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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Proud To Be on July 26, 2004, 03:45:22 PM
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Yea I used to be a regular at this site. I barely could remember my password. good thing i did. i think bjorn banned my email address cause i was emailing him to get my pw. oh well.
i didnt even hear of GTA:SA untill two days ago. thats what happens when your in the worst part of the world for so long. Iraq blows. Im still not due back in the states untill October. when does this beast of a game come out anyway?
nice to be back gents...
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proud to be what?
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Originally posted by theomen
proud to be what?
(fill in the blank ;) )...anyway sounds like this cat was in iraq...and made it back..for what it\'s worth welcome back....
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Of course I remember you. You are a card carrying member of the Oct 2001 gang. Damn we rock. You all want to be us.
So how\'s the marines treating you?
Post some pictures!!!!! We want some dirt!!!
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We were noobs together... that was way back it seems...
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Sweet....another Marine
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why is that sweet?
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those guys tan nicely on their throbbing muscular pecs :cool:
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so thats what they are doing under the sun in Iraq :p
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Hope you are safe and well.
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I know for sure no one is after the war
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I know for sure no one is after the war
You watch too mch tv.
Let me be the first to say thank you for your service to our country.
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welcome back fellow Oct 2001...
HOOHAH!
Glad to see you made it out, bro. Let me be the first here to thank you for your service to our country.
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Wow, a Marine on the board. Glad you got back safely, maybe I\'ll see you one day. I leave for bootcamp in September.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Of course I remember you. You are a card carrying member of the Oct 2001 gang. Damn we rock. You all want to be us.
So how\'s the marines treating you?
Post some pictures!!!!! We want some dirt!!!
...Let me be the first to say thank you for your service to our country..
Give it up for OCTOBER. damn i wish i could post some pictures right now. im still in iraq and have no digital camera. it would have broken it by now anyway. those little disposables are actually worth something out here. they get the job done, even when they are dropped, smashed, and mistreated. when i get back ill put the pics on a disc and post a lot of em. till then gotta wait. Thanks for the support bro.
Originally posted by SwifDi
We were noobs together... that was way back it seems...
It was a long time ago.. its been awhile. Ive been in the corps for a year and a half now. lemme geta hell yes to the october 2001 noobs.
Originally posted by i_killed_ur_dog
Sweet....another Marine
Ive read where you bitch about wanting to blow shit up and now your shuffling papers. all i gotta say is, you picked the damn MOS. suck it up killer. Semper Fi
Originally posted by CHIZZY
welcome back fellow Oct 2001...
HOOHAH!
Glad to see you made it out, bro. Let me be the first here to thank you for your service to our country.
Thanks for the hoohah, but thats the army\'s little fag shout. No offense to my fellow sister service. and unfortunately im still stuck in this shithole of a country.
Thanks for thanking me BTW. ;)
Originally posted by PSX_J
Wow, a Marine on the board. Glad you got back safely, maybe I\'ll see you one day. I leave for bootcamp in September.
Im not back quite yet, i just have the fortunate opportunity to visit the phone center here at camp tiger in Al Qa\'im, Iraq once in awhile. So fellow son-to-be Marine. you got a lot ahead of you... prepare yourself accordingly.
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Thanks to all you americans out there for supporting the marines out here in iraq. We\'re out here for you all.
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Do you get any respect out there? Hows the mood?
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Originally posted by ViVi
Do you get any respect out there? Hows the mood? [/QUOTE
Respect? as from whom?
The mood/morale sucks. we\'ve been here since febuary, ready to come home. not till october. the days are draggin the closer we get.
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hoohah jarhead
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Originally posted by Jar O Pickles
hoohah jarhead
hooyah pickle jar. nice to see you to.
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From the Iraqis? Do they trust or respect you guys?
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Originally posted by ViVi
From the Iraqis? Do they trust or respect you guys?
Iraqis: I hate them all.
As far as respect goes, they dont have to like us, but they damned well better respect us. we give them EVERYTHING they need. we give em couchs, beds, tv\'s, dvd players, vcr\'s, microwaves. all types of shit. as far as trust, as they say, "you can only trust em as far as you can throw em." even though they fly relatively far after a 25mm hits them (or whats left of them) you cant trust em for jack. the first casualty we had here was due to the iraqi police giving the hodgies the weapons, in which we supplied also. go figure.
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hodgies?
