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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clowd on August 08, 2004, 07:36:02 PM
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All I see all over the news is MM is an idiot, MM is a pitiful exucse ofa human being, MM is a lunatic, horrible horrible name calling.
What has he done?
He\'s released one movie that is biased toward one presidentual canidate, with one sketchy report in it about the Saudi royal family and Bush and now he\'s got people calling him horrible things.
I just don\'t see it right that all this abusive namecalling of MM is tolerated and used by big TV personalities.
You\'d think the guy killed a baby somebody for all the verbal crap hes been taking.
I just want to know what makes you guys so angry with him?
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oh no
im not in this. heh
*waits*
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You\'re kidding right? You think it was AFTER F9/11 that people started hating him?
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Originally posted by THX
You\'re kidding right? You think it was AFTER F9/11 that people started hating him?
his little movies over guns and whatever?
Who cares?
If he made a movie praising abortion do you think I would walk around saying how much I hate him and how hes such an idiot?
Why not have respect for his opinions?
If some fat white guy made a movie (documentary whatever you want to call it) interviewing white people talkinga bout how its best for colored people to move to a certain area etc would I care? Would I get full of rage in my heart? No. I would laugh at the ignorance if anything. These people come by the dozens. And if they happen to have a twisted view on something, so what?
You wont see me wasting my breath bashing them.
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Weren\'t you the one calling gay people "Anal Swabs"?
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The bitter attacks on Michael Moore only prove how much conservatives see him as a threat. Many of the theories he suggests have the ring of truth, or at least they seem plausible. No one can deny that. They ARE plausible. Maybe some of the most frightening conclusions will be proven and understood by the majority of the public, though there will always be conservatives with a limitless capacity for denial.
To forestall such an outcome, it\'s most expedient to tear the guy down and call him names in advance. Politicans and TV personalities rip him up without having seen his movies or read his books. I think some believe this will discredit him, and that discredit will carry over to the theories and conclusions he has offered. Any attack you can think of, throw it at him. Maybe something will stick...
To me, the most disturbing part of this is when someone tells ME something like "You damage your credibility by associating yourself with Michael Moore..." Nonsense. It\'s like some rudimentary attempt at behavior conditioning. "You don\'t want to see a Michael Moore film because then people will think you\'re as much a nutcase as he is..." Hah ha ha. The only problem is that it\'s too late for that. F9/11 is already a hugely successful film, millions have seen it, and you can\'t put the genie back in the bottle. You can\'t tell people what to think, and you can\'t change reality by pissing on the messenger.
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People fear what they do not understand ;)
Seriously though, a lot of it depends on where you get your news. I tend to rarely listen to more conservative news sources since they generally piss me off, so I don\'t hear that as much as you may.
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yep, michael moore is mm.:D
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Michael Moore is not an idiot. I know a lot of idiots and I like them and it\'s an insult to my idiot friends.
He\'s more of an angry anti-American type.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
The bitter attacks on Michael Moore only prove how much conservatives see him as a threat. Many of the theories he suggests have the ring of truth, or at least they seem plausible. No one can deny that. They ARE plausible. Maybe some of the most frightening conclusions will be proven and understood by the majority of the public, though there will always be conservatives with a limitless capacity for denial.
To forestall such an outcome, it\'s most expedient to tear the guy down and call him names in advance. Politicans and TV personalities rip him up without having seen his movies or read his books. I think some believe this will discredit him, and that discredit will carry over to the theories and conclusions he has offered. Any attack you can think of, throw it at him. Maybe something will stick...
To me, the most disturbing part of this is when someone tells ME something like "You damage your credibility by associating yourself with Michael Moore..." Nonsense. It\'s like some rudimentary attempt at behavior conditioning. "You don\'t want to see a Michael Moore film because then people will think you\'re as much a nutcase as he is..." Hah ha ha. The only problem is that it\'s too late for that. F9/11 is already a hugely successful film, millions have seen it, and you can\'t put the genie back in the bottle. You can\'t tell people what to think, and you can\'t change reality by pissing on the messenger.
Oh come on! Any intelligent person knows Michael Moore manipulates events for his own agenda and passes it off as the gospel truth! He is a discredit to himself and always sidesteps the answers to questions people ask about his films. If he doesn\'t do that - he attacks them as "wacko" conservatives when he can\'t answer their questions or is proved to be wrong - which happens to be most of the time when it comes to his movies.
He is the Joseph Goebbels of the left whether you want to admit it or not. I don\'t run around spouting the greatness of Limbaugh - though I could argue that he is just as, if not more successful than Michael Moore in his respective medium. Michael Moore is also anti American and praises both symbolic and physical enemies of our country - to say he is a patriot is blasphemy.
