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It really sickens me to see more and more stories like this. They tend to be more stories of violent acts being committed by the intolerant left towards the GOP. Not exclusively, but most seem to be perpetrated by leftist organizations. Liberal protesters always seem to have the maturity of little children.
First, some shots fired at a GOP headquarters the other day, next a GOP headquarters in Wisconson is stormed and now this...
Labor Activists Invade Bush\'s Campaign Sites
By ELLEN GEDALIUS and WILLIAM MARCH
Oct 6, 2004
The Tampa Tribune
TAMPA - Labor activists stormed President Bush\'s campaign headquarters in Tampa on Tuesday, part of an orchestrated event nationwide involving thousands of people protesting his policies on overtime pay.
No one was injured or arrested in Tampa, police said. Miami and Orlando also were among the 17 cities in swing- voting states where the AFL-CIO organized such events.
Protesters, including construction and hospital workers, were armed with postcards and petitions expressing their disapproval of Bush\'s overtime policies. Some held signs reading: "Don\'t Take Away Our Overtime."
Activists put at least one sign on a wall of the headquarters at 800 W. Platt St., pleading with Bush to "keep his hands off overtime pay," said Eddie Acosta, an AFL-CIO member who organized the Tampa rally.
The Bush administration issued new overtime pay rules in August. Proponents say the changes could make about 1 million more workers eligible for overtime. Critics contend 6 million could be reclassified as exempt from overtime pay.
Bush "knows we\'re frustrated with this," said John Cox, an AFL-CIO member based in Orlando. "We thought this is the best way we can get our message heard."
Stan Fields, a Bush campaign coordinator in Tampa, said the message was lost in the tactic as dozens of demonstrators rushed into the headquarters about 1 p.m.
"They were stamping. They were chanting," Fields said. "Literally, you couldn\'t hear inside this building. This place was rocking."
Al Higginbotham, Hillsborough County Republican Party chairman, said he arrived late to the scene and was told demonstrators, although not making physical contact with campaign workers, had moved within a few inches of them to impede them from leaving.
Joseph Agostini, spokesman for the state GOP, complained that just hours before Tuesday night\'s vice presidential debate, "a forum for civil discussion of issues, we have these organized labor thugs using terror tactics in America."
The demonstrators did not disrupt business, said Rob Ray, Hillsborough County Democratic Party vice chairman.
"That\'s what they always try to say about working people - that when you demonstrate together for a cause, you\'re being a mob or a thug," Ray said. "No one was hurt. We abided by what the police officers asked us to do."
Protesters stayed in the public area of the headquarters or on the street, and they left when asked, said police spokeswoman Laura McElroy.
"They might have been boisterous or somewhat intimidating, but they didn\'t threaten anybody," McElroy said.
Still, Republicans were alarmed.
"It\'s a shame that the campaign has gone to the point that they\'d use strong-arm tactics against volunteers," Higginbotham said. "It\'s unsettling to people who are volunteering to a cause they believe in, and I can assure you that folks I\'m associated with will never be involved in an effort like that."
Reporter Valerie Kalfrin contributed to this report. Reporter Ellen Gedalius can be reached at (813) 259-7562. Reporter William March can be reached at (813) 259-7761.
This story can be found at: http://www.tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGBF1XMUYZD.html
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It really sickens me to see more and more stories like this. They tend to be more stories of violent acts being committed by the intolerant left towards the GOP. Not exclusively, but most seem to be perpetrated by leftist organizations. Liberal protesters always seem to have the maturity of little children.
lol, it sounds like you think this was done out of spite for the GOP when they clearly had an issue with the overtime policy itself. What information are they lacking on the overtime policy to make them "misinformed liberal goons"?
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First of all - this is totally inappropriate behavior. Reminds me of pre war Nazi Germany if you want to know the truth.