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Originally posted by ViVi
hodgies?
another nickname for iraqi\'s aka ragheads.
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hmm so let me ask this question...do you feel you\'re fighting a justified war?...oh and i hope you make it back safely...
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I like the term Jowas, Sand People
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towel heads, camel ****ers, sand niggas
all the same :p
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*runs away from this thread
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Originally posted by clips
hmm so let me ask this question...do you feel you\'re fighting a justified war?...oh and i hope you make it back safely...
Its hard to say. I like to stay the hell out of politricks. I was sent here to do my job, not get caught up all that propaganda horse shit. i just want to kill as many of them as possible while i can and get the hell outta dodge. IMO this place isnt getting any better as far as i can tell, its the same as it was in april, if worse. Our convoys are getting hit almost daily now. the fightings not in fallujah so no one hears about it. f*ck the news.
Ill be back safely, Ill be damned if i let these cowards get the best of me.
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It\'s amazing how much hatred you have for these people. Did you have it before you went over there? Do you think you\'d have this hatred if you weren\'t stuck over there? How is your hatred justified? Do you really think you are coming back in October?
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Originally posted by videoholic
It\'s amazing how much hatred you have for these people. Did you have it before you went over there? Do you think you\'d have this hatred if you weren\'t stuck over there? How is your hatred justified? Do you really think you are coming back in October?
No, I didnt have the hatred I have for them now. Probably cause these cowards cant fight like men hiding behind women and children. They have killed marines/freinds alike. its not easy to like someone who wants to kill you and those around you. The hate these people have for americans is off the wall. they capture and slaughter american contracters like its the thing to do, and setting off IED\'s everyday killing and injuring americans. what do they care? they are all in the same in my eyes. dead. just give us the chance.
As far as we know, we are still on a deadline date to be back in the states in October. Maj Gen Mattis, First Marine Div Commander seemed to have backed this up today so we will see. Things change fast.
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Originally posted by videoholic
You watch too mch tv.
Let me be the first to say thank you for your service to our country.
Actually my father works in Saudi Arabia and he lives things YOU watch only in TV!!
edit:Oh dont mention it.Your country caused more porblems to itself than previously.And we wouldnt want to support that or happen to us either.
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Don\'t any of your buddies have cameras? You need to post some pics.
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was that refering to me?
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So do you listen to heavy metal and gangster rap whilst taking out the hodgies?
Welcome back, btw. Be safe.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Actually my father works in Saudi Arabia and he lives things YOU watch only in TV!!
Such as?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
was that refering to me?
no.. Unless you want to take a picture of your clothesline. ;)
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way to snake my gratitude, vid...
oh, and no-one wants to see pics of Unicorn\'s friends.... so email them to him....
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Actually my father works in Saudi Arabia and he lives things YOU watch only in TV!!
But you don\'t live in Saudi Arabia, so.. you\'re.. still just watching them on TV, too? :confused:
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Originally posted by Unicron!
why is that sweet?
I thought I was the only one.
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Originally posted by Proud To Be
Ive read where you bitch about wanting to blow shit up and now your shuffling papers. all i gotta say is, you picked the damn MOS. suck it up killer. Semper Fi
I picked Combat Engineer. I was voluntold to be an 01. Oh well...I\'ll just Lat move later
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Originally posted by videoholic
Don\'t any of your buddies have cameras? You need to post some pics.
Yes they do. but we only have a certain amount of time on the computer and i wouldnt have time to post many pics, plus i dunno if they would let me anyway. Dont worry, I already have five cameras fulll of pics and have five more to use before i get home. Ill post a lot when i get back.
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
So do you listen to heavy metal and gangster rap whilst taking out the hodgies?
Unfortunately not. We cannot listen to anything while on mobile patrols/convoys. I dont listen to gangster rap, or any rap for that matter. im a heavy metalist.
Originally posted by i_killed_ur_dog
I picked Combat Engineer. I was voluntold to be an 01. Oh well...I\'ll just Lat move later
You wouldnt wanna be a combat engineer anyway, youd be out there putting up perimeters around bases. Thats a whole shitload of constantina wire and engineer stakes lemme tell ya. and it being 130 degrees doesnt help either. your better off in a air conditioned room signing papers and screwing people over "losing" papers n shit.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Such as?
