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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GigaShadow on September 10, 2004, 07:03:43 AM
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This man has serious issues and people still want to vote for him? Amazing. I think this video clearly points out Kerry\'s stand or lack there of on issues. Its about 12 minutes long and is very informative. No Michael Moore crap... this is Kerry in his own words.
CLICK HERE (http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/RNC082304.wmv)
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I was enjoying it and then it peetered out on me after about 1:50... I can\'t right click save as either. Only saves a tiny file.
I\'ll try it again from my PC at home.
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it\'s also from a republican organization..:rolleyes:..anyway it was a good look at how kerry changed his view..i said it all along that kerry isn\'t the stronger leader here..he rides the waves of the moment...i don\'t care too much for bush either, but i respect him for stickin to his guns...
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Yes, its from the RNC site, but like I said its Kerry\'s own words which he can\'t dispute. I personally liked the are you the anti war candidate part. ;)
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Obviously this is RNC, but the huge point to all of this is that there are no freaky cuts making him say what they want. THese are straight up quotes that are rather lengthy.
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I guess that depends on what you call a lengthy cut. Im sure his statements later on really didnt clear up anything he said im just stating something that could question the editing. This is some news. Sadly enough. Like any person, or at least democrat, it would be nice to ask him straight out why he thinks that hes not flip flopping.
Thats one thing. They cut him off right as he stated "that is no flip flopping" (towards the end). Thats the kind of editing i was referring to. Like i said i cant say that he cleared anything up after the cut and im not pretending that he did. Im just curious as to what his follow up would have been. To me, that is a critical point. Perhaps he didnt explain it but if he did it would have been important to add.
"Why is it not flip flopping?" Thats what i want to hear him answer. Plain and simple. Nice find though.
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Nicon, if he had explained it, I think we all would have heard about it. It is sad that he really doesn\'t have a solid opinion about issues.
It also points out the pandering he is doing for the far left of the DNC. Pathetic.
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Remember during the RNC when Pataki said in his speech that Kerry has to Google himself to see where he stands? Seems true too.
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The thing I like about it is that they show the questions. Mike moore took quotes way out of context.
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Kerry is not my strong favorite. But god I cannot go through another bush administration. So I have no choice but to vote for kerry. I\'d pick just about anyone over GWB.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Kerry is not my strong favorite. But god I cannot go through another bush administration. So I have no choice but to vote for kerry. I\'d pick just about anyone over GWB.
Guess you never heard of Ralph Nader, huh?
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Originally posted by Titan
Guess you never heard of Ralph Nader, huh?
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Kerry is not my strong favorite. But god I cannot go through another bush administration. So I have no choice but to vote for kerry. I\'d pick just about anyone over GWB.
I can\'t figure out what Bush did in this administration that would lead you to say this.
You can honestly say that you trust Kerry to protect you through these times of terrorism?
He is running on health care, economy, and his war record from over 30 years ago.
The economy suffered huge from 9/11 and if you really think that any other president would have the economy any better right now your nucking futs.
I\'ve had my stocks double twice in the past 18 months. I don\'t have a problem with that at all.
Health care? Well name a president who hasn\'t said he\'s going to fix health care and never did shit. He\'s just trying to get the old fart vote.
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Bush is an ass and Kerry\'s a flake.
Seriously,
Bush vs. Kerry - Whoever Wins. We Lose.
I\'m voting for Kerry just because he\'s not Bush.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Whoever Wins. We Lose.
Word.
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Was Bush Vs Gore any different?
Clinton vs. Dole?
Clinton vs Bush?
Bush vs Dukakis?
etc.
etc.
etc.
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Nope, we\'re always going to be stuck with someone who thinks they know what they\'re doing.
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So vote for Bush. If neither knows what they\'re doing and that\'s what you\'re going on, just leave the incumbant in \'dere.
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At least we have someone in there that you know will do what he can to curb terrorism.
Although how could you not vote for someone with so much support.
http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/
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Originally posted by Blade
So vote for Bush. If neither knows what they\'re doing and that\'s what you\'re going on, just leave the incumbant in \'dere.
I can\'t vote for someone that I have zero respect for. I don\'t keep up with this political garbage but from what I have seen I\'d feel dirty if I voted for Bush. So, my choice is to either vote for Kerry or don\'t vote at all.
