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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on August 03, 2004, 11:47:32 AM
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I\'m watching the US team get dominated by Italy... God this is embarasing, they are getting outplayed in every facet. And to top it off, the refs have some kind of grudge against the US team, it\'s pretty freak\'n obvious that they are biased. But they would still be getting their asses handed to them even if the refs were calling the game down the middle.
BTW, I was surprised to see the Itallians not playing the game in sweat pants, and pit staind wife beaters.
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WTF
I thought we always won when it came to basketball.
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well we lost the world championship 2 years ago, and thanks to the majority of the original olympic roster backing out, we have a pretty weak team this year (compared to what it could have been)
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69 - 4 is the USA Basketball record since letting NBA players play. 3 losses came last year and 1 the most recent to Italy. We got completely outplayed in every position. That was some of the most selfish and badly played basketball I have ever witnessed. I wish the USA team would just comprise a college all-star team and let them play. They wouldn\'t ever lose.
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Or, when they sellect the team, make sure it\'s a TEAM. You can\'t have a scorer at every position, get a pg that can distribute the ball, rebounding big men, a sweet shooting sf and all great defensive players. Instead, they just try to get the most popular players they can get.
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I would rather they send the And1 mixtape team than College All-Stars. At least if we lose they can make it look good.
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If Tyson was fighting, we\'d win!
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We have too many inexperienced players playing for us, and yeah we could have a team that rivals the 92 dream team. Do you think any team could beat Shaq, Garnet, Duncan, Bryant, and Kidd?
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Originally posted by ViVi
We have too many inexperienced players playing for us, and yeah we could have a team that rivals the 92 dream team. Do you think any team could beat Shaq, Garnet, Duncan, Bryant, and Kidd?
Mike Tyson.
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Originally posted by ViVi
We have too many inexperienced players playing for us, and yeah we could have a team that rivals the 92 dream team. Do you think any team could beat Shaq, Garnet, Duncan, Bryant, and Kidd?
With Kidd on the team I don\'t know how you plan on rivaling the 92 team.
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kidd pwnz ya
:laughing: lic
I don\'t care if the Americans lose, it\'s just the Olympics :ghey:
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Originally posted by Bozco
With Kidd on the team I don\'t know how you plan on rivaling the 92 team.
True, Kidd is the weakest link, but he is damn good.
And Duncan or Garnet is better than Barkley, Shaq is the best center ever... Kobe, not MJ, but still as unpredictible.
I forgot who was in the small forward pos.
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I would have gone with a very strong defensive team, with players who could play with eachother (not a pun)
C- Shaq\\Ben Wallace (Shaq is the go to guy to run the offense through, and when you put Big Ben in off the bench, the other team has no chance of scoring in the lane or getting a rebound, he could also play at the PF spot)
PF- Garnett\\Duncan (both great offensive and defensive guys, they can rebound and pass to boot. Also, they can play seondary roles if needed and don\'t need the ball in their hands to be usefull)
SF- Shawn Marion\\Melo\\Ron Artest (went with 3 here, Marion and Artest can drain the 3 and play hellacious defense and Melo can add some offense, and add youthfull ecsuberance (sp))
SG- Kobe\\Tmac\\Rip Hamilton (added Rip to the equation as he can work his way into the game, and incase Kobe and Tmac were trying to take over the game by themselves, Rip could come in and get his shot in the flow of the game)
PG- Kidd\\Marbury\\Bibby (Kidd, the dude can\'t shoot, but the postion is about distributing the ball, and no one does it better. Starbury can pass and shoot, but can sometimes get a little ball hogish. And Bibby, while not as big of a star as those two, and can\'t think of many players more clutch than him.
And if they wouldn\'t play for the national team, I\'d deport them to Serbia.
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Originally posted by square_marker
I wish the USA team would just comprise a college all-star team and let them play. They wouldn\'t ever lose.
What do you think we did before NBA players were allowed? And yes, we did lose. Bronze in the 88 Olympics if I remember right.
Personally, I think it is all backwards. I would much rather no pros in basketball because people know the college players. Baseball is the game that should really have pros, but doesn\'t.
Originally posted by ViVi
We have too many inexperienced players playing for us, and yeah we could have a team that rivals the 92 dream team. Do you think any team could beat Shaq, Garnet, Duncan, Bryant, and Kidd?
The 92 team would demolish a team of today\'s all stars.
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^^
WORD...or Wizord if you prefer
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They\'re terrible. Absolutley awful.
Am I the only one that finds myself rooting against the USA team simply becuase I dislike 90% of the players on the team? Sorry, I just can\'t root for a team that has Allen Iverson on it.
Personally, would much rather see J.R. Reddick and Keith Langford in Greece playing for the United States rather than these money hungry, pampered ballhogs.
See Yuz.
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meh,..all sports just isn\'t the same anymore..there used to be a time when you associate the player with the team..there used to be such a thing as team loyalty..not anymore :(...when you thought of the knicks you thought of ewing & co..the bulls..jordan & pippen..the suns.. barkley..
now everybody is just chasin\' the almighty dollar...and does it really make any difference if you\'re gettin paid a few more million than last year? i mean if i was makin\' 20 mil..and went to another team for say 28 mil over some odd yrs...for loyalty sake i\'d stay with my team..you\'re still a millionare regardless right?...
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I was in disbelief watching it yesterday. The Italian team was throwing up threes like they were going out of style. Not just throwing them up but actually making them!! You could tell how comfortable they were with shooting beyond the arc. The USA\'s play was absolutely sloppy and horrid, they were running around with their heads cutt off. Fact is, the Italian team had much better fundamentals...sure we have guys that can do all these really cool tricked out moves and dunks but that didnt matter. Italy just played basketball the way it\'s meant to be played. The only guy on the USA team I respect is Tim Duncan..