The compound of the company he works for and lives in is like an army camp now.They brought Tanks,machine guns and soldiers that sleep inside because they are afraid of a terrorist attack.A few meters outside the compound SA police killed suspects and there are often kidnappings of foreigners that are later found dead.
In a nearby McDonalds saudi arabians came in found a couble of foreigners asked if they were muslims or not and then they shot them.
The Royal family who have connections with the USA are afraid of a coup as much as never before and Al Quida is gaining more power as well as the religious party which where the people that wanted to bring down the royal family and make the regime totally religious.
Also the compound exactly near the one my father stays that belongs to a sister company got many threatening messages and also some unknown Saudis with a suspicous package tried to enter the compound for no apparent reason but they were told that they were going to call the police if they insisted.And they left.
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Originally posted by Proud To Be
You wouldnt wanna be a combat engineer anyway, youd be out there putting up perimeters around bases. Thats a whole shitload of constantina wire and engineer stakes lemme tell ya. and it being 130 degrees doesnt help either. your better off in a air conditioned room signing papers and screwing people over "losing" papers n shit.
You\'re probably right...hey what\'s your rank?
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Proud To Be reminds me of that charactar from Full Metal Jacket : Animal Mother
And I mean that in a good way. Kick some ass and come back home. Cut some ears for keepsake. :)
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Originally posted by i_killed_ur_dog
You\'re probably right...hey what\'s your rank?
Motivated E-3! Lance Corporal of the Marine Corps. We run the Corps! Kill.
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Im this close \' \' to posting some more than motivating pics for you guys. I got the pics from a camera i sent home back, along witha disc. Im just waiting for the admin\'s and mod\'s approval. I think most of the pics i have are to vulgar for the message board though. pussies would think they are "disturbing." we\'ll see what happens..
:chainsaw:
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Well PM me some then
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Very well, anyone that wants to see em. request em. They are pics of murdered iraqis.
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I\'ll take a pm of pics, my gf\'s dad just got back in March from Iraq, he said it was hell but it was his job. And he carries the same hate for them as you.
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All of those who requested pics, gonna have to stand by for awhile. Ill get them to you as soon as i can. i have them but i only have a certain amount of time to do so many people/pics at a time. they\'ll come.
EDIT: there is still a chance i will post them here.( i highly doubt it) but if thats not an option ill figure something out. mass email maybe.
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How bad are these pics? I dont want to see any real bad ones, like people with their brains on the ground...
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I\'m trying to get him to send them to me over some type of instant messaging program so I can screen them for the forum. I\'ll even host them so we don\'t use a billion attachments. I\'ll PM any pics to the people who really want them if the ones you want are indeed far too graphic to be posted. They will, one way or another, make it to your hands though if you want them to.
As for his attitude, I think a lot of people out here see the politics far too much rather then how it actually is. Simple fact of the matter is that if someone is trying to kill you, you\'ll want to kill them first. I don\'t think any of you would appreciate or tolerate a whole group of people who shoot at you everyday hoping that you would die. Maybe after a long time, but it certainly wouldn\'t happen over night.
I\'m sure his feelings are VERY well justified.
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Send them to me. BTW, its good to hear from you Proud To Be. I will be entering the service after college (doing either Army or AF ROTC then my tour) and can\'t wait to do it. Hopefully, I can become a pilot. Hope you come home safely PTB.
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Originally posted by Ryu
I\'m sure his feelings are VERY well justified.
Justified but clouded at the same time.
He is sent there, no questions asked and with no other choice.He is forced to deal with such situations whatever the reason is sent to fight for because its his job to obey.And there is no other choice but kill and hate for the need to survive.It doesnt matter if the real reasons he is sent there are justified or not.The result is the same.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Justified but clouded at the same time.
He is sent there, no questions asked and with no other choice.He is forced to deal with such situations whatever the reason is sent to fight for because its his job to obey.And there is no other choice but kill and hate for the need to survive.It doesnt matter if the real reasons he is sent there are justified or not.The result is the same.
But we\'re talking about his feelings and his reasons, not those of the administration.
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you do what you can, to deal with it, I guess... I don\'t think I know myself well enough to fortell how I would act in a war situation. Stay strong, man. And pm me about the pics.
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Yup, I want the pics.
