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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Luke on July 25, 2004, 11:33:58 AM
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For a team picked to go the World Series they sure to suck real real hard.
I\'m watching them get no-hit by Eric Milton right now.
*sigh
I\'m so pissed at this team right now.
God forbid they actually make a trade to help the team... Like the goddamn White Sox have been doing for a month.
Go Cubs go... You truly are the most pitiful franchise in the history of proffesional sports.
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Well, I am also angry at the mets. Because they gave me the false hope they might actually have a chance.
Now entering the second half, I realize they have one of the most unreliable bullpens in baseball. There pitching is old, leiter can only go 5 innings.
They have good talent in the line up, but it may not come around this year.
Next year, the mets will win the NL east. Im calling it right now!
They definently have a lot of potential. They need to make a few moves for their pitching though before they can reach the next level.
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Haha, Cubs tie it up in the ninth with 2 outs... They must have felt my anger.
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Red Sox are struggling.
Pedro is almost 2 full runs above his 2003 ERA.. all of the starters got shelled this week.. and the offense is strong but almost never enough anymore.
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There is a good article on ESPN right now about how the Cubs and Red Sox are choking this year.
At least the Red Sox show some life.... The Cubs are just pitiful.
Nicon must be loving this.
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I\'m upset that my boys aren\'t REALLY in contention for the division but I\'m glad they are still in the wild card race.
I am SOOOO happy that I got to go to last night\'s game, though. That was the most amazing baseball game I have ever been to. The game itself was up-and-down but the ending was incredible.
BTW, The Cubs aren\'t out of the running for the wild card. If they play anywhere near their potential they could slip into the playoffs. They should have made a trade for some offense a long time ago.
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Bwahaha.
Go White Sox *throws on sox attire and walks out*
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Go Rangers! :)
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Bwahaha.
Go White Sox *throws on sox attire and walks out*
I wish the Cubs had Garcia and Everett.
Oh wait... I forgot, they don\'t NEED any extra help.
Jim Hendry rules.
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if the padres get rid of valdez, get eaton to pitch well consitantly instead of pitching a no hitter to a 10 run game, AND if they hit with runners in scoring position..theyll go in the playoffs and do well.
As for the cubs..i dont care.
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^^^Yeah that is one of the Sox\'s main problems. Hitting with RISP and defense. If they can start hitting w/ RISP and cut down on the errors they\'ll be fine.
I wouldn\'t mind Epstein going out and getting another arm for the pen or rotation though.
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im all for trading prior even without him the cubs still have one of the best rotations in the league at least on paper and the shortstop position is not only a hole in the defense but a huge hole in the lineup
and baltimore would probably be willing to make some deals soon and ive become a big fan of tejada lately
prior for tejada id make that deal
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Yeah, Baltimore desperately needs pitching. Prior would, uh, bring that. He\'s possibly the new Pedro.
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Originally posted by Luke
I wish the Cubs had Garcia and Everett.
Oh wait... I forgot, they don\'t NEED any extra help.
Jim Hendry rules.
Touchy Touchy :p
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Originally posted by ViVi
Go Rangers! :)
Word, but I can just feel them starting to choke.
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Prior for Tejada? Please.
C\'mon guys, that\'s just terrible. I know that A Gonz sucks hard, but to contemplate trading Prior for only Tejada, that would be awful.
Luke, what moves do the Cubs need to make? The only Shortstop really available is Orlando Cabrera, who quite frankly isn\'t that much of an improvement over A Gonz. I must admit that I haven\'t been a big fan of A Gonz on the offensive side of things, but he does have a pretty good glove (though it seems to disappear in big situations), and that\'s all you can really ask of him.
If the Cubs need to do anything, it\'s to get some freaking bullpen help. For some reason, they keep deciding to option John Leicster back to Triple A, despite the fact that he\'s been the most consistent pitcher in the bullpen period. The one thing that\'s really hurting the bullpen is LaTroy pitching out of position. I admit, I just about wanted to rip his head off after giving up what Barrett, Grudzy, and Patterson fought back for in the Top of the 9th so quickly, but you have to remember that he\'s pitching out of his element. He\'s SO much more effective as a set-up man.
Until we get a Healthy Joe Borowski back, the Bullpen really won\'t be the same, so we really do need to make a bullpen deal.