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Just goes to show ya, 5 average guys playing as a team will beat 5 solo-superstar players who don\'t.
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Well, Germany has taken the lead and is outplaying USA. When will this fools learn a lesson and play basketball. No one can shoot in the NBA anymore. All they wanna do is dunk the ball and look flashy. Play some defense and learn how to shoot the ball like they did in the 80s. Worst basketball ever.... I hope USA gets taken to the floor everynight so it might just kick some sense into these overpaid morons.
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US won! :D
Crazy shot by AI won the game.
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Originally posted by ViVi
True, Kidd is the weakest link, but he is damn good.
And Duncan or Garnet is better than Barkley, Shaq is the best center ever... Kobe, not MJ, but still as unpredictible.
I forgot who was in the small forward pos.
Shaq is not the best center ever. Wilt is.
-Kidd isn\'t even close to Magic at PG.
-Kobe isn\'t even close to MJ, if you wanna put MJ at SG.
-Shaq at this point in his career as opposed to 3 years ago is barely better than Ewing in his prime, and Robinson is a MUCH better backup than someone like Wallace. If you look, at the better duo, it\'s by far the 92 team.
-At the forward spots, it\'s Duncan, Garnett, Artest, Marion, etc. against Bird, Barkley, Malone, Mullin, Pippen, etc. This is the closest one. Bird is prolly the best of all the players, but was past his prime at this point. I also like the ones for today because they do play D, are unselfish, and do play the game right, but the same could be said about the older ones. However, the big difference I see is no one on the modern team can shoot the lights out. Barkley is the best rebounder of the bunch, and Mullin and Bird are the best shooters.
Overall, yep :) Go 1992.
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Wilt only had that dominance because he played against short white people. If Wilt was in his prime playing today, it would be a very different story.
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Originally posted by ViVi
US won! :D
Crazy shot by AI won the game.
Not sure if this makes me unamerican or not, but I was pissed when AI hit that shot, as I was rooting for the Germans.
Go Serbia on Friday!
See Yuz.
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Dirk is playing for the Germans, my favorite player in the NBA...and get this, he actually has good fundamentals.:)
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USA basketball teh suck? USA basketball beat teh #1 ranked team.
And omen, Peja is asking to leave the Kings if you havent heard.
All these players asking for trades are pissing me off. Whats the purpose of signing a contract if you can demand a trade?
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They played alot better today but still started out real sloppy. Often at times the other team will have one guy that just runs through all of team USA and scores a bucket. They are having a difficult time stoping these little drives to the hoop.
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@ Vivi
Yeah, I heard this before he told the media. If they trade him, I\'m hoping for Artest, VC, AK47 or Marion those are about the only guys I\'d like to see come in. Though I don\'t think he\'ll be traded, the malofs want to keep him and he really isn\'t a stuborn, me first player, he can be swayed to stay.
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Looks like the top talk is Artest going to the Kings. As much as I love Peja, I think this would be best for both teams. Pacers need shooting, and we need defense and a hard scrappy player. With B Miller, Artest and Doug, we could be a pretty hard nosed team.
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It doesnt make sense to have just one defender like that when the whole team needs to defend better. And I think Peja is way better than Artest. And if the Pacers get Peja, that could get them a championship. Did u know they picked up Stephen Jackson?
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yeah I knew about Jackson. The prob with Peja is that his offense can be shut down, he\'s not a real scorer like a Tmac, Kobe or the likes. When someone plays hard nosed D on him, he backs down and can\'t score unless he has 2 screens set and no help defense. Artest is a consistent defender, and a decent offensive player. The Kings have lots of scorers, Mainly Bibby and Webber (Webber....ugh....) but Doug and Bjax are the only defenders. With Artest in there, the whole soft image of the Kings is gone, he could spark something in the players and maybe they could play some hardnosed basketball. He\'s an emotional intense player and that definetly is something Peja lacks.
Peja is a great player, much like Artest, but we have scoring but no D, Indy needs scoring so it seems like a mutually beneficial trade.
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when comparing them though, they are opposites. They are hard to compare, because what Artest does on the court can\'t be put into stats. None the less, usually a players merit is based on stats, and on the O side, Peja dominates Ron.
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I don\'t see how Peja dominates Ron...Artest scored 18ppg last year. Peja scored like 23ppg. I\'d rather have a guy that does all the little things and is intense on defense than a guy that demands trades because his best friend signed elsewhere. We got Stephen Jackson, if you combine Stephen Jackson\'s ability to hit big shots and his underrated defense with Artest who is starting to become much better on offense every year and his intense defense, its going to be hard to beat the Pacers. Why would you **** with something that got you 61 wins last year?
In my opinion the Pacers were just one block from making the NBA Finals, the infamous block by Tayshaun Prince that made Reggie Miller looked washed up. That block changed the entire momentum of that series and the Pacers never recovered. The injury to Jermaine O\'Neal also hurt, and the fact that the Pistons are a damn good team didn\'t hurt the Piston\'s cause either.
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The pistons didnt play the same intensity in the pacers series. And though the got Jackson, you cant forget they traded Harrington for him. And the pacers did pick up a needed center in the draft. Overall they had a good offseason, but I still think it will be the heat and pistons in the semifinals.
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here\'s the rumored trade;
Sac sends;
Peja
Bjax
Indy trades;
Artest
Bender
Croshere
Bjax wants to start and will leave for a new team when his contract is up. Bender is a possible great talent but has yet to show it. And Croshere has a monster contract. Pretty decent trade for both teams.
BTW, this comes from Mark Cuban so take it at that.
