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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: THX on October 07, 2004, 01:01:13 PM
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002055180_xbox06.html
1 million presales! Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin.
edit- and for the xbox haters- http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/06/news_6109802.html
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Someone explain to me why tho\'. I mean, the first one was really not all that good.
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I have one of those!!!!:D
Whether it\'s at one million or 750,000 those are some big time numbers.
EDIT: Pfft, LIC, you didn\'t even like Metroid Prime. You\'re not worth a discussion...j/k:p
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I\'m surprised if that\'s actually some kind of record, but it just goes to show you what a group of gamers starving for a good game will do.
*ducks*
-Dan
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wow!!750000 presales :eek:
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Multi is really fun.
35 days...
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eik got it right on the head
a mirage on a desert of desperation
another look at it, halo sold 5 million copies worldwide since launch. only 20% of those are that exited about halo 2 to put 5$ down?
might as well call it halo 1.5
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@mm- I\'m gonna buy it on release, don\'t plan on reserving it.
I loved the story and the sense of teamwork in Halo. It created a great environment on the planet/building they were on. The Flood definitely could have been better but they did a good job of setting them up.
Oh and the co-op rocks if you have a 2nd person.
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It\'s also been able to take reserves for like 3 or 4 years. I got my reserve for Halo 2 when I was a junior in High School cause it was supposed to come out that fall. Well I\'m now a freshman in college, and still no Halo 2.
So everything happens for a reason.
Not taking away from the game, I think it will be good, but this is nothing to brag about.
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If you dont\' think it\'s fun you obviously haven\'t played it with a group of guys on seperate boxs. Here in Pickerington Halo is huge, whenever we have some spare time we get a game going. A set of twins from here won halo nationals 2003, Ogres. Playing with them is tons of fun.
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Nothing to brag about? You can probably count on one hand how many games get this kind of attention. Grand Theft Auto and Zelda come to mind.
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Originally posted by mm
only 20% of those are that exited about halo 2 to put 5$ down?
I suppose that is one way to spin it.
I am excited about its release and am looking foward to it, however I have never been one to preorder anything so
I also will get it on release.
I don\'t want Fry\'s earning intrest on my $5.00 in addition to all the other preorderers when I can keep it.
If they have copies when I come in to get it, great...
If they don\'t, no problem.
I\'ll get it in a day or two or even two weeks if need be
(though I doubt MS/Bungie will make me wait long at all).
There are other good games (and expansion packs) I can play while I wait, but then, I don\'t feel desperate.
Hell, I got the GTA DoublePack 2 days before the stores were legally alowed to put them on the shelves and it was a very hot item at the time.
(not as hyped as Halo 2, but I mention only to demonstrate the overratedness of preordering and or using preorders as a yardstick for a gamers exitedness about the release of a game).
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I remember when Halo was supposed to come out on ps2 as well and i really wanted to play it and then that version got canned. So when i finally got to play the box version it was pretty kool but after a while and getting to play it for some time, it just started to bore me and give me a headache.
After that, going back to play too a little extra effort. Multiplayer is alright though. Still gives me headaches though. At one point in time i really would have rather played Red Faction 2. Flame all you want but thats how i felt.
The second looks a lot better IMO, but since i dont have an xbox i dont know if ill play it. Not heartbreaking news really. The loss of online play on GT4 was more upsetting. Not to be an ass about it.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Nothing to brag about? You can probably count on one hand how many games get this kind of attention. Grand Theft Auto and Zelda come to mind.
And HALO 2 just beat the records they set.
I surprised by the way you guys\'re trying to spin this into something negative.. :/
LiC: I think you\'ve participated in enough HALO discussions to know why the game catches so much praise, and why everybody anticipates HALO 2 much. Do you really need to ask?
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Flame all you want but thats how i felt.
I do not understand how someone could flame you or anyone
else just because a game is not your cup of tea.
Geez, you essentially only said you liked Halo the 1st time around
but it did not hold much replay value for you... there is nothing to flame for even if you did not even like it the 1st time.
There is no shame in that.
Oh yeah, if you live near Dallas, I \'ll lend you my Xbox and copy of Halo 2, no one should miss out on it. ;) *as I add to the Hype*
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Originally posted by Nu
I surprised by the way you guys\'re trying to spin this into something negative.. :/
Looks at who posted the negative comments...
Nu, you\'ve been here just as long as I have, how is it that you didn\'t flat out predict their responses?
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Originally posted by mm
eik got it right on the head
a mirage on a desert of desperation
another look at it, halo sold 5 million copies worldwide since launch. only 20% of those are that exited about halo 2 to put 5$ down?
might as well call it halo 1.5
did you just say 5million since launch? :rolleyes:
Arent Halo2\'s sales figures only the presales? :rolleyes:
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Uni, you witnessed the Fable thread. Need I say more?
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Originally posted by Ginko
Looks at who posted the negative comments...
Nu, you\'ve been here just as long as I have, how is it that you didn\'t flat out predict their responses?
I assumed there was a "limit" to how far this BS could go. They have surpassed my expectations.
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You guys will eventually get to my point where you don\'t partake in any of this. I just play my games and have fun.
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umm, I never said it was gonna be bad. In fact if you look at my previous post, I said I believed it would be good.
All I was saying is that it\'s not too hard to set a pre-sale record when your game is constantly getting delayed. Like I said, the original release date for this game was last spring (spring 03 for those wondering).
Sometimes I wonder if people even read post anymore around here. Everyone is jumping to conclusions. :(
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
All I was saying is that it\'s not too hard to set a pre-sale record when your game is constantly getting delayed. Like I said, the original release date for this game was last spring (spring 03 for those wondering).
It was Fall \'03. And even then, the release date wasn\'t entirely confirmed. Just something an MS rep threw out, it was never mentioned again, and I recall Bungie quickly responding with a "it\'ll be done when it\'s done". There have really been no delays in HALO 2\'s development.
If you really must count what I mentioned above as a delay, then you can only say there has been one.
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Agreed, but this game had freaking trailers in movie theatres, it\'s no wonder it\'s presales are going through the roof. First time I ever saw a video game preview at a movie theatre, a Sony theatre no less!
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
umm, I never said it was gonna be bad. In fact if you look at my previous post, I said I believed it would be good.
I didn\'t say or suggest this. My post was directed at "but nothing to brag about."
All I was saying is that it\'s not too hard to set a pre-sale record when your game is constantly getting delayed. Like I said, the original release date for this game was last spring (spring 03 for those wondering).
I think the amount of presales could be attributed to the success of the original game. Halo sold 5 million copies, it\'s certainly one of the best selling games of this generation.
First time I ever saw a video game preview at a movie theatre, a Sony theatre no less!
I remember seeing a Shenmue ad in the theater years ago and more recently Jak II. Haven\'t seen a Halo 2 trailer yet.
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They\'ve shown a Halo 2 trailer in every movie I\'ve gone to since Spiderman 2.
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Jax and Daxter had cinema adds up the wazoo around these parts. Same with Ratchet and Clank. Although, thinking about it, perhaps they were PS2 adds or competition just using the latest Sony platform game to make it look good. /shrugs
Anyways, as long as the game has a decent single player mode, I\'ll be happy. I don\'t always get a chance to play co-op any more, and without co-op the first game would have been worthless to me.
