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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Black Samurai on August 01, 2004, 12:55:36 PM
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Okay. I just recently saw Al\'s speech at the DNC and I have to say that it was probably one of the best speeches of the entire event(better than Clinton\'s). It seemed like the audience, for the most part, loved it as well.
I was just watching the Daily Show and they were playing back what the pundits were saying about his speech and I was amazed. They were ripping him apart. Now I understand not liking the man but that was an incredible speech.
Thoughts? Does anyone even care?
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Could you give us a link to his speech?
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I actually watched his speech on tape. If I can find the video I will post it.
Until then, here is a transcript (http://www.kirotv.com/news/3590167/detail.html)
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Al Sharpton is an outrageous idiot, along the likes of Don King. The guy is truely a moron in my book.
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Oh boy, Rule Number #1 to tell if a politician is lying---He opens his mouth.
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THey were ripping him because he was upstaging everyone. But the dude\'s a preacher. That\'s what they do.
Oh yeah, another thing. THe dude\'s a freak.
Did you see the Daily Show story about everyone voting for anyone not George Bush? It was pretty funny.
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Exactly, why is it that all the prominent black leaders are all preachers or men of god.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Exactly, why is it that all the prominent black leaders are all preachers or men of god.
Hmm... as if theres something wrong with that.
A lot of black people are people of god. Unlike so many OTHER people :rolleyes: .
JFWU
It was a pretty damn good speach. Hes a good speaker. Theres no doubt about that. I dont care whether you like him or not, but if you cant admit that fact, then youre just ****ing stupid and/or deaf.
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Wow. That was a good speech. If you guys in here are gonna call him stupid, give me a good damn reason, don\'t just talk out of your ass.
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It\'s a sad sad world when people start to defend Al Sharpton.
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I would hardly rank that as a great speech. Sharpton is a racist and he should really take a look at what he has done before saying Bush misled people - does Tawanna Brawly ring a bell? A man of God? :rolleyes:
Also when giving a speech, it helps to use proper grammar.
"If I told you tonight, Let\'s leave the Fleet Center, we\'re in danger, and when you get outside, you ask me, Reverend Al, What is the danger? and I say, It don\'t matter."
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what an excellent speech..anybody that says otherwise is a complete idiot..so what he ran into a small hurdle with twanna brawly...that is so small when compared to having the bin ladens as friends & sending troops to die when your info wasn\'t fully realized...give the guy a freakin\' break...just because he\'s on the scene whenever there\'s some type of racial injustice AND he speaks his mind he\'s a racist?!
i see why there will be no black president...because of a$$hole\'s ways of thinking in this forum...
and some will come right back & say "but clips any other black person would be a great alternative" colin powell..a few others that i can\'t think of right now may be true...point is is that it was a great speech i didn\'t find anything wrong with any of it...
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Originally posted by clips
what an excellent speech..anybody that says otherwise is a complete idiot..so what he ran into a small hurdle with twanna brawly...that is so small when compared to having the bin ladens as friends & sending troops to die when your info wasn\'t fully realized...give the guy a freakin\' break...just because he\'s on the scene whenever there\'s some type of racial injustice AND he speaks his mind he\'s a racist?!
i see why there will be no black president...because of a$$hole\'s ways of thinking in this forum...
Do you even listen to yourself? Friends with bin ladens? :rolleyes:
Al Sharpton is a joke - people accuse Bush of being a divider - Sharpton takes the crown in that category. Yes, he is a proven racist.
Not only from the Tawana Brawley incident, but from Crown Heights, the Central Park Rapists, Bernard Goetz incidents and the quote below is from Fredi\'s Fashion Mart Massacre:
His protesters, sometimes joined by Sharpton, shouted racial epithets like "Jew bastards" and "the bloodsucking Jews," while referring to other whites as "crackers" and black customers as "traitors."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/519253/posts
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friends with bin laden is of course stretching it a bit,..he was if i\'m not mistaken directly or indirectly tied to bin laden in some way..the above was stated in a heated vent...as far as sharpton goes...he had every right to question why somebody would say that about a funeral...princess di..died years ago and they are still glamorizing her death...let her die already...
what was the big deal in criticizing the funeral? none..whoever this editor was was just bein an idiot...i will agree with you on the part about who sharpton has in his entourage..maybe he let these individuals go that are in his camp yellin\' these profanities, cause i didn\'t hear near one during or after the presidential debates...
finally my post was strickly about his speech which i thought was great...if i would have found something wrong it whether he was black or white is not an issue...to me it was a well written speech and i find nothing wrong with it to be criticized the way it\'s bein\' judged...
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Originally posted by clips
finally my post was strickly about his speech which i thought was great...if i would have found something wrong it whether he was black or white is not an issue...to me it was a well written speech and i find nothing wrong with it to be criticized the way it\'s bein\' judged...
It is impossible to overlook the race baiting idiot who gave that speech. I don\'t even think anything he does is worthy of glorifying.
Someone asked why all black leaders are "preachers" and the like... it must be the messiah complex they all share. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Wow. That was a good speech. If you guys in here are gonna call him stupid, give me a good damn reason, don\'t just talk out of your ass.
How about those who praise him give a "damn good reason"?
Isn\'t that why this thread was started?
I guess that means all of you are just "talking out of your ass"...
As for Sharpton, how come he never protests when a non-black person (not necessarily innocent) is the victim of alleged racism?
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look,..the guy is no boy scout i admit,..i was only commenting on his speech and you cats wanna bring up his whole career..what is really scary is that people voted for guiliani,..knowing that he marched with ny cops yelling "nigger nigger" referring to then mayor david dinkins...*clips brushes his shoulder off for silencing the critics*...;)
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As I was only commenting on his speech.
The speech was good because I agree with him about giving reperations to former slaves and what not. Because the system did not grant them a fair chance at economic equality untill recently, and it is hard to succeed when everyone else has been educated and successfull 100 years before you get a chance.
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Originally posted by clips
look,..the guy is no boy scout i admit,..i was only commenting on his speech and you cats wanna bring up his whole career..what is really scary is that people voted for guiliani,..knowing that he marched with ny cops yelling "nigger nigger" referring to then mayor david dinkins...*clips brushes his shoulder off for silencing the critics*...;)
A politician is the sum of his career. Sharpton = moron. Sharpton\'s speech = same old nonsense.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
The speech was good because I agree with him about giving reperations to former slaves and what not. Because the system did not grant them a fair chance at economic equality untill recently, and it is hard to succeed when everyone else has been educated and successfull 100 years before you get a chance.
The day reparations are paid is the day hell will freeze over. Your logic is also flawed in that immigrants who arrive here with pocket lint become successful - why can\'t blacks? Stop blaming a dead institution for the problems suffered by blacks in the 21st century.
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hmmm...so the americans that voted for guliani knowing that he marched with ny cops yelling & holding signs of racial disgust aren\'t morons? my point is that i\'m comparing the two & yet guliani was voted in regardless of that,..yet when sharpton shouts such statements he\'s a moron...talk about the pot callin the kettle black..:rolleyes: and sharptons speech spoke volumes whether you want to acknowledge that or not....
*and yes i know sharpton shouldn\'t be shoutin such rhetoric,..but neither should guliani or the guys that are supposedly to serve and to protect....
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Originally posted by clips
sharptons speech spoke volumes whether you want to acknowledge that or not....
I agree... volumes of $hit.
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You all act like racists in politics is a new concept :p
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And even if someone hasn\'t done great things in the past, does that mean he can\'t point out when other people are doing bad or even worse things? I don\'t think so.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
And even if someone hasn\'t done great things in the past, does that mean he can\'t point out when other people are doing bad or even worse things? I don\'t think so.
As Ashford pointed out what was so great about that speech? He wants donkeys and 40 acres?
clips - please point out a link where Guillani was carrying a racist sign and yelling racist comments. If Al Sharpton is the best the black community has for a leader - it is in sad shape.
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I think his speech was good because it accomplished what he wanted it to. It said what he wanted, it got a great reaction, and it has people talking, as this thread shows. What more do you want from a speech?
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We are talking more about him than the speech. Like I said, you can\'t dismiss the man\'s actions and previous comments.
Since this is about the DNC speech I will add that his speech was nothing more than ultra liberal rhetoric aimed at African Americans - so yes I guess you can say he reached his target audience. A divider - not a uniter. His speech was on par for his overall standing on issues. They alienate moderates who are not black.
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i didn\'t say he was carrying the sign or yelling racist remarks..only that he was marching with them...
do me a favor and read the speech..stop bein so one sided..damn even tho i don\'t like bush that much i can still point out some things good that he\'s done...you act like you can\'t find nothing good in the speech,..without going into detail everything he spoke upon in that speech was the truth..nothing more and nothing less..i look at both sides of the spectrum giga...and if somebody that i like or if they\'re a democrat and they\'re into shady s**t i\'ll call them out on it regardless of my political agenda
it\'s ok to be loyal... it\'s not ok to be blindless sheep...
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Yes I see a conflict with politics and church, the two should not mix. That so being that the political leaders of the black community all are preachers. Too bad they don\'t act like them.
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Originally posted by clips
i didn\'t say he was carrying the sign or yelling racist remarks..only that he was marching with them...
do me a favor and read the speech..stop bein so one sided..damn even tho i don\'t like bush that much i can still point out some things good that he\'s done...you act like you can\'t find nothing good in the speech,..without going into detail everything he spoke upon in that speech was the truth..nothing more and nothing less..i look at both sides of the spectrum giga...and if somebody that i like or if they\'re a democrat and they\'re into shady s**t i\'ll call them out on it regardless of my political agenda
it\'s ok to be loyal... it\'s not ok to be blindless sheep...
Marching with the NYPD who happen to have a few bad apples marching with them is a hell of a lot different than actually inciting and condoning hate crimes (see Al Sharpton). You can\'t even draw a parallel to Sharpton and Guilliani.
I read the speech - I don\'t think you have. I found nothing mind blowing or moving in that speech - just more whining and race dividing by Sharpton. Paying reparations!?!?!?! Yeah that will bring the country together. Also the reason he received a good reaction to is because 40 percent of the delegats were minorities and the rest were hard core liberals. You honestly don\'t think Sharpton has questionable practices regarding race relations? I guess you would have voted for Marion Barry after his drug bust eh?