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Originally posted by Ryu
But we\'re talking about his feelings and his reasons, not those of the administration.
but I was refering to his feelings too.I just added another perspective.This feelings are unavoidable in the battlefield. He is placed in a warzone and the Iraqies see him as an enemy and hate him since his is placed there and they will do anything to kill him.He at the same unavoidably has them as enemies that threaten his life.He is bound to hate and kill just as they hate and want to kill him.
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who deleted me post? :mad:
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Originally posted by clips
who deleted me post? :mad:
My guess is ooseven :)
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i would REALLY like to know why..in general i agree with reasons why some posts get deleted,..but just posted with some general concerns for proud to be..i come back a few days later and it\'s gone...
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I haven\'t deleted any single post since the babe thread and that was because I saw nips or pubes. I don\'t know what happened to your post honestly. Maybe the forum just hiccuped?
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^^^yea that could be possible as well..i was actually coming off of night shift when i posted my commebt & was rushing a bit but i could\'ve sworn i posted it..oh well..
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Proud to Be, do me a favor and light one of those Iraqis up for me :)
By the way, you have my fullest respect. Hope your home soon.
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I wonder why you see that as a favor
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Iraqis are bad. thats why
plus were americans
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Originally posted by ViVi
Iraqis are bad. thats why
plus were americans
*smacks viv upside the head*..not all iraqi\'s!
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Originally posted by ViVi
Iraqis are bad. thats why
plus were americans
Define "Iraqi\'s are bad"
And what does it have to do with being an American?They also believe that you Americans are their enemy (which is not thanks to you the simple American citizen but thanks to the wrong foreign policy)
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Do they not know about sarcasm in Cyprus?
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Yes.But sometimes I dont know if you are combining sarcasm with perosnal opinion since many people in this thread express a few wrong opinions on the matter
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Yeah ur right, it is tough to tell since u cant hear the tone or see facial expressions. I get confused too.
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we ve got smilies though :D
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I will see to it that the favor is done, and it is a favor due to it being one less iraqi in this world he wont have to worry about. I dont giva shit about these people and i would expect the same from any american. Ultimately we werent the ones who put us here. They wanna f*ck around and act hostile, we\'ll always be there to back the U.S.
Anyway, dont gotta make the way i feel about the ragheads a very big deal. its kill or be killed, hate and be hated. The way things are. wont change.
I sent Ryu the pics BTW, he\'ll do with them as he pleases.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Yes.But sometimes I dont know if you are combining sarcasm with perosnal opinion since many people in this thread express a few wrong opinions on the matter
Uni your a pansy a$$ biatch... Honestly anytime you hear an american saying they hate anyone you say it all becuase of our politics. Well guess what your so caught up in your politics you cant see your hand in front of you face..... This dude is a Hero and for what politics maybe but HES AMERICAN. I told you before you dont understand what that means to most of us when we say it you never could.
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Uni for PTB it\'s not about the politics anymore. None of us have a clue what war is like but just from listening to a few veterans talk the politics doesnt matter much anymore. It\'s the fact somebody is trying to kill you stemming up a great ammount of hatred.
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Someone want to PM me the pics?
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Ok, I got the pics. Some are pretty brutal, but it\'s mostly just multiple pics of like 3 guys and one "bonus" pic of a guy knocked unconscious. I\'ll put them in a zip, then PM people the link. The link will be up for 24 hours. After 24 hours, whether you jump on it or not, the files will be deleted. If the number of downloads exceeds 30, I\'ll promptly delete the file whether the 24-hour limit has been hit or not.
If you happen to MISS the download, just PM me your e-mail address and I\'ll send a quick e-mail to you from my gmail account.
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Not as bad as I thought it would be.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
Uni your a pansy a$$ biatch... Honestly anytime you hear an american saying they hate anyone you say it all becuase of our politics. Well guess what your so caught up in your politics you cant see your hand in front of you face..... This dude is a Hero and for what politics maybe but HES AMERICAN. I told you before you dont understand what that means to most of us when we say it you never could.
Its obvious you didnt catch my point.tell me why YOU hate Iraqis.And I am NOT accusing Proud To Be.Far from it I know how hard it is and that he is doing his duty as he was ordered to!What you DONT understand is that HATRED between people is never a result from the people THEMSELVES!Unlike you people(excluding Proud to Be) I ve spent 2 years in the army by force and things are a lot different when you arent doing it by will.Especially when you view people full of unneeded hatred and nationalistic believes that cause further problems everyday.I know how it is when people from each part hate each other thanks to certain policies and fanatics!I saw hatred caused by mistakes of few and of superiors and not by the people themselves almost everyday but the people hate each other!I am NOT blaming ANY of you or the SOLDIERS that are fighting for the war!!