There are two kinds of people who enjoy is work - those who look at it as entertainment only and those that hate the current administration and are so blinded by their hatred that they swallow everything the fat man feeds them. I still can\'t believe he won an Oscar for that farce of a film Bowling for Columbine - he should give it back for lying.
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When liberals say conservatives view MM as a threat to conservatives...that\'s false.
When liberals journalists, themselves, have criticised MM for his inaccurate "documentaries", THEY feel threatened that the public will further distrust the media. Why should people have to check every line MM says just to be sure he\'s telling the whole truth and not some spin?
It\'s not just conservatives who find him annoying. Please stop the ignorance. At least we can all agree that MM rarely tells the whole truth and twists a lot of edited footage to give the wrong impression.
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Originally posted by Ace
Michael Moore is not an idiot. I know a lot of idiots and I like them and it\'s an insult to my idiot friends.
He\'s more of an angry anti-American type.
he\'s anti Bush...now when did that become anti American ?
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Originally posted by ooseven
he\'s anti Bush...now when did that become anti American ?
He\'s more than anti Bush. I\'ll pull some quotes shortly.
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trust me....
He\'s NOT anti American
If you want to know what one of them sounds like.....come over here and i could introduce you to them in person.
Mind you the meeting wouldn\'t go to well
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OK, so you don\'t want the quotes, that\'s cool because I\'m kind of busy anyway.
I\'m sure YOU know plenty of anti Americans. :) J/k By the way, I don\'t have to travel across the world to talk to anti Americans, we have our own home grown version right here.
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Originally posted by ooseven
trust me....
He\'s NOT anti American
If you want to know what one of them sounds like.....come over here and i could introduce you to them in person.
Mind you the meeting wouldn\'t go to well
An anti American US citizen is totally different than an anti American foreigner. Regardless, Michael Moore is anti American.
Tell you what - we will trade you Blair for Moore if you like. Then the fat bastard can be your embarassment. :D
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Can someone explain why he\'s anti American For taking pot Shots at the Current Admin ?
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Originally posted by ooseven
trust me....
He\'s NOT anti American
If you want to know what one of them sounds like.....come over here and i could introduce you to them in person.
Mind you the meeting wouldn\'t go to well
Still pissed off about the Revolution, I see.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Can someone explain why he\'s anti American For taking pot Shots at the Current Admin ?
I could give you more on this, if you want more do a search as even I tire of posting his stupidity:
The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow—and they will win.
- Michael Moore
That is about as verbally anti American as a US citizen can get.
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Michael Moor is France\'s hero. ooseven would have sex with him if MM wasn\'t heterosexual. ;)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Michael Moor is France\'s hero. ooseven would have sex with him if MM wasn\'t heterosexual. ;)
You should be banned just for creating that visual in my head.
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Originally posted by Ace
You should be banned just for creating that visual in my head.
Heh! Cored just might do that. :)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I could give you more on this, if you want more do a search as even I tire of posting his stupidity:
The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow—and they will win.
- Michael Moore
That is about as verbally anti American as a US citizen can get.
That doesn\'t sound anti-American. The guy is basically saying that these people have been mistreated for so long, that when another group of people invade their country and kill their people they have to do something about it. Kind of like our revolution, the colonist rose up against their own mother country. The Iraqis just want to be left alone from what I\'ve seen happen over there.
And it\'s sad because THEY ARE WINNING. Everytime an American soldier loses his life they win. And with so many American soldiers dead, they have don alot of winning.
So tell me, Am I anti-American because I don\'t like Bush and I think that the war in Iraq has done nothing but screwed our soldiers over?!
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Michael Moore said the stupidest Canadian is smarter than the smartest American...
Not anti-American?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
That doesn\'t sound anti-American. The guy is basically saying that these people have been mistreated for so long, that when another group of people invade their country and kill their people they have to do something about it. Kind of like our revolution, the colonist rose up against their own mother country. The Iraqis just want to be left alone from what I\'ve seen happen over there.
So I guess we are no better than Saddam? That\'s the implication, am I right or am I misreading what you are saying?
And it\'s sad because THEY ARE WINNING. Everytime an American soldier loses his life they win. And with so many American soldiers dead, they have don alot of winning.
So all the wars we have ever fought are losses because soldiers died?
So tell me, Am I anti-American because I don\'t like Bush and I think that the war in Iraq has done nothing but screwed our soldiers over?!
I don\'t know, keep talking. ;)
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
That doesn\'t sound anti-American. The guy is basically saying that these people have been mistreated for so long, that when another group of people invade their country and kill their people they have to do something about it. Kind of like our revolution, the colonist rose up against their own mother country. The Iraqis just want to be left alone from what I\'ve seen happen over there.
