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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on September 08, 2004, 02:12:34 PM
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So who is going to be the surprise team this year? It\'s hard for me to figure out how Tampa is goign to do. So many new faces and preseason being so worthless I really didn\'t watch any of it other than the game I went to.
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Watch out for dem BEARS SUCKAZZ!
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Surprise team: The Jets :D
If that D can get their shit together, they\'re gonna be really good. The offense is gonna REALLY take off this year.
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I think the Panthers will find themselves up for the Superbowl again.. I love the Colts and do think they will be New England come Thursday , but they will not make it to the "big game".
As for Tampa - I think Tampa will be another big dissapointment this year. That team has fell apart since their big Superbowl win.
Oh and one last prediction, laugh as you may, I think the Bengals could very well make playoffs this year.
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I completely agree on the Bengals, as weird as that sounds. Palmer has been looking good, if his first year learning curve isn\'t so bad, they could do things.
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My expectations aren\'t exactly really high with the Niners right now, so its reassuring to know that I won\'t be disappointed. I\'m going to cross my fingers for at least a wild card I guess.
I think the surprise team this year is going to be the Texans.
The bust of the year will be the Eagles.
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Cowboys will get past the first round. Mark my words.
Eddie Jones will help them get there.
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I\'m all up for the Niners. The team isn\'t looking good right now but they are my team and I\'m sticking by them.
The eagles will own though. They have EVERYTHING. They\'re like the Yankees of football.
I can\'t wait until the NFL season starts. I will finally have something to do on sundays.
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The Eagles far from have everything. They won\'t be as good as people think.
And as for Dallas making it past the first round, that team would be a joke if they didn\'t have Parcells. The only reason I\'m not shooting that prediction down is I have learned to never bet against that man, but I don\'t know about the 2nd round for that team yet.
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Lions baby! Barry is coming back! 04\' is our year baby!
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I completely agree on the Bengals, as weird as that sounds. Palmer has been looking good, if his first year learning curve isn\'t so bad, they could do things.
The team has really had a remarkable turn around since a few years ago. Yes, they lost Dillon, but I think that won\'t be *that* big of a deal. They are no Superbowl team, but they are a playoff team, which is a big deal when you\'re talking about the Bengals.
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Originally posted by Halberto
Cowboys will get past the first round. Mark my words.
Eddie Jones will help them get there.
Eddie Jones? :rolleyes: And you call yourself a fan?
By the way... Just because I didn\'t blindly pick the Niners to win the Superbowl or anything is by no means showing that I\'m not backing them anymore. I always have been, and always will be a die-hard Niners fan. I\'m just trying to be realistic; regardless, Go Niners!
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When I was younger, I was a diehard Niner\'s fan and last year, I was a medicore Niner\'s fan, now\'a\'days, well, I try to pretend the Niner\'s don\'t exist, due to a bunch of crap moves on the management\'s part.
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Originally posted by Halberto
Cowboys will get past the first round. Mark my words.
Eddie Jones will help them get there.
yeah I thought eddie jones played basketball....
are you thinking of Julius Jones?
:stick:
Chiefs all the way this year
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I think he\'s talking about Eddie George...
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A combination of the two, perhaps?
Wheover said that the Eagles have "all the parts", well, that\'s ridiculous. All they did was get a Wide Receiver. They lost BOTH of their starting CB\'s, and the rest of their secondary was mediocre at best outside of the Corners. Teams are going to be passing all day on the Eagles, and hell, they weren\'t even that good last year. Had to have a miracle to even make the NFC Title game, where they got whooped on by the Panthers.
Now, a team that DOES have all the tools would have to be the New England Patriots. I really want to see the Chiefs get to the Super Bowl, but as long as the Pats are around, I really don\'t think that\'s going to happen. Unless Gunther really turns around the defense and we do end up trading for Keenan McCardell.
See Yuz.
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Also... Vinny Testaverde is the best the Cowboys have to show at QB right now... Its going to be another year of horrible offense for Dallas.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
A combination of the two, perhaps?
Wheover said that the Eagles have "all the parts", well, that\'s ridiculous. All they did was get a Wide Receiver. They lost BOTH of their starting CB\'s, and the rest of their secondary was mediocre at best outside of the Corners. Teams are going to be passing all day on the Eagles, and hell, they weren\'t even that good last year. Had to have a miracle to even make the NFC Title game, where they got whooped on by the Panthers.
Now, a team that DOES have all the tools would have to be the New England Patriots. I really want to see the Chiefs get to the Super Bowl, but as long as the Pats are around, I really don\'t think that\'s going to happen. Unless Gunther really turns around the defense and we do end up trading for Keenan McCardell.
See Yuz.
thats just your opinon. The eagles look great. McNabb had nobody to throw to last year now he has someone. It should be fun. And they did pick up kerse. And while they did lose there two star corners. Man I think brown will emerge in there secondary and Matt ware will have a great rookie year.
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...Well, yeah it\'s my opinion :-P
Well, the only person whose truly goona benefit from the T.O. pickup is Brian Westbrook. Since T.O. will get double teamed constantly, that frees up Westbrook out of the backfield and running the ball to make some big plays. If he can perform, they\'ll be in alright shape. I\'m just saying they don\'t have all they need in order to make it over that final hurdle. Adding an injury prone yet above average Defensive End probably isn\'t going to help, but who knows.
See Yuz.
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dallas will get past the 1st round this year..we\'ve always had a solid defense and we just needed to get a running back for the squad..we have that now in george..it also helps that julius jones is pretty good as well...and let\'s just hope testeverde stays healthy...i think we\'ll be okay this year...we have great recivers in keyshawn,..bryant & glenn...
as far as the surprise team? i gotta go with the bengals & the texans...i don\'t see the eagles doin anything special..even with the addition of owens i feel the offense still isn\'t that impressive...
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Any team with Vinny T as a starting QB will not win anything. Especially now. Dallas\' only hope is that their RB\'s have dominant years and keep the ball out of Vinny\'s hands.
The surprise team will be the Jets. They were hurt last year and their record reflected that. They are a lot better than their record showed and they have added some SERIOUS playmakers on Defense. Plus they have one of the weakest schedules in the NFL. The Jets are going to surprise.
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I don\'t know if they will do anything, but I like the chargers team this year.
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"And with the first pick in the 2005 NFL draft, the San Diego Chargers select......"
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COLT VS PATS
I hate tom brady and I hope they lose but the colts are a couple of cry babies. Well they don\'t have to cry about the pats pushing up on there receivers with the new rules. So if manning throws another pick to ty law it\'s his own damn fault.
Should be a good game. I expect the pats to win.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
"And with the first pick in the 2005 NFL draft, the San Diego Chargers select......"
..."And with the 2nd pick of the 2005 NFL Draft, from the New York Giants, the San Diego Chargers select..."
See Yuz.
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In fantasy would you guys play David Car or Michael Vick this weekend?
Carr against San Diego, Vic against San Fran.
I\'m leaning towards Carr.
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Vick, SF is terrible.
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I\'d go with Vick, just cause even if he is hurting, Carr is very INT prone.
And as for the Eagles having all the pieces, let me point out to you all the pieces they don\'t have:
1) The running game. There is one RB on this team that can do anything, and that\'s Westbrook. The man has about 180 career carries and 800 career rushing yards. That\'s not a lot of work to go off of. If he flounders or gets hurt, the Eagles offense turns one dimensional REALLY quickly.
2) The passing game. McNabb is overrated. I hate to say it cause I like him, but it\'s true. He had a QB rating under 80 last year. He had only one passing TD a game. That\'s a very low number...3rd to last of all QB\'s that were starters all season. His TD/INT ratio was very high. His sack number sky rocketed from the year before from 28 to 43. That\'s 2nd most among QB\'s, which shows holes not only in his pocket movement, something that wasn\'t a problem earlier in his career, but also in the offensive line.
People point to his bad WR\'s as the reason for all of this. That\'s crap. Brett Favre hasn\'t had good WR\'s for years, look what he\'s done. Same with Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Jake Plummer, and a bunch of other guys with higher QB ratings. They all had bad WR\'s and did a lot better.
3) The secondary, as already mentioned. They relied on it, and they had 2 Pro Bowl corners. Now they lost both in the same year. No matter what you say, that hurts.
4) The thing no one talks about...this defense really wasn\'t that good. They couldn\'t rush the pass, and got Kearse, sure, but what does Kearse do against the run? Pretty much nothing. And the Eagles run defense last year was pathetic. 22nd in the league, allowing 130 ypg. Nothing was done to improve that.
This team may have a lot of weapons now, but they are just using them to mask more and more holes they are developing.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'d go with Vick, just cause even if he is hurting, Carr is very INT prone.
And as for the Eagles having all the pieces, let me point out to you all the pieces they don\'t have:
1) The running game. There is one RB on this team that can do anything, and that\'s Westbrook. The man has about 180 career carries and 800 career rushing yards. That\'s not a lot of work to go off of. If he flounders or gets hurt, the Eagles offense turns one dimensional REALLY quickly.
2) The passing game. McNabb is overrated. I hate to say it cause I like him, but it\'s true. He had a QB rating under 80 last year. He had only one passing TD a game. That\'s a very low number...3rd to last of all QB\'s that were starters all season. His TD/INT ratio was very high. His sack number sky rocketed from the year before from 28 to 43. That\'s 2nd most among QB\'s, which shows holes not only in his pocket movement, something that wasn\'t a problem earlier in his career, but also in the offensive line.
People point to his bad WR\'s as the reason for all of this. That\'s crap. Brett Favre hasn\'t had good WR\'s for years, look what he\'s done. Same with Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Jake Plummer, and a bunch of other guys with higher QB ratings. They all had bad WR\'s and did a lot better.
3) The secondary, as already mentioned. They relied on it, and they had 2 Pro Bowl corners. Now they lost both in the same year. No matter what you say, that hurts.
4) The thing no one talks about...this defense really wasn\'t that good. They couldn\'t rush the pass, and got Kearse, sure, but what does Kearse do against the run? Pretty much nothing. And the Eagles run defense last year was pathetic. 22nd in the league, allowing 130 ypg. Nothing was done to improve that.
This team may have a lot of weapons now, but they are just using them to mask more and more holes they are developing.
you\'re just pickin\' on mcnabb cause he\'s a brother right? :mad: j/k :p..i agree with you fully shocky,...i mean i like mcnabb too..and his numbers last year were dissappointing to say the least..not sure if that has to do with the offensive line, recieving corps or what..but as you pointed out other qb\'s have had mediocre (spel) recievers and flourished..i\'ve watched mcnabb last year & the times that i did watch him..he wasn\'t very sharp at all...hopefully he\'ll pull out of that slump this year...
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Yeah man, the fact is, I love McNabb, and I want him to do well. I love all the Orange alumni :)
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Yeah shocky get off McNabb the guy is good and very talented. He was injured had to come back and get into the flow of things again. I mean the guy is a born leader. And he is very sharp on the football field.
I\'d take him any day.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
COLT VS PATS
I hate tom brady and I hope they lose but the colts are a couple of cry babies. Well they don\'t have to cry about the pats pushing up on there receivers with the new rules. So if manning throws another pick to ty law it\'s his own damn fault.
Should be a good game. I expect the pats to win.
Yeah - they are cry babies. What the **** ever. When the Colts went to do what New England was doing - it was called pass interfence. I\'m sorry, but New England is not that great of a team (in my opinion), but the Colts are not cry babies.
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All I can say is, Patriots baby!
tied right now 10-10 w/ 2:00 to go in the half
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Colts are owning, James is dominating.
Doss is out for the game, hope he is back for next week, he is a vital part of that defense.
Colts>Pats.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yeah - they are cry babies. What the **** ever. When the Colts went to do what New England was doing - it was called pass interfence. I\'m sorry, but New England is not that great of a team (in my opinion), but the Colts are not cry babies.
oh i\'m sorry, teams with a 15-game win streak must be as abundant as water near you. Give me a break, the Pats are quality team, possibly one of the best all time.
As for Brady, how could you hate him. Up until this year he had very little endorsements, and he has a relatively small contract compared to other QB\'s. He was a sixth round pick, and all he does is win, I don\'t know how you could hate him, he\'s not even cocky or anything.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Yeah shocky get off McNabb the guy is good and very talented. He was injured had to come back and get into the flow of things again. I mean the guy is a born leader. And he is very sharp on the football field.
I\'d take him any day.
He shows some flashes, but he\'s got a career QB rating under 80. He\'s average. He\'s not a superstar.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
oh i\'m sorry, teams with a 15-game win streak must be as abundant as water near you. Give me a break, the Pats are quality team, possibly one of the best all time.
As for Brady, how could you hate him. Up until this year he had very little endorsements, and he has a relatively small contract compared to other QB\'s. He was a sixth round pick, and all he does is win, I don\'t know how you could hate him, he\'s not even cocky or anything.
God damn - I did not miss you. ;)
We went thru this shit last year. I have an utter hatred for New England, infact, the best thing possible would be for someone to blow up the New England bus (with the team on it!)
;)
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no prob man, i love going through this every year too ;)
I\'m kind of a sports guru, kinda have to be for my major, so I get very defensive of my teams.
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SOB, Branch really F\'ed up that Punt Return. This will probably at least tie the game. Damn.
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Talk about luck, James coughs it up at the 1-yard line. Brady makes a clutch 3rd down play from the 1 yard, and we\'ve got ourselves an exciting conclusion. Hopefully the pats can hold on and (a) score on this drive, or (b) milk the clock for all the way down.
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OMG, vandejact missed it... there is a god!
PATS WIN!!! PATS WIN!!!
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Edgerrin James...good god. 2 Fumbles in the Red Zone. Couple that with shoddy play calling and one hell of a defensive call by Romeo Crenell (that sack by Willie McGinest won them the game), and "That Idiot Kicker" misses the field goal. Not his fault...how in the hell do you get to the red zone 4 different times in the 2nd half and not get any points whatsoever. Wow.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
OMG, vandejact missed it... there is a god!
PATS WIN!!! PATS WIN!!!
Yeah and he just pissed on me.
He misses his first kick since 2002...Go ****in figure.
I\'m at work now and recorded the game on my ReplayTV - was hoping to miss any kind of highlights , but a dumbass co worker was talking about it and I overheard him. Guess I will just delete the game and pretend it never happened.
Football ****ing sucks.
Oh and start editing your posts, if you are going to make three in a row. You are making the thread unessarcly (spell check) long.
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i still think the colts will win the AFC South
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That game was pathetic. The pats defense wasn\'t dominating this game and the colts still blew it.
They had great drives on almost every possesion, but they collapsed in field goal range.
Pathetic.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yeah - they are cry babies. What the **** ever. When the Colts went to do what New England was doing - it was called pass interfence. I\'m sorry, but New England is not that great of a team (in my opinion), but the Colts are not cry babies.
That is because the Colts\' secondary was soft. New England had one of the most physical secondaries in the NFL last year and were used to roughing up receivers. The Colts tried to give the Pats a taste of their of own medecine but didn\'t know how.
The Pats really weren\'t breaking any rules. 99% of their contact was within 5 yards. Colts and Rams were being crybabies and complained, plain and simple.
[EDIT] Its weird how you think the Pats suck but think the Colts are great. They haven\'t won anything and Manning is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Brady has two Super Bowls and two Super Bowl MVPs and he is STILL underrated.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
That is because the Colts\' secondary was soft. New England had one of the most physical secondaries in the NFL last year and were used to roughing up receivers. The Colts tried to give the Pats a taste of their of own medecine but didn\'t know how.
The Pats really weren\'t breaking any rules. 99% of their contact was within 5 yards. Colts and Rams were being crybabies and complained, plain and simple.
[EDIT] Its weird how you think the Pats suck but think the Colts are great. They haven\'t won anything and Manning is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Brady has two Super Bowls and two Super Bowl MVPs and he is STILL underrated.
I swear to ****ing God we are not going over this shit again. We do it every year. You love New England. I hate them.
Let me explain this real quick..Yes , New England is good - but I can\'t stand them. There is not a single thing about that team I like. The Colt\'s tho, are a team that I think deserve more attention. I love the way they play.
Manning nover-rated? Give me a break. Mcnabb is over-rated. Not Manning. He has earned every bit of the attention he gets.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
That is because the Colts\' secondary was soft. New England had one of the most physical secondaries in the NFL last year and were used to roughing up receivers. The Colts tried to give the Pats a taste of their of own medecine but didn\'t know how.
The Pats really weren\'t breaking any rules. 99% of their contact was within 5 yards. Colts and Rams were being crybabies and complained, plain and simple.
[EDIT] Its weird how you think the Pats suck but think the Colts are great. They haven\'t won anything and Manning is one of the most overrated QBs ever. Brady has two Super Bowls and two Super Bowl MVPs and he is STILL underrated.
OMG black Sammy I am glad somebody finally said it. Yes Manning is overrated.
When his team needs him the most he chokes. I hate the pats and they are a great team but the colts spend to much time crying. They should have beat the pats last year in the playoffs.
But what does manning do. The whole game manning kept whinning. That they are holding the receivers. I lost respect for a team that won\'t fight back. And a QB that will do nothing but cry. They won\'t win this year.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I swear to ****ing God we are not going over this shit again. We do it every year. You love New England. I hate them.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
We argued about this for at least a week straight last year.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Let me explain this real quick..Yes , New England is good - but I can\'t stand them. There is not a single thing about that team I like. The Colt\'s tho, are a team that I think deserve more attention. I love the way they play.
Manning nover-rated? Give me a break. Mcnabb is over-rated. Not Manning. He has earned every bit of the attention he gets.
Earned it by doing what? Throwing up gaudy numbers and never winning? Couple that with the fact that he has one of the best QB cushions in the NFL(Harrison and Edge).
How does the way they play differ from any other team with a three headed offensive attack?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
He shows some flashes, but he\'s got a career QB rating under 80. He\'s average. He\'s not a superstar.
Thats not true even though you may think it is. But that is far from the truth buddy.
MCNABB is a true superstar. The guy is injured for god saks and his team is 0-2. And everyone is questioning him and he bounces back and leads his team to the nfc championship game that is pretty darn good to me. If McNabb had not had the rib injuries I believe he could have taken his team farther. I mean the guy still goes out there and gives his all hurt and everything. He played on a broken foot. And he was awesome. Come on now the guy is great and he is a born leader.
Give this man credit.
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You\'re a bunch of heartless bastards. The Colts play with heart. Their offensive is exciting. The defense needs work tho\'. It\'s not like I have said the Pats are a team without talent - they are a talented team, I can\'t argue it, they have the wins, the champsionship and so on. I just don\'t care for any of them.
You guy\'s just don\'t get it. You seem to think I should be a fan of the Patriots because they win - but I\'m not. Look at it like this, if people was just fans because of the talent and wins, then no one would be a Bear\'s or Bengal\'s fan now would they? ;)
Football should strike something more than just wins. You should be able to relate to your favorite team somehow. That\'s what it is all about. When I watch the Colts play, I am interested in what is going on, I get excited.
And finally to address this whole whining bullshit - come on, it has been shown on footage that there was illegal contact now called on New England. I guess a team should just suck it up and ask for the rules not to be enforced, eh? Give me a ****ing break.
We argued about this for at least a week straight last year.
The true start of football season - we are arguin\' about the same thing as last year.
;)
Earned it by doing what? Throwing up gaudy numbers and never winning? Couple that with the fact that he has one of the best QB cushions in the NFL(Harrison and Edge).
Never winning? What the hell? Yes, the Colt\'s don\'t have a champsionship, but I think you can hardly blame that on Manning. I am a Colt\'s fan and I\'ll admit the defense and secondary needs work. Not Manning. Hell, not even the offense.
And saying that he has a cushion (Harrison) is like saying Steve Young had a cushion with Jerry Rice (see\'ing as Manning and Harrison will eventually break that record, if Harrison does indeed sign wih the Colts again next year). That\'s a complete cop out on your part. I expect more from you.
That game was pathetic. The pats defense wasn\'t dominating this game and the colts still blew it.
They had great drives on almost every possesion, but they collapsed in field goal range.
Pathetic.
Give me a break (once again). There was nothing pathetic about that game on either side. Yes, both sides had problems, but the other team was always exploiting each other\'s weakness. It makes for an exciting ballgame. Infact, the last three times the Colts have met up with New England, it\'s been exciting . This is quickly becoming a new rivalary (spell check!) game..Exciting, down to the line. I can only hope the Colts meet up with New England again, like last year.
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Hehe, LIC you bring up a good point. I\'m not a Pats fan because they win, I\'m a pats fan because thats where I grew up in my early years. I\'m a Red Sox fan, I go through this crap all the time. Yankee fans in Illinois, Colorado, all over the country - 90% of them have never lived in NY, and another good percent have never been to Yankee stadium.
I know where your coming from, but its just not the case for me. Kids want to be associated with winners growing up, so there are these masses of fans where they don\'t belong.
I go through the same thing you go through in football, it\'s just a sad way of life.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Thats not true even though you may think it is. But that is far from the truth buddy.
MCNABB is a true superstar. The guy is injured for god saks and his team is 0-2. And everyone is questioning him and he bounces back and leads his team to the nfc championship game that is pretty darn good to me. If McNabb had not had the rib injuries I believe he could have taken his team farther. I mean the guy still goes out there and gives his all hurt and everything. He played on a broken foot. And he was awesome. Come on now the guy is great and he is a born leader.
Give this man credit.
What\'s not true? The fact that his Career QB rating is under 80 or the fact that he\'s Not a Superstar?
"The guy is injured for god saks and his team is 0-2." - Quddus
I have no clue what that means at all. What\'s a sak, and in what is his team 0-2?
Yes, he got them to the NFC Title game. Horray. 2 of the 3 times he led them there, they were at ho me. They\'ve lost all 3 of them. Not against necessarily overpowering teams, either. Yes, he did in fact play on a broken foot at one time in his career. He just proved that just about ANYBODY can have a good game against the Arizona Cardinals in that game. Had he done it, say, against the Giants or Cowboys or something in a critical game, I might give him some more pub, but not against the Arizona Cardinals. When it comes to crunch time, I can only think of one occasion where McNabb actually came through, and it was due to a secondary breakdown. If he gets to the Super Bowl, I\'ll shut up, but frankly, I don\'t see this team making it to their normal destination of the NFC Title game.
I think you\'re mistaking Donovan McNabb with Steve McNair. Now THAT guy is a true leader. I\'m pretty sure he\'s played at least half of his career games with injuries that other quarterbacks might sit out with.
See Yuz.
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Mcnabb is not a great QB. He\'s a decent QB. He is not consitent enough to be a great QB. And no, playing with injuries does not make you a great QB.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Mcnabb is not a great QB. He\'s a decent QB. He is not consitent enough to be a great QB. And no, playing with injuries does not make you a great QB.
I am not saying just because he played with injuries that makes him great. Just about every qb has played through injuries. But this guy was seriously hurt and het got out on that field to consistently lead his team every week. He has consistently lead them to the playoffs and on to the nfc championship.
How is McNabb not consistent if the eagles continue to make it to the NFC championship?
I can only think of one occasion where McNabb actually came through
The eagles continue to make the playoffs and have been to the nfc championship game 3 times in a row. Even though they lost all 3 it is still huge that he has even taken his team there 3 straight times.
You give McNabb Edgerrin and harrison and I bet he won\'t *cough* choke like manning.
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LIC, im a colts fan, and they were pathetic.
Not that they should always beat the pats, but they can\'t lose that game. You have to atleast force OT when you have 3 chances in field goal range.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
LIC, im a colts fan, and they were pathetic.
Not that they should always beat the pats, but they can\'t lose that game. You have to atleast force OT when you have 3 chances in field goal range.
so was it more the pats D or the colts performance?... i fell asleep at halftime....
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A mix of both, but the colts could have easily forced overtime or won at many points in the game. The pats defense was not dominating.
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Colts just don\'t anhv it. they need to stat foccusin on defense like dungy used to do back in TB>. its elementary
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Some people just don\'t get it.
These are the top 2 teams in the AFC (as of now), the Colts will rebound, they always do. Tennessee will contend with them as always, but it seems with every year Indianapolis gets one step further to getting to the big game.
On the other hand, New England is a team that knows how to win, and they compensate for their weaknesses. Do I think they\'ll win every game? Of course not, I want them too, but in todays NFL its nearly impossible. They will have their struggles, but like every year, they will fix it and make a run for the Superbowl.
The Colts are a great team, but New England is just that much better, at the moment.
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And since today was a relative day for College Football, the NFL can take a back seat.
Chris Rix - the worst quarterback in the history of Florida State, and perhaps the universe.
See Yuz.
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Right now I am pissed.
FSU always finds a way to blow it against the canes. I hate the canes. How do you give up a TD with 30 seconds to go, and then fumble in FG range.
I just dont get it.
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I do. It\'s called "Chris Rix".
I wasn\'t being sarcastic when I called him the worst QB ever. How many turnovers did he commit on his own? FOUR? He was just heaving balls up, again! He doens\'t know how to set his feet, he doesn\'t know how to progress through his reads, he doesn\'t know how to read the blitz, he doesn\'t know how to do ANYTHING. He\'s a 5th year senior for cryin\' out loud!
The entire game, I was just waiting for Rix to blow it, even when they got that 10 point gift early on (Cromartie was playin\' his heart out for FSU, he was the one guy I truly felt for after the game), but Rix was just disgustingly awful.
What\'s funny is that Kirk Herbstreit has this guy winning the Heisman Trophy. Well, lets check out the numbers...
10 for 24, 105 yards, 0 TD\'s, 2 picks, 2 fumbles. True Heisman Numbers, just give it to him now!
Miami deserved to win -- they outplayed FSU all day, but FSU\'s defense came up with the big play when they needed it, and vice versa. However, again, that was one of the worst QB performances I\'ve ever seen.
Florida State fans, now you know what it was like to have Jammal Lord for 2 years.
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I\'m headed off to the ND and Michigan game. God a win tonight would be great for this school... Last night\'s pep rally was so awesome, it would really be a huge blow if we lost. I guess this probably will make or break the season, even though the BYU loss was borderline pathetic.
Michigan chicks roaming around here are pretty hot too.
Anyways, Go Irish!
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Just got home, went to the Miami game yesterday and man that was a great game. Miami\'s defense is awesome. Rolle is the man. He just made play after play against the FSU offense. Berlin didn\'t look great, but once he got into the shotgun he looked more comfortable and he just got the job done.
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Things arent looking any better in South Florida, Miami is in for a long seaon, Tennesse beagts em 17-7.
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I didn\'t think the Dolphins would do anything anyway. They lost their RB and their best WR. Their QB is average at best and their defense keeps getting older and older. They lost Brock Marion to the Lions. Ricky retiring was devastating to their cause.
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All I have to say is... its going to be crazy tonight.
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Flip some cars Ohio St. style.
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I wish that I could share in the joy.
Southern Miss goes into Memorial Stadium and wins 21-17.
Joe Dailey - 4 INT\'s, 2 costly fumbles. At least he\'s MY player of the game.
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Wow...Notre Dame actually won. I guess "thats why they play the games"
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Notre Dame is magical. I know that sounds childish, but the craziest shit can happen here. Its awesome.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Notre Dame is magical. I know that sounds childish, but the craziest shit can happen here. Its awesome.
While this kid is actually enjoying the full college experience. I am so proud:p
Enjoy it now because it can get boring real quick.
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And it\'s still tough to eat this loss.
At Home to Southern Mississippi. Ugh. This is the same team we beat 38-14 in their house last year on National Television. To double their total yards and more than double their First Down output...it hurts.
Just...god. What the hell.
I\'m pretty sure I didn\'t win a game yesterday. Outside of K-State losing, I didn\'t win a one. Fantastic.
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Hey Vid, do they teach offense down in Tampa? :D It\'s a sad day when Tampa\'s only touchdown was because of their outstanding defense.
On the other side, Joe Gibb\'s is back and has a new improved Washington. Brunell looks pretty good and Portis made a damn impressive first play in his Redskin uniform.
Four mintue\'s left in the game and I don\'t see Tampa pulling this one out.
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God I miss Marriuci. He wouldn\'t f*cking throw the ball THREE straight times, on a 1st and goal on the 3-yard line. Erickson is a joke of a coach, and needs to pull his head out of his ass.
This season is going to suck.
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The Jets looked amazing for the first game I think. Their offense is living up to expectations but still has room to get better. The defense looked decent they just need experience that\'s all. They need to learn how to play the zone better, but like I said, that just takes time.
The Eagles look like they\'re going to be very dominating this year. A few people thought they wouldn\'t be as good as they looked on paper but I would have to disagree. Their offensive line stopped almost any chance to the Giants getting to McNabb. McNabb of course through almost perfect passes all game to Owens and Pinkston and Westbrook... there are just way too many playmakers on that team for them to be anything but good. So anyone disagree?
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Yeah, I believe I do.
Remember who you were playing. The Giants, quite frankly, are a rebuilding team, and beating them at home isn\'t exactly some great feat this year. Once you play a team that\'s primed for the playoffs, we\'ll see where the chips fall.
Chiefs Broncos tonight...the battle of "Can they actually save my weekend" takes place.
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Yeah, but it wasn\'t even close.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Yeah, but it wasn\'t even close.
He\'s right. I was going to mention the fact that half the Giants still aren\'t even used to Coughlin\'s totalitarian coaching ways but the Eagles just slaughtered them in every aspect.
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Eli got the living shit knocked out of him on that last play of the game
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The Giants don\'t have a secondary, like, at all. Will Peterson - hurt. Will Allen\'s the only guy they got back there, and he can\'t guard everybody. Again, a rebuilding team is going to get smoked like this once in a while.
The Giants, frankly, aren\'t a very good football team. No O-Line, No Secondary...ouch.
Once the Eagles go up against some real opponents, then we\'ll see. In the meantime, they\'re just an above average team that took advantage of a pretty easy opening game at home.
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No talks of the biggest upset of the day!!!
Browns over Ravens!!!!!!!!
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Yeah... I definitely did not see that happening... I got eliminated in my \'Survival Football League\' cuz I was almost 100% sure the Browns would lose it.
Definitely a shocker. And Jamal Lewis SUCKED.
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The Cowboys offense was rockin, defense played poorly though and thats what caused the loss. It doesnt help that the defense is going up against one of the best offenses in the league and "Randy Moss" though. Woodson also wasnt in the game and Pete Hunter sucks.
Oh well, Im not to sad...I kind of expected this. I saw some things to be very pleased about...the Cowboys are defintally a better team than lastyears, just tougher opponents. Argh! Cant wait for the next draft where da\' Boys have 2 first round picks.
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DAMN....
culpepper was on today, 5 passing TD\'s... whoever\'s got him in the fantasy league racked up some big points.
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Well my eagles won. I am happy. They looked pretty damn good out there.
And I am so happy the cowboys lost boy I can\'t stand them. And there running game was garbage. There next game is up against the browns that looked pretty good against the Ravens. They were able to shut lewis down. Here\'s to a 0-2 to start for dallas.
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It\'s the Dallas team of the early 90\'s you hate, not this one. The Dallas team today is pretty much quiet and just looks to improve. They dont boast about they\'re wins, nor do they make excuses for they\'re loses. Give it a rest already, Dallas fans are some of the least arrogant out there so is the team now.
I dont appreciate the Eagles or Redskins but I respect they\'re fans enough not to put other teams down.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
whoever\'s got him in the fantasy league racked up some big points.
*giggles*
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Well my eagles won. I am happy. They looked pretty damn good out there.
And I am so happy the cowboys lost boy I can\'t stand them. And there running game was garbage. There next game is up against the browns that looked pretty good against the Ravens. They were able to shut lewis down. Here\'s to a 0-2 to start for dallas.
Give me a break. They played the Giants for God sake - a team that is not exactly up to par with the above average teams. One thing the Eagles are doing that will hurt them in the long run, is depending on T.O way to much. If he gets hurt or starts being covered properly, then there goes their offense again...
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The Eagles have Minnisota next week right? This game will tell us where Philly really stands...just hope they\'re offense dont tear you apart like it did to the Boys.
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Originally posted by PSX_J
The Eagles have Minnisota next week right? This game will tell us where Philly really stands...just hope they\'re offense dont tear you apart like it did to the Boys.
The Vikings will bend them over and spank them all the way home.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
One thing the Eagles are doing that will hurt them in the long run, is depending on T.O way to much. If he gets hurt or starts being covered properly, then there goes their offense again...
Sure McNab threw him 3 TD\'s yesterday but they stilled used their other options well. If they need a 1st down or a TD then why not depend on TO when he\'s one of the best receivers in the league? If Westbrook can step it up and run like he did yesterday most of the games that takes alot of pressure off of the McNabb/TO game but also opens up huge changes for Pinkston. Don\'t forget the wheels McNabb has either.
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How typical of the Bills to lose with 4 seconds left. I Actually saw that retard Bledsoe look right at a wide open man in the endzone and freeze like a deer in the headlights, then get sacked... frustrating as shit....
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Originally posted by L i L K u B B s
Sure McNab threw him 3 TD\'s yesterday but they stilled used their other options well. If they need a 1st down or a TD then why not depend on TO when he\'s one of the best receivers in the league? If Westbrook can step it up and run like he did yesterday most of the games that takes alot of pressure off of the McNabb/TO game but also opens up huge changes for Pinkston. Don\'t forget the wheels McNabb has either.
I don\'t think you\'re recognizing the fact that you did NOT, repeat, DID NOT play a quality opponent yesterday. You played arguably the worst team in the NFC East at home. You were supposed to decimate them. Personally, I think you should have beaten them by more than 2 TD\'s.
Once you guys actually play a team that has *gasp* talent, you\'re going to find out in a hurry just where your team falls on the NFC Food Chain.
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Whoever said the Eagles game was an indication that they would have a good year wasn\'t watching the same game I was.
The run defense was AWFUL. The Giants averaged 7 and a half yards a carry. And as for the Eagles dominating the Giants...that also wasn\'t true. The total yards were almost the same. Had the Giants WR\'s been able to hold onto the ball, that last drive with Eli wouldn\'t have been just to get him experience, it would have been to tie the game. You can\'t expect every team you play to drop two sure TD passes. And keep in mind, this was against one of the worst teams in the NFL.
On the other side of NY, how about Curtis Martin? I\'m tellin ya, this is gonna be a special year for that team.
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Actually, I\'m not even an Eagles fan, I just think they have talent that\'a all. Crucify me if I\'m wrong, lol. I am a Jets fan though and I was so happy Curtis Martin looked just as good as he was 5 years ago.
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Yeah, I\'m just sorta in the middle of an anti-Eagles rant, that\'s all :).
And yeah, I really think the Jets could take the division, potentially. We\'ll see :)
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
I don\'t think you\'re recognizing the fact that you did NOT, repeat, DID NOT play a quality opponent yesterday. You played arguably the worst team in the NFC East at home. You were supposed to decimate them. Personally, I think you should have beaten them by more than 2 TD\'s.
Once you guys actually play a team that has *gasp* talent, you\'re going to find out in a hurry just where your team falls on the NFC Food Chain.
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3 td passes caught bye T.O more than anyother receiver on that that roster laster year.
I mean they made it to the NFC championship game last yeare and they basicly have the same team. There even better this year and you think they won\'t make it?
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Not having the same debate we had a week ago, Quddus.
Your run defense isn\'t that good, you lost both of your starting corners (who were both quality corners) and your LB crew is shaky to begin with. Your defense isn\'t that good, your offense haven\'t proven anything against a quality opponent -- what more do you want?
How can you believe that this team is somehow so much better than it was last year despite the fact that they lost both of their starting corners and have no backup to Brian Westbrook?
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The team is better on offense and worse on defense. And the better on offense thing isn\'t by as much as you seem to think.
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Well Brian Westbrook looked good last week. And if we can get a consistent performace from him then I am happy. McNabb looked great. The offense look better than ever. And that is what this team was missing. So what we lost are top corners. Sheldon Brown did not look bad and as the season progress I believe he will step it up. If the eagles offense is on point there defense will hold up.
I wanna talk about the lions. Man living in detroit we always expect the lions to lose. Well they did not look half bad. On a sad note rogers is out for the season again. I mean is this kids career going to be over before it begins. They will miss dre bly they better hope his injury is not seriously.
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Your offense looked good against what? A team returning one man from last year\'s front 7 and with an injured secondary? And as for your coverage, it was a few dropped balls from being really exposed.
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Well Brian Westbrook looked good last week. And if we can get a consistent performace from him then I am happy. McNabb looked great. The offense look better than ever. And that is what this team was missing. So what we lost are top corners. Sheldon Brown did not look bad and as the season progress I believe he will step it up. If the eagles offense is on point there defense will hold up.
Save that bragging for when they meet up with The Vikings here in another week or so . If they manage to beat The Vikings, then I\'ll be impressed, until then The Eagles proved nothing Sunday. They played against a team that is still rebuilding their program , not an established winning team..
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Meh, didnt realise you were an Eagles fan Quddus...guess it\'s natural for you to hate tha\' Boys then. Give us a couple years and we\'ll be back to serious contenders, then the ol\' rivarly will mean something again.
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Originally posted by PSX_J
Meh, didnt realise you were an Eagles fan Quddus...guess it\'s natural for you to hate tha\' Boys then. Give us a couple years and we\'ll be back to serious contenders, then the ol\' rivarly will mean something again.
Get rid of Vinny Testical-vertie, and you may get somewhere...
Missed the MNF game - but I am still surprised that The Packers beat Carolina. Highlights make it seem like it was a good game tho\'.
Question: How many of you have been to a pro game? I have the chance to get decent seats for the Colts vs Vikings (MNF - 11/8) game, but I\'ve never been and I\'ve received mixed opinions. Some people I know say it\'s more fun to watch it at home and other\'s say it\'s more fun to see it in person. What\'s the general opinion on the board?
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BAHH. Steve smith got injured pretty badly and is out at least a month. Dont know wether to start jimmy smith (vs Broncos); Booker (vs. Cinci); Toomer (vs Wash). Smith has to deal with Bailey so i doubt ill start him. Booker doesnt have a QB and Washington looked good this week. Leaning towards Toomer though. Its a small league which is why i have a good amount of starters.
Also had Charles Rogers in another leauge so basically week 1 sucked @ss fantasy wise.
But the broncos did well. Just need more consitency from Plummer and using the TE more.
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Get rid of Vinny Testical-vertie, and you may get somewhere...
You mean the one that threw for over 300 yards the other day? Besides he\'ll be around for a year and then he\'s gone. He\'s just going to be with the team untill either Henson develops or we draft another quarterback. Hopefully Henson develops, he is really good for being out of football for a couple years.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
BAHH. Steve smith got injured pretty badly and is out at least a month. Dont know wether to start jimmy smith (vs Broncos); Booker (vs. Cinci); Toomer (vs Wash). Smith has to deal with Bailey so i doubt ill start him. Booker doesnt have a QB and Washington looked good this week. Leaning towards Toomer though. Its a small league which is why i have a good amount of starters.
Also had Charles Rogers in another leauge so basically week 1 sucked @ss fantasy wise.
But the broncos did well. Just need more consitency from Plummer and using the TE more.
You don\'t have a TE that\'s worth throwing to. The Chiefs secondary is, in a word, overworked, and when you have to put 8 in the box to stop the "vaunted" Jake Plummer bootleg along with Quentin Griffin running the ball for 10 yards a pop, it\'s not too hard to whoop the Defense\'s ass. The Chiefs bit on every play action fake during the game, and got their shit burned.
The fact that the Broncos only won 34-24 was actually pretty amazing for the way they were simply outplaying the Chiefs the entire game.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Question: How many of you have been to a pro game? I have the chance to get decent seats for the Colts vs Vikings (MNF - 11/8) game, but I\'ve never been and I\'ve received mixed opinions. Some people I know say it\'s more fun to watch it at home and other\'s say it\'s more fun to see it in person. What\'s the general opinion on the board?