Its just that there is an aspect of war you dont seem to get.Unneeded but unavoidable hatred is created with war.Its not a choice of the soldiers or you or me.There is NO justified war!
And usually "country and nationalism" are the best motivations to keep people fighting and believe for what they are fighting for without questioning the reason!
Stop using "being an American" as an excuse for God\'s sakes!The pride causes further problems, unneeded hatred and irrational judgement!I speak from experience!These are the best "Weapons" to keep people blindfolded!!
An example:My "enemy" is taught to be proud and hate me and my country for the sakes of being a Turkish.My side is being taught to be proud and hate the Turkish for the sakes of being a Greek-Cypriot!For years in Turkey Turkish history is viewed as a country that has being attacked for centuries by the barbarian and imperialistic Greek people and how proud they should be for being Turkish!The Greeks are being told that they have been attacked by the barbarian and imperialistic Turkish people.the real story is that both showed imperialistic tendancies against each other.But you cant see the true history and facts if you are too proud.For years many bigoted people for generations hate each other and want to kill each other because they are taught that they should kill for the proection and pride of their country while the real motivations were far different!
I ve learned to judge things as a human first as a Greek later
Where\'s your free will?Your judgement as a self-controlled existence when you just view things as a proud American and not as human???
Just as you are telling me I dont understand how it is to be an American, Greek-Cypriots are telling me the same thing about being Greek!The same thing the Turkish believe about their nation.And their regime is not even democratic.Army rules in Turkey.
Originally posted by PSX_J
Uni for PTB it\'s not about the politics anymore. None of us have a clue what war is like but just from listening to a few veterans talk the politics doesnt matter much anymore. It\'s the fact somebody is trying to kill you stemming up a great ammount of hatred.
Doesnt differ at all from what I said in a previous post.
I reacted to some posts since you dont know what or how war is certain comments shouldnt have been said.Proud to be has every reason to express them.You dont.He is there becuase he was sent to.He must survive.He is being shot at because he was sent there.His comrades, his friends die, he must kill to save them.He sees death.You dont.
He is full with hatred and worry and this feelings are unavoidable for means of survival.Sometimes irrational thinking may occur.He is justified for thinking even like that.You are not.For him politics mean nothing and its common sense.Bu you view a war from a distance and you have a clear mind.
Expressing brutal comments of killing that lead to opinions of hatred towards other people while you view things from a distance has no excuse.Especially in a war like this.
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Dude, chill. I am in no way thinking like PTB...it just seems to me that you dont understand why he hates the Iraqis. Im trying to help justify the way he talks..ofcourse I dont know what war is like "yet" and Im not trying to express how I feel about it. I was trying to explain to you that his reasons for hating the Iraqis are understandable. He\'s defending our freedom everyday putting his life in harms way as lunatics try to take it, that\'s bound to change your way of thinking. I didnt think you understood that, but quit trying to make it sound like Im giving you a first person perspective of war...Im not and I cant....and if Im lucky I\'ll never have to.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I reacted to some posts since you dont know what or how war is certain comments shouldnt have been said.Proud to be has every reason to express them.You dont.He is there becuase he was sent to.He must survive.He is being shot at because he was sent there.His comrades, his friends die, he must kill to save them.He sees death.You dont.
He is full with hatred and worry and this feelings are unavoidable for means of survival.Sometimes irrational thinking may occur.He is justified for thinking even like that.You are not.For him politics mean nothing and its common sense.Bu you view a war from a distance and you have a clear mind.
Expressing brutal comments of killing that lead to opinions of hatred towards other people while you view things from a distance has no excuse.Especially in a war like this.
very well said uni..why don\'t you post over in current events? we need more like you over there...oh and space out those paragraphs..;)
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Some Marines were killed yesterday in Western Iraq - I know the base where PTB is posting from - its on the Syrian border. Let\'s hope he is safe.
I hope some of you realize if he is actually posted in that area - it is one of the most dangerous areas of that country.