April 13: "Can you ever win the war on terror? Of course you can."
July 19: "I have a clear vision and a strategy to win the war on terror"
August 30: "I don\'t think you can win it." source: NYT, Aug. 31, 04
- George Bush
Kerry isn\'t the only one changing his story. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=7&u=/ap/20040913/ap_on_el_pr/flipping_and_flopping)
One Thousand Reasons (http://www.thousandreasons.org/)
I know even less about Kerry just so you know...
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Originally posted by Ginko
I know even less about Kerry just so you know...
That is obvious. :rolleyes:
Kerry\'s flip flopping is just that - while an administration may have changes in policy that may look like a "flip flop". Changes in global and domestic events may be reasons for any given adminstrations change in policy.
Speaking of zero respect - how could one respect a man that upon returning from Vietnam accused his fellow servicemen of war attrocities in order to boost his chances for advancing in politics? He is the king of pandering to whatever group will get him votes. :rolleyes:
Also, being best buddies with Ted Kennedy doesn\'t help - being members of the most corrupt family in politics.
Going back to vids question - what has Bush and his administration done to make you hate them so much? Maybe you have been brainwashed by Dan Rather, Michael Moore and company? If you say Iraq - that is a weak excuse in that every major intelligence agency confirmed he had WMD\'s and if you were a sitting President just after 9/11 would you have been willing to take that chance? In all honesty I doubt it. Just imagine if Gore had been in office...
Skerry Kerry has a history of being indecisive and in this day and age we don\'t have the luxury of having a weak leader who will one day support one thing and do a complete 180 the next.
On another more superficial note his wife is even scarier than Hillary Clinton IMO. She makes Laura Bush look like a saint in comparison. I certainly wouldn\'t want that loadmouth, ugly troll being our first lady.
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Speaking of zero respect - how could one respect a man that upon returning from Vietnam accused his fellow servicemen of war attrocities in order to boost his chances for advancing in politics? He is the king of pandering to whatever group will get him votes.
Like I said, I don\'t know anything about Kerry and I don\'t keep up with this stuff. I wish I didn\'t know anything about Bush but given his stance on several issues he\'s hard to ignore and, in my case, favor.
Ignorance is bliss...
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I haven\'t had a good debate in a while.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Kerry\'s flip flopping is just that - while an administration may have changes in policy that may look like a "flip flop". Changes in global and domestic events may be reasons for any given adminstrations change in policy.
Why is one a flip-flop while another is a policy change? They are both reversals on a previous decision. If Kerry were in the oval office would they then NOT be flip-flops? Do you have to be president in order to change your position based on global and domestic events? Tell me because I have an opinion but I don\'t want to be labelled a flip flopper.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Speaking of zero respect - how could one respect a man that upon returning from Vietnam accused his fellow servicemen of war attrocities in order to boost his chances for advancing in politics? He is the king of pandering to whatever group will get him votes. :rolleyes:
As opposed to a person that not only didn\'t go to Vietnam but deserted his post in the TxANG? How about the person that tells his supporters that Jesus speaks through him and that he talks to God before making decisions? Yeah THAT is good to hear.
"Hey Mr. President how did you deal with the decision to invade Iraq?"
Bush: "Well.....I spent the morning talking to the sky and then feeling enstrongend I told my cabinet not to missunderestimate my resolve because you are either with us or you are against us."
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Also, being best buddies with Ted Kennedy doesn\'t help - being members of the most corrupt family in politics.
As opposed to being best buddies with the Saudi Royal Family? The leaders of the country where 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from and one of the largest supporters of terrorism worldwide?
Yeah, but some of the Kennedys have gotten away with crimes so I guess its all a wash.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Going back to vids question - what has Bush and his administration done to make you hate them so much? Maybe you have been brainwashed by Dan Rather, Michael Moore and company? If you say Iraq - that is a weak excuse in that every major intelligence agency confirmed he had WMD\'s and if you were a sitting President just after 9/11 would you have been willing to take that chance? In all honesty I doubt it. Just imagine if Gore had been in office...
What has Bush done to make you LOVE him so much? Our economy is worse. There have been no positive trends in social policy and we are no more safer than when we started. Bush and Cheney themselves have said that another terrorist attack is imminent. So what have they done?
