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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on August 31, 2004, 12:08:31 PM
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as you all know bush stated at the rnc that the war can\'t be won,..now he\'s turned around and stated that it can..
http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTB1M2EzYWFoBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaWUtYmV0YQ--/s/209709
truth is,..is that the war cannot be won..that\'s reality and that\'s what he sholud\'ve stuck with..he only changed it because the dems stated..something to the degree of "see the republicans are are already admitting the war can\'t be won" :rolleyes: ugh..i swear i need to be the head of the democratic party...that is such a weak argument...i would not have even entertained that notion...
politics at it\'s best...bush says something the first time around being the war on terror can\'t be won (which is true) and the dems know this and yet pursue to make a spectacle of it..i\'m not defending bush either..he should\'ve stood his ground on what he said. it\'s reality you cannot win the war on terror...
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Eh, that is one flip flop vs. the myriad of flip flops that Kerry has done :)
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Just one?
He\'s basing his entire campaign on him being this great leader compared to Kerry, and is using the "War on Terror" as his clutch in showing this. Now he says his "War on Terror" can\'t be won? That\'s one HELL of a \'flip flop\' as some would call it.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by Titan
Eh, that is one flip flop vs. the myriad of flip flops that Kerry has done :)
Look it up and you would see that it is WAY more than one.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Look it up and you would see that it is WAY more than one.
I\'m too lazy :(
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Quick Google Search Reveals (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263)
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Most politicians flip-flop, but the republicans have it right when they say that Bush sticks with his core ideas more.
Kerry just doesn\'t make any sense with a lot of the stuff he says. But i still want him to win because Bush is against gay marriages.
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Oh please - most of those aren\'t flip flops at all - merely changes in policy which is not uncommon for any administration. Quite a few of those come years apart. :rolleyes: Kerry on the other hand flip flops on issues to either please the far left of the Democratic Party or the moderate to right leaning Democrats.
Also your laughable website proclaims itself to be non partisan yet states in the next paragraph:
• responding effectively and rapidly to conservative proposals and rhetoric with a thoughtful critique and clear alternatives, and
• communicating progressive messages to the American public.
This website can\'t even make up its mind if it wants to be non partisan or liberal - though by looking at its content it is hardly non partisan.
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Partisan means party.
There is no Conservitive Party, nor is there a liberal party.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Partisan means party.
There is no Conservitive Party, nor is there a liberal party.
ROFL
I don\'t know which is more funny...
You trying to explain what partisan means to me :laughing:
or
There is no conservative party. :laughing:
or
There is no liberal party. :laughing:
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I think what he might mean is that there is no party that is truely conservative nor liberal...but that\'s not true either.
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He is so wrong - either way it was an amusing post. :laughing:
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A Partisan is a weapon in Phantasy Star Online, wielded by Hunters only...
:nut:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Oh please - most of those aren\'t flip flops at all - merely changes in policy which is not uncommon for any administration. Quite a few of those come years apart. :rolleyes:
Jesus H. Christ. It is the SAME FUCKING THING. Kerry is called a flip flopper for changes in policy that come YEARS APART. How is this any different?
IT. IS. NOT.
My God.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Also your laughable website proclaims itself to be non partisan yet states in the next paragraph:
• responding effectively and rapidly to conservative proposals and rhetoric with a thoughtful critique and clear alternatives, and
• communicating progressive messages to the American public.
This website can\'t even make up its mind if it wants to be non partisan or liberal - though by looking at its content it is hardly non partisan.
Yes because ALL of the websites that call Kerry a flip flopper are non partisan bastions of freedom. :rolleyes:
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Funny... the mainstream press refers to Kerry\'s flip flopping as well. The man does not take a solid stand on anything. On the other hand Bush does take stand\'s on issues and follows through with them. He doesn\'t try and let other countries dictate our foreign policy, which is exactly what spineless Kerry will do.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
ROFL
I don\'t know which is more funny...
You trying to explain what partisan means to me :laughing:
or
There is no conservative party. :laughing:
or
There is no liberal party. :laughing:
I don\'t understand your point in criticizing Hamster\'s post. He was right. By my standards, the democratic party is not a "liberal" party. By someone else\'s standards, the Republican party may not be a "conservative" party. Those are relative terms.
Declaring yourself for an ideology is not the same as declaring yourself for a party. And that is what partisan means.
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Wrong Core - Democrats are traditionally a liberal party and the Republicans are conservative. The "people" you refer to are a very small percentage of the entire population who view both parties as not being either not liberal enough or not conservative enough - those are communist parties and your national socialist parties.
My post is very valid if you look at conservative and liberal politics in the United States.
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So I\'m a communist? :p I\'m afraid not.
The number of people who disagree with those simple labels is much greater than you think. Don\'t you think there are many Republicans who think Schwartzeneggar is "liberal" because of his views on social issues? The terms are relative, and they change over time.
