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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ooseven on September 02, 2004, 02:10:05 PM
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It gets a 8.6...hmmm not as high as I hoped.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/rpg/fable/review.html
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What are some personal reviews here on the boards? IGN rated it a high 9.3. Do they even have it for PC?
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It\'s pretty much what I was expecting from GameSpot. I was waiting for their review before I made any real comments on it. Who was the reviewer? *clicks link*
Hot damn, it was Greg K. Can\'t wait to read this. But I have to go to work. :(
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GameSpot Fable Review Video!!
Video (http://www.gamespot.com/live/streamer_new2.html?title=Fable+Video+Review&path=fable_xvr92.asx&pid=516688&ppath=xbox/rpg/fable&ksubmoid=8a94cdeb-6f8f-712a-dd7d-7f220ba4a13b&urdate=1095145200)
Can\'t wait!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2004%2Freviews%2F516688_20040902_screen002.jpg&hash=8d476042bf3463a7cb4307aa248f28c2f27b9b40)
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too little, too late
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^^^What do you mean?
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if you have to ask....
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Originally posted by mm
too little, too late
buddy ... at least rent it and give it a go ;)
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10 hours for an epic game? 30-40 if you squeeze out every last little secret. How long did we wait for this? This game will forever belong on the renting shelves.
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10 hours for an epic game? 30-40 if you squeeze out every last little secret. How long did we wait for this? This game will forever belong on the renting shelves.
Considering it probably has replay value through the roof(play it good, evil, whatever) I\'d consider it a solid buy...but that\'s just me.
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well judging by the review, the choices aren\'t that diverse, and you can switch your allegiance by just spending money.... That seemed to seal the deal for me.
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And most other reviews state that you really won\'t play through the game more than twice..
But they also say that your first time through the game is quite the memorable experience, so, yunno. :)
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wait....10 hours!!!!!!
:rpissed:
:laughing:
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PC rulz
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hmmm...the 10 hours just doesn\'t bother me. I mean take Jak & Daxter for example, it\'s the best platform game I\'ve ever played and it could easily be 100% done in under 10 hours.
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Originally posted by Ginko
hmmm...the 10 hours just doesn\'t bother me. I mean take Jak & Daxter for example, it\'s the best platform game I\'ve ever played and it could easily be 100% done in under 10 hours.
Different type of game..
I\'d feel cheated if I bought Final Fantasy XII and beat it in 8 hours. Hell, Final Fantasy X has 100+ hours in the game and it\'s no where near the most epic game in the series.
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I pre-ordered it. And.. that might not be a good thing after all.
I\'ll go in with modest hopes, though.. and see what happens.
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an 8.6 from gamespot is a great score IMO
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Different type of game..
I\'d feel cheated if I bought Final Fantasy XII and beat it in 8 hours. Hell, Final Fantasy X has 100+ hours in the game and it\'s no where near the most epic game in the series.
Okay, this is an adventure game so let\'s play with that genre. I\'d say it might be directly comparable to maybe the Zelda series? You can finish ANY of those games in under 10 hours but easily spend an extra 10 hrs just by exploring and doing the extras.
As far as RPGs go you get out what you put in, some people claim they can beat X around 20 hours and come away somewhat disappointed. I like to spend time with my games and usually beat an RPG around the 40-50 hrs mark, Grandia II and FFX-2 only took 30 hrs and I spent ALOT of time messing around in those games. They cost the same as my 40-50 hour rpgs but I didn\'t hold it against them.;)
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but did you beat it the FIRST time under 10 hours
making excuses now, eh?
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..adventure game? Since when?
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I don\'t know, I haven\'t really read up on fable...just flying by the seat of my pants here trying to get a discussion. (This place is so dead)
but did you beat it the FIRST time under 10 hours
making excuses now, eh?
I beat Windwaker missing one heart container and one of those statues, right at 10 hrs 6 mins. I just checked it:p
It was and is an amazing game.
I rarely play games through more than once, Skies of Arcadia(DC & GC versions) being the exception...both plays took between 47-55 hrs.
Fable looks like an adventure/rpg, that\'s kind of how I view Zelda so that\'s where I draw the comparison.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
..adventure game? Since when?
"Beneath the surface, Fable is a well-put-together but standard action adventure..." - Gamespot
**** you:)
Fable is an imaginative game that\'s got enough remarkable, unique moments in it to make it shine. That many of these moments happen to be good for a laugh is all the better. It\'s true that the game\'s high points are not always frequent--its ambitions are evident but not always fulfilled, and the pervasively playful spirit of the game sometimes is mired by convention. These trespasses are more than excusable, though. Regardless of how much time you ultimately spend playing Fable, you\'re not likely to forget the experience for a long while.
-Gamespot
Seriously, you guys will bitch about anything that isn\'t on your precious playstation...or pc. <-- that\'s for you, mm.;)
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no, ill bitch about a 5 year delayed game thats TEN ****ING HOURS LONG
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no, ill bitch about a 5 year delayed game thats TEN ****ING HOURS LONG
Feel that you let your panties get too bunched up? If you cared that much about it then I advise you to take the game nice and slow, exploring every last inch of it.
But I\'m guessing you don\'t have intentions of playing it, perhaps giving a kiosk 10 minutes of your precious time before writing it off as a failure.
your loss:p
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the sales will reflect the failure
my loss? i\'m too busy playing non-dissapointing games
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the sales will reflect the failure
resorting to presumptions...discussion over I take it?
my loss? i\'m too busy playing non-dissapointing games
I suppose that\'s entirely subjective so I\'ll just let it go...although I wouldn\'t mind knowing what it is you find non-disappointing? All I ever see you do is whine.
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presumptions?
sales data will show the lack of interest in this flop.
but hey, the gaming companies love sheep like you. they just shovel out shit and you\'re glad to pay for it cause it\'s the newest thing
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Well, it\'s not exactly the newest thing. Some parts of this game were finalized 4 years ago. *cough*
Wind Waker was a fantastic game, but it was short and shorter than it was supposed to be.
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presumptions?
sales data will show the lack of interest in this flop.
My only response to that, considering lack of actual sales data, is wait and see. I\'d sure love to have access to all this insider info you have though...but if it comes at the price of being an ass then you can keep it to yourself.
but hey, the gaming companies love sheep like you. they just shovel out shit and you\'re glad to pay for it cause it\'s the newest thing
I don\'t think I\'ve mentioned that I\'ll buy Fable because I don\'t have intentions to, not before I give it a rent anyway. And I\'m giving it a rent because the reviews have been pretty solid, surely nothing in the way of shit, as you so eloquently put it. But hey, if that makes me a sheep...baaaa.
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Originally posted by Ginko
I\'d consider it a solid buy...but that\'s just me.
Did you mean to say a solid rent?
I bet our buddy pstwo will end up having spent more time posting threads about Fable than finally playing it after four long years of hype :p
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Originally posted by Heretic
Did you mean to say a solid rent?
Nope, I meant what I said in reference to the quote attached. Phil had a concern about the length of the game and I still stand by saying that 10 hrs on an adventure game is a solid buy.
EDIT: Of course that is if you like the game.
I bet our buddy pstwo will end up having spent more time posting threads about Fable than finally playing it after four long years of hype :p
lol, for sure.
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I guess I should clarify my stance on this game. There is no doubt that this game will be enjoyable. Hell, I\'ll probably end up playing it (and beating it) on a friend\'s xbox. It\'s just irritating to hear that this "epic" game that took so long to produce ended up being so short. Based on what the company led me to believe, I should be able to roam the countryland doing heroic deeds and decide my destiny. This should include much more freedom of choice then what the reviewers have stated. I shouldn\'t be confined to this linear 10 hour game that you have to milk to get a solid 30 out of. That wasn\'t the game that got me excited YEARS ago. I guess this is what hype will do to you.
Thinks back to Black and White.......
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After 5 years my views on fable have been so polarised, that I can see that these will mostlikely be my responses from myself when I FINALLY get a hold of it.
before you read the following..it is important to note that they will be my reactions to whether Fable "floats my boat"...come october the 8th.
Below will me my resopnce if after all this time...fable is a big disappointment...and turns out as bad as Black & white (*coff* only 5 levels *coff*)
Look i am sorry but I am royally pissed about this !
I bought a X box purely for Fable
I have been following the developments over that BigBlueBox for sometime now...(3 years)
And all they have been saying for the past year is that the main quest will be between 25 to 30 hours if you KNOW what to do and rush through it.
With a possible 40 or so hours if you take your time, and a grand total of 80 or so hours if you want to see and do everything.
This has been quoted by both members of lionhead and BBB...
So you can see why i am so pissed ! :rpissed:
so it took 4 ...nearly 5 years to make a Game that lasts only 10 hours...
What the $%$% have the main story guys been doing all this time while the rest of the team have been bogged down in all the superficial features for the past 4 years?
Was it the old Philip J fry from futurerama “it took me a hour to write so I thought I would take a hour to read” mentality.
God... Final Fantasy kuller...my big FAT Scottish ARSE !
yet again i fell for Peter M\'s hype....(me cann\'s the pre-order for Black and White 2 and B.C.)
Ahhh so it looks like now come October I will be buying fable on the Friday and completing it by the Saturday morning….ready for it to be traded in to get GTA:SA…on the 22nd.
No wait on second thoughts… I am going to hold off taking fable back to the shops….
I am going to trade the f\\/cker in with my x box on Gameboy DS launch day…
That will teach them.
BigBlueBox....you will be the FIRST against the Wall when the revolution comes !
Followed by the buring in a giant wicker man of Peter M !
:rpissed: !
and its it the good responce i will make if find that Fable is a fanf&ckingtastic...on the 8th of october.
VVV
VVV
VVV
Fable is Fanf^ckingtastic....
Well worth the wait and to all that say 10 hours for the main quest is to short...then i say you don\'t know how to play fable...
Fable is about choices and has been made with the sandbox mentality.
you get what you put in children... and it asks you to use you imaginaion.. i know thats a strange concept to most of you.
anyone to say it again it matters not about the lenght of the main quest, as the game it self offer so many distractions.
now if you excuse me ... i must get back to playing some fable
in short.
BigBlueBox.... should all be given knighthoods
and all Nay sayers sould be the FIRST against the Wall when the revolution comes !
Followed by the buring in a giant wicker man of mm !
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like i said, the sales data will show its folly
and perhaps peter M. will go back in the closet now
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like i said, the sales data will show its folly
You are worthless.
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no, a 5 year delayed game for 10 hours of gameplay is worthless
enjoy, sucker
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no, a 5 year delayed game for 10 hours of gameplay is worthless
enjoy, sucker
BS, like all your responses. You very rarely explain why and when you do you come across as bias and shallow.
Nevermind that the game has garnered an average of 9/10\'s, all you care about is that you had to wait for a game you had no intentions of playing.
You are a troll.
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no, im a dissapointed gamer (yet again)
perhaps the next big hyped peter M. game will be 11 hours to keep you sucking
and i\'ll certainly play it when one of my sucker friends reads that gamepro gave it a 8.8 rating and blows 50$ on it
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Disappointed in something you haven\'t played yet?
Honestly, how can you miss something you never had in the first place? You read into the hype so you can blame yourself for all those high hopes and your mascara running.
The reviews are in, Fable is good, suck it up.
Now go wipe your tears and clean up your face;)
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Agreeing with mm is like agreeing that games like Viewtiful Joe, Mark of Kri or ICO are shit just because they had bad sales.
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Last I checked, 8.8 was a pretty good mark. What\'s the prollum?
mm, how could you be disappointed when you apparently never had high hopes for Fable in the first place? With it being a Molyneux title \'n\' all, something you liked to point out in earlier threads.
Just seems like you\'re finding excuses to troll.
By the way, I have no interest in Fable, I\'m just sayin\'. ;)
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did ico or mark of kri have 10 hours of gameplay? were they ultra hyped?
no
we knew what to expect from Molyneux
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Actually, I read that ICO is relatively short (10 hours) to complete. Can anybody confirm this?
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It was relatively short (I forget the exact number) but the atmosphere of that game more than made up for its lack of length.