What’s even more ironic is that the Fair Labor Act these union goons are protesting actually makes several million more workers eligible for overtime. The only 2 groups that “may” lose overtime will be some over $100,000 per year employees and it will make it harder for the union to force companies into making some supervisors hourly employees if they are now salaried.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Reminds me of pre war Nazi Germany if you want to know the truth.
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uhh...what does? These idiots storming the GOP headquarters? I can think of a couple things right now that remind me of Nazi Germany and THAT aint one of em.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
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uhh...what does? These idiots storming the GOP headquarters? I can think of a couple things right now that remind me of Nazi Germany and THAT aint one of em.
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Do yourself a favor and go read some history books. Ever hear of the "SA" and the "brownshirts"? You have some audacity to even hint that this adminstration is doing anything remotely like the Third Reich did. In regards to the campaign:
Shot fired into Knoxville GOP HQ (http://www.wbir.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=20241)
25 Staffers Avoid Injury as Huntington W VA HQ is Fired Upon (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5901781)
Washington State Re Elect Bush HQ Burgularized, Campaign Data Stolen (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002051443_webbush01.html)
ACLU Sponsored Gang Ransacks Bush/Cheney Headquarters in Orlando (http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html)
Democrat slugs area GOP chief, GPD says (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040918/LOCAL/40918010/1078)
These type of antics are the exact same tactics the National Socialists used in pre war Germany.
As I said intolerant left. :rolleyes:
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Yes, people that are mad about their overtime pay being ****ed with, and protest with postcards and signs...
You compare THAT to a bunch of SA members beating up people in the streets with the butts of their rifles? You can do better than that.
See Yuz.
Edit: Oh, and the last I checked, the Nazi\'s were an extreme right group, not left. Just to clarify.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Yes, people that are mad about their overtime pay being ****ed with, and protest with postcards and signs...
You compare THAT to a bunch of SA members beating up people in the streets with the butts of their rifles? You can do better than that.
See Yuz.
Edit: Oh, and the last I checked, the Nazi\'s were an extreme right group, not left. Just to clarify.
So shooting at people and storming into their office because of political beliefs is A OK eh ROL?
You also might want to check your facts again... yes the National Socialists were considered part of the extreme right, but there is very little difference between methods used by the extreme left. Take Stalin and Hitler for example - their governments were polar opposites of each other in theory - but in reality were they? I don\'t see much of a difference at all.
Oh and if you are too lazy to look it up:
In 1921 Adolf Hitler formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERsa.htm
"disrupt meetings of political opponents" I think that sums up what went on in Tampa yesterday does it not?
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stinky ass tree huggers! I\'ll kick one of \'em in the nuts if they try to hand me a flower. :p
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Anybody who truly believes that the communism practiced in Russia was leftist should know better. The USSR was a communist government in name only -- that was a dictatorship the second Stalin got in there. The last I checked, a dictatorship is more to the right than to the left.
From that, I see that you\'re implying that liberals are nothing more than a bunch of power-hungry extremists? That makes absolutley no sense whatsoever.
I don\'t agree with these idiots shooting at people. That\'s just dumb. I\'m a democrat, but that\'s ****ing ridiculous. Show some god damn sense.
See Yuz.
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Tell me Giga, just cause Hitler did something, does that make it awful? Hitler was an awful man, he did some awful things, but that doesn\'t mean that if you can connect something to him it\'s necessarily awful. I think relating a group to Hitler cause they storm a building is just a little bit overboard.
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This may be a little more skewed, because of where I live, but the only people running around acting crazy are the Libs and Democrats, I\'m sure if I told that lady I was voting for Bush she would have stopped me from helping her.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Tell me Giga, just cause Hitler did something, does that make it awful? Hitler was an awful man, he did some awful things, but that doesn\'t mean that if you can connect something to him it\'s necessarily awful. I think relating a group to Hitler cause they storm a building is just a little bit overboard.
You have to be kidding. :rolleyes:
Liberals are showing their true intolerant colors. It has been this way for a long time. They try and censor anything they disagree with.