Like I said, Ideology >< Party affiliation.
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Where are your facts Core? The majority of Americans view the Democrats as liberal and the Republicans as conservative. There is no denying that. If the numbers were so "great" as you claim, neither party would exist.
I don\'t think you are a communist, but I do believe you are a socialist at heart.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
So I\'m a communist? :p I\'m afraid not.
The number of people who disagree with those simple labels is much greater than you think. Don\'t you think there are many Republicans who think Schwartzeneggar is "liberal" because of his views on social issues? The terms are relative, and they change over time.
Like I said, Ideology >< Party affiliation.
Then I guess you can say I\'m liberal because I believe in stem cell research and gay rights. That does not make me liberal, it just makes me more moderate right. I\'m still conservative but I\'m not radical right. I still believe much of what the republican party believes in and like Arnie, believes in a couple policies that don\'t go with the right side of things. A lot of republicans and democrats are like that. It depends on the politician.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Where are your facts Core? The majority of Americans view the Democrats as liberal and the Republicans as conservative. There is no denying that. If the numbers were so "great" as you claim, neither party would exist.
Here\'s a fact:
Miller to Boost Bush at GOP Convention (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040901/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_zell_miller_2)
Ideology >< Party affiliation
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Thats one exception to the trend. I still say that the vast majority of Americans view Republicans as conservatives and view Democrats as liberals.
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What I\'m getting at is that it\'s possible to be progressive and not be a supporter of the Democratic party... or any party. Therefore not partisan. I know things may be different in your state, but here in California it\'s easy to find people who are extremely progressive (or "liberal" to use your favorite word for it) and hate the Democratic party.
I don\'t know why that\'s hard to accept.
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Originally posted by Titan
Then I guess you can say I\'m liberal because I believe in stem cell research and gay rights. That does not make me liberal, it just makes me more moderate right. I\'m still conservative but I\'m not radical right. I still believe much of what the republican party believes in and like Arnie, believes in a couple policies that don\'t go with the right side of things. A lot of republicans and democrats are like that. It depends on the politician.
Yes dude your very liberal. I bet you think we need more shows like Will and Grace on tv;)
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Ah Quddus, if only life was so black and white.
Most of the posts I\'ve seen Titan make have been relatively Conservative, being that, oh, I dunno, he will be going into the Armed Forces, and they generally swing more to the right. Just because he believes that homosexuals have the right to get married (and why the hell not?) doesn\'t make him a liberal.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Yes dude your very liberal. I bet you think we need more shows like Will and Grace on tv;)
Dude, you are a moron. First off, because I believe in two liberal policies does not make me liberal. That just makes me more moderate but I have a lot more conservative views. I guess you can say Arnold is liberal (even though he is Republican) because he believes in pro choice and gay rights.
Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Ah Quddus, if only life was so black and white.
Most of the posts I\'ve seen Titan make have been relatively Conservative, being that, oh, I dunno, he will be going into the Armed Forces, and they generally swing more to the right. Just because he believes that homosexuals have the right to get married (and why the hell not?) doesn\'t make him a liberal.
See Yuz.
Finally, someone with a brain ;) I want to go into the armed forces but I found I may not be able to because I have a record of asthma after my 13th birthday. It is extremely mild so I\'m gonna go through the tedious process of getting it waived.....a very tedious process. Doesn\'t mean that it will get me in though :(
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What exactly did Quddus say that was so bad?
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Originally posted by Bozco
What exactly did Quddus say that was so bad?
That I was liberal because I believe in gay rights and stem cell research.
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And being called a liberal is offensive? Even if you aren\'t, which juding by your previous posts that\'s probably the case, what Quddus said wasn\'t that bad. It\'s not like his joke was ill natured. Believe me he\'s said much worse on these forums.
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He was so layed back with it and you called him a moron and whatever else. It wasn\'t that bad, everybody needs to take a deep breath and chill.
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Originally posted by Phil
And being called a liberal is offensive? Even if you aren\'t, which juding by your previous posts that\'s probably the case, what Quddus said wasn\'t that bad. It\'s not like his joke was ill natured. Believe me he\'s said much worse on these forums.
I didn\'t take offense to it. I just wanted him to realise that I\'m conservative and just because you believe in one or two liberal policies, doesn\'t make a person liberal but more of a moderate.
Originally posted by Bozco
He was so layed back with it and you called him a moron and whatever else. It wasn\'t that bad, everybody needs to take a deep breath and chill.
I do apologize for kind of snapping. I\'ve been snapping at everyone lately. Don\'t take it personal guys.
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Originally posted by Titan
I do apologize for kind of snapping. I\'ve been snapping at everyone lately. Don\'t take it personal guys.
I know how you feel.
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Originally posted by Titan
I do apologize for kind of snapping. I\'ve been snapping at everyone lately. Don\'t take it personal guys.
must be that time of the month eh..titan? ;)