I went to my first NFL game last season and it was a blast. Went with like 4 other guys I work with to the Ravens vs. Seahawks game, and it ended up being the biggest comback in Ravens franchise history. Many Ravens fans are fairweather ones, but we stayed even though they were getting blown out. And when they were coming back the place was twice as loud half empty as it was sold out.
We had terrible seats too, like 15 rows from the very top of the upper deck... but I was amazed at how well I could see what was happening on the field. I always knew where the ball was and didn\'t need binoculours like I thought I would.
In short, I think it\'s much more fun to see the games in person if you have someone to go with you. Going to a sporting event alone sucks (i imagine).
And i\'m possibly going to the monday night game in a few weeks when the Chiefs come to Baltimore... got some distant relatives with season ticks.
(crosses fingers)
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
The fact that the Broncos only won 34-24 was actually pretty amazing for the way they were simply outplaying the Chiefs the entire game.
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When the quarterback throws it left handed that\'ll happen.
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Haha, yeah, that was pretty badass.
Jake Plummer - as overrated as the Missouri Tigers
*cheap shot*
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No matter what seats you have, watching the game on t.v. just doesnt compare to actually being there. The excitement in the air and atomosphere are enough to make a fan go crazy. LIC, you\'ll see what I mean when you actually go to a game...you\'ll problly become a season ticket holder afterwards.
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at least that left handed throw went right into the hands of Shawn Barber... but plummer pissed me off all night with that roll out shit. Chiefs fell for the fake EVERY time.
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I went to a Jets preseason game last year. My friend Mel\'s family has season tickets and I went with them. I wish they would of invited me to a regular season game though :(. It was still amazing though and they had really decent seats. I think we were on the 20 yard line and about 30 rows back.
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That settles that - I will end up picking up the tickets, goin\' to take my father, as he\'s a Colt\'s fan.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
1) The running game. There is one RB on this team that can do anything, and that\'s Westbrook. The man has about 180 career carries and 800 career rushing yards. That\'s not a lot of work to go off of. If he flounders or gets hurt, the Eagles offense turns one dimensional REALLY quickly.
Westbrook is a beast, no question about it. He\'s magic whenever he gets the ball, on the ground, out in the flats, or on a return...he makes magic happen. He averaged 5.2 YPC last season, and had a 9.0 recieving average. Buckhalter went down, which hurt, no doubt. But, we got Levens. And I know you, being a Giants fan, scoff at that, but I think the guy will work well for us. Some players just fit well into certain systems...Levens had one of his best years with the Iggles two years ago, rushing for 5.5 YPC and catching 19 passes for 124 yards. So long as Westbrook stays healthy, our running game is excellent.
2) The passing game. McNabb is overrated. I hate to say it cause I like him, but it\'s true. He had a QB rating under 80 last year. He had only one passing TD a game. That\'s a very low number...3rd to last of all QB\'s that were starters all season. His TD/INT ratio was very high. His sack number sky rocketed from the year before from 28 to 43. That\'s 2nd most among QB\'s, which shows holes not only in his pocket movement, something that wasn\'t a problem earlier in his career, but also in the offensive line.
McNabb is not over-rated. If anything, he\'s underrated. Sure he posted a 79.6 QB rating last year, but he had a horrible start. He went through a rough patch, got over it, and hasn\'t looked back. In fact, this is a stat I don\'t know where to find, but wasn\'t he the highest rated QB in the NFC the second half of the season? Here\'s something I got from a Len Pasquerelli article at ESPN.com that i also found interesting...
McNabb\'s 43-21 record, in fact, gives him the best winning percentage among all active quarterbacks with at least 60 starts. And his interception percentage, with just 49 pickoffs in 2,117 attempts, is second best in NFL history.
So...he wins. That\'s the most important stat...the wins. And hey, he has a low completion percentage (or has over his career)...but I\'d much rather see him throw it out of bounds than to a defender. The quarterback position is strong, with great depth behind McNabb. Jeff Blake brings a lot of experience. That\'s key. Meanwhile, Detmer knows the West Coast offense better than most in the NFL.
3) The secondary, as already mentioned. They relied on it, and they had 2 Pro Bowl corners. Now they lost both in the same year. No matter what you say, that hurts.
That hurts, but not as much as the media makes it seem. Lito and Sheldon started 9 games together last season...of those 9, they won...9. Of course, that\'s not indicative of solely how they played...but still...if they\'re garbage, those games aren\'t victories. They were slightly below average NFL corners last season. Now, practicing against a top 5 WR in Terrell Owens...they\'re average, if not slightly above. That unfortunately won\'t cut it against teams like Minnesota, Indy, etc...but CB\'s aren\'t the only part of a secondary. I believe it was James that said the safeties were mediocre. That shocked me, honestly. Dawkins is, well, Dawkins, and Michael Lewis is turning into a spectacular strong safety, already one of the best in the league. Again, much like the running game...as long as there\'s no injuries, our pass defense is above average. And that\'s speaking solely on talent, you can\'t forget who the defensive coordinator is.
4) The thing no one talks about...this defense really wasn\'t that good. They couldn\'t rush the pass, and got Kearse, sure, but what does Kearse do against the run? Pretty much nothing. And the Eagles run defense last year was pathetic. 22nd in the league, allowing 130 ypg. Nothing was done to improve that.
The run defense wasn\'t great last year, I\'ll give you that. But the injuries along the defensive line can\'t just be ignored. Sure, injuries are a part of the game, but assuming they don\'t play a *big* role this season, the Eagles run defense should be close to a top 10. Cory Simon...Darwin Walker...Jevon Kearse...Derrick Burgess (who will be replaced by hugh douglas as the season goes on IMO. No matter what happened in jacksonville, there still seems to be some fire there)...that\'s one of the best defensive lines in the NFL. Linebackers? This is something I can\'t really give much positive towards but, they are not nearly as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They were 22nd in run D last season, but again, you have to factor in that decimated d-line. Heck, before the line started wearing down, Mark Simoneau was NFC defensive player of the month. Nate Wayne played acceptably last year...but Dahani...well...I\'ll save judgement for him. I must point out also, that in the Giants game, the Giants put up some yards on the ground, no question. 170 yards for the opposition isn\'t something a top team should have...but don\'t forget that the Eagles had a guy who, outside of his special teams play, is, putting it bluntly, garbage. Keith Adams is not an NFL OLB, not at all...but he was put in the role for whatever reason. Also in that game, we held the giants to 94 yards on the ground in 57 minutes of gametime...that\'s acceptable. That 76 yard run was put up in garbage time, we may have even had backups in (wouldn\'t surprise me with our injury history).
And finally, if teams start running wild, we have Jeremiah Trotter to plug the holes, who is much better at doing such than Simoneau.
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Westbrook is a beast, no question about it. He\'s magic whenever he gets the ball, on the ground, out in the flats, or on a return...he makes magic happen. He averaged 5.2 YPC last season, and had a 9.0 recieving average. Buckhalter went down, which hurt, no doubt. But, we got Levens. And I know you, being a Giants fan, scoff at that, but I think the guy will work well for us. Some players just fit well into certain systems...Levens had one of his best years with the Iggles two years ago, rushing for 5.5 YPC and catching 19 passes for 124 yards. So long as Westbrook stays healthy, our running game is excellent.
First of all, you cut Levens. So that right there puts a big damper on the arguement. Second of all, it\'s a lot easier to put up good averages when you don\'t have a lot of carries, which Westbrook didn\'t last season. We\'ll see how he holds up when his carries sky rocket.
McNabb is not over-rated. If anything, he\'s underrated. Sure he posted a 79.6 QB rating last year, but he had a horrible start. He went through a rough patch, got over it, and hasn\'t looked back. In fact, this is a stat I don\'t know where to find, but wasn\'t he the highest rated QB in the NFC the second half of the season? Here\'s something I got from a Len Pasquerelli article at ESPN.com that i also found interesting...
McNabb\'s 43-21 record, in fact, gives him the best winning percentage among all active quarterbacks with at least 60 starts. And his interception percentage, with just 49 pickoffs in 2,117 attempts, is second best in NFL history.
So...he wins. That\'s the most important stat...the wins. And hey, he has a low completion percentage (or has over his career)...but I\'d much rather see him throw it out of bounds than to a defender. The quarterback position is strong, with great depth behind McNabb. Jeff Blake brings a lot of experience. That\'s key. Meanwhile, Detmer knows the West Coast offense better than most in the NFL.
Where to start. First of all, McNabb\'s career winning percentage is not solely because of him. He has won in the regular season cause he\'s always played with one the NFL\'s best defenses. Then he gets to the playoffs and chokes every year in the title game. His QB rating last year in the NFC championship game was under 20. That is about as bad as you can get. He also had QB ratings of about 70 or lower 2 of his last 3 games, so don\'t get in your mind that it was just a beginning of the season thing he shook off, and that he "hasn\'t looked back".
As for the career stats, I\'m not talking about his career, I\'m talking about now. Early in his career he caused havoc with his legs, and that made him a lot better than his QB rating showed. That\'s gone, due to injuries. He is still mobile, but not game breaking. People remember him from those days, and that\'s not him anymore. He has gone downhill.
That hurts, but not as much as the media makes it seem. Lito and Sheldon started 9 games together last season...of those 9, they won...9. Of course, that\'s not indicative of solely how they played...but still...if they\'re garbage, those games aren\'t victories. They were slightly below average NFL corners last season. Now, practicing against a top 5 WR in Terrell Owens...they\'re average, if not slightly above. That unfortunately won\'t cut it against teams like Minnesota, Indy, etc...but CB\'s aren\'t the only part of a secondary. I believe it was James that said the safeties were mediocre. That shocked me, honestly. Dawkins is, well, Dawkins, and Michael Lewis is turning into a spectacular strong safety, already one of the best in the league. Again, much like the running game...as long as there\'s no injuries, our pass defense is above average. And that\'s speaking solely on talent, you can\'t forget who the defensive coordinator is.
I\'m not saying the corners are bad, but there is no way that you can lose two pro bowl caliber CB\'s and have it not hurt you a lot. They went from possibly the best to average, and that\'s a huge hit. Plus, they have to have depth beyond the top 2. The 3rd CB is very important. They used to have that depth. Not anymore. And I don\'t think you are above average. I think the pass D is average, and the run D is below average now.
The run defense wasn\'t great last year, I\'ll give you that. But the injuries along the defensive line can\'t just be ignored. Sure, injuries are a part of the game, but assuming they don\'t play a *big* role this season, the Eagles run defense should be close to a top 10. Cory Simon...Darwin Walker...Jevon Kearse...Derrick Burgess (who will be replaced by hugh douglas as the season goes on IMO. No matter what happened in jacksonville, there still seems to be some fire there)...that\'s one of the best defensive lines in the NFL.
Jevon Kearse is a pure pass rusher. He will get burned all day long by the run. Douglas is over the hill. You just are well below average at run stop. Above average at pass rushing, but NOT run stopping.
Linebackers? This is something I can\'t really give much positive towards but, they are not nearly as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They were 22nd in run D last season, but again, you have to factor in that decimated d-line. Heck, before the line started wearing down, Mark Simoneau was NFC defensive player of the month. Nate Wayne played acceptably last year...but Dahani...well...I\'ll save judgement for him. I must point out also, that in the Giants game, the Giants put up some yards on the ground, no question. 170 yards for the opposition isn\'t something a top team should have...but don\'t forget that the Eagles had a guy who, outside of his special teams play, is, putting it bluntly, garbage. Keith Adams is not an NFL OLB, not at all...but he was put in the role for whatever reason. Also in that game, we held the giants to 94 yards on the ground in 57 minutes of gametime...that\'s acceptable. That 76 yard run was put up in garbage time, we may have even had backups in (wouldn\'t surprise me with our injury history).
And finally, if teams start running wild, we have Jeremiah Trotter to plug the holes, who is much better at doing such than Simoneau.
Trotter is also over the hill, and won\'t do much for you. But the fact is you let the Giants run for 170 yards on you. The Giants. The worst offensive line by far in the NFL. Ron Dayne looked like a quality back against you guys. I mean, come on. There is no question this is gonna be a huge problem for you this year.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
If they manage to beat The Vikings, then I\'ll be impressed.
Why is that?
Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
BAHH. Steve smith got injured pretty badly and is out at least a month.
It sucks when someone gets hurt but I can\'t stand Steve Smith. Way too cocky for someone that is just slightly above average.
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We cut Levens originally to make room for 7 LBs, since we had injuries riddling the LB core. We re-signed him yesterday I believe. And really, I don\'t know how many more carries Westbrook will be getting. Bear in mind, this is Andy Reid\'s offense, they\'re going to be passing most of the time. Dorsey\'s going to get the ball in short yardage/run the clock situations...and the FO is really high on mahe, so he and westbrook will split carries. I think he\'ll be fine health-wise.
He lead the Eagles to an NFC best 12-4 season last year with basically the defense we\'ve got now, minus Kearse. That secondary wasn\'t healthy at all last year. He also doesn\'t choke in the title game. He played MAGNIFICENTLY against Green Bay. He was on target with his passes...and he broke the scrambling record in that game (so that also pushes his apparent lack of a scrambling threat).
Carolina...come on man...you CAN NOT put that game on his shoulders. Carolina\'s CB\'s were absolutely MUGGING the Eagles recievers....and when they actually could get off the line, they\'d drop it, or just not make a play towards the ball. It\'s not even an issue as far as that game is concerned. Our WR\'s were bitch slapped. Thankfully, Todd Pinkston beefed up a bit, and with TO on the other side things should open up for him.
As for the under 70 QB ratings...as I said...that Carolina game doesn\'t hold much substance here...and I don\'t recall the other game, but it\'s irrelevant. Over that stretch, McNabb was playing the best football of his career. He is FAR from going downhill. If anything, he\'s reaching his prime. And with the talent he\'s got surrounding him this year, don\'t be surprised to see him finish tops in the MVP voting, if not win the award.
And the secondary. Again...BT and Troy Vincent played sparingly last season, along with Brian Dawkins. I think Vincent might have a few years left, but Bobby was on the decline, fast. Honestly, I don\'t think that our secondary is much worse than it was last year. I will agree with you on this though....Lito or Sheldon goes down...we need a trade...or we\'re in shit.
Douglas and Trotter...we have to wait and see more of them through the season to decide if they\'re over the hill or not. They had great success here...left...didn\'t do as hot...have come back...and have thus far impressed. But, again, that was against the Giants. I don\'t see run defense being a problem...so long as everyone stays healthy. Nate Wayne will be back in the mix against the Vikings I believe...if he is, that\'s more indicative of how we\'ll play the run.
I\'m really anticipating this Vikings game. They will not put up 350 yards of offense against us. You heard it here.
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We heard it here, eh?
*waits for Daunte Cullpepper to torch your already bad secondary*
Randy Moss: 7 catches, 120 yards, 2 TD\'s
"You Heard it here" :)
See Yuz.
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not really football related, but who\'s excited for the upcoming hockey season?
(expects no one to answer)
:laughing:
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Arguing with James about football is foolish. Unless of course you\'re discussing who has the better team Colts or Chiefs :) .
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Originally posted by JBean
not really football related, but who\'s excited for the upcoming hockey season?
(expects no one to answer)
:laughing:
There\'s an upcoming hockey season?
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Originally posted by unfocused
Arguing with James about football is foolish. Unless of course you\'re discussing who has the better team Colts or Chiefs :) .
Colts.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
We heard it here, eh?
*waits for Daunte Cullpepper to torch your already bad secondary*
Randy Moss: 7 catches, 120 yards, 2 TD\'s
"You Heard it here" :)
See Yuz.
Yes and T.O is going to torch there god awful secondary. He may get 5td catches against the vikings. But atlest we have pretty good safties.
I think james is just going against the eagles for the fun of it. He really can\'t think we\'ll go down against this team.
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Actually, I\'m just really tired of all the sports shows I\'ve seen that are automatically putting the Eagles in the Super Bowl after a home game against the now lowly Giants. That, and Shockwaves over time made me a bit of a Giants fan :)
You\'re probably right, though...Minnesota\'s secondary isn\'t great, but they actually have a pretty good front seven, which\'ll completley shut down Brian Westbrook. When that happens, it\'ll force McNabb to throw, who will be running for his life against the pass rush, and be forced to make throws that he probably shouldn\'t be making. T.O\'ll get his numbers, but he\'ll be seeing double coverage all day. Who else do they have WR-wise? Todd Pinkston? C\'mon, now.
Your O-Line isn\'t even that good, and your defense has been downgraded from solid to average after losing your corners (Champ Bailey proved last week how one star Corner can effect a team\'s defense as a whole). Sure, great, you got Javon Kearse. As Tony said, he\'s a pure pash rusher. Hugh Douglas, baring some career resurrection, is over the hill (sure as hell glad the Chiefs didn\'t give him the money he was looking for).
Why am I supposed to give this team credit? Yeah, sure, NFC Title game the last 3 years. Whatever. How many times did you win that game? Exactly. You played a gimmie game in the 1st week of the season, and you expect to be lavished with praise about how awesome your team is. Congratulations, they\'re not that good.
See Yuz.
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What would you consider "shutting down Westbrook"? 80+ yards? That\'s the lowest I can see him getting.
Our recieving core is solid. TO: Top 5 WR. Pinkston: Speed to extend the field. Fred-ex: A solid slot reciever. Then you have westbrook coming out of the backfield and an emerging LJ Smith at Tight End...this team\'s going to put a whooping on that secondary. I mean, how many recieving weapons did Vinny have when he made minnesotta his bitch?
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
That, and Shockwaves over time made me a bit of a Giants fan :)
OH! I win!
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Colts offense>Philly offense
Harrison is greater than or equal to TO. Reggie Wayne is better than Pinkston. Brandon Stokley is better than Freddie Mitchell, Dallas Clark and Marcus Pollard are both better than LJ Smith and of course Edgerrin James is better than Westbrook. Manning has better stats than McNabb also along with the fact that the offensive line for the Colts is solid.
Anyway with all that said I will be extremely disappointed if the Colts lose to the Titans on Sunday. There is no way the Titans should win that game. They\'ll have to double team Marvin to contain him leaving one of the Colts WRs with single coverage or a TE against a LB which is a big mismatch unless its Bulluck. I think the Titans lost too much to compete with the Colts. They lost two starters on their defensive line, Mason is out, Calico is out, McNair seemingly gets hurt everytime he steps onto the field. Any Titans fans here?
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Originally posted by IareEthan
What would you consider "shutting down Westbrook"? 80+ yards? That\'s the lowest I can see him getting.
Our recieving core is solid. TO: Top 5 WR. Pinkston: Speed to extend the field. Fred-ex: A solid slot reciever. Then you have westbrook coming out of the backfield and an emerging LJ Smith at Tight End...this team\'s going to put a whooping on that secondary. I mean, how many recieving weapons did Vinny have when he made minnesotta his bitch?
Are you serious? Are you actually justifying the Eagles WR Crew minus T.O.? This is the same crew that without him was arguably the worst in the NFL last year. Pinkston wasnt\' a difference maker, Freddy dissappered, and James Thrash dropped I don\'t know how many balls. You didn\'t pass to Chad Lewis, and that "emerging TE threat" isn\'t going to scare anybody, not unless that "emerging TE threat" goes by the name of Todd Heap.
Vinny got his numbers early, but couldn\'t cash in. It\'s not like he\'s that bad of a QB anyways, and the Dallas WR crew is solid veterans (albeit mouthy ones) and Antonio Bryant, a very talented WR out of Pittsburgh. As far as TE goes, Jason Witten > your "emerging TE threat" in LJ Smith.
Vikes in a shootout. This\'ll be fun.
See Yuz.
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Take away TO? Yeah, we\'re screwed, I\'ll give you that. But, for the time being, we\'ve got a healthy Terrell Owens, and that makes all the difference in the world. As you spoke of Champ Bailey in Denver...how one superstar CB can effect a teams defense as a whole...one great reciever can effect a teams offense as a whole. Pinkston beefed up, he\'s not going to be man-handled as easily. He\'s got the speed to burn corners. His hands are better. Freddie didn\'t dissapear. When he gets the oppurtunities, he rarely drops a pass, and it\'s almost always for a first down. And you\'re really sleeping on LJ Smith man, I\'m telling you, this guy\'s going to be a major threat this year. Good hands, nice speed, good blocker ... all the ingredients for a standout tight end. LJ Smith>Jason Witten, and you\'ll see that as the season progresses. And again, right now we DO have Terrell Owens who opens up the field for ALL of these guys, which is a major factor.
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Wow, does Dallas need new QB. Granted they won, but it was no thanks to Vinny, who threw three INT\'s in the second half. Not that Garcia was doin\' much better.,.. Still, if Parcell\'s wants a winning team, he better have a QB to back it up.
Speaking of sucking offense. What about Dolphins and Bengals? Two "new" QB\'s starting and both struggling. A.J (Dolphins) had no offensive live to protect him and Palmer was goin\' up against a defense with seven pro-bowlers.
Oh and..
Colts > Titans in a comeback.
Eat that .
:D
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Patriots beat the Cardinals playing their worst football in a long time.
10/3 - against Buffalo to tie the record
10/10 - against Miami to break the record!
I think they can do it!
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Yeah, they will do it, but that isn\'t saying lot. I mean, the only team they have played that can be considered a true contender is the Colts. Dolphins are just pathetic.
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Good GOD do the Chiefs suck. As a Chiefs fan, I truly can\'t believe how this team won 13 games last year.
This team went 11-1 with Mike Maslowski in the lineup last year before his Knee Injury (some of you may recall my repeated mentioning of him going into the playoffs and the Chiefs run defense with and without him in the game). After his injury, including the playoffs, the Chiefs are now 2-5, with those two wins coming late last year against the Lions and the Bears. At home. Not exactly quality wins.
The Defense is bad, and the offense isn\'t performing like they should be. This, right now, is one of the worst football teams in the NFL. The Offensive Line seems to have aged a ton in one offseason, Al Saunders play calling is too cute, and the Wide Receivers, are, in a word, dreadful.
I suppose I could credit Carolina -- they came into Arrowhead and controlled the clock, and kicked our ass. DeShaun Foster - 32 carries, 174 yards, TD. Broke a 71 yard backbreaking run in the 4th quarter when the Chiefs defense desperatley needed a stop. Hooray Run Defense.
*prays the Chiefs take Mike Williams with that Top 5 draft pick they\'ll be getting in the 2005 NFL Draft*
See Yuz.
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i\'m not totally giving up on the chiefs yet, i\'m just hoping they get out of their funk before too long. But I agree, how was this team the higest scoring offense over the past 2 seasons? And the run defense is horrible, just flat out horrible. I had two teams I was rooting for coming into the season, the chiefs (of course), and the Ravens (cause I Live in Bmore). At least one of them might be halfway decent to watch.
:rolleyes:
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The only two teams I am rooting for are the Eagle and Falcons. Which the eagles should be superbowl bound this year. Tonite I expect them to give it to the Vikings.
The falcons looked good even though the rams defense isn\'t all that spectatular but damn did vick look magical.
The lions are 2-0 the eagles are coming here next week. I wish I had tickets. Even though I live in detroit I am not rooting for the lions. I don\'t expect them to do good at all. A 2-0 start for the lions could quickly turn into 2-6.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The only two teams I am rooting for are the Eagle and Falcons.
The lions are 2-0 the eagles are coming here next week. I wish I had tickets. Even though I live in detroit I am not rooting for the lions. I don\'t expect them to do good at all. A 2-0 start for the lions could quickly turn into 2-6.
Sports fans like you should be shot.
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Agreed.
And go Jets looking like the team I said they would
And go Giants showing the Joe Gibbs isn\'t what everyone else said he is.
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AFC EAST PREDICTION:
New England 14-2
New York Jets 10-6
Buffalo 6-10
Miami 2-14
give or take one game
Pats Schedule is a cakewalk, only two games I was worried about was @KC and @STL, right now KC doesn\'t look like much of a threat.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Sports fans like you should be shot.
Yeah dude, Qudd could you be more of a fair-weather fan maybe?
Shit, I lived NEAR detroit for only a little over a year and I still root for the Lions.
I\'m not a Lions fan, but I root for \'em.
Oh yeah.... GO BEARS.... BEAT THE PACKERS!
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Originally posted by Luke
Yeah dude, Qudd could you be more of a fair-weather fan maybe?
Shit, I lived NEAR detroit for only a little over a year and I still root for the Lions.
I\'m not a Lions fan, but I root for \'em.
Oh yeah.... GO BEARS.... BEAT THE PACKERS!
I like the Bears for their Defense, namely Mike Brown...
...so I guess I won\'t be rooting for the Bears as hard now that Mikey\'s out for the season :(
Was kinda funny that 2 Huskers scored Defensive TD\'s yesterday, and one of them got it at the dismay of another Husker (Brown\'s TD from Ahman\'s fumble). Go Huskers :)
See Yuz.
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Keep your eye on Thomas Jones, he\'s gonna be a star.
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Originally posted by Luke
Yeah dude, Qudd could you be more of a fair-weather fan maybe?
Shit, I lived NEAR detroit for only a little over a year and I still root for the Lions.
I\'m not a Lions fan, but I root for \'em.
Oh yeah.... GO BEARS.... BEAT THE PACKERS!
I never cared for the lions so why should I start now? They did barry so wrong. The Lions have always been a shitty franchise. I never really liked them and only rooted for them in the pass because of barry. I have no reason to root for the lions now.
If I had had a ticket to next weeks game I would show up to the stadium in full eagles attire
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So why the Eagles? I can see where your coming from with why you don\'t like Detroit, but is there a reason in particular you like the Eagles.
Like for me, most of my life I lived in NJ, but ever since \'96 I have hated the Yankees, they ruined the spirit of baseball. They take out an element of suprise that all sports should have. They effectively destroyed competitiveness than exists.
MLB should take note of the NFL\'s success, free-agency + salary cap keeps players salaries from getting too large (A-Rod is the prime example), and you have to make choices (ala patriots), instead of buying out all of the competition (via Yankees).
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Besides me being a huge McNabb fan. Andy Reid is a brilliant man. He knows exactly how to put a football team together. The eagles franchise overall has done a great job being successful and keeping this team under the salary cap. I mean how can you go against Any Reid this guy deserves all the respect. Seeing how he went from the hot dog stands to head coach.
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I\'ll give ya three reasons you can go against Andy Reid.
2003 NFC Championship game loss
2002 NFC Championship game loss
2001 NFC Championship game loss
If he makes it four in a row, he might not have a chance at making it five.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'ll give ya three reasons you can go against Andy Reid.
2003 NFC Championship game loss
2002 NFC Championship game loss
2001 NFC Championship game loss
If he makes it four in a row, he might not have a chance at making it five.
Exactly.
Philly is not Superbowl bound.
The lions are 2-0 the eagles are coming here next week. I wish I had tickets. Even though I live in detroit I am not rooting for the lions. I don\'t expect them to do good at all. A 2-0 start for the lions could quickly turn into 2-6.
Get on Ebay and buy tickets, ya\' cheap bastard.
;)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'ll give ya three reasons you can go against Andy Reid.
2003 NFC Championship game loss
2002 NFC Championship game loss
2001 NFC Championship game loss
If he makes it four in a row, he might not have a chance at making it five.
point is tho is that he gets them there...hell you gotta remember..it\'s the players out on the field playin..not the coach...yea it does come down to play-calling and such, but ultimately,..it\'s the players..and so many other factors..i\'m not a big philly fan,..but i can respect the coach for takin\' em there 3 yrs in a row...
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Originally posted by clips
point is tho is that he gets them there...hell you gotta remember..it\'s the players out on the field playin..not the coach...yea it does come down to play-calling and such, but ultimately,..it\'s the players..and so many other factors..i\'m not a big philly fan,..but i can respect the coach for takin\' em there 3 yrs in a row...
Problem with that logic is it is also the coaches job to figure out where they went wrong and correct it. The fact that they have been there three times and not won, shows that Andy has not figured the problem out and therefor cannot correct it, and that is just poor coaching.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Problem with that logic is it is also the coaches job to figure out where they went wrong and correct it. The fact that they have been there three times and not won, shows that Andy has not figured the problem out and therefor cannot correct it, and that is just poor coaching.
i can agree with that to a degree..yes if the coach has been there that many times and haven\'t won the "big one",he\'s got some issues to dissect, i still give him credit for gettin them there tho, that\'s what so many teams play for. some teams even know that they won\'t go to the super bowl, but are just happy to make it to the post-season...same thing happened with the bills back in 90\'s. i think they went to tha super bowl what? three times in a row and lost them all...
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Originally posted by clips
i can agree with that to a degree..yes if the coach has been there that many times and haven\'t won the "big one",he\'s got some issues to dissect, i still give him credit for gettin them there tho, that\'s what so many teams play for. some teams even know that they won\'t go to the super bowl, but are just happy to make it to the post-season...same thing happened with the bills back in 90\'s. i think they went to tha super bowl what? three times in a row and lost them all...
I\'m not an Andy hater or even an Eagles hater, but I don\'t think they have a chance in hell of making it to the "big one". They will make it to their division title again and I suspect they\'ll lose it, yet again.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m not an Andy hater or even an Eagles hater, but I don\'t think they have a chance in hell of making it to the "big one". They will make it to their division title again and I suspect they\'ll lose it, yet again.
yea i agree they\'ll make it,..but terril owens may make a difference here...as far as him takin\' the pressure off other receivers,..but eh who knows..it also helps that the east division is weak...*dallas* (my team) giants, wash..probably the weakest division...
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Philly is a 12-4 team who I picked to go to the superbowl, unfortunately I do think that both the Falcons & Vikings are potential threats.
Tonight we see our first preview.
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McNabb is going deep.........caught by T.O
So much for are corners sucking. Shepard and brown have kept Moss in check.
Oh where is james and shocky now:bounce: :p :headbang:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
McNabb is going deep.........caught by T.O
So much for are corners sucking. Shepard and brown have kept Moss in check.
Oh where is james and shocky now:bounce: :p :headbang:
yea i just went to espn.com to check the score..eagles are whoopin that a$$!
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Originally posted by clips
yea i just went to espn.com to check the score..eagles are whoopin that a$$!
The eagles defense has been great. There frontline and secondary has been awesome. Who was it that said our defense would not hold up???????????
The internet? Yo clips you not watching it man?
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The eagles defense have been great. There frontline and secondary has been awesome. Who was it that said our defense would not hold up???????????
The internet? Yo clips you not watching it man?
trust...i wish i could...i\'m at work :(
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Get on Ebay and buy tickets, ya\' cheap bastard.
;)
Man I wanna go so bad but truthfully you are right. I am a cheap bastard:(
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Man I wanna go so bad but truthfully you are right. I am a cheap bastard:(
yo qdog?..what\'s up with the score?..eagles better not sleep just because they got the lead...dante and moss can cause a huge upset....
*meh i take that back,..philly got the game on lock*
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Quddus, in a couple years when the Eagles aren\'t the team they are now who ya gonna root for? Oh, whats that, you\'re not sure what teams gonna be good yet..........ok.
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Three reasons to go against Reid...the three NFC losses? That is, to put things bluntly, horse shit.
He took a 3-13 ball club and turned them into not only one of the most respected franchises in football, but one of the most respected franchises in professional sports. Period.
What is he now? 57-33 with the Eagles? Coach of the year in 2000 and 2002? He\'s made teams that played good in the present, and at the same time were being shaped for the future.
Well, then again, I guess the argument isn\'t that he\'s not a great coach...that would be rediculous. The argument is that those three NFC Championship losses reflect upon his coaching...and possibly his tenure ending should a fourth one occur. That\'s insane. He was just signed to a four year extension simply because he\'s such a great coach, and he (along with joe banner and jeffrie lurie) are doing such a great job with the eagles.
But let\'s relive those three NFC Championships. Three years ago. Eagles vs. Rams. The Eagles were overachieving, they shouldn\'t have gotten their with the roster they had, but REID got them there. Very few expected to see them come out of that one with a victory. Tampa Bay...alright, this one I will put some blame on Reid. He backed off his offensive gameplan and played conservatively...which isn\'t what got the Eagles that far. Last year...there\'s no question...with the roster that we had, and all the injuried coupled in (namely those to our offensive and defensive MVPs come playoff time), we shouldn\'t have been there...but got there through REID\'S coaching. Once there, there\'s not much the coach can do about his WR\'s being manhandled at the LOS...which really wasn\'t a problem before then.
This year...this year we\'ve got the talent AND the coaching to go all the way.
As for the Monday night game...the Eagles played great on both sides of the ball. Just some key things...
*LJ Smith: Is he making any strides in making a believer out of any of you?
*The defense was amazing. The line was getting pressure all game...our secondary kept Moss in check. And our "bend but don\'t break" philosophy worked to a T. Minnesotta wasn\'t comfortable all game, and we used that to our advantage.
3-0 next week in Detroit
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The Eagles are a good team, but I really don\'t think they are going to make it all the way. I think if nothing else, they will have to overcome the mental aspect of the game and in my opinion, that may be enough to hurt them. Also, another factor is depending to much on T.O . You cannot base a team around one player, the 49\'ers learned that. Hell, even the Vikings have learned that with Moss and that is why you see Moss not making as many plays and doing more things, such as blocking.
On a side note, we are just not approaching week three, I don\'t think we can really make guesses on who the big two teams are going to be. It\'s still way to early in the year. All I do know is, my team, the Colts are not Super-bowl bound, due to a slacking defense..
:(
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
The Eagles are a good team, but I really don\'t think they are going to make it all the way. I think if nothing else, they will have to overcome the mental aspect of the game and in my opinion, that may be enough to hurt them. Also, another factor is depending to much on T.O . You cannot base a team around one player, the 49\'ers learned that. Hell, even the Vikings have learned that with Moss and that is why you see Moss not making as many plays and doing more things, such as blocking.
On a side note, we are just not approaching week three, I don\'t think we can really make guesses on who the big two teams are going to be. It\'s still way to early in the year. All I do know is, my team, the Colts are not Super-bowl bound, due to a slacking defense..
:(
heh if it\'s one thing i\'ve noticed about the colts is that they\'re defense is really lacking...if it wasn\'t for manning & james & harrison lighting it up on the offensive side of things..the colts would be in trouble...but yea it\'s way to early to start predicting...*thinks of what happened to pittsburgh last year* started off strong and towards the end just went into a complete slump..
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Originally posted by clips
heh if it\'s one thing i\'ve noticed about the colts is that they\'re defense is really lacking...if it wasn\'t for manning & james & harrison lighting it up on the offensive side of things..the colts would be in trouble...but yea it\'s way to early to start predicting...*thinks of what happened to pittsburgh last year* started off strong and towards the end just went into a complete slump..
That is the great thing about football (or the bad thing, depending on how you look at it). Your team can be doing great and then have a slump that knocks them out of the playoff or your team can comeback from an 0-3 and make it. You just never know how it goes.
With all that said, don\'t let me take away from the Eagles early streak. This time last year they was 0-2 and now they are 3-0. They are playing looser, having more fun and the defense is kicking in. Maybe with the line up changes, the three lost division titles , just maybe they have changed and have the talent *and* desire to take it all the way. We\'ll find out in Janurary.
:)
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Originally posted by Bozco
Quddus, in a couple years when the Eagles aren\'t the team they are now who ya gonna root for? Oh, whats that, you\'re not sure what teams gonna be good yet..........ok.
Besides me being a huge McNabb fan. Andy Reid is a brilliant man. He knows exactly how to put a football team together. The eagles franchise overall has done a great job being successful and keeping this team under the salary cap. I mean how can you go against Any Reid this guy deserves all the respect. Seeing how he went from the hot dog stands to head coach.
I could careless if they are winning or not. I get behing the guys I like. If the eagles where 0-2 with this teams. This would still be my team because I like so many guys on this team. And I think the coach is a brilliant man.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
McNabb is going deep.........caught by T.O
So much for are corners sucking. Shepard and brown have kept Moss in check.
Oh where is james and shocky now:bounce: :p :headbang:
*raises hand*
Daunte was running for his life 75% of the game due to his offensive line blowing chunks and being injured.
When he actually did pass, he went 33 for 43 for 360 yards and a TD to Moss. A lot of those were short routes due to him having to get rid of the ball in 2 seconds, but the fact still remains that he completed over 75% of his passes for over 300 yards. I wouldn\'t exactly call that containment.
When Randy actually DID get thrown to, he made Lito Shephard his bitch. He looked a whole lot better than TO, whose one big catch wasn\'t even a catch anyways (was bobbling it as it went out of bounds with the ref looking right at it). Horray for Mike Tice taking his ability to review plays and shoving it up his own ass.
Personally I was a little unimpressed with both teams. The Vikings didn\'t look that good at all on both sides of the ball, especially trying to run the ball (again, their O-Line was just bad, Kearse was in the backfield every play), and they made stupid mistakes. That said, the fact that this game was still in question as late as 6 minutes left was a little puzzling. Philly had several chances to take the game and run with it, and never really did until they got the TD pass that shouldn\'t have been. If that lack of a Killer Instinct is a sign of things to come, I think there might be trouble down the road for the Eagles.
It\'s a nice win to get in front of the country on Monday Night Football, but you guys have yet to leave the confines of Philly. I want to see this team go to a good team\'s place on the road. As for the Vikings...again, I was very unimpressed. They made critical mistakes at critical points in the ballgame (Dante "Fumble it!" Cullpepper at the half yard line right before halftime). I was also unimpressed with Philly\'s lack of a killer instinct to finally put the game away. To me, the Vikings defense looked very overrated, as their front seven got absolutley torched by Brian Westbrook early. What realy puzzled me is how they just stopped going to Westbrook after he started out so hot in the 1st half. Interesting strategy.
See Yuz.
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All I have to say is this game was a correct call from being a totally different situation. Either way though, Philly continued to show a lot of their weaknesses. I still don\'t think they make the Super Bowl, which is all I was arguing in the first place.
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I hate bye weeks... Pats get the week off before they steamroll Buffalo.
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Heh, confident much? I just can\'t wait til you come out of week 7 in 2nd in the AFC East ;)
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...with buffalo at #1......
:laughing: oh shit, I crack myself up at times.
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I used to be modest about New England, but you don\'t have to when your team wins. Ever since 3 years ago when I proved everyone on this message board wrong about Superbowl XXXVI, I\'ve had this sense of confidence about this team
Oh and shockwaves...
Patriots traded 1st round pick for Belicheck in the year 2000, I think it worked out for the Patriots.
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Patriots stole Belicheck in one of the most under handed moves in football in the past 10 years, don\'t act like that was a trade or that you guys weren\'t absolute pricks for how that played out.
And you didn\'t prove me wrong about that Super Bowl :p I was a month away from starting to post here yet.
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what r u talking about your registered Aug 2000, SB36 was Feb 2002
maybe you just didn\'t post.
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He didn\'t post.
Always bragged to me about how he had a shitload of posts despite the fact that he didn\'t post for over a year after he registered...ahh, the greatness that was the N64CC Message Boards.
See Yuz.
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Registered August 2000, posted about 10 times, left, came back, started posting February 2002. I first registered just cause of the connection to n64cc, then came back during one of the many times when that board was down.
This was the first topic both me and Jamas posted in then: click (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18737)
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Ah ok, then you missed these few threads...
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17722&highlight=patriots
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18175&highlight=patriots
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18439&highlight=patriots
ever since then, I\'ve had this extra sense of pride in my football team.
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Rightly so.
*wonders how this discussion got started*
...Go Chiefs!
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Good GOD do the Chiefs suck. As a Chiefs fan, I truly can\'t believe how this team won 13 games last year.