And it\'s sad because THEY ARE WINNING. Everytime an American soldier loses his life they win. And with so many American soldiers dead, they have don alot of winning.
So tell me, Am I anti-American because I don\'t like Bush and I think that the war in Iraq has done nothing but screwed our soldiers over?!
That is very anti American - calling the terrorists not the enemy and labeling them freedom fighters. :rolleyes: Their uprising is nowhere near the same as our Revolutionary war. Did minutemen run around and kidnap people and then behead them? I can\'t say this enough Mystiq - do some research before you type a dumbass response - I do try and respond to your posts, but it is really starting to feel like a job. The British didn\'t "invade" the "colonies". Do they even teach American History anymore?
Mystiq I do believe you are bitter about this country\'s laws and you lash out at anyone in office who doesn\'t put hispanics and immigration first. It effects your overall attitude towards almost every post in CE. Let me give a little news flash - The Democrats who you think will help your family and their immigration status - won\'t. Also don\'t whine about minorities not getting a better education as you have stated that your grades are "not too good". You shouldn\'t even bring up education as you obviously have no personal interest in it.
I also fail to see how you think the insurgents are winning - can you name a major battle that they have won? Do you know or even have any idea what would constitute a tactical victory in Iraq? If your definition of winning is getting spineless wimps like yourself to declare them winners for killing a few of our troops then I guess they are winning. :rolleyes:
The only area I see where these terrorists could proclaim victory is getting Spain and the Phillipines to withdraw their token forces.
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GigaShadow owns...
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Still pissed off about the Revolution, I see.
yeah now there is a good point...if it wasn\'t for people standing up against the Admin (the British) your country would even exsist.
Ah well how times have changed.... now if you dare question the Bush Admin...your branded one of THEM by all the right wing nut jobs ....and shipped of to Camp Detal to have your mouth sowen up.
:rolleyes:
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no taxation w/o representation biaaaaaaaaatch
Someone should honestly poll the Iraqi citizens:
Do you wish the US never came over and Saddam was still in power?
A) Yes
B) No
All I hear is people from other countries not even involved doing all the complaining. Iraq is sitting on a goldmine and it can either go mostly to a tyrannical military strongmen, OR the Iraqi people. It\'s sad that so many of them can\'t even read with a government that has been so wealthy.
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opinions?
michael moore purposely manipulates timelines and facts for his convienence
he\'s clever, i\'ll give him that, but he\'s a flat out propaganda machine.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
That is very anti American - calling the terrorists not the enemy and labeling them freedom fighters. :rolleyes: Their uprising is nowhere near the same as our Revolutionary war. Did minutemen run around and kidnap people and then behead them? I can\'t say this enough Mystiq - do some research before you type a dumbass response - I do try and respond to your posts, but it is really starting to feel like a job. The British didn\'t "invade" the "colonies". Do they even teach American History anymore?
Mystiq I do believe you are bitter about this country\'s laws and you lash out at anyone in office who doesn\'t put hispanics and immigration first. It effects your overall attitude towards almost every post in CE. Let me give a little news flash - The Democrats who you think will help your family and their immigration status - won\'t. Also don\'t whine about minorities not getting a better education as you have stated that your grades are "not too good". You shouldn\'t even bring up education as you obviously have no personal interest in it.
I also fail to see how you think the insurgents are winning - can you name a major battle that they have won? Do you know or even have any idea what would constitute a tactical victory in Iraq? If your definition of winning is getting spineless wimps like yourself to declare them winners for killing a few of our troops then I guess they are winning. :rolleyes:
The only area I see where these terrorists could proclaim victory is getting Spain and the Phillipines to withdraw their token forces.
I see an American soldier die for a war that turned out to be a false, you see an American soldier that died doing "his job" I don\'t think it\'s fine that Bush just "made a mistake" and sent so many troops to die to make Hussein get rid of his WMD that never existed.
Didn\'t Saddam give up weapons that he had legal right too just to show how serious he was about not having WMD?
I see almost a thousand soldiers dead after Bush declared "mission accomplished" You see "a few of our troops" dying.
The Iraqis aren\'t "terrorist" because that is what MM said, or that is what your quote states. The "freedom fighters" are the Iraqi people and why the hell would they be fighting if it wasn\'t for freedom. B/c all of the ones attacking our forces are only doing it b/c they feel that the US has stayed there way too long.