I won\'t mind it if Kerry wins - at least then it will be open season on Lurch - Pumpkin head Kerry. ;) He will be the Jimmy Carter of the this century.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You have some audacity to even hint that this adminstration is doing anything remotely like the Third Reich did.
"Of course the people don\'t want war. But after all, it\'s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it\'s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it\'s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering(Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and, as Hitler\'s designated successor, the second man in the Third Reich) at the Nuremberg trials
I just calls it like I sees it.
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Liberals are showing their true intolerant colors. It has been this way for a long time. They try and censor anything they disagree with.
For such a smart poster, that may be the dumbest thing I have read in awhile.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
For such a smart poster, that may be the dumbest thing I have read in awhile.
The evidence speaks for itself. Out of all the elections in our lifetime and if one campaign could be best described as using similiar tactics to those the National Socialists have used - it would be the DemocRats in 2004.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The evidence speaks for itself. Out of all the elections in our lifetime and if one campaign could be best described as using similiar tactics to those the National Socialists have used - it would be the DemocRats in 2004.
Get a ****ing grip, man. You are so out of touch with reality -all you do is sit on this board and post about how the democratic\'s are evil and come up with slang like "DemocRats". Not only is it becoming annoying it is also pathetic. You are starting to rank up there with Mystiq as blind and ignorant. No matter what, you find a way to blame it all on the democrats.
I don\'t mean any of this personal, just mean for you to stop, take a look at the quality of your posts. They are goin downhill, because you do nothing but bash the other party, much like Mystiq does with the Republican\'s.
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You have the nerve to say its not personal? If you don\'t like it - don\'t read it or better yet, post some articles of your own! In case you haven\'t been keeping up with current events I would be happy to let you know that this is one of the most devisive elections in our history and your wreckless and ill thought out post attests to this. Considering you don\'t offer one relevant post in this forum I wouldn\'t think about criticising any regular poster in here if I were you.
I am one of the few that actually post stories here - sorry if you don\'t like the slant. They are intended to trigger reactions and encourage debate, though not the kind you just posted. Everyone is free to post other stories of interest - but they don\'t - including yourself. So once again, as the saying goes - either put up or shut the hell up. I also would like to know when I said the democrats were evil? Nice one LIC.
Lastly, since you can\'t have a "rational" discussion with one such as myself who has a different albeit strong opinion - you might want to stick to Console Discussion since this forum seems too intellectually challenging for you. I know it may be hard in your case to present facts and actually think about something to say that has substance. There are those who actually come here and get something out of these discussions. Not because of me, but because this forum is here and it makes people think. It is fine to trade jabs with people, but it is quite another story to launch a full broadside into someone because you disagree with their positions and contributions. This is what I was referring to in this very post when I posted about the intolerance of some.
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I\'m sorry that you can\'t face reality - the reality that you go out of your way to present biased views on the democrats. The same biased views that you sit and whine about Mystiq doing.
There is nothing special about this forum. It\'s you complaining about democrats and not listening to a word anyone else posts. That is all this forum has become. There have been plenty of posters who present facts, with links and stories (Eik, Black , Ginko and more) and you always manage to spin-doctor it into how the democrats are evil.
As far as not offering one relevant post in this forum, I have, but you are always to blind to see them, unless you agree with them (and I can point them out, where you have agree\'d with me).
In closing, get off your high horse and if you are going to post all this crap about how democrats are evil and not listen to anyone posting rational post, then don\'t cry when someone points out the obvious....That you are being blind, ignorant and biased.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Lastly, since you can\'t have a "rational" discussion with one such as myself who has a different albeit strong opinion - you might want to stick to Console Discussion since this forum seems too intellectually challenging for you. I know it may be hard in your case to present facts and actually think about something to say that has substance. There are those who actually come here and get something out of these discussions. Not because of me, but because this forum is here and it makes people think. It is fine to trade jabs with people, but it is quite another story to launch a full broadside into someone because you disagree with their positions and contributions. This is what I was referring to in this very post when I posted about the intolerance of some.