I was saying it ALL during the off season. I may have said it in the pre-season thread as well. They NEEDED to add some bodies on defense. I told nuff Chief\'s fans that they were bringing back the SAME defense and the defense was going to struggle again. They told me that the Chief\'s defensive problems were due to bad coaching and that the new Defensive coordinator would turn them around. :rolleyes: You can give the San Diego Chargers Vince Lombardi as a coach and they are STILL the San Diego Chargers. Coaching is a huge factor in the NFL but it is nothing without personel.
The Chiefs need to get their offense rolling or they may be in trouble.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m not an Andy hater or even an Eagles hater
Yeah. That hate is reserved for Tom Brady and the Pats. ;)
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When the Colts defense wasn\'t getting bitch slapped by the Titans O-Line they looked decent. They made a couple key plays that really helped them win that game. Nice stops on 4th down and short, twice. When Doss gets healthy that will help, but I still think they need a big DT to help plug up the middle so its not so easy to run up the gut. Anyway the offense looked very good in the 2nd half and as long as Peyton doesn\'t make too many mistakes the Colts will still win a lot of games this year.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
I was saying it ALL during the off season. I may have said it in the pre-season thread as well. They NEEDED to add some bodies on defense. I told nuff Chief\'s fans that they were bringing back the SAME defense and the defense was going to struggle again. They told me that the Chief\'s defensive problems were due to bad coaching and that the new Defensive coordinator would turn them around. :rolleyes: You can give the San Diego Chargers Vince Lombardi as a coach and they are STILL the San Diego Chargers. Coaching is a huge factor in the NFL but it is nothing without personel.
The Chiefs need to get their offense rolling or they may be in trouble.
1. The Chargers are 1-1 and actually played the Jets relatively tough last weekend. Just thought I\'d throw that out there :)
2. Greg Robinson was and will forever be a horrible defensive coordinator. Let me say that right now. I will also say that there is one main ingredient missing from this Kansas City Chiefs Defense, and that\'s a proven leader. I mentioned this a trillion times last year, that Mike Maslowski was the heart and soul of that defense at Middle Linebacker, and when he went down, the entire Chiefs Defense with him. Don\'t believe me?
Chiefs with Mike Maslowski last year: 11-1, gave up 120 yards per game on the ground.
Since (Including Playoffs): 2-5, with wins against the Lions and the Bears at home last year, giving up over 170 ypg on the ground.
Along with that, the front four hasn\'t played to its\' potential whatsoever. Ryan Sims has been one hell of a bust at Defensive Tackle, unless of course he gets his shit together and starts becoming the force that the Chiefs used the #6 pick on in the 2002 NFL Draft.
Gunther Cunningham\'s system works. It worked with Kansas City in the Mid to Late 90\'s, when the Chiefs routinely had a Top 5 defense in the NFL with Derrick Thomas, James Hasty and Dale Carter. Part of it might truly be a talent issue, but I will stick with the fact that this team is a true lockdown corner and a real middle linebacker (Barrett Ruud?) away from being a good defense.
Right now, the Offense isn\'t clicking. That\'s the main problem -- The Chiefs actually hed DeShaun Foster to 80 yards on 24 carries before he broke that long run in the 4th quarter, and by then, the defense had been on the field for basically the entire 2nd half. The Offense was going 3 and out routinely during the game, and of course that could be a testament to the Panthers Defense, but another part of it is the Offensive Line -- Either they\'ve aged in a HURRY, or they\'re simply not gotten cohesive with the new body, John Welbourn. Willie Roaf is out of shape along with that (he got absolutley owned by Mike Rucker all day last Sunday), so that could be another problem. Once the offensive line gets their shit together, the Wide Receivers get healthy, and Trent Green can get his timing down with Kennison, Morton, and Gonzo, the team should be fine.
On the other hand, if this doesn\'t happen...it could very well be a truly ugly season in Kansas City.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Good GOD do the Chiefs suck. As a Chiefs fan, I truly can\'t believe how this team won 13 games last year.
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I was saying it ALL during the off season. I may have said it in the pre-season thread as well. They NEEDED to add some bodies on defense. I told nuff Chief\'s fans that they were bringing back the SAME defense and the defense was going to struggle again. They told me that the Chief\'s defensive problems were due to bad coaching and that the new Defensive coordinator would turn them around. You can give the San Diego Chargers Vince Lombardi as a coach and they are STILL the San Diego Chargers. Coaching is a huge factor in the NFL but it is nothing without personel.
The Chiefs need to get their offense rolling or they may be in trouble.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m not an Andy hater or even an Eagles hater
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Yeah. That hate is reserved for Tom Brady and the Pats.
Exactly.
On a side note, James appears to be out for the Colts sunday due to an injury last weekend. We\'ll see how the Colt\'s offense fairs without such a key element.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Exactly.
We\'ll see how the Colt\'s offense fairs without such a key element.
1-2;)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
1-2;)
I hate to say you may be right, but your prediction may very well come true and that is the problem with the Colt\'s, to much depending on the offense. Dungy, Manning and the team realize the defense is lacking and their logic is that means they need to have a blazing offense who can score in no time, the problem is, you take a key player out of that offense, like James, and now you are not only facing a lacking defense , but possibly an offense that is going to struggle also.
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Domick Rhodes isn\'t a push-over back there, he may be able to open up the passing game a little bit, but that Packers Defense is looking good this year so i dunno.
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I picked up Rhodes in case Holmes can\'t go. My luck i\'ll put in Rhodes and Edge gets the start and Holmes does as well. I also got D. Foster but it\'s his damn bye week. :(
I\'m keeping Holmes in for now, things are looking like he\'ll start.:
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Tony Dungy said today that if James can do the things on Friday that he did today, then he will start. He probably will split more time with Rhodes though.
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The eagles look great. Defense holding up and the offense is clicking. 14-0 right now the can put up half a bill agianst the lions.
3-0 BABY!!!!!!!!
Edit: McNabb looks great out there. I can\'t believe someone here *wink* "james" had the nerve to say this guy was not good. The man is great. His leadership on the field is awesome. The guy looks like he never panics no matter what the situation is.
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Peyton Manning is good....320yds 5tds at HALF TIME!
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The eagles look great. Defense holding up and the offense is clicking. 14-0 right now the can put up half a bill agianst the lions.
Who doesn\'t look great when they open the season against 4(including next week) terrible defenses and only one good offense?
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Originally posted by theomen
Peyton Manning is good....320yds 5tds at HALF TIME!
Exactly. I never want to hear about how he is over-rated. He threw for 5 TD\'s in the first HALF.
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I want to see McNabb go up against a good defense. So far they\'ve been pretty weak. Giants, Vikings, and Lions...big whoop.
Colts looked pretty damn good today, offensively speaking. With the lack of depth in the secondary I guess they played alright. I hope Doss comes back next week, the Colts really need him. Jacksonville is gonna get a little bit of offense to deal with next week. None of this hold them to 10-15 points bs. Colts are putting up at least 24 on them.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Exactly. I never want to hear about how he is over-rated. He threw for 5 TD\'s in the first HALF.
I never thought him to be over-rated. Peyton Manning is the most talented quaterback, but that doesn\'t make him the best. Being the best would imply that he continuously lead your team to victory, no one knows that better than Tom Brady who is still overlooked by many.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The eagles look great. Defense holding up and the offense is clicking. 14-0 right now the can put up half a bill agianst the lions.
3-0 BABY!!!!!!!!
Edit: McNabb looks great out there. I can\'t believe someone here *wink* "james" had the nerve to say this guy was not good. The man is great. His leadership on the field is awesome. The guy looks like he never panics no matter what the situation is.
Two Words: PLAY SOMEBODY!
I\'m pretty sure that I myself could score points on the Lions Defense, without Dre Bly and Boss Bailey. It\'s not that hard. Oh, and by the way, nice job \'containing\' Roy Williams. 7 catches, 139 yards, 2 TD\'s. Good job.
As for my Chiefs...words cannot describe the amount of frustration that I had today over this team. Who in the **** throws the ball on 2nd and goal from the 1 when you have PRIEST FREAKING HOLMES?! God.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I never thought him to be over-rated. Peyton Manning is the most talented quaterback, but that doesn\'t make him the best. Being the best would imply that he continuously lead your team to victory, no one knows that better than Tom Brady who is still overlooked by many.
Never said he is the best - but it has been stated in this thread that he was over-rated and I disagree.
As for Eagles - they have only played one team really, Vikings and they aren\'t known for their outstanding defense, now are they?
;)
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Who in the **** throws the ball on 2nd and goal from the 1 when you have PRIEST FREAKING HOLMES?! God.
See Yuz.
I couldn\'t believe it either, Holmes is AUTOMATIC within the 5 yd line. Gets no easier next week against Baltimore. Going up against a great defense and one of the hardest running RBs in the league.
:(
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[note to self] keep Jamal Lewis in the starting lineup for fantasy football [/note to self]
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saw that colts game, yea manning can light it up,..but what does that say for the defense? farve put up some pretty impressive numbers as well..once indy tightens up the D lookout! :eek:
wtf happened to tha browns? i\'m not a browns fan, but any team that\'s goin against the g-men, i root for them..the browns were playin like the bungling bengals of a few years ago...only thing the giants have is their D..and shockey is a bitch-ass drama queen...
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speaking of the bungles....*sigh*
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This just in........
[SIZE=10]BUCS SUCK!!![/SIZE] [/FONT] [/I]
And since we suck so bad.. How about I go ahead and end a dude\'s career.
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looks like a handjob, and Rich is hit\'n the big O
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Good thing they got Kerry Collins.
At least TB scored an offensive touchdown...
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Who doesn\'t look great when they open the season against 4(including next week) terrible defenses and only one good offense?
Two Words: PLAY SOMEBODY!
I\'m pretty sure that I myself could score points on the Lions Defense, without Dre Bly and Boss Bailey. It\'s not that hard. Oh, and by the way, nice job \'containing\' Roy Williams. 7 catches, 139 yards, 2 TD\'s. Good job.
See Yuz.
The vikings and giants are both playoff teams. And I would not call chicago terrible defense.
Well we got the panthers coming up so after we spank there ass I hope all this eagle hating stops. When this teams wins the superbowl people will be doubting us.
And roy williams is great. The guy just has all the goods. He is going to be something special. And roy williams was the only receiver that was getting any catches.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The vikings and giants are both playoff teams.
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Buahahaha! You have GOT to be kidding me.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
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Buahahaha! You have GOT to be kidding me.
yea qdog i gotta agree with shocky on this one at least as far as the giants are concerned...only thing giants got goin\' for them is their D...i don\'t know about the vikes..they started last year 6-0 then plummeted the rest of their season....no doubt tho..the eagles are a better team this year than last...i can\'t help but think that t.o. made the difference here...only because alot of the focus is on him,..which gives the other players time to shine...
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LOL i did not mean they where guranteed to make the playoffs but the giants sure can get there on a wild card.
The vikings will make the playoffs
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I don\'t understand how the Giants even should be considered a team that has a shot. They had the NFL\'s worst record last year, they downgraded their defense, and switched Kerry Collins with Kurt Warner. How that makes the worst team in the NFL into a playoff contender I don\'t know.
I would love to share your optimism, but I just think it\'s misplaced here.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I don\'t understand how the Giants even should be considered a team that has a shot. They had the NFL\'s worst record last year, they downgraded their defense, and switched Kerry Collins with Kurt Warner. How that makes the worst team in the NFL into a playoff contender I don\'t know.
I would love to share your optimism, but I just think it\'s misplaced here.
If Kurt warner stays consistent I believe they will have a shot. There offense looks much better with kurt at the helm. There next game is against the pakers. Who\'s defense did not look so hot against the colts. If there offense stays consistent the giants could be looking at 6-2 bye week 9. There next 5 games the schedule isn\'t that tough. If they pull out the win against packers I see it happening.
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Man the cowboys suck. They barely got this one over the skins who defense and offense looked terrible.
I hate the cowboys man I hope the giants kick there ass.
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Man, teh Bills played their best game yet this past Sunday.....
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Man the cowboys suck. They barely got this one over the skins who defense and offense looked terrible.
I hate the cowboys man I hope the giants kick there ass.
sorry to bust your dome qdog,..but my boys are gonna whoop the giants ass! yea both teams looked sloppy last night...but a win is win anyway you look at it...and don\'t sleep, didn\'t we make chicken wings outa the eagles last year? ;)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
. There offense looks much better with kurt at the helm. There next game is against the pakers. Who\'s defense did not look so hot against the colts.
Um...The Colts can make ANY defense look bad, well any except the frickin Patriots. Also Mike McKenzie the Packers best CB was "injured" for the Colts game so who knows.
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Originally posted by unfocused
Um...The Colts can make ANY defense look bad, well any except the frickin Patriots. Also Mike McKenzie the Packers best CB was "injured" for the Colts game so who knows.
Yeah but the packers secondary looked horrible. I mean payton was basicly doing the samething and the packs still could not adjust. That kept blizing the QB with no success. And when farve is rushed lookout "interception"
This one I think the giants can pick up.
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You seem to have a lot of faith in the Giants. I don\'t know why, the only reason I can think of is your "The Giants are a playoff team" remark, and you\'re hoping that they don\'t make you eat your words.
The Packers Defensive Scheme against the Colts was horrible. They were bringing 8 at Peyton, and, like the good quarterback that he is, absolutley torched them. He\'s a smart quarterback, and he\'s one of the best in the game. Simple as that.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Yeah but the packers secondary looked horrible. I mean payton was basicly doing the samething and the packs still could not adjust. That kept blizing the QB with no success. And when farve is rushed lookout "interception"
This one I think the giants can pick up.
Well, when you blitz Manning when he has 3 WRs on the field, expect to get burned. Edgerrin is one of the better blocking RBs in the league. Favre actually didn\'t throw any INTs, so there goes that argument. Besides Favre has one of the best offensive lines in the NFL to help him out.
Im predicting the Colts are the first team to put up 30 on the Jags this weekend.
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Giants playoff team material? Oh my god, I can\'t stop laughing.
Eagles win the Super bowl? Too funny.
Colts put up 30 against the Jaguars? Sorta funny, but possible.
The Cowboys suck? Eh - this is hard to say. With Vinny as the QB, they certainly are not playoff material like Bill would like them to me. However, they simply have to much talent on the team to be considered a team that "sucks". Not to say I\'m a fan tho\', I think of the new Cowboys as the Yankee\'s of Football, only difference is a salary cap.
:D
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
You seem to have a lot of faith in the Giants. I don\'t know why, the only reason I can think of is your "The Giants are a playoff team" remark, and you\'re hoping that they don\'t make you eat your words.
The Packers Defensive Scheme against the Colts was horrible. They were bringing 8 at Peyton, and, like the good quarterback that he is, absolutley torched them. He\'s a smart quarterback, and he\'s one of the best in the game. Simple as that.
See Yuz.
Well I like Kurt Warner yes I said it. I think the guy is good. I have always liked him. I have been secretly rooting for him this year. I hate the rams for getting rid of him and I hope they burn in hell.
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I\'m calling it now, Jags upset Colts this weekend.
Jacksonville is playing some wicked hard defense, but Indy has the tools to beat it. Manning has a problem with good defenses though. (New England, Carolina)
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"He Hurt Me" :p
http://jaybauer24.tripod.com/cowboysvids/Royhit.mpg
http://jaybauer24.tripod.com/cowboysvids/final.mpg
Tony Dixon:
http://jaybauer24.tripod.com/cowboysvids/Dixon.mpg
:eek:
Man my Cowboys suck this year but atleast we\'re lighting some people up.
Almost forgot...
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^^^^:laughing: yo, i love this guy! nice to see another dallas head! psx-j don\'t let these clowns brainwash you..heh we may not be that good, but we damn sure ain\'t the worst...oh and nice post! ;)
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No team with Bill Parcells can ever be counted out.
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Chiefs suck.
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Kurt Warner has proven his worth.
He has proven 99-01 was no fluke.
And he will show the world that Sunday when he beats Greenbay
With Kurt Warner you will not have 41-0 or 3 int playoff loses like Peyton Mannying.
Give Warner a football and most things are possible.
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Please refrain from mentioning Warner in the same breath as Manning.
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Originally posted by alliswell
Kurt Warner has proven his worth.
He has proven 99-01 was no fluke.
And he will show the world that Sunday when he beats Greenbay
With Kurt Warner you will not have 41-0 or 3 int playoff loses like Peyton Mannying.
Give Warner a football and most things are possible.
Are you his PR, because that is the least inspired post ever.
Oh and never mention Warner and Manning in the same sentence.
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Yeah, Warner can\'t hold a candle to Manning, and he\'ll be replaced by that other Manning at year\'s end anyway.
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I don\'t even think its worth my time to show you how much better Manning is than Warner.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Yeah, Warner can\'t hold a candle to Manning, and he\'ll be replaced by that other Manning at year\'s end anyway.
So very true. Warner is nothing but a temporary .
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18 Straight for New England
3-0 on the year.
Tom Brady leads them to another victory in the 4th quater.
Tied the record, try to make it their own next week in Miami.
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lol, Miama.
Anyone see the last play of that game?
In a move of pure Genius, down by 8 points with 2 minutes left, Fiedler decides to try and lateral the ball to a O. lineman.... WHILE THE LINEMAN IS BLOCKING. Good job Dolphins.
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If the Jets aren\'t 7-1 for the first half of the season I will be VERY surprised. Look at their schedule. 4 of their next 5 opponents are 0-3. That shit is ridiculous.
I\'m happy my Pats are doing well but I\'m a little worried. They have some issues that need to be ironed out.
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Omg the eagles looked great once again. This team can be 8-0 by season half.
I have been saying it all along the giant can make the playoffs. I am telling you guys they can do it.
Mike Vick is fabolous. I mean there offense was on point to today and there defense showed up. Falcons are hot!!!!!!!!!
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Haha. Some problems that need ironed out? They have a lot of problems that need ironed out, one being Dillions problem with holding onto the ball.
The Eagles look great? Look who they played for God Sakes (sorry, Luke). It is not as if they played a great team. The only team they have played worth a damn is the Vikings.
And who was it that predicted the Jaguars would upset my Colts? Ha! We may not be Superbowl caliber , but the Jaguars couldn\'t pull that one out.
Also tend to agree with Gohan, the Jets should easily be 7-1.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Haha. Some problems that need ironed out? They have a lot of problems that need ironed out, one being Dillions problem with holding onto the ball.
The Eagles look great? Look who they played for God Sakes (sorry, Luke). It is not as if they played a great team. The only team they have played worth a damn is the Vikings.
And who was it that predicted the Jaguars would upset my Colts? Ha! We may not be Superbowl caliber , but the Jaguars couldn\'t pull that one out.
Also tend to agree with Gohan, the Jets should easily be 7-1.
So you can honestly say after seeing the eagles so far through the season they don\'t look good? I don\'t care who they play. You still have too show up and play football everyweek. And it\'s anyone\'s game come sunday. Why can\'t you guys just admit that the eagles are good?
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I don\'t understand how the Colts get an extremely difficult schedule to start the season and the Eagles who lost in the same game last year as the Colts (conference championship) had a cupcake schedule to start.
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Im sure it will even out eventually.
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So....
How about them 49er\'s?
:D
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^^^
Very Sad.
I love my team though.
They suck.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Haha. Some problems that need ironed out? They have a lot of problems that need ironed out, one being Dillions problem with holding onto the ball.
Stop being a douche. Dillon fumbled for the first time in 200+ carries. Your boy Edge fumbles more than that before breakfast.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Stop being a douche. Dillon fumbled for the first time in 200+ carries. Your boy Edge fumbles more than that before breakfast.
Difference being I hate the Partriots and love the Colts, therefor I can be biased and pick out and point where New England messes up.
Get with the program, slacker.
:)
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Point to LIC
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Although New England is undefeated and riding that win strek, based on performance, the Iggles are definitely the NFL\'s most talented team.
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You definately gotta see the Eagles as playoff contenders. Even I can admit that... and I hate the Eagles, I work in an office full of Eagles fans...
It sucks to come to work on Monday hearing them jabber on about them. I just wanna kick McNabb in the nuts.
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Personally, (not to try to be the resident Eagles hater or anything...) I can\'t see how you can say the Eagles looked great after that game on Sunday. That was a sloppy game, in which they looked pretty awful against a team that wasn\'t too good to start with, and were without their 2 best defensive players and their QB.
And go NY! A combined 6-1, amazing. And the Jets, god. records of the teams they play the next 5 weeks: 0-3, 0-3, 3-0, 0-3, 0-3. If they can go into New England and pull off a win, they\'re very realisticly looking at an 8-0 start. I think this is a playoff team for sure this year, as I said to begin the season.
I\'m also amazed at how well the Giants O-Line is coming together. They certainly aren\'t playing like the worst in the league, and that\'s making a world of difference on offense. Tiki Barber is back to his 2002 form when he looked like a pro bowler, and it\'s cause of the O-Line. That, and the defense is coming together, even with all the new players in place. I honestly think if that Eagles game were played now, we would have been able to make it closer, simply because this was a team that needed to gel and become familiar with eachother and the new system. They are a better team now than the one that lost to the Eagles.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I don\'t understand how the Giants even should be considered a team that has a shot. They had the NFL\'s worst record last year, they downgraded their defense, and switched Kerry Collins with Kurt Warner. How that makes the worst team in the NFL into a playoff contender I don\'t know.
I would love to share your optimism, but I just think it\'s misplaced here.
Originally posted by shockwaves
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Buahahaha! You have GOT to be kidding me.
So are you saying that the Giants have a shot now?
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Quddus, we get it, the Giants aren\'t completley terrible right now. Congrats, you were actually halfway right about something. Continue to revel in it. It\'s a first, and you should be proud.
In the meantime, I\'m gearin\' for this Monday Night game...the Chiefs absolutley need an upset win tonight in order to get the season back on track. If the Chiefs don\'t win, there\'s a very good chance that their way too far in the hole to crawl back out of it.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Quddus, we get it, the Giants aren\'t completley terrible right now. Congrats, you were actually halfway right about something. Continue to revel in it. It\'s a first, and you should be proud.
In the meantime, I\'m gearin\' for this Monday Night game...the Chiefs absolutley need an upset win tonight in order to get the season back on track. If the Chiefs don\'t win, there\'s a very good chance that their way too far in the hole to crawl back out of it.
See Yuz.
So the dynamic duo is admitting defeat?
p.s chieft sucks
+1
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What kind of an Eagles fan roots for the Giants, anyways?
The Chiefs have completley outplayed the Ravens in the 1st half on both sides of the ball. Too bad they still have to play special teams, because those have been downright awful.
Tied at 17 at halftime, and I have no clue how. C\'mon Chiefs...continue the great play in the 2nd half, and get the Special Teams up to snuff.
See Yuz.
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The Giants win a game against the falling apart Packers and now the Giants are a great team..
Eh?
I am confused on this logic.
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Eh, let the kid have his moment in the sun. After all, it\'s Quddus! qUDDUS! :)
And the Chiefs find a way to hold on...27-24, HUGE win by the Chiefs. I will take them any way they come, especially on the road.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Eh, let the kid have his moment in the sun. After all, it\'s Quddus! qUDDUS! :)
And the Chiefs find a way to hold on...27-24, HUGE win by the Chiefs. I will take them any way they come, especially on the road.
See Yuz.
Your not even older than me.
And don\'t be hater looks bad on you.
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Mentality my friend
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Originally posted by Bozco
Mentality my friend
:rolleyes: Oh yes he knows me personally:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
So are you saying that the Giants have a shot now?
Regardless of what happens, the Giants team the Eagles played at the beginning of the season was not a playoff team, therefor my point stands.
And I still very very highly doubt they make the playoffs. I just am getting excited over my home town team.
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being a dallas fan and all i will say this...we are going to whoop that ass (giants) this sunday period...god i hate the giants...so overrated...i live in jersey were boh teams jets/giants play in the same stadium and i like the jets a whole lot more than that overrated team....
yea they have talent but i don\'t think it\'s nowhere what people are perceiving it to be...
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Jets are definitely better than the Giants... Jonathan Vilma fits in well from what I\'ve seen.
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Wait wait wait...a Miami U Fan making a comment about a former Canes player? UNHEARD OF!
Ahman Green for President.
See Yuz.
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Is Ricky Williams the biggest knucklehead ever or what?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1897796
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Originally posted by Luke
Is Ricky Williams the biggest knucklehead ever or what?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1897796
It hasn\'t been six months and he "misses football". Give me a break. He wants more money and realizes , oddly enough, all the money he already has won\'t last him while he lives it up.
Well that and this part..
By returning to the Dolphins, Williams could avoid paying $8.6 million for breach of contract.
:)
If the Dolphin\'s have any balls, they will say no thank you.
I supported Ricky when he left for his big grand reason, but now to turn about face in less than six months due to him not wanting to give money back he did not earn, well, I won\'t support that.
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^^^sheeit and on top of that this cat has stated that if he did return it would only be for one more season! f**k that! keep that ass where-ever you are and continue tip-toeing thru tha tulips!:ghey:
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Its funny. His teammates are split. On one hand they are pissed that he deserted them in the first place and on the other hand they know they suck and that they need help.
It should be interesting to see how this pans out.
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c,mon dallas whoop that ass! it\'s 7-3 we\'re up... still early tho 2nd qtr..
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Ha, Chris Simms makes his debut for the Bucs, and wouldn\'t you know it, he\'s injured.
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F-Dallas go GIANTS I live in Texas and all I see are these sorry ass Cowboy fans, I hate it with a passion.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
F-Dallas go GIANTS I live in Texas and all I see are these sorry ass Cowboy fans, I hate it with a passion.
you my friend need to be thrown out of the state...and hung on a tree by your balls! how can you say go giants?! that overrated bunch of premadonna\'s...i hope we embarrass them...
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sheeeeiiit! wtf 26-10? dallas is pissin me the F**k off! damn looks like we\'re gonna take a L in this one...that\'s aight tho...we\'ll come to the meadowlands at the end of the season and whoop that a$$ in their backyard!
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so mo ricky news...guess he\'s not :ghey: after all eh?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZ2NvMjltBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-dolphins-williamssuit&prov=ap&type=lgns
maybe this why he NEEDS to come back :p...child support is gonna hit him up something terrible!..
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24-10 Patriots Win
19 in row... new NFL record, extremely amazing in this age of free-agency.
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Haha, the Giants seem to be a good group you don\'t think??? Dallas is a good team and the Giants man handled them.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Haha, the Giants seem to be a good group you don\'t think??? Dallas is a good team and the Giants man handled them.
what the hell is a mjps21983 anyway? :mad: :p.j/k..i said it before all the gmen have is a good defense..yea yea i know defense wins games more than offense...but eh whatever..we\'ll get \'em at the end of the season!..
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MJ is my initials, ps2 for a ps2 website and 1983 is my birth year, corny maybe but I couldn\'t think of anyhting else when i started here, I want to change it to what I have at the madden forums but I\'ve never pm\'d an admin to do it for me.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
MJ is my initials, ps2 for a ps2 website and 1983 is my birth year, corny maybe but I couldn\'t think of anyhting else when i started here, I want to change it to what I have at the madden forums but I\'ve never pm\'d an admin to do it for me.
heh heh!..you didn\'t have to explain that bro...i was just bustin on ya because i knew you was gonna pop s**t about my boys losin! :p eh but now i DO know what mjps21983 stands for! :D
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rams came back on the seahawks..and won in ot...makes no sense...hawks were up 24-7 at the half..
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
24-10 Patriots Win
19 in row... new NFL record, extremely amazing in this age of free-agency.
That would be a bit more impressive if they would of played any teams of calibur (\'cept for the Colts) this season. Still, congrats to them.
Oh and..
Haha @ Dallas!
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The next two are...
Seattle and NY Jets
Seattle would have been more of a threat but they nosedived today.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
19 in row... new NFL record, extremely amazing in this age of free-agency.
Its a record but not an NFL one. The NFL only recognizes regular season wins. So in the NFL\'s eyes the Pat\'s streak is at 16.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
That would be a bit more impressive if they would of played any teams of calibur (\'cept for the Colts) this season.
They beat plenty of high-caliber teams last season and you STILL said it was unimpressive.
BTW, Peyton sucks. ;) :D
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Note that I said this season. Not last season. It\'s still an impressive record, but I wish New England would of had a tougher schedule, so that this record meant even more.
By the way - Brady\'s a pu$$y.
;)
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The Patriots are playing a first place schedule, the trouble is it only counts for 2 games, and 1 of the 2 is a let down (Kansas City).
You have to realize schedules are done by a formula, nothing can be done, don\'t blame to Patriots, they don\'t pick and choose their opponents.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
The Patriots are playing a first place schedule, the trouble is it only counts for 2 games, and 1 of the 2 is a let down (Kansas City).
You have to realize schedules are done by a formula, nothing can be done, don\'t blame to Patriots, they don\'t pick and choose their opponents.
I didn\'t blame the Patriots. Point out where I said it was the Patriots fault for playing such an easy schedule. Never once did I. I simply pointed out that by NFL standards, the Patriots a number one team have been playing scrubs.
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HEy my Chiefs pulled out another Lossless weekend so I\'m happy
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I suppose it helps to have a bye to do that. Colts looked good again, hopefully they get can their secondary healthy in the bye week coming up.
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Originally posted by clips
being a dallas fan and all i will say this...we are going to whoop that ass (giants) this sunday period...god i hate the giants...so overrated...i live in jersey were boh teams jets/giants play in the same stadium and i like the jets a whole lot more than that overrated team....
yea they have talent but i don\'t think it\'s nowhere what people are perceiving it to be...
Ok, let me counter that. The Giants, until someone else proves otherwise, are the NFL\'s most underrated team. They had no respect coming into the season, and still have none, yet they are 4-1 (tying them with Atlanta for the 2nd best record in the NFC), and they have beaten two playoff teams from last year already (Dallas and Green Bay).
Tiki Barber is having an absolute monster year right now. He already has 577 yards, 1st in the NFL, and 155 yards ahead of the 2nd best guy in the NFC. He is 3rd in the Conference in rushing TD\'s, and has over 200 receiving yards to go with that, but most importantly, he has no fumbles. Kurt Warner has a QB rating over 90, 6th best in the conference. Keep in mind also, that what they did yesterday was against last year\'s #1 defense.
As for the Giant defense, they are 4th best in the NFC in scoring defense with only 14.4 points allowed a game. They are first in total takeaways with 13, and first in fewest giveaways with 3, for obviously the best turnover margin in the conference at +10 (as a side note...best in the AFC: Jets at +8 :D)
So please tell me...how exactly is this team that\'s putting up these kind of numbers and that many wins so far, yet getting no respect, overrated?
Oh yeah, **** Dallas. We handed you guys your asses, and if you watched it you know we should have won by more.
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Originally posted by unfocused
I suppose it helps to have a bye to do that. Colts looked good again, hopefully they get can their secondary healthy in the bye week coming up.
Hey I\'ll take anything right now thats not a loss. :D
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Ok, let me counter that. The Giants, until someone else proves otherwise, are the NFL\'s most underrated team. They had no respect coming into the season, and still have none, yet they are 4-1 (tying them with Atlanta for the 2nd best record in the NFC), and they have beaten two playoff teams from last year already (Dallas and Green Bay).
Tiki Barber is having an absolute monster year right now. He already has 577 yards, 1st in the NFL, and 155 yards ahead of the 2nd best guy in the NFC. He is 3rd in the Conference in rushing TD\'s, and has over 200 receiving yards to go with that, but most importantly, he has no fumbles. Kurt Warner has a QB rating over 90, 6th best in the conference. Keep in mind also, that what they did yesterday was against last year\'s #1 defense.
As for the Giant defense, they are 4th best in the NFC in scoring defense with only 14.4 points allowed a game. They are first in total takeaways with 13, and first in fewest giveaways with 3, for obviously the best turnover margin in the conference at +10 (as a side note...best in the AFC: Jets at +8 :D)
So please tell me...how exactly is this team that\'s putting up these kind of numbers and that many wins so far, yet getting no respect, overrated?
Oh yeah, **** Dallas. We handed you guys your asses, and if you watched it you know we should have won by more.
Uh oh...sounds like somebody didn\'t get any this weekend :-D
And hey, the Chiefs DIDN\'T lose this weekend! Holy shit! Keep the good times rolling against the Jags this weekend :)
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Giants, until someone else proves otherwise, are the NFL\'s most underrated team.
I will be the first to disagree. The Giants had a bad season last year, but we\'re one or two players away from being a good team. The Lions on the other hand were completely inferior at almost every position last year, this was due to inexperience mostly.
A year later, the Giants are doing what they should be doing, with Warner and Barber. Tell me this, besides Harrington, how many detroit players are household names? None. The Lions did a great job in the draft the past three years, and are 3-1 beating the previously undefeated Falcons, the Lions are the most underrated team.
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Anybody else watching this monday night game right now?
This is the worst officiating I\'ve ever seen... Seriously.
I bet the NFL pressured the ref\'s into not letting there be ANOTHER monday night blowout.
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Conspiracy theory.
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Yes, indeed. Farve is pathetic tonight, he has thrown two INT - three if you count the one BAD call. Packer defense is even more pathetic.
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here\'s a better question...
why can\'t we have GOOD Monday Night Football games?
I mean, I know that these decisions are made before the season, but Greenbay has already had two Monday night games. Meanwhile the Seahawks, Colts, Jets, and Pats get no love on the Monday night scene.
Monday night football should have a tentative schedule and they should put the most important games on Monday nights.
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The Boston Sports Guy made a good suggestion where they would schedule two monday night games and ABC would pick which game to broadcast nationally based on relevance. A lot of people make plans months in advance when it comes to the NFL so making a schedule tentative just isn\'t viable.
For example, My uncle has had Pat\'s season tickets for a LONG time and he always makes a point to go to one road game during the season and ALWAYS picks Monday Night Road games(if available). He has to plan the trip in advance to make sure logistics are straight and he couldn\'t do that on a tentative schedule.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I will be the first to disagree. The Giants had a bad season last year, but we\'re one or two players away from being a good team. The Lions on the other hand were completely inferior at almost every position last year, this was due to inexperience mostly.
A year later, the Giants are doing what they should be doing, with Warner and Barber. Tell me this, besides Harrington, how many detroit players are household names? None. The Lions did a great job in the draft the past three years, and are 3-1 beating the previously undefeated Falcons, the Lions are the most underrated team.
How many Lions are household names? Depends, are you a college sports fan? Their team is younger, but with those two first rounders, they were hyped a lot more than the Giants. The only player on the Giants who got any hype during the offseason is on the bench right now.
As for playing up to their potential, tell that to the experts. CBS sportsline had them ranked last entering the season. And seriously, this is a team that went 4-12 last year and replacing Collins with Warner was the only big change. Besides that, they lost starters or replaced them with comparale guys, and didn\'t actually upgrade anywhere.
As for Detroit, I would claim that they are not as good as the Giants right now. They beat undefeated Atlanta, but that\'s the only good team they\'ve beaten. Chicago and Houston? Not exactly that hard. As for the Falcons, I\'d say if you watched that game, they really wanted to lose it. How many times did they put the ball on the ground, 4? When you\'re given that, you better win.
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Right now I think the Cardinals could beat the Packers...they looked awful.
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It seems that Kurt Warner has made alot of believers out of his haters/disbelievers. Yet some still refuse to give him any credit. Excuses excuses. They say oh that was a bad team or oh they slept through the Giants but the results don\'t lie.
As for you Warner haters who say dont mention Manning in the same sentence as Warner, well, lets see. Peyton Manning in his 6th season is 1-2 in the playoffs, including a 41-0 loss and a 3 INT loss, I dont think he ever led the league in TD passes, and has only coMVP honors. Not to mention he has played with those recievers for 5+years now and has the maybe the best 1-2-3 reciever combo in the NFL. They seem to be wide open on every play. Sure, Warner\'s receivers got open alot too, but look at the stats he layed down. Considerably better than Mannings
Kurt Warner on the other hand
First season as a starter led league in TD passes, won the super bowl, and league mvp honors.
Third season once again led the league in TD passes, won MVP honors, came back from a deficit in the 4th qtr to tie the game with 2 minutes left only for his defense to blow his chances for MVP by letting and a second superbowl in 3 years by letting Brady get a field goal.
2002 was a tough season, like the season Favre is going through now. But unlike Favre, everybody said Warner is washed up. But as for Favre everybody says oh he;ll be fine. Very Bias.
2003 Warner throws for 342 yds. The game is marred byhim fumbling 6 times in the first half after receiving a concussion. After half time he is fine, doesnt fumble, and goes something like 17-23 for 200 yds. Yet he is benched for the player favorite, Bulger.
2004: QB rating over 90 (he is the NFL\'s highest rated passer in history) only 1 int and a completion percentage of 65%.
Hes getting it done
Also Warner has a better personality than Manning, Peyton. Manning rolls his eyes at recievers when they drop the ball, etc. And he seems to only spend time with Marvin harrison, always setting next to him on the bench etc. Not to mention Mike Vanderjagt\'s comments on how he didnt really care when the Jets whipped him 41-0 in the playoffs.
As for the green bay refs, I spoke about them a year ago in a post like this. They played the vikings at home. I said the refs are bias at home to green bay and my comments where shrugged off. Trust me, lambou advantage is really the referee advantage.
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All that time of yours wasted. It\'s as simple as watching them both play to see which is better.
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Kurt Warner has resurected his career that was in shambles all credit to him, I\'m loving that he brought the Giants from the cellar to 4-1, but theres antoher um 11 games to be played don\'t count your chickens too soon, Warner better Peyton, thats just funny.
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Oh, anyone heard of Roy Williams boy is the shiznit. Ok, so only reason I\'ve heard of him is cuz he went to UT, but the boy was a Heisman Candidate, thats a household name to alot, a household name would be Jordan, I wouldn\'t consider even Harrington a household name.
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Go Pats, sunday vs. seattle.
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I didnt say Warner was better at the moment. I said he had better seasons and accomplished more in 3 years than Manning has in 6.
Also, Warner is playing with a new team, offense, coach, and a horrid offensive line. No way you can compare manning to warner at this time. I didnt even try to
I compared their past
Warner in 99 or 01 or even 00 was better than manning any of his seasons
Unfair to say warner is so bad he shouldnt be mentioned in same sentence as peyton for all he accomplished in the past and his accomplishing now
Props to Mannning , hes having a stellar season, but I would like to see him play in a conservative offense with a new coach recievers and a bad o line, the same thing warner is doing now, and see how good he does
giants will go 10-6 or 11-5
I also see Warner as a cowboy or a raven next year
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Were talking about two different QB\'s in two different parts of their careers, it\'s kind of an unfair argument.
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So true Hurricane. Put Manning in that system with Faulk and those 3 WR\'s he would have broken so many records its not even funny. Peyton Manning doesn\'t play defense so you can\'t fault him for that, Warner was in a great situation and kudo\'s for him taking advantage of that, but I\'d take a 2-3 year NFL experienced Manning over Warner any part of his career.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Oh, anyone heard of Roy Williams boy is the shiznit. Ok, so only reason I\'ve heard of him is cuz he went to UT, but the boy was a Heisman Candidate, thats a household name to alot, a household name would be Jordan, I wouldn\'t consider even Harrington a household name.
He was NEVER a Heisman candidate.
With Chris Simms and Chance Mock throwing him the football, he never put up truly great numbers. Texas was running the football more often than not during his tenure there, and even when he was getting the football, he had a tendency to drop a LOT of passes. At first I thought you were talking about the Roy Williams that went to OU and shut down the UT Roy Williams during the Red River Shootout, but apparently that\'s not the case.
Kind of an out of the blue post, also convenient that it\'s not even true.
See Yuz.
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Roy Williams is good now for the Lions now.
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Originally posted by alliswell
Also, Warner is playing with a new team, offense, coach, and a horrid offensive line. No way you can compare manning to warner at this time. I didnt even try to
Bullshit. First of all, if you actually watch the games and see how the offensive line is playing, it\'s playing very well. It is at worst average, so don\'t go saying it hasn\'t been. I\'ve argued with you plenty on Warner, but I\'m not gonna have you make it out to be an MVP on a team of trash that he\'s carrying, cause that\'s not fair, at all.