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If thats the deal sacremento is getting screwed.
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I don\'t think so, I\'m going to call Artest vs Peja even as they both have their high and low points, but fit the other team better than their current.
Bender & Croshere vs Bjax
Bobby is a great pg, but like said before once his contract is up he\'s gone. Also, he\'ll always be a back up on the kings. Bender will probably back up Artest, but has the ability to start and have Artest play the OG and Christie to come off the bench and cover the1/2. Croshere...decent bench player, but huge contract. Though, if BMiller is any example as to what can happen to a player in the Sacto system, Croshere might do really well off the bench.
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The Knicks got Jamal Crawford :D
*crickets*
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good pickup, and they got rid of that stiff Mutumbo (remembers the old days of a finger wagging, shot blocking, rebounding sumbitch who played for the Hawks)
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I didn\'t mind Mutumbo. He played well considering how little we were giving him. Jersey was still paying for about all of his contract. Either way though, the backcourt of Crawford, Houston, and Marbury sounds damn good to me.
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Going a little off topic here: Anyone want to see Shaq injury himself this year? Because he is the only NBA player I cannot stand at all.
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this is the latest news/rumor
Peja trade for Artest and James Jones
decent trade, though I like Bender and would like to get him.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Going a little off topic here: Anyone want to see Shaq injury himself this year? Because he is the only NBA player I cannot stand at all.
No, but I do wanna see Kobe convicted.
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anyone else hear that Lebron is now 6\'10? I saw a pic of him next to Duncan, and I\'ll be damned if he\'s not damn near the same height. Lebron at near 7\'...Scary
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Duncan ownz... better than Garnett
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Originally posted by shockwaves
No, but I do wanna see Kobe convicted.
I can settle for that ;)
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so what does everone think of the soon to be Brooklyn Nets? They\'re going to move over to Brooklyn and play in a shopping mall.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
No, but I do wanna see Kobe convicted.
Why? please tell me its more than just basketball
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Originally posted by shockwaves
No, but I do wanna see Kobe convicted.
Wish all you want. Ain\'t gonna happen. There is a better chance that Shockwaves will end up in jail before kobe;)
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Originally posted by theomen
so what does everone think of the soon to be Brooklyn Nets? They\'re going to move over to Brooklyn and play in a shopping mall.
I am not from newyork, but why should NJ move to brooklyn? I mean they actually think attendance will be better with the way the team has become. And the knicks will always be new yorks favorite team.
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it\'ll be another Mets/Yankees, Giants/jets, Lakers/Clippers situation, where one team will dominate the other for hometown bragging rights.
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Brooklyn Nets.
Heh.
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Because even as the reigning champs the Nets could never sell any tickets where they were. They had one of the lowest attendances in the league. You\'re damn right that will change in Brooklyn.
And as for Kobe, it\'s because every star always just buys his way out of this shit and I\'m sick of it. And I hate how he\'s been made into a hero because of how he\'s played through this. It\'s sick.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Because even as the reigning champs the Nets could never sell any tickets where they were. They had one of the lowest attendances in the league. You\'re damn right that will change in Brooklyn.
And as for Kobe, it\'s because every star always just buys his way out of this shit and I\'m sick of it. And I hate how he\'s been made into a hero because of how he\'s played through this. It\'s sick.
What if the man is innocent? Which he is bye the way. You have so much hate towards the man. Convicting him already. The man\'s entire life is all on the line. All because some girl is crying foul play. And she has gone and filed a civil suit which we all know that is what this case is all about;)
The bitch had 3 sets of sperm in her panities:stick:
This case is a joke
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I agree with Quddus. I hate Kobe but I dont want him to be locked in jail for something he hasnt done.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
What if the man is innocent? Which he is bye the way. You have so much hate towards the man. Convicting him already. The man\'s entire life is all on the line. All because some girl is crying foul play. And she has gone and filed a civil suit which we all know that is what this case is all about;)
The bitch had 3 sets of sperm in her panities:stick:
This case is a joke
i feel you qdog! this biatch was trickin\' with another cat hours after bangin\' kobe...& now she files a civil suit?...it\'s all about the money...i also feel tyson got screwed some years back with that hoe comin up to his hotel room 2:am in the morning talkin\' about he raped her.. biatch what else is goin\' on at 2:am in the morining? sheeit at that time ain\'t nothin\' open but legs & hotels!...i think tyson\'s lawyers just f**ked his case up completely on that one..
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1: I agree on the Kobe case. There is to much evidence pointing to here just wanting money.
2: Tyson, I disagree. The woman had bruises on her for cryin\' out loud. I am sure she went up there with intent of f**kin\' him. Hell, she probably did. Infact, my opinion is they done it and things got rough somewhere in it. Tyson isn\'t exactly the most mentally stable "cat" around, now is he?
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Tyson, I disagree. The woman had bruises on her for cryin\' out loud. I am sure she went up there with intent of f**kin\' him. Hell, she probably did. Infact, my opinion is they done it and things got rough somewhere in it. Tyson isn\'t exactly the most mentally stable "cat" around, now is he
Yeah I agree on tyson. Even though the dumb bitch should have known not be up in a mans room at 3:00am if your not going to put out. But the guy is a real nut job. Thats something I could believe someone with his mental state would do.
now tupac that guy got screwed rest his soul
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Even if Kobe is innocent, he still cheated on his wife, etc., and I just hate how the media is making him a hero despite all that. Besides, we don\'t know for sure that he is innocent, especially considering the trial hasn\'t started yet.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Tyson, I disagree. The woman had bruises on her for cryin\' out loud. I am sure she went up there with intent of f**kin\' him. Hell, she probably did. Infact, my opinion is they done it and things got rough somewhere in it. Tyson isn\'t exactly the most mentally stable "cat" around, now is he?
of course she had bruises on her! don\'t you know that the brothers are born with a weapon of mass destruction in their pants? *smacks LIC up the side of the head* :p j/k...yea on 2nd thought i agree with you & qdog..i believe they started doin the nasty & when tyson got rough she wanted him to stop...but he didn\'t,..then i guess it turns into rape,..and there\'s no denying mike has a few screws loose..*remembers tyson wiping the sweat off of lennox lewis face,..after gettin that ass whooped by him* :laughing:
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Damn.... I hope everyone in the NBA is happy.