Ouch. Touchy Giga.
...since you can\'t have a "rational" discussion with one such as myself who has a different albeit strong opinion - you might want to stick to Console Discussion since this forum seems too intellectually challenging for you.
High horse indeed. I know youre frustrated but such (Semi) high self praise doesnt help you out much my friend.
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I agree with LIC to a degree. It\'s quite obvious you post the stories with a slant, as you put it, and your responses are of the same nature. It might have sparked debate when I first wandered in here but it\'s gotten to the point, for me at least, where it\'s kind of discouraging to post in here...
I don\'t mean to attack you it\'s just it wouldn\'t hurt you to lighten up a little bit.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m sorry that you can\'t face reality - the reality that you go out of your way to present biased views on the democrats. The same biased views that you sit and whine about Mystiq doing.
There is nothing special about this forum. It\'s you complaining about democrats and not listening to a word anyone else posts. That is all this forum has become. There have been plenty of posters who present facts, with links and stories (Eik, Black , Ginko and more) and you always manage to spin-doctor it into how the democrats are evil.
As far as not offering one relevant post in this forum, I have, but you are always to blind to see them, unless you agree with them (and I can point them out, where you have agree\'d with me).
In closing, get off your high horse and if you are going to post all this crap about how democrats are evil and not listen to anyone posting rational post, then don\'t cry when someone points out the obvious....That you are being blind, ignorant and biased.
Is it any coincidence you are using the same line Democrats do about Bush towards me about not living in reality? I doubt it. :rolleyes: Since when was I not allowed to be partisan or biased? Especially during an election? For the second time, when have I called democrats evil? What upsets you is that you see some truth in my claim that the tactics that some in the DNC are using are Nazi like.
After all isn\'t that what this thread is about? Isn\'t this thread based on a factual story? Am I being biased? Maybe so, but I could pose that question to you, BS, Eik and Ginko. All of you have stated your hatred for Bush - and you ask me to stop being biased. Whatever you say hypocrite... :laughing:
I was watching MSNBC last night after the debate and Pat Buchanan asked some college girl who looked like she hadn\'t mastered how to use a comb if she thought Bush did better in Miami - her reply was a rabid frothing at the mouth "No!!! He did worse than he did in Miami..." Anyone, and I mean anyone who watched it last night would agree that Bush did better than he did in Miami. What is my point you ask? That is what is considered blind and ignorant - that is what would be considered not living in reality.
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Originally posted by Ginko
I agree with LIC to a degree. It\'s quite obvious you post the stories with a slant, as you put it, and your responses are of the same nature. It might have sparked debate when I first wandered in here but it\'s gotten to the point, for me at least, where it\'s kind of discouraging to post in here...
I don\'t mean to attack you it\'s just it wouldn\'t hurt you to lighten up a little bit.
And your responses aren\'t the same in nature? Give me a break. So you want me to censor myself because you disagree with it?
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What does it say in the sticky at the top of this forum?
Keep things civil in here. Blatant insults directed at others for any reason won\'t be tolerated.
Keep in mind we have MANY different views and opinions in here due to our diversity, we are open to all of that, I ask you all to do them same. If you can\'t handle that, this forum isn\'t for you and I ask you to move on.
I didn\'t create those rules, but some ahem... LIC should really read that first one and if you think I post too much of one slant - then post some articles that relate to whatever slant you would like to see. Since when am I supposed to be unbiased. Don\'t blame me for your laziness when it comes to generating topics to discuss. I get newsfeeds and I post articles. Is it my fault I keep up with the news on a regular basis? While others do not?
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Take this thread title for example, "Misinformed Liberal Goons invade Tampa GOP Headquarters". Why you couldn\'t stick to the story\'s original title of "Labor Activists Invade Bush\'s Campaign Sites" I\'m not sure.