You and other neocons harp on the fact that Bush is a strong leader who will fight the war on terrorism(A war that Bush himself admits is unwinnable) and yet three years after 9/11 all we have to show for this war is a non-threat dictator in jail, the patriot act, and 1000+ dead US soldiers. REAL Victory.
All of this while North Korea taunts us with their emerging Nuclear Program, China steals our technology, Syria continues to harbor and support terrorists and Iran rolls their eyes at our threats. Yup Bush is a hero.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Skerry Kerry has a history of being indecisive and in this day and age we don\'t have the luxury of having a weak leader who will one day support one thing and do a complete 180 the next.
Unless he is actually president, then it will be a policy change based on global and domestic events.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
On another more superficial note his wife is even scarier than Hillary Clinton IMO. She makes Laura Bush look like a saint in comparison. I certainly wouldn\'t want that loadmouth, ugly troll being our first lady.
Thats right women should be seen but NEVER heard. Just like Laura.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
I haven\'t had a good debate in a while.
Why is one a flip-flop while another is a policy change? They are both reversals on a previous decision. If Kerry were in the oval office would they then NOT be flip-flops? Do you have to be president in order to change your position based on global and domestic events? Tell me because I have an opinion but I don\'t want to be labelled a flip flopper.
Does your opinion matter BS? Does mine? Does a Senator\'s? No, but the President\'s sure as hell does.
How many "career" Senators change their stance on issues not once, but multiple times depending on which way the wind of popularity is blowing? The main difference between a Senator and a President is that one has to make decisions that will effect an entire nation - the other can wear whatever stance is popular that day without it making any difference what so ever. Kerry has demonstrated that he can\'t be decisive about any one issue. Look at the interviews and news footage when he is asked a direct question - he stumbles, studders and answers the question with either a question or skips the answer entirely. How many politicians - let alone world leaders contradict themselves in one sentence?
"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" - John Kerry
Originally posted by Black Samurai
As opposed to a person that not only didn\'t go to Vietnam but deserted his post in the TxANG? How about the person that tells his supporters that Jesus speaks through him and that he talks to God before making decisions? Yeah THAT is good to hear.
So you think those memos are true! :laughing: You and Dan Rather should both put on your tin foil helmets and prepare for the mothership to arrive. Seriously, there is no credibility your accusation. GWB was honorably discharged from the National Guard. End of story.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
"Hey Mr. President how did you deal with the decision to invade Iraq?"
Bush: "Well.....I spent the morning talking to the sky and then feeling enstrongend I told my cabinet not to missunderestimate my resolve because you are either with us or you are against us."
Where did you dig this one up from the Democratic Underground? Even though I am not religious - how can you blame a man for having faith?
Originally posted by Black Samurai
As opposed to being best buddies with the Saudi Royal Family? The leaders of the country where 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from and one of the largest supporters of terrorism worldwide?
Yeah, but some of the Kennedys have gotten away with crimes so I guess its all a wash.
More Michael Moore BS - granted the hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia hardly makes Bush corrupt and there is no link between the Bush family and the Saudi Royal Family - unless of course you believe what that pig Michael Moore says.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
What has Bush done to make you LOVE him so much? Our economy is worse. There have been no positive trends in social policy and we are no more safer than when we started. Bush and Cheney themselves have said that another terrorist attack is imminent. So what have they done?
Is our economy worse? Prove it. Take figures from the end of Clinton\'s last term and you will see they are actually better. Also, in Bush\'s defense 9/11 did have a tremendous negative economic impact on our country - something you liberals tend to forget.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
You and other neocons harp on the fact that Bush is a strong leader who will fight the war on terrorism(A war that Bush himself admits is unwinnable) and yet three years after 9/11 all we have to show for this war is a non-threat dictator in jail, the patriot act, and 1000+ dead US soldiers. REAL Victory.
Another quote taken out of context - let me break this down for you BS. He meant there will be no formal surrender - no formal declaration of victory like there are in conventional wars. Maybe he didn\'t use the right terminology, but I have heard much worse gaffs from SKerry.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
All of this while North Korea taunts us with their emerging Nuclear Program, China steals our technology, Syria continues to harbor and support terrorists and Iran rolls their eyes at our threats. Yup Bush is a hero.