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GO USA!!!
....that was disappointed sarcasm, getting our asses handed to us by Puerto Rico
EDIT
The game is already over....Spoiler
We lost 92-73
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Absolutly no chemistry at all. They should have just sent the Detroit Pistons instead of this so-called, \'Dream Team\'.
As for the Olympics in general so far... U.S.A. > *
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WTF first defeat since NBA players were allowed to play and they looked terrible???
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Some mod delete this thread Im a punk ass biatch and didnt notice a usa basketball thread allready...
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1) nothing lasts forever
2) being in the US doesnt automatically make them better at basketball
3) Our best players werent out there.
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I watched the game, and yeah, we were just out played, plain and simple. Carlos Arroyo played not only the game of his life, but one of the most amazing games I\'ve seen by a player in a long time considering the circumstances. Their zone defense took us out of our game, and our shots just never fell. We have no shooters on that team, and it kills us.
I honestly don\'t think this team medals.
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China is owning... 4 gold medals, 6 medals total.
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Puerto Rico played great. They thoroughly deserved the win.
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While I think the "Dream Team" is a joke - Puerto Rico shouldn\'t even have a team they are a US territory.
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Don\'t feel to bad guys... You\'ll probably still beat Australia.
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Is Luc Longley going to play, lol.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
While I think the "Dream Team" is a joke - Puerto Rico shouldn\'t even have a team they are a US territory.
Wrong Topic ;)
The Dream Team...ugh. Pathetic. Richard Jefferson has to be the sorriest excuse for a basketball player I\'ve ever seen. Sad, considering the fact that the day before the Puerto Rico game, he signed a 76 million dollar contract on a Leer Jet sent by the New Jersey Nets.
Watching this basketball team makes me remember why I despise what the NBA has become.
See Yuz.
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If you\'re going to change the topic of my thread, atleast use the correct form of BY!
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This picture is hilarious:
:laughing:
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Well the U.S. barely hangs on to get the win over Greece. This team really needs a big spark if they even want to think about getting a gold.
Best part is that a Laker, Lamar Odom, played the best on the entire squad :) .
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Suave.
/If this has been said already please accept my humblest apologies.
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*sigh*
We, the USA "Dream Team" beat Lowly Greece. By Six points.
Lamar Odom is playing the best out of anybody on the entire Olympic team...
...is anybody catching ANYTHING out of that? Christ, this team is AWFUL.
See Yuz.
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REALLY awful. The people who turned down being on the Dream Team would kill this team.
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I cant believe whats going on. We really blew it this time sending this group out there. Its not that they arent good enough, there just isnt enough experiance and there are no 3-point shooters.
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Puerto Rico
WTF
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i haven\'t seen any of the games, but the feelin\' i get from newscasters is that everybody wants to shine on the court,.with pretty moves & dunks with nobody playing any real teamplay...seems that they\'re a little arrogant too...not all of em\' just some of the cats from the younger set...
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Lost again...
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Originally posted by ViVi
Lost again...
yep i came in on the very end of it..those cats from lithuinia (spell) was dropping 3\'s like nothing toward the end there..this year\'s u.s. team just sucks ass completely...i know some cats from off the block that can probably play better than them...
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.... then why arent they in the NBA? These players dont suck, the team does.
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Originally posted by ViVi
.... then why arent they in the NBA? These players dont suck, the team does.
just because some players that i know didn\'t go to college or whatever doesn\'t mean that there isn\'t a chance that they can play better than these cats..yea ultimately these guys can play but that doesn\'t mean that somebody who is really good off the block can\'t defeat them...
and look at my post again viv..i said the u.s. team sucks...
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ah, I thought you meant by individual players.
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I know a few guys who would kill a lot of the pro\'s. Everyone doesn\'t have the same chances.
But anyways I am not going to dis usa as bad as others half. When most of the Know it alls in here couldn\'t play ball to save there ass. I mean out of all the guys that turned down the chance to represent the country these are the guys who said hey I want to play. Iverson was the first to say he would represent his country. So I am not going to rag all over these guys.
I don\'t know why everyone thinks usa is suppose to win all the time. We all know that other countries have great players. Look at the international players in the nba. Other countries have some top notch players. How long have those teams been playing together. When are guys where just thrown together. And sending college teams would be stupid they would get there asses handed to them.
LB is the man but where is the defense on team usa? You got some athletic guys on this team. Man that other team was just raining 3\'s.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I know a few guys who would kill a lot of the pro\'s. Everyone doesn\'t have the same chances.
No you don\'t
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I doubt it, because they arent playing against NBA calibur players.
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Originally posted by Bozco
No you don\'t
Judges rule...
It\'s being determined that Quddus got served.
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Give me a ****ing break. You think just because a guy isn\'t playing in the nba that he couldn\'t play against those guys? Shows you people know shit. My boy D should be playin in the nba right now. Everyone tells him that. He got game out of this world. He just had so many other things happen in life he just never got the chance.
And there are many other guys who should be the pro\'s that are not.
