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http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1808496111&intl=us
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Predators will rock the Aliens. They are too strong ;)
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Saw both videos on it. I can\'t wait for this movie.
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In Predator 2, in the Trophy Room you can see an alien skull.....meh
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I think I noticed that. Predator 2 could have been so much better. They should have brought back the original director of Predator
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Makes me want to play the game.
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was playing the rom the other day, good times
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And..... they\'re just teenages...
Then arnie comes in, kills em all and the movie is over.....
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Damn the Predator kicked ass in that clip.
However I\'ve got some bad news, it seems this movie will be pg13.
So no chest busters or preds tearing the skulls out of their victims.
:crying:
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Where did you read it was PG13? I would have thought the violence would have given it an R rating.
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definatly predators.
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Originally posted by nO-One
Damn the Predator kicked ass in that clip.
However I\'ve got some bad news, it seems this movie will be pg13.
So no chest busters or preds tearing the skulls out of their victims.
:crying:
Maybe it\'s PG13 coz most of the gore will be from Aliens and Predators. Not humans.
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So its alieans versus predator does that mean that predator is human? or is it also an alien if so wouldnt it be alien versus alien but then who would win? hmmm very perplexing.
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Aliens are gonna win dude.
Did you see the scale that those things were climbing up the mountain.
Besides Aliens is a bigger franchise.
Anyone remember all the different kind of aliens?
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Neither win - the Preds use thier little self destruct device and take the Aliens with them. My guess anyway ;)
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Of course thats how itll end - draw - but we can always hope huh?
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Damn, if it is pg-13 my hopes for this movie are going down.
PG-13 indicates it will try and draw the teen audience with crappy action scenese, with some horrible acting to boot.
Although the previews look alright.
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PG-13 sucks ass...that means I have to watch it with all the annoying little kiddies around...yay!! :rolleyes:
EDIT: Of course...nowadays..."PG-13" is the new "R"...so we\'ll just have to see
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Originally posted by theomen
was playing the rom the other day, good times
I was talking about the PC version.
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I hate this whoever wins we loose shit. Its not very creative. And we know the world isnt going to be wiped out. I mean these things are stuck in a hole hundreds or w/e feet down. Not only that but we have some pussy scavenger hunt looking joe\'s instead of the marines. What action comes from a bunch of no names with a bunch of killing machines around them?
Sounds to me like its more of a Deep Blue Sea type of flick. Eh. Ill probably see it and i hope the prove me wrong about this sucking.
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How are the predators too strong?
Just wait until a face hugger gets onto a predator and you have a new breed of xenomorph. :)
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If a predator is stronger than a human it might not have too much trouble with a face hugger but I do agree that they arent too strong. Not to mention that Aliens usually travel in bigger packs. Although some may not like it, its obvious in Alien Res. that the aliens arent stupid. Plus, the aliens reproduce so damn fast.
Id say its about even match.
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Haven\'t any of you learned anything from Freddy vs Jason and the countless prequels?
The ending will be wide open for a sequel so it\'ll obviously be a draw...
What better way to resurrect dead franchises than to merge them?
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
If a predator is stronger than a human it might not have too much trouble with a face hugger but I do agree that they arent too strong. Not to mention that Aliens usually travel in bigger packs. Although some may not like it, its obvious in Alien Res. that the aliens arent stupid. Plus, the aliens reproduce so damn fast.
Id say its about even match.
That may be true but the Predator has weapons and the gun on his shoulder that could kill an Alien in one shot. The Alien just has his tail and the second mouth. I may have liked the Alien movies better, but I am rooting for the Predator in this movie. And I totally agree the scavenger hunt team is stupid. They should have had the Colonial Marines. But what if this takes place in a different time period where there were no Marines?
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Originally posted by Titan
That may be true but the Predator has weapons and the gun on his shoulder that could kill an Alien in one shot.
So did the marines. (practically one shot..) The problem is, however, Predator sees in infra-red, and as we all know Xenomorphs don\'t show up on infra-red. :)
As far as the xenomorphs being able to see the predator, I doubt that\'d be a problem, though it\'s never explained how they actually see, I don\'t think it\'s normal vision, could be heat based, electronic based, etc. etc.
The Alien just has his tail and the second mouth.
And the face huggers (assuming they don\'t go with the aliens at the end of Resurection.. ugh), and acid blood, and you can guarantee that a queen xenomorph will make an appearance, and of course they will most definately have the numbers. Remember, they don\'t necessarily have to take down a predator to reproduce. If the movie takes place on earth (I\'m not sure, I haven\'t read about it), there will be a large number of potential hosts for the aliens to breed almost infinately (as far as the movie is concerned).
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
So did the marines. (practically one shot..) The problem is, however, Predator sees in infra-red, and as we all know Xenomorphs don\'t show up on infra-red. :)
Good point. I didn\'t think of that.
Also, the predators\' weapons will cause the xenomorphs to explode throwing acid everywhere.
But wouldn\'t the acid also harm the aliens in some way? Not sure though. Probably not.