No pre-order.
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think you\'ve participated in enough HALO discussions to know why the game catches so much praise, and why everybody anticipates HALO 2 much. Do you really need to ask?
Yes, Yes I do. I own Halo, owned it from day one (well damn near it) and the game never impressed me and I have never got a clear cut reason for people enjoying it other than the typical "it\'s fun"...
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i also did not say halo 2 was gonna be bad, i\'m just not impressed.
a million presales is not that big of a deal for a game thats been in production how long? and been in the media spotlight how long?
60 fps, where are you?
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1)How many games do have so many presales?
2)How large is XBOXs usebase compared to PS2s?
3)The presales arent the absolute number of the excited gamers that want it.They could be a lot more.
4)An excited gamer about a game doesnt necessarily prebuy a game
5)So what if its 60fps?Considering its on an old console, its running in steady framerate, its not a fast paced FPS and most importantly of all everything else has improved we dont care.
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a million presales is not that big of a deal for a game thats been in production how long? and been in the media spotlight how long?
3 years. You can\'t simply get presales of that caliber by having any game in production. Halo 2 earned that buzz from the original game and now it has broken the presales record. I would tell you to get over it but we both know that isn\'t going to happen. You\'re going to come up with as many trite excuses as you can to spin this or any other news for Halo 2.
Yes, Yes I do. I own Halo, owned it from day one (well damn near it) and the game never impressed me and I have never got a clear cut reason for people enjoying it other than the typical "it\'s fun"...
What else does there need to be?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
and I have never got a clear cut reason for people enjoying it other than the typical "it\'s fun"...
Name another game that makes it that easy to get a group of guys together having fun.
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you mean besides madden football?
put it this way, whats were the options to halo? oh yeah
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Originally posted by mm
you mean besides madden football?
put it this way, whats were the options to halo? oh yeah
You make it sound as if people were forced to buy an Xbox when you put it that way. People chose to buy Halo, 5 million of them.
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Originally posted by mm
you mean besides madden football?
put it this way, whats were the options to halo? oh yeah
Madden is one other game, thats all you can come up with. Then you have the nerve to say that, pathetic.
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Hmm.. Another game that makes it easy to get guys together to have fun?
Yup, you\'re right... Halo is the only one!
:rolleyes:
I don\'t see the big deal about Halo. Co-op was fun, but that\'s all I ever liked. With friends, I\'d much rather go for DOA or Need for Speed or Tetris or jamming paper clips in my eyes than play Halo four-player.
-Dan
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Sorry we couldn\'t keep this on your level Eik. :rolleyes: Oh oh two player fun......woooo.
.....need for speed, wow.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Hmm.. Another game that makes it easy to get guys together to have fun?
Yup, you\'re right... Halo is the only one!
Pffft another fun game?Pfft...I am bored of fun games.How many fun games do we need?:rolleyes:
How about games that arent fun and dont make it easy to get gamers to play together.Yep I miss those.
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boz, you asked for another game, and right away, i gave one
halo did as well as it did, because of a severe lack of competition. it\'s a good game (untill you beat it), but the xbox never really had anything else at that level. just alot of letdowns (ie. panzer dragoon orta, fable, toejam and earl,
halo was the system seller, wtf else were people gonna buy the system with at launch? kabuki warriors?
how many copies of FF10 were sold? over 10 million
or GT3? over 15 million
shall i continue?
and dont even try to pull that "well more PS2\'s were sold than xbox\'s" crap. who\'s fault was that?
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1: Mario Kart.. That will get group\'s together. Plenty of other games also.
2: Don\'t dare call Panzer Dragoon Orta a letdown. It roxor your boxor or whatever internet slang is hip at the moment.
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Originally posted by mm
boz, you asked for another game, and right away, i gave one
halo did as well as it did, because of a severe lack of competition. it\'s a good game (untill you beat it), but the xbox never really had anything else at that level. just alot of letdowns (ie. panzer dragoon orta, fable, toejam and earl,
halo was the system seller, wtf else were people gonna buy the system with at launch? kabuki warriors?
how many copies of FF10 were sold? over 10 million
or GT3? over 15 million
shall i continue?
and dont even try to pull that "well more PS2\'s were sold than xbox\'s" crap. who\'s fault was that?
i gotta agree with mm on this... whenever somebody thinks of xbox the first thing that comes out of their mouth is halo..halo is the only game that has defined that system...
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hmmmm, mario kart
MK for 64 has to be the all time funnest game i ever played 4 way. especially with 3 roomates and a 1/2 keg of yeungling
orta was a flop, bro. as much as i loved PD1 and 2 and saga on saturn, orta was a severe letdown
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Just wanted to join in on the multiplayer thing, as much as I love ya\' Boz, there\'s dozens of games out there that\'ll get 4 (or more) players around and be as fun, if not more so than Halo.
Any Tekken freaks here ever play Tag Tournament 4-players? Mmm.. that is probably up there for the most 4 player fun for me. TimeSplitters 2 with multple systems. OOH, OOH, as much of a dud as the single player game was, Quake 2 on PSX was incredible fun 4 player! Oh the memories are all coming flooding back.. We used to play elimination, so the last player alive was the winner, and the loser had to go to the local conveniece store and buy the chips (flavored with chicken salt, IIRC) for everyone else! Only problem was it was almost always the same person who lost and he never wanted to get the damn chips!!!
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...Sorry. :( Just.. reminiscing.
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Originally posted by mm
halo did as well as it did, because of a severe lack of competition. it\'s a good game (untill you beat it), but the xbox never really had anything else at that level. just alot of letdowns (ie. panzer dragoon orta, fable, toejam and earl,
halo was the system seller, wtf else were people gonna buy the system with at launch? kabuki warriors?
That\'s just it, mm. Alot of people bought an Xbox FOR Halo. There is a reason the game is still on the top 10 selling games in the U.S., people like it.
how many copies of FF10 were sold? over 10 million
or GT3? over 15 million
shall i continue?
Where are you getting your numbers? They seem to be inflated somewhat...
I can\'t find anything on GT3.
FFX = 6.6 million as of Jan. \'04 (http://www.square-x.com/news/286)
and dont even try to pull that "well more PS2\'s were sold than xbox\'s" crap. who\'s fault was that?
Why can\'t you take into account that PS2 has more system selling games than Xbox? I think it has everything to do with the amount of success for the console and the size of your ready, willing, and able audience.
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Out of all the games mentioned the only one that had nearly as much fun factor/mass appeal was Mario Cart 64. But frankly, we played that to death. It was Bond, Mario Cart, and now Halo. And the memories I have from Halo are just as great as any from the previous games. I\'m really starting to think none of you have had 3 on 3 4 on 4 nights of halo. With that said, don\'t really know how you could comment on all this.
Also, mm, bringing up all the other sales. You\'re really wasting your time cause I don\'t care.
