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Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 01:29:06 PM
This is the one I really want and I will prolly get it this week. Any Opinions?

CLICK HERE (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?CategoryID=pcmcat31800050029&id=1055388007232&skuId=5606962&type=product&ref=10&loc=01)
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 09, 2004, 01:36:39 PM
Isn\'t Sony coming out with a new WEGA line in the coming weeks?  If so, definitely don\'t buy.  You will either get one cheaper or get a new model for the same price.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Coredweller on September 09, 2004, 01:51:03 PM
Link doesn\'t work.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 09, 2004, 01:54:16 PM
worked for me.  Dats how I knew he was looking at a WEGA.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 09, 2004, 03:03:32 PM
Is it going in a basement where you have total light control or in a room with a lot of windows?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 03:11:56 PM
windows
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 03:13:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by videoholic
Isn\'t Sony coming out with a new WEGA line in the coming weeks?  If so, definitely don\'t buy.  You will either get one cheaper or get a new model for the same price.



I figured there must have been a new line coming out and thats why its on clearence...  Honestly I know nothing about TV\'s or wega or anything I was at the store and this tv looked spectacular so now Im on asking my more knowledgable friends if its a good buy or not...
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 09, 2004, 04:04:06 PM
What price do you have?  Best buy is running 10% off this weekend too.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Coredweller on September 09, 2004, 04:06:16 PM
Honestly, I would not buy a Sony television after the experiences others have had with them.  My own parents seem to buy Sonys repetitively, but every one of them develops some fatal malfunction eventually.  When the television is that big, it makes it hard to take it in for service.

I have a Toshiba 65" rear projection, and I have had ZERO problems with it in the last 3 years.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 09, 2004, 04:09:24 PM
You don\'t need to take it in.  THey come to you.  I had a sony that lasted 11 years.  Not a single problem.  I have a front projection Sony that has a ton of hours on it as well.  

What\'s the price?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 04:13:45 PM
2999
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Living-In-Clip on September 09, 2004, 05:23:58 PM
Never had anything but problems out of Sony TV\'s  - but that\'s my experenice, take it for what it\'s worth.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 09, 2004, 05:32:53 PM
I\'ll get a quote for you tomorrow from my guy in Chicago.  He is EXTREMELY cheap, but at leas tyou know what they are worth.  THen you can try and get them to price match.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 09, 2004, 07:28:55 PM
Viddy brings up a good point.  See if there\'s a home theater specialty shop in your area  They are almost always willing to deal, or at least sell below retail.  This works extremely well if you say so and so referred me to you guys and said you could give me a good price.  That\'s how I knocked 15% off my TV.

Arizona has a whole lot of those shops from all the ads I see.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 08:37:42 PM
Allright now all of a sudden my wife is all weird about shelling out the 3 grand is there a 1500 to 2000 set that anyone would recomend?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 09, 2004, 09:19:57 PM
bahahahaha

pwn3d by WAF (http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2004/06/28/waf_wife_acceptance_factor/)
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 09:31:10 PM
Not exactly owned If I wanted the 3000 grand set I could buy it... Just skip sex for a couple of week no problemo... But If I want to keep peice I was curiose about the lower models
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on September 09, 2004, 09:33:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Cyrus
Not exactly owned If I wanted the 3000 grand set I could buy it... Just skip sex for a couple of week no problemo... But If I want to keep peice I was curiose about the lower models


Man..

That\'s precisely what WAF is talking about.

You\'re whipped and you know it.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 09, 2004, 09:43:09 PM
whatever I still might buy it back on topic bitches I need some help here.....
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 09, 2004, 10:18:29 PM
Look at the Panasonic and Toshiba RPTVs, they look nice.