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Yes I see a conflict with politics and church, the two should not mix. That so being that the political leaders of the black community all are preachers. Too bad they don\'t act like them.
They are all little wanna be Martin Luther King\'s. MLK was no saint, but he did more for blacks than any one man in this country.
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They alienate moderates who are not black.
Im white, I liked the speech.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Im white, I liked the speech.
I said moderate. You are not and if you feel like paying reparations I am sure clips will take your money. :rolleyes:
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a few bad apples? but you\'re the mayor (well at that time a cadidate for mayor) and you associate yourself people like that? sorry it was more than a few bad apples..and guliani watchted while the nypd performed some of the most atrcious acts in police history...i don\'t have to list them..you know them very well...and guliani believed these crooked cops to very end...up to the point to where the evidence had to slap him in the face...
say what you want..but guliani let ALOT of s**t slide when it came to the nypd...and that is just as bad as bein racist...he smiled in your face & touted bein tough on crime,..but whenever the nypd performed some type of racial crime all they would get is desk duty or paid time off? pathectic...
they want to call him the great mayor because of how he handled 911? :rolleyes: he did what any other mayor would\'ve done in a crisis...
and i did make parallel comparisons...both were associated with groups that shouted racial profanities yet THAT was completely ignored when guliani was runnin\' for mayor...
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Originally posted by clips
a few bad apples? but you\'re the mayor (well at that time a cadidate for mayor) and you associate yourself people like that? sorry it was more than a few bad apples..and guliani watchted while the nypd performed some of the most atrcious acts in police history...i don\'t have to list them..you know them very well...and guliani believed these crooked cops to very end...up to the point to where the evidence had to slap him in the face...
say what you want..but guliani let ALOT of s**t slide when it came to the nypd...and that is just as bad as bein racist...he smiled in your face & touted bein tough on crime,..but whenever the nypd performed some type of racial crime all they would get is desk duty or paid time off? pathectic...
they want to call him the great mayor because of how he handled 911? :rolleyes: he did what any other mayor would\'ve done in a crisis...
and i did make parallel comparisons...both were associated with groups that shouted racial profanities yet THAT was completely ignored when guliani was runnin\' for mayor...
Well where are these links? Where are your sources? Rudy Guillani is no Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton is a black David Duke who thrives on racial hatred and division.
Even if he did back the NYPD during the investigation into the abuse charges, he did it once. How many events has Al particpated in knowing that the people he was siding with were wrong? Why did he do this? Because they were black. The Central Park Rape Case where a mob of black and hispanic youths repeatedly raped a white female jogger and left her in a coma - who defended them? Al of course! Great role model there clips!
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Al Sharpton wants reparations?
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Read the speech - Abraham Lincoln promised blacks a mule and 40 acres and he wants to know where the hell they are!
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Then you guys are right he is a moron.
If we\'re going to give reparations, then we need to deal with the indians. We really just had a holocaust of our own there.
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oboy..first of all i don\'t think blacks should get reparations for slavery..end of story...now guliani defended those police officers every single time...there was an incident where a cop choked a hispanic dude to death with his nightstick..while he was in handcuffs! guliani defended that guy to the hilt...sorry if you really wanna compare,..he\'s worst than sharpton how many minorities were either abused or murdered by cops under his watch?..alot! i don\'t need to post links for that i\'m sure you know this already..you wouldn\'t understand tho...i\'m sure you\'ve never been harrassed or abused for that matter by the good ol nypd...
guliani may not have been in your face with his racism but he turned a blind eye to alot of scenarios that went down..and that is just as bad as someone (sharpton) shouting racial slurs... he was a man in charge of the most famous city in the world..the nypd was becoming notorious for these acts under his watch...
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Originally posted by clips
oboy..first of all i don\'t think blacks should get reparations for slavery..end of story...now guliani defended those police officers every single time...there was an incident where a cop choked a hispanic dude to death with his nightstick..while he was in handcuffs! guliani defended that guy to the hilt...sorry if you really wanna compare,..he\'s worst than sharpton how many minorities were either abused or murdered by cops under his watch?..alot! i don\'t need to post links for that i\'m sure you know this already..you wouldn\'t understand tho...i\'m sure you\'ve never been harrassed or abused for that matter by the good ol nypd...
guliani may not have been in your face with his racism but he turned a blind eye to alot of scenarios that went down..and that is just as bad as someone (sharpton) shouting racial slurs... he was a man in charge of the most famous city in the world..the nypd was becoming notorious for these acts under his watch...
Links please. Sharpton is a documented racist. I could find nothing proving Gulliani is.
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i couldn\'t find those pics of guliaini...but i remember seeing him on the news marching with those cops & whatnot. it happened and you\'ll just have to take my word for it...and that is something you should remember as well since it was all over the news at the time...
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what was the march for?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
As Ashford pointed out what was so great about that speech? He wants donkeys and 40 acres?
You are a f*cking idiot. You take an entire speech and boil it down to one anecdote about blacks supporting the democratic party? You are a joke. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
A politician is the sum of his career.
You are a hypocrite. If that is the case what has Bush done in his career that makes him deserve your lips on his nuts at all times? He is a past alcoholic, a former drug user, executed more prisoners than any governor in history, has one of the worst environmental policies ever, created the largest defecit in american history, and destroyed foreign relations after having almost unilateral worldwide support.
But hey... at least he didn\'t protest with people who said "cracker"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ViVi
what was the march for?
the cops were mad because dinkins went to go see an african amer..who was brutaly abused by the police...i think something happened to the cop as well..not sure about the cop...but the nypd felt dinkins betrayed them by going to visit this youngster..they went to the streets protesting and guliani was right in the middle of them protesting..and some of those ny police officers held signs up saying "that nigger must go!"... it was truly baffling because if you really think about it...it wasn\'t that long ago....
when guliani came into office it was like open season on minorities..
*gives black sammy a pound* ;)
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thats messed up
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
You are a f*cking idiot. You take an entire speech and boil it down to one anecdote about blacks supporting the democratic party? You are a joke. Plain and simple.
You are a hypocrite. If that is the case what has Bush done in his career that makes him deserve your lips on his nuts at all times? He is a past alcoholic, a former drug user, executed more prisoners than any governor in history, has one of the worst environmental policies ever, created the largest defecit in american history, and destroyed foreign relations after having almost unilateral worldwide support.
But hey... at least he didn\'t protest with people who said "cracker"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Whats wrong Black Sam the truth hurt? I don\'t support everything Bush does, but he is much more the man than Sharpton could ever hope to be jackass. How is that being hypocritical - we are talking about a persons character here not policies. So what if the "most" executions took place during the time he was governor!?!?!? I am pro capital punishment - doesn\'t bother me one bit.
Sharpton has as much political respect as David Duke - he was the joke of the primaries and now he is the joke of the convention. He did a lot more than protest with people who said cracker dumbass.
I would hope that you are not blinded by racism that you can\'t see it? The evidence is overwhelming about Sharpton. Even Jesse Jackson who has had a slip of the tongue as well is 10 times the leader Sharpton is. Sharpton is two bit race baiter who:
Defended rapists.
Knowingly backed a woman who made up a story about being raped.
Incited hatred towards Jews in which 3 people were killed.
Should I go on?
Why did he do these things? Racism.
Now back to speech...
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He didn\'t say anything new or enlightening. There wasn\'t one original thought in that whole thing. A great speech? Do you even know what one is? You are also failing to realize that people like Sharpton don\'t exactly help Kerry with the largest voter segment out there - moderates like myself.
For the record I am voting for Bush, but if Kerry wins I won\'t really care - in the end he will do the exact same thing regarding foreign policy that Bush did. I am not enthused about either, but it could be worse - Hillary Clinton could be running.
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Originally posted by clips
the cops were mad because dinkins went to go see an african amer..who was brutaly abused by the police...i think something happened to the cop as well..not sure about the cop...but the nypd felt dinkins betrayed them by going to visit this youngster..they went to the streets protesting and guliani was right in the middle of them protesting..and some of those ny police officers held signs up saying "that nigger must go!"... it was truly baffling because if you really think about it...it wasn\'t that long ago....
when guliani came into office it was like open season on minorities..
*gives black sammy a pound* ;)
Like I said clips put up or shut up. You can\'t prove Guilliani was racist and if that is your only defense about Sharpton you are as big of an idiot as BS.
I am still waiting for my link... :rolleyes:
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what do you mean only defense? i have sat here & compared the two..i have made two clear-cut comparisons between sharpton & guliani...sorry but i couldn\'t find links on it..i googled everything on it..i\'ll try again t\'morrow...but like i said..you\'re only a little bit older than i\'am and even if you weren\'t into politics the way you are now you should\'ve still heard about it...
i\'ve compared both you say sharpton\'s a racist i say guliani was one...only he enforced it from the mayor\'s office..
let me say this since you don\'t seem to get it..what if there was a huge amount of incidents involving ny officers(preferibly afri. amer.) abusing white people..and i mean ALOT of white people under dinkins watch..do you not think that white people would be in an uproar that they could not walk the streets without bein harrassed? yes they would! this is how it was when guliani was mayor bottomline...
now of course there were cases were minorities were up to no good...the point i\'m making is that there was ALOT of police brutality that guliani knew about & he constantly took their side...what does that tell you about the way he treated minorities? he treated them unfairly! capeesh?..c\'mon giga i didn\'t think i would have to break it down for you in every nook & cranny..
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Originally posted by clips
what do you mean only defense? i have sat here & compared the two..i have made two clear-cut comparisons between sharpton & guliani...sorry but i couldn\'t find links on it..i googled everything on it..i\'ll try again t\'morrow...but like i said..you\'re only a little bit older than i\'am and even if you weren\'t into politics the way you are now you should\'ve still heard about it...
i\'ve compared both you say sharpton\'s a racist i say guliani was one...only he enforced it from the mayor\'s office..
let me say this since you don\'t seem to get it..what if there was a huge amount of incidents involving ny officers(preferibly afri. amer.) abusing white people..and i mean ALOT of white people under dinkins watch..do you not think that white people would be in an uproar that they could not walk the streets without bein harrassed? yes they would! this is how it was when guliani was mayor bottomline...
now of course there were cases were minorities were up to no good...the point i\'m making is that there was ALOT of police brutality that guliani knew about & he constantly took their side...what does that tell you about the way he treated minorities? he treated them unfairly! capeesh?..c\'mon giga i didn\'t think i would have to break it down for you in every nook & cranny..