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So what if other games have fun multiplayer modes too?Do they make Halo less better?No
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you dont care cause it makes your argument somewhat, moot
personally, screw multiplayer halo. (aside from coop, untill you beat it))
split screen sucks (5 fps), and dragging 4 Tv\'s into one room = the lame
BUT, but, but people do it BECAUSE there\'s no other option on the xbox
....hence its sales.
....hence its presales for halo 2
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It gets more people together than any other game in recent memory. It\'s not just an xbox thing. It\'s obviously better than you give it credit for if people get tvs together to play. Also 4 tv\'s isn\'t a big deal when it\'s a college house where theres already a lan and tvs in each guys room. But you\'re old now so yea, scratch that.
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Originally posted by mm
....hence its sales.
....hence its presales for halo 2
I don\'t get your...well, let\'s call it logic.
Let\'s get one thing clear, nobody was forced to buy Halo or an Xbox. Almost THREE YEARS later people still aren\'t forced to buy Halo or Xbox yet it remains in the top ten best selling games despite there being MANY other options on Xbox and other consoles.
Halo was in no way groundbreaking but it did so much right. The game is fun for ALOT of people even to this day. Halo 2\'s presales are riding off of that succcess.
Spin in all you want but at least try and make some sense.
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Originally posted by mm
you dont care cause it makes your argument somewhat, moot
personally, screw multiplayer halo. (aside from coop, untill you beat it))
split screen sucks (5 fps), and dragging 4 Tv\'s into one room = the lame
BUT, but, but people do it BECAUSE there\'s no other option on the xbox
....hence its sales.
....hence its presales for halo 2
No.Halo1 sold well because its a good game.It may have its flaws but they are not such a huge issue.They are enough to prevent it from being a perfect FPS but not enough to prevent it from being a good title.I still havent seen a 100% flawless game anyways.
And I dont get the logic of the last part?What do sales have to do with its supposed "flawed that leaves no choice" multiplayer mode you are complaining about and what does it have to do with Halo2\'s presales?
1)First of all Halo1 was a superb first gen(that alone says a lot) title for the XBOX.
2)Secondly you are bitching about a 4 year old game.
3)Many issues on Halo1 have been corrected in Halo2
4)This time the game is online if I am not mistaken so no TVs, no extra copies, no extra XBOXs.
5)You didnt play Halo2 so you have no opinion
6)You are always complaining anyways
7)Will you please respect other people\'s opinions that like the game?You think you know whats best for everybody while nobody knows whats best for their selves, and that everyone should follow your tastes.
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Didnt MGS2 have over a million reserved? Same thing with GTA VC...
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Just for you Halberto
A story in the Seattle Times that features a few surprising comments on the Xbox and Xbox Live Arcade has been making the rounds today. To get to the bottom of some of the article\'s more head-scratching assertions, GameSpot contacted a Microsoft representative for clarification.
To wit, the story\'s report that more than 1 million presales have been recorded for Halo 2 is "premature and speculative," said the Microsoft rep. Official numbers have preorders for the highly anticipated sequel at 750,000 units.
Whether or not this constitutes "the highest presale in the history of video games" is also disputed. Some reports put preorders for 2002\'s Grand Theft Auto: Vice City at more than 4 million, but Microsoft asserts that to its knowledge, the title "did not presell more than 1 [million] units." The discrepancy probably arises from the two different definitions of "preorder." One definition involves retailers\' orders, while the other involves customers whose money has been put down in advance of a game\'s release.
Was from the second link in the initial post. One would think that the two games you mentioned would have been FAR more than 1 million.
And mm..... lol. :D Although it\'d be classier if you actually editted his post and put the blank strip in there! ;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Someone explain to me why tho\'. I mean, the first one was really not all that good.
I don\'t understand it either. Halo is one of the most overrated games ever. Well Doom3 and FarCry also are.
I can\'t wait for HL2 to finally be released and show everyone what an FPS should play like.
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Thanks bob.
I thought Halo was overrated too. I found Red Faction to be better, single player wise.
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and no this isnt edited by mm :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Halberto
I thought Halo was overrated too. I found Red Faction to be better, single player wise.
Wow
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Oh and do you know whats the irony in that....BOB?
Originally posted by mm
boz, you asked for another game, and right away, i gave one
halo did as well as it did, because of a severe lack of competition. it\'s a good game (untill you beat it), but the xbox never really had anything else at that level. just alot of letdowns (ie. panzer dragoon orta, fable, toejam and earl,
halo was the system seller, wtf else were people gonna buy the system with at launch? kabuki warriors?
how many copies of FF10 were sold? over 10 million
or GT3? over 15 million
shall i continue?
and dont even try to pull that "well more PS2\'s were sold than xbox\'s" crap. who\'s fault was that?
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Originally posted by mm
you dont care cause it makes your argument somewhat, moot
personally, screw multiplayer halo. (aside from coop, untill you beat it))
split screen sucks (5 fps), and dragging 4 Tv\'s into one room = the lame
BUT, but, but people do it BECAUSE there\'s no other option on the xbox
....hence its sales.
....hence its presales for halo 2
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*Blank space=mm\'s posts=mm\'s desperate efforts and non-existent logic to persuade people how much right he is*
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Uni nailed it. :laughing:
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Originally posted by Halberto
Thanks bob.
I thought Halo was overrated too. I found Red Faction to be better, single player wise.
Agree\'d. Doom 3 is a gorgeous game, but a severe letdown gameplay wise. Haven\'t tried Far Cry yet - too busy with City of Heroes.
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Originally posted by Halberto
Thanks bob.
I thought Halo was overrated too. I found Red Faction to be better, single player wise.
Thats why everyone is different. Because I hated red faction. I thought it was horrible. I am not a huge fps person. But I enjoyed playing halo.
I only pre-order halo2 because at EB games they made me pre-order halo in order to buy live 05 the day it released.
They claim they where giving me somenone\'s pre-order. I just put the 5 bucks down. I know they just wanna count numbers for halo.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Thats why everyone is different. Because I hated red faction. I thought it was horrible. I am not a huge fps person. But I enjoyed playing halo.
Oh come now, Quddus. Let them live in their self-preserved pretentious bubbles, it makes for some interesting...no...good, not that either...well it makes for some funny reading.;)
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DOUBLE POST!
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uni...
tsk tsk
i really expected better
LIC, farcry was pretty damn cool...but little replay value (like halo)
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Originally posted by mm
uni...
tsk tsk
i really expected better
This coming from you?!:rolleyes:
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exactly
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Just when I think you can\'t possibly get anymore thickheaded. What makes you any better than that white square you\'ve been posting? You usually fail to make a valid point and the bulk of your posts lack sound reason. Everything you\'ve posted in this thread is an example of that.
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because i did it 1st :p
you guys fail to refute my points, just dance around them, and make wild claims
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Originally posted by mm
you guys fail to refute my points, just dance around them, and make wild claims
That\'s what YOU do, all of those things! Bah!
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Originally posted by mm
uni...
tsk tsk
i really expected better
LIC, farcry was pretty damn cool...but little replay value (like halo)
I kept hearing the hype about Farcry, which put me off. Once I get bored of CoH, I will have to check out Farcry. I have been in the Mac world for so long that I am now trying to catch up on PC games that I may of missed out on. Another one I need to track down is Gothic 2 .
