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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Black Samurai on July 30, 2004, 08:19:06 PM
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- What is your stance on gay rights?
- Do you think that homosexuals should have the right to get married? (why/why not?)
- Do you think people are born homosexual or is it a learned trait?
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1. Im pro-everyone rights.
2. Yes because marriage is part of the government and everyone has equal rights under governement according to the US constitution, despite any traditional or religious rule that divides us into groups of inequality.
3. I think people are born with certain mental traits that allow for the development for an attraction to the same sex, but it may or may not ever be realized.
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1) Can do everything except get married. Marriage was formed for a man and woman to be wed together in holy matromony. If they want to get recognized by the state as a "couple" I don\'t care, but it\'s weird to see them rewriting religion getting married in a church. Similar to how the King of England (forget which) changed law to allow divorce and split European Christianity in half.
2) see #1, but to expand.. there are certain advantages a couple gets such as tax breaks so if the government wants to see them as a couple I have no problem with it.
3) learned.
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Marriage was formed for a man and woman to be wed together in holy matromony. If they want to get recognized by the state as a "couple" I don\'t care, but it\'s weird to see them rewriting religion getting married in a church.
If it is "Holy" then it should have never been tarnished by the states involvement.
So I agree with you, lets have no marriages in government only unions. And then i\'ll be happy.
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^^^Yea, one of the main reasons the pilgrims came to America, to separate church from state. Once you legislate religion the legalities of man make it :ghey:. But to be honest I bet they never saw this coming in the 1800s-early 1900s.
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Henry VIII split England from the Catholic Church. I agree with THX\'s stance on this. I also agree our founding fathers never saw this coming.
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Its a tricky subject.
1) Depends on what kinds of rights we are talking about but descrimination just because of the fact is wrong IMO.
2) Mmm... On one side, its like who cares, but the fact of the matter is that marriage wasnt meant to be between two people of the same sex. Sure it may seem unfair but you cant just change what has supposedly been ordainded since the begining of time out of nowhere. What gain is so damn important by having themselves married in the first place? Like i said its a little tricky, but im going to have to say no.
3) Yes and no. Chemical imbalances can make it a lot easier for somebody to become gay but in this day and age, a lot of it is learned.
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Sure it may seem unfair but you cant just change what has supposedly been ordainded since the begining of time out of nowhere.
If we never changed the ways of old, we\'d still have slaves working in the fields, and women working in the kitchens.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
If we never changed the ways of old, we\'d still have slaves working in the fields, and women working in the kitchens.
No shit sherlock. I was talking about the speed at which they think things can be changed. It took how long to end slavery and get womens rights? Hundreds of years.
Either way. Gay rights wont change over night.
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1. Homo, hetero, bi, tri, black, white...whatever. Equal rights for everyone. There\'s no reason for exceptions.
2. Sure, why not? Seriously, what\'s the big deal? religious zealots need not apply. Really, go away.
3. Not sure. There are so many theories and none of them have been proven. I\'m thinking it has something to do with a chemical imbalance or something goin\' in the genetic makeup.
How would one go about learning homosexuality?
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From example. As children, ideas can be mixed up and changed around or made into their own, thus possibly promoting some sort of idea like "I get the best of both worlds" (or something like that).
More or less - i agree with you. But learning the concept and taking it on as your own is not as difficult as it may seem. Of course, like we both said, chemical imbalances do play significant roles.
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Originally posted by Ginko
How would one go about learning homosexuality?
Ever see the show Oz? :rolleyes:
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But learning the concept and taking it on as your own is not as difficult as it may seem.
For one you\'re assuming it\'s learned, two you\'re assuming it\'s then a choice.
Ever see the show Oz?
Well if a tv show already discussed it then case closed ,huh?:rolleyes:
Outside of what you\'ve seen on tv or what your friends/family might have told you...how much do you really know about the subject? Enough to make accusations it seems...mind sharing?
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I was being sarcastic about the show, but I suppose homosexuality is really "learned" in prison.
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I was being sarcastic about the show, but I suppose homosexuality is really "learned" in prison.
oh, lol. didn\'t know what Oz is about...
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Originally posted by Ginko
oh, lol. didn\'t know what Oz is about...
:laughing: sometimes I wish I didn\'t!
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Interesting tidbit on whether homosexuality is learned or not, every major civilization with a recorded history has had homosexual practices. My genetics class had a discussion on it, unfortunately that book is long gone and I can\'t cite a source. I\'ll try finding a link somewhere later, but that is one reason why they are leaning towards it being a genetic trait and not learned.
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1--gays should be able to do what they want...
2 i agree on civil unions..not marriage..that is between man & woman..always has been always will be..like i said before you don\'t see animals doin it..yea somebody made a comment b4 that a monkey did it or something..anyway rare case...now i have nothing against gays at all this just how i personally feel about it..
don\'t even get me started on the raising of kids part...there was another thread like this awhile back and i stated why i don\'t think they should raise kids...
3---not sure..i\'ve heard of some people bein born with both sexual organs (not sayin that is a reason) just trying to show how maybe some might have certain hormones geared toward being that way..but that\'s just me lookin\' way too deep into it..i\'d really have say that those that are gay have done so by choice...
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1) If you live in America, the Constitution applies to everyone. Everyone should be given the same rights no matter if you are straight, gay or bi.
2) I personally don\'t care. Gay marriage isn\'t gonna affect me. I say let them get married. Legally, its just two names on a piece of paper. Joint accounts can be given to gay couples and its like being married. Religous marriage is a different topic.
3) I think both. People are born the way they are but they have to learn what they are born...if that makes any sense.
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2 i agree on civil unions..not marriage..that is between man & woman..always has been always will be.
That\'s fine except for the people who agree with the ideas on which this country was made.
(so take marriage out of the government, or make it for gays. either will be fine.)
And being gay -cannot- be a choice. It may not be at birth, but even if it is developed, it is not a choice. If you develop to like a certain type of women, like brown hair for example, did you do so by choice?
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1. Equal rights for everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. should be something this country prides itself on.
2. Yes, I think in the legal sense they should. I think any religion should have the right to refuse to recognize it or perform it if they so choose though. However, legally, with seperation of church and state, I don\'t see any reason why gays shouldn\'t be allowed to get married the same way straight people are.
3. I think it can be both ways, to an extent. I think some people are just born gay, they only like the same sex their entire lives. However, I think there are other people who are born more bisexual, but due to the way society is, only follow the straight part of that for a time. Then, for whatever reason, be it a positive homosexual experience, a negative heterosexual one, or whatever, they decide to embrace the homosexual part of their sexual desires that they had previously ignored.
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Gay\'s are still people. And the constitution protects the people\'s rights.
Religious noodle brains really need to stay out of the topic. I don\'t care if Christianity says that crap, that\'s Christianity not government. And it\'s hypocritical for people to see things that way...Anyways, I\'m good with them getting married, I don\'t feel powerful enough to tell people who to love. Marriage in the church is a different stand, I don\'t think gays should force themselves in the church, they should just respect them and move on.
I think it\'s a learned thing.