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Originally posted by Bozco
No you don\'t
a tenchu fanboy shouldn\'t have shit to say when it comes to playing ball.
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Checks to see if that has any relevance.....
nope, try again.
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Quddus you cant argue for shit :laughing:
You say hes got game? Maybe on one-on-one, but thats not the NBA and thats not even basketball, basketball is a team sport. Anyway, you\'re telling me, you know someone that can play in the NBA when hes not playing against any NBA players and just doesnt have the time to take a chance at following their dreams and making millions?
:laughing:
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i stand by what i say also & agree with qdog..it\'s very possible that a guy from off the block who has some skillz on the court can come off with a win against a pro in the nba...just because they\'re in the nba does not make them invincible...
it goes both ways really as some of those cats that gone from high school to nba really do perform well..kobe & a couple others..but then there are those that went straight from high school and have not shown up at all...point is like i said,..it possible for somebody from off the block to come in and get a win on these cats, in a game of one on one...
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Yeah, but they dont play one-on-one in the NBA. If they did, they couldnt beat Kobe, AI, or Garnett.
And you\'re agreeing with someone who thinks that since someone loves tenchu they lose all credibility...
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Originally posted by ViVi
Yeah, but they dont play one-on-one in the NBA. If they did, they couldnt beat Kobe, AI, or Garnett.
And you\'re agreeing with someone who thinks that since someone loves tenchu they lose all credibility...
well that\'s how he feels about bozco! :p but i agree with him on other points why is it so hard to believe an individual from off the street can beat a nba superstar? where do you think most of them started out? at a basketball school? :laughing: yea think about it, most of them statred in those run down ghetto playgrounds...
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Originally posted by clips
i stand by what i say also & agree with qdog..it\'s very possible that a guy from off the block who has some skillz on the court can come off with a win against a pro in the nba...just because they\'re in the nba does not make them invincible...
it goes both ways really as some of those cats that gone from high school to nba really do perform well..kobe & a couple others..but then there are those that went straight from high school and have not shown up at all...point is like i said,..it possible for somebody from off the block to come in and get a win on these cats, in a game of one on one...
White people just don\'t understand there are a lot of cats off the block that could take on many of these pro\'s. More and more I see that blacks and white live in two seperate worlds. I mean sure it\'s easy to say that someone who has the game of an nba player should just be there. You have to understand Vivi people go through a lot. It would be nice if everything in life was simple and everyone got to live out there dream.
It\'s not that simple. A lot of these nba cats go to rucker park and get owned by doods right off the block.
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But then they played on the highschool basketball team, slaughtered people. Went to college, played well, then went to the NBA. Just doesnt make sense to me. Why would someone be so good at it to be pro and just not try. And if they did try, there was a reason they didnt make the NBA.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Yeah, but they dont play one-on-one in the NBA. If they did, they couldnt beat Kobe, AI, or Garnett.
And you\'re agreeing with someone who thinks that since someone loves tenchu they lose all credibility...
I was joking about the tenchu thing. But I doubt the kid knows anything about playing ball. He can lie all he wants though.
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Originally posted by ViVi
But then they played on the highschool basketball team, slaughtered people. Went to college, played well, then went to the NBA. Just doesnt make sense to me. Why would someone be so good at it to be pro and just not try. And if they did try, there was a reason they didnt make the NBA.
It\'s not about not trying. A lot kids in the innercity just don\'t have the same chances as others. Thats why you see a lot of these black kids leave there school to go play for these privates schools and predominately white schools. Because there they have a better chance of getting scouted and making it a division 1 school.
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Originally posted by ViVi
But then they played on the highschool basketball team, slaughtered people. Went to college, played well, then went to the NBA. Just doesnt make sense to me. Why would someone be so good at it to be pro and just not try. And if they did try, there was a reason they didnt make the NBA.
well there\'s always reasons..i mean i don\'t know the reason why qdogs boy didn\'t make it...alot can happen in a person\'s life..not makin\' excuses just sayin..and trust there are alot of good caliber college students that don\'t make it in the nba.. for a number of reasons..i say that to make a point that even tho a person can have mad skillz,.. whoever is scouting them (the powers that be) might think otherwise,..alot of factors go into seeing a superstar be born in the nba or any sport for that matter..alot of it lately comes from hype....
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... dammit QuDDus
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Originally posted by QuDDus
White people just don\'t understand there are a lot of cats off the block that could take on many of these pro\'s.
And he throws in the race card.....I could understand how maybe one guy you know could compete. No denying that there is a lot of unkown talent. It\'s true also that he might not have a had a chance to try to go pro, but why in the hell does it matter that bozco is white? It doesn\'t make any sense. You\'ve grouped every white person into one category in a matter of seconds and it\'s ridiculous.
White people don\'t understand my ass, you are quite possibly the most ignorant member on these forums. Just in case you are wondering, this isn\'t the only post where I see the flagrat use of the race card. I\'m just in a pissed off mood and felt like pointing it out. /end rant
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I agree Phil, which is why Im going to put him on ignore.
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Originally posted by Phil
And he throws in the race card.....I could understand how maybe one guy you know could compete. No denying that there is a lot of unkown talent. It\'s true also that he might not have a had a chance to try to go pro, but why in the hell does it matter that bozco is white? It doesn\'t make any sense. You\'ve grouped every white person into one category in a matter of seconds and it\'s ridiculous.