Sources clips - your opinion that he was racist is just that - an opinion, whereas Sharpton is a documented and notorious racist. I remember the NYPD sodomizing some African immigrant with a broom stick - but that was the NYPD, not Guilliani. You can\'t hold the man responsible for what other people do, unless he orders them to do it - which you have no shred of proof on. Sharpton\'s actions were witnessed my numerous people first hand and have been well documented.
You are mixing apples and oranges trying to justify Sharpton\'s disgusting behavior.
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Off topic- what the hell is a nook and cranny?
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Samurai, why don\'t you learn from clips and argue without the profanity?
And I\'m still wondering why Sharpton only helps out blacks...
Aren\'t men of God supposed to help everyone?
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Originally posted by Ashford
Samurai, why don\'t you learn from clips and argue without the profanity?
That would take time to do for him;) j/k
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Originally posted by Ashford
Samurai, why don\'t you learn from clips and argue without the profanity?
And I\'m still wondering why Sharpton only helps out blacks...
Aren\'t men of God supposed to help everyone?
Erm...wasn\'t Giga arguing with profanity, too? Sure, it was in defense, but it\'s going on from both ways.
Personally I thought Al Sharpton\'s speech at the DNC was pretty good, though he did go off on a tangent in the middle of it.
Of course, the media coverage was...less than superb.
See Yuz.
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Who wants to see a babbling baffoon speak? Not I.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Whats wrong Black Sam the truth hurt? I don\'t support everything Bush does, but he is much more the man than Sharpton could ever hope to be jackass. How is that being hypocritical - we are talking about a persons character here not policies. So what if the "most" executions took place during the time he was governor!?!?!? I am pro capital punishment - doesn\'t bother me one bit.
Sharpton has as much political respect as David Duke - he was the joke of the primaries and now he is the joke of the convention. He did a lot more than protest with people who said cracker dumbass.
Are you blinded by racism that you can\'t see it? The evidence is overwhelming about Sharpton. Even Jesse Jackson who has had a slip of the tongue as well is 10 times the leader Sharpton is. Sharpton is two bit race baiter who:
Defended rapists.
Knowingly backed a woman who made up a story about being raped.
Incited hatred towards Jews in which 3 people were killed.
Should I go on?
Why did he do these things? Racism.
Now back to speech...
:laughing:
He didn\'t say anything new or enlightening. There wasn\'t one original thought in that whole thing. A great speech? Do you even know what one is? You are also failing to realize that people like Sharpton don\'t exactly help Kerry with the largest voter segment out there - moderates like myself.
For the record I am voting for Bush, but if Kerry wins I won\'t really care - in the end he will do the exact same thing regarding foreign policy that Bush did. I am not enthused about either, but it could be worse - Hillary Clinton could be running.
You a moderate?!?
Then what am I?
A conservative Democrat?
HAHAHA...Wow, this guy is a true Republican. Hey say hello to the KKK leader for me would ya?
"The issue of government is not to determine who may sleep together in the bedroom, it\'s to help those that might not be eating in the kitchen.
We cannot welcome those to come and then try and act as though any culture will not be respected or treated inferior. We cannot look at the Latino community and preach one language. No one gave them an English test before they sent them to Iraq to fight for America."
---You said the Republican Party was the party of Lincoln and Frederick Douglass. It is true that Mr. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, after which there was a commitment to give 40 acres and a mule.
That\'s where the argument, to this day, of reparations starts. We never got the 40 acres. We went all the way to Herbert Hoover, and we never got the 40 acres.
We didn\'t get the mule. So we decided we\'d ride this donkey as far as it would take us. ---
Wow, so you took that one bit and made it the center of the speech? I don\'t think he was bitching about the acres, the guy just made a point. GWB can\'t compare with Lincoln or Douglass. He isn\'t smart enough.
"It was those that earned our vote that got our vote. We got the Civil Rights Act under a Democrat. We got the Voting Rights Act under a Democrat. We got the right to organize under Democrats.
As I ran for president, I hoped that one child would come out of the ghetto like I did, could look at me walk across the stage with governors and senators and know they didn\'t have to be a drug dealer, they didn\'t have to be a hoodlum, they didn\'t have to be a gangster, they could stand up from a broken home, on welfare, and they could run for president of the United States."
I liked all of those quotes, specially the one about people preaching one language. Great.
Anyways, it\'s hard to argue with someone that is so far back in time.
You remind me of the father of the star of "American History X". You can work and deal with black people or minorities or whatever but when you get home you tell your kids how much their trying to infiltrate their lives and how they shouln\'t listen to all the stuff they say and all this other BS. If you\'ve seen the movie you\'ll know what I\'m talking about.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
HAHAHA...Wow, this guy is a true Republican. Hey say hello to the KKK leader for me would ya?
....wtf?
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===Whats wrong Black Sam the truth hurt? I don\'t support everything Bush does, but he is much more the man than Sharpton could ever hope to be jackass. How is that being hypocritical - we are talking about a persons character here not policies. So what if the "most" executions took place during the time he was governor!?!?!? I am pro capital punishment - doesn\'t bother me one bit.===
"Black Sam"---clearly a racial issue
Bush "more than the man"---Clearly a lie...
"jackass"---Giga just being himself
"I am pro capital punishment"---Republican BS
Too bad Bush was governor of Texas. I\'m officially moving.
So if you mix racial issues, lying, giving insults but doesn\'t appreciate receiving them back, the hypocrisy of trying to "save lifes" and then trying to take away lives...what do you get?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
"Black Sam"---clearly a racial issue
whatever...
Originally posted by SirMystiq
Bush "more than the man"---Clearly a lie...
or opinion
Originally posted by SirMystiq
"I am pro capital punishment"---Republican BS
Could you imagine havin a family member brutally murdered, taken away from you for your lifetime, while the murderer sits in a cell. To me, thats getting away with it. If answer is yes, check your sack and make sure you have balls.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
Too bad Bush was governor of Texas. I\'m officially moving.
And he was president of the US. Why dont you move to mexico?
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Killing somebody for killing another person is a stupid and animalistic way of dealing with problems. Hey why don\'t we just kill all of the people in prisons and get it over with?
Anyways...if you like to talk about opinion that was my opinion of his post.
Good thing you say that he "was" president of the US. Mexico? Are you crazy? The President\'s screw people over and tell the whole world. At least here they try to hide it.
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Wow i stop coming for two days or so and we are already on page 3.
It all started from a speach. *Sigh*
Its too bad i had to come in so late. I dont even know where to start. One thing is for sure though - Giga i understand where you are coming from on some of your points but others are just ... something else that im not going to touch on at this point. Of course that must mean something like I dont know what im talking about:rolleyes: (if that makes any sense to you at all).
Meh...
When talking about his speech you criticized his grammar. Obviously you dont know too much about speaches and drawing in your audience. Perhaps in your overly conservative world a few places for incorrect grammar arent tolerated, but its a tactic. Whether he used it for tatical purposes or not im not sure but it IS a speach "tactic."
On the whole "not standing up for the rights of non-blacks" situation and being racist, id have to say thats a shady issue (of course everything is with us non conservative democrats eh?;) ). I understand (more or less) his turning down the opportunity to not defend a non black but that doesnt necisarily mean hes a racist. It doesnt mean that hes not a racist either but for a "wannabe preacher" on a mission, its his goal to secure a better world for blacks. I guess its really a difficult thing to explain and even if i did, the chance of some of the people picking up on it is slim.
And giga: Is it really that hard to fit two quotes in the same post?
jfwu
Viv on CP: I think it can often be worse for somebody to live their life out in a damn cage for the rest of their lives. Im just playing the devils advocate on this one, but considering this country is built off of christian beliefs, i dont think it would be very christian or holy like to just off and kill a man that has sinned so terribly. Thou shall not kill? Why lower ourselves to his level (the muderer that is)?
Just had to come in with a few words on the subject.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
"If I told you tonight, Let\'s leave the Fleet Center, we\'re in danger, and when you get outside, you ask me, Reverend Al, What is the danger? and I say, It don\'t matter."
Thanks to Bush I have no idea how to properly say Abugrav prison. He wtf-dodged that whole scandal by inflecting thoughts of confusion and uncertainty whenever it\'s mentioned by pronouncing it in three different ways.
"So you hear about Abu...nm"
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
HAHAHA...Wow, this guy is a true Republican. Hey say hello to the KKK leader for me would ya?
You remind me of the father of the star of "American History X". You can work and deal with black people or minorities or whatever but when you get home you tell your kids how much their trying to infiltrate their lives and how they shouln\'t listen to all the stuff they say and all this other BS. If you\'ve seen the movie you\'ll know what I\'m talking about.
Watch the slander Ms. Tiq. This is your only warning.
Black Sam is his name - he has been called that by others before me and all of a sudden its racial?!?! Its called being too lazy to type out Samurai.
To compare me with the father in American History X is also slanderous. You know nothing about me Ms. Tiq, but it doesn\'t surprise me because the first thing people who are in the wrong do is make unfounded accusations toward those that disagree with them.
Any person with a hint of intelligence would know Sharpton is a racist POS. I should have expected those who support would try and deflect that label to me. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Sources clips - your opinion that he was racist is just that - an opinion, whereas Sharpton is a documented and notorious racist. I remember the NYPD sodomizing some African immigrant with a broom stick - but that was the NYPD, not Guilliani. You can\'t hold the man responsible for what other people do, unless he orders them to do it - which you have no shred of proof on. Sharpton\'s actions were witnessed my numerous people first hand and have been well documented.
You are mixing apples and oranges trying to justify Sharpton\'s disgusting behavior.
but if he stands by idly & supports his officers after the fact,..then what do you conclude? giga you can play dumb all you want..everything does not have to documented to read between the lines...i\'ve already stated guliani was a racist behind the scenes..and you can see that by the actions he took every time his officers performed some hideous racial crime...
just like those wmd\'s... oh yea it\'s been documented that iraq had wmd\'s..funny how we still can\'t find those tho..:rolleyes:
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We all agree that Al Sharpton is a racist, correct?