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i highly doubt its beatable the 1st time in under 10 hours
and its a rediculous comparison to begin with. ico wasnt hyped for 5 years. it wasnt hyped at all
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we knew what to expect from Molyneux
And yet you throw a tantrum like the news caught you blind sided?
You\'re starting to convince me that you don\'t even know what your complaining about and even more so why. I don\'t see how the 4-5 year development time affected your life in any way...though it\'d be truly interesting to see your arguement as I have no doubt you\'d convince everyone you have zero credibility when it comes to rational discussion. You\'re basically just flinging shit.
ICO\'s average time for the first time through is around 10 hours, less than 3 when you know what to do.
I\'d rather you comment about Wind Waker since Fable is a little more related than ICO. 10 hours and 6 minutes to do almost everything the game had to offer on the first time through. The only thing I didn\'t partake in was the color pictograph. Now, argueably, the Zelda series is huge and much is expected for every sequel. Did the length of Wind Waker or any other game in the series let anyone in here down?
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tantrum? and i\'m the one not excited about a 5 year delayed game thats 10 hours long?
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I wasn\'t too fond of Wind Waker, but I thought it\'s length was just fine... I spent a bit more time with Ocarina of Time, but no complaints.
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That\'s right, mm. Just keep dodging any chance of having to actually explain your reasoning, or lack thereof.
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i already have, its quite simple and not sorry you cant grasp it. perhaps your too busy coughing up money for peter M?
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My last name is Peters
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Are you serious? You think you\'ve explained why it is that you are disappointed in a game that you haven\'t played or how long it\'s been in development affects you in any way? If you or anyone else can point that out I\'d be quite suprised.
Why have you dodged the wind waker comparison?
Just to let you know, this is as much fun for me as it is for you;)
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how dare you compare it to wind walker
why you think i ignored it the 1st time
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how dare you compare it to wind walker
certainly you have your reasons for this...
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Originally posted by mm
i highly doubt its beatable the 1st time in under 10 hours
and its a rediculous comparison to begin with. ico wasnt hyped for 5 years. it wasnt hyped at all
Well from a gamer standpoint it is beatable in 10 hours. Phil and I sat there and played it thru the first time and I\'m pretty sure it didn\'t take us that long at all.
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Ico was a piece of shit artsy-farty game that was boring and pointless.
Mark of Kri was excellent.
I\'m sorry - but unlike the rest of you, I could care less if the game sells well and I don\'t want to devote 40+ hours to one single game. When you have a life - that\'s what happens. You want a short game, you can enjoy for the moment. So, I will pick up \'Fable\' and be happy most likely. Then again, I\'ll be gettin\' it for free due to gift cards being given out at work , so I can\'t complain.
;)
Move on people...Fable is here and some are going to be dissapointed and some are going to be happy..Move on.
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"free" makes all the difference
:)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ico was a piece of shit artsy-farty game that was boring and pointless.
Just not YOUR type
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Move on people...Fable is here and some are going to be dissapointed and some are going to be happy..Move on.
That\'s not the arguement, licky. Calling a game a failure when it\'s not even out, he hasn\'t played it, and the reviews are solid is just about being a troll and I won\'t let it go without calling him on it.
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let me know when it sells a million
/yawn
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let me know when it sells a million
/yawn
I\'d be really suprised if you could name several console action/adventure games that have sold over a million. Zelda is the only one that comes to mind but that\'s an established franchise...maybe Prince of Persia but I\'m not sure, apparently it did well enough to warrant another sequel. I kind of want to throw Devil May Cry in there but it just doesn\'t fit, imo...
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need i mention the development time again? how much did fable cost to produce anyways?
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You would figure that since the game had been hyped for so long, it would be longer than 10 hours. Did they take a 6 month break every year?
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need i mention the development time again? how much did fable cost to produce anyways?
holy shit, I\'ve asked this like three times already...how is that relevant to you or me?
You would figure that since the game had been hyped for so long, it would be longer than 10 hours. Did they take a 6 month break every year?
Maybe they attend the same seminars as Rare does on productivity.:p
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but rare produces games that last more than 10 hours, no?
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If you just run through their platformers, ignoring the item collecting, hell no.
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like i said in me page long rant...
maybe they throught...
"well it took us 5 years to make,,, it must take them that long to play"
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Originally posted by mm
but rare produces games that last more than 10 hours, no?
Banjo-Kazooie took me around 12 hours to get everything the first time through, the second and third time through it took me around 7 hours.
Donkey Kong 64, that is the biggest game I never finished. I remember being around 40% at 12 hours in. The levels were gargantuan, lots of items to collect, and numerous objectives. It was a rental.
Star Fox Adventures took me 15 hours to get 94%.
Never finished Jet Force Gemeni, couldn\'t get into it.
I only played the multiplayer aspects of Golden Eye and Perfect Dark.
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so any comparison to rare is moot
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Not really. Just goes to show that the average game, with the exception of RPGs, runs between 10-20 hours. Considering the reviews have stated that Fable would take around 20-30 hours to do everything I\'d say it\'s pretty standard.
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still pathetic for a 5 year delayed game to contain ultimately 20-30 hours of detailed gaming.
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Originally posted by mm
"free" makes all the difference
:)
So true.
Oh and Rare makes crap generic platform games.
Rare suxors.
Ico suxors.
And I\'ll find out if Fable suxors or not!
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Originally posted by mm
still pathetic for a 5 year delayed game to contain ultimately 20-30 hours of detailed gaming.
round and round we go...
Just to take the conversation in a different route, when did the game actually start getting delayed. I mean, it was in development for probably two-three years I\'m guessing since that seems to be the standard these days.
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it was supposed to be a launch title at one point, no?
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Originally posted by mm
it was supposed to be a launch title at one point, no?
I\'m too tired to look it up right now. Hopefully someone with some knowledge of the game\'s timeline will chime in.
waits for pstwo...
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Who cares? If people play the game and like it, good for them. Being 10 hours long if you rush through it is hardly a negative in my book. It takes me about half an hour to an hour to blast through Ikaruga and that\'s one of the best games of all time. Does it matter to me, after I have played and enjoyed it, that it may have taken five years to complete its development cycle? No, it does not.
I honestly never thought I\'d see the day where a game\'s development time would be something to use against it as a negative. From conception to completion, I\'m sure plenty of games take anywhere from 2-5 years while others take less or even more, but what difference does that make so long as the final product is a lot of fun?
This is so incredibly stupid...
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Some people need to get a life if they expect games to be 30 hours or more! Maybe if these people got laid they would realize there is more to life than videogames.
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5 years is just about a console\'s lifespan
and zolar, be careful in your glass house please
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I\'m 90% sure it\'s not a launch title but back on the time frame to make Fable, If I remember one of the videos they said there is 5 AI level systems. I think it took longer to build the level designs and 5 AI level systems then making more quests to play with. If eveyone waited 6 more months, I think it would give some time to build more quests and this is what Fable needs to be one of the best Xbox RPG game.
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By all accounts it’s plain to see this is not the system selling ‘best RPG eva’ it was touted to be 5 years ago. I have no problem with any decent ten hour game, it’s the half decade of hype preceding it that makes the situation laughable. How any of you can sit there with a straight face and say it shouldn’t matter is a marvel to me.
The reviews/previews read like a short version of Summoner with updated graphics and the option to play the hero as a sadistic prick, complete with red eyes and phallic symbols growing out of your head. Plus, with it supposedly being almost impossible to die- what’s to keep the fun from ever ending? :rolleyes:
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By all accounts it’s plain to see this is not the system selling ‘best RPG eva’ it was touted to be 5 years ago. I have no problem with any decent ten hour game, it’s the half decade of hype preceding it that makes the situation laughable. How any of you can sit there with a straight face and say it shouldn’t matter is a marvel to me.
Glad you finally joined in...
The hype is on a individual basis, you either read into it or you didn\'t. I stopped reading up on Fable probably a good year ago if not longer and I have almost no idea what was intended for the game.
When you sit down and play the final product it doesn\'t matter what didn\'t make it in. The game came out solid regardless of any broken promises.
As for the five year development...Star Ocean 3 was also five years in the making and from what I read it had quite a bit of hype surrounding it (in Japan anyway). The review I read says it\'s a 40 hour rpg with a possible 80 if you do EVERYTHING...
[mm]OMG, five years!!!11, that RPG should be 200 hours long just because and I don\'t have anything else to add so I\'ll just keep saying that!!11[/mm]
The reviews/previews read like a short version of Summoner with updated graphics and the option to play the hero as a sadistic prick, complete with red eyes and phallic symbols growing out of your head. Plus, with it supposedly being almost impossible to die- what’s to keep the fun from ever ending?
Then I guess it isn\'t Summoner now is it:p
Guess you\'ll have to play it for yourself to see what the fuss is about until then why don\'t you keep an open mind towards it.
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individual hype? lol
now your just making shit up
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You obviously got in to it more than anyone else here.
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actually, the opposite
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Hey..
I really enjoyed Summoner..
:)
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as did I
Oh and jackass, respond to my PM
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I enjoyed Summoner as well, it’s very doubtful I’d of enjoyed it even half as much if battles hadn’t presented any challenge.
individual hype? lol
Well in pms case individual hype was enough to pimp the idea to MS and walk away with a moneyhat five years ago
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Summoner\'s best part?
I wannaaa cast magic misssllesssss
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Summoner\'s worst part was exploring that first damn city you enter.. it took forrreeevverrrr.
Oh, and anyone remember when PM stated that Fable was going to be the greatest game ever??? GEE< LOOKING BACK THAT"S HILARRRRRIIIOIOOOOUUSSSS! AHA AHAHAHA
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Most of the problems with Fable came from Peter’s boasting, if he learned to shut his piehole…. Maybe fable would have been met with the rewards it deserves rather then the disappointments it seams to attract.
For example(s) taken from video interviews and articles on fable..all have proven to be faulse.
You know you can drop an acorn and watch it grow into a tree
Haha
Total level of freedom..hey you could even kill kids
Hahahahahah
Hit a kid with a sword and scar him, In a few years not only will he still have a scar but now he’s a fully grown man and now holds a grudge with you.
Hahahahahahahahah
ALL NPC age real time too
Bwhahahahah
There is no loading screens in fable other then the one when you first boot up the game…no loading times between “zones”
BBBWhahahahaaahah
Real time ageing watch your character grow and develop
Hahahahahahahahahaha…
you could have kids and raise them as your future hero when your old one dies from old age.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
multiplayer modes ..if a friend comes round all he needs to do is plug in a scond controller with his save on a memory card and he’s in. no menus and no extra fus.
BBBBhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Fable has about 30 to 40 hours for the main quest…that’s if you rush it and know what to do.
BBBBBBBBBBBhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *faints from excessive laughter *
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:laughing:
This is the funniest post ever in the console discussion forums
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It would be funny if it wasn\'t fable... and we had to wait half a decade to finally play it.
Peter M = The personification of Game hype on bad.
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If you don\'t like the game, don\'t play it... Spend more of your time doing something other the whining like a little school girl.
oh and mm, stop sucking your thumb.
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now thats what i call trolling
:)
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*clap clap clap clap* <- ooseven!
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Too many ha\'s..... :sconf:
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Geez, double O, I was just joking and pretending to find it funny..
..you take things too far.
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if you\'re referring to me mm, you haven\'t exactly added anything to this entire thread. Now thats what i call trolling. :)
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i added 50% to the argument
you brought ummm, -1 ?
please stick to giving bad advice in the PC forum, thanks
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What’s that? A game that’s 10 or so hours must suck, yet you\'ve never even played it. Yep, that’s a strong argument point you have there..... :jack: Keep up the good work. :)
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:jack: is what you must do best
oh, and did i say it sucked?
nice reading comprehension
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Originally posted by mm
i added 50% to the argument
you brought ummm, -1 ?
please stick to giving bad advice in the PC forum, thanks
50% to the arguement which consists of copy pasting the same arguements again and again and..... :D
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well, i had to beat down some moot comparisons to rare\'s title, and other useless stuff
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keyword.. useless. I don\'t need to :jack: I have a gf...
hows your love life goin?
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:laughing: its fun to see mods battling *picks some pop corn*.They act the opposite way they advise us to behave.This thread would have been closed normally if it werent for mods making fun of each other :laughing:
"Nice blow from Soulgrind, mm pulls back and thinks of an opportunity to hit back"
*waits to see whats going to happen next* :D
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Soully isn\'t a mod.