As far as the xenomorphs being able to see the predator, I doubt that\'d be a problem, though it\'s never explained how they actually see, I don\'t think it\'s normal vision, could be heat based, electronic based, etc. etc.
Then both are at a disadvantage with vision then.
And the face huggers (assuming they don\'t go with the aliens at the end of Resurection.. ugh), and acid blood, and queen aliens, and of course they will most definately have the numbers. [/B]
Ofcoarse they have the numbers, but Predator has the weapons. The face huggers won\'t affect Predators. They have the metallic mask over their face that covers their mouth so the huggers can\'t implant the embryo.
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Originally posted by Titan
Then both are at a disadvantage with vision then.
:confused:
How are the aliens disadvantaged? Predator shows up on infra-red, doesn\'t it?
Ofcoarse they have the numbers, but Predator has the weapons. The face huggers won\'t affect Predators. They have the metallic mask over their face that covers their mouth so the huggers can\'t implant the embryo. [/B]
But the mask is easily removed! And the little face-huggers are awfully strong!
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I have to go back and watch all the alien and predator movies or something, because you guys know a lot more about this then I do. :(
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this movie has "house of the dead" written all over it
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Originally posted by Titan
1)But wouldn\'t the acid also harm the aliens in some way? Not sure though. Probably not.
2)Ofcoarse they have the numbers, but Predator has the weapons. The face huggers won\'t affect Predators. They have the metallic mask over their face that covers their mouth so the huggers can\'t implant the embryo.
1) The blood is in them so how could it possibly hurt them? Remember in ressurection when the two aliens killed the one to escape? They were in a small closed room with blood flying everywhere. Im sure it doesnt hurt them.
2) And as for the predators having weapons. The wepons would probably obliterate the aliens but then the blood flies everywhere. The Face huggers choke you too. A mask isnt going to do shit for a predator when its getting his ass choked to death. heh heh ;). Understand?
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I vote for the human\'s.
Why?
Sequel.
Thank\'s for listening.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I vote for the human\'s.
Why?
Sequel.
Thank\'s for listening.
That takes all the fun out of it. Everybody knows that that is how it will probably be. Everybody wont die obviously. Few movies do that. Its just more entertaining to hypothesize the different aspects that make each one more deadly.
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Nerds, arguing over who will win.
:laughing:
Sorry.
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Originally posted by (e)
Nerds, arguing over who will win.
:laughing:
Sorry.
We\'re all retards that crossed that finish line! :D
Aliens have no eye sight. They sense by smell and hearing.
The Dark Horse comic book version of A vs P that I read had one instance that made me think the Aliens were favorite hunting game for the Preds. Just as a human was about to be attacked by an Alien, a Predator decloaked itself and began fighting with the alien. The human described the Pred\'s movement as though it had learned through training. However, she noticed the Pred seemed to rely too much on class room "kung fu" (if you will) and it was killed by the alien.
Later on, the human (Asian female, BTW) saved a Predator from an alien. For some reason, maybe cultural, the Predator became her bodyguard. I didn\'t buy the rest of the series.
In another Dark Horse series of Aliens, a mutation of red aliens were formed. The black aliens and red aliens just did not get along. It was strange how the series never explained how the aliens survived in their own planet as there were no hosts for the face huggers.
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The novelization came out before the movie.
... the story is stupid. Some of you may have already mentioned the plot/ending.
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Regarding the Predators vision, they actually see like us, the heat vision is a part of their mask.
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If Aliens only have the senses of smell and hearing, ... how did they chase little Winona Ryder underwater in "Alien: Resurrection?" HUH??? GOTCHA! :p
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Originally posted by nO-One
Regarding the Predators vision, they actually see like us, the heat vision is a part of their mask.
I was pretty sure they saw with heat vision and all the mask does is give them other kinds of vision with trackers and whatnot.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
If Aliens only have the senses of smell and hearing, ... how did they chase little Winona Ryder underwater in "Alien: Resurrection?" HUH??? GOTCHA! :p
Sonar? I dunno. So both Alien and Predator is decided have the same playing field as eachother. They both see normally. I\'m still not so sure about the face huggers though. They aren\'t that smart to remove the mask, then get Predator. If it came near him, he\'d use his metal claws in his arm to stab it (which would probably melt his claw though), or use his laser. As for the acid spilling anywhere, if he fires at a safe distance, I\'m sure he wouldn\'t care where the acid goes.
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Predators can see in more than one vision, besides infrared...
See Predator 2...
The Xeno\'s have an advantage that most Pred weapons will be useless against them...
Hit one and your weapon is gone...
I think the Aliens have more than just hearing and smell...
In Alien: Res, they were able to detect Gediman behind glass in a separate booth. They were also able to see him threaten them with liquid nitrogen, as well as know where the button was to press it...
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Originally posted by Coredweller
If Aliens only have the senses of smell and hearing, ... how did they chase little Winona Ryder underwater in "Alien: Resurrection?" HUH??? GOTCHA! :p
Ya know...sharks can smell blood for miles underwater...maybe the Aliens...