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Originally posted by clips
but if he stands by idly & supports his officers after the fact,..then what do you conclude? giga you can play dumb all you want..everything does not have to documented to read between the lines...i\'ve already stated guliani was a racist behind the scenes..and you can see that by the actions he took every time his officers performed some hideous racial crime...
just like those wmd\'s... oh yea it\'s been documented that iraq had wmd\'s..funny how we still can\'t find those tho..:rolleyes:
That is your opinion that Gulliani was racist - NOT FACT. I have never heard of Gulliani endorsing that sort of behavior or even hinting that he does. You can\'t produce anything to support your comparison of him with Sharpton. Bringing up Iraq and wmd\'s shows how desperate you are getting in trying to justify your point.
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Originally posted by Ashford
Samurai, why don\'t you learn from clips and argue without the profanity?
This is forum is one of the roughest due to people\'s strong personal convictions so a little passion here and there isn\'t a bad thing. A little profanity is expected - I use it every now and then myself, but what I have a problem with is the slander - see Mystiq\'s post.
Calling someone an idiot and labeling them a member of the KKK are two completely different things. While personal attacks are discouraged, name calling will happen from time to time and as long as it doesn\'t become overtly personal there are no problems. However, when it does become personal - insinuating people are members of a racist organization falls into that category - they will not be tolerated.
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wow..do you honestly think guliani will openly endorse it? :rolleyes: ok maybe you just didn\'t follow that stuff the way i did i don\'t know where you live & maybe you didn\'t get the coverage but when these events happened we had the coverage on a daily basis...
that wmd comment was just to make a point & to make you understand..unfortunately you want everything documented..just know that just because it\'s documented doesn\'t ALWAYS equal out to be proof...
ok..another example take the o.j. trail...do you beleive he did it? i\'m sure most white people believe he did it..but it has not been DOCUMENTED that he did it..so going by your logic you believe he didn\'t do it right?...yea you see where i\'m goin with this...
just because it\'s not documented you know damn well o.j. did or had something to do with it, whether it\'s been documented or not..so don\'t sit there and try to push that if it\'s not documented it\'s not a fact...which is not always the case...
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Originally posted by clips
ok..another example take the o.j. trail...do you beleive he did it? i\'m sure most white people believe he did it..but it has not been DOCUMENTED that he did it..so going by your logic you believe he didn\'t do it right?...yea you see where i\'m goin with this...
just because it\'s not documented you know damn well o.j. did or had something to do with it, whether it\'s been documented or not..so don\'t sit there and try to push that if it\'s not documented it\'s not a fact...which is not always the case...
The thing is there was proof that OJ did it - the knife, the DNA, etc... now you are using a trial which has so many variables as your defense. You know as well I, that the prosecution blew the OJ case - just like the prosecution for the Scott Peterson case will drop the ball. Sometimes guilty people go free.
The fact is I have never heard that Guillani was a racist. Sure people didn\'t like him, but once again he isn\'t even remotely like Al Sharpton. Honestly, I can\'t see why anyone would defend the man - you are acting like he is MLK!
Sharpton also has close ties with the Nation of Islam - another racist organization. I really am growing weary of trying to show you how the majority of people in this country view him. Yesterday, I asked a friend here at work what she thought of Sharpton - her response was nothing but laughter and she is black.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The thing is there was proof that OJ did it - the knife, the DNA, etc... now you are using a trial which has so many variables as your defense. You know as well I, that the prosecution blew the OJ case - just like the prosecution for the Scott Peterson case will drop the ball. Sometimes guilty people go free.
The fact is I have never heard that Guillani was a racist. Sure people didn\'t like him, but once again he isn\'t even remotely like Al Sharpton. Honestly, I can\'t see why anyone would defend the man - you are acting like he is MLK!
Sharpton also has close ties with the Nation of Islam - another racist organization. I really am growing weary of trying to show you how the majority of people in this country view him. Yesterday, I asked a friend here at work what she thought of Sharpton - her response was nothing but laughter and she is black.
why don\'t you ask some minorities what they thought of guliani? well maybe you can\'t since you\'re in alabama...sharpton being a racist is very questionable to me, only because i feel that he just stands up for alot of issues when it comes to african americans even if he does have strong opininions about it,..to some it might come off as being racist..
but being afri. amer. & being a victim of racial profiling on numerous occassions i don\'t expect you to understand..if i saw and fet that the police were engaging in unlawful activity & the mayor is on tv stating that he supports that said officer knowing full well the situation..it doesn\'t take a brain surgeon to read between the lines...you see how you took the o.j. example & twisted it around?
you said facts... i could argue you down with the o.j. argument the same way you are doing with sharpton..i could easily say "naw oj. didn\'t do it because it\'s not documented" but i\'m not because i\'m smarter than that...if sharpton is a racist i was just showing that guliani is one as well...without having to show documented material....
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Originally posted by clips
why don\'t you ask some minorities what they thought of guliani? well maybe you can\'t since you\'re in alabama...sharpton being a racist is very questionable to me, only because i feel that he just stands up for alot of issues when it comes to african americans even if he does have strong opininions about it,..to some it might come off as being racist..
but being afri. amer. & being a victim of racial profiling on numerous occassions i don\'t expect you to understand..if i saw and fet that the police were engaging in unlawful activity & the mayor is on tv stating that he supports that said officer knowing full well the situation..it doesn\'t take a brain surgeon to read between the lines...you see how you took the o.j. example & twisted it around?
you said facts... i could argue you down with the o.j. argument the same way you are doing with sharpton..i could easily say "naw oj. didn\'t do it because it\'s not documented" but i\'m not because i\'m smarter than that...if sharpton is a racist i was just showing that guliani is one as well...without having to show documented material....
Just because I am in Alabama now does that mean I have lived here my entire life :rolleyes: I grew up in the north east. The point is other blacks even think he is racist - even though he stands up for issues that concern them.
I suppose by your logic a white person who supports the KKK wouldn\'t be racist either because the KKK stands up for a lot of issues whites are concerned about. :rolleyes:
Sorry clips, that doesn\'t justify the KKK or Sharpton. The actions of both are inexcusable. In reference to you arguing me down about OJ? :laughing: Here is some more rope clips...
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sorry but but i don\'t recall sharpton lynching a bunch of white folks as the kkk have done...all i can keep saying is wow to you giga,..i know you\'re intelligent but you are startin to scare me a bit...i explained that aspect of the o.j. statement to make a point,..but as usual you fail to see that aspect of it...
even if he is racist which he might be to some degree,..i\'ve shown that guliani was too...i came up with various scenarios to prove to you that you don\'t need documented proof to see an individuals true intentions (guliani)...but you just want to come back and dismiss it or put up laugh smilies...or maybe it\'s just that you can\'t comprehend the comparisons i make at all...
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Originally posted by clips
sorry but but i don\'t recall sharpton lynching a bunch of white folks as the kkk have done
Do a google on Fredi\'s Fashion Mart Massacre clips... since you don\'t think he is responsible for any hate crime deaths...
Originally posted by clips
even if he is racist which he might be to some degree,..i\'ve shown that guliani was too...
Really? You have shown that Guilliani is a racist? Using what sources? Prove it clips. Opinions don\'t count in this debate. Sharpton IS a racist - I have provided many sources which back up my claim, you have yet to provide one.
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A person on trial for murder, or even convicted of murder, has the support of their family and friends...
Doesn\'t mean they condone murder...
As for the profanity issue, name calling is tolerated, to a certain degree, but using the F-word is going a bit too far...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Aren\'t men of God supposed to help everyone?
Dum de dum de dum...
Still waiting for an answer to my question...
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read this...
http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nynypd1.html
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Originally posted by clips
read this...
http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nynypd1.html
:laughing:
uh ok... that is the one of the only anti Guilliani websites on the internet and it is based on a person\'s opinion not facts. This is where you seem to have a problem clips.
Sharpton has actually said things and physically done things that have been witnessed by all - there is no doubt that he is racist. Guillani is perceived by some minorites and ultra liberals (in this case "artists") as being racist because they believe that when he was mayor he was personally in control of every NYPD officer. You and the author of that article are basing your case on theories - not facts.
A.R.T.I.S.T
(Artists\' Response To Illegal State Tactics) - they sound like some :ghey: rebel group that hides out in the sewers of NY who in between issuing official communiques, sit around and debate politics at Starbucks.
I will give you credit for producing something even though it was a "letter" authored by someone with the same theory as you.
Nice rainbows on the front page btw ;)
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and this...
http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-1999/20000%20protest.htm
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Stop with the fringe sites I can\'t take it!
Instead of responding - I will redirect everyone to look at the source:
http://www.pww.org
It is not a mainstream site. Basically my point is, a fringe group believes Guilliani had racist conspiracy going while in office. That is nonsense. Sharpton is racist and continues to divide the country rather than unite it. I have made my case.
How did this get to be about Guillani anyway - you are ducking my and others accusations that Sharpton is a racist POS. Stop side stepping.
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read...
http://www.chaser.com.au/0017/zerotolerance.htm
i love this part.."it is a crime to threaten a police officer,..even with a wallet weilded in anger"..pathectic...
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And that makes Guilliani racist how?
Thread closed.
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Thread reopened! Please try and keep the topic on Al Sharpton.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
We are talking more about him than the speech. Like I said, you can\'t dismiss the man\'s actions and previous comments.
Since this is about the DNC speech I will add that his speech was nothing more than ultra liberal rhetoric aimed at African Americans - so yes I guess you can say he reached his target audience. A divider - not a uniter. His speech was on par for his overall standing on issues. They alienate moderates who are not black.
i think he was directing that towards bush,..as to the reason why the democrats earned the black vote..i\'ve seen the bush speech at the urban leaque..and to be honest,..i flet he conducted himself well...he got points with me by sayin "i know the republicans has alot of work to do" :p and i like the fact that he asked "does the democrats really earn your vote?"
like i said in other threads i think bush has some solid ideas for the country..i just don\'t agree with his foreign policy..that said i felt sharpton answered the presidents question thouroughly & intelligently...i just don\'t see why some had a problem with the speech..it had no racial overtones to it and to me it was well written...