I like DOOM 3, but I can\'t help but feel ID let us down in the gameplay . It is nothing but the same "monster jumps out" formula and the storyline via PDA\'s brings the game to a screeching halt at times. Still, it is an extremely impressive engine.
As for Halo, I felt the whole game was simply unimpressive. The single player was repetive, it offered nothing new to the player. The graphics was really not all that impressive, in my opinion. I remember walking to the ocean in one of the levels and the fact that nothing happened when I walked in it, brought my opinion down on the game in a massive way. As for CO-OP mode being the greatest thing, well, I don\'t think you can rate a game off of one single mode. Take the game as a package and that is where Halo falls short.
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Originally posted by Halberto
I thought Halo was overrated too. I found Red Faction to be better, single player wise.
That\'s something I agree with. Red Faction 2 was balls, though.
Oh and do you know whats the irony in that....BOB?
Oh don\'t you worry Uni, I.. got the point. And I\'m not defending mm, nor am I trying to attack you. I just think the blank white space bit mm does is funny. :) Oh, and no offense, but it wasn\'t as funny when you did it. :D ;)
Oh come now, Quddus. Let them live in their self-preserved pretentious bubbles
Well I\'m sorry if it\'s pretentious to like games with well designed levels. For the moist part, it feels like every level is about twice as long as it should be, and almost the entire second half was just added purely so they could say they had a 12 hour game. Now, I\'ll admit that these complaints can (mostly) be overlooked in a two player co-operative game. But in single player it just started to become boring and monotonous.
Halo 2, however has me very excited at the prospect of the game NOT being completely rushed. Interesting level design, and better indoor fighting and it\'ll be an absolute winner.
Sorry for being so pretentious that I don\'t like to be bored. :(
And yes, I\'m well aware that I mis-spelled the word most.. but.. I think it\'s funny in a childish way. :D
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Oh don\'t you worry Uni, I.. got the point. And I\'m not defending mm, nor am I trying to attack you. I just think the blank white space bit mm does is funny. :) Oh, and no offense, but it wasn\'t as funny when you did it. :D ;)
B]
No hard feelings.To tell the truth I found his post funny too :p
I wasnt trying to be funny though.Just wanted to point out whats happening between mm and people that dont share the same opinion as his
Originally posted by mm
uni...
tsk tsk
i really expected better
LIC, farcry was pretty damn cool...but little replay value (like halo)
Even if I post something intellectual and as valid as 1+1=2 instead of getting an equal reply I ll get a "huh" from you and a blank space
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Originally posted by Unicron!
No hard feelings.To tell the truth I found his post funny too :p
I wasnt trying to be funny though.Just wanted to point out whats happening between mm and people that dont share the same opinion as his
Even if I post something intellectual and as valid as 1+1=2 instead of getting an equal reply I ll get a "huh" from you and a blank space
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To be honest I never preorder games anymore.
As i don\'t see the point when i can just walk in and get the game come launch day like everyone else.
Out of all this time i have to say that there was ONLY one game, where pre-ordering it wouldn\'t of meant me having to go round every shop looking for it.
And that was Mertriod Prime...
When i went to get it (a week after launch)
None of the Games stores or general stores had it..... i Had to go to a Up markert Department store to get it.
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lol, now it\'s funny when LIC does it
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Originally posted by mm
lol, now it\'s funny when LIC does it
:laughing:
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It\'s just stupid when you do it Uni. Nice try to ruin our fun tho\'!
Also, reserving games is lame, unless you get a free shirt or something to that extent. It isn\'t like there is going to be a massive shortage . The same applies to reserving DVD\'s. Gay...Gay..Gay.
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Question ....
Why the hell Preorder a game when the Store will have more than enough copys to sell ?
Pre-orders = Wate of Time...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It\'s just stupid when you do it Uni. Nice try to ruin our fun tho\'!
Also, reserving games is lame, unless you get a free shirt or something to that extent. It isn\'t like there is going to be a massive shortage . The same applies to reserving DVD\'s. Gay...Gay..Gay.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Well I\'m sorry if it\'s pretentious to like games with well designed levels. For the moist part, it feels like every level is about twice as long as it should be, and almost the entire second half was just added purely so they could say they had a 12 hour game. Now, I\'ll admit that these complaints can (mostly) be overlooked in a two player co-operative game. But in single player it just started to become boring and monotonous.
Oh boo hoo, this wasn\'t even directed at you but I\'d at least think you\'d get it. You guys have made your point, you don\'t like Halo or at least you don\'t like it as much as some other people in here. What bothers me, or amuses me depending on the mood I\'m in, is that you guys keep regurgitating your opinion on the same subject as if it\'s going to matter anymore the next time someone reads it.
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Is anyone getting that Limited Edition metal box for Halo 2? I think it\'s only available through pre-order. I like the series but paying an extra $5 seems lame.
Unless there\'s some interesting playable extras I\'m going with the regular version.
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Originally posted by THX
Is anyone getting that Limited Edition metal box for Halo 2? I think it\'s only available through pre-order. I like the series but paying an extra $5 seems lame.
Unless there\'s some interesting playable extras I\'m going with the regular version.
I\'ve already got mine pre-ordered.:D
No playable extras, just a 2 dvd set.
The limited edition 2-DVD disc set contains (contents subject to change in final shipping):
The entire Halo 2 game and a second DVD with bonus content:
- The Making of Halo 2: Behind the scenes of Bungie Studios
- Featurettes on game design, animation, music and more
- Deleted cinematics and characters
- Art gallery, from concept to game
- Commentaries from the development team, and much more
>>>Link<<< (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/243597.asp)
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Meh, well I hope you enjoy it. My grumpy old self thinks $50 for a game is too much already. Any extras should be included at that price.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It\'s just stupid when you do it Uni. Nice try to ruin our fun tho\'!
Also, reserving games is lame, unless you get a free shirt or something to that extent. It isn\'t like there is going to be a massive shortage . The same applies to reserving DVD\'s. Gay...Gay..Gay.
I guess it must be nice living in the middle of no where. Buying games in an actual city can result in not having a chance of getting it without reserve.
Also, get serious on the white rectangle.
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the most ironic, and funny thing about the white block, is uni didnt even realize why i used it in the 1st place
...and boz, am i ready your quote wrong in your sig, or should it be crotch?
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It should, never really went to change it.
Oh, and thanks for playin\'
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Originally posted by mm
the most ironic, and funny thing about the white block, is uni didnt even realize why i used it in the 1st place
...and boz, am i ready your quote wrong in your sig, or should it be crotch?
Oh I did understand.The funny part is that you didnt understand how I used it later.Ofcourse I wouldnt expect much since you expect from all members that disagree with you to comprehend your illogical arguements but you never put the effort to comprehend their arguements.
You twist the meaning of their words instead.
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not a chance, uni
not a chance
someday tho, you just might make it
and boz, thanks for the love
you wouldn\'t put it there if you didn\'t care so much
:)
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Wow, all this time I thought I was enjoying a fun game when it turns out that I only like it because there are no other games. How could I have been so naive? How could I have let Microsoft trick me into buying a poor game when there were PS2 classics on the shelf?