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well the pg-13 rating is sort of a turn-off? why no r rating? yea the trailers look ok but..i just hope they don\'t screw it up...ala freddy vs jason some of the scenes in that flick was way over the top..like tossing jason around like he was in a pinball machine! :rolleyes: that scene was just wack!
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Originally posted by clips
like tossing jason around like he was in a pinball machine! :rolleyes: that scene was just wack!
:laughing: I thought that was funny as hell!!
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Originally posted by Ashford
Predators can see in more than one vision, besides infrared...
See Predator 2...
The Xeno\'s have an advantage that most Pred weapons will be useless against them...
Hit one and your weapon is gone...
I think the Aliens have more than just hearing and smell...
In Alien: Res, they were able to detect Gediman behind glass in a separate booth. They were also able to see him threaten them with liquid nitrogen, as well as know where the button was to press it...
We should just say Alien Ressurection never existed. This would be so much easier to debate. They twisted the plot too much in that movie :(
As for the Predator weapons being useless, why wouldn\'t they be effective? The gun would be pretty affective (the exploding laser), despite the fact that blood would splatter everywhere. What about that razor disk the Predator carried in the second movie? A group of Predators throw those would be quite an effective weapon :) I mean if Vazquez\'s pistol took out an Alien in Aliens (even though she used an entire clip), I think Predator can take a few out with his weapons.
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Titan = DUUHHH!!
:p
I meant they would become useless once you hit a Xeno...
If you saw the clip, a Pred slashed a Xeno\'s tail off and his claw melted...
Same with the other Pred weaps, such as the spear, net, and disc...
The laser would still work but only from long range and as a sniper...
The Xeno\'s are too fast to be hit by such a slow weapon...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Titan = DUUHHH!!
:p
I meant they would become useless once you hit a Xeno...
If you saw the clip, a Pred slashed a Xeno\'s tail off and his claw melted...
Same with the other Pred weaps, such as the spear, net, and disc...
The laser would still work but only from long range and as a sniper...
The Xeno\'s are too fast to be hit by such a slow weapon...
Well duh the claw would melt. Atleast he did some damage to the Alien :p
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Originally posted by Ashford
Predators can see in more than one vision, besides infrared...
See Predator 2...
That was because of their mask. With their normal eyes, they see heat vision.
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Well, thats where continuity issues come in...
In Predator 1, it could only see in infrared with the mask but in #2, it could see it without it...
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Originally posted by Titan
Well duh the claw would melt. Atleast he did some damage to the Alien :p
My point exactly...
1 weapon, 1 Xeno...
Don\'t think the Preds have 100 weapons...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Well, thats where continuity issues come in...
In Predator 1, it could only see in infrared with the mask but in #2, it could see it without it...
Well from what I know, the preds normal vision is heat. And can still obviously use it even when wearing the mask.
The heat vision in the first Predator was just really terrible. Crappy tech back then I guess.
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Originally posted by Ashford
My point exactly...
1 weapon, 1 Xeno...
Don\'t think the Preds have 100 weapons...
I\'m sure they messed up and added a couple too him :p Hopefully not.
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Originally posted by Ashford
Well, thats where continuity issues come in...
In Predator 1, it could only see in infrared with the mask but in #2, it could see it without it...
Are you high? Go watch the first Predator again...
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Better yet, go buy the new special edition DVD and go watch AvP2.
Err...
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
Are you high? Go watch the first Predator again...
No, I\'m not high...
If you call that fight between Arnie and the Pred, where its all red, infrared...then why, with the mask, do only objects that emit heat turn up red?
Certainly wasn\'t the same in #2...
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IF the preds natural vision was heat vision they wouldn\'t have eyes.
All the different types of vision they have are a part of their masks.
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Originally posted by nO-One
IF the preds natural vision was heat vision they wouldn\'t have eyes.
Even pit vipers use their vision to see with heat vision. Although their sight is limited within striking distance. Preds were thought to be swamp loving reptilian like animals. Hence why in Predator2, they tried to freeze them suckers.
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The preds natural version is thermal vision. It’s just in the first movie the jungle would have been so hot that he needed the computer on his arm to alter the temperature gradients through his mask so it was more obvious. Otherwise everything would be RED, just like when he takes of his mask..
Let me say it in simple terms, walk into a sauna, use heat vision and see how much of it u can make out....
The predators can change between their vision modes, the one in part 2 switches through a few modes when its in the cold storage being attacked by the humans.
Now that i\'ve proved how much of a lame as geek i am, i\'m gonna crawl under a rock now.
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I just don\'t see how it\'s THAT hard to comprehend that the Predator has night vision with it\'s mask off. Plus that movie was made a long arse time ago. It\'s not like they had top notch special effects. And they were on a very low budget and the movie was almost NOT made, But that has nothing to do with comprehending heat vision. Bleh...
And you\'re not a lame ass geek...you could do worse...
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delete me.