And in case you hadn\'t noticed, the MVP of this team so far is not Warner, it\'s Barber.
And no, Warner is not even in the same sentence as Manning today. That\'s what we\'re talking about. By the way, an interesting note of comparison, they are only 5 years apart in age and have been in the league the same number of years, so I think comparing them now is perfectly fair. The other thing...Manning is just entering his prime, Warner is past his prime. So...yeah.
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Maybe candidate was wrong, potential was a better word ROL, if he had someone to pass to him he would have been alot better and put up better numbers.
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He DID have someone who is now a starter in the NFL throwing to him for most of his career.
And it\'s funny how you say he was a household name cause he was a heisman candidate, which isn\'t true, but also said Harrington, who was a heisman candidate...perhaps more than anyone in recent memory due to that Oregon promotional campaign, isn\'t.
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Damnit he\'s a household name in Texas, you people in New York care about anyone else besides what goes on in your own state??? J/k I\'m out of my element here with college football I admit it, but Harrington isn\'t a household name he\'s a household name if your mom knows who he is, and I\'m positive my mother knows nothing of him.
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Roy Williams is not a household name outside of your state.
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20 in a row for the Patriots...
it\'s all set for next week in Foxoboro.
NY Jets (5-0) @ New England Patriots (5-0)
Time to see what NY is made of.
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Man the cowboys scewed up today.
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yo..wtf is up with my boys?..it seems we had a better squad with galloway,..carter & gasp! hambrick!...we should not be losin games like this..i didn\'t see the game but caudght some highlights of it and towards the end they were tryin to do some ol tricky plays type s**t..:rolleyes: they shouldn\'t have been put in the situation to begin with..on paper this team is better than last year\'s, but they sure aren\'t playin like it..
s**t that\'s my team tho gotta stick with \'em through thick & thin..and what is going on with philly? yo mcnabb & owens? yo these cats are just wildin\' in philly...what a difference one player makes...
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I don\'t know what it is, the defense is so much worser than last years, and they basically have the same players. Go figure.
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Did the Cowboys lose a CB or something from last year because it seemed like they had two good CBs but now all they really have is the guy from K State...is it Terrence Newman I think hes #41.
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Well, two of their defensive backs are injured, but the defense was so deep last year, I really don\'t know what\'s going on with the Cowboys this year.
Patriot\'s defense isn\'t amazing, but they get the job done when they have to.
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i never really payed attention to the cb position until unfocused mentioned that. i only really recognize terrence newman..the other two corners jacques reeves and bruce thornton are rookies so ireally don\'t know what happened in the off season, but like hurricane stated our defense is what kept us in alot of games last year..and now our D has holes all over the place...
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Darren Woodson was the other corner. Yeah, he was pretty good the last I checked. I don\'t know what\'s up with him, but he hasn\'t been playing. Not a good sign for the Cowboys when you lose arguably your best defensive player.
But, as long as you have 2nd year corner Terrance Newman :-P
See Yuz.
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He\'s injured I believe, at least the last I heard he was.
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All I have to say is look at the eagles. They are by far the best team in the league. And you had alot of haters on this forum talking shit about them. Saying there defense would suffer and all the other bullshit. Tisk....tisk........tisk
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Better than the Patriots?
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Darren Woodson is a strong safety I believe.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Better than the Patriots?
That shut Quddus up...
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Yea, I don\'t care if the Eagles look better, thats not what things are about. Playing team sports my whole life it\'s about the will to win and two teams matching heads up. After stating that I don\'t see how you could say anybody other than the patriots. They\'re winners, simple as that.
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I\'m tired of hearing the Patriots are better than the Eagles, because the Patriots won 20 in a row. Hey, that\'s an amazing accomplishment, no question...but right now, all that matters is that they\'re 5-0. Just like the Eagles. The schedules have been equally challenging so far this season...and the Eagles have been more impressive in all three phases: Offense, Defense, and Special Teams.
And I agree with you, Bozco. It is all about the will to win...and the Eagles have it. They proved it by getting to the NFC Championship three years ago, when they shouldn\'t have been there. They proved it by getting to the NFC championship last year when (due to a long list of injuries, two very crucial ones in the championship game itself) they shouldn\'t have been there. This year, they have amazing talent to go along with their amazing will.
I really wish the Eagles had the Pats on their schedule this year.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
I\'m tired of hearing the Patriots are better than the Eagles, because the Patriots won 20 in a row. Hey, that\'s an amazing accomplishment, no question...but right now, all that matters is that they\'re 5-0. Just like the Eagles. The schedules have been equally challenging so far this season...and the Eagles have been more impressive in all three phases: Offense, Defense, and Special Teams.
And I agree with you, Bozco. It is all about the will to win...and the Eagles have it. They proved it by getting to the NFC Championship three years ago, when they shouldn\'t have been there. They proved it by getting to the NFC championship last year when (due to a long list of injuries, two very crucial ones in the championship game itself) they shouldn\'t have been there. This year, they have amazing talent to go along with their amazing will.
I really wish the Eagles had the Pats on their schedule this year.
^^^^^ you all should listen to ths guy.
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Will to win, well they make it to the NFC championship game every year and lose so I don\'t know. You must understand I hate TO more than any other player in the league so you won\'t hear much if any respect given to the Eagles.
Also, don\'t worry about the whole schedule part with the Pats, if they manage to make it to the Superbowl this year they\'ll probably meet em\'.
^^^^^ you all should listen to ths guy.
Lord knows you couldn\'t put together something like that.
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We all know what happens to the Eagles every year, it\'s almost getting too repetitive.
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We all know what happens to the Eagles every year, it\'s almost getting too repetitive.
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We all know what happens to the Eagles every year, it\'s almost getting too repetitive.
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The Pats are the best team in the league until someone proves otherwise. When you won the Super Bowl last year and you\'re undefeated, you deserve that distinction, and the Pats are a HELL of a team, more complete than any other in the NFL.
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*smacks Edgerrin James* for fumbling in the red zone twice against the Pats when they could\'ve been up by 11 points if they had scored TDs.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Pats are the best team in the league until someone proves otherwise. When you won the Super Bowl last year and you\'re undefeated, you deserve that distinction, and the Pats are a HELL of a team, more complete than any other in the NFL.
I dont know if anyone can prove otherwise until the playoffs. I think its unfair to write them off if they lose a few games. They are the best team in the league until somebody beats them in the playoffs, or they have a breakdown like the Bucs had a couple of years ago.
And how can you say Kurt Warner is not in his prime? He had one bad season and now its over? Brad Johnson won the Superbowl at 34 and Elway at 37 and 38 I think
As for the Peyton comments, I just dont like him. He sounds and seems very arrogant to me.
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Warner will never put up the numbers he put up in St Louis again. He will never be an MVP again. Therefore, I say he\'s past his prime, since his best seasons are behind him. Makes sense to me.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Warner will never put up the numbers he put up in St Louis again. He will never be an MVP again. Therefore, I say he\'s past his prime, since his best seasons are behind him. Makes sense to me.
i agree... the best warner years was when he was with the rams..and it seems ever since he\'s injured his finger he hasn\'t been the same.,.yea he\'s doin\' fairly well now but he will never be at the status level of the 2000-01 rams...
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I agree with shockwaves and clips.
Also you\'re mistaking Manning\'s "arrogance" for his confidence. He is confident in his receivers and line to get the job done and so far they\'ve done a pretty good job. 14 TDs and 3 INTs, two of them were fluke INTs as well.
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Mike Martz is the most annoying head coach ever... but whatever he\'s doing is working so my hats off to him.
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Only three Teams un defeated this year and two of them are meeting this sunday..
Patriots and Jets.....
Go PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!
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pfft. Eh-hem...
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!
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They have to get Curtis Martin going, New England\'s run D is not that great this year so I think Curtis Martin and not turning the ball over are the two main keys to victory.
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Add another W to the Patriots record, that\'s 21 in a row. The mighty Jets are yet another stat.
Next up: Pittsburgh
I think Pittsburgh will actually be tougher than the Jets, and the Jets played us tight.
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oh man did the chiefs destroy the falcons... priest holmes with his 4 TDs then he was nice enough to let the backup come in and get his 4
8 rushing TDs... a new record
defense giving up only 3 points
and I still don\'t know what to think of this team....
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I hope that same Chiefs team doesn\'t show up next Sunday.
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my feelings are mixed towards the Chiefs...
they\'ve beaten two playoff contenders, and lost to teams who have maybe one or two wins.
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If the chiefs build on this game and could pick up the win at indy next week the rest of there schedule is not that tough except for the patriots around week 11. They could turn there season around.
I hope so because I would love the see the bandwaggons rolling out in here.
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They\'d have to go what, 8-2 to have a reasonable shot at the playoffs? Not too far-fetched, but Indianapolis and New England are coming to town... and you know how I feel about my Patriots.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
They\'d have to go what, 8-2 to have a reasonable shot at the playoffs? Not too far-fetched, but Indianapolis and New England are coming to town... and you know how I feel about my Patriots.
The Chiefs aren\'t making the playoffs, as much as I want them to. As far as I was concerned, they needed to be 3-3 going into this game with the Colts, but that loss to the Jags REALLY hurt. There\'s a monumental difference between 2-4 and 3-3. A win against the Colts cures some ills, but not enough.
If we do in fact beat the Colts, my tune might change, but I personally don\'t see it happening. If Peyton tears us up again...we\'re pretty much screwed. Then again, I can only hope that doesn\'t happen :)
See Yuz.
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dallas..ugh!..testeverde is not mobile enough..all you gotta do is blitz him and it\'s over..at least quincy had some legs to get out of that situation,..granted he\'s no vic, but he\'s not a sittin\' target...meh i\'m going to be a very quiet dallas fan this year....*slowly jumps on the eagle bandwagon* j/k ;)
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dallas\' season is ova... Losing to green bay in an embarrassing fashion tells me the boys are still a year away...
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
dallas\' season is ova... Losing to green bay in an embarrassing fashion tells me the boys are still a year away...
yea pretty much..but i think we\'re more than a year away,..our record was better last year than it was now..and we\'re not playin nowhere near the level of last year either...i don\'t think they can turn this around...dallas has one of the toughest schedules in the league...
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Injuries hurt Dallas\' secondary and Terrence Newman is just terrible out there, it seems like every big play has gone by him, not to mention Wiley is a bust and was over rated.
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The Lions should own dallas on sunday.
I am not even going to think about cheering for lions til at least week 16;)
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Dallas a year away? Try a couple years away. They just suck.
Someone needs to blow up the New England team bus. That would put an end to this winning streak.
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What do you guys think bout the colts?
Will they ever win the super bowl with manning, or is this "dynasty" destined for "Almost-but-not-quite"?
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We can win a super bowl with Manning, our offense is not the problem. The problem is, we have the single worst friggin defense. Dungy and the Colt\'s philosphy is , our defense sucks, so we just have to outscore the other teams and that simply won\'t get you all the way.
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Yeah, but im saying, they may not have the cap room to build a defense with the current offense. And manning doesn\'t get a long with Wayne, Vanderjet, and the O. coridnator....
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That Jets game was a heartbreaker. We were so close so many times. We beat ourselves.
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I think the thing with Wayne is an over exaggeration. Who cares how Manning and Vanderjagt get along, as long as they both do their job it doesn\'t really matter. If the incident with Wayne was such a big deal Manning wouldn\'t have thrown him a pass right after that. Wayne was just frustrated.
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...and Wayne promptly fell on his ass and forgot to get out of bounds.
Manning has that attitude of "I\'m the General, you\'re following me". It works to a point, but I can see where it\'d get a little bit old, especially on a guy like Wayne, whose struggled early in his career and is finally starting to get it.
Then again, that\'s the kind of spirit I want to see with the Colts heading into KC...maybe we won\'t get completley anniahlated again :)
See Yuz.
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No the Patriots beat the Jets, the Jets just didn\'t help themselves...
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Who cares?
You know what matters? The Bengals returned to MNF and done so in a spectacular manner.
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Too bad their 2-5, otherwise it might matter. Although with San Diego playing well, it does give the Chargers a shot at the division.
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...?
Are you talking about the Chiefs or the Bengals?
The last I checked, the Chargers played in the AFC West with the Chiefs, whereas the Bengals played in the AFC North, with the Steelers and the Ravens.
See Yuz.
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Bret Favre will light it up this weekend. He usually does after a family tragedy.
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Wife of Brett Favre diagnosed with breast cancer
Associated Press
GULFPORT, Miss. - Deanna Favre, the wife of Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre, has been diagnosed with breast cancer.
Deanna Favre was recently released from Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York after undergoing a lumpectomy, Bonita Favre, Deanna\'s mother-in-law, told The Sun Herald on Monday.
Deanna Farve will undergo chemotherapy treatments which could last up to five months and is expected to make a full recovery, Bonita Favre said.
Favre was told about the cancer Oct. 14 and left practice to be with his family for a day prior to the Detroit Lions game on Oct. 17.
"Brett was relieved to learn that the situation is not as bad as it could have been," Deanna\'s brother-in-law, Scott Favre said. "We think that they got (all of the cancer) out."
It has been a difficult year for the Favre family. In December, Brett\'s father, Irvin, died from a heart attack. Deanna\'s brother, Casey Tynes, 24, was killed three weeks ago in an ATV accident on Brett Favre\'s land near his home in Oak Grove.
Deanna is originally from the Kiln. She and Brett married in 1997.
Deanna Favre runs the Brett Favre Fourward Foundation, which has raised more than $1 million for disadvantaged or disabled children who live in Wisconsin or Mississippi.
"The family has been through a great deal and we will get through this," Bonita Favre said. "We would like to thank everyone for the prayers and support. We\'re a strong family and with the help of the Lord, we\'ll get through this."
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
...?
Are you talking about the Chiefs or the Bengals?
The last I checked, the Chargers played in the AFC West with the Chiefs, whereas the Bengals played in the AFC North, with the Steelers and the Ravens.
See Yuz.
I was saying it was too bad that Cincy is 2-5, but I meant that San Diego still has a shot at Denver.
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I\'ll be in Pittsburgh this weekend.. Should be a good game with the Steelers and Patriots going head to head..
Go Patriots!!!!! I\'ll take some pics.
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21-3 STEELERS YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so glad this streak is going to end. Gawd I hate the patriots.
*crosses fingers they lose*
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You like the Eagles, how can you talk?
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Originally posted by Bozco
You like the Eagles, how can you talk?
I probably hate tom brady more than I hate the team.
I can\'t stand ty law either:)
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You have a good point, I hate that Michigan flame.
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Chiefs 45, Colts 35.
Both teams showed their tremendous defenses. True brilliance.
Not a great weekend, eh Unfocused? :-D
See Yuz.
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Steelers finally halt the New England winning streak at 21 games.
Ok, now the big picture, they are still 6-1, and need to beat St. Louis on the road next week. Definitely not easy, but maybe now they will be fired up.
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Steelers are gonna take on another undefeated team, The Eagles.
The Eagle\'s "Oh" will have to go. :p
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As if it matters anyways... This Chicago and San Fran game is the biggest load of crap I have ever came across. The Instant Replay system has never been as big a failure as it has with this game. As if the Brandon Lloyd catch overturn wasn\'t bad enough, to say that when the ball was picked on another play and he was not down was borderline ludicrous. Pathetic.
Another great Sunday as a Niners fan.
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Swifdi, honestly, you didn\'t think you guys were gonna win did you? You were going against a winner, Craig Krenzel. He\'s a star!
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Hah.... Krenzel seriously looks like a 5 year old kid. Just as Dorsey throws like a 5 year old kid.
The Niners are in shambles.
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A 6\'4" 225 pound winner!
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*slowly and quietly waves a dallas bobble head*
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why the f*ck do the redskins suck so much?
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Originally posted by THX
why the f*ck do the redskins suck so much?
i don\'t know what\'s up with the skins..can\'t say that i care much being that you\'re a rival (dallas)...sheeit i remember there was a time when the skins used to terrorize the league...two words..John Riggins! :p
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Originally posted by clips
*slowly and quietly waves a dallas bobble head*
I hate the Dallas Cowballs.
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I guess it\'s safe to say that the eagles are #1:D
*flaunts T.O jersey*
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It won\'t last. Just like the Patriot run didn\'t last..
On that note...
My colts lost.
:(
Patriots lost.
:D
Bears beat 49ers with two of the worst calls ever.
:rolleyes:
Steelers are looking damn good this year, but no one notices.
;)
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So now, as I predicted earlier this year, Brian Westbrook has run out of gas. If that injury lingers, and the Eagles are forced to remain one-dimensional through the passing game, they\'re going to get absolutley torched by some of the better teams in the NFL.
Too bad that for some reason they haven\'t PLAYED any of them. Really makes me wonder about the scheduling. Don\'t get me wrong, I love the fact that the Chiefs never seem to have to play the Colts in Indianapolis, or the fact that the Chiefs have never played Baltimore at home, but the Eagles schedule\'s just ridiculously easy.
Just like in college, if you schedule an easy non-conference schedule, it eventually bites you in the ass when it counts. In other words, everybody wait for another Eagles collapse in the playoffs.
In other news, I dislike Peyton Manning a whole lot. Just glad that the Colts Defense is apparently worse than my Chiefs :)
See Yuz.
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I wouldn\'t say Westbrook has run out of gas...he was out for one week. He may be back in the mix next sunday in Pittsburgh, and if not, he\'ll be back the following week. Obviously, that\'s a big loss to us. Our #1 and #2 running backs entering the preseason are out this past week against one of, if not THE best defense in the league, and we still ended up with 98 rushing yards on 23 attempts. I think that\'s a true testament to our front office, and our very solid roster.
Also, I think the talk of the Eagles\' strength of schedule is tired. It\'s a known fact that this year, there are very few GREAT teams in the NFL. Last season, there were a lot of teams that really established themselves atop the NFL. The Packers, Eagles, Panthers, Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Patriots, and Colts all seemed like legit super bowl contendors. This year? The only teams that have played consistant enough to be in that group are the Eagles, Jets, Pats, and Steelers. The rest of the teams, except for the cellar dwellars (Cards, 9ers etc) seem to be on about the same level. So the Eagles don\'t have that one standout game like the other "greats" this year have. At least not yet. They will next week, and Westbrook or no Westbrook, expect the Eagles to march out of Pittsburgh 8-0.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Chiefs 45, Colts 35.
Both teams showed their tremendous defenses. True brilliance.
Not a great weekend, eh Unfocused? :-D
See Yuz.
Definitely not. Defense was terrible this weekend. Especially the Colts. It looked like no one wanted to tackle out there. Bob Sanders was the only one making tackles towards the end of the game. I hope Culpepper plays the same way he played against NYG when he plays the Colts. I don\'t think Moss will play.
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Umm the Steelers are not flying under the Radar, they beat the Eagles next week and they are the number one team.
Looks like Tommy Maddox is gonna get the Drew Bledsoe treatment (ala Patriots 01-02 season). He better look at a new team next year.
As for the Pats, if they rebound against the Rams, they are fine, if they lose then it means the loss got to their head and they can kiss the Superbowl goodbye.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
So now, as I predicted earlier this year, Brian Westbrook has run out of gas. If that injury lingers, and the Eagles are forced to remain one-dimensional through the passing game, they\'re going to get absolutley torched by some of the better teams in the NFL.
Too bad that for some reason they haven\'t PLAYED any of them. Really makes me wonder about the scheduling. Don\'t get me wrong, I love the fact that the Chiefs never seem to have to play the Colts in Indianapolis, or the fact that the Chiefs have never played Baltimore at home, but the Eagles schedule\'s just ridiculously easy.
Just like in college, if you schedule an easy non-conference schedule, it eventually bites you in the ass when it counts. In other words, everybody wait for another Eagles collapse in the playoffs.
In other news, I dislike Peyton Manning a whole lot. Just glad that the Colts Defense is apparently worse than my Chiefs :)
See Yuz.
I agree with Ethan that this year there is not as many establish teams like there was last season. But with that being said 8-0 is still 8-0 in the NFL. And you gotta respect that.
You guys talked about how the egales secondary would suffer because they lost there star corners well brown and sheppard have looked great this season. And I\'ll say this the Ravens can make any teams running game look secondary.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Swifdi, honestly, you didn\'t think you guys were gonna win did you? You were going against a winner, Craig Krenzel. He\'s a star!
Ha, I was going on and on about him to James last night. Is it just me though, or do you die a little inside every time you see him throw to David Terrell?
Originally posted by The Hurricane
Looks like Tommy Maddox is gonna get the Drew Bledsoe treatment (ala Patriots 01-02 season). He better look at a new team next year.
Um...completely different situations there. Bledsoe was the established star in New England, and Brady came out from no where. Maddox was just plain bad last year, and they drafted Ben specifically to replace him.
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Situations are not as different as you think.
Maddox was expected to lead the Steelers to the playoffs this year, but injury might have cost him his year, just like went bledsoe went down.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Ha, I was going on and on about him to James last night. Is it just me though, or do you die a little inside every time you see him throw to David Terrell?
Don\'t remind me. Luckily the shear fact that Krenzel even has played in the pros keeps me happy.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
I wouldn\'t say Westbrook has run out of gas...he was out for one week. He may be back in the mix next sunday in Pittsburgh, and if not, he\'ll be back the following week. Obviously, that\'s a big loss to us. Our #1 and #2 running backs entering the preseason are out this past week against one of, if not THE best defense in the league, and we still ended up with 98 rushing yards on 23 attempts. I think that\'s a true testament to our front office, and our very solid roster.
Also, I think the talk of the Eagles\' strength of schedule is tired. It\'s a known fact that this year, there are very few GREAT teams in the NFL. Last season, there were a lot of teams that really established themselves atop the NFL. The Packers, Eagles, Panthers, Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Patriots, and Colts all seemed like legit super bowl contendors. This year? The only teams that have played consistant enough to be in that group are the Eagles, Jets, Pats, and Steelers. The rest of the teams, except for the cellar dwellars (Cards, 9ers etc) seem to be on about the same level. So the Eagles don\'t have that one standout game like the other "greats" this year have. At least not yet. They will next week, and Westbrook or no Westbrook, expect the Eagles to march out of Pittsburgh 8-0.
You didn\'t watch Pittsburgh just march all over New England, did you? And I\'m also assuming that you didn\'t see the Chiefs put up 200 rushing yards and dominate the Ravens in Baltimore on Monday Night Football, as well.
The way I see it, there are a lot of teams that could beat the Eagles if McNabb is forced to win the game with his arm. With Westbrook being hobbled, that\'s what\'s going to happen -- The Eagles lose to the Steelers. Yeah, I said it.
*waits for obligatory argument*
And Scott...how about them Canes? :)
See Yuz.
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First of all, I second what ROL Jamas says. However, New England didn\'t have its top 4 DBs, top 2 WRs, and Corey Dillon was injured...
I know dealing with injury is part of the game, but attrition is eventually gonna take its toll.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
First of all, I second what ROL Jamas says. However, New England didn\'t have its top 4 DBs, top 2 WRs, and Corey Dillon was injured...
I know dealing with injury is part of the game, but attrition is eventually gonna take its toll.
Excuses for the patriots how sad:o
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
You didn\'t watch Pittsburgh just march all over New England, did you? And I\'m also assuming that you didn\'t see the Chiefs put up 200 rushing yards and dominate the Ravens in Baltimore on Monday Night Football, as well.
The way I see it, there are a lot of teams that could beat the Eagles if McNabb is forced to win the game with his arm. With Westbrook being hobbled, that\'s what\'s going to happen -- The Eagles lose to the Steelers. Yeah, I said it.
*waits for obligatory argument*
And Scott...how about them Canes? :)
See Yuz.
Even with that being sad. The chiefs are not as good as they where last season. They where expected to be seeded higher in the NFL and now they are on the brink of barely making the playoffs. They are hardly contenders for the eagles. And the steelers have the best shot of beating the eagles but thank god McNabb is much better than you give him credit and the steelers don\'t stand a chance. 8-0:)
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I wasn\'t saying that the Chiefs were, I was just saying how much the Ravens Defense has declined, one of Ethan\'s prime arguments.
I\'ve got class coming up, but when I get back, I\'ll be sure to show you Donovan McNabb\'s "gaudy" passing stats. He\'s not a pocket passer, it\'s been proven. 3 INT\'s against Carolina in the NFC Title game, anyone?
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
You didn\'t watch Pittsburgh just march all over New England, did you? And I\'m also assuming that you didn\'t see the Chiefs put up 200 rushing yards and dominate the Ravens in Baltimore on Monday Night Football, as well.
The way I see it, there are a lot of teams that could beat the Eagles if McNabb is forced to win the game with his arm. With Westbrook being hobbled, that\'s what\'s going to happen -- The Eagles lose to the Steelers. Yeah, I said it.
*waits for obligatory argument*
And Scott...how about them Canes? :)
See Yuz.
I did watch the Pittsburgh game, and I for one was very, very pleased. You don\'t know how tired I was of hearing about that damn streak. As for the Chiefs/Ravens game, yeah, I saw that too. I don\'t know what point you\'re trying to make...but the Chiefs rushed for 178 yards on 46 attempts. The Chiefs, a team with one of, if not the best backs in the league, and one of, if not the best lines in the league, rips off 178 yards on 46 attempts. The Eagles, who aren\'t at all known for running the ball, with one aging player and an unknown BYU kid at halfback, got 113 yards on 27 attempts. That\'s pretty much on par with what the Chiefs pulled.
Bottom line: Our run game is solid with or without Westbrook. Granted, we don\'t really have that big play threat without him, and there aren\'t as many matchup problems, but they still come through when we need them.
I know the Eagles are facing a tough game Sunday...I just think they\'ll come out on top. The Patriots turned the ball over 4 times on Sunday, and that cost them the game...don\'t look for that from the Eagles.
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Alright, so you were saying the Baltimore D has declined. My bad. But still, Baltimore is 7th in the league against the rush...which isn\'t exactly to shabby. And again, given that Dorsey and Reno aren\'t exactly premier backs...they did fairly well.
Assuming your next argument is going to be showing how McNabb faired the last time he had to rely solely on passing...you have to realize...in the NFC championship game, the Carolina CBs were absolutely OWNING our WRs. He threw 3 INTs. How many of them were his fault? I\'d say one.
There\'s one BIG difference this year, as opposed the NFC Championship game without Westbrook: Terrell Owens. He demands double coverage, that frees up the other WRs and TEs. He\'s also a deep threat, which opens up the run for the Eagles. Pass to set up the run...that\'s the theory, and it\'s rather effective.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Excuses for the patriots how sad:o
Like I said in an earlier post, I\'m not making excuses, just pointing out facts. If the Eagles lose to the Steelers, it\'s kinda different cause their playing with all their star players. Injuries are part of the game, yes, but it gets to a point where it will have an effect on your game.
Don\'t be so bold in your statements, the Eagles haven\'t won anything yet, if I\'m not mistaken, there\'s a certain NFC title game that has eluded them for three straight years.
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The Eagles do not have all of their "star players". They are missing quite a few of their would be stars.
N.D Kalu
Correll Buckhalter
Brian Westbrook
Shawn Andrews
Jon Ritchie
And, one of the best Special Teamsmen in the game, Jason Short.
That\'s 6 the Eagles have been without/will be without against Pittsburgh. The fact that they\'re 7-0 is a true testament to the depth on the Philly roster. If the reason New England lost is due to injuries, perhaps they need to build a little bit past their starters.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
I wasn\'t saying that the Chiefs were, I was just saying how much the Ravens Defense has declined, one of Ethan\'s prime arguments.
I\'ve got class coming up, but when I get back, I\'ll be sure to show you Donovan McNabb\'s "gaudy" passing stats. He\'s not a pocket passer, it\'s been proven. 3 INT\'s against Carolina in the NFC Title game, anyone?
See Yuz.
I agree to a certain degree. I think McNabb has shown his maturity in the game. He lets the game come to him instead of forcing it. He looks to the pass. I mean before McNabb had very few decent recievers to work with. But T.O opens up a lot of things up for the passing game that the eagles never had. Overall I feel McNabb is a mutch better QB in the pocket than he has been in the pass. But his leadership on the feel is what drives the team.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
The Eagles do not have all of their "star players". They are missing quite a few of their would be stars.
N.D Kalu
Correll Buckhalter
Brian Westbrook
Shawn Andrews
Jon Ritchie
And, one of the best Special Teamsmen in the game, Jason Short.
That\'s 6 the Eagles have been without/will be without against Pittsburgh. The fact that they\'re 7-0 is a true testament to the depth on the Philly roster. If the reason New England lost is due to injuries, perhaps they need to build a little bit past their starters.
They did, in case you didn\'t read I\'ll say it again. The injuries are getting so deep in New England that they will soon have their JV out there.
The backups for the backups are even getting injured. The campsiron is not even close. Just stop trying to compare, your going to lose.
Like I said, the Eagles haven\'t won anything yet.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
They did, in case you didn\'t read I\'ll say it again. The injuries are getting so deep in New England that they will soon have their JV out there.
The backups for the backups are even getting injured. The campsiron is not even close. Just stop trying to compare, your going to lose.
Like I said, the Eagles haven\'t won anything yet.
Oh I read it, but you\'re being a biased fan. Many NFL teams have the same problem, the Eagles being one. The Eagles continue to win, the Patriots have droppes one. All that I\'m saying is, they\'re in a similar boat, so if you\'re using injuries as an excuse, you need more depth. Let\'s take a look at those who would be out for you going into the Pitt game...
Corey Dillon
Patrick Pass
Tyrone Poole
Tom Ashworth
Deion Branch
Those are the big guys you were missing before the game. Then you lost Law. So let\'s break it down.
Going into the game, Pats down one starting RB, Eagles down two.
Going into the game, Pats and Eagles both down one starting FB.
Going into the game, Pats and Eagles both down one starting lineman.
Going into the game, the Patriots are down one CB and one WR, the Eagles\' are healthy.
During the game, both the eagles and the patriots lost an offensive lineman. Both the eagles and the Patriots lost a WR. The Patriots lose another CB.
I lose? Seems as though it compares more than you thought.
Again, this all goes back to your statement about the Eagles not being in the same situation going into Pittsburgh as the Patriots were. However, it\'s clear they are in a VERY similar situation, but the Eagles have the stronger backups.
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First of all, all of the Eagles vs. Pats arguements get settled this weekend when we see how the Eagles do against the Steelers. Right now, the Eagles, as much as I hate to say it, are the better team.
The Eagles are better because the one thing that New England had on them was defense. However, New England\'s D is hurt and got ripped apart Sunday. So at this moments, I\'d take the Eagles.
And as much as I want Tiki Barber for MVP, you are insane if you think anyone other than Owens is the MVP right now. I just don\'t see how you can argue against him. He\'s putting up amazing numbers, and he is the big difference that has the Eagles playing this way. This Eagles team is not the same team as the last three years. That team was a team that got it done. This team is a team that demolishes people. Owens is that difference. The confidence that team has with him is amazing. McNabb is having his best season ever. He makes that entire team better.
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WOOT!!!!!
Just got 4 free tix to the Bills-Jets game....50 yd line, 1 row in front of the owner\'s box. I could throw my beer on Ralph Wilson if I wanted to. I get to see them lose in person!
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Ethan, those were the injuries going INTO the game. We lost Ty Law within minutes of the first quater, and he was the one covering plaxico burress, who then proceded to have a 2/3 touchdown game for something like 150 yards.
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Well, it\'s Sunday, and that means NFL.\\
I\'ll be rooting for...
The Patriots - cause I want them to get back to their winning ways.
The Eagles - so that New England can either take the top spot or stay tied.
The Bills - so that the pesky Jets go back to their rightful place.
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Their rightful place, huh?
By the end of today, their rightful place could very possibly be all alone in first place in the AFC East.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Their rightful place, huh?
By the end of today, their rightful place could very possibly be all alone in first place in the AFC East.
Well, eat those words, the Jets lost to Buffalo, I wanted it to happen but honestly didn\'t think it would. Jets are way too conservative in my opinion, but hey, it\'s good for me.
Even though I wanted the Iggles to win, they got beat up worse then the Pats did last week, so all those Eagles are number one chants can go down the crapper...
The Patriots have a 19-14 lead at halftime, 4 FGs, while points are points, St. Louis doesn\'t have an amazing Defense, and half of those should be touchdowns. We\'ll see though, hopefully New England can hold on for the win, and hope that Pittsburgh loses soon, even though they have a soft schedule for the next few weeks.
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The Jets got screwed. Two bad calls kept them from being able to go for the win. The refs can eat my shit.
And on that note, whoever (Alliswell) is still high on Kurt Warner, you shouldn\'t be. He sucks. Absolutely sucks. I haven\'t been as disgusted with my teams as I am right now in a long time.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Jets got screwed. Two bad calls kept them from being able to go for the win. The refs can eat my shit.
And on that note, whoever (Alliswell) is still high on Kurt Warner, you shouldn\'t be. He sucks. Absolutely sucks. I haven\'t been as disgusted with my teams as I am right now in a long time.
Am I the only one who knew this whole Kurt Warner this was a mistake? He\'s a horrible quaterback when the game is on the line, and he holds onto the ball WAY too long.
As far the Jets, sure the ref\'s calls didn\'t help, BUT, you can\'t assume they would have scored.
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You can\'t assume it, no. But when they are denied a chance TWICE, that\'s something to complain about. That was a crazy situation, with the wind and all, but the Jets really did put themselves in that bad situation. Oh well.
As for the Giants...Kurt Warner, 2 int\'s, 2 fumbles, no touchdowns, minimal yards, against a bad team. He lost us the game. There\'s really no other way to look at it. The Giants are down by 7 with the ball in the closing minutes, and what does he do? 1-10: incomplete. 2-10: sack. 3-14: sack. Puts him in a 4-20 because the man is incapable of feeling or responding to pressure in the pocket, which of course he can\'t convert. Pathetic. Bring on Eli, I\'m ready for him. Kurt Warner\'s time is done.
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GO STEELERS! MWAHAHAHAHA!
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I must say...I still truly believe no one in the NFC can touch the Eagles. They are the class of the NFC, bar none.
But, after today\'s game I have to wonder if we were in the AFC where we\'d be. I really am left wondering A LOT after today\'s game. Our secondary is very young, and to those outside philadelphia, it is considered a weak point. They\'ve played well this year...but today in Pittsburgh, they seemed absolutely lost. And when they knew where they were, they were falling on their asses. Our run defense...well...that\'s been suspect...that\'s no secret.
Two things that REALLY worry me about this Eagles team:
Playcalling. The Eagles pass WAAAAAY too much. Granted, they were down early, but you have to have faith in your defense...even if it hadn\'t earned it so far in the game. I know Andy Reid likes to pass, and that\'s great. But when you pass so much that it becomes predictable, there\'s a problem. And when you run so rarely that when you do, there\'s little to no production, there\'s a bigger problem.
Second, I love McNabb. I think he\'s one of the best quarterbacks in the league at going out there and getting a W. However, when was the last time he won a big game? I suppose one could consider the monday night game against minnesotta a big game...but other than that? In recent history...he played horribly against the bucs in the nfc championship game...horrible against the bucs in the home opener rematch...horrible against the panthers in the NFC Championship last year...horrible against a tough Pittsburgh game this afternoon. I didn\'t follow him in Syracuse, so I don\'t know if this is a pattern or not...tell me he\'s not a choke artist?
One person I am GREATLY pleased with, however, is Terrell Owens. If this guy continues to put forth the effort he has over the first 8 games, he\'s got to be a definite candidate for league MVP. He\'s putting up the numbers. And perhaps more importantly...this afternoon, when the Eagles really needed yards, he seemed to be the only one fired up to go out there and get them.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
I must say...I still truly believe no one in the NFC can touch the Eagles. They are the class of the NFC, bar none.
But, after today\'s game I have to wonder if we were in the AFC where we\'d be. I really am left wondering A LOT after today\'s game. Our secondary is very young, and to those outside philadelphia, it is considered a weak point. They\'ve played well this year...but today in Pittsburgh, they seemed absolutely lost. And when they knew where they were, they were falling on their asses. Our run defense...well...that\'s been suspect...that\'s no secret.
Two things that REALLY worry me about this Eagles team:
Playcalling. The Eagles pass WAAAAAY too much. Granted, they were down early, but you have to have faith in your defense...even if it hadn\'t earned it so far in the game. I know Andy Reid likes to pass, and that\'s great. But when you pass so much that it becomes predictable, there\'s a problem. And when you run so rarely that when you do, there\'s little to no production, there\'s a bigger problem.
Second, I love McNabb. I think he\'s one of the best quarterbacks in the league at going out there and getting a W. However, when was the last time he won a big game? I suppose one could consider the monday night game against minnesotta a big game...but other than that? In recent history...he played horribly against the bucs in the nfc championship game...horrible against the bucs in the home opener rematch...horrible against the panthers in the NFC Championship last year...horrible against a tough Pittsburgh game this afternoon. I didn\'t follow him in Syracuse, so I don\'t know if this is a pattern or not...tell me he\'s not a choke artist?
One person I am GREATLY pleased with, however, is Terrell Owens. If this guy continues to put forth the effort he has over the first 8 games, he\'s got to be a definite candidate for league MVP. He\'s putting up the numbers. And perhaps more importantly...this afternoon, when the Eagles really needed yards, he seemed to be the only one fired up to go out there and get them.
Well i think our defense got hammered and that put a lot of pressure on the offense. All credit goes to the steelers defense. They were great out there. And when you can\'t establish the run you end up looking like the lions have looked throughout the season.
I think if they do meeting in the big game it will be a different story. The eagles will bounce back. It\'s just 1 game 8 left:)
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Originally posted by IareEthan
However, when was the last time he won a big game? I suppose one could consider the monday night game against minnesotta a big game...but other than that? In recent history...he played horribly against the bucs in the nfc championship game...horrible against the bucs in the home opener rematch...horrible against the panthers in the NFC Championship last year...horrible against a tough Pittsburgh game this afternoon. I didn\'t follow him in Syracuse, so I don\'t know if this is a pattern or not...tell me he\'s not a choke artist?
Last year against the Packers in the playoffs. He played a very talented, highly motivated team that had tons of momentum. That was a big win, and it ended in a big game winning drive. Not bad if you ask me. :p
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I didn\'t see the Steelers game but those post game stats are just wow. No 3rd down conversions for the eagles, 8-8 for Steelers. Thank god, TO is a flame, that is all.
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Bengals > Dallas.
:laughing:
Mark my words, I said Parcells was in for his first failure with Dallas and I was right! They went from terrible, to medicore back to terrible.. Ah, how nice it is to be right.
;)
I see T.O can\'t keep his mouth shut when losing. I don\'t care what McNabb says, that was not a friendly "let\'s get goin\'" conversation. Owens was clearly yelling and voicing his opinion, while Mcnabb was obviously becoming more and more irritated. It is just Owens nature, if they lose he wants to blame everyone but himself and that is why he will never be the great player that he could be. Same with Kobe Bryant.
Not going to jump on the Steelers bandwagon, like most people will (flashbacks to last years season - Hello? The Chiefs bandwagon?!?), but I will say they are mighty impressive this year. That rookie QB (Whose name I can\'t spell) is doin\' damn good.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
If the reason New England lost is due to injuries, perhaps they need to build a little bit past their starters.
The Pats(under Belichick) have always built past their starters. They are a really well coached team. Still there is really nothing you can do when you go from a Corey Dillon to a Kevin Faulk and an Asante Samuel/Ty Law combo to an Asante Samuel/Randall Gay combo. Ty Law is arguably the best shutdown CB in the game and losing his for a rookie is going to hurt ANY team.
Originally posted by IareEthan
it\'s clear they are in a VERY similar situation, but the Eagles have the stronger backups.