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I understand that part about the "earning a vote", but to be honest I don\'t see where it came from - up until the 70\'s most Democrats in the south were "Dixiecrats" ie. Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, etc... it doesn\'t make sense that the Democrats "earned" their vote.
As for the racial overtones, he could have left the whole slavery part out of it. The slave mentality (meaning dwelling on slavery) is what half the problem is. You can\'t deny that Sharpton uses race as the focal point in almost all of his speeches. That, combined with his past doesn\'t help. As I said before his speech offers nothing new or insightful, it was more regurgitated rhetoric to get the masses of delegates riled up.
We will most likely see the the same thing when the GOP has its convention at the end of the month. The person I was most impressed with at the convention didn\'t even speak (I believe) - Ben Affleck\'s interview with O\'Reilly was great. If a candidate was running and had his attitude and personality I would vote for them regardless of what party they were in.
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Conclusion: Sharpton only cares about you if you\'re black...
Thank you for your time...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Conclusion: Sharpton only cares about you if you\'re black...
Thank you for your time...
Thats right damnit. :p
jk
I was going to start a rant and rave thread about giga being a baby for closing this thread but hes not that bad anymore ;).
eh. After all the back and forth between giga and clips, I just stopped paying as much attention. Ill read it all later.
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It was quite humorous seeing them debate. Like a married couple.
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giga and clips are meant for eachother ;)
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Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why don’t we?
;)
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Originally posted by Ashford
Conclusion: Sharpton only cares about you if you\'re black...
Thank you for your time...
While 4 pages long and giga got owned by black sam 2 pages ago.
White folks have enough people standing up for them. African americans have very few black leaders. If something is going on against blacks nobody cares. The stakes for african americans are far greater.
A black politican does something wrong and it can set the black community back decades. Bill clintioin has sex in the white house and white america is unaffected.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
While 4 pages long and giga got owned by black sam 2 pages ago.
:laughing: That is a willing suspension of disbelief.
In any case Sharpton is racist and his speech was nothing special.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
While 4 pages long and giga got owned by black sam 2 pages ago.
White folks have enough people standing up for them. African americans have very few black leaders. If something is going on against blacks nobody cares. The stakes for african americans are far greater.
A black politican does something wrong and it can set the black community back decades. Bill clintioin has sex in the white house and white america is unaffected.
Calling someone a "f*cking idiot" means you owned them?
Wow...
Sharpton is a "man of God"...
God loves everyone...
Men of God are supposed to help everyone...
Where was Sharpton when a BLACK man rampaged in Pennsylvania and shot up a bunch of white people in a Burger King?
Where was Sharpton when several NYC Chinese food delivery men and teens were lured, by BLACK youth, to a fake location, and then robbed, beaten severely, and murdered for some free chicken wings?
Where was Sharpton when 2 undercover NYPD detectives were murdered by BLACK gun dealers?
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Sharpton would say those deaths were well justified or that they were accused because they were black :rolleyes:
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More on Sharptons speech:
"The promise of America that we stand for human rights, whether it\'s fighting against slavery in the Sudan, where right now Joe Madison and others are fasting, around what is going on in the Sudan; AIDS in Lesotho..."
What is it with black politicians obsession with the economic, social and political problems in Africa? Race is the answer of course, but if you asked a black person in Africa if they cared about a black person in America they would laugh as they have nothing in common. For example, I am white, but I wouldn\'t give a damn about the economic or political problems in France, Holland, etc. I care about Americans as should Sharpton. Instead he thinks we should be concerned about the problems in Africa soley based on his race.
It is ok for us to send troops to Africa (which I am sure he is for), but not Iraq? He was also for us sending troops to Haiti - another mostly black nation.
When AIDS was primarily a gay problem where was Sharpton?
Sharptons speech great? Hardly.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
While 4 pages long and giga got owned by black sam 2 pages ago.
White folks have enough people standing up for them. African americans have very few black leaders. If something is going on against blacks nobody cares. The stakes for african americans are far greater.
A black politican does something wrong and it can set the black community back decades. Bill clintioin has sex in the white house and white america is unaffected.
BS...
When do people have political leaders that stand up for a race? Besides the KKK, Black Panthers etc.
Quddus its easy to always play the victim, but youll always be one if you keep acting like one.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
What is it with black politicians obsession with the economic, social and political problems in Africa? Race is the answer of course, but if you asked a black person in Africa if they cared about a black person in America they would laugh as they have nothing in common. For example, I am white, but I wouldn\'t give a damn about the economic or political problems in France, Holland, etc.
If you think that asian/hispanic/european people(whether they be immigrants or not) do not care about the happenings in their home country, despite having nothing in common with the people there, then you are deluding yourself.
Africans don\'t care about African-Americans because they are too busy worrying about famine/disease/war/poverty. To try and turn concern for a poverty stricken part of the world into a case for racism is ridiculous. How many asians do you see crusading for Africa or South America?
Originally posted by GigaShadow
I care about Americans as should Sharpton. Instead he thinks we should be concerned about the problems in Africa soley based on his race.
So because someone cares about something outside of our borders they don\'t care about America? You act like asian leaders aren\'t looking out for asians, hispanic leaders aren\'t looking out for hispanics, women leaders aren\'t looking out for women, homosexual leaders aren\'t looking out for homosexuals. What is wrong with that? Sharpton is not a public official he is a member of the private sector. If a black person saying that they want to improve life in Africa or in the inner cities makes them a racist then call me a racist.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
It is ok for us to send troops to Africa (which I am sure he is for), but not Iraq? He was also for us sending troops to Haiti - another mostly black nation.
If you really think that Iraq is worse of than somewhere like the Congo than you know nothing about world affairs. It is true that Iraqis had to live under a totalitarian government who at one time used chemical weapons on his own people. People in the congo have NO functional government and have to put up with bands of militias(some with members as young as 9) who routinely kill entire villages to prove their strength. In the last 5-6 years the death toll in the congo is at least 4 MILLION people . That is THE MOST BLOODSHED ON EARTH SINCE WORLD WAR II.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
When AIDS was primarily a gay problem where was Sharpton?
Where were ANY of the AIDS advocates? Name me ONE person, that advocates AIDS assistance now, who was an advocate when it was a "gay problem"?
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Sharptons speech great? Hardly.
Apparently a speech is measured by how much you agree with it.
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I agree with Giga here, I mean seriously do you see Bush helping out just white people with the tax breaks after 9-11 or wasn\'t for everyone? In Sharpton\'s case he would have gave it only to black and minorities think of it that way.
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Wheres your evidence he would do that?
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I\'m just making an example of how he only opens his big ass mouth when a black person is in trouble, it was more of an example than what would actually happen. More like the way he acts all the time he\'d give me no reason to believe otherwise.
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Thats a little extreme.
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Maybe but you get the point??? The guy is a little extreme himself
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If a black person isn\'t involved neither is Sharpton. If a black person is involved and more than likely is in the wrong Sharpton is sure to be there. ;)
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Thank you for being there to translate, I was too lazy to break it down for the young one.
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Originally posted by ViVi
BS...
When do people have political leaders that stand up for a race? Besides the KKK, Black Panthers etc.
Quddus its easy to always play the victim, but youll always be one if you keep acting like one.
WTF? when are Caucasian ever the victims? You give me a time in history where white folks where taken advantage of.
Do you honestly think that people choose to be victims.
African americans have always been at a disadvantage. And it\'s not by choice. Yeah society has come along way. But that means nothing. Racism and racial profiling is still going on ever more.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
If a black person isn\'t involved neither is Sharpton. If a black person is involved and more than likely is in the wrong Sharpton is sure to be there. ;)
You got a problem with it? Who else is going to stand up for african amercans right or wrong. Sure is hell not GWB.
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It just seperates us more apart, if you dont want race to be a problem, dont seperate yourselves with FUBU or BET. Simple as that, there shouldn\'t be a double standard.
Quddus, if you think caucasions are never harassed for being white then you need to get out more. Who do you think enforced that "white boys cant rap". Plenty of times Ive seen blacks, hispanics, and asians attack whites based on race.
And minorities in general wont get anywhere with the "white man is holding me down" attitude, like I said, acting as a victim. Because the white man in general, isnt racist. And we arent holding you down neither.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
You got a problem with it? Who else is going to stand up for african amercans right or wrong. Sure is hell not GWB.
And what is it that you want GWB to do for you since he you know is a white man and could care a damn about you, right?
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From someone at Fark
GOD, black people, STOP WHINING! All you EVER DO is talk about how we ENSLAVED YOU! JEEZ, that was only for like, 250 years!!! And WHO CARES if we denied you basic rights for another 100!!! You should be able to recover from large-scale institutionalized discrimination in a scant 50 year, if not SOONER! Especially since racism DOESN\'T EXIST anymore!!! OMG!
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Give me an example on how this "large-scale institutionalized discrimination" holds you back and how whites make it possible.
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Uh white people didn\'t enslave blacks - it was your African brothers who sold their fellow Africans into slavery. The west - including hispanics and even some blacks provided a market. Slavery was also still going strong in the Middle East long after the Civil War.
For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf. Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave. Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.
Blacks have every opportunity to succeed in this country and in some respects even more opportunities than whites.
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Booyaa!!!
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Uh white people didn\'t enslave blacks - it was your African brothers who sold their fellow Africans into slavery. The west - including hispanics and even some blacks provided a market. Slavery was also still going strong in the Middle East long after the Civil War.
For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf. Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave. Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.
Blacks have every opportunity to succeed in this country and in some respects even more opportunities than whites.
Your attempt to push the injustices of white america is nothing but comical. While slavery did not start with african americans it was governed and sanctioned in american by white folks. And it was a very serious situation. Your attempt to try and brush it off with worthless explanation won\'t cut it with me.
If whites have done any suffering at all it was by there own hand.
It definetly was not by the hand of any indians or blacks.
And a black man does have more opportunities than he has ever had in his life time. But he is hardly on the same level as his white counter part. This is the year 2004 and racial profiling still exist amoungst white americans. Show me a black president then I will start to believe we are equal.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Booyaa!!!
oh man! :rolleyes:
Uh white people didn\'t enslave blacks - it was your African brothers who sold their fellow Africans into slavery. The west - including hispanics and even some blacks provided a market. Slavery was also still going strong in the Middle East long after the Civil War.