Panasonic PT-53X54 (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-53--HDTV-Monitor--PT-53X54-/sem/rpsm/oid/93816/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)
Toshiba 51H84 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1076628923673&skuId=6356748&productCategoryId=pcmcat31800050029&type=product)

They actually have better color rendition and are brighter than the LCD sets but they suffer from burn in.  Not as bad as you think though.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 10, 2004, 04:58:46 AM
Don\'t skimp on a set.  The set is goign to be a 10-15 year investment.  You buy a piece that you aren\'t happy with you will be regretting it.  I love my set and honestly over a year later I can still say I would buy this set today if I had the choice of today\'s tv\'s.  The price point on my set is still above what I paid for it a year later.  You have to do your research and then be happy.



BUT!!!!  By all freaking means!!!!

If you buy an HD set, you MUST buy an HD receiver immediately.

You try and justify a 3000 set with the SD programming and your wife will rail you.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Paul2 on September 10, 2004, 05:38:12 AM
i prefer the traditionally CRT tube.

If you can, go with RPTV CRT such as the Toshiba  51" posted above...

or better model with built in hd tuner, cable card slot, hdmi, firewires...
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 10, 2004, 06:11:32 AM
CRTs will not even exist in a couple years.  They are goners.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 10, 2004, 11:00:54 AM
THanks I think it will be betweeb the Toshiba THX posted and the Mitsu 55"
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 10, 2004, 12:24:57 PM
CRTs will be around until digital displays can produce nice inky blacks.  CRTs are also the only displays which can resolve 1080p under $8k at the moment.  You want digital at that res you gotta drop $25k. :\\  Intel\'s hyped up inexpensive LCOS chips are all but vaporware at this point.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: clips on September 10, 2004, 12:36:07 PM
i don\'t think i can help you here cy,..but uhm..invite me over when you cop it so we check out the football games..i\'ll bring the beer! :D   :beer:
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 10, 2004, 03:27:21 PM
CRTs  are huge, heavy, and not so classy.

YEs, they have better blacks, but I thought Barbershop sizucked.



Actually I like the pictures from a CRT, I just wouldn\'t buy one.  THere field of view is extremely narrow and they are just so darn big.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Paul2 on September 10, 2004, 05:40:21 PM
CRT are bulky,

but pros outweight th cons in my opinion.  Its just depends what some consumers sees important.

To me, the #1 most important factors when buying a displays are:

- Picture quality.

And CRT is still the king for picture quality.  Plus, its much cheaper than other format too!

So that\'s the two main reasons why I like CRT, great black level, picture quality, and the cheapest compares to other formats.

Other formats are catching up too...
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 10, 2004, 06:30:08 PM
CRTs you absolutely have to get an ISF tech to do it up in order for it to look good.  COnvergence has to be screwed with every year or so.

I will have a CRT in my home theater though unless I fall into a pit of money and I can afford to get a DLP projector.



Oh yeah, another bad thing about CRTs..

BURN IN!!!!!

Good luck playing video games.

Hope you enjoy stretching 4x3 material.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 11, 2004, 02:19:27 PM
Well I did it I bought a 55 inch Mitsubishi called cox and they are sending me there hdtv box and next month they tell me they are putting out an hdtv dvr box wich I can upgrade to for free so that will be sweet. The set should be here monday hopefully in the morning for Monday night football!!!
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: clips on September 11, 2004, 02:30:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Cyrus
Well I did it I bought a 55 inch Mitsubishi called cox and they are sending me there hdtv box and next month they tell me they are putting out an hdtv dvr box wich I can upgrade to for free so that will be sweet. The set should be here monday hopefully in the morning for Monday night football!!!


congrats! :)
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on September 12, 2004, 07:15:35 AM
does anyone know the name of the new line of Sony TV\'s?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 12, 2004, 08:53:03 AM
It\'s just a 4th generation WEGA.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 14, 2004, 05:50:51 AM
Well I will have to tell you I hooked up the HDTV converter and the TV last night and turned on the game in HD and let me tell you a tear came to my eye its the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I\'m not sure I can watch anything but the 8 hd channels I get damn it. Also on reg tv I get the "grewy" lines on the side is that bad for a long period of time?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 14, 2004, 08:06:55 AM
Gray lines are a must because you have a CRT.  Gray is equal amounts of all three CRTs.  That way you don\'t have a burn in when watching 4x3 material.