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Again as I said before... YOU HAVE NO CONECEPT OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AMERICAN..... why do I hate Iraqs because they are trying to kill AMERICANS and what kind of Americans the kind like Proud To Be that are they because he loves America and is there doing a job. What kind of Job the kind that makes something better than they had and the kind that are helping them be better than they were.. I have never been in War I was lucky that way but It doesnt mean I dont have a right to have an opionon of something so uni blow it out your ass...
When is cyprus next???
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Originally posted by PSX_J
Dude, chill. I am in no way thinking like PTB...it just seems to me that you dont understand why he hates the Iraqis. Im trying to help justify the way he talks..ofcourse I dont know what war is like "yet" and Im not trying to express how I feel about it. I was trying to explain to you that his reasons for hating the Iraqis are understandable. He\'s defending our freedom everyday putting his life in harms way as lunatics try to take it, that\'s bound to change your way of thinking. I didnt think you understood that, but quit trying to make it sound like Im giving you a first person perspective of war...Im not and I cant....and if Im lucky I\'ll never have to.
If you check my posts I never criticized Proud to Be\'s way of thinking.I too said his feelings are justified.Its other people\'s reactions I didnt like.Sorry for sounding offensive towards you.Its that some people think I am anti-American.
Originally posted by Cyrus
Again as I said before... YOU HAVE NO CONECEPT OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AMERICAN..... why do I hate Iraqs because they are trying to kill AMERICANS and what kind of Americans the kind like Proud To Be that are they because he loves America and is there doing a job. What kind of Job the kind that makes something better than they had and the kind that are helping them be better than they were.. I have never been in War I was lucky that way but It doesnt mean I dont have a right to have an opionon of something so uni blow it out your ass...
When is cyprus next???
You know whats funny?The American soldiers are placed on an Iraqi territory.And you expect from others to understand how it is like to be an American while you dont understand how its is like to be a proud Iraqi.You dont understand that a proud American doesnt differ from a proud Greek, or a proud Iraqi or a proud Russian etc.Americans arent the only proud people.They all feel the same shit.Its the pride and this feel of nationalism that its killing each other.
You can have whatever opinion you like.Even on things you never experienced.Everyone can.Having a valid one is another matter.
And if indeed you put some effort to read my post you would have understood thats its this pride that gets people to hate and kill each other.I live the consequences of such pride.I have relatives that suffered even the consequences of a coup becuase of that pride.This pride might even lead to compatriots killing compatriots.People lost families,women, children, brothers friends, relatives, all unarmed because of the pride which causes even more hatred after the deaths.
The thing is about your country is that only the soldiers face this consequences while the American citizens fortunately view it from a safe position.It doesnt matter if you are proud or not in a country that doesnt have direct contact with the hatred a another country expresses towards you.
Instead of seeing my posts as anti-american criticism(becuase thats not what I am trying to do but you think it is) you should start viewing it as an effort to inform you and help you understand things you cant understand by yourself.
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I agree with Uni.
Although, as a soldier it is almost required that you have "hate" for certain people.
You cannot kill on the battlefield if you have not decided that they deserve to die.
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i undrstand what you\'re sayin\' uni..and to a degree i see your point..every country has that pride ?& the u.s. in general has to be careful in labeling countries they call enemies...for the most part i feel it is a bad country when we do go war...
but at the same time i feel that those countries that we are fightin\',..their commanders & people in their country are tellin them we are the enemy and to stand up against us..(the enemy)..so there\'s that pride thing there...both sides feel they are fighting for the greater good..maybe i\'m not makin\' myself clear,..but hopefully you get the point...
concerning this war (iraq) i hope proud to be & the rest of the soldiers come home safe,..i just feel that they shouldn\'t be there in the first place...
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Everyone, my name is Josh.
GigaShadow, how do you know of the info you have?
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
I agree with Uni.
Although, as a soldier it is almost required that you have "hate" for certain people.
You cannot kill on the battlefield if you have not decided that they deserve to die.
Not just required.Its unavodable too.Your friends die and the enemy is threatening your life too.Enough reason to dislike and hate.
Also the need of survival is enough to make someone decide to kill.Ofcourse seeing your comrades die is also enough to decide Iraqis desreve to die too.And its not strange.