And what you propose doing BS? Invade? Economic boycotts? :laughing: yeah they work. Diplomacy? The UN is worthless and France (God only knows why they were considered a major power at the end of WW2 and received a veto power) will never use force to enforce any resolution or decision made by NATO. Yet Kerry would still have you believe that we can gain more allies through a more "sensitive" war on terror. Typical liberal - cries about Iraq - yet demands something be done about Iran and North Korea.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
Thats right women should be seen but NEVER heard. Just like Laura.
Laura has class and social etiquette - something Terezzza deeply lacks. She is an embarassment.
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More great John Kerry quotes: Go ahead vote for him... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
"While talking about the economy, health-care policy, Kerry went off speech and began stumbling immediately. Kerry said that he would always tell the public the truth, and if the audience didn\'t believe him, they could "[g]o to a web site. It can be johnkerry.com or go some other place. Go to truth.com, if there is one, and find out what\'s really happening," Kerry said.
Truth.com won\'t set you free, but at least you\'ll be able to see a bit more clearly. Truth.com is operated by Truth Hardware, makers of a complete line of locks, window hinges and remote-controlled power window systems."
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7099
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Im glad you stick to your guns my friend but i wouldnt be ":laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: "-ing if i were you. That is unless you are 100% positive that Bush will win. And if THAT were the case then all of this wouldnt even be worth debating. Of course its all for entertainment anyway.
And its funny how you, on a semi regular bassis, like to throw around the word "liberal." Im sure you dont need any reassurance of where you stand and where others do. And im sure that nobody else does. Didnt your mother ever tell you that name calling isnt nice ;). Very mature. Im sure you cant think EVERY "liberal" is off their rocker. I know there are a lot of stupid people in this country but thats bold.
Dont take this the wrong way, but it too often seems that you find all of this 10x more amusing than the next guy. Not that there is really anything wrong with that.
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Hmmm since when was liberal a bad word - unless of course you think it is bad to be liberal? If you didn\'t notice I was called a "neocon" by BS - the often over used leftwing buzzword of the moment. :rolleyes: So, one label deserves another.
You also forget Nicon - I love politics - that is what my undergraduate was in - Political Theory. I hope you understand why I find this so amusing, in that some would clearly pick an inferior person to lead this country out of misplaced hatred toward GWB. You also tend to forget I don\'t agree with the Republicans on every issue on their platform. I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats who seem to be trying to make every single interest group happy to the point that their message has become incoherent.
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Wow... Kerry gets owned in that video.
He should just man up and say that he regretted his decision. Oh wait, that would have cost him the democratic nomination. What a caterer.
Like I said, +1 Bush.
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The whole negative campaigning against Kerry is getting so old. The fact is, half of his votes are gonna come from people who don\'t like him, but would just vote for anyone before Bush.
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My post was obviously in jest, but like many of you I am very disappointed in the "AS LONG AS ITS NOT TEH BUSH" voters. Actually, as pro-Bush as I am, I don\'t think anybody should vote for any candidate if they don\'t know what they\'re voting for.. including Bush.
Voting for Bush just because he\'s not Kerry would be dumb. On the other hand, nobody should feel "dirty" voting for anybody that they agree with. Both sides of the media have painted stereotypes on our candidates and I think it\'s really disgusting when I hear somebody bashing Kerry because he\'s too stiff, or because his daughters are ugly, or because he windsurfs.
If you\'re going to bash him, bash him for being a flip-flopping left-leaning scumbag! Sheesh! :)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Hmmm since when was liberal a bad word - unless of course you think it is bad to be liberal? If you didn\'t notice I was called a "neocon" by BS - the often over used leftwing buzzword of the moment. :rolleyes: So, one label deserves another.
Ah i missed that. Well in that case i suppose you are somewhat justified :p. And it is and isnt a bad word. Its the same thing a "prude." Some people consider being prudent a good thing whereas some dont. In a certain context it would seem that liberal is a bad term, and in this case its just strengthened by your semi common use of it (generally in a not so positive or neutral manner). Its either that, or im just not fresh on remembering.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
You also forget Nicon - I love politics - that is what my undergraduate was in - Political Theory. I hope you understand why I find this so amusing, in that some would clearly pick an inferior person to lead this country out of misplaced hatred toward GWB. You also tend to forget I don\'t agree with the Republicans on every issue on their platform. I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats who seem to be trying to make every single interest group happy to the point that their message has become incoherent.