You have to either stretch the material to fill the screen, enjoy the gray bars, or get a DLP or LCD.

Here is a convenient list of what\'s available in HD.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dstarlin/hdtv/fall04.htm
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 14, 2004, 09:29:29 AM
I can do the grey lines... So grey = No burn in and Black would be bad right?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 14, 2004, 10:05:29 AM
black is bad.  It means you aren\'t burning anything on that part of the CRT.  In time that part of the CRT will be brighter and more vibrant.  It won\'t age the same as the rest of your image.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 14, 2004, 01:06:14 PM
Nice writeup, what HD receiver and antenna did you go for?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 14, 2004, 01:35:11 PM
I went with the HD Receiver from Cox so no antenna required as of tomorrow they will be offereing an HD DVR receiver so in  a week or two I will trade up for that one for free :)
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 14, 2004, 07:08:57 PM
What channels do they offer?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Living-In-Clip on September 14, 2004, 11:29:28 PM
I would love to invest in the money for an HD receiver and the HD channels , but there just isn\'t enough programming to warrant it yet.
:(
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 14, 2004, 11:38:06 PM
I sorta know how you feel.  Though we have the programming, my cable provider doesn\'t do HD in my county yet (Comcast generally sucks around these parts).  I did buy an HD receiver and antennaweb.org said I only needed a small indoor antenna but it didn\'t work.  I didn\'t factor in the high trees in my area and I can\'t put a huge ass antenna on my roof (home owner\'s association crap) so the picture was highly unstable.  Ended up returning it and I\'m stuck with NTSC until I get the magic email from cumcast telling me the service is available.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 15, 2004, 03:37:35 AM
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I would love to invest in the money for an HD receiver and the HD channels , but there just isn\'t enough programming to warrant it yet.
:(


You must be one of those people who are too good to watch Network TV, Bravo, TNT, Discovery, HDNet, etc. etc.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dstarlin/hdtv/fall04.htm

There is more now in HD than not in HD.  Plus if you tack on sports there is just no reason to say that any more.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Living-In-Clip on September 15, 2004, 04:01:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by videoholic
You must be one of those people who are too good to watch Network TV, Bravo, TNT, Discovery, HDNet, etc. etc.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dstarlin/hdtv/fall04.htm

There is more now in HD than not in HD.  Plus if you tack on sports there is just no reason to say that any more.

 
You must be a complete jackass.
:)

I have nothing against Network TV (tho\' I hate TNT), I love Discovery Channel and the only sport I watch is football. It just seems the price you pay for a receiver is almost to much. I really want one tho\', I just have a problem paying that price for one.
Oh and my ReplayTV doesn\'t record HD it downconverts.
:(
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 15, 2004, 04:46:04 AM
How am I a complete jackass?  Virtually all TV shows on Network TV are in HD now except for Reality shows and news shows.  Of course you don\'t like reality shows so that\'s not an issue.

Just about all football games are in HD.  CBS is now the crappy network in HD for football at only one game a week.

BUt there are over 125 games this year in HD.  

I just can\'t comprehend why anyone would waste the money for a widescreen tv and not get HD.  Nothing looks worse than SD material stretched.

Most cable networks now carry HD or if you go D* you can get a receiver for 100 bucks.