White people don\'t understand my ass, you are quite possibly the most ignorant member on these forums. Just in case you are wondering, this isn\'t the only post where I see the flagrat use of the race card. I\'m just in a pissed off mood and felt like pointing it out. /end rant
all due respect phil i don\'t think he meant that white comment in an offensive way..just in general..it\'s tru qdog have used race in his posts but it was relevant to what was being mentioned in the thread...i don\'t think it mattered whether boz is white or not..i think he made a statement that since he likes tenchu he has no say on the matter..in which case he stated he was joking...i think you\'re lookin\' a little too deep on this one...
i know you\'re talkin about the comments he made in current events and i can see how to some degree he might\'ve gotten some people amped..particularliy white people..he just has strong views when it comes to race...
just had to add..i\'m not defending him or anything,. i\'m lookin at my statement and one might think i\'m his biatch or something:p i just wanted to make clear that the white comment was not said in bad taste...
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So he was joking that white people don\'t understand? I don\'t get the logic on that one. Not with his previous comments in other threads. As offensive as some of his previous comments? Probably not, but it still shows ignorance on his part.
His tenchu statement was totally unrelated, and yes it was a joke. I know this. Just not a good one :p
It\'s all good though, if he can be as heated in his debate about racism that white people exhibit. I think he should be able to take a little heat back. I hope he can at least respect that.
Edit: Clips, no harm no foul. Although lately you have looked like "qdogs" biatch :p
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Originally posted by Phil
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Edit: Clips, no harm no foul. Although lately you have looked like "qdogs" biatch :p [/B]
aw hell :( i was hoping you wasn\'t going to sat that! f**k you phil! :p
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let\'s face it, most people wit NBA level talent are inthe NBA. Look at the And 1 squad, they go around city to city beating up on the best of the local comp, but only one And 1 street baller has made it to the NBA, Alston. In the NBA he\'s a low level starter or solid backup....yet, on the streets he was the greatest ever, as Skip to my Lou.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
a tenchu fanboy shouldn\'t have shit to say when it comes to playing ball.
I am more of an athlete than you could ever wish to be. But hey, black people know their basketball.
:rolleyes:
I hope you realize how stupid you sound Quddus.
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Quddus, clips, and Mystic all seem to be riding the bullshit express train lately. Bozco original statement still stands correct, Quddus doesn\'t know anyone would could play in the NBA. It appears he has yet to grow out of the stage where someone will fabricate lies in order to tell an interesting story. He\'s a sad individual and with each passing ridiculous comment he losses more credibility, although those who have been here since he started posting will assure you he never had any to begin with.
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I had sex with Brittney Spears....damn I\'m cool
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Quddus, clips, and Mystic all seem to be riding the bullshit express train lately. Bozco original statement still stands correct, Quddus doesn\'t know anyone would could play in the NBA. It appears he has yet to grow out of the stage where someone will fabricate lies in order to tell an interesting story. He\'s a sad individual and with each passing ridiculous comment he losses more credibility, although those who have been here since he started posting will assure you he never had any to begin with.
Credibility on a playstation message board. Get a life boy:rolleyes:
I guess boz missed the entire I was joking with him post oh well.
phil I wasn\'t trying to group all white people into one ball. But there is no denying that there are a lot of things that go on in the black community that white people may not understand. Just like there are a lot of things that go on in white communities that black people may not understand.
But someone like vivi who probably has never stayed outside his gated community may not understand there a lot of talented black males out there who have never got chance. Thats all I was trying to say. I wasn\'t trying to pull a trump race card. Totally miss understood.
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I missed the joke because you\'re just trying to save face now. Or maybe you were joking, I don\'t know for sure. Not like it matters
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Ah, another thread where Quddus singlehandedly starts an argument with his ignorant comments.
Has anybody else seen how many times he\'s started an argument on these forums? It\'s getting ridiculous. An argument with Quddus, quite frankly, is an argument with a brick wall. You can\'t win, and if you do try to argue with him and counter his "facts", then he just tells you that you\'re lying. Fantastic.
Boz, the best course of action would be to get out now before your IQ goes down by 10 or 15 points.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Ah, another thread where Quddus singlehandedly starts an argument with his ignorant comments.
Has anybody else seen how many times he\'s started an argument on these forums? It\'s getting ridiculous. An argument with Quddus, quite frankly, is an argument with a brick wall. You can\'t win, and if you do try to argue with him and counter his "facts", then he just tells you that you\'re lying. Fantastic.
Boz, the best course of action would be to get out now before your IQ goes down by 10 or 15 points.
See Yuz.
First of all I wasn\'t even arguing with boz. He made a comment. So I decided to poke fun at his tenchu thing. That good enough for ya?
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Did someone say race??? ;)
Oh wait it was Quddus - I should have known. ;)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
First of all I wasn\'t even arguing with boz. He made a comment. So I decided to poke fun at his tenchu thing. That good enough for ya?
Was it a joke or were you poking fun?
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Originally posted by QuDDus
But someone like vivi who probably has never stayed outside his gated community may not understand there a lot of talented black males out there who have never got chance. Thats all I was trying to say. I wasn\'t trying to pull a trump race card. Totally miss understood.
There you go again judging based on nothing. How would you know I live like that?
Quddus: you are not worth bothering to argue with. Im not going to label you like you do everyone else because I dont know you. And I hope I can fight my curiosity and not look at your posts because half the time you say stupid bullshit and piss me off.
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when did Bobby Newton join the forums?
(if you don\'t know who I\'m talking about, then learn your black history)
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Originally posted by theomen
let\'s face it, most people wit NBA level talent are inthe NBA. Look at the And 1 squad, they go around city to city beating up on the best of the local comp, but only one And 1 street baller has made it to the NBA, Alston. In the NBA he\'s a low level starter or solid backup....yet, on the streets he was the greatest ever, as Skip to my Lou.
That\'s true. Most of them are. Still there are people(white and black) who are better than a lot of NBA players.