Give it up with the immigration issue. I honestly don\'t care if you assume I\'m angry b/c they didn\'t push the immigration reform enough. I\'m not but if it helps you tear apart my character in this forums I don\'t care. Also you don\'t know half about me or my intelligence except for whatever I post in these boards. I honestly don\'t care to accomodate the way I post to fit your reasoning. And go ahead and continute to attack my character and intelligence, I won\'t go cry about it.
A spineless wimp?
I supposse that is better than a heartless bastard.
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First of all WMD\'s weren\'t the only reason we invaded Iraq. Yes, none have been found as of this time and yes, it was one of the major reasons we invaded, but the war on terror is now primarily being fought in Iraq as opposed to here. The ones fighting US and coalition troops are not the ones who want freedom. They are the ones who want to set up a theocracy like Iran\'s or put another person like Saddam in power. You call that freedom??? The Iraqi\'s have been given a gift and if they chose not to use it and take advantage of all of its benefits it is their fault alone. The reality is post war Iraq is way more difficult than anyone predicted, but giving up and walking away is not the answer - it will just reenforce your belief that our servicemen have died for nothing.
A thousand soldiers is a price, but if you look at it in context with all of the other major American conflicts it is not that much. What I am interested in is the question of would you have been whining about casualities during WW2, WW1, the Korean War, etc? It seems that some can\'t stomach ANY losses and IMO that portrays our country as weak to our enemies. Your Iraqi "freedom fighters" don\'t lament over the number their losses do they?
As for attacking you - I respond to your posts which some of the time contradict themselves (see the "we need better education, but my grades suck" topics). I attack the content of your posts and if you looked yesterday I actually agreed with you in one post.
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Originally posted by mm
opinions?
michael moore purposely manipulates timelines and facts for his convienence
he\'s clever, i\'ll give him that, but he\'s a flat out propaganda machine.
So is Rush . He\'s the Republican version. Both sides have their propaganda machines.
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Its America.
Expect TV to be stupid.
It is what teaches our children afterall.
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Originally posted by (e)
Its America.
Expect TV to be stupid.
It is what teaches our children afterall.
I love when you try to sound smart, but come off looking like a jackass.
No offense, but I think no matter how bad none of us get along in this forum, we can all agree on one thing...
What is that you ask?
Your opinion doesn\'t count.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
No offense, but I think no matter how bad none of us get along in this forum, we can all agree on one thing...
What is that you ask?
Your opinion doesn\'t count.
:laughing: That was pretty funny LIC.
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Not only was it funny but it was very true.
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well i don\'t know about them winning, but i know morale is not the greatest among american troops..thing is these terrorists the u.s. are facing now i believe are outside fighters...and they are committed to driving out the the u.s. making the whole region unstable..they don\'t necessarily want to defeat the u.s. ..they just want to make living there unbearable and to show that the u.s. with all it\'s military might cannot provide security...
as far as mm goes in some instances you can call some of these people freedom fighters..like when it comes to the palestinians..to some degree i feel they are...but giga you stated the iraqi\'s were given a gift...explain that to the few whose houses were bombed in the shock & awe campaign:rolleyes:
you can\'t force democracy on a nation if they don\'t want it...maybe some of the iraqi\'s are coming around to it, i\'m not sure,..because in the very beginning (spel) i felt it was strickly iraqi\'s attacking the u.s....now i feel it\'s mostly outside insurgents...
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Originally posted by clips
well i don\'t know about them winning, but i know morale is not the greatest among american troops....
And you know this how???
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Originally posted by mjps21983
And you know this how???
just reading about it & hearing it on the news in general...yes there are some there that are proud to be there,..but some also are dredding the fact that they are in some type of quadmire...it\'s kinda troubling to hear of some of the suicides that have taken place that your hardly ever hear about...
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Proud to be made an illusion to it, but he basically just said that the people were ungrateful and didn\'t want to lift a finger to help rebuild their country. That might be where clips is getting that conclusion, but since none of us are there who knows.
Clips, you mean the Iraqi\'s weren\'t given a gift by having that dictator removed? Regardless of what type of government comes to power next, I am sure most Iraqi\'s are glad Saddam is gone. I also fail to see how your lame attempt at sarcasm over a "few" Iraqi\'s losing huts makes my point invalid.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Proud to be made an illusion to it, but he basically just said that the people were ungrateful and didn\'t want to lift a finger to help rebuild their country. That might be where clips is getting that conclusion, but since none of us are there who knows.