As for the lineup itself, it\'s actually solid, but there are parts of it that are underperforming. I\'ll tell you right now, losing Aramis for those 6 games before and after the All-Star Break absolutley killed the Cubs. The offense was anemic, and his glove has actually been damn good at third base.
What it truly comes down to is doing the fundamentals better. Getting bunts down when you have to, turning double plays when you need to, and not giving the other team extra outs (*evil glare in the direction of Sammy Sosa*). You have to remember that, before about Mid-June, the Cubs had the best defense in the entire Majors. If that can come back, the Cubs\'ll be in good shape.
I personally hit a wall about a week ago (after the Cubs lost that heartwrenching 2 game series to the Cardinals at home), but it\'s time to move on from that.
You can say that the Cubs are underperforming, and to a point they are...but you have to remember that at one point this late in the season last year, they were 51-52 on the year. Then they traded for Kenny Lofton, Randall Simon, and Aramis Ramirez, and proceeded to take over the National League. This year, it\'s just a matter of getting fully healthy.
Now, if only we could produce some freaking runs that don\'t come by the Home Run...how about some god damn gappers and line drives. Jesus.
See Yuz.
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Dude, Joe Borowski sucks, The entire lineup sucks, and Prior for Tejada isnt that bad of a deal.
I don\'t know how many games you\'ve seen Prior pitch this year but there is definatly somethin wrong. He\'s not the same pitcher.
And also he\'s a California sissy-boy.
And the line-up ISNT solid.
In the last three games against the Phillies, the Cubs DID NOT score a run that wasnt off a home run untill the 9th inning of the final game.
That\'s frickin pitiful.
They have a strike-out prone, bad baserunning, refuse to bunt, poor contact line-up.
This team is a joke.
Sammy Sosa is a joke.
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(Where\'s Tony when you need him...)
1. Tejada for Prior takes on Salary, as Tejada\'s making about 16 million a year -- roughly what Sosa\'s getting paid to strike out
2. As much as I love Glendon Rusch, I believe this great pitching he\'s been displaying is temporary, and will dissapear as such when he goes to the bullpen...but I sure hope not.
As for Joe Borowski sucking...
1. He converted 33 of 36 saves last year, even when he ****ed up his elbow in September (the same problem that he\'s having surgery on and rehabbing from), which is more than you can say for LaTroy Hawkins (13 of 17, with an ERA climbing towards the sky).
2. Once he gets right, you won\'t be complaining about Joe Borowski. All the Cubs need him to do is to come back in his first 2/3 of 2003 form.
As for Prior being a sissy boy...
1. *shrug* Can\'t really do much with that, outside of the fact that in 3 games this year he\'s pitched great.
2. Yesterday he was actually pretty good, but it\'s hard to look good when the pitcher your going up against is throwing a no hit game into the 9th.
As for the lineup, I absolutley agree with you. This team has no idea how much it missed Aramis Ramirez (Can\'t complain about his contact -- he was hittin\' .326 before he went down with the groin), and still misses Todd Hollandsworth (Was better than Sosa in RF when Sosa was hurt).
And as for Sosa being a joke...you\'re absolutley right. He\'s been so awful this year...it\'s like he\'s reverted back to being younger, only now he can\'t run worth a damn. Swings at everything, terrible fielder, and now he\'s complaing to the media that he doesn\'t want to hear no more boos, which pisses me off -- If you don\'t want to hear "no more boos", how about you stop dropping pop flies and striking out 3 times a game? I don\'t think he ever thought of that.
I still think we\'re goona make the playoffs, because our September schedule isn\'t that hard, just like last year. If we get hot in September again, with Grudzy in the leadoff spot, and Barrett in the 2 hole (where we need him), The Cubs could make a pretty good push.
As for the Shortstop situation...Alex Gonzalez sucks hard. I can\'t wait until he\'s a free agent and we can sign Edgar Renteria away from the Cardinals.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Well, I am also angry at the mets. Because they gave me the false hope they might actually have a chance.
Now entering the second half, I realize they have one of the most unreliable bullpens in baseball. There pitching is old, leiter can only go 5 innings.
They have good talent in the line up, but it may not come around this year.
Next year, the mets will win the NL east. Im calling it right now!
They definently have a lot of potential. They need to make a few moves for their pitching though before they can reach the next level.