He was de-adminned when he tried to strip mm of admin powers. But he forgot about the chimp.
Oh, and..
:jack:
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Geez, double O, I was just joking and pretending to find it funny..
..you take things too far.
so was i bobby :p.....so was i.
unlike mm i have this bad boy on pre-order and the only thing that gets my goat is the fact that its made by a British developer...
yet we get it nearly a whole month behind the YANKS... :(
yet again the PAL gamer gets it up the rectum :(.
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i own
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You wished :p
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So this is where mm has been. I haven\'t seen Clyde in some time. :( Anyway, next Tuesday should be interesting. A lot of good stuff coming out along with Fable. CoD expansion and racer\'s "favorite", The Sims 2.
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mm just took my arguement and ran with it. Glad to see I get zero credit.
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Originally posted by Phil
mm just took my arguement and ran with it. Glad to see I get zero credit.
Don\'t feel too bad, all he did was run in circles like he\'s mentally challenged.
And not to be an ass or anything but it wasn\'t a strong arguement to begin with.
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Eh, I clarified my stance, and nobody argued against it. No harm no foul.
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like i said, let me know when fable hits a million sold
oh, and who exactly was the one that tried to compare it to rare\'s titles, or windwalker?
you might as well of compared it to tetris or myst
:rolleyes:
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Why are you making it such an issue?
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why AREN\'T you making it such an issue
but hey, if 5 years of delays gets you 10 hours of enjoyment, then im glad all gamers arent like you.
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Nobody said they were super excited about what it offers compared to what it promised.We all saw the HUGE hype behind the game and we all realise that it\'s far from what it was supposed to be.Nobody was making such a big fuss about it being "the best game ever" in these boards
But then again it got some good scores.Not perfect but good.And thats it.No reason to ignore it if it doesnt suck.Some people are considering buying or renting it.
Only people that have spent a life time on listening to what P.M was promising, impatiently waiting for the game, people that didnt have anything better to do than raising expectations and saw this game as the next super revolution should make it such an issue
Why on earth are YOU making it such an issue since you knew it was going to be so much less from teh beginning?
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When the 5 year delays start harming me then I\'ll begin to whine.
oh, and who exactly was the one that tried to compare it to rare\'s titles, or windwalker?
you might as well of compared it to tetris or myst
I compared the length and it just goes to show that a 10-30 hour game is the norm despite development times. Hell, I threw in Wind Waker because it is in the same genre AND they have comparable length. But you apparently didn\'t get it, maybe next time I\'ll use pictures.:rolleyes:
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It\'s just irritating to hear that this "epic" game that took so long to produce ended up being so short. Based on what the company led me to believe, I should be able to roam the countryland doing heroic deeds and decide my destiny. This should include much more freedom of choice then what the reviewers have stated. I shouldn\'t be confined to this linear 10 hour game that you have to milk to get a solid 30 out of. That wasn\'t the game that got me excited YEARS ago. I guess this is what hype will do to you.
You went from a complaint to a reason, I can respect that however I don\'t see how this could actually "irritate" you unless you were sincerely waiting on hands and knees for this game.
The five year development is completely moot. There wasn\'t an argument there to begin with, it was merely a complaint and a shallow one at that.
why AREN\'T you making it such an issue
but hey, if 5 years of delays gets you 10 hours of enjoyment,
I\'m asking HOW are you making it an issue. The only way I could see anyone being able to bitch about it is if the development time affected the price(if the game was more expensive because).
That\'s not the case and there isn\'t ANYTHING else that you can come up with.
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Ginko, I normally have nothing but respect for your posts but this time I think your arguing with mm has blinded your logic a bit. I didn\'t have to be waiting hands and knees for Fable to be irritated by it\'s less than everything release. It promised me one thing, waited 5 years, and gave me something else. That sucks, and I was a dissapointed/irritated. Did I get over it soon enough? Well of course. You don\'t have be waiting hands and knees for the game to see that the game fell flat on it\'s face and failed to deliver me what it promised. People waited 5 years for something that won\'t ever exist. I hardly call that a moot point.
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Wait wait, so because you\'re informed about your purchases, you are "hurt" when it comes out less then promised. Because you read forums, news sites, previews, reviews, and all that other crap, you are dissapointed for not getting something you have never tried. ... Boy am I glad Internet people are the minority when it comes to playing and buying games. There\'s a Joe casual gamer out there who will buy Fable, enjoy the hell out of it, for what it is, and not bitch once about what it was "supposed" to be. I envy him. I envy him a lot.
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Yeah, it got my hopes up, so what? God I guess I should keep myself uninformed and just casually pick my purchases based on cover art. Who said I wouldn\'t try it? I said I was dissapointed that it didn\'t come totally into fruition. Not that I was going to be dissapointed in the game I will eventually play, and oh my gosh if you read my earlier posts, I\'ll probably really enjoy!!!! Don\'t jump on my back because I post something that is less than flowers and butterflies.
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Originally posted by Phil
Yeah, it got my hopes up, so what? God I guess I should keep myself uninformed and just casually pick my purchases based on cover art. Who said I wouldn\'t try it? I said I was dissapointed that it didn\'t come totally into fruition. Not that I was going to be dissapointed in the game I will eventually play, and oh my gosh if you read my earlier posts, I\'ll probably really enjoy!!!! Don\'t jump on my back because I post something that is less than flowers and butterflies.
Don\'t make yourself out to be some kind of victim here or anything. The post wasn\'t directed at you, your post just happened to be above mine, but instead at everyone who is complaining that the game is less then what was proposed so long ago. It just doesn\'t make any sense at all.
A guy goes to Circuit City or Best Buy and buys a computer and it has all these features on paper and then gets home, opens it up, and finds lots of the things written to be included on paper are in fact missing, he has the right to complain. He paid for this system and he paid for what was written on the page when he bought it.
On the other hand, people on a message forum discussing missing options from a game none of them have played once and on a game that has yet to be released is just really silly. If you\'re playing the game and as you are playing, you see an acorn drop from the sky and land on the grass and a sign pops up that says "feature to be included in 2006" -- then sure, please, by all means, complain. Otherwise, I doubt you\'ll miss much. ;)
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How about seeing that computer in the paper at best buy and then when you happen to drive over, you find out that\'s what best buy expected to have. In reality here\'s half of the system. You still want to buy it?
Myself and mm were the first two to bring up such a complaint, on top of the fact it was right below mine, I made an assumption.
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You don\'t have be waiting hands and knees for the game to see that the game fell flat on it\'s face and failed to deliver me what it promised. People waited 5 years for something that won\'t ever exist. I hardly call that a moot point.
^what ryu said.
Also, just so you know most of all developers have things that they intend to put in games and just don\'t make it. That\'s why they have sequels;)
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How about seeing that computer in the paper at best buy and then when you happen to drive over, you find out that\'s what best buy expected to have. In reality here\'s half of the system. You still want to buy it?
Would the system still work really well and do everything that I need to have fun? Are there other systems I can buy that could be more fun? Maybe even a better system? I sure could go for a Burnout 3 system. ;)
Myself and mm were the first two to bring up such a complaint, on top of the fact it was right below mine, I made an assumption.
Yah, but mm is the more annoying one in this thread. You\'re pretty even handed for the most part. :)
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well i haven\'t played the game but just by reading some posts i\'m assuming that the game isn\'t as open-ended as it was supposed to be...like getting that porsche that has 250 horsepower when it was really supposed to come with 280..you\'ll be a little dissappointed, but you\'ll still enjoy the porsche nontheless..
i guess some are pissed because that was an option that was hyped up the wassou..and it fell short..what\'s the word i\'m lookin\' for?... too ambitious...
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yeah i was kind of thinking what would of been the impact of fable if it was kept a secret till the last minute ?
would it of been a Sleeper hit ?
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Originally posted by ooseven
yeah i was kind of thinking what would of been the impact of fable if it was kept a secret till the last minute ?
would it of been a Sleeper hit ?
I still remember when Diddy Kong Racing was revealed a month before release. The screens were amazing, the thought of having hovercrafts, carts, and planes was awesome. I had a very positive reaction to the game. Definitely in my top 3 when it comes to the 64.
I really like how ambitious Peter is but it wouldn\'t hurt if he learned to be more selective about the info he gives when he decides to go public.
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or if peter M wouldnt bullshit hype his games up and then not deliver
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hehe...
Now, when you say "bullshit" do you mean that Peter M never intended to get the features in there? When someone bullshits someone they are basically lying much like this...clears throat
"mm, you are the reason I come here. Your administrative rights were clearly earned by your invaluable contributions to the forum in the way of leadership and being an all around great member. Your debating skillz are second to none and are obviously beyond my comprehension because I\'m at a loss for words."
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omg, We must play this game before jumping into fault conclusion. I\'m
going to wait and see the FULL expericene of Fable before I say anything about this game.
It\'s not peters fault about hyping this game, At the time the developers was adding all these extra features but at the end the developers change it because of the launch date IMO. So is it peters fault? no, The developers said to him at one time they was adding these features. :eyemouth:
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im glad you see it my way, ginko
jump to conclusions? we know for a fact the game is 10 hours long the 1st time through.
it\'s peters fault, look at B&W
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You\'re forgetting to mention that to do everything you will double and possibly triple that time...but I\'m sure you knew that;)
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WOW! Playing Fable is so damn incredible! It was worth the 4 years wait.
Just got started and was just walking around and behind one of
the houses a couple fooling around with each other. I talk to the man and
he said if I shut-up about this I\'ll get a gold for it. So I thought about
it because the deed says something about rumors spreads fast in this town
or something. So I didn\'t want to be a rat in the town so I took his gold
and got a bad deed. I can\'t believe what 1 bad deed can do to you, Lots
of people says things to you like "he\'s a devil" etc. just bad things
about you. So I bump into the man wife and told her about where her
husband was and I got a good deed and she ran to where he was and I ran
with her to see what would happen and she was all pissed at him saying all
kind of things like what a wife would say when a man cheats on her. LMAO!
The ambience sounds, Music, Graphics, Controls, Cam just about everything is soild in Fable. GOTY! :D
Here\'s some screens in 480p wih my LCDtv.
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looks incredible :)
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PStwo it will be intrestingto see your dood when you have finished the game (please no spoilers)
can\'t wait to play
i ameven comnsidering Ebaying it to get the US version
ah only 21 days left :(
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ooseven, God the music and ambience rox! This game will sell a million fast. :D
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Originally posted by pstwo
This game will sell a million fast.
I agree. This game is fun. I\'m hearing that it is short but I am taking my time so I don\'t care..
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i\'m hearing that it\'s a snore-fest too
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i\'m hearing that it\'s a snore-fest too
:rolleyes:
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Wow, talk about in-depth, pstwo, I think your character has down syndrome!
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While they are fighting, When you try to talk to him, He gets mad at you for tell her. :laughing:
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Have it, and enjoying it quite a bit. Though found a guy that I can\'t kill. Wailed on him for 10 minutes, and he was still standing. Guess they forgot to make him killable.
Btw my dude has horns already. Spent a few minutes trying to dupe some broads into marriage. Did not work. So I was forced to kill them.:D
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My dude now has glowing red eyes, tattos, and little kids run from me.
Still no luck finding a bride though. May go ahead and wipe out a lesser village here in a minute. Should not take much. :)
Btw do not kick the chickens. They brand you, which forces one to kill perspective brides. :(
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Damnit - you always play the good side and I play the evil side.
What the hell are you smokin\'?!?!?
Oh and for the record - I got my copy at Wal-mart and was told by the clerks wal-mart was going to pull it for the "adult themes" , not sure if it was a lie or not.
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Most fun I have had in a game, in along time.
And let me say this - drop the ten hour bullshit. Yes, you would maybe be able to "complete" (i.e, do all main quests ) in ten hours, but you\'ll be hard pressed. Not only will your character have problems due to not being leveled up enough, missing the best weapons and what not, but you will also be hard pressed not to get side tracked. The game is huge, mini-quests galore , hidden keys and demon doors. There is no way anyone could do everything in ten hours.
