rights and liberty and we promise to protect you "PATRIOT ACT 1 and 2" COde yellow alert etc...
Someone saw F911.....
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Originally posted by ViVi
Someone saw F911.....
and was bamboozled.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com
Truth is stranger than fiction.
inforwars.com - where to begin with this loony left site. This fascinating site claims that the US is a "police state", comparing evacuation plans in London (if there were to be a terrorist attack) to concentration camps, they claim that "freemasons secretly run the worlds major governments"... the Alex Jones audio tape offer was the icing on the cake.
prisonplanet.com - anything that includes the phrase "nazi usa" in its masthead is a complete farce. Armchair activists such as yourself have to be the most uneducated rabble after the bible thumping right wing southerners I see down here. Do you truly believe the trash that is posted on these websites? If you do, might I suggest moving to a country like North Korea or Cuba for 1 year and hearing your thoughts on how oppressive the US is? That is if they don\'t put a bullet in your head first for voicing any criticism.
I really hate to use the term "loony left" to describe liberals, but I am really at a loss for words when it comes to the two links you posted. It seems you and quite a few others in this country have no clue what a totalitarian type of government is. As I stated before, your post was void of any intellectual or factual information.
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Someone saw F911.....
Nope MM is a gun grabbling socialist. His 911 movie doesn’t even get into 10% of what happened on 9/11 matter of fact from what I read, he only spends 15 min on 911. Also Moore then goes and puts his spin, on what little information he provides. I do commend him for the movie, hopefully it will get people curious about what really took place on Sept 11, and when they go online to get more info Google will display on 70% of the hits INFOwars.com and prisonplanet.com
Giga that site is not left that just goes to show that you haven’t looked into , left and right is a joke, Both bush and Kerry are both Skull and bones, both have pledge an allegiance that supersedes there commitment to there country. 90% of the info on INFOWARS is hard documented proof, taken from all the news wires, and other reliable sources. I don\'t expect you to believe me, nor any of those sites.
You need to watch: 911 the road to tyranny, Masters of terror, police state 3, plus George Humphreys 911 masters of deception.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
LOL, yeah the US just gave him chemical weapons and bioligical agents just so he could feel safe.
Ya know...it wasn\'t only the US that gave them chemical weapons. France and Germany did as well. Why are people\'s hindsight so fixated on the US and not the other countries who are just as responsible for arming Iraq?
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The other countries failed to launch all out assaults on Iraq like the US did. Fucking bastards...
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Failed or knew better? Show me the WMD, LOL!!!!
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Except that they are a) buried in the sand somewhere; b) in another country or c) Saddam used them to gas his own people and the Kurds (chemical weapons=WMD). Saddam broke many treaties, I believe some were punishable by invasion. We are the only country, along with Britain who were both prepared to do so and had the balls to go through with it.
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We are the only country, along with Britain who were both prepared to do so and had the balls to go through with it.
Oh man we the people are in serious trouble, while there is a massive awakening taking place it\'s not accelerated fast enough.
All I can say here is what ever makes you sleep comfortable at night. I fear the direction this country is taking in the next 2-5 years is going to be a very dramatic and scary one.
Mark my Words the Globalists are planning another terrorist attack, I know because they talk about it all the time in mainstream news. Of course this attack will be blamed on either the AlCIAda or some other CIA sponsored organization. Look fellow Americans they have attacked us again, Marshall LAW etc.......
Oh yeah and the fact that elections are a complete fraud, Don\'t get me started on Diobolt the makers of the electronic voting machine. Not that it matters who you vote anyways, since they are all owned and operated by the same people, Left and right is an illusion to convince you that there is a choice.
Think I\'m making this up, read the hard documented proof over at ://www.blackboxvoting.org/ bev has been gracious enough to provide her book online for free, that\'s right download the book for free read the documented proof about how voting no longer exists in America. Her webiste is full of hard hitting info.
Also read "Order out of Chaos" Elite sponsored Terrorism and "911 descent into tyranny", I have both books in hard cover and in E-book format and if any of you want to read something that will totally shift your paradigm, just pm me and I will e-mail you the E-book. Also the authors of these books have authorized that any owner of them is free to redistribute the e-book version just as long as no money or profit is involved.
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And I heard Elvis is alive and well somewhere in some Pacific island he bought.
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Sorry I don\'t play this game. Like I said anyone interested Pm me!
I\'m done
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I don\'t buy into any of these conspiracy theories. All are bullshit.