I too am a Met fan. I told my friend the other day that only Mets\' fans, Red Sox fans and Cubs\' fans "boo" their players.
If the Mets could score runs early, when the aging starters are still throwing well, then it would give the bullpen more runs to screw up. It seems, though, that the Mets only score runs when they\'re behind and need to tie it. The same goes for penant race too; they can tie for first but never do enough to get over that hill.
God says there\'s only allowed to be one good baseball team in NY and that\'s the Yankees. Grr do I dislike them...
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They met\'s have an -okay- line up this year, which hasn\'t realized it\'s potential. They heavily rely on pitching which has improved (Seo and Erickson) over the last month. Yet the bullpen has been responsible for way to many loses.
I like what this team has though. If they don\'t get hot in the second half here, it will happen next season.
They need young starting pitchers though, maybe a good bottom of the rotation prospect who can develop. Their pitching is way too old too last for too many more seasons. I predict it collapses in 2-3 years.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
(Where\'s Tony when you need him...)
1. Tejada for Prior takes on Salary, as Tejada\'s making about 16 million a year -- roughly what Sosa\'s getting paid to strike out
2. As much as I love Glendon Rusch, I believe this great pitching he\'s been displaying is temporary, and will dissapear as such when he goes to the bullpen...but I sure hope not.
As for Joe Borowski sucking...
1. He converted 33 of 36 saves last year, even when he ****ed up his elbow in September (the same problem that he\'s having surgery on and rehabbing from), which is more than you can say for LaTroy Hawkins (13 of 17, with an ERA climbing towards the sky).
2. Once he gets right, you won\'t be complaining about Joe Borowski. All the Cubs need him to do is to come back in his first 2/3 of 2003 form.
As for Prior being a sissy boy...
1. *shrug* Can\'t really do much with that, outside of the fact that in 3 games this year he\'s pitched great.
2. Yesterday he was actually pretty good, but it\'s hard to look good when the pitcher your going up against is throwing a no hit game into the 9th.
As for the lineup, I absolutley agree with you. This team has no idea how much it missed Aramis Ramirez (Can\'t complain about his contact -- he was hittin\' .326 before he went down with the groin), and still misses Todd Hollandsworth (Was better than Sosa in RF when Sosa was hurt).
And as for Sosa being a joke...you\'re absolutley right. He\'s been so awful this year...it\'s like he\'s reverted back to being younger, only now he can\'t run worth a damn. Swings at everything, terrible fielder, and now he\'s complaing to the media that he doesn\'t want to hear no more boos, which pisses me off -- If you don\'t want to hear "no more boos", how about you stop dropping pop flies and striking out 3 times a game? I don\'t think he ever thought of that.
I still think we\'re goona make the playoffs, because our September schedule isn\'t that hard, just like last year. If we get hot in September again, with Grudzy in the leadoff spot, and Barrett in the 2 hole (where we need him), The Cubs could make a pretty good push.
As for the Shortstop situation...Alex Gonzalez sucks hard. I can\'t wait until he\'s a free agent and we can sign Edgar Renteria away from the Cardinals.
See Yuz.
I agree with everything you said excpet for us making the playoffs.
I just don\'t see that happening.
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Originally posted by L i L K u B B s
I too am a Met fan. I told my friend the other day that only Mets\' fans, Red Sox fans and Cubs\' fans "boo" their players.
I have never seen any major league team not boo one of their players at one time or another.
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I can\'t remember in all the times I\'ve watched and been to Reds games them booing their own players.
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granted a tejada for prior deal wont go down because of money but ever since we let maddux go the first time every one is so scared of trading talented players away
i think the cubs would be in a much better situation if they had made the wood/pudge trade that was talked about a few years ago but it seems everyones covinced the we cant win unless we have a allstar at every position in the rotation which is so not the case. you could make the playoffs with 2 really good starters an ok bullpen and offense who can score runs on a consistent basis.
so i say get rid of one these so-called furture hall-of-famers and get a veteran with a consistent bat who can led this team by example much like lofton did last year
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i think we should just change the name of this thread to "i hate the baseball" and make it a sticky
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hey hawkins didnt lose the game for them last night you could tell he wanted to though
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It\'s Hawkins -- it\'s what he does. He\'s not a closer at all...god I pray that Borowski gets back soon and healthy. Hawkins doesn\'t have the willpower to close.