EDIT: I applaud you for having an opinion, bravo. I just don\'t care for the manner in which you post it. And you\'re right, if I don\'t like it I can leave...later.
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Its his thread he can title how he wants, if you didn\'t like it then don\'t post in it, how hard is that?
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^^^tru this is what this forum is all about..we have peeps who are dems and republicans in here and it\'s obvious what side giga is on...and because giga is just so the opposite of me when it comes to certain issues..i love to debate with him, there are times when he can be obnoxious (spel) but there are times when i have come away from some of his threads learning something, so giga don\'t change... stay that hard nosed som-bitch that you are,..i need somebody on that other side that i can debate with and have a good time doin it....ahhh looks back to that Al Sharpton thread :p...
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I will say this - I have learned more about clips since he has been posting in this forum than I ever would have otherwise and I have a respect for him that I would never have had if I had only seen him posting about "whips" and other things in off topic.
BS, Nicon, fastson - they are all on the other side of the fence from in most respects, but they all offer good insight on topics from perspectives I would never see.
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The point is simple, you post on this board on a high horse, like no one is ever right, expect for yourself. You then change title of articles to present an obvious biased slant, just like a child or Mystiq would. So, what exactly makes you better than him? Nothing. You are his clone, \'cept you are on the other side of the fence. That is all.
I have watched and posted in this forum and for the most part, you are one of the only people who are not open to actual discussions, you just want to post your biased view and shove it down everyone\'s throat. You are also usually the first person to take a "jab" at someone, which is just your way of getting in a free insult.
Your constant battering and trying to knock people down is not only getting old, it is running people out of this forum, which I am sure is what you would like.
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Problem is Giga actually comes with facts, I wouldn\'t compare Mystiq with Giga. Giga may have the same mentality but he backs his shit up.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
The point is simple, you post on this board on a high horse, like no one is ever right, expect for yourself. You then change title of articles to present an obvious biased slant, just like a child or Mystiq would. So, what exactly makes you better than him? Nothing. You are his clone, \'cept you are on the other side of the fence. That is all.
I have watched and posted in this forum and for the most part, you are one of the only people who are not open to actual discussions, you just want to post your biased view and shove it down everyone\'s throat. You are also usually the first person to take a "jab" at someone, which is just your way of getting in a free insult.
Your constant battering and trying to knock people down is not only getting old, it is running people out of this forum, which I am sure is what you would like.
The problem is, LIC you are wrong. You are wrong to bring your blatent personal grudge against me into this forum when you could have approached it in at least two different manners. You are also wrong in the belief I should only post "fair and balanced" articles. Some time ago you complained that I was too biased to be a moderator - I didn\'t realizing posting opinions and being a moderator were intertwined - so Coredweller was added as a moderator to offset my topics... well where is he? He may not have the time, but I do know he can debate logically with me - where as you can\'t.
The title of articles does not change the slant of any given article if you actually take time to read the content. I may have made an error with the title of the topic, but that is no excuse for your diatribe about how I am "Mystiq\'s clone". The question that should really be asked it what makes you better than anybody in this forum? Even Mystiq brings more to the table than you do. It is obvious you have come here looking for a fight and you have found one. Are you happy? You have certainly taken this way off topic and if that was your goal congrats.
You aren\'t adding anything to the discussion only taking away from it. If you can\'t come mentally armed then stay out. If all you can do is try and blame me for your perceived problems with this forum then at least try and counter my posts/articles with some from the other side of the fence. Instead of complaining - which is about all you do. I would also rather come across as being "on a high horse" as opposed to stooping to your level and coming across as a foul mouthed "jackass" who does nothing but hurl needless insults, which is precisely what you are doing. Maybe you would be happy if we imposed Roberts Rules of Order? :rolleyes:
Once again if you don\'t like my views - don\'t read my posts. You have taken this thread and made it into your personal vendenta against me. With that this thread is closed. If you still have a problem you know where to take it.