This i do know. Its quite obvious that you have a passion for politics. Im sure anybody would agree. I was just saying that despite your amusement, Bush isnt 100% guaranteed a second term. Of course if you think that then i guess im all for you finding w/e it is you find funny, funny. And i know you dont just swing off the Rep\'s nuts but its obvious that since you are one (not that its really a bad thing), you do share many common views. And just to point one last thing out - I know its worn out but generalizations such as "I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats" that made me go on the whole liberal tangent. I know you arent a complete ass. I was just pointing out the fact :p
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
I know its worn out but generalizations such as "I just happen to think the Republicans have solid issues unlike the Democrats" that made me go on the whole liberal tangent. I know you arent a complete ass. I was just pointing out the fact :p
Actually in this election the Democrats don\'t have any solid issues or plans. In past elections - such as when Clinton ran he had a plan. Kerry on the other hand lacks any kind of plan because he is too busy trying to appease all the different factions within the DNC. This the precise reason I really liked the RNC in NY. Things I don\'t agree with the Republicans on - abortion and religion - where not talked about much - only hinted at. They focused on terrorism and I for one think that is the number one priority for this country. A lot will disagree with me and say that economy should be the number one issue. I would agree if I thought the economy were in worse shape than it was say 5 years ago. The truth is it isn\'t.
The only thing that could throw our recovery off track is another terrorist attack on US soil. So you see the economy and terrorism are related to each other in that keeping this country safe, which I think Kerry can not do adequately, is the top priority. Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which love to be focal points of liberal criticism have so far prevented another attack in our country. Do I believe we are safe just because Bush is in office? No. I believe we are safer with him in office as opposed to Kerry. I still am thankful GWB was in office during 9/11 and not Al Gore, speaking of whom, have you seen him lately? He looks like a madman!
Anyway here is a very interesting editorial regarding blacks and the GOP. Try and read it with an open mind Nicon - you might learn something. ;)
An excerpt: ...Bush received only 9% of the black vote in 2000, but his policies have done more for the black community than those of any other modern-era president...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-09-12-black-leaders_x.htm
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
How many "career" Senators change their stance on issues not once, but multiple times depending on which way the wind of popularity is blowing? The main difference between a Senator and a President is that one has to make decisions that will effect an entire nation - the other can wear whatever stance is popular that day without it making any difference what so ever. Kerry has demonstrated that he can\'t be decisive about any one issue. Look at the interviews and news footage when he is asked a direct question - he stumbles, studders and answers the question with either a question or skips the answer entirely. How many politicians - let alone world leaders contradict themselves in one sentence?
I just can\'t figure out why two people doing the EXACT same thing is considered bad on one part and good on another. It is MINDBOGGLING.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
So you think those memos are true! :laughing: You and Dan Rather should both put on your tin foil helmets and prepare for the mothership to arrive. Seriously, there is no credibility your accusation. GWB was honorably discharged from the National Guard. End of story.
Screw those memos. Well before the memos were released the FOI act showed us evaluation documents for Dubya that were blank and listed "Not Observed (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc4.gif)" Kerry recieved purple hearts and is considered a hero by his own shipmates and that is suspect; but bush is AWOL for a year in AL and he got an honorable discharge so everything is peachy. :rolleyes: The hypocrisy is disgusting.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
More Michael Moore BS - granted the hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia hardly makes Bush corrupt and there is no link between the Bush family and the Saudi Royal Family - unless of course you believe what that pig Michael Moore says.
NO LINK!!! Jesus H Christ. Its not like it is a secret that the Bush family and the Saudi Royal family have personal ties (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/04/23/us_saudi_ties_eyed_in_presidential_race/). This was a discussion point way back in 2002. Michael Moore didn\'t make that up.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Is our economy worse? Prove it. Take figures from the end of Clinton\'s last term and you will see they are actually better. Also, in Bush\'s defense 9/11 did have a tremendous negative economic impact on our country - something you liberals tend to forget.