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Originally posted by mm
...and boz, am i ready your quote wrong in your sig, or should it be crotch?
someone want to rewrite this in english... thnx.
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I wasn\'t going to say anything.
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Originally posted by mm
someday tho, you just might make it
That should be directed to you. :stick:
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Not sure about all that, Ginko. Not trying to change anything, just explaining.
*hug..
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My point on Halo is simple , people praise it soley on one mode and I don\'t think that is fair, not when there is plenty of other great multi-player games out there...
The single player game was an overall dull experience. The levels was reused way to often and nothing seemed very inspired about the game. That\'s just my two cents.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
My point on Halo is simple , people praise it soley on one mode and I don\'t think that is fair, not when there is plenty of other great multi-player games out there...
The single player game was an overall dull experience. The levels was reused way to often and nothing seemed very inspired about the game. That\'s just my two cents.
Who makes up the collective people you talk about? I\'m not one of them as I think the whole game is just great...my two cents.
Bobo, If I wanted I could dredge up at least a dozen threads with the same people saying the exact same thing regarding Halo. Why do you even bother is what I\'m asking? It would be like me crapping in a Grand Theft Auto thread everytime the game is brought up.
Anyway...hug
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You two are just too cute.
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/ Hug
The collective people that scream in every discussion about Halo\'s superior multiplayer game.
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What do you expect Ginko?
This thread would be 5 posts long if it weren\'t for people being willing to criticize the game. And 4 of those posts would be by pstwo posting the latest screenshots.
It\'s a small but loyal forum, you\'ll have the same people criticizing the game, just as there\'ll be the same people praising the game. Just be happy for discussion.
when really I only post in these threads for the hugs...
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LICky, my point was not to take that generalization of yours too far. I know many people who love the single and co-op player aspect of the game.
What do you expect Ginko?
Just what I\'ve come to know. This thread went from a Halo 2 pre-sales thread to ANOTHER Halo vs. everything thread...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Also, reserving games is lame, unless you get a free shirt or something to that extent. It isn\'t like there is going to be a massive shortage . The same applies to reserving DVD\'s. Gay...Gay..Gay.
I agree 100% the day Live came out I went to go pick it up at gamestop it was like 7:30pm. The store closes @9pm. They had it in stock and sitting on shelves but would not sell it too me because I did not pre-order it. How ****ing gay:mad:
There where people trying to wait til the store almost closes to see if they could buy it. I thought that was pathetic:rolleyes:
EBgames sold it too me but only if I pre-order halo:rolleyes: I doubt that every copy of NBA Live had a pre-order. The game is not bigger than madden. Just pissed me off. I should have just took my lazy ass to Best Buy and bought with no hassle. I am an idiot but they will never get me again.
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I use to preorder Capcom games for all the nice shirts, but now\'a\'days I don\'t bother. Then again, I don\'t even really the last time I bought a game on the day of release.
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I really have no clue what the white block is for, but here it goes.
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Too bad the pirates have leaked it, well thats what I read on the Gaming-Age forums.
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Yea crazy how quick they got a hold of it if it\'s true. Some people just can\'t wait, and are poor.
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It\'s true. PAL(French) version has been leaked. A guy accurately predicted when it would hit too. Pictures are already flying all over the place.
Fortunately, I haven\'t seen anything that spoils the story. But I can tell you guys this:- System-Link Co-op seems to be in. LIVE Co-op... Probably not. But don\'t rule it out.
- One of the images I saw seems to show off HALO 2\'s Blood Gulch, or something very similar to BG.
- Based on what few blurry pictures I\'ve seen, Single Player Campaign looks amazing.
I feel bad for Bungie for the most part. They must be pissed. So close to release too... But there is another part of me kind of smiling because certain information(like System-Link Co-op) should have been revealed months ago.
I\'ll just take care to avoid forums where information about HALO 2\'s Single Player Campaign will be thrown all over the place until November 9th.
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Just an early warning for this thread -- no one spoil the single player campaign or I will use a sticky grenade on your balls.
a million presales is not that big of a deal
You know how many game companies wish they could just break that number? How often does it really happen? I remember when PSOne greatest hits titles were released based on a million in sales. However, near no company could meet that requirement. Then it was levied to 750,000. Then 500,000. It\'s below even that now with the ps2. If the PS2 is the top-selling console, then selling a million copies on that system, even if the game is moderately good, should be as easy as pie -- but it obviously isn\'t.
If Halo only sold well because of a lack of options, as you suggest, then that doesn\'t explain the sales of Halo 2 prior to its launch. The Xbox has far more options, and far better ones according to many users on this board apparently, and yet barely any of them can even get close to a million units or break the number, but Halo 2 has done it before it has launched.
I just don\'t get your logic on this one, mm.
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So, are we clear to post multiplayer-related images?
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guess alot of those pre-sales will be cancelled
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oh, ryu
http://www.xbox.com/en-us/platinumhits
/vomit
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And your point is?How many of these platinum versions are XBOX exclusives(games that sell only on XBOX)?Do you know what is the sales mark for a game to become a "greatest hit" for XBOX?
And allmost all the exclusives are 3+ years old.
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pathetic you "missed" the point of me posting that
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You probably didnt get mine.
Anyways.I ll ask you to explain it to me then since I dont understand because the point of a discussion is understanding each others arguements (instead of posting a white rectangle)
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mm is insinuating that the ps2 GH titles, that sony constantly lowers the standards for, are no better then some of the crap that microsoft allows to be on their lists. However, despite this point, mm missed my point entirely about games hitting a million sold, let alone reserved before release. Me bringing up the GH titles on the ps2 wasn\'t a doorway for him to compare GH and Platinum titles, but a way to show that selling a million units of a single game is so difficult, even with a userbase of over 30 million, that Microsoft doing that in just pre-orders is a remarkable achievement and fueled, not by a lack of options, but by gamers obviously interested in the Halo brand name.
Oh, and pictures of multiplayer are totaly fair game, Nu. :)
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I don\'t get the whole pre-sale thing. I mean that doesn\'t gaurentee it will be good. In this case we know what we\'re getting, but honestly who can know for sure?
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No one is talking about if the game is going to be good or not. We\'re just saying, based on the original and how good it was, lots of people want part 2. There\'s nothing else implied beyond that. We can all discuss how good it is or how bad it is on November 9th. :)
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So mm basically expects from a company to name two categories of cheap games.One called "shit games that must be cheap in order to make you buy them" and another one called "greatest hits" that result from high sales so we consumers (AND mm) should know the difference. :laughing: :p
....wait....what does this have to do with Ryu\'s point about how hard is for a game to reach these sales numbers?
Originally posted by The Hurricane
I don\'t get the whole pre-sale thing. I mean that doesn\'t gaurentee it will be good. In this case we know what we\'re getting, but honestly who can know for sure?
Well.It shows that many liked Halo1 and it earned a huge fanbase.People are eager to get the sequel in their hands judging from their previous experience with Halo and their expectations for the sequel.