For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf. Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave. Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.
Blacks have every opportunity to succeed in this country and in some respects even more opportunities than whites.
UH, thats a joke. Seriously, you cant just blame our "African Brothers" for selling others to the white men. To say that it was all on them in the first place is plain stupid. I dont think they all would have done such a thing if they understood how it affected their own people today. Of course we cant prove that. Even if they didnt sell them do you think white people would just be like "ok if you arent selling then we arent buying"? Now to assume that would be even more stupid. A lot of the people sold to whites were pows and slave like people already so it didnt matter as much to the africans at the time. I guess explaining this would take more than a few sentences but perhaps you can grasp the gist (sp?) of what im trying to say.
Like you said: Every type of person has experienced hardships at the hand of their own people so its not like being white and poor or w/e back in the day makes it any less wrong for them to enslave blacks. At first blacks werent even slaves. They were introduced to endentured servitude untill people figured, why pay them when we can enslave them for free. Not to mention that we stuck out like sore thumbs.
Whites "enslaving" whites and so on has nothing to do with race and because of the racial aspect of US slavery, it has grown into a problem that still exsists.
Blacks have every opportunity to succeed if not more? Please tell me youre joking. That is about one of the most ignorant things ive heard today. Seriously - im not trying to bash you, but do you really think that blacks stand a fair chance with underfunded schooling? Many blacks have to depend on public schooling which is never all that great in the black communities. They get older books, lesser qualified teachers, older equipment, and almost always have a higher student to teacher ratio than other schools.
Not only that but how is a black youth supposed to get into schooling mentally when they live in communities where sometimes school isnt as important to the people as other communities? The ignorant cant raise non ignorant children as easily as you may think. And please dont try to tell me that all of that mentality is on us alone. Just to mention one thing - There is a complex where blacks treat other blacks like slave owners did to blacks. This obviously doesnt promote progression. Its not as uncommon as one might think.
The only thing we get is Affirmative action which i cant say i agree fully with but some people make it out to be nothing but trouble. I cant and wont say that the white man is the sole reason for our lack of progression but you cant deny the fact that the modern black person is very much a product of slavery etc. etc. (obviously we are very different from todays Africans).
This could have been shorter but i had to get a point across because there were just too many things that you didnt take into consideration. Hopefully there is something in this mass that you can understand and maybe even agree with. If not then theres nothing i can do about that. All i can say is that i tried.
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I remember when Sharpton was on O\'Reilly, Al was talking how the black people were brought over here for slavery and now they are in the doghouse.
Bill then asked do you think a black person would be better off in Africa or in the USA? He kept dodging the question and never really answered it. Take what you will from that.
I see both sides here have some points. I can\'t see black youth in a bad neighborhood having the same level of education as most of us. Part of me wants to say move out of the ghetto, get a job somewhere else to raise a family. But to be honest I have no idea how bad a situation like that is. I was fortunate enough to be raised in a family that never had problem with employment or a horrendous school system.
We still have a ways to go for a decent measure of equality, but BOTH sides have to work at it. White people can\'t simply ignore the problem and black people can\'t play victim. From reading these posts it looks like no one will listen to the other.
To bring up another point.. is it just me or does anyone else find it weird that black families in the ghetto can be really huge? I think if you can\'t support a big family don\'t have one, regardless of race.
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Its not just black families, its the families in the ghetto in general. Especially the hispanics. Its those breeding hips I tell ya.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
oh man! :rolleyes:
UH, thats a joke. Seriously, you cant just blame our "African Brothers" for selling others to the white men. To say that it was all on them in the first place is plain stupid. I dont think they all would have done such a thing if they understood how it affected their own people today. Of course we cant prove that. Even if they didnt sell them do you think white people would just be like "ok if you arent selling then we arent buying"? Now to assume that would be even more stupid. A lot of the people sold to whites were pows and slave like people already so it didnt matter as much to the africans at the time. I guess explaining this would take more than a few sentences but perhaps you can grasp the gist (sp?) of what im trying to say.
Like you said: Every type of person has experienced hardships at the hand of their own people so its not like being white and poor or w/e back in the day makes it any less wrong for them to enslave blacks. At first blacks werent even slaves. They were introduced to endentured servitude untill people figured, why pay them when we can enslave them for free. Not to mention that we stuck out like sore thumbs.
Whites "enslaving" whites and so on has nothing to do with race and because of the racial aspect of US slavery, it has grown into a problem that still exsists.
Blacks have every opportunity to succeed if not more? Please tell me youre joking. That is about one of the most ignorant things ive heard today. Seriously - im not trying to bash you, but do you really think that blacks stand a fair chance with underfunded schooling? Many blacks have to depend on public schooling which is never all that great in the black communities. They get older books, lesser qualified teachers, older equipment, and almost always have a higher student to teacher ratio than other schools.
Not only that but how is a black youth supposed to get into schooling mentally when they live in communities where sometimes school isnt as important to the people as other communities? The ignorant cant raise non ignorant children as easily as you may think. And please dont try to tell me that all of that mentality is on us alone. Just to mention one thing - There is a complex where blacks treat other blacks like slave owners did to blacks. This obviously doesnt promote progression. Its not as uncommon as one might think.
The only thing we get is Affirmative action which i cant say i agree fully with but some people make it out to be nothing but trouble. I cant and wont say that the white man is the sole reason for our lack of progression but you cant deny the fact that the modern black person is very much a product of slavery etc. etc. (obviously we are very different from todays Africans).
This could have been shorter but i had to get a point across because there were just too many things that you didnt take into consideration. Hopefully there is something in this mass that you can understand and maybe even agree with. If not then theres nothing i can do about that. All i can say is that i tried.
It is a fact that Africans sold other Africans into slavery. Do you think white men were running around the interior of Africa rounding up black?!? Europeans - the Portugese for example set up huge ports along the coast of Africa where Africans would bring either Africans they captured in tribal warfare or had a personal vendetta against and sell them.
Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan. For example a black person who earns the same amount of money as me will qualify for a lower interest loan and loan assitance programs that I won\'t.
As far as not getting a good education... I find your rational to be false. If that were true there wouldn\'t be one successful black person who came out the public school system. The fact is if you apply yourself - regardless of race you will succeed.
There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise. Those that are successful have figured out how to get ahead and stop looking at the past as an excuse for failure.
Also being poor and white in this country is worse than being poor and black.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
It is a fact that Africans sold other Africans into slavery. Do you think white men were running around the interior of Africa rounding up black?!? Europeans - the Portugese for example set up huge ports along the coast of Africa where Africans would bring either Africans they captured in tribal warfare or had a personal vendetta against and sell them.
Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan. For example a black person who earns the same amount of money as me will qualify for a lower interest loan and loan assitance programs that I won\'t.
YAs far as not getting a good education... I find your rational to be false. If that were true there wouldn\'t be one successful black person who came out the public school system. The fact is if you apply yourself - regardless of race you will succeed.
There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise. Those that are successful have figured out how to get ahead and stop looking at the past as an excuse for failure.
Also being poor and white in this country is worse than being poor and black.
You have no idea what your talking about. That is the most BS I have read in along time. You might as well wave your confederate flag with that post. Sounds like something a silver-spoon white kid would spew from his lips.
I can\'t even take you seriously. Obviously you have been living under a rock and have know clue of the world for the past 50 years or so. While black america has come along way. We still have ways to go before we can be considered as full equals.
"Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan"
That is obviously the most rediculous thing you could have ever said. I mean you got to be pretty naive to even think something along those lines. It\'s make a good joke
"There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise"
This is the year 2004 and while racial profiling still exist in white america there should be more successful blacks these days.
I don\'t know you but man you talk like a naive little kid. Who probably had everything handed to him and never had to work for anything. And thinks everything in the world is fair and just.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
You have no idea what your talking about. That is the most BS I have read in along time. You might as well wave your confederate flag with that post. Sounds like something a silver-spoon white kid would spew from his lips.
I can\'t even take you seriously. Obviously you have been living under a rock and have know clue of the world for the past 50 years or so. While black america has come along way. We still have ways to go before we can be considered as full equals.
"Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan"
That is obviously the most rediculous thing you could have ever said. I mean you got to be pretty naive to even think something along those lines. It\'s make a good joke
"There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise"
This is the year 2004 and while racial profiling still exist in white america there should be more successful blacks these days.
I don\'t know you but man you talk like a naive little kid. Who probably had everything handed to him and never had to work for anything. And thinks everything in the world is fair and just.
First WTF does this have to do with racial profiling??? Secondly, read your history. You actually believe Europeans were running around the interior of Africa capturing Africans????? There were many reasons whites did not go far from the coast - the wildlife, disease and the native people.
Here you go Quddus and Nicon:
European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves; African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. The slave trade devastated African life. Culture and traditions were torn asunder, as families, especially young men, were abducted. Guns were introduced and slave raids and even wars increased.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4.html
Tell me Nicon and Quddus how does it feel when you get :wned: ?
I guess black leaders don\'t like talking about that sad fact do they? You can also thank the Arabs for helping as well. Nothing like making sure the ignorace spreads from generation to generation. :rolleyes: So you see, your own race played a major part in the slave trade.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
First WTF does this have to do with racial profiling??? Secondly, read your history. You actually believe Europeans were running around the interior of Africa capturing Africans????? There were many reasons whites did not go far from the coast - the wildlife, disease and the native people.
Here you go Quddus and Nicon:
European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves; African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. The slave trade devastated African life. Culture and traditions were torn asunder, as families, especially young men, were abducted. Guns were introduced and slave raids and even wars increased.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4.html
Tell me Nicon and Quddus how does it feel when you get :wned: ?
I guess black leaders don\'t like talking about that sad fact do they? You can also thank the Arabs for helping as well. Nothing like making sure the ignorace spreads from generation to generation. :rolleyes: So you see, your own race played a major part in the slave trade.
You are an idiot. I can\'t believe your even attempting to try and find excuses for slavery in america. My main focus is slavery in america which was governed by white folks. It was white people that was lynching and killing african americans in america.