I\'m not saying that they would give KG a run for his money just that if given the chance they could probably make a couple different NBA rosters. Many of them showed signs of brilliance in High School but didn\'t apply themselves academically and either dropped out or didn\'t get the grades to prove themselves in college. There are many ways to get to the NBA its just that a lot of talented people are too apathetic/lazy to make that jump.
Really no one else should be blamed besides themselves.
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Originally posted by theomen
when did Bobby Newton join the forums?
(if you don\'t know who I\'m talking about, then learn your black history)
I searched it on yahoo and found nothing.
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don\'t use yahoo, yahoo is for queers.
Oops, my bad, I combined Bobby Seale and Huey Newton.
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Tomorrow, 14:30 Greece Time (GMT +3), Spain - USA...
Bye bye, USA.
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Wouldn\'t be surprised.
Horray for the Spaniards!
See Yuz.
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Wow USA won it!
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Yay
Spain sucks.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Yay
Spain sucks.
The ones who suck are the referees. Pathetic.
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
The ones who suck are the referees. Pathetic.
:rolleyes:
And how long have you been watching basketball?
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The USA has had the calls go against them the entire olympics, and you more than doubled us up on free throws, so don\'t give me any it was the refs bullshit.
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Watched the game before I went to my Physics Recitation, and in the 3rd quarter, surprising enough, Stephon Marbury actually showed that he\'s worthy of being on the team with his great play. Was relatively unselfish, and the ball movement by USA was relatively amazing in the 2nd half. Marbury\'s SIXTH 3 point shot was set up by a great pass from Duncan after he got it inside, it was real good stuff.
Then again, I was rooting for Spain, and was saddened that they didn\'t get that International Rules 6 point play :rolleyes:
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
:rolleyes:
And how long have you been watching basketball?
Long enough to notice referees didnt play fair. Of course they were USA and had to pass.
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Greatest excusess for losers = Refs suck
that goes for just about any sport doesn\'t it?
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
Long enough to notice referees didnt play fair. Of course they were USA and had to pass.
They weren\'t fair on either side. Don\'t start giving us that crap.
NOTHING was called on either team in the 4th quarter. Period. The Refs were sided more towards Spain in my opinion -- Never have I seen a player shoot a 3 pointer and make it, even though a moving screen was called before the shot was put up -- so they count the basket and give the ball back to the team that made the shot. They even changed the ruling on the call so that would happen.
Don\'t act like the USA completley screwed Spain here -- if Spain could have made a critical basket at any point in the 2nd half, they could\'ve taken the momentum and won, or hell, maybe they could have even TRIED to guard Stephon Marbury. SIX 3\'s? Seriously? You lost. Shut up. You\'re not undefeated anymore, boo-freaking-hoo.
See Yuz.
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You put enough NBA players out there and sometime they\'re bound to pound the shit of any other team. Spain was on the receiving end of NBA stars playing together decently, nothing any international team can do to prevent that.
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Adan you don\'t know what you\'re talking about. Why would they refs (according to you) go for the Americans, the most hated country in the world? Why would they go for a team that has always dominated the sport? So far Ive seen tons of ghost fouls on Duncan, seeming to take him out of the game. And Jumpman is right, perhaps the reason US won today is because they are more of a team they were before. I mean they\'ve only been playing for about a month together.
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Playing for Bronze now.
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Smoked by Argentina. When it got down to it, the US couldn\'t the Argentinians from making a basket at a crucial point to start a rally to get going, and the US couldn\'t hit a shot period.
In the 4th, when the US actually looked relatively alive, they couldn\'t stop the Argentine Role Players from makin\' the baskets to stop the charge. A pity, really.
See Yuz.
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Well I am not going to pound all over the USA team. The guys tried. Just where not the better team. These guys actually went out there and they did not have to go. A lot of people have been talking shit about these guys. I told my uncle you can\'t play have a shit. To be dising our guys. Damn out of all the guys that said **** usa these guys gladly went. I wish people would quit bitchin.
Just got outplayed. I could not have represented my country any better so I won\'t dis the guys.
The nba throws these guys together and just expects them to win. While the other teams have been togther playing with eachother for who knows how long.
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Im not too upset. Afterall, Ginobli (who signed a 7 year contract with the spurs) played well and I hope he can bring that to the spurs this year.
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Bring back the college kids.
Or do it \'98 world championship style.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Bring back the college kids.
Or do it \'98 world championship style.
What an awful idea. The best players they can send play professional ball in the nba. There is no other league of better players.
The NBA has to do a better job of getting guys to want to play for team USA.
And if you can\'t get the top talent in the nba then choose a more rounded group of guys.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
What an awful idea. The best players they can send play professional ball in the nba. There is no other league of better players.
The NBA has to do a better job of getting guys to want to play for team USA.
And if you can\'t get the top talent in the nba then choose a more rounded group of guys.
Totally wrong. The problem isn\'t the talent at all. The problem is the time spent together and how we gelled as a team. I would much much rather watch a group of college kids play as a team than a group of NBA players play like they did this year. These olympics proved individual talent isn\'t what matters, it\'s team play and tough D. The NBA players come in and don\'t play as hard as the kids. I hate watching it.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Totally wrong. The problem isn\'t the talent at all. The problem is the time spent together and how we gelled as a team. I would much much rather watch a group of college kids play as a team than a group of NBA players play like they did this year. These olympics proved individual talent isn\'t what matters, it\'s team play and tough D. The NBA players come in and don\'t play as hard as the kids. I hate watching it.
You put the the top 12 guys in the nba on the dream team and I guarantee they will win. Or a better roster. How about getting Oneal and artest off the pacer. Where is baron davis? Ray allen, Michael Redd, Paul pierce, Ben Wallace. I mean come on guy.