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no, my point was that just about any title (even spongebob - battle in bikini bottom) can make over a million sales and make platinum list
sorry for your confusion
i\'ll make it less cryptic next time
:rolleyes:
oh, and many people liked halo and it has a huge fanbase because it had ZERO competition. this was already said pages ago....
and roughly 20% of the original owners have preorderd, thats hardly alot
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Then that means I got your point from teh beginning you just dont understand other people\'s point
And that arguement about Halo\'s fanbase having zero competition is pure BS.If the game isnt good enough even if it sells a lot it doesnt mean it will get equal praise.
If I agree with you that spongebob sold a million and that Halo is praised because it sold well its like saying that Spongebob has lots of fans(I am puting some effort not to laugh) and that a sequel to Spongebob will be one of the biggest anticipated most eagarly awaited games......ok...thats it.Cant hold it....HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Btw:Do you have actual numbers of Spongebob\'s sales?
Oh and you know whats very funny about that?You always bring up sales as proof that a game sucks or not.What are you trying to say now?That spongebob is better than or as good as the Wind Waker?Or as ICO?.Probably if Halo sold less it would have been proof that is a great game?
You contradict yourself
Also what makes you think that Halo1 owners/fans that havent preordered the game wont be willing to buy it directly from shops?
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bro, please
you\'re going to hurt yourself
the offtopic forum might be more your speed
you\'re trying way too hard to prove nothing
You always bring up sales as proof that a game sucks or not.
now i dont know if the educational system in your country sucks, or your reading comprehension is just terrible, but sales = king is my famous quote before you race off to hunt it down.
this does not imply the game is good or not. what is does prove, is market trends.
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Back then, eh? If it only got as far as it did because there was no competition when it initially came out-- why would it continue to sell hundreds of thousands of copies now when there is so much competition from all sides of the spectrum(even on the same platform)?
But anyways... Images in a bit.
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oh, there\'s another FPS on the xbox?
i didnt realize
[/sarcasm]
while we\'re talking about moot points
imagine for a second, if you will, that m$ never bought the rights to halo and it remained a mac project.
would the xbox have ended up like the 3do? take away all the ports also, and what are you left with?
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Originally posted by mm
bro, please
you\'re going to hurt yourself
the offtopic forum might be more your speed
you\'re trying way too hard to prove nothing
You are the one hurting himself mr "admin".You are the one who loses cedibility. ;)
now i dont know if the educational system in your country sucks, or your reading comprehension is just terrible, but sales = king is my famous quote before you race off to hunt it down.
this does not imply the game is good or not. what is does prove, is market trends. [/B]
Thats a nice joke.You are american and sometimes you make more mistakes in your English than I do.
Then stop complaining all the time why a game doesnt sell well because it doesnt "satisfy trends" since you care soooo much about good gaming and enjoy a good game for once.
You are a hardcore gamer wannabe.Get it?
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Well if Bungie didn\'t get into financial trouble to have M$$$$DOLLARSIGN$$$$RICHGREEDYUNLIKESONY$$$$$ (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l) bail them out then you still have the most powerful console out. Burnout 3 is available for both PS2 and Xbox but Xbox has progressive scan, decent DD5.1 audio, custom soundtracks and a smoother framerate at 60fps solid. The same game was also rated higher for Xbox rather than PS2 by the mainstream reviewers.
Not a huge fan of the Xbox, but just for argument\'s sake... both consoles are popular. I know you\'re just saying this stuff for your own entertainment, but I\'m bored.
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Originally posted by mm
oh, there\'s another FPS on the xbox?
i didnt realize
[/sarcasm]
Heh.
Still, you didn\'t answer my question, bro.
while we\'re talking about moot points
imagine for a second, if you will, that m$ never bought the rights to halo and it remained a mac project.
would the xbox have ended up like the 3do? take away all the ports also, and what are you left with?
Several quality titles that stand on their own just fine? 0_o
But if HALO was never in the picture, it\'s debatable if we\'d even have those said titles. So it probably would have become another 3D0.
Images can be found in the Bungie Weekly Update Thread, guys.
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http://www.pe.com/sharedcontent/ptech/gamereviews2/101304ccjrptechgamer.a20a.html
By VICTOR GODINEZ / The Dallas Morning News
Preorders pour in
Halo 2 has gone gold.
With preorders close to 2 million before its Nov. 9 release, Halo 2 has become a blockbuster before a single copy has shown up on store shelves.
Okay.
So, how many preorders until it\'s considered impressive? :p
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mm, your ignorance is showing...
no, my point was that just about any title (even spongebob - battle in bikini bottom) can make over a million sales and make platinum list
"Platinum" sales for video games have different requirements than album\'s. Take the PS2 for example, the requirement to be a Greatest Hit is to sell over 400,000 units and only kicks in 9 months after release.
>>>Link<<< (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/360/360255p1.html)
The Platinum Hits program on the Xbox has a much more vague concept. From what I can tell a game just has to sell "well" and be out for 9 months before it\'s considered for platinum status.
>>>TeamXbox Link<<< (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/4096/Xbox-Platinum-Hits-Announced)
>>>IGN Link<<< (http://wire.ign.com/articles/385/385705p1.html)
>>>Onecle: Legal Contract<<< (http://contracts.onecle.com/thq/microsoft.lic.2003.01.31.shtml)
oh, and many people liked halo and it has a huge fanbase because it had ZERO competition. this was already said pages ago....
That doesnt\' seem to matter. The game is still in the top 10, as Nu pointed out, despite there being many options on other consoles...Red Faction, Time Splitters, Eden, etc.
Halo is just really good at what it does, that seems to be enough for people. Get over it.
and roughly 20% of the original owners have preorderd, thats hardly alot
One, the preorders/presales aren\'t over yet. Two, bet you can\'t name 5 other console games that have achieved those numbers pre-release...ever. Three, find out just how many games actually reach one million sales. You\'ll find it\'s a very elite crowd.
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The Platinum Hits program on the Xbox has a much more vague concept. From what I can tell a game just has to sell "well" and be out for 9 months before it\'s considered for platinum status.
easily explainable ! microsoft is king at screwing people off :) if a game still sell good after the 9 month mark, they arent gonna make it platinum and lower the price, since people still buy it at higher price anyway !
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That\'s true and that\'s basically what\'s said in one of those links I provided.
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Halo is just really good at what it does
except 60fps, and not using the same 4 environments, eh?
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except 60fps, and not using the same 4 environments, eh?
those included.
5.5 million sales and counting;)
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Sales=King
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lmao:laughing:
mm = owned
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sales = king
correct
gink, you tired of dancing yet?
so what exactly was halo\'s competition?
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You\'re the one running around in circles, you\'ll end up quitting this long before I will or have you already forgotten about the Fable thread?;)
If I\'m not mistaken there were several FPS available on PS2 before the release of Halo and there have been a few released since. Yet, people keep buying Xbox\'s and Halo...can you explain that?
Can you explain why Halo is still in the top 10 sales in North America while the other FPS have dropped off the radar? Could it possibly be because Halo is just a good game? Care to explain otherwise?
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Alright, let\'s just end this discussion with this.
FPS > Console > Crap
FPS > PC > Good
HALO > Over-rated.
DOOM 3 > Average
Half-Life > Excellent
Sales > King
Therefor..
Halo > King of console FPS > but FPS on console is crap?