That statement is completely baseless.
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The Patriots worked around injuries. They had offensive players like Troy Brown playing CB, and defensive players like Mike Vrabel playing TE. Adam Vinatieri even threw a touchdown pass on a trick play to I forget who, but it was the best play of the day.
7-1, gotta beat Buffalo next Sunday night. Not taking them lightly, they just beat the Jets, who I think were looking past them.
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I\'ve gotta admit that it was funny seeing Hines Ward mock TO and TO yelling at McNabb.
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Black_Samurai, you saying my statement is completely baseless is baseless in itself. I\'ve backed up what I\'ve said. If you don\'t agree, then put forth why.
Second, TO wasn\'t "yelling" at McNabb, he was offering support. The media, like they did last week with his ray lewis comments, try to turn things into something they are not.
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Ethan, Sammy is right. Comparing the injuries the Eagles had when they played the Steelers and the ones that the Pats had is insane.
Losing someone like Buckhalter at the beginning of the year and losing Dillon that week are completely different. And don\'t tell me Buckhalter was a starter either. He was the #2 back on the team.
The CB situation, as well as the WR situation isn\'t even close.
And btw, despite all that, the Pats still looked better than the Eagles did.
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The Chiefs really should not have let the Bucs score like that if they plan on doing anything this year. Yeah, I know most everybody has written the Chiefs off. They are only 2 games back of Denver and San Diego (what the hell is up with them).
As long as Holmes and Green are healthy I have some hope left. There better be some big defensive upgrades through the draft and free agency or i\'ll be livid.
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Originally posted by JBean
There better be some big defensive upgrades through the draft and free agency or i\'ll be livid.
Chiefs fans said the same thing the last two years. Hasn\'t happened yet.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Jets got screwed. Two bad calls kept them from being able to go for the win. The refs can eat my shit.
And on that note, whoever (Alliswell) is still high on Kurt Warner, you shouldn\'t be. He sucks. Absolutely sucks. I haven\'t been as disgusted with my teams as I am right now in a long time.
it wasn\'t the refs\' fault they didn\'t have any time outs left when they needed them.... ;)
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
it wasn\'t the refs\' fault they didn\'t have any time outs left when they needed them.... ;)
I was thinking the same thing. How do you have NO timeouts with 4 minutes to go in the 4th quarter.
BTW, Dave Wannstedt calls it quits (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1918897)
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Steelers are gonna win the Superbowl this season. :D
(figured this would be a great opener fo page 18) :D
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At this point, I would not be suprised to see them be contenders for a spot in the game.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
I was thinking the same thing. How do you have NO timeouts with 4 minutes to go in the 4th quarter.[/url]
It was 2:30 left :p. And it IS the refs faults that they made the wrong calls in the first place.
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I guess being from Buffalo, I\'m so used to bad calls I didn\'t notice them. (Oakland game?!?!?) :D Plus I was distracted by the half-naked dude who ran halfway around the stadium on the roof of the box seats.
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Chizzy, you\'re distracted by ANY half naked DUDES. PERIOD! :p
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I guess I walked right into that one... I was expecting someone less witty to pick up that ball and run....
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I would like to see the Steelers play the upstart Chargers, that would be a great game.
Can\'t wait for NYJ vs. Pittsburgh, it\'s gonna be a win-win situation.
Wow, New England finally gets another primetime game next week. How the heck do the Rams get so many and the Pats get very close to none early on.
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At least the Pats are back at the Razor.
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I didnt get to see the Giants game, but I did see some highlights and stats.
I could say the offensive line played poorly, I could say those INTS werent really bad throws, I could say this I could say that, but I won\'t
The simple fact is the Giants are 5-3. Kurt Warner has said many times that he is still not comfortable in the Giant offense. And yet the Giants are 5-3, the 5th best record in the NFC.
Warner said it himself, that he plays one subpar game and now everybody wants to pull him. He said he wasnt surprised.
There is NO WAY you can pull Warner until the Giants hit .500. I dont know why in the world anyone would pull a QB after a 1 TD 2int 21 point performance who has the team at 5-3 and in playoff contention. Once again, Until Warner hits .500, no way you pull him.
You think putting Eli in there is going to help? Didnt you see him in the preseason vs the Jets? 2 ints, 0.0 QB rating, and a fumble returned for a touchdown? You want to put this guy in control of a playoff bound team?
You guys are way too quick to pull the trigger.
And Shockwaves, teams/players are going to have off days. Both your New York teams are headed to the playoffs. Why trash them after one game?
I keep hearing how Drew Brees took chargers from worst record in league to 6-3, but remember Warner took Giants from 4-12 last season to 5-3 this year with a playoff birth a real possibility, and yet he gets no respect but all the blame from everyone. It looks like Warner is the scapegoat for everyone\'s problems. Rams blame him even though now you can see that defense and coaching staff stinks, Giants blame him for everything. Sad thing is, he lost only by 7 points and everyone thinks its the end of the world. The Rams lost to the Dolphins. Did they call for Bulger\'s head?
Just calm down and give it time. If Warner continues to turn the ball over and it is his fault they drop to .500, fine, bring Manning in. Until then, all talk about a QB change is just talk
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Ok, let me explain this to you piece by piece.
Originally posted by alliswell
I could say the offensive line played poorly, I could say those INTS werent really bad throws, I could say this I could say that, but I won\'t
The offensive line is bad. You\'re right. That is EXACTLY why Kurt Warner is not the man for this job. The man has no pocket awareness at all, and that cost them two turnovers. If you\'re gonna be playing behind a subpar offensive line, you need to see the rush, and you need to have a better clock in your head that he has. And at least one of those INT\'s WAS a bad throw.
The simple fact is the Giants are 5-3. Kurt Warner has said many times that he is still not comfortable in the Giant offense. And yet the Giants are 5-3, the 5th best record in the NFC.
They have that record, yes, but it\'s not Warner who got them there. He\'s sharing the backfield with the best running back in the NFL right now statistically, and an MVP candidate.
Warner said it himself, that he plays one subpar game and now everybody wants to pull him. He said he wasnt surprised.
There is NO WAY you can pull Warner until the Giants hit .500. I dont know why in the world anyone would pull a QB after a 1 TD 2int 21 point performance who has the team at 5-3 and in playoff contention. Once again, Until Warner hits .500, no way you pull him.
Kurt Warner isn\'t being pulled cause he had one bad game. He should be pulled because he has had more awful games than great games. That game was awful. 2 INT\'s, 2 fumbles lost, 7 sacks, a rating around 50. But then look at his other games. He has never thrown more than one TD in a game. He has never thrown for 300 yards. And in the last 3 games, he hasn\'t been sacked less than 5 times. That is not just the offensive line\'s fault. His TD/INT ratio is nearly 1/1. His QB rating is around the middle of the pack and has been dropping every week. His passing touchdowns are worst among any NFC starter. Dead last from anyone starting all year. Behind Josh McCown, behind Brian Griese who has had half the playing time. Behing Mark Brunell. I mean, come on. The Giants are 11th in the NFC in passing. Were they not 3rd in rushing and 3rd in scoring defense, they would not be going anywhere. There is no way you can argue they are where they are because of Warner.
You think putting Eli in there is going to help? Didnt you see him in the preseason vs the Jets? 2 ints, 0.0 QB rating, and a fumble returned for a touchdown? You want to put this guy in control of a playoff bound team?
You guys are way too quick to pull the trigger.
Yes, yes I do want to put Eli in control of the team. I don\'t care about simply making the playoffs this year, because we have no shot of winning. I would like it, but it\'s not the number one. I want Eli in there because he is the future. I want Eli in there because he has so much more potential than Warner. I want Eli in there because until the season started, Drew Brees and Brian Griese looked awful too. I want him in there because of Ben Roethlisberger. I want him in there because without him, we\'re middle of the pack, and with him, who knows.
And you talk about not judging Warner by one bad game...don\'t judge Eli by one bad PRESEASON game. For other preseason games he looked better than Warner.
And as for pulling the trigger, it\'s not like we\'re making a shocker of a decision here. Warner will lose his job to Eli. The questions is just when.
And Shockwaves, teams/players are going to have off days. Both your New York teams are headed to the playoffs. Why trash them after one game?
This is where you are the most wrong of all. The Jets are headed to the playoffs. The Giants...that is very far from certain. We are 5-3, and we have a much harder second half schedule. Atlanta, Philly, Washington, Baltimore, Pittsburgh...I believe that\'s a 5 game stretch we have. Four of those five teams should be in the playoffs. Add to that the fact that we lost both our starting DE\'s last week, something that will really hurt the defense. Strahan especially. We are where we are now because of our running and defense, and one of those things is really hurting now. The playoffs are far from certain. And besides, so far we\'ve beaten what...one playoff team? One team with a winning record? That\'s what I thought.
I keep hearing how Drew Brees took chargers from worst record in league to 6-3, but remember Warner took Giants from 4-12 last season to 5-3 this year with a playoff birth a real possibility, and yet he gets no respect but all the blame from everyone. It looks like Warner is the scapegoat for everyone\'s problems. Rams blame him even though now you can see that defense and coaching staff stinks, Giants blame him for everything. Sad thing is, he lost only by 7 points and everyone thinks its the end of the world. The Rams lost to the Dolphins. Did they call for Bulger\'s head?
Once again, it\'s because Warner hasn\'t done anything amazing all year. Drew Brees and Kurt Warner aren\'t even comparable. Warner has a QB rating under 85. Brees has one over 105. If you\'re saying Warner should be getting the same praise, you\'re blind to the reality of the situation. Brees has thrown about more than three times more three times the touchdown passes, and thrown fewer INT\'s. All this with much worse WR\'s. I mean really, who are the WR\'s there? Besides McCardell who they just got, there isn\'t a WR on that team that has ever even come close to 1000 yards. Not only that, but he lost his best WR in the beginning of the season to injury, and that didn\'t slow him at all.
Just calm down and give it time. If Warner continues to turn the ball over and it is his fault they drop to .500, fine, bring Manning in. Until then, all talk about a QB change is just talk
See, that\'s the thing. We don\'t have a shot at the playoffs with our ending schedule if we drop that far. I don\'t want to wait for him to blow it, I want to get him out of there before he does.
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Ha, sadly, I agree with alliswell.
The man has lead a team that went 4-12 last year to a 5-3 record, albeit with some bad losses, but hell, they\'ve had some pretty impressive wins, too. If not for Warner caretaking the offense, who knows where this team is.
I\'m completley against this "He lost to the Bears, it\'s all over, bench him for Eli right now" bullcrap, because that\'s exactly what it is. What makes you think Eli\'s just goona step in and lead this team to the playoffs?
The man has one bad game and you\'re asking for his head...lord. Get a hold of yourself, Tony. It\'s one game.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Ha, sadly, I agree with alliswell.
The man has lead a team that went 4-12 last year to a 5-3 record, albeit with some bad losses, but hell, they\'ve had some pretty impressive wins, too. If not for Warner caretaking the offense, who knows where this team is.
I\'m completley against this "He lost to the Bears, it\'s all over, bench him for Eli right now" bullcrap, because that\'s exactly what it is. What makes you think Eli\'s just goona step in and lead this team to the playoffs?
The man has one bad game and you\'re asking for his head...lord. Get a hold of yourself, Tony. It\'s one game.
See Yuz.
i agree..as much as i hate the gmen, and i hate them with a passion, you can\'t bench warner for one bad game...eli is definitely not ready to come in and take over..he looked totally out of place and confused in the times he\'s been in there...yea i know he\'s a rookie..just stating that now is not the time to pull warner...
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Patriots are going for win #8 against the Bills on Sunday night, CAN\'T WAIT!! It\'s about time the Pats get a primetime game.
Lots of interesting matchups this week.
11 3-5 teams as of this week, 6 of them will meet head to head, in essentially elimination matchups.
Another game to watch out for is Atlanta vs. Tampa Bay, Atlanta can seal the deal, or Tampa can crawl back in it. Interesting to watch.
Another key game will be Baltimore vs. NY Jets, I still think the Jets are the superior team even without Pennington, but the Ravens bring a tough D. If the Steelers win and the Ravens lose, it could seal the deal for the steelers.
Just a few thoughts on the games.
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Tampa crawl back in? Don\'t you mean crawl back out with their taills in bewteen their legs? They are pathetic, mainly due to the fact the Tampa coach is one of the worst.
:)
And need I remind you how the Jet\'s done without Pennington last year? Terrible. The boy is great, but he gets hurt to much.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And need I remind you how the Jet\'s done without Pennington last year? Terrible. The boy is great, but he gets hurt to much.
This is true but last year they had Vinnie Testaverde taking his place. Granted Quincy Carter ain\'t that much of a step up from Vinnie but Vinnie is just....blech.
Vinnie is one of those "fool\'s gold" QBs. They can put up decent stats but only the team\'s fans/followers know how bad they are. This list includes players like Drew Bledsoe and Jake Plummer.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
This is true but last year they had Vinnie Testaverde taking his place. Granted Quincy Carter ain\'t that much of a step up from Vinnie but Vinnie is just....blech.
Vinnie is one of those "fool\'s gold" QBs. They can put up decent stats but only the team\'s fans/followers know how bad they are. This list includes players like Drew Bledsoe and Jake Plummer.
Drew Bledsoe wasn\'t always bad. He just started declining... and them came Tom Brady, he was not only cheaper, but better. Tom Brady is like the opposite, he doesn\'t have great numbers, but he wins all the time. I think he\'s first on the list of highest QB winning percentages.
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Drew would throw up ungodly numbers but he was not a winner. I can\'t tell you how many times I\'ve seen him kill a game winning drive with a fumble or int.
Watching him in a big game was kind of like watching the Red Sox in the playoffs(pre 2004 World Series). You were optimistic but you were definately waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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The Jets love blowing games :(
And once again with Warner, it\'s not about one bad game, it\'s been a trend for a while. He\'s only gotten worse, and proven he can\'t do things on his own. He can\'t lead a drive.
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Patriots lead 23-0
Johnny Damon just had an interview about what being a team is.
New England is in sports heaven right now.
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God the 49ers are an absolute mess. Even Rattay is looking like shit. This is horrible... 1-8, later in the year facing Miami in the Toilet Bowl... At this point I don\'t really care. Just get us a good draft pick and f*cking get a stud quarterback. Rattay has been disappointing.
It doesn\'t help that the entire defense is injured... The secondary is practically depleted entirely...
Depressing days for a Niner fan...
Notre Dame better beat USC, or I\'m crackin skulls.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA
USC lose to Notre Dame....BWAHAHAHAHA
Anyways, yeah the Niners suck. But even with a top draft pick I don\'t see us getting a new QB, I think that the organization believes that Rattay is the future of the team. I\'d like to see Aaron Rodgers get picked by the Niners, mostly because I went to school with him for a semester and he\'s a pretty cool dood. I see us taking either Mike Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka, Alex Barron or Antrel Rolle.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Notre Dame better beat USC, or I\'m crackin skulls.
There are going to be some cracked skulls in South Bend.
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Giants somehow lose to the Cards... pretty crazy. Giants are showing there true colors.
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Originally posted by theomen
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA
USC lose to Notre Dame....BWAHAHAHAHA
Anyways, yeah the Niners suck. But even with a top draft pick I don\'t see us getting a new QB, I think that the organization believes that Rattay is the future of the team. I\'d like to see Aaron Rodgers get picked by the Niners, mostly because I went to school with him for a semester and he\'s a pretty cool dood. I see us taking either Mike Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka, Alex Barron or Antrel Rolle.
Bet on Rolle. You guys could use a shutdown corner, and most of those guys will probably go later in the Top 10 of the draft. As of right now, the Niners are staring a #1 pick in the face.
Then again, the Chiefs at 3-6 might want to look at Derrick Johnson. Then again, that would be too smart of a draft pick.
*shoots Carl Peterson for sucking at life*
See Yuz.
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Well the Bills rolled over for the Patriots (as usual). Now the Pats ready their defense for the high flying Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night.
Any word on Holmes for Monday night Jamas? Cause it the Chiefs want any shot of beating the Patriots, they need to do it with their rushing attack.
Just as I expected the Bills/Pats game to be low scoring, I expect the Chiefs/Pats game to be high scoring.
The chiefs will probably put like 30+ points on the board, if Holmes is out there, but their defense is so pourous that I think the Patriots will actually outscore the Chiefs. Just my prediction. It will be high scoring, I will tell you that right now.
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Well anybody who was excited about the Giants now have no reason to be... Eli Manning won\'t even make anything of a spark for that Giants offense. I feel bad for Warner, the guy was on the verge of having a breakthrough season. However I would expect such a move by Tom Coughlin.
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YES!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1923424
About time, thank God. Even if Eli isn\'t great this year, he\'s our future, and we certainly are going no where with Kurt. Breakthrough season? Eli\'s brother throws more TD\'s in an average game than Warner does in an average month and a half, I swear. The guy chokes week after week. You can\'t see that in the stats, but when you actually watch the game you see it. He holds the ball WAY too long, he loses games he should win and he makes games close that shouldn\'t be.
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that\'s a bad move by the giants..eli is no-where near to being a starter..he\'s just throwing him in the lion\'s den...he\'s no ben roselinger (spel)...
meh on another note...i guess i should prepare for dallas to take a L against the eagles tonight..:(
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Does everyone forget that he nearly beat Warner out to be the starter in the preseason?
And even if at this moment he\'s no Ben Roethlisberger, which remains to be seen, he is definitely at least better than 3-0 Craig Krenzel. Any disagreement there?
The bottom line is this team was going no where. The offense outside of Tiki could do nothing for several games now. A change had to be made.
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arghh!~ 35 - 14 halftime..dallas is gettin that ass whooped!...wtf?..oh well i\'m not surprised...dallas hasn\'t been the same since troy, emmit & irvin left...s**t it seems the way it is now...if your team needs a win badly all you gotta do is have dallas on your schedule for a guaranteed win...still a dallas fan tho...oh well..at least we\'re not as bad as the niners :D *jabs at swif*
and shocky i never knew eli almost beat out warner..i\'m just going by the one game i think it was in preseason where he played and he just looked confused..worried and insecure...warner has had some decent games..hell why not give some credit to the opposing defenses he\'s been facing? until i see eli perform again, i\'ll reserve my judgement of him....
at the first sign of trouble i feel you shouldn\'t pull your qb..it sucks his confidence..and gives mixed signals to the team overall..especially halfway through the season...oh and i agree that eli is better than krenzel..
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i completely expected this from the Eagles. Don\'t acted so shocked.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
i completely expected this from the Eagles. Don\'t acted so shocked.
didn\'t you see my earlier post? i\'m expecting dallas to lose...
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Originally posted by clips
and shocky i never knew eli almost beat out warner..i\'m just going by the one game i think it was in preseason where he played and he just looked confused..worried and insecure...warner has had some decent games..hell why not give some credit to the opposing defenses he\'s been facing? until i see eli perform again, i\'ll reserve my judgement of him....
Yep, everyone forgets that if you throw out the Jets game, Mannings stats were:
4/7 for 99 yards against the Ravens
9/15 for 117 yards against the Panthers
7/13 for 91 yards against the Chiefs
All this with no INT\'s.
Those aren\'t bad numbers overall. 20/35 for 307 yards without an INT. All people hear about is that Jets game though, cause that\'s what lost him the starting job to begin the season. Warner over that same stretch:
3/7 for 49 yards
9/11 for 71 yards and an INT
7/9 for 79 yards and an INT
Total of 19/27 for 199 yards with two INT\'s. Higher completion percentage, fewer yards, more int\'s. It\'s not that different really.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Yep, everyone forgets that if you throw out the Jets game, Mannings stats were:
4/7 for 99 yards against the Ravens
9/15 for 117 yards against the Panthers
7/13 for 91 yards against the Chiefs
All this with no INT\'s.
Those aren\'t bad numbers overall. 20/35 for 307 yards without an INT. All people hear about is that Jets game though, cause that\'s what lost him the starting job to begin the season. Warner over that same stretch:
3/7 for 49 yards
9/11 for 71 yards and an INT
7/9 for 79 yards and an INT
Total of 19/27 for 199 yards with two INT\'s. Higher completion percentage, fewer yards, more int\'s. It\'s not that different really.
heh heh...yea i guess i\'am referring to that jets game...good job providing info and comparisons to warner...it seems he just did a little bit better than warner & no INT\'S...all i know of eli is that he had a stellar record in college...meh even tho i hate the giants...i\'d like to see him do well like his brother in indianapolis...
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Craig Krenzel about to be 3-1, Manning is gonna rip the secondary of Chicago apart, I wanna see them blitz and watch Stokley run all over the field on them.
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Craig Krenzel will shred your secondary. :) Man that guy is badass.
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Priest Holmes "Likely to Miss" the Monday Night game against the Patriots.
Patriots 45
Chiefs 21
Improving to 3-7, right in line to get Derrick Johnson out of Texas.
See Yuz.
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The Eagles did the Cowboys up the pooper - DRY with a broken broom stick! :laughing: BWAHAHAHA!
I hate the Cowboys!
GO STEELERS! :D
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The giants have no pass protection at all I hope eli can take a hit.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
he is definitely at least better than 3-0 Craig Krenzel. Any disagreement there?
YES!
Eli hasn\'t started a game yet but Krenzy just keeps on winning. So we\'ll let the play on the field speak for itself. ;)
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^^^Don\'t you remember that hit he took the last time he played?
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Ok Bozco, you got me. You\'re right, Eli is no Craig Krenzel, but then again, who is? I mean, look at the man. Undefeated, and clearly unbeatable in the NFL. National Champion. Molecular Biologist. The list of qualifications just goes on and on.
I mean, honestly, it kills me that the Giants and Jets both passed on this guy. Now they will pay for it as the Chicago Bears dynasty begins to materialize. Perhaps sometime in 2007, when the three time defending champion Bears lose their next game, everyone will realize what I\'m talking about...how Krenzel is a proven winner, how Roethlisberger wasn\'t close to the best of his class, and most of all, just how bad ass that man is. But until then...shh...let\'s not spoil the surprise for all these people.
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I wouldn\'t be suprised if Eli led the Giants over the Falcons on Sunday. They are due for one of those F\'ed up wins.
Then again, I could be wrong, and that wouldn\'t suprise me either.
Patriots chances of winning doubled now that Priest Holmes is out of the picture.
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TOTALLY Off Topic.
I just wanted to post it anyway.
/If anything at least it should get a slight rise out of LiC.
PEYTON = OVERRATED
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Amen to that Samarui
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Right. I mean, Peyton is only on his way to beating Dan Marinio\'s all time record.
Yeah, he\'s over-rated
:rolleyes:
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random fantasy football questions (iv asked other people and havent gotten an answer):
Should i start favre against houston, or be gutsy and go with Brees verse a crappy raider D that he tore up the first time they played..plus LT is still injured so they might rely on Brees. But its hard to sit someone like Favre.
And Pick 2 WR:
Moulds vs STL
Darrell Jackson vs MIA
Jimmy Smith vs TEN
Every time i play Jackson he blows (against a crappy STL secondary)..and 2 times i benched him he went off. So im afraid of benching him since the matchup doesnt favor him. And Bledsoe sucks..
Anyway..go broncos.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Right. I mean, Peyton is only on his way to beating Dan Marinio\'s all time record.
Yeah, he\'s over-rated
:rolleyes:
heh heh. Works EVERY time.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Right. I mean, Peyton is only on his way to beating Dan Marinio\'s all time record.
Yeah, he\'s over-rated
:rolleyes:
He\'s great.
That still doesn\'t mean he can win the big game.
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**** MICHIGAN BEST RIVALRY IN SPORTS AND THEY GOT ROCKED
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Damn, STL got their asses handed to them. It\'s nice to watch your home team not suck ass for a change. It\'s so funny, you guys who live in towns where teams are decent don\'t have to hear what I do. The Bills win one game convincingly, and all the local sports retards are saying we\'re on our way to the superbowl. :laughing:
Anyhoo, 4 of last six games on the road for my Bills... let the pathetic road record continue!
You gotta admit, though, Sam Adams is a freakin\' BEAST!
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Go Bills, man if Bledsoe gets any kind of protection behind that mediocre line, he can actually do some damage.
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Well, he didn\'t hit the WR\'s for shit, I credit our special teams. Plus the TE Campbell actually held on to the ball. Good for 3 TD catches. Bledsoe threw into double coverage on Moulds a few times and got lucky that it wasn\'t intercepted. Moulds has been average at best. Plus McGahee was on fire. (not Tiki Barber on fire, but as on fire as Buffalo fans can expect...)
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i know dallas lost but just look at this pic...not as bad as the joe theisman injury, but still ugly nontheless..
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God the Chiefs Suck. I really really hate watching this team play, because it\'s sort of like waiting to be hit by an oncoming train and knowing you can\'t get out of the way -- it\'s inevitable that this team does something ****ing stupid to leave points on the field.
17-13, should at the very least be 20-17 Chiefs. Sigh.
See Yuz.
Edit: The second I post it, on 3rd and 7, Brady hits Patten for 45 yards down the middle, no problem. Apparently the Chiefs have yet to figure out how to defend the deep ball down the middle of the field. ****ing idiots.
2nd Edit: Right as I post THAT Edit, the Patriots throw a screen pass that goes 25 yard for a TD. 24-13 Patriots.
**** the Chiefs.
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It wasn\'t pretty, but any time you win with the secondary the Patriots were using you gotta give credit to the Coach.
Holding the Chiefs to 19 points was big too, especially because of our dreaded secondary. Well, I\'ll take 9-1. Our toughest game remaining on the schedule is next week vs. the Ravens.
We win that, were on pace for 15 wins.
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That was a sickening display of defense. The Chiefs aren\'t even in reach if we manage to force a fumble at the 5 yard line, and even then, we didn\'t do much with it.
3rd week in a ROW that we\'ve had a chance to tie the game with our offense, and blow it because either Trent won\'t get rid of the ball or the O-Line doesn\'t block.
3-7, and here\'s your most dissapointing team in football. Pathetic.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
3-7, and here\'s your most dissapointing team in football. Pathetic.
I dunno, I still think its the Panthers. But the Cowboys and Redskins deserve some recognition too.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
3-7, and here\'s your most dissapointing team in football. Pathetic.
i seen the tail end of that game, and i must admit the chiefs completely blew that game,penalties, blown coverage and had some opportunities to take advantage of the pats...but i must say that my team (dallas) takes the title of most dissapointing team...
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Not sure how you can say the panthers...absolutley decimated by injuries. Every key player from last year is injured if you think about it (ouside of Delhomme of course)...one that team is healthy, they\'d be a lot better.
I still say the Chiefs. This team had Super Bowl aspirations, and have come and played like a bunch of dogs. Simply pathetic this year. Home losses to the Panthers and Texans, road losses to the Bucs and Saints, and that lost last night where they left at least 7 points on the field...just sickening.
See Yuz.
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No question that the Chiefs are more dissapointing thus far than Dallas. Both teams have the same records, but the Chiefs have the MUCH more talented team and had higher expectations.
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The Chiefs did nothing to improve their defense in the off-season. I don\'t know how you could say they had Superbowl aspirations. Were you expecting them to put 40 points on the board every week?
I\'m sorry but Defense should take precidence over offense, the Ravens are a prime example. The Ravens have one of the worst offenses in the leagues, but a tip-top defense. On the flip side the Chiefs have a tip-top offense, and a shoddy defense, one of the worst. It doesn\'t work both ways, the Ravens are 7-3 and the Chiefs are 3-7.
Improve that defense, and then you can start having Superbowl aspirations. For me, they are only a little bit below where I expected them to be. I thought they were a .500 team at best.
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I wasn\'t expecting too much, but I am highly disappointed that we have only mustered a 1-9 record through 10 games... I\'m embarassed to be a Niners fan at the moment... There is nothing good about them, and they show little promise for the future.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
The Chiefs did nothing to improve their defense in the off-season. I don\'t know how you could say they had Superbowl aspirations. Were you expecting them to put 40 points on the board every week?
I\'m sorry but Defense should take precidence over offense, the Ravens are a prime example. The Ravens have one of the worst offenses in the leagues, but a tip-top defense. On the flip side the Chiefs have a tip-top offense, and a shoddy defense, one of the worst. It doesn\'t work both ways, the Ravens are 7-3 and the Chiefs are 3-7.
Improve that defense, and then you can start having Superbowl aspirations. For me, they are only a little bit below where I expected them to be. I thought they were a .500 team at best.
if what you say is tru hurricane, then this philosophy applies to the colts..and they are not 3-7,...aye they are 7-3 with a horrible defense...or maybe the colts offense is that much more explosive than the chiefs...
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Originally posted by clips
if what you say is tru hurricane, then this philosophy applies to the colts..and they are not 3-7,...aye they are 7-3 with a horrible defense...or maybe the colts offense is that much more explosive than the chiefs...
The difference between the Colts and the Chiefs...
Watch out for the defense. It is getting better. As long as they can play with the lead, the defense will make plays.
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They\'re just as bad defensively as the Chiefs...
The problem with the Chiefs is that, when the offense actually needs to come through, it doesn\'t. The offense is starting to show cracks, and with the defense already being shit, all we have is a bunch of high-priced old sucky talent.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I\'m sorry but Defense should take precidence over offense, the Ravens are a prime example. The Ravens have one of the worst offenses in the leagues, but a tip-top defense. On the flip side the Chiefs have a tip-top offense, and a shoddy defense, one of the worst. It doesn\'t work both ways, the Ravens are 7-3 and the Chiefs are 3-7.
Of course, let\'s just forget that Rams super bowl team...
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Yeah but that Rams Superbowl team wasn\'t in the cellar in the defensive catagory. Lets look at recent trends...
2004 - Patriots - won with defense
2003 - Buccaneers - won with defense
2002 - Patriots - won with defense
2001 - Ravens - won with defense
2000 - Rams - won with offense (but had a mediocre defense)
4 out of 5 aint bad.
Improve that defense and than I\'ll consider the Chiefs a Superbowl contender.
Where in my statement did I say the Colts defense was good, I said it was getting better. The Colts are not a Superbowl team either, they will lose in the first or second round of the playoffs.
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Look at the 7 years before that, and there is no team with a better defense than offense. (although there were a couple of defensive teams that got beat up on)
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I thought we were talking recent trends here.
And just so were clear, the Broncos and Packers both had pretty stingy defenses if I\'m not mistaken.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
2004 - Patriots - won with defense
The 2004 Pats won the Superbowl with offense. They may have been a defensive team but their offense won them that game.
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Have to agree with Sam on that one. The Panthers kept that game close, but the Patriot\'s won it with their field goals.
:D
Colts are beating the living hell out of Detriot. And you heard it here first, Bears will beat Dallas.
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Bears will finish 9-7 and make the NFC playoffs!
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Bears will finish 9-7 and make the NFC playoffs!
Yea, with Krenzel, that has no chance of happening and we all know that.
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well, the NFC just keeps getting worse.
The Bears and Cowboys are both 4-7.
The Rams and Giants will both be 5-6 come this Sunday,
Tampa should beat Carolina, but I\'ll be rooting for the Panthers.
New Orleans is a definite loss vs. Atlanta, another 4-7 NFC team.
And the game of the week, San Fran vs. Miami, this has toilet bowl written all over it.
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GO STEELERS! :D
However, I have a feeling the redskins will win against them. They have a solid defense and i think Patrick Ramsey SHOULD get his offense going.
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Well we finally found our running back. Julius Jones reminds me of Emmitt. Still need to find a good quarterback, and get our defense back to the previous seasons calibur.
Last year the cowboys had a winning record(they had the best defense in the league), this year they focuesd on offense and look what happened. Thus, adding more to videoholics theory :)
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at preseason i said the superbowl would be patriots vs eagles but now im gunna say steelers vs eagles. The NFC is horrible right now, thats why the eagles will get in.
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I would stick with Pats vs. Eagles, even though they lost to the Steelers, it was one loss in what, 26 games?
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Also, Corey Dillon didn\'t play and made the Pats offense completely one dimensional.
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yea, but basing it on more than that game, big ben has showed he can play game after game, and even when he struggles the defense shuts down the other team. Your right that it hurt them not having corey dillon but i still see the Pats falling short to them in the afc championship game.
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Pats will beat the Eagles. The Pats are such a conseravtive team, they don\'t take risks and that is what gets them the wins. That is also why on almost all their games they are a close win. They simply never take a risk. Where as Mcnabb and T.O will try to take risks, go for that long pass and most likely be denied by the Pats.
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The Pats toughest remaining game, this Sunday against the Ravens. Also note that Jamal Lewis is NOT playing. Also note that only one team remains with a winning record on the Pats schedule (the J-E-T-S).
Hope the best from them.
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yay Bills....why couldn\'t they have turned it on earlier?
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Steelers have a tough schedule ahead.
At Jax Jaguars
NY Jets
At NY Giants
Ravens
At Buffalo Bills - possibly the easiest? But they just routed the Seahawks.
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Buffalo Bills are tough at home.
Patriots have a cakewalk schedule with one exception, when they go to the Jets in week 16.
Broncos lost at home, that suprised me a little bit, but for the most part there were no suprises. The Colts SEEMINGLY wrapped up the division now that Jacksonville has to play the Steelers.
Suprises, not really. The AFC continues to domincate while the NFC continues to suck really really badly.
Go Pats, Go Seahawks... (Superbowl Picks)
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Bills at home? Last home game of season (probably)... ouch.. may be tough... if the Steelers have it cliched by then, they may just tank it.
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EAGLES WIN DIVISION:D
I still would go with the pats vs eagles in the bowl.
Even though I hate the pats with a passion. There just damn good and they always find away to win. And thus far they have proven when it counts they can step it up.
I still hate brady
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I don\'t see how anyone could pick anyone but the Eagles in the Superbowl from the NFC, the way they\'re playing. Terrell Owens is the NFL MVP this year in my opinion, even though he\'ll never win it with what Peyton is doing.
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Breaking Marino\'s record>anything T.O. can do this year
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Peyton Manning is the shoe-in, but I still think there are better candidates for MVP than TO even if he wasn\'t.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Peyton Manning is the shoe-in, but I still think there are better candidates for MVP than TO even if he wasn\'t.
I smell a hater:stick:
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Hmmm most VALUEABLE player...
Eagles w/ TO 10-1, he hasn\'t missed a game.
Patriots w/ Corey Dillon 10-0. Patriots w/out Corey Dillon 0-1.
Hmm... I seem to think that McNabb and TO both have equal value to the Eagles.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Pats will beat the Eagles. The Pats are such a conseravtive team, they don\'t take risks and that is what gets them the wins. That is also why on almost all their games they are a close win. They simply never take a risk. Where as Mcnabb and T.O will try to take risks, go for that long pass and most likely be denied by the Pats.
You know, besides the intentional safeties, fake FG\'s, fake punts, HB passes to the QB, WR playing CB, DE playing FB, and LB playing TE. They DEFINATELY don\'t take risks. Especially like those Colts. Whoo boy. Their defense is so horrid that they risk a loss everytime their overrated QB doesn\'t throw 9 touchdowns. Now THAT is putting it all on the line.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
You know, besides the intentional safeties, fake FG\'s, fake punts, HB passes to the QB, WR playing CB, DE playing FB, and LB playing TE. They DEFINATELY don\'t take risks. Especially like those Colts. Whoo boy. Their defense is so horrid that they risk a loss everytime their overrated QB doesn\'t throw 9 touchdowns. Now THAT is putting it all on the line.
Marino was also over-rated right? I mean - because we all know Manning will break Marino\'s record.
Just curious.
;)
Never said Colt\'s had a defense, they got a terrible defense, but when you have one of teh best offense\'s in the league, what can you say? Score a lot of points. It\'s not Superbowl material, but the Colts make for a damn good game.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Hmmm most VALUEABLE player...
Eagles w/ TO 10-1, he hasn\'t missed a game.
Patriots w/ Corey Dillon 10-0. Patriots w/out Corey Dillon 0-1.
Hmm... I seem to think that McNabb and TO both have equal value to the Eagles.
The Pats are the same team with Dillon that they were last year without him. Sure, maybe they are a little better in terms of actual talent, but the team has the same feeling to them.
The Eagles feel like something completely new this year with TO, not just compared to last year, but compared to any team in a long while. There is NO team with the kind of swagger they have right now, not the Pats, not the Steelers...no one. And it\'s all because of TO. He has been by far the best WR in the NFL, but it\'s not just his play on the field. Peyton Manning, it\'s just his play on the field. Corey Dillon, it\'s just his play on the field. TO creates a buzz around that team that no one else could. He creates so much excitement, so much confidence, just by the way he acts, and how he can back it up despite people game planning around him, changes this team more than I can remember one player changing a team in recent memory.
Of course, Peyton will win, and I won\'t complain with the stats he\'s putting up and the way he\'s playing. He is the best player in the NFL right now. But the difference Owens made...it\'s just beyond any other player I think.
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You also have to look at the negative side of T.O and that is the fact if he does not get the ball enough, he get\'s frustrated and when he gets frustrated, he frustrates the rest of the team. That is one of the main tactics the Steelers used on the Eagles, keep T.O frustrated and you can dominate the Eagles. This was visible in the first half of the Giants game also, when he was all but crying that he was not getting the ball and Pinkston was.
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Originally posted by alliswell
I but remember Warner took Giants from 4-12 last season to 5-3 this year with a playoff birth a real possibility, and yet he gets no respect but all the blame from everyone. It looks like Warner is the scapegoat for everyone\'s problems.
"I\'m a little surprised," receiver Amani Toomer said. "The offense is sputtering, but it\'s not all Kurt. He is kind of the scapegoat."
I\'m not going to say anything negative about Eli. Why should I when it is not his fault?
He\'s playing with a very poor 1-2 reciever Hilliard and Toomer, who cant seem to get open at all. Did they catch any balls vs the eagles?
Who expected Eli to make a difference? You throw a rookie in there to play behind a poor O-line, then you give him recievers who can\'t get open, where your best recieving threat is yoru TE or 3rd speed wide receiver.
Then you have an offensive cordinator who cant manage to run plays in the redzone that get a touchdown.
The people of New York were kidding themselves when they thought a rookie could be an improvement over a two time MVP.
The Giants were at 5-3 and all of New York was "Counting down to the Eli era" actually rooting against the QB who got their crappy team to 5-3.
Mike Ditka among others think, I dare say this, Eli is a better QB then Warner, and he gives them the best shot to win and make it to the playoffs. I remember one "NFL expert" saying he thought Eli was a better QB than Warner after the Falcons game. Oh my. If Warner played that game they would have won. And lets not bring up the Eagles game.
I fooled myself into thining the Giants would give Warner a fair chance this season. i was wrong. They did what I should have known they would have done, bench Warner at the slightest sign of trouble for the 40 million dollar prospect. Warner got half the snaps in training camp and while the Giants were sitting there at 5-2 Eli was still getting 30%+ of the snaps in practice. I wonder if warner thought he had a chance to finish the season. Hes been treated so poorly the past couple of seasons.
Vs the Cardinals Warner was 19-30 1TD, No INTS no fumbles, and he gets pulled. Warner said it best, that there were bigger things then just his performance that got him benched
The Giants may not win another game for the rest of the season
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well all i have to say is that dallas whooped chicago\'s a$$.... uhm...yeah!...*slowly backs out of thread*
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Too bad the Eagles are gonna smack Favre around and end the Packers winning streak this week. I\'d like to see an NFC team give the Eagles a fight.
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i will say this it seems that this year the eagles should at least go to the superbowl..it\'s their year and they deserve to go from the nfc standpoint..as far as the afc goes..maybe the steelers? and also i\'d like to say the colts, but they always seem to get knocked out of it every year...looks like it may possibly be the pats again...
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Eagles from the NFC
Colts vs. Patriots for AFC title again. Steelers will fold.
