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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on August 31, 2004, 09:08:49 AM
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Do you think its right for a movie to give an objective view of Hitler, not just the perverse, sick monster all movies make him out to be?
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From MovieboX - http://www.moviebox.se/releaser/releaser.asp?relID=266 .. Written by MovieboX, translated by me (so you know where to bitch if something is wrong :p ).
In Der Untergang (The Fall) we follow the life in the Führerbunker during the third Reich’s last twelve days when the red army attacks Berlin in April 1945, with 1 500 tanks and nearly a half a million soldiers.
The movie describes the depression which Hitler and the Nazi leaders had, which grew worse in time with the Red Army closing in on the Reichstag, where the Führerbunker was hidden eight meters under ground. But Der Untergang also shows the suffering of the civilian population and how young boys are sent out in the Volksturm to fight for a already lost cause.
Der Untergang is the first movie which from a objective and humane perspective describes the fall of the Third Reich. According to the London Daily Telegraph we will see Hitler in tears as he writes “The war is over”. He even shows tenderness to his woman assistants and love towards his dog.
The movie which premiered in Germany on the 16th September has already aroused a debate whether its appropriate to humanize Hitler or not.
The director and producer, Bern Eichinger, says that the time is right for such a movie: “Many people believe you should not be allowed to produce Hitler, you are not allowed to give such a human an forum. But that’s stupid. We should not duck for our own history.” Eichinger says.
He points out though how important it for just this story to be told by the Germans themselves: “If you point the searchlight for the strongest imaginable physical and mental breakdown, our own nations, it must be possible for ourselves to tell this story.”
Even Bruno Ganz, which plays the main role of Hitler – he has received an unbelievable amount of praise from the critics for his realistic portray of the dictator – says the movie is important. “Der Untergang is about perpetrators and criminals. I think this country is strong enough to manage the movie”, he says to the German newspaper Bildzeitung.
Der Untergang is based on the book “Until the Final Hour: Hitler\'s Last Secretary” which was published by Hitlers secretary, Traudl Junge, right before she died. She was in the bunker during the last days of the war and was the only woman which professionally stood the closest to Hitler. She was one of the few from Hitlers staff who managed to break through the Red Army and flee from the capital.
Even Joachim C. Fests, essay with the same title as the movie, has been used as a source in the filmatisation. The movie has cost 16 million dollars to film, which makes it one of the most expensive productions in Germany ever.
Homepage of the movie (in German), you can check out the trailer there: http://www.untergang.film.de/, click on "Seite öffnen".
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If they don\'t show him drowning puppies and eating the hearts\' of babies then this movie is absolute bullshit.
Seriously though. I would be interested in seeing this movie.
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Looks interesting. Best persuader of all time.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Looks interesting. Best persuader of all time.
I hate to agree, but it is true. He was a true leader in the sense that he made Germany believe that they could conquer the world. He was a demented man, but he had what it took to lead a country. Maybe the two go hand in hand.
-shrugs-
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Ever hear that Hitlers grand father was Jewish and it drove him mad? When his mother died, that\'s what drove him over the edge and into madness. He adored his mother and women but always seemed kind of cold towards them (like keeping his mistress inside and not letting her out). He\'s an evil man with an interesting life. I saw a History Channel special on him and Stalin.
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He also like to be peed on by his 14 yr-old cousin...
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It should be out now.. Anyone seen it yet (Downfall in English)?
I saw it late last night, 2 ½ hours long! But I liked it a lot, nice to see a more personal Hitler, but he was quite sick in the last few hours. Awesome acting by Bruno Ganz (Hitler) and some of the others. The first historical movie about Hitler?
Hitler The Rise of Evil was pure shit.
Sorry for bumping an old thread.
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You\'re not allowed to bump old threads. I did once and LIC locked it. You\'re in big trouble, MISTER! :D
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Solly.. BUT I did save a few kilobytes of the sever storage. I was only thinking of what would be best for the forum. ;)
This section of the forum seems pretty dead now anyways so I hope Master LIC wont mind.
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I applaude whoever decided to make this movie guy must have guts, while nazis were bad people true they get painted as the ultimate evil of all time...the thing is they had motivations for doing this, went too far though.
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I saw this film yesterday. I must say that I don\'t understand the comments made in the review above, suggesting that this film depicts a more "human" Hitler. To me there is nothing at all of a revisionist nature in this film. The Hitler depicted here is exactly the way I understood him from the books I\'ve read, and I think this follows the generally accepted theories about his personality and his motivations. There is nothing really new or surprising here. He is not somehow more human in this film, unless you always believed he was a cartoon character prior to this.
If you\'ve read anything about him, you already knew that he was caring and appreciative to certain people in his life (and his dog), but utterly ruthless and brutal with others, including those he accused of betraying him. He was always teetering on the edge of insanity, and that\'s the way he was depicted here. The scenes in the last 1/3 of the film, where he\'s enthusiastically telling his subordinates about how Berlin would be rescued by armies which did not exist seemed especially familiar to me. I remember reading about things like that in Albert Speer\'s book.
Beyond that, I would say it was a worthwhile picture. It was very well acted, and photographed, and as a history student, it\'s interesting to see one version of those final hours on the last day played out dramatically. No one really knows exactly how Hitler and Goebbels went out, because there were no witnesses from the bunker at that point in time. I think the burning of the corpses is somewhat theoretical too, but that\'s generally accepted by most. The Russians found burned bodies, but couldn\'t identify them, if I remember correctly.
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I have Hitler\'s penis in a jar.
But seriously, I\'m gonna catch this in the cinema one of these days. It\'s gotten great reviews.
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To me there is nothing at all of a revisionist nature in this film.
If you compare this film to the other Hitler films it is.
Hitler The Rise of Evil portrays Hitler as totally psycho even when he was young.
But I agree with you, if you have read some decent books about him this movie does not give a much different picture. It’s a first for a movie though.
The Russians found burned bodies, but couldn\'t identify them, if I remember correctly.
IIRC they have been able to match a few teeth, they have also compared the DNA from the jaw bone (or was it part of the scull?) to other living people related to Hitler.. It was a match.
But seriously, I\'m gonna catch this in the cinema one of these days. It\'s gotten great reviews.
Do it!
I’ll be getting the DVD. The Germans are pretty good at making films based on WW2, Im going to borrow the 6 hour version of Das Boot which has come out on DVD (finally the complete version!).
I also recommend Stalingrad (made by the same director who made Das Boot I think), great movie with an sad but accurate ending.
The Thin Red Line is also a great, great movie, showing the Pacific battles,