This year there was really nobody on this team that could shoot the ball. Larry brown did not play the 4 rookies he had on the team hardly at all. So I see no reason to even have them on the team. Amare Stoudemire and boozer are not defensive power houses so Duncan was left to do all the work. They did not guard the perimeter good. Horrible off the pick and role. I mean to say they didn\'t play hard is just rather odd. And not diserving for this team.
They played the best they could considering the mesh of guys.
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But the whole point is you\'re never gonna get the top 12 guys in the NBA again. As for your where is statement, some of those guys WERE invited and rejected the invite. Ray Allen was. Jermaine O\'Neal was.
Then you have Paul Pierce and Baron Davis. If you wanna know why they aren\'t on the team, look no further than the 2002 world championships. They were on the team, and they were completely wrong for it. Ben Wallace was on that team too I think.
The problem with this team isn\'t that there isn\'t enough talent on it, it\'s that there is too much talent on it. Everyone on this team is used to being the star. People don\'t know how to lean on others cause they never have had to. They don\'t know how to play low minutes for the same reason. You keep Duncan, Iverson, Wade. You don\'t keep so many people with the same game. LeBron or Carmelo, not both. Marion or Jefferson, not both. You leave off Marbury, not the right sorta point at all.
As for who you do invite, you invite people who know how to pass, people who can hit outside shots, people who can play D, and people who play with energy. Specialists. Michael Redd for sure. I\'d invite defensive specialists. Ron Artest, even like Tayshawn Prince. Put him on their best scorer. He\'ll provide D, he\'ll provide energy. Put on some people who know how to be role players. That\'s what we need. Blah, the current team makes me sick.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
But the whole point is you\'re never gonna get the top 12 guys in the NBA again. As for your where is statement, some of those guys WERE invited and rejected the invite. Ray Allen was. Jermaine O\'Neal was.
Then you have Paul Pierce and Baron Davis. If you wanna know why they aren\'t on the team, look no further than the 2002 world championships. They were on the team, and they were completely wrong for it. Ben Wallace was on that team too I think.
The problem with this team isn\'t that there isn\'t enough talent on it, it\'s that there is too much talent on it. Everyone on this team is used to being the star. People don\'t know how to lean on others cause they never have had to. They don\'t know how to play low minutes for the same reason. You keep Duncan, Iverson, Wade. You don\'t keep so many people with the same game. LeBron or Carmelo, not both. Marion or Jefferson, not both. You leave off Marbury, not the right sorta point at all.
As for who you do invite, you invite people who know how to pass, people who can hit outside shots, people who can play D, and people who play with energy. Specialists. Michael Redd for sure. I\'d invite defensive specialists. Ron Artest, even like Tayshawn Prince. Put him on their best scorer. He\'ll provide D, he\'ll provide energy. Put on some people who know how to be role players. That\'s what we need. Blah, the current team makes me sick.
I see yeah your right
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I was thinking that we should have sent the NBA champs to the olympics, but I started to think. What if the Spurs won? Parker is from France, Ginobli is from Argintina, Turkoglu from Turkey, and Nesterovic from Slovenia. Same goes for teams like the Mavs and Kings. I think we should continue with the NBA teams, but actually put more thought into it, and actually have some top players step up. Like Shaq Kidd and KG.
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Originally posted by ViVi
I was thinking that we should have sent the NBA champs to the olympics, but I started to think. What if the Spurs won? Parker is from France, Ginobli is from Argintina, Turkoglu from Turkey, and Nesterovic from Slovenia. Same goes for teams like the Mavs and Kings. I think we should continue with the NBA teams, but actually put more thought into it, and actually have some top players step up. Like Shaq Kidd and KG.
That would be a good idea but you can\'t force the champs to go. What if the top the guys on the roster don\'t wanna play?
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Shoot them. Shoot them good.
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The funny thing is if Kobe doesn\'t cheat on his wife in Colorado, we prolly aren\'t having this conversation. He would be on the team, and things might have been different, since he is a much better outside shooter.
Still though, I think that the first thing you have to change about the US olympic team is the people who select it.
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What are you talking about? What we needed was a team this year, and you could just garuntee the opposite of that with Kobe.
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A probably isn\'t a guarantee. However, Kobe is a better outside shooter than we had and he would have helped. Had he played, perhaps others do too. I\'m not saying it would have changed the team\'s problems, but they might have over come them, and the clear need to retool how we do the USA team might have been delayed an olympics.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
A probably isn\'t a guarantee. However, Kobe is a better outside shooter than we had and he would have helped. Had he played, perhaps others do too. I\'m not saying it would have changed the team\'s problems, but they might have over come them, and the clear need to retool how we do the USA team might have been delayed an olympics.
Yes I will agree with kobe on the team it would have help them so much. Man probably would be going for gold right now.
YES kobe is the man
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Did you guys forget his "heroics" in the finals? Game 3 was hilarious.
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I am all for team USA but I am kind of glad we lost. When they showed all those people cheering back home for Argentina I kind of felt like they diserved it. They said this was argentina\'s first medal and they got in the one of the worlds most popular sports.
This will help to bring even more international guys into the NBA. And seeing how overseas they play either basketball or soccer I you have to expect that there will be some dominate international teams. I don\'t think the college kids could have one. Probably would have gone out along time ago.
I think this is great. USA does not have to win all the time. They still got a medal not may have been gold but you win some and lose some.
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Check out this Brazilian marathon runner that got sabatoged by a crazy Irish.
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What a :ghey:
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The big guy with the silver hair should have smacked him one.
The protester is the same one that disrupted the british grand prix last year appartently.
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That guy is soooo ghey