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Originally posted by alliswell
I fooled myself into thining the Giants would give Warner a fair chance this season. i was wrong. They did what I should have known they would have done, bench Warner at the slightest sign of trouble for the 40 million dollar prospect. Warner got half the snaps in training camp and while the Giants were sitting there at 5-2 Eli was still getting 30%+ of the snaps in practice. I wonder if warner thought he had a chance to finish the season. Hes been treated so poorly the past couple of seasons.
Clowd, shut the hell up, you have no idea what you are talking about. Tell me, how many of those games with Warner, and how many of those games with Eli, did you watch? Actually watch the entire thing of, the whole way through? Because if you did watch them, you would know why people are saying Eli is better, why Warner got benched, and why this move had to be made.
First of all, the reason the Giants were 5-3 was not Warner. Not at all, and I have no idea how you can even begin to claim that. It was not Warner at all, it was Tiki Barber and the defense. The defense was playing incredibly, and Tiki was arguably the MVP at that point. Warner had less than a TD a game, and NO multiple touchdown games, so I have no idea how you can even argue that he was what made them run offensively.
Eli has played the two best teams in the conference. They weren\'t supposed to win either game. And yet, for half of that Eagles game, they were flat out out playing the Eagles. They also were very close with the Falcons. Eli\'s two INT\'s hurt against the Eagles, yes, but there were also things like a blocked punt. But the biggest difference I\'ve seen...the Giants WR\'s have been dropping Eli\'s passes like crazy...much more than they did for Warner. I can\'t even count the number of drops they\'ve had.
The bottom line though is...I\'ve gone into this MANY times, and you have never responded...the change needed to happen because Warner was losing more games than he was winning.
Eli is the future, Warner is washed up. Their play shows that. Eli had 2 more spectacular throws in the first half of that Eagles game than Warner has had all year. That\'s why that change happens.
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you\'re definitly not the only one that thinks that way shock. I get annoyed every time he says warner is the god of football whose career was taken away by the coaches. Like he said, tiki barber was insane the first half, go to nfl.com, click the scores tab, find the giants games during that span, and look at his stats. Im too lazy to do it but looking at fantasy football barber was getting 20+ points which is the amount people like edgerrin james and LT get.
And i had to stop watching the giants vs. falcons game with toomer dropping 2 passes in a row and hilliard dropped a couple. Eli is your future, and once the coach saw he couldnt ride Tiki, he knew warner wouldnt be able to carry the team so why not give your future qb some playing time in the NFL before its next season and you guys have a "getting experience" year instead of "eli\'s played half a season, he knows what the nfl is like."
Warner is done. live with it.
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ahhh....currently the giants are getting that ass whooped...21 - 0 in the 3rd qtr..good! i hate the gmen...and philly is wilding on the packs...damn...i figured philly would win, but 35- 0 in the 2nd qtr?
colts and pats won big today...it\'s gonna come to that same showdown between those two again later in the season...
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Wow Jeff Fisher going for 3 onside kicks in the first quarter seems pretty desperate. Titans put up a good fight in the first 15 minutes, unfortunately the game is 60 minutes long and they didn\'t score the rest of the game while the Colts proceeded to score 51. I have tickets to the Sunday Night game in 2 weeks when Baltimore comes to town. I hope Manning breaks Marino\'s record in front of the home crowd.
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Talk about total pwnage...
Patriots and Eagles win in laughers.
It\'s obvious who is and inst contending this year. Might as well hand the NFC championship over to the Iggles.
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Too bad the Giants werent shut out like they should have been
They get 7 on the board thanks to a 100 yard kick off return
So, after 3 games, the solution to the bumbling washed up Warner has produced one touchdown on offense.
Kurt Warner (3 NFL MVP trophies)
Eli Manning (SEC QB of year)
Shockwaves I have watched at least two of Warners games. I have watched about a quarter of Eli vs Falcons and most of his preseason.
Warner is better, IMO. And I have not seen proof of otherwise
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Chargers are going to the Play-Offs. Woopidy-doo!! Haven\'t seen them do this well in years...
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Wow, best game of the year.
Pittsbugh 17 - Jacksonvilel 16
The kicker missed a 60 FG by a foot.
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Oh and in terms of College football...
Screw the BCS, get a playoff system. God damn, why is that so hard to fathom?
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alliswell, IMO the giants were out of it from the start. This gives Manning invaluable practice time that will help the giants for seasons to come. Warner couldn\'t help them for forever.
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Well you see I thought they were going to let Warner play until they were out of the playoff hunt. But it seems that some teams no longer care that much about making the playoffs. They say "we will lose anyways" and play younger players because of the money they are being paid or which round they were taken in. So are we at the point that if you lose a couple of key players to injury and your 1-2 games above 500 and you call it quits and start playing unproven players?
The Giants real thoughts were to put Warner in there as a treat for the veterans of the team, sort of saying this wasnt a rebuilding year, and they wanted him in there until the Offensive line matured.
They never expected him to bust out to 5-2. I\'m sure they intended to replace him after 4-6 games if he did poorly or they werent going anywhere. But look at the NFC everybody is saying a 9-7 team may make it. 5-4 wasnt so bad. I think the Giants could have won the Falcon game with Warner and they would have lost to the Eagles no matter what. SO they could have been 6-5. I didnt see the Redskins game. I just saw a few highlights. Could Warner have made a difference? We\'ll never know.
Coughlin decided to start Eli Manning for the Falcons game because he wanted his first start to be at home, and they had 2 home games in a row. And Coughlin likes throwing Eli Manning into the lions den, he did it in the preseason, starting him vs the Panthers defense.
I dont know about this welcome to the NFL mind set, it can scar Eli Manning for who knows how long. I\'m sure its killing his confidence when he has Peyton as an older brohter and everybody expects him to live up to the Manning name and go to pro bowls etc
As for Kurt Warner hes not finished Viper_Fujax. Kurt Warner said himself he didnt play his best football. But just because he holds on to the ball 2-3 times a game waiting for his reciever to get open doesnt make you finished. Warner finished this season with 62% completion, and a QB rating of 85.5. That doesnt sound finished to me. Just because he took a ton of sacks behind a bad Oline and didnt have alot of TDs because of either poor receivers/no time to throw/bad play calling doesnt mean this is it.
I read an article that said if Warner cant start or get the opportunity to compete for a starting job he may retire. Some said he was a crybaby etc etc. The truth is Warner doesnt want to sit on the sideline for a whole season. He wansts to play. Money isnt everything to him. He knows there is more to life than money. If he cant play in a sport, why be in the sport? Kurt Warner is a great human being.
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Steelers will win this year\'s superbowl. :D
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wow, they just barely beat a Jacksonville team that is .500.
Beat the Jets first and come back and talk to me. Im a Jets fan this week. :)
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It\'s hard to win on the road anywhere. The Jaguars have had some tough losses, so I wasn\'t surprised at the least as to the closeness of last night\'s game. To me, it was just an impressive win on the road against what I consider a quality opponent. 17-16\'s still a win. Nice to see that Roethlisberger can win the close ones, too.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
wow, they just barely beat a Jacksonville team that is .500.
Beat the Jets first and come back and talk to me. Im a Jets fan this week. :)
Jaguars are no slouches. Steelers are also in a tougher division than the Pats and Jets. Aren\'t those two in the same division?
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I just figured it out, not only does Warner\'s wife call into radio stations to defend her husband, she comes onto chat boards to do it too. Jeez alliswell lay off the guys nuts a little.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Jaguars are no slouches. Steelers are also in a tougher division than the Pats and Jets. Aren\'t those two in the same division?
Wow you are an idiot. The AFC East is a much better division. The Pats, Jets, and Bills will all finish above .500.
Meanwhile, in the North, Baltimore is in jeopardy of missing the playoffs, and cleveland is playing worse than Miami right now.
AFC East > AFC North by far. You know nothing about football.
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It all boils down to Steelers > Pats
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Wow you are an idiot. The AFC East is a much better division. The Pats, Jets, and Bills will all finish above .500.
Meanwhile, in the North, Baltimore is in jeopardy of missing the playoffs, and cleveland is playing worse than Miami right now.
AFC East > AFC North by far. You know nothing about football.
Steelers also have had a tougher schedule, especially in the upcoming weeks compared to the Patsies. AFC East isn\'t as good as ya think it is. You watch, bitch. :)
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Originally posted by alliswell
I think the Giants could have won the Falcon game with Warner and they would have lost to the Eagles no matter what. SO they could have been 6-5. I didnt see the Redskins game. I just saw a few highlights. Could Warner have made a difference? We\'ll never know.
You\'re right about the Eagles game. The Skins game...let\'s see. In order to win that game, Warner would have had to have thrown 4 touchdowns...two less than he had thrown all year. Not gonna happen. As for the Falcons game, Eli I thouht did damn well for the defense he was playing and the way his WR\'s played. I saw no less than 8 dropped balls that game, and that\'s no exageration at all. Maybe Warner wins, maybe not, but let\'s say he does, and the Giants are sitting at 6-6 right now. You said yourself 9-7 is what they\'d have to get to, meaning finishing 3-1. They would have to win 3 out of 4 against Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Dallas, and Cincinnati. Do you honestly think, Warner or not, that they could do that?
When you are running a football franchise, you have to look at thing realistically. Eli being in right now benefits the team in the long term much more than Warner being in. That\'s just the way it is. If you think this decision was because of money or draft status, you don\'t know a lot of things about A) Tom Coughlin, and B) The Giants organization. You clearly are not getting the full picture.
And once again, you didn\'t watch the games. Numbers only tell you so much. I will tell you that if you watched the games, there were no fewer than two loses that you can point to and say that Warner blew the games.
I am a Giants fan, and I had nothing against Kurt coming in. I want Eli playing, and I support this decision fully. You\'re a Kurt Warner fan, not a Giants fan, so of course you don\'t support this decision. Only one of us is unbiased here.
And as for why Eli should be starting, take a look at Carson Palmer, who started the season pretty poorly, after taking over for a very capable vet who almost led them to the playoffs last year, and has matured so much. His game against Baltimore yesterday speaks more to why Eli should be starting than anything else I could say.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Steelers also have had a tougher schedule, especially in the upcoming weeks compared to the Patsies. AFC East isn\'t as good as ya think it is. You watch, bitch. :)
The Patsies? Ok, they\'ve won 26 of their last 27 games. The Steelers played the Pats - Corey Dillon. Dillon is the final piece of the puzzle, they will not beat the Patriots in the playoffs at home or on the road.
Good greif, you guys wouldn\'t know a quality football team if it smacked you in the face.
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And the Steelers beat a healthy Eagles. What\'s yer point? None.
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You guys can keep arguing all you want, the Colts are winning the AFC.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
And the Steelers beat a healthy Eagles. What\'s yer point? None.
ummm, no
try playing the Eagles now.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You guys can keep arguing all you want, the Colts are winning the AFC.
I seem to remember people saying the same thing last year. And then the Colts went into Foxboro and fell flat on their face.
Offense, ya its great. But the \'98 Vikings was better (set the single season scoring record), and they didn\'t even make it to the superbowl.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You guys can keep arguing all you want, the Colts are winning the AFC.
Wow I need to put this in my sig.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
ummm, no
try playing the Eagles now.
And the Eagles would lose again. Good point ya got there.
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Go for it Scott :p
And Hurricane, you won\'t find me saying that last year. The Colts are infintely better right now than they ever were last year.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
And the Eagles would lose again. Good point ya got there.
Reality will rear its ugly head for the Steelers come this post-season. I would like them to play the Colts in the playoffs, and then I\'ll take them seriously as a superbowl contender.
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They beat your Patriots, Dillon or no Dillon that game goes the same way.
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Originally posted by Bozco
They beat your Patriots, Dillon or no Dillon that game goes the same way.
HA! Dillon is averaging over 100 yards per game. He\'s more important. With Dillon in the game the Pats squeeze it out. Remember 11-0, when Dillon is in the lineup. Yes, he does make the pats THAT MUCH BETTER.
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Unless Dillon can play defense, it still doesn\'t change the fact that they put up 10 more points on you than any one else has.
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Oh I\'m sorry, you can\'t fix a secondary in 5 minutes. All of the DB\'s went down that game, and Brown was not a option because he had not practiced on defense.
There\'s your explaination.
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And the secondary is why you allowed more than 200 rushing yards?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
When you are running a football franchise, you have to look at thing realistically. Eli being in right now benefits the team in the long term much more than Warner being in. That\'s just the way it is. If you think this decision was because of money or draft status, you don\'t know a lot of things about A) Tom Coughlin, and B) The Giants organization. You clearly are not getting the full picture.
And once again, you didn\'t watch the games. Numbers only tell you so much. I will tell you that if you watched the games, there were no fewer than two loses that you can point to and say that Warner blew the games.
I am a Giants fan, and I had nothing against Kurt coming in. I want Eli playing, and I support this decision fully. You\'re a Kurt Warner fan, not a Giants fan, so of course you don\'t support this decision. Only one of us is unbiased here.
I am biased to Warner, yes. But, the truth is he gives them the best chance to win right now and make it to the playoffs. I did see a couple of Warner\'s games. I saw him complete 21 of 26 passes vs the Packers. I also saw him do well vs the Cowboys. He had one TD in the Cowboy game but he had a receiver drop another should have been TD.
Tiki Barber has done well, yes, but last I checked he rushed for 100 in most of Eli\'s starts with nothing to show for it.
Sure, it is easy to blame Warner for losses because of fumbling or the sacks he took. It is also easy to blame him for not being able to lead a gamewinning drive. But why not blame the Oline for allowing the sacks? Why not blame the recievers for dropping balls and not getting open? Why blame Kurt for all the bad and none of the good?
Kurt gets all the blame for all the losses in St. Louis, and none of the credit for the 5 wins in New York, but he also gets all the blame for 2 ore more of their losses, like they should be 7-1 if they had a better QB under center
As for the Indianapolis Colts, I\'m still waiting for them to beat a good team.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
And the secondary is why you allowed more than 200 rushing yards?
Have you ever played football?
With a hurt secondary the team had to drop more players into coverage to protect the pass and that left more space to run in.
The Steelers caught the Pats on an off day. If they played each other 10 times NE wins that game 8 out of 10. Losing a top 5 RB and replacing him with a back-up RB/punt returner who has never played a full game will kill your gameplan and make you completely onesided. The Patriots, with a depleted offense, still threw up 20 points on the Steelers.
The Colts have been throwing up monster numbers on SCRUBS. The have faced ONE top ten defense this season(NE) and that was a loss. If your whole gameplan is predicated on your QB throwing 5 TDs a game and keeping your defense off the field then the minute you face a good defense your gameplan falls apart. ESPECIALLY when that defensive team has a good offense. <<
The 2000 Rams had the #1 Offense and #32 Defense in 2000(very similar to Indy\'s #1,#31) and they were bounced out of the playoffs in the first round by the frickin New Orleans Saints. The year they won the superbowl? #1 Offense - #4 Defense. BIG difference.
Peyton\'s albatross contract is going to make him just like Marino to Tom Brady\'s Montana. A career of amazing offensive stats and records compared to above average stats and a handful of bling.
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I\'m just trying to say that you people have to learn to give Pittsburgh credit. Yes Dillon was hurt, but that team beat you, and beat you handily. And I\'m saying it\'s not just in one area. They ran all over you, they passed all over you, and you couldn\'t run at all with guys who COULD gain yards when they needed to last year. Saying that you WOULD have won with Dillon and that you would win 8/10 times is denying how good this team actually is.
And there is no way that Dillon is in the top 5 RB\'s in the league.
Tomlinson, Holmes, Alexander, Portis, Lewis, Green, and James are all better, and you could make arguements for other guys too.
And Alliswell, once again, you\'re showing you didn\'t watch the games and don\'t realize how things really were. The Giants outplayed Philly in the first half of that game, and that was when Tiki got almost all of his yards. He got little in the 2nd half and the Giants were blown away. And he was awful all day against the Skins. That proves if you ask me that the Giants success can be measured pretty well by how well Barber does.
As for making the Playoffs, I already made my arguement about that. Respond to that before I restate it.
And as for the defenses Peyton has done this against, these teams ranked on average 17th in the league in scoring defense, out of 32 teams, which is just about average. However, when you consider how much Indianapolis has scored, if you take out their games, I\'m sure a lot of these defenses would be ranked a couple spots higher. But yeah, last I checked, Chicago has a decent D, Jacksonville has a decent D, etc.
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Originally posted by alliswell
I saw him complete 21 of 26 passes vs the Packers. I also saw him do well vs the Cowboys. He had one TD in the Cowboy game but he had a receiver drop another should have been TD.
This completely killed your argument. The Cowboys? one TD? The cowboys are playing the worst iv seen in a long time on defense. Last season they were known for it and the only teams they held to a low score were the bears (only guy on offense is Thomas Jones); the redskins (we saw how their offense did this season); and the giants. The Cowboys gave up 30 points to Kyle Boller whose having a tough season.
And the Packers up to week 10 were giving up points/yards like crazy.
I didnt mean warner was DONE like "retire in one more game" done..but times moving and hes going to be left behind. Giants need to get Eli moving, and not many teams will take an ageing person like warner. Every situation hed run into would be "start in front of a young guy not ready to play." Maybe the dolphins, cardinals, or the bills would take him. (Bills are screwed with Losman)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'m just trying to say that you people have to learn to give Pittsburgh credit. Yes Dillon was hurt, but that team beat you, and beat you handily. And I\'m saying it\'s not just in one area. They ran all over you, they passed all over you, and you couldn\'t run at all with guys who COULD gain yards when they needed to last year. Saying that you WOULD have won with Dillon and that you would win 8/10 times is denying how good this team actually is.
With Dillon out the Pats had to start Kevin Faulk. Faulk has ALWAYS been a backup. When the Pats needed to gain a couple of yards last year they threw screens and short dink passes. Our starter(Antoine Smith) gave us close to no production. The Steelers are a VERY good team but IMO that Pats are better.
Originally posted by shockwaves
And there is no way that Dillon is in the top 5 RB\'s in the league.
Tomlinson, Holmes, Alexander, Portis, Lewis, Green, and James are all better, and you could make arguements for other guys too.
Courtesy of NFL.com
Leading Rushers
1. C. Martin NYJ 1305
2. E. James IND 1291
3. C. Dillon NE 1221
4. S. Alexander SEA 1190
5. T. Barber NYG 1183
This after he missed a game and a half.
Originally posted by shockwaves
And as for the defenses Peyton has done this against, these teams ranked on average 17th in the league in scoring defense, out of 32 teams, which is just about average. However, when you consider how much Indianapolis has scored, if you take out their games, I\'m sure a lot of these defenses would be ranked a couple spots higher. But yeah, last I checked, Chicago has a decent D, Jacksonville has a decent D, etc.
Those defensive rankings are based on ypg not touchdowns. Indy leads the league in both so that doesn\'t change your argument.
It is not just about the defense. You can have the best defense in the league but if your offense sucks Indy will have that much more time for their own offense to wear you down. The only balanced teams that Indy has faced has been the Pats and the Jags. The Pats beat them and Indy barely beat Jacksonville both times. I wouldn\'t be surprised if the Bolts/Broncs pull off wins against Indy.
Indy is a very good team. Only because their offense is incredible. You can not win in this NFL without defense, plain and simple.
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The Steelers have been playing without Deuce Staley for a while now. Yet they\'ve managed to win with the back up, The Bus. Steelers have more depth. Steelers > Patsies.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Steelers have more depth.
At running back. This is a given. You can\'t compare Kevin Faulk to even an aging Jerome Bettis.
Overall, its arguable. Do the Steelers keep winning with the same injuries as the Pats? Not likely.
BTW, Did it hurt when you jumped onto the Steelers\' bandwagon? Was it crowded?
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Just coz I don\'t harp on the Steelers that much doesn\'t mean I jumped on the Steeler\'s bandwagon yesterday. I\'ve been a Steelers fan since 1974. Hardly a fair weather fan.
As a kid, I used to cry my eyes out whenever the ole 70\'s Steelers lost to the Raiders in the playoffs.
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Umm.... go Bills?
I don\'t have any real hopes for them playoff-wise, but it\'s nice to not be disappointed on a monday for a few weeks in a row. I\'m impressed with McGahee, and Lee Evans is turning out to be quite the WR.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Just coz I don\'t harp on the Steelers that much doesn\'t mean I jumped on the Steeler\'s bandwagon yesterday. I\'ve been a Steelers fan since 1974. Hardly a fair weather fan.
You have got to admit, saying next to nothing about football, let alone the Steelers, for years and then posting non-stop about them the minute they break the Pat\'s unbeaten streak reeks of bandwagon hopping.
Still, who am I to question your fan status. I\'ve had older Pats fans say I was a bandwagon fan when THEY don\'t know who the #87 is for on my Pat the Patriot throwback (Ben Coates BTW - My favorite player when I was younger) and it is annoying as hell.
Originally posted by CHIZZY
Umm.... go Bills?
I don\'t have any real hopes for them playoff-wise, but it\'s nice to not be disappointed on a monday for a few weeks in a row. I\'m impressed with McGahee, and Lee Evans is turning out to be quite the WR.
I\'m telling ya, it\'s Bledsoe. Its just not going to happen with Drew under center. He is just not a winner. Its weird too because the Bills have pretty much all of the necessary components. They have defense, they have two good RBs, and they have good recievers. Its the damn QB and Coach that are keeping them down.
Not that I\'m complaining though. The less resistance in the AFC East the better.
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All I\'ve said in the past NFL seaons here was
"GO STEELERS"
coz trash talking often led to Monday morning humiliations. :)
Thus why I don\'t say much. :)
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Point taken.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
With Dillon out the Pats had to start Kevin Faulk. Faulk has ALWAYS been a backup. When the Pats needed to gain a couple of yards last year they threw screens and short dink passes. Our starter(Antoine Smith) gave us close to no production. The Steelers are a VERY good team but IMO that Pats are better.
And I\'m just saying I disagree :)
Courtesy of NFL.com
Leading Rushers
1. C. Martin NYJ 1305
2. E. James IND 1291
3. C. Dillon NE 1221
4. S. Alexander SEA 1190
5. T. Barber NYG 1183
This after he missed a game and a half.
total yards (receiving and rushing):
1. Tiki Barber: 1679
2. Edgerrin James: 1656
3. Curtis Martin: 1449
4. Shaun Alexander: 1397
5. LaDainian Tomlinson: 1344
rushing touchdowns:
1. Priest Holmes: 14
2. LaDainian Tomlinson: 13
3. Shaun Alexander: 12
4. Jerome Bettis: 11
5. Curtis Martin: 10
total touchdowns rushing and receiving by RB\'s:
1. Priest Holmes: 15
1. Shaun Alexander: 15
3. LaDainian Tomlinson: 13
4. Curtis Martin: 12
5. Jerome Bettis: 11
Fumbles Lost (RB\'s):
1. Duece McAllister: 4
1. Micahel Pittman: 4
1. Domonick Davis: 4
4. Corey Dillon: 3
4. Quintin Griffin: 3
4. Clinton Portis: 3
4. Ahman Green: 3
Fantasy Rankings (RB\'s):
1. Tiki Barber
2. Shaun Alexander
3. Curtis Martin
4. LaDainian Tomlinson
5. Edgerrin James
And that being said, stats are only half the story.
Those defensive rankings are based on ypg not touchdowns. Indy leads the league in both so that doesn\'t change your argument.
Actually, I was specifically using the rankings based on points allowed per game, not yards per game. :)
It is not just about the defense. You can have the best defense in the league but if your offense sucks Indy will have that much more time for their own offense to wear you down. The only balanced teams that Indy has faced has been the Pats and the Jags. The Pats beat them and Indy barely beat Jacksonville both times. I wouldn\'t be surprised if the Bolts/Broncs pull off wins against Indy.
And the Pats have played more? If you really want teams balanced as you\'re defining it, all you have is the Steelers and the Jets. You lost one of those games, and almost lost the other.
Indy is a very good team. Only because their offense is incredible. You can not win in this NFL without defense, plain and simple.
Of course, no one mentions that the defense is getting better as the offense is taking off (6th best in points against in the NFL in the last month). No one mentions that they are FIRST in the NFL in take aways and first in takeaway giveaway ratio. Or that they are 4th in sacks. This defense is NOT as bad as everyone makes them out to be, and the honest truth, and the stats back it up, is that in the last month they have outplayed defenses like Baltimore, Carolina, Atlanta, and Washington. They aren\'t a top defense, no, but with an offense as amazing as the one they have, which I think COULD be the best ever, they don\'t need to be.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
At running back. This is a given. You can\'t compare Kevin Faulk to even an aging Jerome Bettis.
Overall, its arguable. Do the Steelers keep winning with the same injuries as the Pats? Not likely.
BTW, Did it hurt when you jumped onto the Steelers\' bandwagon? Was it crowded?
They have been playing the entire season with their backup QB, and nearly half of it with their backup RB. I\'d like to see how the Pats would do in that situation :p
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Originally posted by shockwaves
They have been playing the entire season with their backup QB, and nearly half of it with their backup RB. I\'d like to see how the Pats would do in that situation :p
Plus a rookie QB. Ben Rotha-hamburger. :p
EDIT : ooooh! New page!
GO STEELERS! :D
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You guys are missing the point.
26 out of 27, and the team has been dealing with more and more injuries. They are now getting players back.
Patriots play the Steelers 10 times, I\'ll take the Patriots 9 of those 10 times.
Shockwaves, you\'ve also failed to mention that Dillon has had 100 yards rushing in 6 of his last 7 games, that one game didn\'t he had 98.
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What do you mean I failed to mention that. That\'s an obscure trend stat, the likes of which I could come up with for any other player in the NFL. Dillon is NOT a top 5 back, and I guarantee you any NFL GM would tell you the same.
And the point isn\'t that you won 26/27, the point is you lost 1/1, to a team that has the longest winning streak in the NFL, and that has beat both of the other two one loss teams. They killed the Eagles as well, which is a much much more impressive victory than anything the Pats have done. And they beat the Pats. You saying that the Patriots are not only better, but far better, is an incredibly biased and groupless statement. You have nothing to back that up except excuses.
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Well according to ESPN.com, they agree with me.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking
The fact is the Patriots have dominated teams since that lost, Pittsburgh has been just getting by. I don\'t need to hear this garbage from you. Beat the Patriots in the post-season and I\'ll give the Steelers their due credit.
Also, the Chiefs beat the Falcons, does that make them better than the Falcons? The Bills beat the Jets, does that make them better than the Jets? The DOLPHINS beat the Rams, does that make them better than the Rams? I rest my case.
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I doubt the Pats could stop the Steeler\'s run game.
I\'m pretty sure the Steelers run defense could cause the Pats to throw a lot more than run the ball.
See you in the playoffs. :)
You don\'t have a case, BTW.
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Ok, we will see who finishes 15-1.
Because the Ravens beat you guys, does that make them better than the Steelers?
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Ok, we will see who finishes 15-1.
Because the Ravens beat you guys, does that make them better than the Steelers?
We still have to play them again. So I can\'t say. And for a while there, Pats were tied 3-3 with the Ravens until the 4th quarter. Steelers would have had 33 points by then. :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
We still have to play them again. So I can\'t say. And for a while there, Pats were tied 3-3 with the Ravens until the 4th quarter.
As opposed to being down 20-0 in the 4th quarter. Thats how the great teams roll. You\'ve got to lull them to sleep and STRIKE!
Especially against that vaunted Raven offense. They are a defensive coordinator\'s worst nightmare.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
As opposed to being down 20-0 in the 4th quarter. Thats how the great teams roll. You\'ve got to lull them to sleep and STRIKE!
Especially against that vaunted Raven offense. They are a defensive coordinator\'s worst nightmare.
Heh...Ravens offense. That\'s a new oxymoron. :p
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Ok lets compare box scores:
(Oh and pats scored in the 3rd)
BAL
0-3-0-0 = 3
NE
0-3-6-15 = 24
BAL
7-6-7-10 = 30
PIT
0-0-0-13 = 13
You were saying?
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I was saying that the Steelers would have scored 33 points.
And back in Week 2, Maddox was QB :)
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Well according to ESPN.com, they agree with me.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking
And CBS Sportsline agrees with me. What\'s your point?
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7973156
The fact is the Patriots have dominated teams since that lost, Pittsburgh has been just getting by. I don\'t need to hear this garbage from you. Beat the Patriots in the post-season and I\'ll give the Steelers their due credit.
Since when does margin of victory mean anything in the NFL? All that matters is that you win. If you look only at margin of victory, the Colts and Eagles are both far better teams than the Patriots.
Oh, and the beating you in the playoffs thing is pointless. The teams won\'t even play. The Colts will beat them both. :p
Also, the Chiefs beat the Falcons, does that make them better than the Falcons? The Bills beat the Jets, does that make them better than the Jets? The DOLPHINS beat the Rams, does that make them better than the Rams? I rest my case.
No, you don\'t, because that is a completely different arguement. These are teams on completely different planes. However, if both the Chiefs and the Falcons had the same record right now and the Chiefs had beaten the Falcons, then yes, I would say they are better. It\'s just like the NFL itself decides things. Playoff standings go by record. The first tiebreaker is head to head record.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Ok lets compare box scores:
(Oh and pats scored in the 3rd)
BAL
0-3-0-0 = 3
NE
0-3-6-15 = 24
BAL
7-6-7-10 = 30
PIT
0-0-0-13 = 13
You were saying?
Of course, Tommy Maddox was in for most of that game. It was 20-0 when Ben came in. Had he been in for the whole game, at the pace he went, the Steelers score over 30 points and win the game. And you won\'t be facing Tommy Maddox any time soon.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Well according to ESPN.com, they agree with me.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking
The fact is the Patriots have dominated teams since that lost, Pittsburgh has been just getting by. I don\'t need to hear this garbage from you. Beat the Patriots in the post-season and I\'ll give the Steelers their due credit.
Also, the Chiefs beat the Falcons, does that make them better than the Falcons? The Bills beat the Jets, does that make them better than the Jets? The DOLPHINS beat the Rams, does that make them better than the Rams? I rest my case.
You have the side of Sean Salisbury, wow. Congratu-freaking-lations on that one.
The NFL decides these type of matters on the field, not in polls like College Football. When it is decided on the field, that\'s whose better. Guess what? The Steelers MANHANDLED the Patriots. They did the exact same thing to the Eagles. You\'re telling me that the Patriots are better than the Steelers despite the fact that the Steelers proved ON THE FIELD that they were better than the Patriots? Give me a break.
The Chiefs beat the Falcons 56-10. They put up 8 touchdowns on the Falcons, who have only lost 3 games the entire year. The Falcons have played nobodies and gotten wins, whereas the Chiefs going into the season had perhaps the toughest schedule in the NFL. The Chiefs have also lost some games that they shouldn\'t have, but they put it all together against the Falcons. Yeah, you\'re DAMN RIGHT the Chiefs are better than the Falcons.
The Rams are perhaps the most streaky team in the NFL...they can\'t win on the road. At all. They beat the Seahawks, true, and since then, the Seahawks can\'t beat ANYBODY. The only reason that the Rams are even in playoff contention is because their division, and the NFC itself, is absolutley pathetic save for the Eagles.
The "even though we lost to you badly, we\'re still better than you" argument is pathetic. Is has no base, and frankly, is juvenille. You got your ass handed to you, you didn\'t just lose. I don\'t see how you could possibly say that the Patriots are a better team than the Steelers when in fact the Steelers proved otherwise on the field, and not in some ESPN Ranking.
See Yuz.
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In other news the Colts signed Marvin Harrison to a 7 year extension for a measley $67 million. Now how are they gonna sign Edge hmmm. Franchise tag him :)
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It takes more than one game to decide an argument, that\'s all I\'m saying.
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You\'re right.
It takes an entire season. Over the course of the season, the two teams have the same record, although the Steelers have played tougher teams, in my opinion.
Or maybe it just takes you looking at the fact that the Steelers have never lost with Ben Roethlesberger, and have the NFL\'s longest winning streak.
Or maybe it takes the fact that besides this game, the Steelers also beat the other 11-1 team in the NFL, a much tougher opponent than anyone the Pats faced.
But hey, I think when you combine those three, and ADD on that one game, it\'s a pretty convincing arguement.
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No point in arguing this anymore. The Pats will see the Steelers in the playoffs and everything will be settled there.
I\'ll tell you one thing though. When it comes down to it I\'d put my money on Brady and Belicheck over Roethlisberger and Cowher any day.
/Except.....um.....that last time they played...... ;)
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I\'m telling you, they won\'t play in the playoffs :)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Or maybe it takes the fact that besides this game, the Steelers also beat the other 11-1 team in the NFL, a much tougher opponent than anyone the Pats faced.
But hey, I think when you combine those three, and ADD on that one game, it\'s a pretty convincing arguement.
Ok, just so we\'re clear, Pittsburgh hasn\'t had an amazingly tough schedule either. They\'ve played 3(Baltimore, New England, Philadelphia) teams with winning records, and beaten two of them. New England has played 4(Indy, NYJ, Pitt, Balt) teams with winning records, and beat 3 of them. By my calculations, Buffalo will finish above .500, as will either one of st. louis or seattle.
So much for your "tougher schedule" argument.
I don\'t know how you can sit there and tell me that Indianapolis would beat either New England or Pittsburgh, but New England wouldn\'t beat Pittsburgh. Isn\'t that being hypocritical?
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Either that or you being so thickheaded that you can\'t see through your Patriot Homer Sunglasses.
Where in the hell do you get this "St. Louis is a good team" crap? You said it yourself, they lost to The Dolphins for christs sake. Sure, they\'ll probably finish above .500, because they play in the shithole that is the NFC. If everything goes as planned, they\'ll make the playoffs with an 8-8 record. Pathetic.
Also, lets go take a look back as to who was the starting quarterback in that game against the Ravens for the Steelers. Some dude named Maddox. Oh congrats, you beat the Ravens -- whose to say that the Steelers won\'t walk all over them in their 2nd meeting?
The Jets (Sorry Tony) aren\'t anything special. Sure, they got Chad Pennington back, but even when he was in beforehand, they weren\'t overly impressive. Without him, they had some REAL lackluster performances.
Oh by the way , how many other teams have beaten the Patriots and the Eagles? Could we clarify? Because I\'m not exactly sure as to who else has beaten the Patriots, and who else has beaten the Eagles? Oh wait, they both lost to the same team, THE STEELERS. LORD.
Even after yet another rant, I\'m still baffled by your faith in these shit NFC teams like the Seahawks and Rams who supposively will, "by your calculations", finish above .500. Hell, I COULD finish above .500 if I got 4 shots at the Cardinals and the Niners apiece.
See Yuz.
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I think shocky and james have just run out of things to argue.
I am the biggest pats and brady hater their is. And I for one and impressed with how their team has been able to hold up with all those injuries and still be on top. It\'s amazing.
Even without there top players I would still pick them to come out on top and that is something you can\'t argue.
Once Roethlisberger looses and starts having bad games then shocky and james will jump onto something else.
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Quddus, if you think I\'m almost out of arguements, you are definitely far from correct.
Three teams with winning records, yes, but also 3 games against teams with 6-6 records. And I defy you to tell me that the way they are playing, either Seattle or St. Louis is even close to what Jacksonville is.
As for those 4 games against winning teams, you won by 3 and 6 in two of em, and lost by 14. Pittsburgh won by 14 and 24 against better teams, and lost without Roethlesberger. It\'s like comparing completely different things. However, if you look at the schedules, and tell me you think it is harder to go 11-1 against New Englands than Pittsburghs, I don\'t know, I\'d just have to disagree strongly. And also, we\'ll see how things end up. Cause Pittsburgh has the much harder final 4 weeks.
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This weekend, I\'m picking Washington Redskins over the Eagles. But I ain\'t puttin\' money on it. :p Just sayin\'.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
This weekend, I\'m picking Washington Redskins over the Eagles. But I ain\'t puttin\' money on it. :p Just sayin\'.
That is why I have zero respect for anything you say.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I think shocky and james have just run out of things to argue.
I am the biggest pats and brady hater their is. And I for one and impressed with how their team has been able to hold up with all those injuries and still be on top. It\'s amazing.
Even without there top players I would still pick them to come out on top and that is something you can\'t argue.
Once Roethlisberger looses and starts having bad games then shocky and james will jump onto something else.
Kobe Bryant sucks, and Detroit is a shithole of a town. Err, I didn\'t say that.
Also interesting how you can spell Roethlisberger, yet you can\'t spell "loses". Just thought I\'d throw that in there, since I am of course running out of things to argue about :)
I\'m not saying the Pats are a bad team...just that some of the comments that have come from Hurricane seem to give off the impression that nobody in the AFC can even come close to touching them, which would most certainly be saying something due to the fact that the AFC has at least 3 teams that could beat anyone on any given Sunday in the NFC.
I\'d also like to add that I usually don\'t post here much, except when I\'m provoked to, which is usually by a comment that gets under my skin enough to get me revved. Quddus, you\'re pretty good at it. Congratulations.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
That is why I have zero respect for anything you say.
We\'ll see. Redskins defense is nothing to laugh at. However, their offense is. :) But Ramsey still sorta just got started. If his receivers don\'t drop any passess, they could pull an upset.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
We\'ll see. Redskins defense is nothing to laugh at. However, their offense is. :) But Ramsey still sorta just got started. If his receivers don\'t drop any passess, they could pull an upset.
I would still pick the eagles with Detmer running the show.
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The BSG (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041210)
People keep asking me why I have a grudge against Peyton Manning. Not true. I just feel like we make a mistake -- not just the media, but fans, too -- of placing too much emphasis on statistics and not enough emphasis on actual success. Certain superstars have a knack for coming through when it doesn\'t matter: guys like Karl Malone, A-Rod, Bonds, C-Webb, Manning, even Donovan McNabb. I would rather see us celebrating the players and teams that come through when it matters.
To me, the best example of this argument was always "Emmitt vs. Barry." Whenever people argued that Barry Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith, my head would practically explode. So you\'d rather have the guy who gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage eight out of 10 times, then breaks off a 40-yard run, over the guy who rushes for five yards a pop, keeps moving those chains and gets stronger as the game goes along? You really think the Cowboys were winning those Super Bowls because of Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin? Emmitt was the heart and soul of those teams. I loved watching Barry Sanders, and he\'s in the Pantheon for "Guys You Should Never Bet Against," but for one game with my life on the line ... sorry, I\'m taking Emmitt. No contest.
Anyway, here\'s the bottom line: Manning and the Colts had a chance to beat the Patriots three times over the past 13 months ... and they couldn\'t do it. After Week 8, they were 4-3 and everyone was saying "same old Colts." They barely held off the Moss-less Vikings at home on a Monday night, then exploded for 182 points against Houston, Chicago, Detroit and Tennessee (four subpar teams by all accounts). Now we\'re supposed to think they can beat Pittsburgh and New England in January -- on the road, in back-to-back games -- just because they\'ve been rolling up the score against crummy teams? Please.
Couldn\'t have said it better myself.
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Good article Sammy, nice post.
Since Peyton Manning is on a mission to become this era\'s Dan Marino (you know, that guy who threw for an ungodly amount of passing yards and TD\'s, but never won the big one), I say we should applaud his efforts. The bottom line is, he\'s performing well enough to get mention on all of the TV shows and articles to fill their sports sections and 22 1/2 minutes of Football Discussion. The Bottom line is, if it doesn\'t get done in the playoffs, who the hell cares?
Peyton Manning could very well become the ultimate time filler, just like Mr. Marino was back in the 80\'s.
See Yuz.
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in other news, I get to go to the Bills-Browns game. Very different previews on this one. USA today\'s guy is giving the Browns 11.5 points, but Peter King is calling for 19-16 Bills win it. We\'ll see. Should be fun regardless.