I could give a rats ass how they got slaves. The fact is they had them and where abusing them. Gosh your an idiot:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
You are an idiot. I can\'t believe your even attempting to try and find excuses for slavery in america. My main focus is slavery in america which was governed by white folks. It was white people that was lynching and killing african americans in america.
I could give a rats ass how they got slaves. The fact is they had them and where abusing them. Gosh your an idiot:rolleyes:
If they weren\'t sold to European traders by other Africans in the first place there would have been no slaves in the US now would there?
You just proved what a moron you are by saying you "could give a rats ass how they got slaves". Blame everyone but your own. Is your last name Sharpton by any chance? :rolleyes:
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Um, stop living in the past man, and you expect to get anywhere by calling people an idiot when they just posted a fact??? I mean seriously slavery wasn\'t a good thing, but until you can put it behind you you will always live in the past. I mean what exactly do you want the BIG WHITE MAN to do for you??? How bout doing something for your damn self.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Um, stop living in the past man, and you expect to get anywhere by calling people an idiot when they just posted a fact??? I mean seriously slavery wasn\'t a good thing, but until you can put it behind you you will always live in the past. I mean what exactly do you want the BIG WHITE MAN to do for you??? How bout doing something for your damn self.
wtf? The past is still present. Racial profiling is still going on. Black people are still getting shafted by white people so what is new? That is why society is in such a sad state now. Because of people like you and giga who continue to make excuses for white people.
"If they weren\'t sold to European traders by other Africans in the first place there would have been no slaves in the US now would there?
You just proved what a moron you are by saying you "could give a rats ass how they got slaves". Blame everyone but your own. Is your last name Sharpton by any chance"
Why don\'t you just stop posting? With every word you type something more rediculous comes out of your mouth. The fact that they were sold excuses white people for lynching and killing:rolleyes:
You would make a good defense lawyer. Don\'t blame the guy that goes out and murders innocent victims blame the firearms dealer for selling him the bullets.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
wtf? The past is still present. Racial profiling is still going on. Black people are still getting shafted by white people so what is new? That is why society is in such a sad state now. Because of people like you and giga who continue to make excuses for white people.
Why don\'t you just stop posting? With every word you type something more rediculous comes out of your mouth. The fact that they were sold excuses white people for lynching and killing:rolleyes:
You would make a good defense lawyer. Don\'t blame the guy that goes out and murders innocent victims blame the firearms dealer for selling him the bullets.
I present facts and you present whiny excuses. You have yet to refute the charge that perhaps blacks did contribute to the institution of slavery. I present my opinion backed by facts and what do you presents? Insults - when you confronted by the truth you can\'t seem to handle it.
With your attitude I would be surprised if you get anywhere in life. Dwelling on something that happened 150 years ago will only hold you back. Using it to make excuses for why blacks have a rough time of things in this day and age is idiotic.
Oh yeah, for the SECOND time slavery has nothing to do with racial profiling.
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The fact that they were sold excuses white people for lynching and killing
When was the last time you or your buddies were lynched or killed because of your skin color? I can\'t remember the last time a lynching happened. It happened when a hundred years ago? What do you want white people to do about it now?
You CAN\'T hold a grudge for this because lynchings were done primarily in the south by dumb hicks. The majority of America believe it or not does not want to lynch you. They want you to get a job and succeed.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Also being poor and white in this country is worse than being poor and black.
Neither situation is good but it is arguable that one is "worse" than the other.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
If they weren\'t sold to European traders by other Africans in the first place there would have been no slaves in the US now would there?
While it is true that Africans sold most of the slaves to trans-atlantic slave traders they did not sell all of them. Europeans and Americans did conduct some raids. So even if Africans did not sell other Africans, slavery would have continued because the demand for workers would have driven traders to capture the slaves themselves.
One thing that is worth mentioning is that western(US/Europe) slavery and eastern(Africa/Middle East) slavery were DRASTICALLY different. Western slaves were, in essence, cattle. They had no rights whatsoever and very few(if any) had the ability to transcend their situation. Eastern slavery was different in that slaves were workers who could work their way out of slavery and become land owners in their own right. They were not looked upon as subhumans before, during, or after their time as slaves.
BTW, I\'m pretty sure you are not but for clarification are you justifying slavery by saying other Africans participated?
Originally posted by ViVi
Give me an example on how this "large-scale institutionalized discrimination" holds you back and how whites make it possible.
Do you not consider segregation "large-scale institutionalized discrimination"? Segregation was probably still in affect during many of our parents\' lives.
The government made it legal for a large portion of the country to be treated as second class citizens. To say that just because these laws are no longer in effect that everything is fine and dandy is to turn a blind eye to the truth. You can\'t really believe that 200+ years of looking at one group of people as less than human can really be turned around completely in 50 years.
We are much better off, as a country, than we were even 30 years ago; but it is going to take time for us to put racism behind us completely.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf. Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave. Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.
While "technically" the same as slaves it was more of a class system. You were upper class or you were a serf. Serfs were able to force an entirely new social system to force themselves out of servitude. Still, feudalism was 600+ years ago, that is a hell of a lot of time to get back on your feet.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
We are much better off, as a country, than we were even 30 years ago; but it is going to take time for us to put racism behind us completely.
BTW, before anyone quotes this I want to clarify that I am talking about racism among blacks AND whites.
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Originally posted by THX
When was the last time you or your buddies were lynched or killed because of your skin color? I can\'t remember the last time a lynching happened. It happened when a hundred years ago? What do you want white people to do about it now?
You CAN\'T hold a grudge for this because lynchings were done primarily in the south by dumb hicks. The majority of America believe it or not does not want to lynch you. They want you to get a job and succeed.
Well lynching was still going on in the 1940\'s so it\'s hardly been 100 years. And just because it\'s not happening to me does not mean I should just ignore it. If I don\'t know my past I will never know my future. Thousands of african americans where lynched by white people. No matter when it happen. It happened.
And me and my buddies may not be lynched for are skin. But we are pulled over and illegal searched all the time for no good reason . Overlooked at jobs and denied benefits because of who we are.
There is a civil rights situation I am involved in right now. I will be filing a complaint with NAACP 2marrow.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
There is a civil rights situation I am involved in right now. I will be filing a complaint with NAACP 2marrow.
Good luck :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Good luck :rolleyes:
Thanks I\'ll think of you when these racist bastards get there just deserts:)
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So what did these agents of the "man" do to you Quddus?
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Originally posted by THX
When was the last time you or your buddies were lynched or killed because of your skin color? I can\'t remember the last time a lynching happened. It happened when a hundred years ago? What do you want white people to do about it now?
The murder of James Byrd, Jr. (http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/jun1998/byrd-j13.shtml)
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The people who did that are on death row or have already been executed. Justice has been served.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
So what did these agents of the "man" do to you Quddus?
downplay racism all you want. But they are regular white folks like yourself.
My situation does not only involves me it involves dozens of other african americans. And it\'s against a major company.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Do you not consider segregation "large-scale institutionalized discrimination"? Segregation was probably still in affect during many of our parents\' lives.
To me, it seems that blacks are the ones segregating themselves with FUBU, BET, and black history month type things. We will never get past racism with stuff like that around.
And Quddus, if you get turned down, its probably because you arent as qualified not because you\'re black. You just think it is or hope it is because its an easy way to get around things. Im not saying you would do this, but its easy to do. Dont like someone? Just get them in deep shit buy labeling them racist and once again play the victim. I think Omarosa from the Apprenctice did that once she got fired...
And if you want to get through to Giga dont call him an idiot back your argument up. It just makes you look ignorant.
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blacks dont really separate themselves with fubu. Anybody can wear it. Of course you might get talked about. But then again so do blacks that weart shit like abercrombie and fitch (extremely white and not the nicest people). It used to be that you couldnt work there unless you could fit in their clothes. What a crock.
And if i wanted to get back at giga id call him and idiot and back it up. :p The way you say something matters, but when you are talking facts, theres no way that their validity is decreased even by the most obnoxious of statements.
Oh and BTW lynchings didnt end years ago. It has happened more recently than you think. NO more than 15 years id say. I dont remember the last one. I mean we\'ve still had people dragged behind some damn truck within that time period or so. And its happened regardless of the wrong-doers punishment. Im not saying that it was unjust because they got away or something but im pointing out the fact that racism is so much more common than many people know. Perhaps because a lot of them live in all white areas and dont know anything about what goes on outside of some bumble**** town or wherever they live.
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You think that doesnt give out a message that means blacks only?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The people who did that are on death row or have already been executed. Justice has been served.
I know. I was just bringing it up in response to his statement.
Originally posted by ViVi
To me, it seems that blacks are the ones segregating themselves with FUBU, BET, and black history month type things. We will never get past racism with stuff like that around.
This has been discussed on these forums ad nauseum.
I have said it a MILLION times and the only problem you have with BET/FUBU/etc is the name. If it was Urban Entertainment and showed the exact same content you would say nothing. A clothing label like Karl Kani is the same as FUBU. It is a black designer who makes clothes for the hip-hop generation. Still, he doesnt MENTION the fact that he is black and that the people who buy his clothes are black so everything is peachy.
BTW, Do a search on this topic we have talked about this WAY too many times.
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I agree with BS on that issue. There is absolutely no reason for blacks not to have clothing and entertainment that reflects their culture.
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Yeah but FUBU has a blatant message that means blacks only. South Pole, Sean Jean, are all black clothing but its not saying so in the name.
What Im trying to say is FUBU is an example that whites arent the only ones pushing for segregation.
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Thats petty. Just because FuBu means for us by us doesnt mean that they are strongly trying to push for segregation. Not to mention that im pretty sure that FUBU was bought out by a WHITE GUY. Perhaps im wrong but im pretty damn sure that thats the case.
Its fairly sad though that all these black owned companies are falling into the hands of white people. Im not trying to say that white people are evil and thats why they shouldnt own the companies. Im saying that when this happens, it takes power out of the black community because we have less control over what used to be a representation of our culture.
I remember when it was bought. They started showing more of these infomercials and shit. It changes a lot. I wont go into detail but its a pity when black owners are too money struck to have enough pride in what they began.