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Delete you? Are you that ashamed of the post???
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i had a reply, but i then deleted it....
as for my other post.. nothing to be ashamed of. If people bother to research they will see i\'m right. :)
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So...
I came to the theatre expecting this movie to be the worse thing since House of the Dead. I watched the first half hour, and thought the acting was sub-par to fair, and the story isn\'t really too bad. The next 30 minutes, things started to pick up and I thought things were going well.
The last half hour, it became a bit corny and it seems like they were hinting on some kind of weird relationship between the pred and the girl, but it was still fine. The fighting was entertaining enough and actually caused the whole audience to clap and whatnot. The ending hints at a sequel, so that\'s pretty much it.
Overall, this movie was satisfactory. Then again, I was expecting complete garbage.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
The last half hour, it became a bit corny and it seems like they were hinting on some kind of weird relationship between the pred and the girl
The ending hints at a sequel, so that\'s pretty much it.
I really didnt have to know these. Especially the first one. Of course we know that it was probably going to set up for another one but we didnt need to be told that it was open ended (not that it matters too much. the first i just didnt need to know).
Spoiler tags damnit.
Sorry for being anal. I just hate knowing any detail about movies that i plan on seeing seriously.
meh
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Now that i\'ve proved how much of a lame as geek i am, i\'m gonna crawl under a rock now.
You proved that in 1969 when you registered ;)
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The only way I could of walked out of this movie with a worse taste, is if Paul W. Anderson pissed it in himself.
God this movie was a diaster.
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There are so many flaws in this film to count. Joe Six Pack at the theatre I attended appeared to love it though.
Spoliers:
Incubation time of the aliens was somthing like 10 minutes.
Some weapons the predators used would melt from the acid. At other times it did not harm it in the least.
The Weaver wanna be stabbed an alien with it over top of her. yet 0 acid touched her.
In predator one and two they only showed up on the hottest day of the year. Yet they chose the coldest place to hunt on earth.
Weaver wanna be walked around with an alien head as a shield. Yet there was 0 acid in it. Same with the tail as a spear.
The alien queen looked like it belonged in jurassic park during a chase scene.
They spent a freaking hour going over how the pyramid was the culmination of three cultures. What in the heck for? Was this a stupid x-files insert?
Predator and human joining up.. No less other some poor actress that probably thinks she has a career now.
The ruins were 3000 feet underground. All perfectly ok in ice. Yet 30 feet from the camp is a freaking ocean.
There were three guns the predators had to retrieve. Don\'t ask me why?? It is the same gun that is always on their right shoulder. Anyways the humans took them. They made it a point to show you that they were after the guns. Yet they never went for them.
When they did get the guns it was worthless. It was too late in the game.
When the predator had pretty much admitted defeat. He did not stay with his bomb. He ran away like a cowardly human.
Since when did a human become a bigger badass than a predator?? A female no less. I am not of the school where females are superior to males in fighting. Perhaps nagging and bitching. Not fighting.
The new weaver wanna be is a horrible actress. God she is horrible. I have seen better b-flick actors.
I could keep going. There are atleast another dozen things that were off in this movie. I guess it may be ok if you are not a huge alien or predator fan, and just want to see some woman kick ass.
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I\'ll give this movie a C- on my scale. Just not what I was expecting, not to mention the poor script writing and bad acting. I will say with those two problems aside, the first hour and 15 minutes was solid.
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This movie looks like garbage.
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Originally posted by Capcom
Since when did a human become a bigger badass than a predator?? A female no less. I am not of the school where females are superior to males in fighting. Perhaps nagging and bitching. Not fighting.
I guess you better stop going to all male schools then....... ;)
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Snuck in to see it yesterday, It was good unil they started throwing comedy into it, I was getting pissed though because people in th theatre were laughing throughout most of the movie.. what type of shizzle is it when you can laugh to a predator movie!?
and WTF is up with the girl, that was so lame.
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Thanks guys you just save me $9 because I was gonna go see this today. Too bad this movie could have been kick ass.
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I didn\'t think the movie was bad at all.
I liked how they kept everything about aliens and predators original to their movies. They weren\'t "adjusted" to fit today\'s view of a futuristic alien race.
The movie was BAD ASS and it kicked so much ass.
I loved it.
Predator all the way.
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I didn\'t like it.
It was too short, the action wasn\'t all I hoped for, and they made the Predators out to be pretty wussy. Plus with PG-13, that meant no action. The camera missed every impact and sometimes I couldn\'t even tell who was winning a fight.
An R-rating and more action would have saved this one for me. Oh, and for making the Predators much tougher. I didn\'t care for the storyline with the relationship. At all.
-Dan
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Posted at DVDTalk.
k, first off, the movie is basically a rip of the story from Aliens vs. Predator: Prey. In fact, so much of the story is used that I believe had the budget been higher it the movie would have just been the comic book, but it\'d take a lot more than they have now.