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People keep asking me why I have a grudge against Peyton Manning. Not true. I just feel like we make a mistake -- not just the media, but fans, too -- of placing too much emphasis on statistics and not enough emphasis on actual success. Certain superstars have a knack for coming through when it doesn\'t matter: guys like Karl Malone, A-Rod, Bonds, C-Webb, Manning, even Donovan McNabb. I would rather see us celebrating the players and teams that come through when it matters.
To me, the best example of this argument was always "Emmitt vs. Barry." Whenever people argued that Barry Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith, my head would practically explode. So you\'d rather have the guy who gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage eight out of 10 times, then breaks off a 40-yard run, over the guy who rushes for five yards a pop, keeps moving those chains and gets stronger as the game goes along? You really think the Cowboys were winning those Super Bowls because of Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin? Emmitt was the heart and soul of those teams. I loved watching Barry Sanders, and he\'s in the Pantheon for "Guys You Should Never Bet Against," but for one game with my life on the line ... sorry, I\'m taking Emmitt. No contest.
Anyway, here\'s the bottom line: Manning and the Colts had a chance to beat the Patriots three times over the past 13 months ... and they couldn\'t do it. After Week 8, they were 4-3 and everyone was saying "same old Colts." They barely held off the Moss-less Vikings at home on a Monday night, then exploded for 182 points against Houston, Chicago, Detroit and Tennessee (four subpar teams by all accounts). Now we\'re supposed to think they can beat Pittsburgh and New England in January -- on the road, in back-to-back games -- just because they\'ve been rolling up the score against crummy teams? Please.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
Couldn\'t have said it better myself.
Just because the colts failed to make it to Superbowl or whatever does not take away the fact that Payton is a great QB.
A lot of great players have never won a championship. If a guy is performing at the top of his game every single week. Then thats pretty damn awesome.
To say the guy is overrated and all that other BS is just silly. I mean what payton is doing is awesome. Rather he wins a superbowl or not he still had an amazing season. He still is an amazing QB. I mean you can\'t name on other guy in the league that is doing what he is doing. If people can\'t see how great that is then that pretty sad.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
People keep asking me why I have a grudge against Peyton Manning. Not true. I just feel like we make a mistake -- not just the media, but fans, too -- of placing too much emphasis on statistics and not enough emphasis on actual success. Certain superstars have a knack for coming through when it doesn\'t matter: guys like Karl Malone, A-Rod, Bonds, C-Webb, Manning, even Donovan McNabb. I would rather see us celebrating the players and teams that come through when it matters.
When I look at a player, I don\'t look at statistics. If I just looked at stats, I wouldn\'t have made all the arguements against Kobe I\'ve made, or the arguement that Owens, not Manning, is the MVP. I think the biggest measure of greatness is not just what you do yourself, but what your presence does to the rest of your team. This is why I have argued that McNabb is overrated...because without him, the team has been just as successful. When I watch Manning, I see him distribute the ball like no one else. He gets everyone involved in the game. There is no other QB in the league right now that would make Stokley and Wayne such dangerous WR\'s, who are each on pace for about 1200 yards and 12 TD\'s. He gets the entire offense involved like no one else. However, football is a game where you can play on only one side of the ball. This is where I seperate him from Marino. Marino did have some good defenses behind him and still couldn\'t get it done. We\'ll see how Manning does this year and in the future.
To me, the best example of this argument was always "Emmitt vs. Barry." Whenever people argued that Barry Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith, my head would practically explode. So you\'d rather have the guy who gets tackled behind the line of scrimmage eight out of 10 times, then breaks off a 40-yard run, over the guy who rushes for five yards a pop, keeps moving those chains and gets stronger as the game goes along? You really think the Cowboys were winning those Super Bowls because of Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin? Emmitt was the heart and soul of those teams. I loved watching Barry Sanders, and he\'s in the Pantheon for "Guys You Should Never Bet Against," but for one game with my life on the line ... sorry, I\'m taking Emmitt. No contest.
Misrepresentation of the players much? During his entire career, Emmitt averaged 5 yards per carry only one season. Barry did that 5 times, and averaged 6 yards per carry once. He was also much more of a receiving threat during his career. He fumbled less often, and played behind a MUCH worse offensive line, with a much worse passing attack to take attention away from him. Emmitt\'s best seasons were Troy\'s best, and that\'s no coincidence. Barry had no 6 time pro bowler to take attention from him. In fact, of Barry\'s 10 season, only in 2 of them did the Lions have the same starting QB for all 16 games. Of course, let\'s not ignore the fact that in his 10 years, Barry was a 10 time probowler, which Emmitt was an 8 time pro bowler in his now 15 year career. As for the idea of Emmitt compliling more first downs, I defy you to find that stat for me. And as far as the Super Bowls, having a top ranked D doesn\'t hurt either.
Anyway, here\'s the bottom line: Manning and the Colts had a chance to beat the Patriots three times over the past 13 months ... and they couldn\'t do it. After Week 8, they were 4-3 and everyone was saying "same old Colts." They barely held off the Moss-less Vikings at home on a Monday night, then exploded for 182 points against Houston, Chicago, Detroit and Tennessee (four subpar teams by all accounts). Now we\'re supposed to think they can beat Pittsburgh and New England in January -- on the road, in back-to-back games -- just because they\'ve been rolling up the score against crummy teams? Please.
Those teams are far from average defensively. Chicago is clearly a defensive team, for example. And he still put those stats up against them. We\'ll see what happens in the future, but I am saying this is not the same team right now that the Pats BARELY beat 3 times in the last 2 years.
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We must remember that BS is a NE fan and will take any chance to take a shot at anyone other than his beloved Patriots ;). The Bills if they win out have a nice shot at getting to the playoffs, woot. And Peyton w/ no championship or not is one of the greatest qb\'s to play the game talent wise and mentally wise.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
And Peyton w/ no championship or not is one of the greatest qb\'s to play the game talent wise and mentally wise.
Nobody will remember him as a a top 3-5 QB of all time if he doesnt win a superbowl. I dont care if he throws 60 touchdowns
Teams are playing very stupid vs the Colts. Instead of running the ball and being patient on offense they are trying to keep track with them.
Jeff Fisher\'s onside kicks are a great example of poor coaching. Onside kick 5 minutes into the game? Going for it at your own 40 yard line?
Also, I am VERY DISSAPOINTED in the defenses this season. Manning this manning that, but you got to remember these defenses have given up more 5 TD passers this season in decades.
Peyton throws 5 TDS vs the packers in one half everybody is wow he is best ever and 4 weeks later McNabb does the same thing to them, 5 tds in the first half.
Culpepper throws 5 TDS vs the Texans 2 weeks later Peyton does the same thing and everybody is wowed
This year\'s defenses stink. I\'m an offensive guy, but these teams got to start making these guys earn it
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Um, which NFL are you watching??? There aren\'t too many poor defenses, its just a pure fact that Peyton Manning is making defenses look like idiots regardless of how good they are, except maybe NE who they should have won that game if not for mistakes. Get over it Warner boy, he will win that championship so don\'t worry.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
its just a pure fact that Peyton Manning is making defenses look like idiots regardless of how good they are, except maybe NE who they should have won that game if not for mistakes..
Detroit
Chicago
Houston
Tennessee
Kansas City
Minnesota
Manning had his biggest games vs these teams. Well, only one has a winning record (Vikings 7-5)
Chicago a defensive team? I guess you can call them that since they dont have an offense.
Originally by mjps21983
Get over it Warner boy, he will win that championship so don\'t worry.
They said that about Marino
The fact is, Peyton Manning is just as bad as McChoke when it comes to the playoffs. Whats his record? 3-4 in the postseason?
Whats worst, is he bombs in the biggest games. 42-0 to the Jets a couple of years ago in the playoffs. 4 pics vs the Patriots in the NFC championship last year.
I\'ll take Kurt Warner (5-2 all time postseason) when he was at St. Louis anyday over Manning in the postseason. How about him coming back from 20+ down @New Orleans only to have his kick returner muff a punt to destroy all chances of a come behind win. How about coming back from 17-3 in the superbowl to tie it with a rushing TD and a passing TD only to have his defense blow it in the last 2 minutes. If his defense doesnt blow it the game goes to overtime, Warner gets the ball scores and he gets his second superbowl MVP.
Laugh if you want, but I\'m sure people would take Tom Brady etc over Peyton in the playoffs.
Originally posted by mjps21983
There aren\'t too many poor defenses,
The league hasnt seen quarterbacks throw this many 5 td games since the merger. And no its not just Manning. Culpepper was actually faster than Manning to 25 TDs. McChoke throws 5 here and there.
Maybe not defenses as a whole, but a couple of teams are REALLY struggling.
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You\'re all missing the point when you look at the teams he\'s playing, and say it isn\'t as much of an achievement because of who it is against. Of those teams Alliswell listed, the Colts were the team to score the most points this season against all of them but the Vikings. Not only that, but against argueably the better ones of them defensively: Houston, Chicago, and Tennessee, the Colts scored 15, 14, and 13 more points respectively than any other team in the league. So it\'s definitely not like it\'s something anyone could do. Also, none of those defenses are bad defenses. I already put this stat up, if you look at their season schedule, the teams they\'ve played average to 17th out of 32 teams in scoring defense, which is just about average. In otherwords, he hasn\'t had any easier a run at this than any other QB.
As for your stat about the playoffs, remember, Manning is still not that old a QB, and us just entering his prime. Take a look at his playoffs last year. In 3 games he passed for over 900 yards and nine touchdowns. That\'s over 300 yards and 3 TD\'s a game. During those games, the Colts scored 93 points, or 31 a game. Since when is that not getting it done in the playoffs?
And yeah, I\'d take this year\'s Manning over Warner at any point in his career in a heart beat.
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I agree that Manning is the most Physically talented quaterback. Mentally, no, if he was a mentally talented QB he wouldn\'t have thrown 4 INTs against the Patriots in one game.
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Physically Talented QB??? Wow that\' a stretch... Manning is the best mentally talented QB... Ryan Leaf has is more physical than Manning will ever be... But Manning is the one still working the league, while Leaf is still a nobody.
I love watching my Colts play and I am there almost every home game so I SEE with my own eyes what happens.
Manning is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. He is one of 11 offensive players on the field... but he is NOT one of the 11 on defense, or Special teams. Those two areas of the game have always forced Manning to wind up throwing more often and trying to come back more often than any other team I know.
When a QB is faced with the task of always making up for your defense, then it is something that puts him in a position to make BIG mistakes and force things that aren\'t always there. This year he has minimalized mistakes and he hasn\'t had to force nearly as many.
The Colts Offense is huge for him for sure, and even Edgerrin James who gets lost in the shuffle is a BIG part of this team. i mean in all likelyhood he could wind up with another rushing title (or at least be 2nd or 3rd) but would anybody notice... its hard to say, he has done his job but Manning\'s passes continue to get the glory.
People often ask me why they continue to pad Peyton\'s stats by allowing him to pass within 5 yards of the goal... and I continue to remind them...IT WORKS. Last season we had three games where Edge couldn\'t get a one yardline run in. Part of it was he was still on the comeback trail from an injury that is difficult to make a comeback from, also in part because that is the same play we called EVERY time we were in that situation...Now, Manning\'s passes have worked, so why change it. and if the proper defense is on the field Manning knows to audible it into a run. He is no dummy, he wants a win more than he wants an extra TD to his stats.
Yes I am biased in that this is my hometown team, but for years Manning has relied on his blankie for too long, throwing predictable pass after predictable pass to Marvin Harrison. Now that he is spreading the ball all over the field, he seems unstoppable. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Brandon Stokley will all have 10 TDs or more. And Dallas Clark, Marcus Pollard, and Edgerrin James could all find themselves with a nice amount of TD catches as well.
Manning knows his stuff and everytime they have been beaten by the Patriots, it always seems Manning does what it takes to get them close but the Colts D gives it right back. This year Manning doesn\'t care... he is on a mission to succeed.
The Colts are the only team to put up 24 against the Pats this season, and that was before Manning and the offense really got going. Now 13 games into the season, they have still not scored under 24 points. and the games they have lost were all to teams that kept their offense on the field and had a much higher time of possesion than the Colts. That\'s the true way to beat this team, make Manning sit.... Keep the Colts D on the field as long as possible. I look for the Texans to do that tomorrow and I think this will be a tight game.
Brad
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Physically, I think it\'s hard to argue against Favre (arm) or Vick (overall)
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wow, the Jets were in the game, and they just handed it over to the steelers, God damn, looks like the Pats are gonna end up with the 2 seed.
Jets showed their true colors, they can\'t win big games.
At least the Patriots won today, 12-1 :D
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Are you kidding me Hurricane? The Jets can\'t win big games? We\'ll see what happens in two weeks.
The Jets got absolutely ****ed by the refs in the first half of this one. The refs cost them no less than 6 points in what was a 3-0 game at the half. They certainly played this team a lot closer than the Pats did.
Prediction: The Jets are the best team in the AFC East in no more than two years.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Prediction: The Jets are the best team in the AFC East in no more than two years.
That\'s great and that means what now?
Also, I could only watch from the 3rd Quater on because I was working. What I saw, Jets settling for 2 FGs, McCareins catching a ball out of bounds, and 2 interceptions by Chad Pennington.
I did also see that the Jets had 12 Penalties, but who can you blame for that. Had the Jets not had so many penalties, yeah I could see them coming out on top, but penalties are part of the game, trust me I\'m as frustrated as you are.
The fact of the matter, the Jets didn\'t win.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
wow, the Jets were in the game, and they just handed it over to the steelers, God damn, looks like the Pats are gonna end up with the 2 seed.
Jets showed their true colors, they can\'t win big games.
At least the Patriots won today, 12-1 :D
The Pats have to play the Jets once more, right? Well, by then, it won\'t matter in regards to the playoffs. It\'s set in stone already, right? Unless the Steelers lose the next three games.
Hopefully, they won\'t. Steelers just have to win the Superbowl this year and I\'m happy with 5 superbowl rings. Then they need 5 more for the other hand. :)
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Well, in the first half, the penalties were absolutely awful. Multiple pass interference penalties that never happened. Like I said, these penalties were just rediculous.
That being said though, the Jets did blow it. They really had a shot at this one, and they couldn\'t pull it out. Frustrating game all around. They seemed like they were THAT close to breaking out all game and it never happened. Of course, I think things could have been and perhaps should have been different, but this is how it turned out. Oh well. We\'ll still be in the playoffs, and maybe we\'ll get another crack at em.
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Bengals racked up some points against the Patsies. :)
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I was almost right about the Redskins upsetting the Eagles. :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Bengals racked up some points against the Patsies. :)
that they did..i\'m not really a bengals fan..but sometimes i like rootin for the underdog..especially the bengals since alot of teams have been makin\' them their biatch for many years now...meh in others news..dallas..oboy..dallas...we desperately needed this win...and this was against the lowly saints...they haven\'t been playin well at all....our final games...
phili----you know that\'s a L
wash---we might beat them,..we got lucky last time we played them...
giants---somehow i get the feelin\' this is going to be a loss
we need to win all three games to be 8-8..and with phili in there that\'s not gonna happen....our rb jones gave us a good late season surge...but his comeback was a bit late....but damn i would\'ve thought aquiring eddie george, that we would have made some noise this year!...s**t i know eddies old but i thought he would\'ve performed better....
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Well, my Bills are definitely turning around their season. 37-7 rout of the Browns. I know the browns suck, but they probably would have killed us in the beginning of the season. TONS of turnovers in that game on both sides. It was really wet and cold. Lotta fun though. Bring on the Bengals, beeyotch! :D
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Bengals racked up some points against the Patsies. :)
That\'s great, they lead 35-14 when Bengals got late TD\'s. Not as close as it looks.
Keep it going, 27/28 games with wins :D
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Paties 35, Bungals 28 with 3:50 left in the game?
Oh yeah....it was a one sided match. No...you\'re not biased. Not at all. An imbecile, yes. Biased? NAAAAAH!
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I wouldn\'t call it completely one-sided because the Bengals offense was having some success. But the score definately doesn\'t reflect how much control the Pats had during the game. It is kind of like the score of the Pats - Steelers game. It was 20 - 34 but the margin should have been more like the Eagles - Steelers game based on how the game was going.
BTW, Brady\'s 7-yard pass from his ass was the play of the week. Hands Down.
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I\'ll agree with that. That pass was amazing. It really shows what I think Brady\'s biggest asset is too, his ability to keep his focus and always know what\'s going on down field...just to find the open guy, even while on his ass :)
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yea i agree that pass was unreal....y\'know the pats don\'t just all out blow you out..like the 00-01 rams...they constantly wear down your defense with precise passing and a balanced running attack..they\'re not really explosive,...but they are masters at wearing down the opposing teams defense and frustrates the opposing offense with a stingy D.....
even tho this didn\'t happen with the bengals,..as they did put some points on them, but for the most part when it comes to the pats..the above is the rule of law for them....
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And incase anyone forgot to mention, the Bengals are good. They would be in the playoffs in the NFC.
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It is true that the Pats wear you down as the game goes one. The Steelers do so even more. Although a lot of \'fans\' might not like it, I honestly think that running/defensive teams are ultimately the best. They are the toughest.
And as for being a playoff team in the NFC making you good, the Seahawks are a playoff team in the NFC, and I would hardly call them good right now. :p
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yea the seahawks are collapsing the same way the chargers did late in their season last year...
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....THE CHIEFS WON A GAME!
Albeit against a team that too is ravaged by injuries and their sucking secondary...but we still won!
Larry Johnson: 104 yards on *rolls eyes in Dick Vermeil\'s direction* 7 carries for 2 TD\'s. Not bad for Grand ma ma.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
As for your stat about the playoffs, remember, Manning is still not that old a QB, and us just entering his prime.
I never even thought about that. What is he 28? Warner had his first playoff run at 28. So lets see how he does . Good point
One more thing. Warner catching Eli\'s off-target pass on the sidelines: Priceless
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I think Warner was still bagging groceries when he was 28. I didn\'t think he made the Rams until his 30s? Maybe Im mistaken though.
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Nope, he was in fact 28 that first good year with the Rams. Basically was good from age 28-30. I know that\'s when a player is supposed to peak, but damn. 12612 yards and 98 touchdowns in 43 games in that age range with a QB rating of 103.51. 3889 yards and 10 touchdowns in 20 games with a QB rating of 76.49 outside of that age range. Pretty strange.
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I think Barry was giving him some of that "cream"
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all i have to say is..damn testicle-verde!...sheeit we had a chance to put the eagles away and throws the game ending interception..we still had time to make something happen..yea we lost, but it was 7-6 for a long time...in that aspect dallas played good...but it\'s still a loss tho...
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I was gonna say something reffering to the Steelers just barely beating the Giants(the sameway Gman Joe did when the Pats only beat the Bengals by a touchdown.) But I think I\'ll let that one pass, and just hope for the best tonight.
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That\'s coz the Steelers have had a tougher schedule than the Pansies. Announcers even mentioned that the Steelers are banged up from all their hard won games. They got bruised up badly against the Redskins, despite their record, they are a tough team. No Kendrell Bell, no Burress, no Duce....still won.
The Giants played a great game. You gotta give them credit. Then again, you don\'t give the Steelers much credit so that might be asking too much from you.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
That\'s coz the Steelers have had a tougher schedule than the Pansies. Announcers even mentioned that the Steelers are banged up from all their hard won games.
Those two statements do not equate.
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However they are both true.
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Go Bills!
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Originally posted by shockwaves
However they are both true.
Why is it ok for the Steelers to win only by 3 against the pitiful New York Giants, but not ok for the Patriots to win by 7 against a much better Bengals team?
I\'m still puzzled by this.
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Ok, so TO MAY be back in a limited role by the time the superbowl comes around (if we get there).
It\'s a huge blow, sure, but not nearly as big as it\'s being made out to be. Look, the NFC\'s weaker than it was last year. This year, we\'ve got a healthy Westbrook. This year, our defense is better. Freddie Mitchell still makes a much better #2 than James Thrash. Plus, this may make the Eagles play harder. It\'s going to be interesting.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Why is it ok for the Steelers to win only by 3 against the pitiful New York Giants, but not ok for the Patriots to win by 7 against a much better Bengals team?
I\'m still puzzled by this.
So...going by your puzzled theory, the Patriots are therefore more lowly than the Giants. Afterall, they got fokked dry by the Steelers.
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Yep, Hurricane you can\'t say much at all figuring that the Steelers tea bagged your Pats, so if you go by who\'s a better team you look at head to head and welp the Steelers won that one hands down. Steelers>Patriots
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We shall see come playoff time. Figuring that they\'ve lost once in the past two years, there not due for another loss until late next season.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Why is it ok for the Steelers to win only by 3 against the pitiful New York Giants, but not ok for the Patriots to win by 7 against a much better Bengals team?
I\'m still puzzled by this.
When did I ever say anything about how much they lost to the Bengals by? My feelings have always been a win is a win is a win.
The Steelers win over the Pats was a win for the Steelers no matter how you wanna spin it, which is why I put them above the Pats until someone proves things to be otherwise.
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Why does it have to wait til it actually happens. In case you haven\'t noticed, the Patriots with Corey Dillon are 12-0.
Ok so if the Steelers beat the Patriots in the playoffs, I\'ll admit I was wrong and the Steelers are definitely the better team.
But if the Patriots win, then I was right all along, and the win in October was meaningless.
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Then i can say that if the Steelers lose to the Pansies, it was coz Kendrell Bell was not playing.
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Yea, no kidding. Just because a player is out, they won without Corey Dillon last year didn\'t they, so really it shouldn\'t effect them at all. All teams have injuries so get over Corey Dillon wasn\'t playing crap.
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29-28 well you can kiss your home field advantage good bye baby, one championship a year for Boston is enough.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Why does it have to wait til it actually happens. In case you haven\'t noticed, the Patriots with Corey Dillon are 12-0.
Ok so if the Steelers beat the Patriots in the playoffs, I\'ll admit I was wrong and the Steelers are definitely the better team.
But if the Patriots win, then I was right all along, and the win in October was meaningless.
And what if Dillon pulls a TO and is out for that game? A team\'s strength is not just in their starters, it\'s in their backups. The Steelers have been without their starting RB for a bunch of games, and it hasn\'t stopped them so far. Being without Dillon is NO excuse.
And that win in October sure isn\'t gonna be meaningless. It means that you\'re gonna have to go there and beat em.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Why is it ok for the Pats to lose only by 1 against the pitiful Miami Dolphins, but not ok for the Steelers to win by 3 against a much better Giants team?
I\'m still puzzled by this.
Still confused? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Hahaha, any more arguement now Hurricane? You just lost to one of the worst teams in the league.
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I bet it\'s coz Corey Dillon didn\'t play. :p
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Man....Boston Globe had this earlier tonight :p
The Patriots take on the struggling Dolphins tonight on Monday Night Football. Read on for our breakdown of what looks like a lopsided matchup. (Boston.com, 12/20/04)
Teehee!
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Ouch, Hurricane\'s whole arguement blew up in his face.
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Yep, he\'ll probably be taking that one up the ass on this thread for the rest of the season.
Not saying he didn\'t deserve it...the smell of his arrogance was, oh, shall we say, a tad overbearing :-P
Tom Brady pulls his best Jake Plummer impression, and throws 2 picks in 39 seconds. Nicely done :)
See Yuz.
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For the first time in my life I was rooting for the Dolphins.
[size=8]HA![/size]
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That was one of those games where you could tell the team had no intensity. You could almost see them looking past Miami towards the Jets next week. They had no fire. Up by 11 points with 4 minutes to go is usually money in the bank for the Pats. Oh well.
You can\'t win all of them. I would have liked the Pats to get HFA throughout but now I just want them to secure a first round bye. A much worse Pats team went through Pittsburgh for a ring in 2001 and I am confident they can do it again. So I\'m not sweating it.
BTW, For what its worth. The Giants are not a "much better team" than the Dolphins.
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All I know is the Pats are now in danger of losing that first round bye. If they lose to the Jets and the Chargers win out, it\'ll be a rematch with the Jets in round one :)
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heh saw the tail end of that game brady did the exact same thing he did last week with the throwing while on his way down trick..didn\'t he say he wouldn\'t do that again? :p...anyway i was rootin for the dolphins...sometimes i like cheering for the underdog...and with this loss..i don\'t see the pats confidence bein shook....i think they just looked past this one...
i don\'t hate the pats either..for the simple fact that they play good football and aren\'t arrogant about their record.. very humble squad...00- 01 rams on the other hand :rolleyes: i hated them...they thought their s**t didn\'t stink..i couldn\'t wait for somebody to knock them off...
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Originally posted by shockwaves
All I know is the Pats are now in danger of losing that first round bye. If they lose to the Jets and the Chargers win out, it\'ll be a rematch with the Jets in round one :)
Except the Chargers won\'t win out. @Colts get outta here thinking the Chargers and their weak CBs are gonna stop the Magnificent 7. You saw what Harrison did to McAlister last week. If it wasn\'t for Ed Reed the Colts would\'ve destroyed the Ravens.
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Originally posted by unfocused
Except the Chargers won\'t win out. @Colts get outta here thinking the Chargers and their weak CBs are gonna stop the Magnificent 7. You saw what Harrison did to McAlister last week. If it wasn\'t for Ed Reed the Colts would\'ve destroyed the Ravens.
Nothing really to say to this post but...
Go UNC Charolette! :-D
In other news, the Chiefs are deciding to play good football. Too little, too late :-P
See Yuz.
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True, but how, exactly, do the Colts expect to stop Drew Brees? :p
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By introducing him to Dwight Freeney, Im sure they\'ll get to be good buds by the end of the game.
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Pfft, sure. I\'m a Cuse fan, and even I know that isn\'t happening.
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Where is Hurricane? I wanna see him eat his words! WHERE IS HURRICANE? THANK YOU SANTA! :D
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Where is Hurricane? I wanna see him eat his words! WHERE IS HURRICANE? THANK YOU SANTA! :D
The man doesn\'t know how to own up, that\'s what. He\'s probably got a pretty good excuse (like family things), but until he finally comes back and tells us, I\'m going to say that he\'s too hurt with destroyed pride that he can\'t come back. Ha.
See Yuz.
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Drew Brees is only good because he finally got a O-line to give him more than half a second to throw. And he has been mediocre several games this season but their D has been awesome this year.
I\'m not convinced by Brees until he does well next year, because he did pretty well his first or second year, completely blew ass the next few years (even when he had time to throw), and now hes in the pro bowl.
The Chargers are all about D..run D/short passing D; despite Gates, LT, and Brees.
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...well duh.
Did you expect Schottenheimer to throw the ball 35 times in a blizzard at Cleveland? 4 for 6 with a TD in a 21-0 win, on the road, in a Blizzard is hardly "lackluster".
They Play good D, and they Run the ball well, opening up other phases of the game...there\'s a reason that they\'re 11-3. MartyBall finally got to working, basically.
If you\'re not impressed with Brees, well, leading a team that last year had the worst record in football to maybe having a complete reversal is quite an accomplishment. Sorry to break it to you.
See Yuz.
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im impressed with him this year. But ill be the first one to laugh when they sign him and he sucks next year.
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I just wanna know if a Phillip Rivers to Chicago Bears/Miami Dolphins/Arizona Cardinals, etc. trade will happen now :)
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OR if Drew Brees tests the Free Agent market.
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Damn, if the Bills get some help, they\'ll be in the wildcard. Whodda thunk it?
BTW Lee Evans is turning out nicely.
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If I were the Chargers, I wouldn\'t even think about letting Brees go.
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they won\'t, plus he likes it here. But with the luck of the chargers theyll put a franchise tag on him and have a year similar to the giants. Except it wont be controversial like when they stuck manning in.
But you\'re right. Noone would let go of a pro bowl qb.
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I\'m still disgusted by the Niners disastrous 2-14 season.
Dennis Erickson better get fired and we better draft Matt Leinart.
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I CANT STAND THE CHARGERS!!! im a bronco fan but dammit. They have nothing to play for, they sit out brees....perfect time to check out the rookie right? nope, they stick in flutie.
And they dont let LT get a couple carries so his 69 games in a row (er however many) is gone to waste.
Broncos on the other hand are getting their asses handed to them by a backup qb.
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That\'s the same Broncos team that beat that Backup QB 33-14, right?
I\'m sure LT really cares about that 69 games in a row with a carry, by the way. MUCH more than remaining healthy going into the playoffs.
Brees started the 2nd half, they just wanted Flutie to get in some gametime because this MAY have been his last game as a pro. Notice that he kept the football after his Touchdown Run in the 1st half. Yeah, I think this game meant something to him. What do you think?
See Yuz.
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I didnt watch that much of it so if it was flutie\'s last then ill agree with the decision to play him. I made that post in the first quarter so i was only thinking "they stuck in flutie because hell win while rivers would suck in his first start" but i get what they were doing.
And when i posted that the colts qb was like 7/7 with 64 yards and a TD.
And the reporter on the sideline said LT saw marty\'s point of view and why he made the decision (we know how LT is. team player), but that he takes pride in being durable and playing in every game so he was kind of disappointed.
I just hate the chargers now because i gave up on them when i was in 5th grade, now we have people in SD coming out of nowhere saying how they love the chargers.
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There is nothing worse than being a fan of a team while they suck and no one else likes them, then seeing the same people that didn\'t like that team jump on the bandwagon. Or if your team was good and had a bad season and people aren\'t supporting them at all and have the audacity to make fun of you for rooting for them.
For example I\'ve liked the Miami Hurricanes for my entire life including when they were on probation and they sucked pretty bad, then all of a sudden tons of Miami fans come out of nowhere because they start having success.
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I just never think I could actually give up on my teams, I\'m too loyal to both the Chiefs and the Huskers.
Been a Chiefs fan since 1991 (The Nigerian Nightmare, Christian Okoye), and a Husker fan ever since I can remember, along with the Chiefs. Simply giving up on them would just be...wrong :-P
See Yuz.
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I\'ve been a Niners fan since I knew what football was. I think it was large part that I was born in 86, and started picking up football at around age 4, when the Niners were the shizzle. Then my peewee football team were the Niners as well, so that just re-enforced things. Then they were champs in 95, and from that point I\'ve been behind them ever since. I must say though, this year was just shameful.
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now i can\'t. Been a broncos fan since 4th or 5th grade. Cant remember. It was the year before they went back to back so i look like a bandwagoning whore. I just thought terrell davis was kick ass, then got into the rest: Mccaffery, Smith, etc.
I was never really that into the chargers and iv been living here since i was born.
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I\'ve been a colts fan ever since the 90-something AFC championship game vs. the Steelers when it came down to a Colts hail marry pass to the endzone (which was incomplete).
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I root for the Browns, nuff said.
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I root for the Bills, nuff said. All those turds had to do was beat a second and third-string team to get into the playoffs. OK year for a first-year coach, I guess. Drew Bledsoe=All-Time Chokemaster!
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I\'ve been a loyal Steelers fan since 1974. I had plenty to cheer for in the 70\'s. And plenty to cry about since their last Superbowl win. :)
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Originally posted by Bozco
I root for the Browns, nuff said.
And I root for the Giants :(
And the Mets.
And the Rangers.
And the Knicks.
Damn, now I\'ve gone and depressed myself again.
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...and the Jets, and the Longhorns, and the Buckeyes...
Don\'t feel TOO sorry for yourself, bud.
See Yuz.
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Longhorns, only kinda. Hell, I was the first to say Cal got jobbed this year.
Buckeyes...this hasn\'t exactly been the best of years :p
And I\'ll always take the Giants before the Jets.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
And I root for the Giants :(
And the Mets.
And the Rangers.
And the Knicks.
Damn, now I\'ve gone and depressed myself again.
Yea, for a while the Buckeyes kept me sane. It was a Browns, Reds, Cavs shitfest. Atleast Lebron is a star.
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Did the Browns have a lot of injuries this year? I know Winslow was out early on, but their defense seemed really shitty. Do they still have Courtney Brown?
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Niners made the first right step in reconstructing this franchise... Getting rid of that joke known as Dennis Erickson.
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and Terry Donahue. Well, York has surprised me, maybe he\'s not a cheap little bitch. Still holding my breath though.
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True...
Now we need to get Matt Leinart... and just build the team around him.
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I wasn\'t real big on Matt, but after watching NFL live and hearing them all agree that he\'s the best QB to come out in the past 5-6 years, I say what the hell, let Walsh give him a look and if he likes Leinart, then draft him.
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I think it was the guys on PTI talking about the 49ers hiring Pete Carroll as a coach, Norm Chow as a coordinator, and then drafting Lienart. I fully understand Lienart and Chow. Lienart has nothing left to prove in college and Chow should have been in the NFL or a college head coach years ago. Pete Carroll on the other hand. I don\'t know. I can\'t forget how terrible he was in New England. His style may actually work with a more laidback Cali team but I doubt it. He should probably stay at USC and become a college coaching legend or something.
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I just plain don\'t like College Coaches in the NFL, look at Erickson, he kicked ass in the College game. Then we have Spurrier, Butch Davis, etc... they just don\'t do well. As for Leinart, I want to like him, but I don\'t know how I feel about him, I\'ll just withhold judgment until we start heading into the draft with the loads of scouting reports on hand. You also have to think that he\'s used to the USC line, and having ample time.... that\'s not going to be the case in SF.
As for a Coach, I\'m looking at Mike Nolan, Gary Kubiak or Romeo Crennell. I like them all.
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I don\'t feel like back tracking for the past 3 pages so I am just posting my predictions.
AFC Finals - Indy vs Pittsburgh
NFC Finals - Atlanta vs St. Louis
Finals - Atlanta vs Indy
Superbowl Champ - Atlanta
and for the 05\' - 06\' year, Detroit Lions are gunna win the Super Bowl in mo town when Barry makes a comeback! Keep the dream alive!
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USC would beat the 49er\'s ;)
I heard some sports show say that and I about spit out my coke.
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After seeing Leinart absolutely annihilate ND, I totally am confident that he\'ll be just as good in the pro\'s.
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st louis in the finals? I dont think they can get past philly or green bay. The last two games theyve had detmer and blake so even without TO, they are still one of the better teams in the nfc. (NFC is horrible)
Plus martz will do something stupid.
Atlanta isnt a bad pick but vick is either horrible or does an awesome job mixing run/pass.
AFC will win the superbowl. The fact the vikings made it in the playoffs shows how bad the NFC is. And im sticking with Pitt vs Pats in the championship, steelers win the SB (because of their D. not Big Ben)
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I want to see either the Colts or Packers win it... I definitely don\'t wanna see the Pats repeat...
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Colts vs. Packers in the SB.
That\'d be a ****ing sweet game.
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No it wouldn\'t it\'d be terrible, Peyton Manning would sit there all day and just pick apart the Packers lack of secondary, Indy\'s may be bad, but Packers isn\'t too great and with Manning as the qb, it\'d be a nightmare for GB and would be a blow out, unless Favre could man up and put up Manning type numbers.
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I\'d just like to see Farve in another Superbowl, and against Manning would make it a very speical game, even if Farve lost.
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uhn didn\'t they play each other already? colts,packers?...i thought that it turned into a shootout with the packers getting the short end of the stick...games like that speaks volumes of either teams defense...
*quick update* rams whopped the seahawks ass 3 times this year..and advance..27-20...i knew the seahawks would lose it..they haven\'t been the same since that first loss by the rams...
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1st quarter was a shoot out. Then Manning owned.
Seattle blows. Doh.
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Doh the rookie kicker on San Diego just missed and the Jets have just won. There goes that "momentum factor" theory.
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Jets bitches :) Watch out Steelers.
Oh, and I\'m sticking with my prediction from before, despite the injury...
Colts vs. Eagles.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Jets bitches :) Watch out Steelers.
Oh, and I\'m sticking with my prediction from before, despite the injury...
Colts vs. Eagles.
That\'d be the best superbowl.
ever.
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Originally posted by unfocused
Doh the rookie kicker on San Diego just missed and the Jets have just won. There goes that "momentum factor" theory.
How do you figure that? He missed a potential game-winning FG in overtime, and their team was deflated afterwards, the Jets go down the field and kick the FG, because SD\'s Defense was down after the missed potential game-winner.
Yeah, I\'d call that the "momentum theory" at work.
See Yuz.
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I don\'t know...I\'m an Eagles fan, no doubt, but the Vikes are going to be tougher than most people expect. Sheppard and Brown haven\'t played a game in a while. In practice...they\'re going up against pinkston...which, of course, is nothing close to TO. It\'ll be interesting.
In addition, I\'d be VERY surprised to see the Colts come out of Foxboro with a victory, though I could see the Jets upsetting the Steelers.
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Favre must have had money on the Vikings.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Favre must have had money on the Vikings.
i agree. i don\'t know how the vikes got into it this year..they are not superbowl quality or even playoff quality team at all....as the sayin\' goes on any given sunday..or was that saturday?
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
How do you figure that? He missed a potential game-winning FG in overtime, and their team was deflated afterwards, the Jets go down the field and kick the FG, because SD\'s Defense was down after the missed potential game-winner.
Yeah, I\'d call that the "momentum theory" at work.
See Yuz.
Im talking about losing/winning in the game or games leading up to the playoffs.
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UGHHHHHH
UGHHHHH
UGH!
jets game over.
You have to be ****ing kidding me.
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Any given Saturday.
Great game, great effort for both teams.
Steelers will be going to the Superbowl for sure now.
Tommorw will be the games to watch..
Colts > New England
Eagles > Vikings
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"Steelers will be going to the Superbowl for sure now."
.....? The JETS had them beat. They haven\'t played the colts this year. The Patriots are one of the best post season teams in recent history.
Honestly, the jets game was such a heart breaker. For Pennington and the Jets defense to put up these two amazing games in a row.... for a kicker to lose it for them.... quite disheartening.
Colts to the superbowl, over the steelers by at least a touchdown.
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And the definition of a heartbreaking game is... :(:(:(
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And the definition of a team is everyone, so Steelers won, you can\'t take anything away from them, because you can\'t fault the Steelers for a kicker missing 40+Fg\'s and you guys act like 40 yarders are a gimme, shit.
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I ran to my bathroom to cry when Big Ben threw another INT with less than 2 minutes left. Then I heard a miracle - my wife shouting THE JETS MISSED ANOTHER FIELD GOAL! :D
Anyway, the Jets offense only scored 3 points! But gyad dangit! The freakin punt return and that interception that led to a touchdown by the Jets took about 10 years out of my life!
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Originally posted by mjps21983
And the definition of a team is everyone, so Steelers won, you can\'t take anything away from them, because you can\'t fault the Steelers for a kicker missing 40+Fg\'s and you guys act like 40 yarders are a gimme, shit.
No one said any of that. We all were just saying it was gutwrenching/ a heartbreaker. And even if a 40 yarder isn\'t a gimme, I don\'t think you can say the Jets didn\'t have it won adn blow it after 2 shots at it...
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If they had it won, then they would of won it, obviously they did not, it was within there reach, but part of their team didn\'t come through.
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The JETS had them beat.
the jets sucked. thier offense produced how many points? yeah, a whopping 3. the steelers almost beat themselves, but pulled it out.
i was at the game too
:)
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Colts and Jets go down.
:(
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I hope no one here had money on the Colts. That offense looked really unstoppable today.
I respect the Colts, and if they had won I would have rooted for them to win the Superbowl. Now we will have to defeat demons of our own in Pittsburgh, I expect it to be a great game. And again, whoever wins that game could easily blowout the NFC in the Superbowl.
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Eh....
It\'s frustrating because the colts on paper should win... i cant figure out what goes wrong.
And the Colts defense played great. They only gave in to the pats offense due to the 40 or so minutes the colts defense had to stay on the field.
No matter how good your defense plays if you can\'t get 1st downs and you can\'t score a single touchdown, you\'ll obviously lose.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
And again, whoever wins that game could easily blowout the NFC in the Superbowl.
I CERTAINLY wouldn\'t go that far.