Oh and plenty of great games could be beat within less than ten hours...Think NES games - that\'s all I will say.
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but it\'s not 1985 anymore, bro.
although games still sold for 50$ back then
/boggle
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Oh and plenty of great games could be beat within less than ten hours...Think NES games - that\'s all I will say.
Are you kidding? Many of today\'s games can be beaten in under 10 hours if you rush through. Most of them, save for RPGs, last between 10-20 hours.
mm STILL doesn\'t have an arguement...
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not one you could possibly understand
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not one you could possibly explain and I bet you\'re having a hard time convincing yourself of your own arguement.
I\'m being entirely serious when I say you didn\'t have a leg to stand on in the first place. You\'ve hardly convinced me, or anyone else here, otherwise.
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dont have to, so what if 3 people here wasted 50$ on another peter M. turd
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Nevermind you\'ve dodged explaining your whining, you still haven\'t explained why Fable is a "turd".
Those three people seem to be enjoying it quite a bit, even L-I-C:eek:, and I have yet to see any negative comments. I have yet to read a bad review or make any sense out of why you are still participating in this thread.
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I got Fable, it\'s a very good game. However, it was hyped up way more than it should have been.
Again, don\'t get me wrong, I love this game, I think it\'s a hit. It\'s just, they way it was advertised, I expected an entirely new experience.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
It\'s just, they way it was advertised, I expected an entirely new experience.
The way it was hyped or the way it was advertised? Two different things.
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My character is now 46 years old and has an almost transparent halo above his head. I can seriously walk in to any town and marry anyone I want. I don\'t have to woo anyone as soon as I walk into the room 9/10 people have huge hearts over their heads. If I talk to anyone (including the men :( ) they are all saying something about me buying them a wedding ring.
BTW, I can\'t get my character super huge. I want a big hulking warrior but he remains a slim(albeit super strong) guy.
I can\'t wait to finish and play through as a bad-ass. There were SO many times where I wanted to do the evil thing but my conscience kicked in.
Except when that guy made me get a haircut, a beard, and a mustache in order to meet his daughter. :mad: If you guys haven\'t seen it yet its no biggie but you may whoop his ass also.
[EDIT] Its probably worth noting that my character wouldn\'t be so old if I didn\'t spend so much time incarcerated. ;)
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Well I\'m older now but only did under 5 quest. I\'m playing around the world. The spells owns! :D
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so how are the free romaing environments? you know, the times when you\'re not fenced in?
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I didn\'t explore the whole map yet but there is some places where the area is bigger. Fishing is fun! I know you don\'t want to spend $50 on a new game, go and rent it and see. The music is composed like how a movie is made. If your in a suspense gameplay, So will the music. A joyful wondering around the place gives also a nice music tune and so on. Wonderful game! I give it a 10!
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Originally posted by Ginko
The way it was hyped or the way it was advertised? Two different things.
More of the way it was hyped. This was supposed to be the end-all be all of Action RPG\'s.
What we actually have (from playing it) is a fantastic Action RPG that really doesn\'t bring anything new to the table with the exception that your character "ages".
Truth be told, it\'s probably the best Action-RPG of the year, which is still an accomplishment on it\'s own. Anyone that thinks this game will be something of a breakthrough in the genre will be gravely mistaken.
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Originally posted by mm
so how are the free romaing environments? you know, the times when you\'re not fenced in?
Fenced in? You do three quests and there is a ton of area to explore, caves, towns (every house) and so on. At times it is daunting and I am not even 75 percent thru the game. Hardly fenced in/
Honestly, I don\'t get your hatred for this game. Yes, some features was taken out, but it is still a better game than anything else put out this year.
Infact, before you bring up the four years of development, after playing it for over 15 hours, I can tell there was four years of development put into the game. It is that polished.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Fenced in? You do three quests and there is a ton of area to explore, caves, towns (every house) and so on. At times it is daunting and I am not even 75 percent thru the game. Hardly fenced in/
I think he means more along the lines of this:
Originally posted by a member of another message board:
So let me get the negative out of the way first.
Everything is blocked off in the game. Everything. See those gorgeous woods next to you that seem to stretch on forever? Well don\'t even think about them. You can look but cannot touch. It ****ing sucks. That is probably the most disappointing aspect of Fable to me, the tiny, restricted environments. And there are load points everywhere! Just as frequent as KOTOR (the environs are even smaller), though the actual load times aren\'t as long. It\'s obvious that those early Project Ego screens were never even fully created as the game is chopped up into narrow paths.
I\'m looking forward to playing the game, however. :) Luckily I was never too hyped, so I shouldn\'t be too disappointed. :)
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I\'m only like 2 game days and is it me or the game only gets better? :p The combats rox!
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While I am hearing so many good things about this. It\'s a must rent for me when I get my xbox back. The things is dying on me so I sent it back to MS. I won\'t have it for two weeks. So as soon as it comes home I will go rent this one.
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Possible fable 1.5
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200409/004.asp
Happy days if true. Perhaps they will put some of the stuff in they pulled at the last minute.
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Fable 1.5, Sweet!
Here\'s my Hero!
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so they needed more development time?
:rolleyes:
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Heh, I think that was painfully obvious.
People here who\'ve played it seem to be digging it though, so it must be alright.
I\'m having fun playing a shitty EA pirate game right now, though, so fun and good are two different things.
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agreed
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Maybe it is because I never followed the development of Fable / Project Ego, but I find the game to very fun and highly polished. For me, it has been a rewarding experience to take a character and see how all the NPC\'s react to him , due to things I have done in other parts of the game.
Infact, I will play it again, as good, just to see the difference and it is rare that I feel compelled to play a game twice.
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I agree, this game did not break the barriers that it claimed it would, but its a damn good game.
There\'s incentive to play it twice, first time through I\'m gonna be a good guy, second time through a bad guy. After that it has almost no replay value.
One beef I have with this game is that you can just pay off your alignment. Oh well, this can only lead to better games to come.. I hope.
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OK got mine on Tuesday was at Frys for 38 bucks I figured 12 bucks off might as well buy it.
TO be honest I really only heard of the name Fable prior to me buying it I knew there was allot of hype but had no Idea what the game was even about. I enjoy playing it yet at the same time it feels very "kidy" to me I know that not really a word but I hope you know what I mean buy it. To start off F MY SISTER why do I even want to buy her a box of chocolates. If your gonna make the game open then let the way I act change the course of the game. For example I did not but bad things to that point and still managed to get 3 gold pieces for the damn chocolates but why make me give them to her. How bout this since I have been bad to this point let me eat the chocolates and then kick her in the ass for her birthday.
I dunno my overall impression is alright and It is fun to play but its nothing new it KOTOR and Zelda mixed together that pretty much it.
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Game is beat. Not a bad ride. Not sure if I want to go through as a hero or not yet.
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that was fast.....
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Especially since I would go a couple of days in between plays. Total time was 20 hours, and that was with me jerking off quite a bit.
I hate to admit it, but this game would have been benefited a great deal if there were more missions. :(
Originally posted by mm
that was fast.....
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*gasp*
:eek:
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I will agree the game needed more missions, I am near the end and I don\'t want it to end. At this point, with my current character, I am finding diversions so the game doesn\'t end. It\'s a sad truth, the game is spectacular, but short.
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mm, please just give it up. The game managed to get great reviews and it looks like everyone here who\'s played have confirmed it\'s a good game. Not a turd and no matter how hard you try you\'ll never be able to justify your complaint on development time.
Many games could do with more everything and as I said before, that\'s why there are sequels.
As far as adventure games go how does Fable stack up?
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You want quick.. I finished shellshock nam 67 under 4 hours..
that game was a disapointment.
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Anyone remember D on the original Playstation? I watched my friend beat it in 15 mintues!
There was another game somewhat similar on the Saturn...I think it was called Mansion of Hidden Souls or something like that. Took around an hour.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Anyone remember D on the original Playstation? I watched my friend beat it in 15 mintues!
There was another game somewhat similar on the Saturn...I think it was called Mansion of Hidden Souls or something like that. Took around an hour.
:laughing: heh i remeber that game "D".. i had it! at the time i thought that game was scary as hell!... more like slow as hell! :p
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Originally posted by clips
:laughing: heh i remeber that game "D".. i had it! at the time i thought that game was scary as hell!... more like slow as hell! :p
Laura...Laura...LAURA!
I thought it was kind of ridiculous...well not kind of.
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give it up?!
10 pages later, and people are started to agree with me
:)
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Let\'s clear a few things up.
(1) D , by Warp, was great. You could not pause it or anything. It was four disc which was amazing, for the time. D2 was complete and utter crap.
(2) Mansion of Hidden Souls was for the Sega CD and remade later for the Sega Saturn. It was also fun.
(3) It has only been eight pages and I don\'t quite see how you can say we agree with you. Your argument has been that it was a Peter M. "turd" and none of us have said that. All of us , who own it, have said that it is a solid game, but it is over to quick. It does however have replay value.
Also, I know I impressed you all with my vast knowledge of obsecure Sega titles.
;)
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I\'m impressed, lic...
Originally posted by mm
give it up?!
10 pages later, and people are started to agree with me
:)
LOL:laughing:
Agree with you?! Just how distorted is the world you live in?
You have claimed that Fable will be a failure, a turd, and you\'ve tried to convince people they should start whining about the development time.
You haven\'t succeeded on any account...but please, now is the time to finally explain yourself AND you can use Capcom and LIC\'s comments to justify your position.
I can\'t wait...I haven\'t had a good laugh just yet.;)
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WTF you cant kill the guards??? I got banned from an area for Murder (like slashing down 6 townspeople is murder) and I couldnt kill two guards? Also so I kicked a few chicken in the begining of the game does everyone really need to KEEP CALLING ME CHICKEN CHASER THATS WHY YOU ALL MUST DIE DONT CALL ME CHICKEN CHASER!!!!
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New press release from Microsoft.
It deserves every bit of it\'s glory! What I tell ya. It\'s a million seller soon. UK sales next! :D
Roleplaying Adventure Blockbuster Sets Stage for Spectacular Holiday Season for Microsoft Game Studios
Microsoft Game Studios today announced that Fable, the ground-breaking Xbox® roleplaying adventure game, has had an amazing start at retailers across North America in its first week of release, breaking records and selling through more than 375,000 units (grossing roughly $18.7 million U.S.). Fable sets the stage for a spectacular holiday season for Microsoft Game Studios by paving the way for titles such as Halo 2, Blinx 2 and MechAssault 2. Sales records are being broken at retailers throughout North America: the game was EB Games\' biggest first-week sales for any Xbox title ever; it broke Game Rush\'s first-day sales record for any game; it is the No. 1-selling overall title on any platform last week at GameStop and is the fastest-selling Xbox game at EB Games Canada for the first week. Fable even grossed more money than the No. 1 box office movie last week, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow*.
"Fable was the best first-week title on Xbox that we\'ve ever had" says Jim Tyo, vice president of EB Games Canada. "The game has exceeded our expectations, and we\'re confident that this strong sales trend will continue."
"Fable has been a huge hit for us, and it was our number one-selling title across all platforms over the last week" says Dan DeMatteo, president and chief operating officer of GameStop.
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waits for mm to say
"its not my problem people are morons"
or some retarded comment like that.
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I have a feeling he\'ll call them sheep.
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Roommate has fable, I\'ll probably post my impressions when i get a chance to play it.
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its not my problem australians are morons
show me 2nd and 3rd week sales
hello nose dive!
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Why are Australians morons?And even if they are dont the global sales figures(you like to mention so much) of other succesful games include Australian sales as well?
Irrelevant!!!!
You ve got some pretty "cool" arguements there NOT.
And most members in these thread enjoying the game are from the USA.Or am I wrong?Face it.Its a nice game.
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not my problem that (some) americans are arrogant and ignorant.
as for the nose dives.. probably because everyone bought the game in the first week.
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Sales aside, Fable is the best Action-RPG on X-Box. It might not be saying much, but hey it\'s enjoyable, and that\'s all they intended when they made this game. As long as a person enjoys a game, in this case masses of people, that\'s all that matters.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
as for the nose dives.. probably because everyone bought the game in the first week.
