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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Cyrus on October 04, 2004, 08:15:57 AM
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I know Im stuck right now on my new set but I was wondering is it normal to have the lines on the top and bottom when watching a widescreen on a widscreen tv??
I was kind of expecting for the movie to fit perfectly in my screen. and was wondering if it was cause I was a dork or something.
I did notice Nemo and Scooby Doo2 fit the screen perfect but all of my movies have lines at the top and bottom.
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if it\'s a widescreen 16:9 ratio movie then I would think you wouldn\'t see the letterboxing. Kinda defeats the purpose of a widescreen set eh?
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First make sure your DVD player is configured to output to a widescreen television. This is usually a setting in the DVD player\'s menu.
Different motion pictures are filmed in different aspect ratios. Many Hollywood movies are filmed in 1.85:1, which almost fills the whole screen on a 16:9 television. However, another common aspect ratio is 2.35:1, which does not fill the entire screen of a 16:9 television. Therefore, you will definitely have black bars on the screen when watching a 2.35:1 film. It\'s normal.
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Cored\'s right on.
http://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_tv_qa.shtml
1.85:1 movie:
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2.35:1 movie:
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You\'ll find that more "epic" movies like Gladiator or Lawrence of Arabia will be in the wider format. Just depends on whatever the director chooses.
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Well I think it sucks..... I bought the wide screen one and still have the bars so I want 1:85:1 then it looks like..
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:laughing: Basic average Joe thought process: black bars = teh g3y/. It\'s all about the movie, not what fills your TV screen. When\'s the last time you complained about it in the theater? :)
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personally I WOULDN\'T MIND BLACK BARS ON MY TV BUT MY TV IS SUBSCEPTIBLE TO BURNS IN...
and i get real paranoid about it when watch movie with black bars...
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British widescreen tv\'s usually have about 3 or 4 different screen formats to cater for all sizes. Auto or zoom usually stretches the picture to fit perfectly.
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Zoom just changes the quality of the video. It should be banned on all sets.
If you are worried about burn in, then you really shouldn\'t buy a set that burns in.
Plus unless you watch a heck of a lot of 2.35:1 material, you won\'t have anything to worry about.
And THX is right. No one seems to complain at the theater when the open and close the currents according to screen ratio.
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Originally posted by videoholic
And THX is right. No one seems to complain at the theater when the open and close the currents according to screen ratio.
no one complain in theater because its give the right aspect ratio on the screen.
I enjoy watching video in their aspect ratio and proper resolution too on my hdtv. But because i get so paranoid of black borders that i "zoom" in 2:35:1 movies at time and strecth 4:3 aspect ratio video to fill in my 16 x 9 hdtv.
I heard a lot about how CRTS have improve greatly and burns in is a very small things for directview if contrast/picture is set properly and set calibrated properly.
Unless you leave it on 24 hours a day and 7 days a week for a long time...
unless the CRT is RPTV which uses 3 CRTS and 3 electron guns which make it more subseptible to burns in than directview...
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I usually "zoom" 4:3 programs to fill the whole screen. The images look a little squashed, but your brain adjusts to it.
However, I DO NOT zoom 2.35:1 programs to eliminate the black bars. If you do that, you\'re throwing away image information on the left and right sides of the screen. What\'s the point of using a widescreen TV, if you\'re going to willingly hide part of the frame? Seems like a stupid precaution to avoid burn-in.
I have a rear projection Toshiba 65H80 which is the old technology that IS suseptible to burn-in. I\'ve been running it for several years now, and I no burn-in whatsoever. You need to leave your set turned on 24x7 on a harmful image to induce burn in. I don\'t think any of us do that.
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The screens in the theater are huge monstosities, unsure what the standard AR they use. They do however, use the same screen to display Toy Story (which is 1.77:1) and Gladiator (2.35:1). They just use motorized curtains or masking to block out the light spill. If you watch at the beginning of the feature you can see them move, depending on the theater.