So tell me. What exactly is better NOW than it was when Clinton left office? Don\'t tell me unemployment because millions of people have worn out their unemployment and/or are underemployed so those numbers are inaccurate.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Another quote taken out of context - let me break this down for you BS. He meant there will be no formal surrender - no formal declaration of victory like there are in conventional wars. Maybe he didn\'t use the right terminology, but I have heard much worse gaffs from SKerry.
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“I don’t think you can win” the war on terror. "But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.” - George W. Bush (NBC News)
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Yup... COMPLETELY out of context.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
And what you propose doing BS? Invade? Economic boycotts? :laughing: yeah they work. Diplomacy? The UN is worthless and France (God only knows why they were considered a major power at the end of WW2 and received a veto power) will never use force to enforce any resolution or decision made by NATO. Yet Kerry would still have you believe that we can gain more allies through a more "sensitive" war on terror. Typical liberal - cries about Iraq - yet demands something be done about Iran and North Korea.
While Bush would have you believe that we are safer by attacking non threats. That strategy is MUCH better. Bomb everyone because they hate our "FREEDOM". No they hate our middle eastern policies.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Hmmm since when was liberal a bad word - unless of course you think it is bad to be liberal? If you didn\'t notice I was called a "neocon" by BS - the often over used leftwing buzzword of the moment. :rolleyes: So, one label deserves another.
Neocon is a word created by conservatives. Its not a leftwing buzzword its a word your cronies made up.
Why can\'t you tell me why you love Dubya so much? I know why I dislike BUsh and I know why I dislike Kerry but I\'ll be damned if I can find a reason for people to be giving Bush such thorough ball washings on a daily basis. It seems like you wake up and take FoxNews\' morning talking points like gospel.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
I just can\'t figure out why two people doing the EXACT same thing is considered bad on one part and good on another. It is MINDBOGGLING.
Kerry changes his mind on a daily bases to pander to whichever part of the DNC he is talking to at the time. If you can\'t see it - you are blind.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
Screw those memos. Well before the memos were released the FOI act showed us evaluation documents for Dubya that were blank and listed "Not Observed (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc4.gif)" Kerry recieved purple hearts and is considered a hero by his own shipmates and that is suspect; but bush is AWOL for a year in AL and he got an honorable discharge so everything is peachy. :rolleyes: The hypocrisy is disgusting.
Not only are you blind - but dumb. The argument here isn\'t about Kerry\'s service - its about what he did after the war. Who is making this about Vietnam? Kerry is and it is backfiring in his face. There were POW\'s who were tortured to make the statements Kerry gave willingly to only further his fledgling political career. BTW where are Kerry\'s medals that he claims he threw away? Hanging in his office of course...
Originally posted by Black Samurai
NO LINK!!! Jesus H Christ. Its not like it is a secret that the Bush family and the Saudi Royal family have personal ties (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/04/23/us_saudi_ties_eyed_in_presidential_race/). This was a discussion point way back in 2002. Michael Moore didn\'t make that up.
Did you even read that article? GWB isn\'t nearly as friendly with the Saudi\'s as his father... and why was his father friendly with them... The relationship started and peaked right before and during the first Gulf War. If I were the Saudi\'s and had the entire Iraqi army at my doorstep I would be bending over for whomever was President of the US as well.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
So tell me. What exactly is better NOW than it was when Clinton left office? Don\'t tell me unemployment because millions of people have worn out their unemployment and/or are underemployed so those numbers are inaccurate.
Unemployment is the almost identical - provide links to show me where it worse... your stabs and rhetoric about underemployed and expired benefits are amusing.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
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“I don’t think you can win” the war on terror. "But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.” - George W. Bush (NBC News)
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Yup... COMPLETELY out of context.
I basically said what he said in that statement. What did I say?... Let\'s see... I said there will be no formal surrender so it won\'t be like a conventional war - that is what Bush is saying is it not? You can not declare a decisive victory because there is no capitol to take, there is no army on a battlefield to defeat and there is no general to offer his sword in defeat.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
While Bush would have you believe that we are safer by attacking non threats. That strategy is MUCH better. Bomb everyone because they hate our "FREEDOM". No they hate our middle eastern policies.