Isn\'t that generally why there\'s a nose-dive? :p
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i dunno, there are exceptions...
GTA for example had multiple rises and falls.
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Huh?..
I think you missed the point..
Which was that Soully missed the point..
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I didn\'t miss any point chump. mm was trying to attack the game by its sales.. My point is its goin down in sales most likely because everyone has bought it.. Which isn\'t a bad thing.
You get that point, or did u miss that?
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lol, soully
lack of sales and good thing should be in the same post
:)
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I like how first mm predicted the game will flop and be a turd without anything to support his idea and now he\'s assuming a nose dive in sales.
you are priceless...no more than a troll, but priceless.
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it has flopped, 5 years of hype for 240k in sales? i could put a turd in a green box call it xbox exclusive and it would sell that little.
what was the last xbox title to sell a million in a week, btw?
this was supposed to be the be all-end all of RPG gaming dont forget
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Now you\'ve resorted to lying?
The sell through is reported to be 375,000 and it\'s the fastest selling game for the xbox.
i could put a turd in a green box call it xbox exclusive and it would sell that little.
I\'ve seen you use this before and it doesn\'t make any sense now either...it only shows that you are getting more desperate.
I\'d like you to name several PS2 games that have sold one million in a week\'s time. Besides Grand Theft Auto, which I\'m not even sure sold that much in a week, I think you\'ll find it to be a very rare occasion if it has in fact happened.
Considering that the Xbox has a fraction of the userbase as the PS2 I\'d say 375,000 for one week\'s sales in the U.S. is pretty good.
And again, you\'re suggesting that the sales determine the quality of a game. Let me remind you as someone else did earlier...Viewtiful Joe, Mark of Kri, etc. Great games, not so stellar sales.
this was supposed to be the be all-end all of RPG gaming dont forget
Don\'t forget about the hype? What does the hype matter when a solid game was released anyway? Don\'t bring up yet another point you can\'t substantiate.
Oh and speaking of nose dives, your credibility to this forum has crash landed. There were no survivors, I\'m so sorry.
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240, 375, /shrug
i misread, big deal
oh, i guess noone told you, funny left right before you got here. nice try tho. points awarded
and why the comparison to ps2 sales? now thats pathetic and the sign of a true fanboy.
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keep on diggin...
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isnt oz where they sent all the criminals and murderers in the 1800\'s?
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welcome to yesterday mm... i don\'t expect u to have a education, after all you are in america and your education system isn\'t exactly top notch..
i wouldn\'t complain about australia havin crims and murderers back then, when america is still full of them now. good work. :grin:
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but we don\'t have any abbo\'s
:)
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and we get GTA SA without all the good stuff taken out (home invasions is gone in the Ausy version)
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Originally posted by mm
240, 375, /shrug
i misread, big deal
oh, i guess noone told you, funny left right before you got here. nice try tho. points awarded
Big deal is that you can\'t even state a simple fact, your PC monitor and your hatred for Xbox is blinding you.
I got to use your nose dive comment on you, I\'m satisfied. /shrugs shoulders
and why the comparison to ps2 sales? now thats pathetic and the sign of a true fanboy.
This is what you said...
what was the last xbox title to sell a million in a week, btw?
-mm
I then replied "I\'d like you to name several PS2 games that have sold one million in a week\'s time."
You wanted to know what Xbox game has sold one million in its\' first week which you know the answer to, but since you made such a comment I figured why not corner you with it?
Do you understand?
Your sales=quality theory isn\'t all that accurate so I wouldn\'t suggest using it in the future.
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Originally posted by mm
but we don\'t have any abbo\'s
:)
Exactly, you have Indians... :)
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Originally posted by theomen
and we get GTA SA without all the good stuff taken out (home invasions is gone in the Ausy version)
They will most likely work by system regions. Simply change your region to USA and most likely have everything in it... Same thing was on GTA3 if I remember right.. Most aussies will probably get the yank version anyway.
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rock on you Aussie bastards...but New Zealanders still suck
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I hope America gets all the violence. :P
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we love teh violence
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^^^Yessir. The sex? not so much.
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What\'s mm trying to convince us about fable again?I think he doesnt know either
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that we should perhaps expect more from a 5 year delayed game, and not just plop down 50$ because we\'re supposed to....and THEN make excuses for it
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Man I played this game for hours yesterday. Forget about how long it took for them to make it... its hardly revolutionary and hardly fun at that. I love RPG\'s, and I loved Black and White... but this game didnt even deserve a 8.9 in my book. Maybe 7.5
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that we should perhaps expect more from a 5 year delayed game, and not just plop down 50$ because we\'re supposed to....and THEN make excuses for it
Now you\'re just running in circles.
One, you haven\'t even touched why the 5 year development time matters to you. If you can\'t explain why then just quit saying it.
Two, nobody was forced to buy the game.
Three, what excuses? If you bring up the fact that there were aspects of the game that didn\'t make then you should know that this happens with most all games. Fable happened to be more publicized but that still doesn\'t change the fact.
Four, you haven\'t succeeded in convincing anyone on this board that you have a leg to stand on.
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that we should perhaps expect more from a 5 year delayed game
Why?
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Originally posted by mm
that we should perhaps expect more from a 5 year delayed game, and not just plop down 50$ because we\'re supposed to....and THEN make excuses for it
Why not since its fun and enjoyable?Why should a gamer not let himself have this experience when its a good one?I mean look.They seem to like this game.They dont seem to regret it.I would have bought it too if I had the chance since it seems to be a nice experience
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Originally posted by Ginko
Why?
I don\'t know. because they worked on it for five years. Nevermind that for those five years they kept telling us it\'d be so amazing we\'d get orgasms from just looking at it in the store.
And that\'s a direct quote. I\'ll get a link.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I don\'t know. because they worked on it for five years.
I\'ve already heard this at least a dozen times in this thread. What I\'m asking is how that\'s relevant to anyone\'s experience with the game?
I brought up Star Ocean III earlier, a game that was also in development for five years...should I have expected more just because it was in development longer than most rpgs?
So, if I have two stellar games in front of me I should judge them based on the development time? The game with the shorter development time wins?
Like I\'ve been telling mm, you should really explain yourself if you\'re going to make such comments.
Nevermind that for those five years they kept telling us it\'d be so amazing we\'d get orgasms from just looking at it in the store.
And that\'s a direct quote. I\'ll get a link.
-Dan
Well, since you\'re going to go ahead and say it\'s a direct quote you should supply the link.
But how is reading into the developers hype any different than reading into media hype which most of you claim to be above?
"...so amazing we\'d get orgasms from just looking at it in the store."
Sure sounds like hype to me, so sorry you made yourself a victim...guess it will completely ruin your play time with Fable.
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Just to broaden the spectrum why don\'t we look into other types of media? Are you guys also so gullible when it comes to movies and music?
Do you judge the quality of the media based on the production/development time and pre-release hype? Do you judge your favorite album/movie by sales?
If [insert artist/director/whatever] tells you "...so amazing we\'d get orgasms from just looking at it...". Do you buy in to it or are video games the exception?
And don\'t bother saying they\'re all different, it\'s entertainment media.
Discuss:)
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mm explain himself... :laughing: you been smoking pot dood?
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amen
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Originally posted by Ginko
I\'ve...
Heh, two things. One, the orgasm quote claim was unfounded. I made it up as an exaggerated example of the truth and lied about a link because I thought it was obviously false. Two, your posts give me a headache.
The fact is they\'ve been working on Fable for a long time and the final thing does not reflect that period. To make that point simpler, we\'ll generalize. "Despite working on it forever, Fable sucks."
Leading into it, one might have thought that with all the time they put into it, there\'d be something to show for it.
That would be what we call common sense.
But not in this case. Because for common sense to apply, we\'re assuming that the developers were doing something productive during that lengthy development cycle. In Fable\'s case, after five years, the game still looks rushed, unfinished, and not fully realized.
The developers wanted to achieve more, but weren\'t able to. I wanted to play something better, but I\'m not able to.
Understand?
The point is Fable is decent, but not great. The development time would lead one to think otherwise, but let\'s not forget the point: that Fable is not great.
What\'s the big deal? There isn\'t one.
It\'s just another average, run-of-the-mill, play-it-and-forget-it game.
When I drop $50 on a game, I look for something better.
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And then when I find it, it\'s glitched or my goddamn PS2 craps out... Arrgh...
Anyway, as for sales numbers, I don\'t use them to judge quality. I use the game to judge quality and sales to judge how well something sells.
I use other\'s opinions to sometimes save myself from wasting $50 by trying to gauge if I\'d like the game beforehand. Five years ago, Fable sounded great. Now, it doesn\'t.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Heh, two things. One, the orgasm quote claim was unfounded. I made it up as an exaggerated example of the truth and lied about a link because I thought it was obviously false. Two, your posts give me a headache.
I would say I\'m sorry, but...
The fact is they\'ve been working on Fable for a long time and the final thing does not reflect that period. To make that point simpler, we\'ll generalize. "Despite working on it forever, Fable sucks."
How do you judge any game based on development time? When you break it down by genre do you have to break it down by features? Number of people working on it?
If said game takes longer than set time should I assume it\'s because the developers are making it better? How do I tell if it\'s simply a delay?
The development time rests on the developers\' shoulders, not ours. They had to put in the time to make it, we simply got to read about it until now. I suppose one could consider it a burden...no matter how ridiculous that might sound.
The reviewers managed to judge the game based on its\' merits and faults...not on the shoulda/coulda/woulda.
I don\'t think I could be a gamer if I judged every game by what might have been, I\'d be in a constant state of disappoinment. Then again I\'d have no one to blame but myself...I might turn out like mm. /shudders
Leading into it, one might have thought that with all the time they put into it, there\'d be something to show for it.
That would be what we call common sense.
But not in this case. Because for common sense to apply, we\'re assuming that the developers were doing something productive during that lengthy development cycle. In Fable\'s case, after five years, the game still looks rushed, unfinished, and not fully realized.
There is something to show for it, you can go out and buy Fable right now if you wanted to.
How much of that development cycle did you sit in on? Did they make you get their coffee or something? I can\'t think of any other reason why you would complain about it?
The developers wanted to achieve more, but weren\'t able to.
And the game turns out to garner an average 9.0 regardless. Again, what\'s the big deal on development time?
I wanted to play something better, but I\'m not able to.
Understand?
What are you comparing it to? I suppose it doesn\'t matter as your grounds for argument would be entirely subjective.
The point is Fable is decent, but not great. The development time would lead one to think otherwise, but let\'s not forget the point: that Fable is not great.
What\'s the big deal? There isn\'t one.
Who made it a big deal in the first place? It seems that you and mm are the ones who can\'t seem to get around the idea that Fable should be judged on what it is, not what it isn\'t. You either enjoy it or you don\'t, like any other game.
It\'s just another average, run-of-the-mill, play-it-and-forget-it game.
When I drop $50 on a game, I look for something better.
Again, subjective.
And then when I find it, it\'s glitched or my goddamn PS2 craps out... Arrgh...
boo hoo...Welcome to the age of technology, so glad you could join the rest of us.
Anyway, as for sales numbers, I don\'t use them to judge quality. I use the game to judge quality and sales to judge how well something sells.
This entire post tells me that\'s BS.
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Opinions are subjective. My opinion is Fable isn\'t good enough.
Fable also proves that development time doesn\'t neccesarily relate to quality.
That\'s all I\'ve been saying, and I think mm, too. How it gets so wordy, I don\'t know.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Fable also proves that development time doesn\'t neccesarily relate to quality.
It doesn\'t necessarily reflect anything.
That\'s all I\'ve been saying, and I think mm, too. How it gets so wordy, I don\'t know.
-Dan
You just tried to justify why someone should consider development time when judging the game.
mm has been telling us that the game is a turd and that the sales will reflect the failure of the game without so much as playing it. You do not share common ideas with mm on this one, you\'d know that if you bothered to read the whole thread.
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Opinions are subjective. My opinion is Fable isn\'t good enough.
Good enough in what regards? What might have been? How does one judge something they never had?
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Originally posted by Ginko
Good enough in what regards? What might have been? How does one judge something they never had?
Oh, I see your point. Fable is awesome.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Oh, I see your point. Fable is awesome.