You just made a comment that I was replying to concerning lack of programming.  I simply stated that the comment was completely false and that most prime time programming is in HD now.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 15, 2004, 07:09:35 AM
I pay 10 bucks a month for my HD Reciver from Cox it includes the HD "Stations" as far as I can tell There are about 6 stations EspnHD.. The NEtwork Stations.... DiscoveryHD and an HBO and something not alot to choose from. I cant get HD from a regular station right I mean it has to be from a special "HD" station like the EspnH station or am I wrong. Also satelite has tone more doesnt it.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 15, 2004, 07:14:17 AM
Here is the Link to what Cox offers for HD:

http://www.cox.com/OC/HDTV/programming.asp (http://www.cox.com/OC/HDTV/programming.asp)
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 15, 2004, 07:25:41 AM
Looks like what IM missing from the satelite people is The hdnet and hdmovies and TNTHD   and the cox through some other crap called INHD wich I thought was pay per veiw so I didnt even turn the channel there but now it doesnt sound like it so Im gonna check it out tonight.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 15, 2004, 07:26:59 AM
I get Showtime, HBO, ESPN, Discovery, Bravo, HDNet, HDNet movies, FOX, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, UPN, and WB.  I think that covers it.  Direct TV bill is 60 some odd bucks a month.  I paid 40 bucks lst month because I had some credit.  I only have two receivers though.  Both are TiVos.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Cyrus on September 15, 2004, 07:45:33 AM
WTF I went onto the Direct Tv Website to see what they had to offer I saw nothing of Bravo UPN or WB?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Paul2 on September 15, 2004, 08:51:42 AM
WB?

what is that?

As in what bitch?  or whatever bastard?

j/k.:D
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 15, 2004, 08:57:59 AM
ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, UPN, WB are all OTA.

Although depending on if you live in a city that is an O&O, Direct TV now offers CBS and will very very soon have FOX and NBC.

Bravo has been on Direct TV for several weeks now.  Since the beginning of the US Open Tennis.

Cable companies will never come close to the content that satellite providers can put out.  Direct TV is going to be launching 4 new satellites next year.  All for HD.  That is very intriguing.

Sorry, I\'m on a 2 hour conference call right now so hopefully I make sense.  My head is pounding.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 15, 2004, 01:47:23 PM
video have you looked at http://www.voom.com ?  I\'ve heard both good and bad things about it when people compared it to DirecTV.  And is TCM available in HD?
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 15, 2004, 02:02:16 PM
voom has more channels, but they are just a bunch of crappy channels.  Everything that Voom has that is a real channel Direct TV has as well.  Plus Direct TV is adding 1700 channels in the next two years.  That\'s huge.

Plus you can\'t record Voom.  I Can record two HD channels while watching something else.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: QuDDus on September 15, 2004, 09:14:11 PM
Direct tv sucks got it had it switched back to comcast. Maybe it\'s because I have had cable all mylife. Direct TV just made things to complicated.

And having to pay for locals was rather stupid. Who knows maybe in a year or two when it gets better I may take a look at it again.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 16, 2004, 03:55:06 AM
You do realize that you pay for locals with cable too right?  Direct TV just gives you the option to not pay for locals.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Coredweller on September 16, 2004, 09:49:42 AM
You don\'t have to pay for local channels if you don\'t want to.  Just get a VHF antenna and plug it into your satellite receiver.  Run the setup program, and presto.  Free local channels.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 16, 2004, 11:58:41 AM
Damn skippy.  That\'s how I be gots me locals.

Kind of odd to once again have a roof top antenna.  I remember having one when I was a kid.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: Living-In-Clip on September 17, 2004, 03:56:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by videoholic
voom has more channels, but they are just a bunch of crappy channels.  Everything that Voom has that is a real channel Direct TV has as well.  Plus Direct TV is adding 1700 channels in the next two years.  That\'s huge.

Plus you can\'t record Voom.  I Can record two HD channels while watching something else.


ReplayTV does record VOOM.
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: videoholic on September 17, 2004, 05:51:54 AM
Well replay tv can record anything.  But not in HD.  Doh...
Title: Getting a new tv - please help
Post by: THX on September 17, 2004, 02:09:24 PM
As long as the HD receiver has an active firewire port you can record the transport stream to your computer.  buncha nerds imo