One question - have we been attacked on US soil again? Attacking non threats like what the Taliban and Iraq who sponsored terrorism? :rolleyes:
Islamic fundamentalists hate our lifestyle - aka freedom. Why are we the great Satan BS? Not soley because of our foreign policy. Speaking of which, if supporting Israel is what you are hinting at being the cause for terrorism you couldn\'t be more wrong.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
Neocon is a word created by conservatives. Its not a leftwing buzzword its a word your cronies made up.
I have never heard another conservative label themself as a "neocon".
Originally posted by Black Samurai
Why can\'t you tell me why you love Dubya so much? I know why I dislike BUsh and I know why I dislike Kerry but I\'ll be damned if I can find a reason for people to be giving Bush such thorough ball washings on a daily basis. It seems like you wake up and take FoxNews\' morning talking points like gospel.
This is a prime example of someone not reading every post in a thread: Look up above your last post.
" Actually in this election the Democrats don\'t have any solid issues or plans. In past elections - such as when Clinton ran he had a plan. Kerry on the other hand lacks any kind of plan because he is too busy trying to appease all the different factions within the DNC. This the precise reason I really liked the RNC in NY. Things I don\'t agree with the Republicans on - abortion and religion - where not talked about much - only hinted at. They focused on terrorism and I for one think that is the number one priority for this country. A lot will disagree with me and say that economy should be the number one issue. I would agree if I thought the economy were in worse shape than it was say 5 years ago. The truth is it isn\'t.
The only thing that could throw our recovery off track is another terrorist attack on US soil. So you see the economy and terrorism are related to each other in that keeping this country safe, which I think Kerry can not do adequately, is the top priority. Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which love to be focal points of liberal criticism have so far prevented another attack in our country. Do I believe we are safe just because Bush is in office? No. I believe we are safer with him in office as opposed to Kerry. I still am thankful GWB was in office during 9/11 and not Al Gore, speaking of whom, have you seen him lately? He looks like a madman!"
Lastly, you have yet to explain why Kerry is more qualified to be in office. "Because he isn\'t Bush" doesn\'t cut it.
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I\'ve passed that video on to a couple of boards and I\'ll tell not many bleeding hearts had the nerve to post anything.
I love that damn video! :)
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What exactly is our Foreign Policy/Middle Eastern Policy?
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After watching Fahrenheit 911 I don\'t see how anyone could see putting this man back in office. That movie expose him for exactly who he is. The fact is he should have not been in office in the first place. He jacked the elections to begin with. And I have lost any or all the respect I had for the United States for allowing that to even take place. Shames the nation when something like that can take place.
This man is recklessly waging war against the middle east. turning a budget surplus into a multi-billion dollar deficit. Worst job loss in last 70 years. I mean he is personally allowing more and more jobs to be sent overseas. Healthcare for the poor is none-existent now. If you didn\'t already have insurance and you need it now your shit out of luck But he continues to reward his rich supporters. He is stacking the federal courts with ultra-conservative judges. This guy and his croonies are making sure there will be no more middle class.
Search the net there is so much stuff about this guy and what he is doing it\'s rediculous. Like others have said we are in a loosing situation.
And Titan Ralph Nader couldn\'t be the president of my fantasy football league. Enough said.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
After watching Fahrenheit 911 I don\'t see how anyone could see putting this man back in office. That movie expose him for exactly who he is. The fact is he should have not been in office in the first place. He jacked the elections to begin with. And I have lost any or all the respect I had for the United States for allowing that to even take place. Shames the nation when something like that can take place.
I was going to type a long response to this, but ignorant fools like yourself aren\'t worth my time.
Get over it - Bush won and after numerous recounts he won by 533 votes at the very least.
If you believe that F911 is truthful and Michael Moore only reports facts you are no better than those idiots who drank the Kool Aid in Jonestown back in the 70\'s.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I was going to type a long response to this, but ignorant fools like yourself aren\'t worth my time.
Get over it - Bush won and after numerous recounts he won by 533 votes at the very least.
If you believe that F911 is truthful and Michael Moore only reports facts you are no better than those idiots who drank the Kool Aid in Jonestown back in the 70\'s.
Damn man have some decency. I mean your such a prick that you can\'t even state the obvious truth.