-Dan
I don\'t think you do.
I haven\'t once said that Fable is awesome, I\'ve refered to the reviews everytime...which happen to be synonomous. My conclusion is that Fable is not a bad game, perhaps not for everyone but in no way a poor game.
By all means, judge the game for yourself. Halberto said he didn\'t like the game, that\'s fine by me.
The idea of judging a game with what would/could, even given time, is hardly substantial...it\'s just silly.
btw, have you even played Fable or were you just riding on mm\'s ass?
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i played black and white
therefore, i played fable
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lol, your really going on quite a bit of a stretch there mm
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really?
overly hyped, long delayed, peter M title
which game am i speaking of?
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Originally posted by mm
i played black and white
therefore, i played fable
Man thats one of the stupiest comments I ve ever heard from you :eek:
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Originally posted by mm
it has flopped, 5 years of hype for 240k in sales? i could put a turd in a green box call it xbox exclusive and it would sell that little.
what was the last xbox title to sell a million in a week, btw?
this was supposed to be the be all-end all of RPG gaming dont forget
this coming from the man who hates blockbuster movies and constantly has to tell us how stupid we are for looking at movies that the grand public watches, kind of hypocritical don\'t you think?
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If I don\'t like something because there\'s not enough there, that makes perfect sense. Imagine if Grand Theft Auto Vice City had one house, two bad guys, and one mission.
If it still played exactly as it does now, it should be great, right? No, it\'d suck because there was nothing to it. We\'d say that if they added an entire city and made a ton more missions and side quests, then it\'d be great.
That\'s like Fable. What\'s there shows the potential of greatness, but it\'s not fully realized.
Reviews I\'ve read point out how you can\'t fully explore the world and make obvious how the role playing aspects are superficial. You can blow right through the game or you can putz around pissing off little children and wooing ladies, but in the end it doesn\'t matter.
I also find the graphics a bit lacking and think the character changes are pretty silly. A bit more evolution in character would have been nice. Tattoos and horns don\'t do much for me.
Remember, I\'m juding Fable by what is there. That\'s why I\'m not impressed. What should or could be there would have made it better.
And no I haven\'t played it. Can\'t afford to, heh. But I\'ve already said that fun doesn\'t mean good. I\'m still finishing up Pirates: The Legend of Black Kat by EA and despite questionable controls and repetitive gameplay and environments, I\'m enjoying it most all the time.
-Dan
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^^
Instead of making assumptions without even playing the game, thanks to some reviews that describe how it should have been if it was a perfect 10/10, I suggest trying it.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
If I don\'t like something because there\'s not enough there, that makes perfect sense. Imagine if Grand Theft Auto Vice City had one house, two bad guys, and one mission.
If it still played exactly as it does now, it should be great, right? No, it\'d suck because there was nothing to it. We\'d say that if they added an entire city and made a ton more missions and side quests, then it\'d be great.
That\'s like Fable. What\'s there shows the potential of greatness, but it\'s not fully realized.
Reviews I\'ve read point out how you can\'t fully explore the world and make obvious how the role playing aspects are superficial. You can blow right through the game or you can putz around pissing off little children and wooing ladies, but in the end it doesn\'t matter.
I also find the graphics a bit lacking and think the character changes are pretty silly. A bit more evolution in character would have been nice. Tattoos and horns don\'t do much for me.
Remember, I\'m juding Fable by what is there. That\'s why I\'m not impressed. What should or could be there would have made it better.
And no I haven\'t played it. Can\'t afford to, heh. But I\'ve already said that fun doesn\'t mean good. I\'m still finishing up Pirates: The Legend of Black Kat by EA and despite questionable controls and repetitive gameplay and environments, I\'m enjoying it most all the time.
-Dan
Now you\'ve moved your argument to why you don\'t favor the game...without even playing it but I\'ll leave that alone.
I could care less what you personally think about the game, that was never the point. I\'ve been trying to grasp on to the idea that Fable SHOULD have turned out in such a way given its\' development time? I don\'t think you can determine that, you might expect something but that\'s hardly concrete, and for the last 10 pages nobody has convinced me otherwise.
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If nobody knew this game was in development and appeared in the shops a month ago when it was least expected nobody would have made such a big fuss.I dont know whats the point of argueing when its a good game(who cares if its not perfect.They are rare anyways) and gamers want good games?
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Exactly, and using the whole development time thing in reverse would be like saying that a bad game is better if it had a short development time...or that a good game is better because of a short development period...it just doesn\'t qualify.
The only point I\'ve come to agree with in this thread is that Peter M. shouldn\'t have opened his mouth so much.
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i can see the point of a few tho...even tho it\'s nothing to get your panties twisted...not to change the subject but i\'am highly lookin\' forward to gta san andreas...now that is a game where they are promisiing massive amounts of s**t to do and all kinds of features being implemented...now if any of those ideas don\'t make it,...right now..i\'d have to say yea, i\'d be a little pissed..only because all of the features that has been stated are incredible..
would it still be good game if some features are left out? of course,..but i would be a little irritated because of the features that i was REALLY lookin\' forward to weren\'t in there...now i haven\'t played the game,... but i don\'t need to to see the argument that mm & eiksirf are making..if in fact that this is the argument they are making...
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Originally posted by clips
i can see the point of a few tho...even tho it\'s nothing to get your panties twisted...not to change the subject but i\'am highly lookin\' forward to gta san andreas...now that is a game where they are promisiing massive amounts of s**t to do and all kinds of features being implemented...now if any of those ideas don\'t make it,...right now..i\'d have to say yea, i\'d be a little pissed..only because all of the features that has been stated are incredible..
would it still be good game if some features are left out? of course,..but i would be a little irritated because of the features that i was REALLY lookin\' forward to weren\'t in there...now i haven\'t played the game,... but i don\'t need to to see the argument that mm & eiksirf are making..if in fact that this is the argument they are making...
mm is saying that the game is a failure because of the development time and that those features didn\'t make it in. Eik is going all over the place and I\'m not quite sure where he stands on either issue, he\'s just trying to be a smartass. Nevermind neither of them has played it.
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Remember, I\'m juding Fable by what is there.
How can you judge it if you haven\'t played what is there? How do you go about qualifying what was left out?
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Imagine if Grand Theft Auto Vice City had one house, two bad guys, and one mission.
now there\'s a man with vision
again, how long was fable delayed for what it contains? :rolleyes:
anything less is an excuse
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Its obvious you read only what you want to read.
"Fable not offering what they promised"(which ofcourse has to do with hype) is different than "an excessively restriced game with no gameplay".Fable features freedom.Just not the freedom promised.And it has nice gameplay.Please go away
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freedom? i
oh yeah, you\'re free to make decisions and those decisions affect your character. like thats never been done before.
shine that turd all you want, gonna collect dust very soon
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Originally posted by Ginko
I\'ve been trying to grasp on to the idea that Fable SHOULD have turned out in such a way given its\' development time?
Let\'s try this...
If I study for a test for one minute, I\'ll fail.
If I study for five years I\'ll get a hundred.
If I work out for one day, I won\'t show any results.
If I work out for five years, I\'ll be in great shape.
If I make Fable in one year, it\'ll be rushed and unfinished.
If I make Fable for five years........
You could appropriately expect more than you\'ve been given.
That\'s why development time even came up. It\'s just disappointing that with all the time its taken, they don\'t have more to show.
How you can\'t grasp that concept is beyond me, but if you can\'t, it\'s still ok. The bottomline is Fable is a fun game with its flaws.
I\'ll hang on to my fifty bucks for a better title, or spend it on 2 or 3 fun games with flaws.
It\'s still no big deal, but we can\'t seem to move on can we?
-Dan
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wow to some extent you make sense. but you guys obviously missed the point. I will go out on the limb and try to make some sense of this.
I never said Fable was the best game, I don\'t even recall anyone saying it. No one here is trying to paint the picture that Fable is the best RPG of its time, cause that would be a flat out lie. However, it still warrants playing, it\'s not like its a bad game.
At first this was amusing, but I\'m kinda disapointed by the arguments...
It didn\'t live up to the hype, I conceded that, most people here conceded it. That\'s not the point, to devalue this game to a turd is absurd. The game is disapointing, no doubt. That aside, it\'s still a game that\'s enjoyable for what it DOES give you.
It\'s a quality game, period.
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not saying you said anything, but LOTS of people (including peter M) said fable would be the best thing since sliced bread
i mean, come on, it took 5 years to make. hello?
The game is disapointing, no doubt.
i rest my case
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Hurricane hit it on the head.:) But disappointing in what regard? That you assumed there would be more?
Eiksirf, none of the points you made are necessarily true. The rest of your post can be answered by reading back through mine, maybe a second time through you\'ll get it.
mm, you still don\'t have a clue what you\'re argueing do you?
You could appropriately expect more than you\'ve been given.
That\'s why development time even came up. It\'s just disappointing that with all the time its taken, they don\'t have more to show.
I\'m going to ask this one more time, how do you qualify time spent on Fable versus what it is? No generalizations, this is Fable versus the time spent developing it.
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Disapointed about the removed features and lack of freedom. I reiterate though, it is still a quality game. It still gives you that sense of enjoyment when you play it, but you know in the back of your head it could have been better. That\'s Fable in a nutshell.
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^That I can agree with.
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Don’t know who said it. But I got to agree, whining about a game you don\'t own and even more so about the features left out rather then the ones that are in.. is truly sad...
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souly, some also asked you to please stick to giving bad advice in the PC forum, thanks
i know you havent played it either, as oz gets stuff like 7 years after the rest of the civilized world
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Have we run out of arguements?Not that you had any,
There are USA residents in these boards that are disagreeing with you too.I hope that tells something.
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mm you\'re a troll.. Always have been always will be..
Keep playing with yourself. At least that’s one thing you\'re a master of. :jack:
oh, and it doesn\'t matter if I’ve played it or not, I’m reserving judgment till I do. As you can see, i haven\'t once said it’s good or bad. I\'ve simply said only very lame people pass judgment on something they\'ve never played before... very sad indeed.
When you start giving pc advice :laughing: (like u could) u can start baggin mine..
ps.. Go look up the murder and crime rate in the states, divide it by your population, then do the same to australia and tell me which country is more "civilized" nuff said. It\'s ok, i mean after all, you\'re country was founded of war.. and seems to love it.
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americans love a good fight, cant blame them for that
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What a stupid comment
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shouldn\'t be so hard on yourself
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Originally posted by mm
shouldn\'t be so hard on yourself
Heh, that one cracked me up.
Ginko, I can\'t teach you common sense.
Fable took a long time, but it doesn\'t reflect that. You see it and so does everyone else. With all that time, a developer who knew what they were doing would have produced a better game.
Or a game and its sequel.
-Dan
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Just like how Duke Nukem Forever will be the greatest game ever!
Or perhaps Half-Life 2 will, either way.
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Duke Nukem forever will be the greatest game ever though. ;)
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Just like how Duke Nukem Forever will be the greatest game ever!
Or perhaps Half-Life 2 will, either way.
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Originally posted by mm
shouldn\'t be so hard on yourself
You are the mod who is gaining negative reactions from forum members all the time
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admin
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Ginko, I can\'t teach you common sense.
Fable took a long time, but it doesn\'t reflect that. You see it and so does everyone else. With all that time, a developer who knew what they were doing would have produced a better game.
Or a game and its sequel.
Thanks bobo...
Just like how Duke Nukem Forever will be the greatest game ever!
Or perhaps Half-Life 2 will, either way.
Just so we all get settled on this perhaps eiksirf could tell us exactly what we should expect from Half-Life 2 and if it doesn\'t met up to the "time criteria" how we should appropriately be disappointed. I take it this won\'t be a problem for you considering you A)Haven\'t played that one either and B)Know how long it\'s been in development.
I\'ll be waiting;)
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personally, i wouldn\'t compare dev time between console and PC titles
two different platforms
a. he very well could have played HL2, the beta was leaked months ago. hell, just watching some of the 20 minute trailers is enough. obviously there is very scriptd sequences and open environments (unlike *cough* fable)
b. HL2 has been in development since shortly after HL came out. took me all of 5 seconds to figure that one out, genious
oh, and nice way to change the topic
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Heh, that one cracked me up.