See Yuz.
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Franco lost it for the mets last night.. loser..
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Tigers are doing pretty good. Could careless though. I prefer watching a sport in which talent is involved. You need to be able to move and have hand eye corridnation for baseball. Zzzzzzz
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I really would like to see you hit a 95 MPH fastball. I really would.
Until you can, stop bitching about Talent in Baseball.
See Yuz.
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how about Garciapara for Clement, I\'m sick of his stupid Crybaby crap and we need another starter.
Our bullpen is solid with the exception of Embree, who seems to have lost it. Foulke has been shakey lately as well, but he\'ll return to form.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
I really would like to see you hit a 95 MPH fastball. I really would.
:o Watch me. I\'ve been deflecting hockey pucks out of mid air all my life.
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Congrats on your abilty to deflect a hockey puck off of a stick.
Now, read the spin off of a Slider. Guess for the change, keep your hands back. Do it in less than a second.
In the meantime, stop acting like you\'re superior to baseball and in turn think it\'s boring.
Have fun watching the Hockey lockout.
See Yuz.
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I just wanted to chime in and say that I also hate baseball.
Goodbye.
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i just wanted to chime in and say that swifdi is an asswipe
goodbye
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
how about Garciapara for Clement, I\'m sick of his stupid Crybaby crap and we need another starter.
Our bullpen is solid with the exception of Embree, who seems to have lost it. Foulke has been shakey lately as well, but he\'ll return to form.
If we trade Nomar who do we put at SS? Dropping Nomar would open up a HUGE hole in our lineup. Pokey can cover for Nomar defensively(once he is healthy) but his bat is garbage.
Our bullpen is definately NOT solid. Fouke, Timlin, and Embree are good but Embree and Timlin are overworked. Leskanic, Mendoza, and Adams show bright spots but they have not been consistent enough to label theem solid. Hopefully Swilly will come back as strong as he was in April and May. We need another arm just for the sake of taking some pressure off the rest of the pen.
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Pokey at Shortstop, Bellhorn at 2B, Mueller at 3b, Ortiz at 1st, with Manny, Damon, and Millar in LF...then you just need another bat :)
See Yuz.
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hmmm...
isn\'t Larry Walker on the block? he\'d fit in well at Fenway!
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Originally posted by square_marker
:o Watch me. I\'ve been deflecting hockey pucks out of mid air all my life.
Thats great, I don\'t think you could touch a 90mph fastball with a tennis racket let alone a heavy wooden bat.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Have fun watching the Hockey lockout.
I hate hockey. Only played it because I was good.
Tell you what, put me at centerfield and give me a DH and I can make a nice 2 mil a year.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Pokey at Shortstop, Bellhorn at 2B, Mueller at 3b, Ortiz at 1st, with Manny, Damon, and Millar in LF...then you just need another bat :)
Any runs you save by having Pokey and Rob Schneider up the middle would be lost on errors to Big Papi Ortiz. If Nomar had to go(which I HIGHLY doubt would happen) I would rather see Millar at first Ortiz DH\'ing and hope the Sox get a serviceable outfielder to replace Trot(if he is going to be out for an extended period of time)
Originally posted by The Hurricane
hmmm...
isn\'t Larry Walker on the block? he\'d fit in well at Fenway!
Damn straight he would. I would be happy if the Sox snatched him up; but I don\'t think Epstein is going to bite on that contract of his.
Latest word is that Lowe might be on his way out. Unless they can get a good number 3 or 4 starter I would rather keep him.
BTW, What the hell is up with Wrigley falling apart? The funniest thing ever would be if they made the Cubbies play at US Cellular Field like when the Spankeys had to play at Shea while getting their stadium fixed up.
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Well, it\'s playable...but since the Mayor of Chicago is a complete douche bag when it comes to this thing -- there was a whole dispute before the 2003 Season about those Seats behind Sheffield and Waveland Avenues, that the Mayor was being a complete prick about.
If the Cubs do have to play at U.S. Cellular...I kill. That sorry excuse for a ballpark doesn\'t even deserve to host Cubs games. Hell, those Upper Deck seats are more of a danger to anybody than Wrigley will ever be.
Oh, and uh, Carlos Zambrano still kicks ass. 8 scoreless innings against the Brewers, Cubs take 2 out of 3. Now to face the slumping Phillies...