Clips, you mean the Iraqi\'s weren\'t given a gift by having that dictator removed? Regardless of what type of government comes to power next, I am sure most Iraqi\'s are glad Saddam is gone. I also fail to see how your lame attempt at sarcasm over a "few" Iraqi\'s losing huts makes my point invalid.
giga you and i both know the u.s. didn\'t go there to give them a gift or to liberate the iraqi people..that said i do feel some of the iraqi\'s are grateful that we interviened,..but can you honestly say that living conditions are better than they were under saddam? i don\'t think so..and i\'m not talkin\' about him gasing his people i\'m talkin\' in the last days of his rule...you probably couldn\'t do s**t in his country but at least there was order...kinda like one of the u.s. allies good \'ol dictatoship country\'s saudi arabia...
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Clips - I didn\'t say that we went their to liberate the Iraqi\'s did I? I said they were given a gift to be free from under Saddam\'s grip. The ones who are causing crappy living conditions are radicals and sources from outside Iraq coming there to cause trouble.
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I dig Michael Moore, but even I\'m sick of all this Moore talk. Everyone should go watch a new movie.
Moore is not anti-American. He wants things to be better. Whether you agree that things need improvement or whatever else is fine, but he just sees room for improvement and happens to know how to work a video camera.
Moving on...
-Dan
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Moore doesn\'t want to make things better. He wants to profit from his movies. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Nothing more American than that. ;]
-Dan
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Oh come on! Any intelligent person knows Michael Moore manipulates events for his own agenda and passes it off as the gospel truth! He is a discredit to himself and always sidesteps the answers to questions people ask about his films. If he doesn\'t do that - he attacks them as "wacko" conservatives when he can\'t answer their questions or is proved to be wrong - which happens to be most of the time when it comes to his movies.
He is the Joseph Goebbels of the left whether you want to admit it or not. I don\'t run around spouting the greatness of Limbaugh - though I could argue that he is just as, if not more successful than Michael Moore in his respective medium. Michael Moore is also anti American and praises both symbolic and physical enemies of our country - to say he is a patriot is blasphemy.
There are two kinds of people who enjoy is work - those who look at it as entertainment only and those that hate the current administration and are so blinded by their hatred that they swallow everything the fat man feeds them. I still can\'t believe he won an Oscar for that farce of a film Bowling for Columbine - he should give it back for lying.
Sounds like a republician to me....
Thing is, Michael Moore Does things the way republicians have been doing it for years. He takes an event, blows it out of proportion and shoves it down peoples throats. Republicians have been doing it for so long, I think they are jealous that he is so much better at it than they are.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Clips - I didn\'t say that we went their to liberate the Iraqi\'s did I? I said they were given a gift to be free from under Saddam\'s grip. The ones who are causing crappy living conditions are radicals and sources from outside Iraq coming there to cause trouble.
Given a gift? You mean force-fed.
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I am sorry, but the only difference I see in him and Rush are these things.
1: Moore can use a video camera instead of radio.
2: He isn\'t a republican.
Give me a break. They are both the same. Selling propaganda to the given side that they supposely believe in.
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What station is Bush on? I\'ve never heard him on the radio....then again, I don\'t really listen to the radio and if I do its one rock station :)
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He said Rush not Bush
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Originally posted by Titan
What station is Bush on? I\'ve never heard him on the radio....then again, I don\'t really listen to the radio and if I do its one rock station :)
I am goin\' out on a limb here and guessing you have a problem reading, most notably the difference in a \'R and a \'B\'.
;)
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Wow. Come to think of it, R\'s and B\'s are pretty close cousins ;).
Im with LIC on the last (major) comment. But thats no surprise.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I am goin\' out on a limb here and guessing you have a problem reading, most notably the difference in a \'R and a \'B\'.
;)
I thought it might have been a typo. You know, those happen quite often on this board ;)
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Sounds like a republician to me....
Thing is, Michael Moore Does things the way republicians have been doing it for years. He takes an event, blows it out of proportion and shoves it down peoples throats. Republicians have been doing it for so long, I think they are jealous that he is so much better at it than they are.
Like Cheney did in a recent speech about ONE word that Kerry used in one of his speeches?
I think it was "sensible"
Cheney completely MISGUIDED the people about the ENTIRE meaning of the speech...
But hey it\'s politics.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Like Cheney did in a recent speech about ONE word that Kerry used in one of his speeches?
I think it was "sensible"
Cheney completely MISGUIDED the people about the ENTIRE meaning of the speech...
But hey it\'s politics.
You can\'t be serious. Clinton and his famous line "Depends on what the definition of \'is\' is."
But hey, you don\'t know squat.
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Kerry did say that we should "wage a more sensitive war on terror". WTF - yeah lets show some compassion towards some terrorists! Great idea Kerry!
Mystiq you didn\'t even use the right word and secondly he said it so please STFU. Thank you kindly. :)
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Anyone notice that Bush says "turn the corner" a lot?