Ginko, I can\'t teach you common sense.
Fable took a long time, but it doesn\'t reflect that. You see it and so does everyone else. With all that time, a developer who knew what they were doing would have produced a better game.
Or a game and its sequel.
-Dan
damnit, is it really so hard to understand?
he never disagreed with you on that....
it\'s just that that\'s not his point. Is he disappointed in the way Fable turned out? yes, because it could have been a lot better (given the development time ;) ). With that being said, does he think it\'s a bad game? No, he still likes it, it\'s just not as good as he would like it to be, but good enough (subjective)
in short: the game should have been 10/10, instead it was 9/10 (at least to him)
wouldn\'t you play a game that got 9/10?
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I don\'t know anything about Half-Life and Duke Nukem doesn\'t do much for me either. First person shooters aren\'t generally my thing.
Politiepet, if that\'s what he\'s saying he has a funny way of doing it. I agree with everything you just said, heh.
Except I wouldn\'t necessarily play a game because of a rating. My personal tastes and cash flow figure in, heh.
Like Halo 2 is going to go over huge, but I\'m not buying it.
-Dan
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personally, i wouldn\'t compare dev time between console and PC titles
They\'re games, period.
HL2 has been in development since shortly after HL came out. took me all of 5 seconds to figure that one out, genious
Then I suppose that purely based on yours and eik\'s time arguement that the game MUST be of a certain calibur to make up for all that time? That it can\'t just be any game, it has to be an exemplary.
oh, and nice way to change the topic
Look back through the thread, I\'ve been trying to open your eyes to something other than Fable for a while just to see how stupid your arguement really is.
Thanks, politepet. I suppose it would take someone other than me for him to agree with.
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Originally posted by mm
admin
Even worse
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when I flex my muscle the chicks giggle at me and ooohhh so whatcha doing later... That added to the fact that this has never happened to me in the "real" world I have to say makes Fable the greatest RPG of all week for me!!
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quote:personally, i wouldn\'t compare dev time between console and PC titles
They\'re games, period.
games on different platforms...
completely different environments
think of how many different configurations PC games have to work on, and how many console games have to work on.
REALLY makes you wonder wtf they did for 5 years developing a console game...oh wait, you dont
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Originally posted by Ginko
Then I suppose that purely based on yours and eik\'s time arguement that the game MUST be of a certain calibur to make up for all that time?
One would hope so. But as Fable has shown, some developers can\'t pull it off if they have five months or five years.
To take something I\'m familiar with, look at all the delays on great Nintendo games and lengthy development time on many of Rare\'s classics.
Guess I\'ve just been conditioned to expect greatness. Pity.
-Dan
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REALLY makes you wonder wtf they did for 5 years developing a console game...oh wait, you dont
and there you go, only took you 10 pages to get it.
eik, exactly how much better do you think those games turned out? I don\'t remember every delayed Nintendo/Rare game of the past getting a perfect 10...so then you have to ask how good is it for the time development...which is a ridiculous question.:)
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No, a good game is a good game regardless of how long it takes to develop. A lengthy development time should, however, indicate that a game will be good. (Unless the developer is lowsy.)
Look at it this way: rushed games suck. Why? Because they needed more development time? Hmm..
-Dan
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No, a good game is a good game regardless of how long it takes to develop.
That\'s all you needed to say.
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Oh my God...
I think we may have... resolved something... online.
...
I don\'t think that\'s ever been done before. ;]
-Dan
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mm, if you don\'t even plan on buying the game, why does it bother you so much? If you did plan on buying it, were you really that bored for 5 years, there were plenty of other games that came out between then and now.
All I\'m saying is that, I waited just like everyone else here, but I didn\'t anticipate every second, that would be dumb and a waste of time. I have friends with countdown clocks to Halo 2, and I think it\'s sad. I expect Halo 2 to be disapointing, I mean, I honestly didn\'t think the first one brought anything new. However it was fun to play, and enjoyment means more than anything. You can\'t put a price on enjoyment.
I\'m not one to call people out, but why bitch about a game you don\'t even own?
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The amazing part is I got so close to the end and have since got sidetracked and since have yet to actually finish the game.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Oh my God...
I think we may have... resolved something... online.
...
I don\'t think that\'s ever been done before. ;]
-Dan
ROFLMAO! :)
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why bitch about fable?
cause suckers who support it will continue the trend of pathetically delayed games that end up being half-assed anyways.
oh, and because peter M. belongs in the closet.
i have mixed feelings on halo 2. halo was a fantasic co-op game (aside from the eye punishing fps), untill it was beat, then it has zero replayability.
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splinter cell 3 better not suck!! :cursin:
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Originally posted by mm
why bitch about fable?
cause suckers who support it will continue the trend of pathetically delayed games that end up being half-assed anyways.
oh, and because peter M. belongs in the closet.
1)You just insulted 80% of the forum members
2)Nobody bought the game because of the hype
3)Nobody enjoys the game thanks to a delusion caused from the hype.If they play the game and it sucks they will know
4)Gamers search for good games regardless the development time
5)Whats you problem if people like the game?Should they not like or enjoy it because it\'s not as perfect as it should have been?Who are you to tell others what they should enjoy or not?
Oh as for the PC vs Console you seem to forget that consoles have outdated hardware compared to PCs.So things arent as easy as you make it look like for console development
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What he means is...
We\'re stuck with crap today like Britney Spears, SNL movies, American Idol, and endless reality shows...
Whatever they feed us and gobble up is what they\'ll keep feeding us...
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^Different discussion and has nothing to do specifically with Fable.He brings up issues the wrong moment in the wrong thread
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2)Nobody bought the game because of the hype
nobody? :laughing:
ashford - 1
unicron - 0
oh, and do not even try to compare console to PC architecture.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
^Different discussion and has nothing to do specifically with Fable.He brings up issues the wrong moment in the wrong thread
I\'m just explaining what he\'s bascially saying...
If you keep buying long delayed games, where\'s the incentive for them to work faster, next time?
If you keep buying crap, they\'ll keep selling crap...
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If you keep buying crap, they\'ll keep selling crap...
Here\'s the kicker...Fable isn\'t crap.
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To you maybe, but to mm it is.
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im not alone....
fable is a letdown, make all the excuses you want to justify your purchase
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Man you are FUNNY.You say its a letdown without even playing the game.And you are trying to prove the people who have playied the game and like it that its crap.
Nobody said its perfect.
The very same people you are disagreeing with already said and accepted the fact that its not as good as P.M promised.I am still trying to figure out why on earth even after these people agreed on that you are still trying to convince them its crap.
Yes its a letdwon considering the things P.M promised and the time of development spent.But seeing it generally as a game these dont change the fact that its a good game.Just not as good
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I didn\'t say Fable is crap...
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Originally posted by Bozco
To you maybe, but to mm it is.
He can\'t possibly justify it without having played it. Even if he did play it to label it as garbage he\'d have to discern what it is about the gamelplay, graphics, etc. that make it crap.
The reviews have been in for well over two weeks now, Fable is not crap by any means. Disappointing, I\'ll give him that. Any game can be disappointing.
Ashford, it just seemed like you were suggesting it. My mistake.
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Ashford:Then whatever mm is trying to say has nothing to do with Fable
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hello peter M? meet the closet.
A message from Peter Molyneux.
There is something I have to say. And I have to say it because I love making games. When a game is in development, myself and the development teams I work with constantly encourage each other to think of the best features and the most ground-breaking design possible.
However, what happens is that we strive to include absolutely everything we\'ve ever dreamt of and, in my enthusiasm, I talk about it to anyone who\'ll listen, mainly in press interviews. When I tell people about what we\'re planning, I\'m telling the truth, and people, of course, expect to see all the features I\'ve mentioned. And when some of the most ambitious ideas get altered, redesigned or even dropped, people rightly want to know what happened to them.
If I have mentioned any feature in the past which, for whatever reason, didn\'t make it as I described into Fable, I apologise. Every feature I have ever talked about WAS in development, but not all made it. Often the reason is that the feature did not make sense. For example, three years ago I talked about trees growing as time past. The team did code this but it took so much processor time (15%) that the feature was not worth leaving in. That 15 % was much better spent on effects and combat. So nothing I said was groundless hype, but people expecting specific features which couldn\'t be included were of course disappointed. If that\'s you, I apologise. All I can say is that Fable is the best game we could possibly make, and that people really seem to love it.
I have come to realise that I should not talk about features too early so I am considering not talking about games as early as I do. This will mean that the Lionhead games will not be known about as early as they are, but I think this is the more industry standard.
Our job as the Lionhead family of studios is to be as ambitious as we possibly can. But although we jump up and down in glee about the fabulous concepts and features we\'re working on, I will not mention them to the outside world until we\'ve implemented and tested them, and they are a reality.
Thank you for reading.
Peter.
oh, and 10 hour RPG\'s = letdown
thanks for playing
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oh, and 10 hour RPG\'s = letdown
well, first you should know or remember from the 20 times I mentioned it that Fable is an adventure/rpg. You\'ve been playing games long enough, I trust you can make the distinction between a traditional RPG and an Adventure game.
oh, and people who whine and bring up meaningless points = trolls.
Please go back to your cave.
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yeah, your mom is waiting to cook my dinner
oh, and who\'s the last dev to PUBLICALLY apologize for a game?
:laughing:
honestly, after that, you have nothing to stand on
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Originally posted by mm
hello peter M? meet the closet.
A message from Peter Molyneux.
There is something I have to say. And I have to say it because I love making games. When a game is in development, myself and the development teams I work with constantly encourage each other to think of the best features and the most ground-breaking design possible.
However, what happens is that we strive to include absolutely everything we\'ve ever dreamt of and, in my enthusiasm, I talk about it to anyone who\'ll listen, mainly in press interviews. When I tell people about what we\'re planning, I\'m telling the truth, and people, of course, expect to see all the features I\'ve mentioned. And when some of the most ambitious ideas get altered, redesigned or even dropped, people rightly want to know what happened to them.
If I have mentioned any feature in the past which, for whatever reason, didn\'t make it as I described into Fable, I apologise. Every feature I have ever talked about WAS in development, but not all made it. Often the reason is that the feature did not make sense. For example, three years ago I talked about trees growing as time past. The team did code this but it took so much processor time (15%) that the feature was not worth leaving in. That 15 % was much better spent on effects and combat. So nothing I said was groundless hype, but people expecting specific features which couldn\'t be included were of course disappointed. If that\'s you, I apologise. All I can say is that Fable is the best game we could possibly make, and that people really seem to love it.
I have come to realise that I should not talk about features too early so I am considering not talking about games as early as I do. This will mean that the Lionhead games will not be known about as early as they are, but I think this is the more industry standard.
Our job as the Lionhead family of studios is to be as ambitious as we possibly can. But although we jump up and down in glee about the fabulous concepts and features we\'re working on, I will not mention them to the outside world until we\'ve implemented and tested them, and they are a reality.
Thank you for reading.
Peter.
oh, and 10 hour RPG\'s = letdown
thanks for playing
Do you know how do I answer to all that?I just copy paste my previous post.
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, your mom is waiting to cook my dinner
oh, and who\'s the last dev to PUBLICALLY apologize for a game?
:laughing:
honestly, after that, you have nothing to stand on
Read it again, mm. Don\'t just pick out what you want to read.
He said it\'s a good game and he\'s glad people are enjoying it. I\'ll point to the reviews, AGAIN. The game based on what it is is decidely better than average.
He\'s appologizing for all the stuff he said they were working on that people were looking forward to(the hype) and didn\'t make it in.
Please, read what you post...especially if you plan to make an arguement off of it.
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Peter M learned a lesson, not us.
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lesson was: why pay 50$ for a overly hyped, long delayed, properly fluffed, peter M title (that he had to apologize for)
btw, is he the 1st dev to ever apoligize for a title? i swear he has to be
also, what were it\'s 2nd week sales?
better yet, how many 2nd hand copies turned up on ebay? or places like gamestop or funcoland?
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I take it you\'re not going to read the letter again, huh?
Oh well, I would say nice try but it wasn\'t.
also, what were it\'s 2nd week sales?
better yet, how many 2nd hand copies turned up on ebay? or places like gamestop or funcoland?