See Yuz.
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He\'s probably my favorite Cub.
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America\'s past time. Long live baseball.
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Met\'s just picked up Chris Benson and a pitcher from the Devil Rays. A think some bench player too.
For Wiggington, Scott Kazmir, and 3 other minor leagurs.
Dear Mets: You will not make the playoffs this year. Stop trading away good prospects.
Thankyou.
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^^^The Mets should have been selling a week ago. There is NO reason for them to be trading their farm for more players when they are out of the race.
Plus, I want Glavine to come home to RSN. :D
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After thinking about it, this can work out really good or really bad for the mets.
hopefully, these two gusy realize the potential they have on the mets. The mets can easily have the best 5-man rotation in baseball if that happens.
If not, they are in trouble long term now. Without any good pitching prospects for the next 2 years, and an aging top-3 pitchers, this could be really bad. Trachsel wasn\'t even GOOD untill last season.
Anyways, Im still picking next year for their playoff run.
I mean, they have:
Reyes - could easily bat 300
Matsui - could bat 300
Piazza - Should bat 300
Floyd - Should be somewhat productive
Hidalgo - Around 20-30 homeruns
Wright - Should bat 275 or more next season.
Cameron - Should have good SB/HR
Wilson - A 250 hitter with good defense
This just needs to work. It works on paper.
But it seems nothing EVER works for the mets, no matter how solid it looks on paper.
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Every Mets person I see talk about these trades talks about how bad these trades are to begin with, then wills themself to like the trade and see how it could work. Well, when you trade your best Pitching Prospect for a guy who has done almost nothing at the pro level outside of be mediocre at best, well, it gets you thinking.
At least you didn\'t make the trade that the Dodgers did. They must\'ve REALLY saw something in Brad Penny. That trade was awful.
See Yuz.
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I know it is a crap ass trade, but they do have a good pitching coach and both these guys are only 29.
So I hope they really didn\'t **** up here.
The thing that pisses me off is, i don\'t even think Kazmir was involved with the Benson trade. And is Zambarano really THAT much better then Seo that your willing to trade your #1 pick from 2002?
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No more Nomar.
Nomar has been traded to the cubs.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.starwave.com%2Fmedia%2Fmlb%2F2004%2F0731%2Fphoto%2Ftrd_gars_ft.jpg&hash=7f206635ddd0adf1ad958cf5c9323b7b06ec9d28)
That shit is SO f*cking surreal. I don\'t know what to say.
Details are sketchy but the Sox lose Nomar and pick up Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz.
There were rumors that Clement and DLowe were also involved in the trade but its not looking like it.
If Theo Epstein has traded away a HOF SS with a great bat for an average SS and an average 1B without picking up any pitching then I will be very upset.
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I keep loking at that picture and can\'t believe it.
I named my old dog "Nomah" for christ\'s sake. This sucks.
[EDIT] We just gave the Cubs the boost they needed for the pennant and put a damper on our own.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Wow...I come here to bitch about the Cubs losing to the Phillies after taking my 3 hour nap (Yeah, nice timing for a nap, REAL nice), then I see BS here talkin\' about Nomar being traded...
So I check out the ESPN.com front page, and there it is...Nomar\'s in a freakin\' Cubs hat! All we gave up was Alex Gonzalez, Francis Beltran, and Brendan Harris, which is an absolute bargain. I do kinda frown upon giving up Francis, but man, if you can get Nomar Garcia-freakin\'-Parra, ya gotta do it :)
Jim Hendry for President.
See Yuz.
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Wait wasn\'t orlando cabera on the expos? or no?
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Yeah, f**k this trade. They get better defense, but.. ehhh..
Why in the mother f**k didn\'t Arn Tellum take the Sox\' offer for $60M/4Y..? That would have been a horrible trade for the Sox, and a great trade for the fans.. but they (Arn/Nomar) rejected it. Christwalls, that\'s annoying.
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After sleeping on it a bit I see what the Sox were trying to do. We are leading the league in most offensive categories but not winning games. I think we also lead the league in unearned runs. This trade does make the Sox more well rounded and hopefully it will work out in the end.
My main thing is giving up Nomar for so little. I thought we could at least get a #3 starter.
Maybe Nomar is more injured than the fans knew.
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Words cannot describe how excited I am.