So yeah there was some hokeyness setting up the story, but the basics are still there. Those are:
Aliens are "bred in captivity" by predators. Predators use the aliens as a "rite of passage". These predators are young, untried and untested. They aren\'t there to trophy hunt, they don\'t have the right to take trophies yet. These are the greenest of the greens, well trained but with no experience. They haven\'t earned their gun. Therefore, do not expect them to put up the kind of fight that the Predator in the original movie would be capable of.
In the comic book, last surving tough predator teams up with tough chick, kills all the aliens, fights the queen, dies, she gets props from the rest of the predators. So none of this was exactly new to me.
Now, about aliens. Aliens are not like any lifeform I\'ve ever heard of in sci-fi. From what the Aliens RPG(endorsed by Fox and presumably cannon and obviously read by Anderson) says, the best way to describe them is as a bio-robot. The acid for blood serves no purpose other than defense. They require no food, instead they "eat" electrical energy and require very minute amounts to keep them active. They can basically "feed" off of electrical impusles in the air(sorta like solar power). This is why the queen was revived by being shocked, and why all the aliens in the movie Aliens are hived close to the reactor. In the absence of electrical energy(or breeding hosts, because all they do when active is breed), they basically "shutdown", just like a robot with it\'s batteries out.
That\'s right, the queen from Aliens? She\'s alive(they do not breathe, and their bodies contain no gasses, so their carapace is strong enough to withstand the vacuum of space). And somewhere on that old ship on LB426 is massive colony of aliens, just waiting for someone to fire up the ships reactor to and reactivate them.
The only reason they "eat" organic material is to produce the resin for building hives(which is the same stuff their carapaces are made of), and laying eggs.
Oh and the whole "what\'s one chestburster gonna do" thing? Any alien can lay an egg. Only a queen can bust them out like crazy though. Normal "drones" can only lay about 1 a day, and only if they get enough organic material. So in theory it could go lay an egg(a queen egg too) but somehow I doubt it lasts long on that ship. Still, could be used in the sequel if there is one.
About Netty the great Predator killer(good name for him BTW). Netty is a "sentinal" alien(if I remember the name right). Sentinals are the ones that talk to the queen and carry out her orders. Notice that she gives the command, he runs off and comes back with a bunch of drones. You can also see some sentinals Aliens, when Ripley roasts the eggs and they start to come after her. There\'s about 1 sentinal per 20 or so aliens if I remember the RPG right(it\'s been a long time and I don\'t have the book handy, but there were 10 I think in Aliens with just about 200 colonists). Anyway, that would make Netty the only sentinal, and sentinals are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter than drones. A sentinal taking out a green predator isn\'t that big a shock, and of course the first one never saw it coming so it wasn\'t really a fight. Even a drone could kill one easily enough with a good ambush like that(though probably wouldn\'t be smart enough to set the ambush or patient enough to strike at the right time)
As to the queens size, the size of the queen reflects the needs of the hive. The bigger the hive, the bigger the queen and the more eggs she can lay. Since her only real purpose here is to lay eggs it looks like the predators dropped a big momma with some child-bearing hips so to speak in there. Made total sense to me. The queen in Aliens presided over a very small colony and was sized to match it(I think they labled her as a "stage one" in the RPG). The one in this movie is about the size described in the RPG for a very large colony, several thousand at least. Amazingly, in the book\'s decriptions they can get even bigger. The queens that run continent spanning hives reach tremendous sizes.
As to the story of the movie. It\'s obvious some people didn\'t get it. Humans were never meant to be inside the temple other than the sacrificial chamber. The humans get sacraficed, the aliens breed, the predators come in, pick up their lasers and The Hunt begins. What happend here is the humans figured out how get to and open the armory and the whole plan got shot to hell. The predators got seperated, there were more aliens than their should have been, and they didn\'t have thier guns.
Now in all of Predator cannon, there\'s 2 things that are constant of the whole race. One, they respect bravery above all things. And two, they are nothing if not pragmatic. The humans killed at the begining by the predators all had something in common, a gun. Take away the danger and the sport, they\'d still be alive.
Now, you put yourself in the predator\'s shoes when it encounters her. Not only is she harmless, she gives you your weapon. Considering which creek you\'re up without a paddle at this point(companions dead, you know you\'ve been facehuggered), that\'s a more than enough reason not to kill her. In fact, predators don\'t need a reason not to kill, just a reason TO kill. No gun on a human, no honor in the kill(which is why they ruled primative humans, and hunt modern day humans. We\'ve moved up some notches in trophy value thanks to our technology.)
Now not only is this human not threatening to you, she\'s managed to kill an alien all by herself. In hand to hand combat no less. A feat your two other companions weren\'t worthy of. That makes her OK in the predator\'s book, and while she\'d now make a great trophy, you aren\'t here for that, you are here for the test. A test you probably aren\'t going to survive at this point, and she\'s obivously got no grudge against you. Might as well have a little help.
Now from her side of the fence, she really has no options. The aliens do no negotiate, and while the predators did kill some humans it\'s obviously not indescrimnate, or there\'d be no people on Earth now. You can give this thing it\'s gun and hope that it can blast it\'s way out of there while you tag along.