Originally posted by clips
i undrstand what you\'re sayin\' uni..and to a degree i see your point..every country has that pride ?& the u.s. in general has to be careful in labeling countries they call enemies...for the most part i feel it is a bad country when we do go war...
but at the same time i feel that those countries that we are fightin\',..their commanders & people in their country are tellin them we are the enemy and to stand up against us..(the enemy)..so there\'s that pride thing there...both sides feel they are fighting for the greater good..maybe i\'m not makin\' myself clear,..but hopefully you get the point...
concerning this war (iraq) i hope proud to be & the rest of the soldiers come home safe,..i just feel that they shouldn\'t be there in the first place...
Yes you seem to get my point at some extent.Both sites fight for what they believe in.Even if they have different ideas of whats wrong or right.
And I hope they come back safe as well
btw something else to inform you generally on every war.Usually the ones that are being attacked have stronger motives to fight than the ones that attack.
for example lets see a few reasons why the American soldiers are sent there:
1)free another country from a dictator=Not a strong motive for an American to fight for since its basically sending him to die fighting for the sakes of a country he doesnt belong to
2)Find weapons of mass destruction=Not a sure thing if they exist and not necessarilly a sure thread to his country
3)Fight to weaken future terrorist attacks againts his country.Also not a sure thing.Al Quida is from islam fanatics.Iraq was a political regime and had disputes with religiously bigoted Islamic countries.
4)The best motive is survival and save their comrades.
The answer we get from soldiers is usually "I am just doing my duty"
The iraqis that fight on the other hand have other beliefs
1)USA threatens the autonomy of their country
2)They are too proud to let outsiders enter their country
3)They fight for their leader
4)They fight for revenge after losing relatives thanks to the bombing attacks
5)They dont want to let the USA exploit their energy resources which is basically not letting the USA exploit the Iraqi people
6)They are too proud to let others decide whats good for their country or not
7)The need for survival and save their compatriots
8)they are being attacked.They must defend
Who knows also what they are being told againts the USA
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Originally posted by Unicron!
8)they are being attacked.They must defend
I dont know where they are being attacked by us, and where they are I gaurantee its for a good cause, but where I\'m from here in Al Qa\'im the only attacks made are against us. They use IED\'s(Improvised Explosive Devices) made out of anything they can get their dirty hands on, put them beside the road and wait for us to come by and wack us. Also, Mines come into play, double stacked anti-tank mines for that matter. You know what kind of damage that shit does to our humvees? survival rate is almost zero. They dont know what the f*ck is gonna run that shit over, most likely is on the routes that we cover daily, but they dont care about killing each other either. So be it, as long as there is a chance of us hitting it.
We get hit almost daily, due to their f*cking retarded antics, hiding like bitchs setting off bombs and running.
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I hope you enjoy those pics BTW. The two in the green feild were after an RPG and small arms attack, supplied by the iraqi police in the surrounding area.
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Originally posted by Proud To Be
I dont know where they are being attacked by us, and where they are I gaurantee its for a good cause, but where I\'m from here in Al Qa\'im the only attacks made are against us. They use IED\'s(Improvised Explosive Devices) made out of anything they can get their dirty hands on, put them beside the road and wait for us to come by and wack us. Also, Mines come into play, double stacked anti-tank mines for that matter. You know what kind of damage that shit does to our humvees? survival rate is almost zero. They dont know what the f*ck is gonna run that shit over, most likely is on the routes that we cover daily, but they dont care about killing each other either. So be it, as long as there is a chance of us hitting it.
We get hit almost daily, due to their f*cking retarded antics, hiding like bitchs setting off bombs and running.
Yeah you are right.
I believe you are there till things are settled and the country becomes stable.Ofcourse you can inform me on this if I am not right.
Butunfortunately for them there is no difference.Their country got attacked is the only thing they see.They have a totally different way of thinking than Americans and Europeans.They can not let foreigners interfere.And always political regimes were the army had the presence of the ruler like the one of Sadam\'s have the biggest fanatics!The fanatics will do anything to "clean" their country from you even if it means to sacrfice trheirselves and innocent people.Its illogical for us but it is not for them.You werent prepared for what was going to follow next since nobody had an idea of how they think in such countries.
When are they planning to get you out of there btw?
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Originally posted by Proud To Be
Everyone, my name is Josh.
GigaShadow, how do you know of the info you have?
We get casualty reports daily. How old they are I don\'t know. No names are given just if they were Iraqi or American and what branch of service.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
When are they planning to get you out of there btw?
They say October, but god knows when we will actually leave. Dates change all the time. Its all rumor untill we actually take off. God I cant wait for that day.