Oh and HALO 2 already pirated.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/14/news_6110539.html
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Halo=good game
Halo2 pirated=still as good as non-pirated
end of story
bye bye :p
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this forum is pure evil
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so there you go (yet again) comparing it to Ps2 titles
you should know that is hardly a way to insult me, or drag me into a console vs console debate.
what was halo\'s competition on the xbox?
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1)other decent games didnt have competition on XBOX in launch but never got the same praise
2)Timesplitters1 didnt have competition on PS2 when it was released yet it was never praised as much as Halo
3)If the game sucks it sucks.You arent forced to buy it.Halo1 is not.Even the few flaws the game has cant make it a bad game.Great games with flaws arent few
4)You said Sales=king.Thanks for admiting the greatness of Halo1 ;)
Nithing else matters.SALES=KING
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wait, your post had PS2 in it, im forced to stop reading there
as if the other ignorance wasnt enough
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Why dont you ever put some effort to see the point of other people\'s arguements?But why do I ask?Its just doesnt satisfy your interest
This isnt an example of PS2 and XBOX comparisson funny man.Its a comparisson of how well a game without competition did compared to another that belongs in the same genre.
Timesplitters=FPS=No competition when released=praise
and
Halo=FPS=No competition when released=more praise than Timesplitters1
get it?
It cant get simpler than that.If you still dont get it you should probably take some IQ tests.
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I.. I couldn\'t find a bigger white box.
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... I\'m sorry. :(
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Oh, and TimeSplitters as a FPS had no competition, but as a game it was overwhelmed by other competition. SSX was the big system seller at launch, Madden then took over after that. In fact, you\'re playing into mm\'s hands in that the PS2 had a lot of quality games and the sales were split between them. I don\'t think any of the major PS2 launch games sold particularly more than any other.. perhaps Midnight Club, SSX and Tekken Tag were the biggest.
I prefer Ginko\'s arguement. Other FPS\'s are available at the moment on the XBox, some of which are considered by many to be worthy competitors to Halo (TimeSplitters 2 being the best example, IMO) however it dropped off the face of the planet after a few weeks. Yet, Halo is still continuing to power on.
And I still don\'t think you understand what mm means when he says Sales = King.
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You can\'t steal my joke.
:(
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Originally posted by mm
so there you go (yet again) comparing it to Ps2 titles
Well, first of all there were some quality titles available on Xbox at launch. Dead or Alive 3 and Project Gotham Racing both achieved over one million in sales whether you like it or not.
Second I think it\'s important to mention that the game, Halo, has moved into a third of the entire userbase for Xbox. A mediocre game would not move that many units on any account. There were options on PS2, perhaps not so good but they were there. There have also been games released since then, on all three consoles, that have dropped off the radar. Halo was and remains an attractive choice. The game is a system seller, the reviews have proved it and the fact that it\'s still on the top 10 sales almost three years later prove it.
Shame on Bungie for releasing a good game? I really don\'t see what you\'re trying to prove here. The bottom line is that Halo has sold 5.5 million, remains a top seller, and the sequel is coming out very soon with a record setting pre-sale.
you should know that is hardly a way to insult me, or drag me into a console vs console debate.
was this directed at me?
what was halo\'s competition on the xbox?
answered above
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I came here looking for leaked pics of Halo 2 and Jesus, I can\'t beleive you guys are still having the same argument as you did when I left, what....two years ago? haha
Ginko has made a devastating argument, but the response will be pc port, bad textures, framerate, etc (this applies to all things xbox). Even though the sales, reviews, preorders and popular opinion suggests otherwise.
I\'ve been away, fill me in, has mm EVER liked a mainstream, popular xbox game? I think I already know the answer. :)
It must be killing a certain minority of people around here that 1. Xbox has become cool 2. Xbox has outsold PS2 in monthly sales 3. Xbox has the most hyped, preordered game ever 4. Xbox has had many excellent exclusive games.
I almost wish I were here to see that.
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i stated repeatedly that i liked halo, untill i beat it, than it sucked
xbox outsold ps2 for what, one month?
while your here watch, how much profit has the xbox made microsoft?
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I came here looking for leaked pics of Halo 2 and Jesus, I can\'t beleive you guys are still having the same argument as you did when I left, what....two years ago? haha
Ginko has made a devastating argument, but the response will be pc port, bad textures, framerate, etc (this applies to all things xbox). Even though the sales, reviews, preorders and popular opinion suggests otherwise.
I\'ve been away, fill me in, has mm EVER liked a mainstream, popular xbox game? I think I already know the answer. :)
It must be killing a certain minority of people around here that 1. Xbox has become cool 2. Xbox has outsold PS2 in monthly sales 3. Xbox has the most hyped, preordered game ever 4. Xbox has had many excellent exclusive games.
I almost wish I were here to see that.
Let me first of all say that I have a grin from ear to ear. Very cool to see you stop by.
mm hasn\'t changed much since you left, if anything his posts have become less of a witty comic relief to just plain annoying. If you want a laugh take a look at the Fable thread in this forum. You can\'t miss it, it\'s about 14 pages long and had no signs of slowing down until mm locked it. I made a spin-off thread, "the state of gaming", from one of his comments in the fable thread.
You haven\'t missed all that much regarding Xbox, most of what you\'re referring to can be found in the last month worth of posts. I never bothered posting that Xbox has been neck and neck with PS2, outselling it a few times.
Anyway, good to see you.:)
i stated repeatedly that i liked halo, untill i beat it, than it sucked
xbox outsold ps2 for what, one month?
while your here watch, how much profit has the xbox made microsoft?
lol, shifting subjects again? Why don\'t you try and address any of the points I\'ve made? I\'d be impressed if you bothered with one of them.
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because you never do, just attempt to drag me down in the cirlce with you guys
and whats fable? last weeks flicker
/yawn
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wow
I just don\'t get why you come in here. You\'re trying to hang on to your theory that Halo only did well because there was no competition yet everyone in this thread has disagreed with you and not only that several of them have questioned your logic. All this going on and all you do is repeat your ridiculous theory while ignoring answers.
You claim that Halo only did well because there wasn\'t any competition. That doesn\'t explain why the game is still in the top ten, why it has sold 5.5 million leaving other console FPS in the dust, and the sequel has record breaking pre-sales.
Those are the points myself and others have made. My guess as to why you\'re not able to step up and make your point is that you don\'t have one, just like the Fable thread.
Seriously, ever wonder why it is nobody agrees with you?
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theory?
funny how you refuse to list the competition, than try and jack me for the same
:rolleyes:
you bore me
oh, and ryu agrees with me, thats more than anything else :)
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LOL, you really do have blinders on. I mentioned Time Splitters, Red Faction, and Eden for FPS console games about a page or two back. Then I refered to it twice. It\'s really like you\'re trying to pin some sort of fault on Bungie for releasing a superior game...that just doesn\'t make any sense.
quote where Ryu agreed with you. I actually remember him saying he doesn\'t see your logic but if you can spin it around I\'d love to see you try.;)
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I think you\'re referring to the "sales=king" comment and people would have to be a fool to disagree. What you fail to see is that Halo is the "king", at least when it comes to console FPS.