And Im glad giga finaly was able to agree with somebody on one thing. :p. Wiser man than i thought.
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But we are pulled over and illegal searched all the time for no good reason . Overlooked at jobs and denied benefits because of who we are.
I\'ve been pulled over and redirected to the side of the road several times for cops to do searches. Did I blame the white man and cause a ruckus?
No.
I\'ve been turned down for jobs many times. Did I blame the white man?
No.
Now I\'m graduating college later this year and hope to have a decent job supporting myself. I never used my skin color or race as a crutch. I may not be dark as you but we\'re living in a new age where you can take advantage of many oppurtunities. Get a job, save up for school, and don\'t make babies til you can afford to :p
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You know another problem with racism and race in general. My mother who isn\'t a racist, was at the casino last night in Detroit and had a black female run into her while she was playing the slots and then the she told me the black female told her she was sorry. My mom then told me that she said if it were a white women, she would have told the white women off. It is a double standard implied. My mom is afraid to treat blacks the same as whites in such cases for fear of being called a racist. After further observations, I have noticed many white people have acted differently around blacks, being as kind as possible.
The way I see it, just treat everyone the same. That\'s what I do. I argue with blacks all the time when playing basketball and treat them as I would with white people. The point I am trying to make is, if we just pretended like everyone is the same color, this world would be so much better off.
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The Europeans in American didn\'t only use African Americans as slaves. They used Native Americans as slaves also.
So the Europeans would of had "slaves" just not African Slaves.
Anyways...
To tell you the truth I think that we steryotype ourselves(Specially minorities)
I remember back in school one time a kid was dared to go down to some crack house by my school and throw a sprite bottle at it. He did and this white guy came out. A black girl not so far away from me said "Damn, he lucky he was white, cuz if he was black he would of shot his ass" Rappers also contribute to the bad associations that are sometimes connected to the black community and what is sad is that the black community belives and sucks in everything they say and start acting like they say black people should act.
Hispanics are the same way. We joke around sometimes by saying "Damn, I\'m Mexican I\'ll steal that shit before buying it" or BS like that and it\'s sad.
White people like to bitch about being discriminated against. And I can see where they are coming from. It can go as far as the "It\'s not fair he got the job b/c he knows Spanish" or "It\'s not fair he got a scholarship for being Hispanic" or "It\'s not fair he got the job b/c of being black"
But those kinds of things you have to know about in order to see if it\'s fair or not. They don\'t know the history of that minority or where they came from or anything. It\'s kind of sad if you think about it, when we get jobs b/c of our race it\'s kind of saying "Hey, they can\'t make it on their own"...but you know what the majority of the time is true.
Just nvrmind I typed that.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
The Europeans in American didn\'t only use African Americans as slaves. They used Native Americans as slaves also.
So the Europeans would of had "slaves" just not African Slaves.
Native Americans were extremely adept at escaping and making their way to freedom(home field advantage and all). There were very few Native American slaves.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
As far as the Europeans history goes...Everything they did affected the world...The Crusades, slavery, conquerors etc...I mean if you look at all the things in history...The white people had it easy.
Wrong Answer. If you look at "all the things in history" the RICH people had it easy. Seeing as how white does not equal rich your statement is way off base.
A middle class white person has more in common with a middle class minority than they do with a lower/upper class person of the same race. Here in america we are just so caught up in race that we fail to see that.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Native Americans were extremely adept at escaping and making their way to freedom(home field advantage and all). There were very few Native American slaves.
DAMN I had the link...It said millions of Native Americans were being used as slaves.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Wrong Answer. If you look at "all the things in history" the RICH people had it easy. Seeing as how white does not equal rich your statement is way off base.
A middle class white person has more in common with a middle class minority than they do with a lower/upper class person of the same race. Here in america we are just so caught up in race that we fail to see that.
I was referring to how Giga was talking about how the white people suffered and what not and how they weren\'t the only ones.
It\'s late...I\'ll expand on this tomorrow...i mean later today.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Wrong Answer. If you look at "all the things in history" the RICH people had it easy. Seeing as how white does not equal rich your statement is way off base.
A middle class white person has more in common with a middle class minority than they do with a lower/upper class person of the same race. Here in america we are just so caught up in race that we fail to see that.
Damn you know what nevermind the "white people had it easy thing" HAHA...I had something in mind but it just gave out in the middle of it.
Giga is right all people had shit going on.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
DAMN I had the link...It said millions of Native Americans were being used as slaves.
Actually Mystiq is right - I must have woken up in an alternate universe ;)
Native Americans were used in bulk quantities by the Spanish in the Caribbean and Central and South America as slave labor. Christopher Columbus even brought some back to show to the Queen of Spain. As far as North America goes, I agree with BS that they would not have been able to have been used in that way.
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Originally posted by THX
I\'ve been pulled over and redirected to the side of the road several times for cops to do searches. Did I blame the white man and cause a ruckus?
No.
I\'ve been turned down for jobs many times. Did I blame the white man?
No.
Now I\'m graduating college later this year and hope to have a decent job supporting myself. I never used my skin color or race as a crutch. I may not be dark as you but we\'re living in a new age where you can take advantage of many oppurtunities. Get a job, save up for school, and don\'t make babies til you can afford to :p
Well if it wasn\'t happening I would have nothing to use. Case in point. I went to blockbuster one night rented some movies. Woke up next morning could not find my ID.
Got up my 12 & 15 year old nephews came with me to go see if I left it at blockers. The store was just getting to open up. They told me I had to wait I ask the women could she check and see if I had left my id. She said she did not see it. So I had me and nephews where looking around the surrouding area to see if I dropped it.
Found it right in the middle of the parking lot. So I got in my car and was on my way back home. No soon as I get down the street I am pulled over by the cops. No reason at all. They are yelling to me put my hands out the window. I am sitting in my car shocked and amazed. The cop comes to car with her weapon drawn. Tells us to get out of the car. I am like I have kids in this car.
I tell her I have all my information right here. She makes my little nephews get on the grown. Two more squads cars pull up. I am so pissed right now. Then she takes me into the police car and tells me that a white women was in the parking lot waiting to drop off a deposit at the bank and got scared when she saw us.
The whole point is shit like that happens all time and people expect us to just brush everything off our shoulders.
I am not using my race for a clutch but when shit happens to me because of the color of my skin what the **** am I supose to think?
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lol what a wacko, that woman is seriously disturbed unless you were waving a machete around. That is screwed up no doubt about it.
While on the subject my friend was pulled over by a couple of cop cars on a busy road, told to step out of his vehicle hands on his head, lay face down on the pavement while they cuffed him. More cop cars showed up. Turns out he fit the description of a bank robber that had just made his getaway. :laughing:
i know it was a simple mistake but i just have to ask what mechanic can install an African American clutch? :P
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Q I\'ve seen that happen many times at work.
In fact a couple of days ago a white lady came into our store and was looking for a new camcorder(I work the PC and Camcorder section) so I was helping her out. But before that I had helped a customer(a black teenage guy) with another camcorder and he had bought it and everything.
The guy opened up in the store and was recording his friends. She turned to me and said "OMG, why don\'t you call the cops they probably stole that camara" And I said that I didn\'t think they did. Then the black kids were picking out movies and putting them under their arms you know and SHE CALLED THE COPS. She went to the side of the store and CALLED THE COPS, I was like WTH ARE YOU DOING?! The people were just picking out movies and before the cops came they bought them all.
The cops came and you know just got them all in a corner and started checking them and asking them questions and it was sad b/c they were mad at the fact that they didn\'t know wth was going on. And finally the cops asked the manager why they called them and he said that noboby in the store called them.
So I looked for the lady to tell the cops who she was but she was gone.
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I hope you\'re not blaming the cops on your\'s and Quddus\' stories...
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What store was this? Circuit City? If I were your boss I would have written you up for using profanity at a customer :)
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Similar story.
I am working this morning at my store, Meijer (kind of like Walmart) as a cashier when I have a black guest in my line. We had some special with campbell\'s soup for $.44 and we were all out, so the guest asked for a raincheck. I said, sure let me go find one for you. I come back and I write up the raincheck for her and tell her to have a nice day. Then next guest in line was an alderly white women (70-80) and says to me "what a dumb (you know)" then I told her not to ever bring racism or that word into my line again. She got offended by my comments and she went up to my manager with me. My manager is behind this door on a computer and she is like, " I will be with you in one second ma\'am" and the guest is like, look all I want is to have a good day of shopping and not be hastled by your stupid cashiers or your dumb (you know) that come in line! My manager yells out "EXCUSE ME!" and walks around the corner of the office. The guests face went white as she noticed my manager was black. My manager is like... get the hell out of my store now! I never seen a old lady move so fast :)
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I worked at blockbuster, and any time anybody came up to the store banging on to get in and what not, I don\'t know if you did that but it happened, white black or what ever it worried you.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Wrong Answer. If you look at "all the things in history" the RICH people had it easy. Seeing as how white does not equal rich your statement is way off base.
A middle class white person has more in common with a middle class minority than they do with a lower/upper class person of the same race. Here in america we are just so caught up in race that we fail to see that.
Id have to say that thats pretty right. Of course there are stil differences.
As far as Native Americans go: Where are they all now? Damn near wiped out, and for what? Some whiteman manifest destiny bull$#!t thats what. heh. Just f\'ing around.
Perhaps somebody should make a new thread. Sharpton has been out of the conversation for quite a few posts.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Id have to say that thats pretty right. Of course there are stil differences.
As far as Native Americans go: Where are they all now? Damn near wiped out, and for what? Some whiteman manifest destiny bull$#!t thats what. heh. Just f\'ing around.
Perhaps somebody should make a new thread. Sharpton has been out of the conversation for quite a few posts.
It isn\'t so much Native Americans have been wiped out as they have been bred into caucasian and other races. Basically they are being bred out of existance. The few tribes that are remaining don\'t have it so bad off - they own casinos and aren\'t even taxed! That is a big controversy in areas that have casinos on reservations.
Anyway, Nicon is right, this topic is going to be closed as is no longer about Sharpton. I would split the thead and move it a Race Relations thread, but the last time I used the split feature the posts ended up in limbo land where only Ryu and mm could see them. We can carry this discussion on under another topic.