A few other things people seem to be complaining about.
The missing of the chestburster is an easy answer. There\'s different viewing "modes"(exactly like the PC games). Why would any of the Predators be scanning for aliens at this point? And specifically in the X-ray type of the alien view mode that let them look inside a body. Of course, I never read anything into that point anyway, it\'s obvious what was gonna happen(the idea of predaliens is a HUGE fanboi favorite) and these kinds of movies always end with a "sequal jump" even if it\'s not used in the sequal. I actually expected to see some full grown predaliens in the movie somewhere, but everything was on a smaller scale than I\'d hoped.
The other thing is the camoflauge. Which is completely useless against aliens. I can\'t believe people are even talking about it. The very first predator that bites it is completely camo\'d up, sure helped him alot. Of course they don\'t use it. The humans can\'t beat them anyway(and there\'s hardly any left at that point), the aliens don\'t see via the visible light spectrum which is what it camo\'s, and the thing is draining battery that\'s better used when you get your laser. This one is a big DUH to me, but I guess some people just wanted to see it. Maybe they should wait for another Human vs Predator movie where it might serve a purpose, but it\'s not needed here. Although what was shown I thought looked better than in the previous movies.
And that brings me to another thing I liked and apparently no one else did. I thought the viewing modes were much better this time around. The infrared in the first movie was a godawful way to have to view the world. Everything was so blended together. This one was much more defined(mostly because IR camera\'s have improved), but if you have to have an excuse chalk it up to the differences in looking at a 98 degree heat signature in 98 degree suroundings vs 50 degree surroundings. Assuming that\'s what the complaint was, I don\'t know as no one has really said anything specific.
The ONE thing I took major issue with was the gestation period, but even that can be explained away as the predators are using a queen that can "quick breed" or something. Maybe she\'s spawned from a rabbit host, who knows. All I know is it would make sense if you were pushing a bunch of cadets through the test like they appeared to have been doing at one time.
There, now complain about that movie! See, it can all be explained.
:D
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AVP has Lance Henriksen, best actor ever, but that doesn\'t mean anything.
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I\'d also like to make a note of the movie poster. Look at the bottom right hand corner - the Preadtors hand, you can clearly see a human\'s hand under-neath it all. You can see his flesh. Jesus! It\'s a sad day when you screw up the poster for a movie, not to mention the movie itself.
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Jebus! That guy is awarded the uber nerd award for knowing WAY TO MUCH about stuff.
It just sucks everyone I know was all agreeing the predators were gonna spank the Aliens and they got thier asses kicked royally.
I\'ve gotta use this smilie :D
:gman:
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We also have a smilie that looks the same but instead says..
"Unknown swallows"
I\'ll let you discover it for yourself tho\'.
:D
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I liked it. Mainly coz it borrowed a lot from the Dark Horse comics of AvsP:Prey, as mentioned in that quote. most of the things that guy said I agree with. Only thing I didn\'t know was how aliens grew so quickly. No wonder they got so big so quickly!
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Originally posted by unknown
Jebus! That guy is awarded the uber nerd award for knowing WAY TO MUCH about stuff.
It just sucks everyone I know was all agreeing the predators were gonna spank the Aliens and they got thier asses kicked royally.
I\'ve gotta use this smilie :D
:gman:
Thanks for spoiling it for me :mad:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
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I\'d also like to make a note of the movie poster. Look at the bottom right hand corner - the Preadtors hand, you can clearly see a human\'s hand under-neath it all. You can see his flesh. Jesus! It\'s a sad day when you screw up the poster for a movie, not to mention the movie itself.
It looks like someone drew it though (or on computers). Maybe the guy who was modeling had skin and the artist was retarded.
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the long quote made it less gay than i previously thought. Didnt think about the predators being young and i havent read the aliens comics so i dont know stuff like that.
But the end was so stupid. My friend and I were laughing our asses off when they were running in slow motion.
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okay, that quote l-i-c has makes the movie a little less of a disaster. Too bad none of that made the transition to screen.
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Man
Now I feel like a complete loser for knowing all those things the guy said.
(I play AvP2 alot...)
That\'s probably why I thought the movie was ok...
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SPOILER:
How come the queen dropped her sack of eggs just to go after the predator and a chick? seemed like she gave up a lot to get not that much in return...
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You know, despite the fact that my long winded quote explained most the flaws in this movie, it still does not change the fact that it was an all around weak movie. Fox made a mistake in forcing Paul Anderson to deliver a PG-13 film. The camera work was complete shit during any fight scenes and then, all of what I posted did not make it to the screen. Which means, unless you have read the comics or you hunt down the information, the movie makes no sense. That in my opinion is a flaw with the film. Most of what was posted was critical things that should of made it into the film.
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I...
I don\'t suppose that.. Bill Paxton makes a guest appearance reprising his role as Hudson, does he?