No one complains because the display is so frickin huge. Was sorta leading into the projector vs. direct view debate again. ;) Black bars don\'t become an issue at 80"+.
Zoom can be a bish depending on the scaler. I watched Samurai X last night which was unforutnately letterboxed (16:9 stuck in a 4:3 frame) so I used my projector to scale it. Luckily it has an onboard Faroudja DCDi processor so it still looked pretty good.
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I was just worried about burn in more than anything also.. Vid its your fault I prolly wouldnt have even thought about it if it wasnt for you.
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Anamorphic widescreen is what you seek, Cyrus.. and it\'s a feature unavailable on many/most DVD\'s.
Scooby Doo 2 and Finding Nemo both have it, that\'s why they fill your wide-screen monitor. What is anamorphic widescreen?
Basically all it means is that when you pop the DVD image onto a normal TV, it\'s be letterboxed to fit the format. On a widescreen TV, depending on the ratio, it\'ll fit perfectly into the space provided with little to no letterboxing and no loss of quality.
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Well, it exists. IF you didn\'t think about it, you\'d probably have issues with it.
To be honest you won\'t have burn in problems with the occasional video. It\'s the showrooms where they put movies and stuff on for long periods of time.
Take it back and get an LCD or a DLP. :)
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Originally posted by Blade
Anamorphic widescreen is what you seek, Cyrus.. and it\'s a feature unavailable on many/most DVD\'s.
Scooby Doo 2 and Finding Nemo both have it, that\'s why they fill your wide-screen monitor. What is anamorphic widescreen?
Basically all it means is that when you pop the DVD image onto a normal TV, it\'s be letterboxed to fit the format. On a widescreen TV, depending on the ratio, it\'ll fit perfectly into the space provided with little to no letterboxing and no loss of quality.
Wrong. An anamorphic transfer indicates that the source image was recorded with an anamporphic lens. The lens compresses the image in the horizontal axis (so people appear taller). The purpose was to allow the camera to capture a widescreen image in the normal frame size on standard 35mm film stock. When the compressed image is displayed, the projector "decompresses" it with another anamorphic lens.
Anamorphic DVDs tranfer the image content directly from the film stock without adjusting the aspect ratio. When the DVD is displayed, the DVD player or television handles the decompression. For example, the "full" mode on Toshiba rptvs, which would normally strech an image horizontally, instead simply corrects it in this situation.
The anamorphic quality of a motion picture has no effect on the vertical axis of the image, so it does not have any effect on the presence or absence of the black bars. It only affects the horizontal axis.
BTW, anamorphic DVDs are very common now. They are more common than previous transfer method, which used to encode black bars into the video signal on the DVD.
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"BTW, anamorphic DVDs are very common now. They are more common than previous transfer method, which used to encode black bars into the video signal on the DVD."
Thank God. In the early days of DVD this was certainly not the case.
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another term for anamorphic is 16 x 9 enhanced....
what it means is whatever the original aspect ratio is, it will the be same aspect ratio for 16 x 9 tv.
say, if the screen is 1.85:1. Then it will have a slight black borders on top and bottom of the screen to fill in the 1.78:1...
if the screen is letterbox 1.85:1 for 4:3 TV (full screen tv). It will leave a box black borders on top and bottom to make the aspect ratio looks 1.85:1 on 4:3...
same with 2.35:1 aspect ratio, if its 16 x 9 anarmorphic or 16 x 9 enhanced (or widescreen enhanced, :nut: too many terminology), it means the original aspect will be shown on the 16 x 9 hdtv...that means black borders on top and bottom of the tv (about 33% of resolutoin were thrown of because of this)....720 x 360 pixels instead of 720 x 480...
i dislike that...
but hey its better than....
4:3 anarmophic or 4:3 letterbox...
which will sacrifices more top and bottom of the screen resolution and bigger black border...
which can be as many as 720 x 240 lines...