:laughing:
Have the second week sales been posted for Fable, have they even been brought up for any game? Usually when a critical game has been released they look at first week sales, usually don\'t publicize anything afterwards. Wait until a Sept. sales chart comes out before you go throwing this around.
Many people sell their games or trade them in when they finish with them, most game shops have a trade-in policy of two weeks.
I can\'t believe you would even mention that...so silly.
Please, mm. Just get over it.
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And if 2nd hand Fables appeared on ebay or wherever that would have meant that the many people who bought it the first week and afterwards want to get rid of the game because its crap ;)
It seems they dont want to
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exactly, beat the game in 10 hours, and dump it
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Gotcha.Then you believe its crap
I guess MGS is crap becuase I can finish it in a few hours.
Oh Silent Hill 1 and 3 too.Dont forget Resi2.Or Resi1.What about ZOE2?Damn I only buy crap games ;)
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Gotcha.Then you believe its crap
I guess MGS is crap becuase I can finish it in a few hours.
Oh Silent Hill 1 and 3 too.Dont forget Resi2.Or Resi1.What about ZOE2?Damn I only buy crap games ;)
Hell, I\'ve finished all my RPG\'s in under two weeks (save for final fantasy tactics advanced).
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And Ryu has finished FF7 in 2 days ;)
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Well, then it\'s certainly garbage if one person can finish it in two days. I suppose it\'s not as excellent as I thought it was...pity, I really liked it.
/nonsense
/ridiculous
/shrug shoulders
/:laughing:
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did u beat ff7 the 1st time in 2 days?
or "Silent Hill 1 and 3 too.Dont forget Resi2.Or Resi1.What about ZOE2?"
:rolleyes:
how many of those games took 5 years to dev?
oooh, what about pitfall for atari 2600, i can beat that in 20 minutes!!!
honesty, your argument is downright pathetic and a waste of my time
god, i feel like kindergarden cop all of a sudden
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Originally posted by mm
did u beat ff7 the 1st time in 2 days?
THE GAME CAN BE BEAT IN 2 DAYS! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR ARGUEMENT THAT FABLE CAN BE BEAT IN 10 HOURS.
Just to cut you off, you can\'t compare play time on a standard turn based RPG with an adventure RPG...so there.
or "Silent Hill 1 and 3 too.Dont forget Resi2.Or Resi1.What about ZOE2?"
:rolleyes:
how many of those games took 5 years to dev?
honesty, your argument is downright pathetic and a waste of my time
god, i feel like kindergarden cop all of a sudden [/B]
Deja vu. I\'ve already addressed this, please take a stroll through the thread.
EDIT:
I\'m not sure why this didn\'t cross my mind before, but what exactly are you looking for me to agree with? I obviously haven\'t been able to make well enough sense out of your arguement and it seems you can\'t either since you refuse to reinforce it with reason.
What do you want?
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Ryu DID finish FF7 in 2 days the first time if I remember well
I finished Silent Hill 1 in 3 days without intense playing.
I finished silent hill 2 in 2 days without intense playing
I finished silent hill 3 in 2 days without intense playing
I finished ZOE2 in 2 days without intense playing
I cant comment on Resi1 becuase I was 13 years old and I crapped my pants everytime I tried to play the game since it was my first experience to the survival horror genre.
And as we said earlier what would you think about the game if you didnt know it took 5 years to appear in stores?The gamer cares about owning a good game.He doesnt care about the time it took for the developers to get it developed
MGS1 also was in development since 1995 if I am not mistaken.Perhaps even earlier if we take the script and structure they were planning for the game before the programers started working on the code.It was released near the end of 1998(or was it 1999).It took less than 10 hours to finish and half of the game involved cut scenes and conversations over the codec.Yet it was one of my greatest gaming experience ever.
Fable unlike MGS1 took a lot more risks, trying to offer something completely new and P.M was stupid enough to talk about them with confidence as if they were easy to implement.
What we got is a game that have passed more risks than most other games.At the end we got a Fable that is above average and getting scores around 8.5.Its just not perfect.
I would have bought it thats for sure.
Also FFX offered nothing new.It was great,But it was a 32-bit game with 128 bit graphics.But I enjoyied it.It got a 6 or 7 out of 10 in EDGE and if I remember well a 7 or an 8 in the UK Official PS2 magazine.Still a nice purchase.
Now you will say "But FFX needs lots of hours to finish"
Atleast Fable although short offers nice gameplay and a few nice ideas according to people who have playied the game.
Shouldnt you start trashing games that dont offer anything you in terms of gameplay too if you care so much about gaming?
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is SH an action/rpg?
did it take 5 years to dev?
ryu did NOT finish ff7 in two days 1st time thru (unless he cheated with a guild)
moot points, all of them
try again, and please stop trying to alter the point at hand with crap to save your dead argument
why are you comparing it to SH? why are you comparing it to ff7?
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^heh
*watches mm scramble around in that deep hole he\'s made himself.
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hole? you twits are digging the hole.
or grasping at straws, you choose
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Originally posted by mm
is SH an action/rpg?
did it take 5 years to dev?
ryu did NOT finish ff7 in two days 1st time thru (unless he cheated with a guild)
moot points, all of them
try again, and please stop trying to alter the point at hand with crap to save your dead argument
why are you comparing it to SH? why are you comparing it to ff7?
I\'m not proceeding any further and repeating my points until you answer this:
"I\'m not sure why this didn\'t cross my mind before, but what exactly are you looking for me to agree with? I obviously haven\'t been able to make well enough sense out of your arguement and it seems you can\'t either since you refuse to reinforce it with reason.
What do you want?"
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i want to you stop comparing fable to epic hardcore RPG\'s or action/adventure games like SH to change the subjet at hand
which is, why a 5 year delayed, overly hyped peter M game only lasts 10 hours the 1ST time thru it, and he HAD to apologize for it
and lastly, that its a letdown
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Originally posted by mm
is SH an action/rpg?
did it take 5 years to dev?
ryu did NOT finish ff7 in two days 1st time thru (unless he cheated with a guild)
moot points, all of them
try again, and please stop trying to alter the point at hand with crap to save your dead argument
why are you comparing it to SH? why are you comparing it to ff7?
1)Because the amount a game needs to finish is not always the biggest issue.These were examples that proove that
2)Because we dont care as much about the time that was spent for it.Not that we dont care at all.
Originally posted by mm
i want to you stop comparing fable to epic hardcore RPG\'s or action/adventure games like SH to change the subjet at hand
This has nothing to do with Ginko\'s post.Just with mine.And only my last posts mention other titles.I explained why I mentione these games
which is, why a 5 year delayed, overly hyped peter M game only lasts 10 hours the 1ST time thru it, and he HAD to apologize for it
and lastly, that its a letdown [/B]
when have we disagreed on that?
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oh, about 16 pages ago or we wouldnt be having this conversation
say fable is a big letdown, and i promise i\'ll STFU about it
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Originally posted by mm
i want to you stop comparing fable to epic hardcore RPG\'s or action/adventure games like SH to change the subjet at hand
First of all you are the one drawing the comparison here, the comparison of time development for a video game as if there\'s a standard ratio of development time : play time. If you could actually prove there is such a thing...
Unicron!\'s points are anything but moot, you brought up the discussion of what Fable could be completed in. He just brought up other games and what they could be completed in.
which is, why a 5 year delayed, overly hyped peter M game only lasts 10 hours the 1ST time thru it, and he HAD to apologize for it
Second, you need to get your facts straight if you want me to take you seriously. >>>Fact Check<<< (http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10075&games=119)
1. Fable\'s total development time is 4 years, first shown at E3 in May, 2001.
2. Fable\'s original release date was Fall/Winter 2003, before Christmas. The actual delay time is approx. 9-12 months.
3. The annoucement of Fable\'s delay was in January of 2003
4. The game can last 10 hours, depending entirely on you, the player.
5. Peter didn\'t have to do anything and he certainly didn\'t apologize for the game and the people enjoying it. I already asked you to read that letter more carefully.
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Originally posted by mm
say fable is a big letdown, and i promise i\'ll STFU about it
I can\'t say that and mean it since I haven\'t played it. To the contrary all of my friends who have played it are telling me it\'s one of the best game\'s they\'ve played.
They\'re having fun with it.
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good, i win
my satisfacion is peter M being the 1st ever dev to apologize for a game
just pathetic, call me when shigeru myamoto apologizes for a game
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good, i win
thanks for playing
Just for the record I haven\'t agreed with you on any account and those were your conditions for "winning".
If anything your post now indicates that you refuse to accept the facts I pointed out and would rather roll around in the pile of shit you built up through this thread.
You have proven now more than ever that you are indeed a troll.
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you know fable is a letdown, you refuse to admit it merely in an attempt to drag this out farthur
you call me a troll means very, very little.
should i be offended? insulted?
oh dear god, ginko called me a troll cause i refuse to support half-assed devs like peter M and hope the gaming industry keeps pumping crap like fable out.
fable will be an afterthought, like so many other xbox exclusives
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Originally posted by mm
oh, about 16 pages ago or we wouldnt be having this conversation
say fable is a big letdown, and i promise i\'ll STFU about it
Man I agree its a letdown considering what was promised and what was offered.I agree on that.But certaintly its not crap.Its still a good game.Its not like the dissapointment for example DMC fans got when they playied DMC2.Its not trash.Its not logical to try and convince people who have playied the game that its trash when they find it good
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Fine, should I start calling you a piece of pretentious crap instead? That fits too.
You\'re the one dragging this out trying to get a synonomous agreement that Fable isn\'t a good game when you have so much evidence clearly stating otherwise. My arguement was never against you being let down by Fable but rather in saying that Fable is a letdown as if a fact.
Your ego is bruised because you weren\'t right, I just enjoy kicking you while you\'re down.
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then it was a letdown for you also,
fully agreed
and dont give me that "oh, i have to play it, crap"
we\'re not kids anymore, we know what to expect before pressing that power button
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Too bad you dont understand
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Do you always put that much spin on everything you see?
From what I can tell Unicron! hasn\'t played the game so he can\'t come to a conclusive decision.
"Fully agreed" he isn\'t.
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we\'re not kids anymore, we know what to expect before pressing that power button
Example???
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dont understand?
you really think you dont know what to expect before pressing that power button?
how naive
you start gaming last year or something?
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I\'m asking you to tell me what to expect...
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Originally posted by mm
dont understand?
you really think you dont know what to expect before pressing that power button?
how naive
you start gaming last year or something?
I know better when I listen to different opinions from gamers who have playied the game than jumping to conclusions as if I know everything and I am the best gamer in the world.
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perhaps i had not read your reply since it came 1 minute before mine
you\'re baiting me. you know exactly what to expect, and it\'s just depressing as a gamer if you dont. even sadder if you dont realize that.
i blame you, and gamers like you for the state that console gaming has become
take a bow
oh, and games prices are being raised to 60$+ as a norm. thanks alot
im basically done with this thread. feel free to leave another post of your trite, moot points
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mm isn\'t he best anything, this thread has been a joke in the making for quite a while.
Ignoring the facts, taking things far out of context with his own sources no less, making predictions, making some silly development time : play time ratio, making exceptions to his own rules, putting words in our mouths such as we agree with him...
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Originally posted by mm
perhaps i had not read your reply since it came 1 minute before mine
you\'re baiting me. you know exactly what to expect, and it\'s just depressing as a gamer if you dont. even sadder if you dont realize that.
i blame you, and gamers like you for the state that console gaming has become
take a bow
oh, and games prices are being raised to 60$+ as a norm. thanks alot
As if PC gaming has been a revolution the past years.We mostly get FPS shooters, racing games that are either ports from consoles or crap, and strategy and simulations.Yep.PC gaming has overtaken consoles.NOT!
I blame gamers lwho prefer PCs because of better graphics
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you\'re baiting me. you know exactly what to expect, and it\'s just depressing as a gamer if you dont. even sadder if you dont realize that.
LOL, I\'ve been baiting you the entire time and you continue to bite. Let me make something perfectly clear for you, I dragged you along in this thread.
It\'s sad that you can\'t even defend your last point, you could have at least gone out fighting...
/ridiculous
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!11