... :(
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Oh, and I just want to mention that the Xenomorph looks so much cooler and scarier than that silly predator thing.
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Yeah, Hudson is in it Bobo. You get to see him in training.
:D
j/k
Yes, the Xenomorph\'s look fairly cool, but the movie still bites the big one. It bites worse than Alien: Ressurection - and that is damn hard to do.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yeah, Hudson is in it Bobo. You get to see him in training.
:D
Don\'t toy with me.. :mad:
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We\'re on the express elevator to hell.. Goin\' DOWN
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Oh you want some??
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Oh that\'s just fucking great. Now what the fuck are we gonna do?
....ahhh.. /swoon
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"Game over man, ****in\' game over.."
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God i love that movie.
*joins bob swooning*
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Originally posted by Titan
Sonar? I dunno. So both Alien and Predator is decided have the same playing field as eachother. They both see normally. I\'m still not so sure about the face huggers though. They aren\'t that smart to remove the mask, then get Predator. If it came near him, he\'d use his metal claws in his arm to stab it (which would probably melt his claw though), or use his laser. As for the acid spilling anywhere, if he fires at a safe distance, I\'m sure he wouldn\'t care where the acid goes.
That would melt the mask and his face
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It bites worse than Alien: Ressurection - and that is damn hard to do.
I thought Resurrection was pretty cool with Alien 3 being the dud in the series.
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You only have to consider one factor to realize how much better Alien 3 was. Which film was scarier? Alien: Resurrection or Alien 3? Clearly Alien 3 was scarier because it was an attempt by David Fincher to take the series back to it\'s horror roots and make it more like the first film. There was ONE alien in Alien 3, not swarms of them like in Aliens and Resurrection. It\'s better that way.
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AvP rocked. I rikey very much.
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I like the swarms of aliens. Not that 3 and 1 were bad, i just happen to like 2 and reserrection (aliens being my favorite, of course).
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Which film was scarier? Alien: Resurrection or Alien 3? Clearly Alien 3 was scarier because it was an attempt by David Fincher to take the series back to it\'s horror roots and make it more like the first film. There was ONE alien in Alien 3, not swarms of them like in Aliens and Resurrection. It\'s better that way.
He did attempt to make it scary, a shame he couldn\'t. I was bored and the cg was down right laughable. Sorry, I couldn\'t get in to it.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You only have to consider one factor to realize how much better Alien 3 was. Which film was scarier? Alien: Resurrection or Alien 3? Clearly Alien 3 was scarier because it was an attempt by David Fincher to take the series back to it\'s horror roots and make it more like the first film. There was ONE alien in Alien 3, not swarms of them like in Aliens and Resurrection. It\'s better that way.
I don\'t really see how it\'s better that way. Just different. I really don\'t think there are many people that would say 1 was clearly a better movie than 2 (and vise versa). Having said that, I think the second movie did encompass everything that made the original great, just to a lesser extent and put more emphasis on the suspensful and almost confusing action sequences. The characters were also much more enjoyable, and draws the audience closer into the film (and then alienates them when the characters die). The second movie also had a richer story, IMO (the relationship between Ripley and her daughter/newt - continuing the companies greed and utter disregard for human life, the characters\' confusion, helplessness and reactions to eachother and those in authority, etc.).
The first film was definately more of a classic horror film, in that it was all about battling the unknown. The crew had no idea what the face-hugger had done to Kane, nor what was happening to him at the table. Their utter bemusement at the creature that popped out of his chest, then discovering more and more about the alien as it developed. What I loved most was never actually seeing the alien clearly (except, IIRC, one shot when they\'re in the ducts, but that was still only the face/arms). It was suspense at it\'s finest. My point starts here, btw: The third film really did not capture this at all. The audience was all fully familiar with the aliens by this stage and any attempts to bring it back to it\'s roots would fail miserably. The alien had almost too much personality and the whole film became almost standard.
What I did really enjoy was the final attempt to lure the alien into the smelting room (or whatever it was). I thought the tunnel chase scene was very enjoyable, and highly original. What made the second so much better than the third was that it didn\'t try and emulate the original, it just evolved in a very natural and appropriate way. How can one alien going on a killing spree again (although, in 3 it was mjuch bigger I think..) be consindered better than Cameron showing how truely powerful the race actually is? By having the completely overwhelm and dissect a group of "very tough hombres" who could handle anything? Also, as I touched on earlier, there were throw-backs to the original film in the second. The scene where Ripley and Newt were attacked by the face-huggers, also as the marines entered the complex, before there were any aliens shown. As the marines were first attacked - the aliens fitting in perfectly with the environment and never getting a clear view. Just because it was on a larger scale does not necessarilly remove the horror element from it.
Dammit, I could go on forever. :p
IMO, btw. :)
Oh, and 4 was just crap. Ripped off the 3 previous films horrably, and tried to get too clever and it all just imploded on itself in a great big baconfuck.
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I liked the move a lot (AvP), personally. It could have been a LOT better. But I think a movie like this was probably very hard to direct.