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That\'s why I said could and not will, I just don\'t think the NFC has very good football teams outside of Philly, and I think Atlanta will actually beat the TO-Less Eagles.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Colts > New England
Does. Not. Compute.......
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I couldn\'t resist.
/I know this is going to piss you off SO much. heh heh. :p :D
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Wow Hurricane came out of his hole to talk smack, the game might have been different if the Colts wr\'s caught a damn ball. Thanks to home field advantage the Pats win another, GO STEELERS
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What the Hell is your problem with the Patriots, they won fair and square. Home-field advantage is a product of winning games on the road.
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Hurricane you\'re a funny man.
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and Hurricane decides he\'s going to come back from his 1 month hiatus to the DATE when the Patriots lost to the Dolphins to talk smack about the playoffs. Hot damn, you\'re classy.
I\'m sure there\'s a plausable excuse for that one, right? Way to face the music.
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Why the hell is everyone giving me crap. If I\'m not mistaken, your team didn\'t even make the playoffs.
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because u were talking about how great the pats were, disappeared when they lost to the dolphins and didnt face the music, then reappeared when they won a big game.
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Oh I\'m sorry, am I required to take a beating when my team loses one or two games in the past 32?
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Oh I\'m sorry, am I required to take a beating when my team loses one or two games in the past 32?
This goes perfectly along with what they\'re saying.
Fair weather fan
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:laughing: Hurricane took a while to come out from hiding.
Man, I sure hope the Steelers win this Sunday. PLEASE WIN! Then go to the Superbowl to beat the Eagles (or Falcons). It\'d be just like the previous when they defeated the undefeated this season, Pats then Iggles.
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Since Buff took it in the pooper, my next hope is Pitt. It\'s a city similar to Buffalo, and I really can\'t stand the patsys. Blech. Plus having the team who crushed us win the superbowl wouldn\'t feel so bad. :)
GO STEELERS!
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Originally posted by Bozco
Fair weather fan
Do you need me to bring up the thread from 2001 when everyone was laughing at me for picking the Pats in the Superbowl, I think not.
Fair weather fans root for the teams that are doing the best, I\'ve rooted for the Pats all the time, I\'ve never "switched sides" so, that argument can go in the shithole.
And BTW, I haven\'t seen LIC show up and face the music. People get down in the dumps when their teams loses, is there really a need to add insult to injury?
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Yeah, bring that up. It would prove once and for all that you are a super genius of football.
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I\'m not even saying that. I\'m just saying, I don\'t abandon my team.
This is also what I\'m saying. Chiefs fans have no right to make fun of the Pats when they aren\'t even in the playoffs.
I took my abuse when they lost to the Steelers, and I even admit they\'re a better team, they have the best record. Doesn\'t mean I won\'t be rooting for the Pats, no?
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Why the hell is everyone giving me crap. If I\'m not mistaken, your team didn\'t even make the playoffs.
Because no one likes you and never have.
Duh!
Oh and uhm.
Yeah, we blew big time Sunday. I got bored and almost fell asleep. God did the Colts suck Sunday.
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on the 1st series when colts went 3 and out..i had a gut feeling that this was going to be a repeat of last year...and it was. even tho the colts did play some good defense,..ultimately...the pats own them...i wanted to see manning and co..beat the pats this time around...with the points they were puttin\' up all season..i thought they were gonna rewrite history there for a minute...
don\'t be surprised if atlanta upsets the eagles...they played extremely well when they played the rams....
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But the Rams are NOT the eagles. The Eagles won\'t allow those big special team plays. The Eagles defense won\'t allow the Falcons to run all over them with ease. The Eagles offense will be able to put up some nice numbers against Atlanta.
The only wildcard: A pending snowstorm/blizzard looming over the east coast for this weekend. I don\'t know weather patterns or anything like that, all I know is what people are talking about on the Eagles message board, which is very contrary to what local reports are showing. Only time will tell...but if we do get this snow, I fear the worst for the Eagles:(
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yea, cuz if the Eagles didn\'t have stonehands already snow sure as hell wouldn\'t help them, but I\'m off this weekend for foosball, GO STEELERS and GO FALCONS, F-Boston
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Last Saturday I kept telling my boy that if the Steelers fall behind late Roethalphabet would make a rookie mistake trying to catch up and cost them the game. I would have been right if Herman Edwards didn\'t start playing to not lose the game. He did the same thing that Marty Schottenheimer did. I don\'t know how you can have the ball in field goal range and not at least try to drive the ball closer to the endzone. When you have a first down with under a minute to go you use at least two of those plays trying to get another first down you don\'t dive up the middle on three consecutive plays.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Last Saturday I kept telling my boy that if the Steelers fall behind late Roethalphabet would make a rookie mistake trying to catch up and cost them the game. I would have been right if Herman Edwards didn\'t start playing to not lose the game. He did the same thing that Marty Schottenheimer did. I don\'t know how you can have the ball in field goal range and not at least try to drive the ball closer to the endzone. When you have a first down with under a minute to go you use at least two of those plays trying to get another first down you don\'t dive up the middle on three consecutive plays.
i didn\'t see all of that game..but if herman edwards did what you\'re saying..i can see where he was comin from...better to just try and get some solid yards on the ground instead of riskin\' a costly interception...but if you are in that situation, i feel you should at least take ONE shot in the air to catch the D off guard if they are expecting run...meh from what i\'ve heard tho is that the jets lost because they missed two "doable" <-------is that a word? FG\'s
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neither the chargers or the jets had to go through the air. Both of them just put 3 runs up the middle for maybe a yard combined. Chargers have LT, they do a sweep play even when the D knows it and they still can get 5 yards. Same with Curtis Martin and the jets.
Plus the jets did that kneel down right before to negate the 1 yard they gained in the first 2 runs. Plus theyre in Pittsburge where the farthest FG all year was like 48 with the winds in the stadium. And the chargers stayed 42 yards away despite a rookie kicker, rainy weather, crappy ground...only difference is that the jets kicker sucks.
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Doable is not a word.
Originally posted by clips
"doable" <-------is that a word?
No it isn\'t.
Go Niners.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I\'m not even saying that. I\'m just saying, I don\'t abandon my team.
Abandoning them like...say...only defending them when they\'re winning, but not when they need it, after a loss?
This is also what I\'m saying. Chiefs fans have no right to make fun of the Pats when they aren\'t even in the playoffs.
Everyone has the \'right\' to say whatever they want. And besides, we aren\'t taking shots at the Pats as much as at the fact that you disappeared when they lost, and didn\'t come back til they got a big win.
Hey, if I followed that same philosophy, would I have been talking about the Giants all year, and defending the decision to play Eli through all the losses? No.
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It\'s a city similar to Buffalo
the hell it is
i\'ve been to buffalo
/vomit
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Originally posted by alliswell
The fact is, Peyton Manning is just as bad as McChoke when it comes to the playoffs. Whats his record? 3-4 in the postseason?
Whats worst, is he bombs in the biggest games. 42-0 to the Jets a couple of years ago in the playoffs. 4 pics vs the Patriots in the NFC championship last year.
I\'ll take Kurt Warner (5-2 all time postseason) when he was at St. Louis anyday over Manning in the postseason. How about him coming back from 20+ down @New Orleans only to have his kick returner muff a punt to destroy all chances of a come behind win. How about coming back from 17-3 in the superbowl to tie it with a rushing TD and a passing TD only to have his defense blow it in the last 2 minutes. If his defense doesnt blow it the game goes to overtime, Warner gets the ball scores and he gets his second superbowl MVP.
Laugh if you want, but I\'m sure people would take Tom Brady etc over Peyton in the playoffs.
Originally posted by Shockwaves
And yeah, I\'d take this year\'s Manning over Warner at any point in his career in a heart beat.
Playoff QBs : Warner, Brady, Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw
Non-Playoff QBs: Marino, P. Manning, Kelly, McNabb, Bulger
I knew the Colts wouldnt win, but I expected it to be close. Once again Manning proves he cant perform when it matters. This is worst then that 40-0 thrashing he took a few years ago. At least then people werent praising him as the best QB ever. Because of that game, the only thing we will remember about Manning this year in the future is that he threw 49 TDs when they changed (enforced if you will) the illegal contact rule.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Abandoning them like...say...only defending them when they\'re winning, but not when they need it, after a loss?
You know, I have a life outside these forums. In fact, I was defending them weeks after they had lost saying that Brady always plays like crap against the Dolphins. I don\'t have to report the inner workings of my life to these forums, I come and go as I please.
And yes, everyone does have the right to say what they want. Now whether their argument means anything that\'s another question. Post like, "I hate the Pats" really have nothing backing them up since no one says why they dislike them.
I don\'t want to hear any crap about being a fair weather fan, where was GmanJoe the past few years, that\'s exactly what I thought.
:gman:
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Me? Please. I\'ve always replied with "GO STEELERS" and tried not to make a fool of myself like you. I\'m not a cheerleader like you, ya little pansy.
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Steelers gonna win it all this year, guys.
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And with that decleration Weltall will go into hiding for another year, like the groundhog... ya know, the one for groundhogs day? yep. that one.
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Depends.
If I\'m right, I\'ll make sure to come back and remind everyone.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I\'m not even saying that. I\'m just saying, I don\'t abandon my team.
This is also what I\'m saying. Chiefs fans have no right to make fun of the Pats when they aren\'t even in the playoffs.
I took my abuse when they lost to the Steelers, and I even admit they\'re a better team, they have the best record. Doesn\'t mean I won\'t be rooting for the Pats, no?
Yep, pretty sure that I never mentioned the Chiefs once in my post. Also pretty sure that I wasn\'t "making fun" of the Patriots after their beatdown of the Colts.
Horray, you took their abuse...I also remember you starting an argument earlier about how the Patriots were superior to the Steelers despite the fact that the Steelers did in fact beat them during the regular season. This would be the first time that I remember you actually giving them props. I may be mistaken, I\'m not sure, just the first I remember it.
In Summary...Go Steelers.
See Yuz.
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I just want everyone to know I didn\'t abandon my team. That is it.
As for Steelers vs. Patriots argument, from the outside looking in, yes the Steelers are a better team. You can throw all that out the window though, cause anything can happen on Sunday, so I\'m not gonna argue one way or the other, I\'ll just let the players decide on Sunday. Amen, let\'s all take a chill pill and be glad that we have football to watch on Sunday.
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As much as I hate brady I would rather see him win than the steelers. All these bandwagon steeler fans jumping out of the ass is just pissing me off.
GO pats:(
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I\'m sure as hell not a bandwagon Steelers fan. There\'s proof of that on these boards.
There sure are a hell of a lot more Patriots fans than there were five years ago, I have to say. And who doesn\'t own a Michael Vick jersey? (I did, when he played for Virginia Tech)
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Originally posted by Weltall
There sure are a hell of a lot more Patriots fans than there were five years ago, I have to say.
Bullshit. It has been Hurricane and I since as far back as I can remember. We were the only vocal Pats fans back then and we still are now.
Unless you are talking in general terms, In which case I would have to agree with you.
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Just because people want the Steelers to beat the living hell out of the Patriots doesn\'t make them a bandwagon fan necessarily, I\'m just rooting for the Steelers because I hate the Patriots.
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I\'m not commenting on the bandwagonicity of the steelers fans I was just replying to Weltall\'s statement about Pat\'s fans.
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I was speaking in general.
As for myself, I bought MY Roethlisberger jersey back in July :D
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I\'m cleansing myself of any "bandwagoning" right now.
First post I made on this board concerning football:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16685&highlight=Patriots
First NFL PLayoff Thread:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17722&highlight=Patriots
Thread where I was right:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18175&highlight=Patriots
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Yeah, you\'ll note a certain individual who was involved there, when he was a regular. Proof that my blood has long run black and gold.
oy, how painful that game was. That\'s when the so-called Dynasty was born.
Hopefully, it dies today, in the same exact place.
[size=12] GO STILLERS [/size]
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Mine...way back in 2001. For no reason....I just said GO STEELERS! :D Steelers fan since \'74!
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9366&highlight=go+steelers
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Ok good, just as long as all this bandwagoning crap is ended.
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Well, I am a Giants and Jets fan. Always said that. And for at least half of that, there\'s no such thing as a bandwagon Giants fan :p
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GO CARDINALS
*patiently waits for them to be the best team in the NFL*
i kiid i kiid
I doubt anyone truly believes or cares if your a bandwagoner. It just was funny that u were talking A LOT about how the patriots were the best, then disappeared when they lost to the dolphins, then came back when the beat the colts. Lets not get in the discussion we had before but just admit that was a little odd.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Well, I am a Giants and Jets fan. Always said that. And for at least half of that, there\'s no such thing as a bandwagon Giants fan :p
So true.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
I doubt anyone truly believes or cares if your a bandwagoner. It just was funny that u were talking A LOT about how the patriots were the best, then disappeared when they lost to the dolphins, then came back when the beat the colts. Lets not get in the discussion we had before but just admit that was a little odd.
Admit that I was angry and didn\'t feel like I needed to take abuse from you guys? I was pissed off enough as it was, I didn\'t need to add more fuel to the fire.
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/yawn
steelers find a way to kick thier own asses yet again
turning game off before halftime
i really dont care if they come back
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If Steeler fans disperse, I would have to say it would be the pot calling the kettle black. Either way, it\'s a good game right now... if your a Patriots fan.
I wouldn\'t be suprised to see Maddox in the 2nd Half.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
If Steeler fans disperse, I would have to say it would be the pot calling the kettle black. Either way, it\'s a good game right now... if your a Patriots fan.
No doubt. My broncos already got their asses handed to them for the second straight year in a row. Next year...
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I\'m actually suprised that New England put up 41 points against the Steelers defense. Steelers are a great team, and they have a promising future with Big Ben, but reality reared its ugly head, Big Ben is a rookie. I look to them to be Superbowl contenders next year.
I mean no disrespect to Steelers fans on this board, but the fact is, I was right. Congrats on a great season.
Dynasty 41
Steelers 27
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Steelers lose another AFC Championship!
But I hold my head high...coz I believe the Steelers will be in the Superbowl next year and win. :)
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And no, Steelers fan do not disperse. Only cowards do....Hurricane. *recalls Miami Dolphins disappearance* :D
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Does that Miami loss mean anything now? That\'s just a cheap shot.
Patriots > Steelers
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Well its one game, so in my eyes the Patriots aren\'t better than the Steelers, they just played a better game today, they had some things go there way and that was the difference in the game. Series tied 1-1 go PHILLY
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Well its one game, so in my eyes the Patriots aren\'t better than the Steelers, they just played a better game today, they had some things go there way and that was the difference in the game. Series tied 1-1 go PHILLY
most asshole statement ever
Fact is, New England won when it mattered, and they won on the road.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Well its one game, so in my eyes the Patriots aren\'t better than the Steelers, they just played a better game today, they had some things go there way and that was the difference in the game. Series tied 1-1 go PHILLY
Isn\'t that pretty much the same argument people were jumping on Hurricane for using after the Pats lost to the Steelers?
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Does that Miami loss mean anything now? That\'s just a cheap shot.
Patriots > Steelers
That\'s not my point. You dispersed or rather disappeared after they lost to Miami. Now the focus is on you, ya little whiny brat, now that yer back. :D
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hmph.
go eaqles?
*sigh*
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
That\'s not my point. You dispersed or rather disappeared after they lost to Miami. Now the focus is on you, ya little whiny brat, now that yer back. :D
I have nothing to whine about... :D
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Asshole statement, its called an opinion. So don\'t get off calling me an asshole because I don\'t think they are better then Pittsburgh, so go suck on your Brady passifier and kiss your Belichek thrown, cuz without him your teams nothing.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Asshole statement, its called an opinion. So don\'t get off calling me an asshole because I don\'t think they are better then Pittsburgh, so go suck on your Brady passifier and kiss your Belichek thrown, cuz without him your teams nothing.
He\'s part of the team no... so how does that not make them better? 31-2 in 33 games is pretty damn good.
I just think you have very weak arguments. Who do you think is the best team?
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The Eagles.
People are shutting the door on them way too soon. It\'s rediculous. First..."Minnesotta just DERAILED green bay...no chance for the eagles"...then "The Falcons ran all over the rams...no chance for the eagles"...they dominated both games.
Here\'s my view. The Eagles and The Patriots are the two best teams in football...not best of each conference...best in football, period. Since Trotter\'s been starting at MLB, he\'s brought a new edge to our defense. In my opinion, it\'s as good, if not better than the Patriots. Comparing offenses...they\'re both very high powered...so if both teams bring their A-game...you\'re looking at a GREAT, GREAT superbowl.
Something else that I think is completely overwhelming...all this talk about Bill Billichic preparing his team better than Andy prepares his for this superbowl. Don\'t forget, Andy was with the Packers through a few of their superbowl runs.
In addition...the Patriots are heavily favored, by the media and by fans. That works in our advantage. My prediction...
24-17, Eagles
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God I want to see T.O. play...
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not sure if he would help or hurt them. Hed be playing around 70%, and didnt he have the same injury mike vick had? just not as bad? cant imagine him getting off bumps or making fast cuts.
I couldnt care less who wins, but ill hope for the eagles so its someone different.
wonder how the patriots will be next year when they lose their offensive coordinator and their maybe their defensive. Or if belichek is really that good. Still remember when the patriots were playing the broncos, patriots were pinned at thier 5ish and the broncos were in a perfect spot to win the game. Then he called to make a high snap and take the saftey and it actually worked (patriots won). Hell of a call.
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Ethan, who are these people picking against the Eagles. Practically no one picked the Vikings to win, and the Eagles entered both games as the favorites...
You know how you know the Patriots are prolly gonna win? A lot of people are picking them to win big. No one is picking the Eagles to win big. In my opinion, if the Eagles win, it\'ll be the biggest upset since the Patriots beat that first team to dispose of the Eagles in the NFC title game.
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It wouldn\'t be that big of an upset if the Eagles won. I think the teams are fairly evenly matched...
However, the Patriots take away what their opponents do best. Indianapolis had the most vaunted offense in ages, and scored a measly 3 points, the Steelers had the best defense around and let up 41 points... so I think that says a lot to what the Patriots are achieving.
Either way, I think the Pats will win on a last second field goal.
27-24 Patriots
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I too would like to see where everyone was saying that the Vikings and the Falcons were going to take out the Eagles, Ethan. That\'d be news in my book...I didn\'t hear anyone even giving the Vikings a CHANCE against the Eagles, same with the Falcons despise their ground game.
The Patriots and Eagles, much like the Steelers, are evenly matched with the Patriots...it\'ll come down to intangibles, which\'ll go in the Patriots favor. Experience, HUGE in this game. I just like the Patriots in this game...they just seem to get the job done when it actually matters, something despite this year we haven\'t seen in the past from the Eagles.
I like the Patriots, but they\'ll win it close...27-24 Patriots.
Edit: Okay, me and Hurricane posted at the same time and posted the same prediction for the game, so I feel obligated to change mine...24-20 Patriots :-P
See Yuz.
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When I say everyone, I mean the ESPN know-nothings. Credit to some, they seem to know their shit and speak it freely (Michael Irving comes to mind...this coming from an Eagles fan). Salisbury, Golic, etc
Everyone was an exaggeration...but still, the fact remains, after the beatings the Vikings/Falcons gave their opposition the week before...there were some saying that they had Philly\'s number.
I just don\'t understand...Dawkins said it yesterday in his press conference and I agree. Philly just doesn\'t get the respect it deserves. Granted, after losing three straight title games, they do have something to prove...but look at their defense. They\'ve, again, been playing lights out ever since the Pittsburgh game. The offense? They\'ve had their share of iffy times...but they\'ve also shown streaks where they\'ve seemed damn near unstoppable. Special teams? From top to bottom, Philly is as solid as they come.
I just don\'t understand why an Eagles victory would be such a grand upset. Because of this "dynasty" in the making? New England is a killer ball club, no question. But dynasty? To me...you need to have consistant success. And yes, the Patriots are now playing in their second straight superbowl...third of the past four, and that\'s amazing, no question. But, let me ask you this...where were they that season in between?
How is it that New England gets blown out by the steelers...loses to the Dolphins and comes close to losing against the Cardinals (arguably two of the worst teams in the NFL)...while the Eagles again have played pretty much lights out all year (despite the debaccle in Pittsburgh...but I credit that to our then sketchy run defense, which has certainly improved dramatically).
Again, all due respect to the Patriots, they\'re a great team, they\'re favored, and rightfully so. There are no excuses in football...but injuried tend to be a hinderance. Again...I give all respect to NE and their team...I\'m amazed to see how their secondary holds together as banged up as they are. But they HAVE shown this season they DO have weaknesses on offense and defense ... so why would this be such a shock if Philly, a very talented and well coached football team, pulled out a W?
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I want the Eagles to win, but if I had to pick, I\'d take the Patriots. I might even take them with the spread.
The fact is, the Steelers have a better defense, and the Pats ran it up on them. The Colts have a better O, and they couldn\'t score a touchdown.
Honestly, the biggest advantage that the Eagles have over those teams is nothing having to do with their talent, coaching, swagger, or style. It\'s that they haven\'t played the patriots yet. And they haven\'t played eachother in a while. That\'s huge. The Patriots are so good at seeing what teams do well and shutting them down, that it just gets that much harder to beat them each time you play them. If you wanna beat the Pats in the playoffs, you have to go in there for the first time, take your shot, and leave it all out there.
I personally would have more faith in Philly if TO were gonna be 100%, but the fact is he won\'t be close. He may play. In fact, I think he will play. But he will not be close to 100%, and against this defense, that could be enough to make him a non factor, even on this stage.
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Right now there is no best team in football, Philly and New England will decide that Feb. 6.
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Wrong. The Patriots are the champions until someone knocks them off, and so far the best offense and best defense in football have failed to do that.
You are the champion until someone defeats you. Philly is the challenger, the number one contender. But the Pats are still the champs.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I want the Eagles to win, but if I had to pick, I\'d take the Patriots. I might even take them with the spread.
The fact is, the Steelers have a better defense, and the Pats ran it up on them. The Colts have a better O, and they couldn\'t score a touchdown.
Honestly, the biggest advantage that the Eagles have over those teams is nothing having to do with their talent, coaching, swagger, or style. It\'s that they haven\'t played the patriots yet. And they haven\'t played eachother in a while. That\'s huge. The Patriots are so good at seeing what teams do well and shutting them down, that it just gets that much harder to beat them each time you play them. If you wanna beat the Pats in the playoffs, you have to go in there for the first time, take your shot, and leave it all out there.
I personally would have more faith in Philly if TO were gonna be 100%, but the fact is he won\'t be close. He may play. In fact, I think he will play. But he will not be close to 100%, and against this defense, that could be enough to make him a non factor, even on this stage.
Good point as far as them not playing each other in a while...very good point.
As for the rest...I\'m not going to dig up statistics right now, but was New England REALLY that impressive offensively against the Steelers? Take away the final offensive series...as, IMO...the Steelers were in shutdown mode. Take away that BIG fifteen yard penalty (the biggest momentum killer I\'ve seen in a long time). Take away those...what...5 turnovers? The Pats defense did a hell of a job shutting down the steelers...and their offense, again from what I saw wasn\'t overly impressive, and was only successful as a result of their defense. Plus...one of the main reasons Pitt had the #1 defense is because they ran the ball mercilessly...completely owned the time of possession. With the early turnovers...they couldn\'t afford to be running the ball. McNabb isn\'t a rookie QB. He won\'t be throwing the ball away like that.
In addition to that...I\'m banking that the Pats shutting down of the colts was all a mental breakdown on Indy\'s part. The Pats don\'t have that edge on Philly.
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I said it from day one the eagles would win it all. And I caught a lot of hate of this forum. Now who\'s on top?
From the get go the steelers where overhyped. There secondary has always been soso. And the pats exposed their secondary for what it was.
The eagles have a great secondary matched with great linebackers it won\'t be as easy for the patriots as it was against the steelers.
I am all for my eagles to win but I would not be surprised if the pats pulled it off. They are the champs.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
Good point as far as them not playing each other in a while...very good point.
Last time they did play (week two of last season) the Eagles had there asses handed to them. This Patriots team is MUCH bettter than the team that beat the Eagles last year while the Eagles are only marginally better.
Originally posted by IareEthan
As for the rest...I\'m not going to dig up statistics right now, but was New England REALLY that impressive offensively against the Steelers? Take away the final offensive series...as, IMO...the Steelers were in shutdown mode. Take away that BIG fifteen yard penalty (the biggest momentum killer I\'ve seen in a long time). Take away those...what...5 turnovers? The Pats defense did a hell of a job shutting down the steelers...and their offense, again from what I saw wasn\'t overly impressive, and was only successful as a result of their defense. Plus...one of the main reasons Pitt had the #1 defense is because they ran the ball mercilessly...completely owned the time of possession. With the early turnovers...they couldn\'t afford to be running the ball. McNabb isn\'t a rookie QB. He won\'t be throwing the ball away like that.
Stop fooling yourself. Throwing up 35 non-garbage time points on anyone let alone the #1 defense is impressive.
If you watched the game you know that Pittsburgh stuck with their running gameplan well into the late-3rd quarter. If they abandoned the run early the game would have been even uglier.
You can\'t discredit the performance of an offense based on the success of the defense. New England is good on both sides of the ball.
Originally posted by IareEthan
In addition to that...I\'m banking that the Pats shutting down of the colts was all a mental breakdown on Indy\'s part. The Pats don\'t have that edge on Philly.
The Pats shutting down the Colts was a physical breakdown of the Indy defense by the New England offense. The Pats offense had as much to do with Indy scoring 3 points as the Defense did because they did the same thing that made the Pitt defense rank so high. Control the clock.
New England\'s defense was tied with Philly for the #2 defense in points allowed but New England ALSO had the #4 offense in points scored. Thats a statistic that get overlooked all the time because the Pats don\'t have many superstars.
When you factor in the Pats #3 rushing offense against Philly\'s #16 rushing defense you see why the Pats are favored to win big.
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Ethan: I must have been watching a different game than you. I saw a pats offense with as many total yards as the Eagles put up this last week, against a much better D. Say what you will about Pittsburgh\'s D, they are certainly better than Atlanta\'s. I also saw the Pats score touchdowns three times on plays of more than 20 yards, including a 60 yard bomb to Deion Branch. And as for the turnovers making it easy: every one of New England\'s 7 scoring drives but one started in New England territory. That one started at the Pittsburgh 48. They had three drives of over 70 yards. I wouldn\'t say that the Steelers offense just handed them their points.
The Eagles on the other hand had five scoring drives, two of which were over 70 yards, and one of which was -5 yards...they were given the ball on the 11 and made a FG. And let\'s not forget...the man who caught both TD receptions won\'t be playing in the Super Bowl.
Black Sammy: That is right, the Pats scored 3 more points per game than the Eagles and drove for more yards as well. Those numbers might be slightly thrown off by Philly\'s last two weeks though. Also, Philly\'s run D is a lot better than that #16 ranking. I thought that the run D was what would keep Philly from being an elite D, but that\'s all changed since Trotter was inserted into the starting lineup. If you throw out the last two weeks, when they weren\'t playing a lot of their starters, only one team has rushed for over 90 yards on them since (my New York Giants :)). This is certainly a different defense than the one that Pittsburgh ran all over, and they are better than their rankings make them appear.
But once again, I think it comes down to the coaching, and as good as Andy Reid is, he\'s up against the best. And it\'s not even close right now. Belichick gives his team such an incredible edge, and the team plays so smart and so under control, that after two weeks of preparation, it\'s hard to believe that they won\'t find a way to win. If the Eagles wanna have a chance, they have to open the game up. The lower scoring it is, the more it favors the Pats.
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This "Defending Superbowl Champs" thing is bunk. There\'s ~is~ no "defending" champs. What about teams that won the superbowl one year and then they didn\'t make it to the playoffs the next season?
This ain\'t boxing, folks. Once the season is over, whoever wins the Superbowl takes home a trophy. There\'s no defending afterwards. They keep it.
Man.....and I thought Cowboy fans were bad. Patsy fans are worse.
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The Pats shutting down the Colts was a physical breakdown of the Indy defense by the New England offense. The Pats offense had as much to do with Indy scoring 3 points as the Defense did because they did the same thing that made the Pitt defense rank so high. Control the clock.
Uhhh, the Colts defense shut down the pats in the first half. Untill the fourth quater they were playing well, but when your offense keeps not getting first downs, you eventually get tired. Especially in that weather.
If the colts offense could stay on the field for more then 6 plays at a time, they would have won the game.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Uhhh, the Colts defense shut down the pats in the first half. Untill the fourth quater they were playing well, but when your offense keeps not getting first downs, you eventually get tired. Especially in that weather.
If the colts offense could stay on the field for more then 6 plays at a time, they would have won the game.
Well it\'s not like you can blame Indy for that. That was their main gameplan all along, keep the ball out of Manning\'s hands as much as possible. They executed that to perfection.
I also agree with Ethan, a lot of why New England shut down Indy was mental. They don\'t have that mental edge over Philadelphia, but they do have a lot of experience.
Eventually the law of averages will catch up to Brady, but not this season. On a side note, you don\'t get much more consistent than 31-2 in 33 games, thats pretty much defining consistent, ugly wins or flashy ones.
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Last time they did play (week two of last season) the Eagles had there asses handed to them. This Patriots team is MUCH bettter than the team that beat the Eagles last year while the Eagles are only marginally better.
Last time the Patriots played the Eagles, the Eagles were not only fighting off a boat load of injuries, but they were also in their incredible slump. It\'s well documented. They started the season off incredibly slow. In addition...to say that the Eagles are only a marginally better team than at that time is foolish. Their secondary is vastly improved. Their linebackers are vastly improved. Their D-line is vastly improved. Their o-line is vastly improved. Westbrook has emerged as a premier running back. McNabb\'s having the best season of his career (and he\'s proving it wasn\'t just because of TO)...and the recievers are finally stepping up.
Stop fooling yourself. Throwing up 35 non-garbage time points on anyone let alone the #1 defense is impressive.
I agree, that is impressive. But, I still say, you take away those stupid INTs Roethlisberger was throwing, and you may have an entirely different game.
If you watched the game you know that Pittsburgh stuck with their running gameplan well into the late-3rd quarter. If they abandoned the run early the game would have been even uglier.
Of course they stuck with it...but that doesn\'t mean it was effective. They couldn\'t control the clock...which is my point. That\'s what really helped the defense throughout the regular season: The fact that they were on the sidelines quite a bit.
You can\'t discredit the performance of an offense based on the success of the defense. New England is good on both sides of the ball.
No question...that\'s not debatable. New England is good on both sides of the ball. But, IMO, not good enough on either side to warrant the hype they\'re getting.
The Pats shutting down the Colts was a physical breakdown of the Indy defense by the New England offense. The Pats offense had as much to do with Indy scoring 3 points as the Defense did because they did the same thing that made the Pitt defense rank so high. Control the clock.
Alright...the reason the Colts lost is up for debate...but if what you say is true...then ok that\'s fine. The fact remains, in both my scenario and your own, New England\'s defense was NOT the main cause of Indy\'s fall.
New England\'s defense was tied with Philly for the #2 defense in points allowed but New England ALSO had the #4 offense in points scored. Thats a statistic that get overlooked all the time because the Pats don\'t have many superstars.
New England averaged about a field goal more than philly. They tied with Philly for points allowed. New England played the entire season...Philly had their starters benched for the final two weeks. Had they not...Philly would have more likely than not finished first in points allowed, and would have probably tied NE for points per game.
When you factor in the Pats #3 rushing offense against Philly\'s #16 rushing defense you see why the Pats are favored to win big.
Shockwaves said it...since Trotter\'s in there...the Eagles run D is COMPLETELY different.
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I just don\'t see the patriots putting up huge numbers on the eagles secondary. It will come down to kicker if the pats are going to win I say.
I remember how shocky and james were just killing the eagles secondary when the season started. 3 guys going to the pro bowl. Which you could argue for four.
They have the best secondary in the league.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I just don\'t see the patriots putting up huge numbers on the eagles secondary. It will come down to kicker if the pats are going to win I say.
I remember how shocky and james were just killing the eagles secondary when the season started. 3 guys going to the pro bowl. Which you could argue for four.
They have the best secondary in the league.
...and I just remembered why I hate the Eagles. Thanks for remimding me as to why I had so much hatred for the Eagles, Quddus. Sure feels good to have a REASON, again.
Go Patriots!
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I remember how shocky and james were just killing the eagles secondary when the season started. 3 guys going to the pro bowl. Which you could argue for four.
So what does that mean?
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All I know is this year\'s Superbowl is going to be a snooze fest. Will watch it, simply because I am off of work .
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Patriots will win big.
Does anyone know of any good betting sites? I\'m thinking of throwing down 50 bucks on the Pats -7.
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I\'m telling you right now, it\'s going to be a close game. Every Superbowl the Patriots play in, with the exceptions of XX(against the Bears) has been a good game. The last two they played were instant classics.
I stand my ground, 27-24 Patriots.
This will be one to remember.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
All I know is this year\'s Superbowl is going to be a snooze fest. Will watch it, simply because I am off of work .
Do you think the Colts will resign Edge? I have a feeling that the Dolphins are going to go after him hard.
Charles Woodson would be a good pick up in Indy.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
So what does that mean?
Means the eagles ended up having the best secondary in the NFL.
Obviously they were wrong again.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Means the eagles ended up having the best secondary in the NFL.
Obviously they were wrong again.
Heh. Riiight.
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Philadelphia was 12th in the NFL in passing defense. The best secondary in the NFL? Don\'t make me laugh. They ranked third in their division. They were also 15th in the NFL in interceptions. 19th in the NFL in completion percentage allowed. In fact, you allowed the 6th most completions of any NFL team. Pro Bowl selections mean nothing, your secondary is overrated.
You want the best secondary in the NFL, in my opinion? Buffalo. The NFL\'s most underrated D was 3rd in passing defense, 2nd in interceptions, and 1st in passer rating against, holding opposing QB\'s to a rating of 65. Now that\'s good. What, besides pro bowl selections, can you say to support your claim that the Eagles are the best secondary in the NFL? The stats CERTAINLY don\'t support it.
Who\'s wrong now?
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mega pwnage by Shockwaves
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
mega pwnage by Shockwaves
How so? The eagles secondary was great throughout the season. Ranked 3rd in fewest points allowed. And they didn\'t give up big plays. I think the last two weeks they have proven thus far they are the best secondary in the league.
What happen to buffalo\'s defense in pittsburg????????
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How so? The eagles secondary was great throughout the season. Ranked 3rd in fewest points allowed. And they didn\'t give up big plays. I think the last two weeks they have proven thus far they are the best secondary in the league.
What happen to buffalo\'s defense in pittsburg????????
Same thing that happened to Pittsburgh\'s defense in Pittsburgh.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How so? The eagles secondary was great throughout the season. Ranked 3rd in fewest points allowed. And they didn\'t give up big plays. I think the last two weeks they have proven thus far they are the best secondary in the league.
What happen to buffalo\'s defense in pittsburg????????
What happened to the Eagles defense against Pittsburgh? Don\'t make arguements that I can make right back at you.
Oh, and in that Buffalo game, they held the passing game to 12/25 for 120 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INT\'s. That\'s a pretty bad passing game. Also take into account that the Steelers scored one defensive TD, which you can\'t put on the defense at all.
By comparison, the Steelers put up 183 passing yards on 11/18 passing with 2 TD\'s and an INT. Your secondary gave up 2 TD\'s. The total D gave up 3. The Steelers gave up 1.
As for the 3rd fewest points allowed, that is not a measure of their secondary, it\'s a measure of their total defense. The backs are only 1/3 of that. Plus, take into account that the offense and special teams can give away points too.
The rankings that have to do with passing have the Eagles out of the top 10 in virtually every category.
And this when you take into account that the Eagles have one of the best pass rushes in the NFL (2nd in sacks). That takes a lot of pressure off the secondary. If the pass rush wasn\'t there, or if it was even average, them how low would those rankings be?
And how does your post season play show that you\'re the best? You gave up 316 yards to the Vikings, and 136 to the Falcolns. Since when is an average of over 220 yards per game reason to be best in the NFL, especially when one of those games was against a team that is known to not like to air it out?
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Do you really wanna argue that the eagles don\'t have good corners?? I mean pro bowl selections do mean something. It\'s based on individual performance.
And what defense is going to the superbowl?
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You said the best. They aren\'t. I say they\'re not the best, not even great, but average. So yes, I will argue that they are average and not great. The numbers ALL back it up.
And once again, there is more to a defense than the secondary, and there is more to a team than just the defense. You can\'t put the entire super bowl trip on the secondary.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You said the best. They aren\'t. I say they\'re not the best, not even great, but average. So yes, I will argue that they are average and not great. The numbers ALL back it up.
Maybe you just don\'t like the eagles. I mean you gotta give their secondary credit were credit is due. Their starting corners and safties are all pro bowlers and you say that accounts for nothing?
And once again, there is more to a defense than the secondary, and there is more to a team than just the defense. You can\'t put the entire super bowl trip on the secondary. [/B]
Thanks but I already know what a team and a defense is. Again thanks anyway. Second I wasn\'t trying to put the entire superbowl trip on the secondary. I just got little ahead of myself because the eagles have a great secondary. And everyone said their secondary would suffer because they lost their two starting corners. Now too see what they accomplished and how lito and brown stepped up their game this season was great.
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...that post made as little to no sense as possible. I\'ll let him clean up most of that muck, but I would like to point out that he\'s been rooting for the Eagles for the entire playoffs, he just doesn\'t have his head so far up his ass to realize that the Eagles aren\'t the defensive secondary juggernaut that you\'re saying they are.
Oh, and the Pro Bowl doesn\'t exactly mean that much -- Ahman Green made the Pro Bowl this year for christs sake, and he probably wasn\'t even in the Top 6 as far as NFC backs go this year.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
...that post made as little to no sense as possible. I\'ll let him clean up most of that muck, but I would like to point out that he\'s been rooting for the Eagles for the entire playoffs, he just doesn\'t have his head so far up his ass to realize that the Eagles aren\'t the defensive secondary juggernaut that you\'re saying they are.
Oh, and the Pro Bowl doesn\'t exactly mean that much -- Ahman Green made the Pro Bowl this year for christs sake, and he probably wasn\'t even in the Top 6 as far as NFC backs go this year.
See Yuz.
You know what you and shocky are right. I mean the eagles suck their secondary is shitty. I mean I have no idea why I even like the team. Just like everyone said before the season started. The eagles secondary would suck and they were right.
You and shocky were right just like your always right. I\'ll just shove my opinion right back up my ass.
See Yuz
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*yawn* I love self pity as much as the next guy, but that was just sad. Not once did I claim that their secondary was "shit", or that you had no reason to like them. Hell, I even mentioned in the post that even though your disdain for Shocky is evident, he\'s been rooting for your team ever since they made the playoffs, if not earlier.
And yes, we\'re always right when we\'re arguing against you...it\'s just so easy ;)
See Yuz.
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Yeah, Quddus, you write as if I have something against the Eagles, but I have rooted for them in every single playoff game they\'ve had, and will be rooting for them big time in the Super Bowl. And I didn\'t say their secondary sucks, cause that is far from the case. However, I also think that they aren\'t the best either. They\'re average, but the pass rush makes them look good. Simple as that.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Yeah, Quddus, you write as if I have something against the Eagles, but I have rooted for them in every single playoff game they\'ve had, and will be rooting for them big time in the Super Bowl. And I didn\'t say their secondary sucks, cause that is far from the case. However, I also think that they aren\'t the best either. They\'re average, but the pass rush makes them look good. Simple as that.
ok then thats cool I jumped the gun a little. James kinda got under my skin with his post.
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:) awesome. Go Eagles :p
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Real bowling is more exciting. Calling yours super doesn\'t make it any better.