There where 25000 votes for gore that were never counted. GWB got 290 votes from improperly counted military absentee ballots. Then there where thousands of minorities who where not allowed to vote in florida.
Got damn the truth has already been leaked. Everyone knows he lost. I can\'t believe you even had the nerve to deny it:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Damn man have some decency. I mean your such a prick that you can\'t even state the obvious truth.
There where 25000 votes for gore that were never counted. GWB got 290 votes from improperly counted military absentee ballots. Then there where thousands of minorities who where not allowed to vote in florida.
Got damn the truth has already been leaked. Everyone knows he lost. I can\'t believe you even had the nerve to deny it:rolleyes:
Why do I picture this while reading your post?
Maybe you both are insane perhaps?
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Where are these minority voters and why didn\'t they get to vote? And why were 25,000 votes never counted? And it\'s amazing that all 25,000 of these uncounted votes were Gore\'s.
I mean you have to assume they are anyway.
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I wouldn\'t go so far as to say that 25000 uncounted votes were for Gore but it has been stated that MANY people were turned away from the polls.
This isn\'t anything new though. People are turned away from the polls at almost every election and there are always shady circumstances. It is just the fact that the 2000 election was so close that has people\'s panties in a knot.
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Now what excuse do people have to just not let people vote? Theres no way that we are regressing into the racist days of old where they just wouldnt let some people vote.
I never did understand that whole situation.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Where are these minority voters and why didn\'t they get to vote? And why were 25,000 votes never counted? And it\'s amazing that all 25,000 of these uncounted votes were Gore\'s.
I mean you have to assume they are anyway.
http://WWW.GOOGLE.COM do a search
reported that 15,000-25000 votes for gore where not counted.
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Urban legend.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Urban legend.
just like slavery
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So vote tally machines took 15,000-25,000 (We\'ll take the number 25,000 because it\'s higher and therefor makes my point for Gore far better) and said to themselves, "They couldn\'t have possibly wanted Gore. I\'m just going to not count this one. Thank God they didn\'t let those blacks in here too. Then we\'d have more votes to not count."
That of course should be read in your best HAL impression from 2001.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
just like slavery
Wow, great point. :stick:
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Originally posted by videoholic
So vote tally machines took 15,000-25,000 (We\'ll take the number 25,000 because it\'s higher and therefor makes my point for Gore far better) and said to themselves, "They couldn\'t have possibly wanted Gore. I\'m just going to not count this one. Thank God they didn\'t let those blacks in here too. Then we\'d have more votes to not count."
That of course should be read in your best HAL impression from 2001.
lol...HAL kicks ass. Such an amazingly well-played badass for when the movie was made.
As for the whole voting thing, it\'s in the past. Yeah, I thought it got rigged, but there\'s not a damn thing that\'s going to happen because I think that. The 2004 elections coming up, and it\'s best for bygones to be bygones.
Also, is anybody else noticing that the Race Card is getting played WAY too much around here these days?
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Also, is anybody else noticing that the Race Card is getting played WAY too much around here these days?
Uhm, way too much? By who? And when?
Compared to previous times (politically)? Maybe i havent been paying attention but i dont see where you got that one from.
If you mean on the forum then i cant say that the "card" has been played at all. Maybe an issue but nothing has been played around here in god knows how long. Like i said, maybe im just not paying as much attention.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
If you mean on the forum then i cant say that the "card" has been played at all. Maybe an issue but nothing has been played around here in god knows how long. Like i said, maybe im just not paying as much attention.
You must not be paying any attention.
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Nothing to do with the topic. Just thought it was funny and I didn\'t want to start a pointless new thread. (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/sovereignty.mov)
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I saw that and laughed. But then again, no politician has ever stumbled on words, right? :rolleyes:
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Man I\'d hate for someone to tape me all day long every day. gmail wouldn\'t be enough for my mistakes.
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Originally posted by Bozco
You must not be paying any attention.
Please explain.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
just like slavery
Yeah...that\'s just nice...
I really despise Kerry. He is very indecisive and he\'s expected to run our country? He scares me a bit. I\'m definitely going to vote for Bush again. It\'s just so hard this time around...I wouldn\'t have even minded Al Gore being president, but this election is so f*cked, I dont know where to turn anymore...