*SPOILER*
Just kidding...
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Originally posted by Ginko
I thought Resurrection was pretty cool with Alien 3 being the dud in the series.
I liked Alien Resurrection but I thought they did things in the movie that just didn\'t fit in. I\'m still trying to figure out cloning Ripley and her remembering stuff from her past life. I don\'t even see why they cloned her or how. Maybe they should have just left her out of it. It was a weak movie but I did like it. Alien 3 I thought was pretty good. I liked the alternative script though that had Hicks in it too and he turns out to be a big hero. But Alien 3 was a good ending to the original trilogy. What would have happened if Ripley survived? Another sequel with the same type of story line. Resurrection I thought was a good movie and attempt but they did change things too much. It was my least favorite out of the Alien movies. Aliens is still the best and they should have kept Hudson :)
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Originally posted by Titan
I liked Alien Resurrection but I thought they did things in the movie that just didn\'t fit in. I\'m still trying to figure out cloning Ripley and her remembering stuff from her past life. I don\'t even see why they cloned her or how. Maybe they should have just left her out of it.
OMG man, WHY they cloned her? Because... wait for it... she had an ALIEN inside of her! A queen one at that. In those hundreds of years they\'ve obviously advanced the idea of cloning far enough so as to replicate the state that the human (or whatever they are cloning) perfectly. Well, theorhetically perfectly. Though that idea is TOTALLY flawed, I guess when they recovered part of Ripley her remains were mixed in with the aliens remains, in which case it probably would have been far more cost effective to try and differentiate and separate the alien DNA from the Human DNA. In the movie they showed you all the clones that had crossed genes with the alien that was inside of her. Now, I\'m not sure if this was intentional or not as the final Ripley clone had crossed genes with the Xenomorph (which is HOW she remembers, the Xenomorph have genetic memories, memories passed down via ones genes..). Thus, with the xenomorphs traits, Ripley could remember some things. Though this is obviously flawed, but whatever. Now, onto why they didn\'t just clone the alien, perhaps either the scriptwriters didn\'t think of it, or they did and chose to go with deliberately trying to cross the twos genes. After all, in all these centuries, they should be pretty good at cloning by now. Why would they want to cross the two over intentionally? Well.. did you see at the end, how impressed the scientist was when the Xenomorph was given the \'benefit\' (although I would argue it\'s a complete and utter hindrance) or the human reproductive system? Perhaps that is what he was trying to do. Though they never explained it as deliberate, and thus it was accidental, and thus the movie is shit because the script was stupid whilst trying to be too smart.
It was a weak movie but I did like it. Alien 3 I thought was pretty good. I liked the alternative script though that had Hicks in it too and he turns out to be a big hero. But Alien 3 was a good ending to the original trilogy. What would have happened if Ripley survived? Another sequel with the same type of story line. Resurrection I thought was a good movie and attempt but they did change things too much. It was my least favorite out of the Alien movies. Aliens is still the best and they should have kept Hudson :) [/B]
I always dreamed of Alien 3 with Hicks in it. AND Hudson..*swoon again..
:)
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They should have cloned Hudson in Resurrection instead. Yeah, it wouldn\'t have made sense, but dammit, its Hudson :D
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Originally posted by Titan
They should have cloned Hudson in Resurrection instead. Yeah, it wouldn\'t have made sense, but dammit, its Hudson :D
Haha. That\'s funny.
They could simply remove Alien from the title, and just call it "Resurrection". And have him sit around a camp fire with some boy scouts for a few hours telling ghost stories with extreme profanity.
Yah, much better movie.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Haha. That\'s funny.
They could simply remove Alien from the title, and just call it "Resurrection". And have him sit around a camp fire with some boy scouts for a few hours telling ghost stories with extreme profanity.
Yah, much better movie.
Seriously. Hudson made Aliens great. Would have most likely not rocked as much if they didn\'t have him in it. Its a shame he died. I was very disappointed in that.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
"Game over man, ****in\' game over.."
that was classic! :laughing: aliens was by far the best in the series..
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as a filmmaker, I\'m satisfied with the film, but as a fan of the originals, this cut really pisses me off, so it makes sense I guess."
Paul Anderson on AvP and making excuses for his incompetence as a director. (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=2378&Template=newsfull)
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Saw it, thought it was one of the worst movies i\'ve ever seen. I don\'t know how this crew had both the Aliens and The Predators in the same movie and made it one of the most boring things i\'ve ever watched...but hey...job well done I guess.
I didn\'t read the whole thread so thats just my 2 cents.
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Jooshles!
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bobby!!
*hugs*
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Originally posted by Ginko
Paul Anderson on AvP and making excuses for his incompetence as a director. (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=2378&Template=newsfull)
Its cool they are coming out with an R-rated directors cut though. Maybe it won\'t be "mangled" and "cut". I\'m gonna see this movie in a few days.
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I saw it and thought it was decent...
The biggest gripe I have is the action scenes were zoomed in so I couldn\'t tell what the heck was going on...