If anything, it seemed that Ryu was mocking you. Ryu, correct me if I\'m wrong.
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ginko, there was also 007: Agent under fire and I do believe they also released the ever popular counterstrike for XBOX.
Also Doom 3 for XBOX is coming out around the same time as Halo 2.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
ginko, there was also 007: Agent under fire and I do believe they also released the ever popular counterstrike for XBOX.
Also Doom 3 for XBOX is coming out around the same time as Halo 2.
Thank you, The Hurricane. I forgot about the entire Bond series and counter-strike.
BTW, do you know when Doom 3 is due out? I think eb has it listed for the end of this month but that can\'t be right...
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I was pointing out the incredible irony of saying sales = king and then someone rationalizing it by making a lameduck excuse about there not being any competition so I suppose it was indeed a mock statement.
If sales = king, and nothing, at the time, was out according to mm\'s statement, then you also have to realize that Halo did not sell 5.5 million copies in a month or two or three, but over the course of a few years much like all well made titles. If that\'s the case, then this lack of competition argument is so insanely moot and useless that it baffles the mind.
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gink, your listing ps2 games...
where was the competition on the xbox?
im just gonna close every thread where you numbskulls come close to implying that sales = king = quality
that is what what i said, and it is still not what im saying
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hmmm, I thought this was wrapped up with that finishing blow from Ryu. I suppose you turned a blind eye to that to?
BTW, Timesplitters, Counter Strike, and the Bond games are available on Xbox.
im just gonna close every thread where you numbskulls come close to implying that sales = king = quality
So basically you\'re going to abuse your admin powers if we don\'t agree with you? That\'s down right pathetic, shame on you.
Oh, and just because I like reminding you... Halo = 5.5 million sales. Halo 2 = one million+ presales. Looks like the popular vote is in, Halo is king. :p
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no, it\'s fukn sad that you guys after all these years keep attempting to twist my words around to your purpose, which is, btw the way, moot
last time, where was the competition?
oh, and what were GT3 sales, again?
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What\'s sad is that I\'ve repeated myself at least five times, maybe the sixth time is the charm? I\'ll be brief...
The competition has come and gone.
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oh, and what were GT3 sales, again?
Do you even know? I\'m not going to trust your 15 million figure as you blew up the Final Fantasy X figure over by at least 4 million. At least I provided a link.
EDIT2:>>>Gran Turismo Link: E3 2003<<< (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/402/402227p1.html)
It says the series, GT1-3, has accomplished 32 million in sales.
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Originally posted by mm
no, it\'s fukn sad that you guys after all these years keep attempting to twist my words around to your purpose, which is, btw the way, moot
last time, where was the competition?
oh, and what were GT3 sales, again?
No.You are so stubborn and have such a fixed idea with your invalid logic that when someone is trying to explain to you where you were wrong you fail to think and comprehend his point since you dont want to put the effort to do so.
Its not a coincidence so many people disagree with you.
And you are the one who is comparing exclusive popular PS2 games with XBOX first-appearance-games.
Also you seem to refer to sales so much.But you avoid mentioning the praise a game gets which doesnt necessarily have to do with sales.
FFX for example when it was released it made a record of sales.Kingdom Hearts on the other hand didnt sell as much.Yet it gets equal praise if not more.
Your sales/competition(no one forced gamers to like the game more than it deserved) arguement prooves nothing.
DMC2 sold a lot considering its garbage but it is viewed as one of the biggest dissapointments ever and its the people that bought it that say that.However this isnt the case with Halo.
Halo didnt just sell a lot.Its being praised as a great game.
Its an example of a title that sells because of its quality.Proof is the praise the game still gets, the reviews and the fact that its still in the top 10 charts unlike other titles that have sold thanks to other reasons like popularity
If you find flaws and call it shit after you finish it means nothing.You are a gamer among millions that own Halo
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quality?
30 fps and the same 4 levels over and over?
what did it have to compete with?
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Deja vu...
As Ryu said, Halo did not get 5.5 million sales over night, or in a month, or a year for that matter. Halo has remained in the top ten since its\' debut despite direct competition. It clearly indicates that Halo is of a quality that the masses demand. Perhaps you can spin an excuse as to why Timesplitters, Metroid Prime, Eden, Red Faction, Bond, and Counter Strike have simply come and gone while Halo\'s sales remain steady?
Anyway, I\'ll keep reminding you until you get it. Halo = 5.5 million sales. The masses have spoken and they don\'t care what you think.:)
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Originally posted by mm
quality?
30 fps and the same 4 levels over and over?
Unfortunately, not everyone thinks these flaws are as big as you make them out to be.
And to quote what I stated to LiC in the Bungie Weekly Update thread:
"And only three of those maps from the single player campaign were "repeated" later on in the game...- Pillar of Autumn/The Maw
- Truth & Reconciliation/Keyes
- Assault on the Control Room/Two Betrayals
... in order to extend the game\'s length. I say "repeated" because even though they were basically the same maps, different areas were present with different textures.[/i]
what did it have to compete with?
Some of it\'s competition since it\'s debut in 2k1, on the Xbox alone:
- Chronicles of Riddick
- Unreal Championship
- MoH: Frontline
- Nightfire
- Counterstrike
- Unreal 2
- Red Faction 2
- Return to Castle Wolfenstein
- Timesplitters 1&2
And just recently, Star Wars Battlefront. Any other big ones I\'m missing?
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Just one...
Bond 007: Everything or Nothing
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so ummm...i\'m not seeing it
unreal 2? red faction2?
not try
:rolleyes:
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Really?
You asked for the competition and Nu made a really nice list for you...those blinders again, huh? Can I suggest you take them off?
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Missed another big one: Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow.
Most of those titles were rated moderely high, mm. RF2 was given somewhere around a 8.9, am I right? S\'funny how you choose to pick only 2 out of nearly 10 quality FPS that have come and gone since the Xbox\'s launch in 2k1. HALO\'s still sellin\' hundreds of thousand of copies even with said comp, and teh 30fps!1 :p
And again, this is only on the Xbox. We have to take into consideration that there have been other alternatives on the PS2, GCN, and PC since it\'s launch as well. Yet HALO continues to sell. If it was not a quality game, everybody would have known by know, it wouldn\'t be selling like this, preorders for HALO 2 wouldn\'t be so high(read: record setting).
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Well, mm, I know you don\'t think much of Halo at all so why aren\'t games such as Red Faction and the list that was made above not on par with it? If Halo didn\'t raise the bar and the game is repetetive, I\'m sure at least one of those games up there is 60FPS and has varied environments. If that\'s the case, then surely, you can attest to the fact that there was obviously plenty of competition for the subpar Halo... except of course with sales of which there is indeed no competition at all. ;)
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what bar exactly, did it raise?
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This is good stuff.
Truth be told, I\'m not the biggest Halo fan in the world. The repetitive levels realy didn\'t annoy me though. I hate that the pistol is the only weapon you need. I hate that MC practically crawls around--how slowly is he going to move when he\'s a geriatric? I hate Bungie\'s multiplayer map design--I mean ****ing ladders in MP maps? There\'s no flow or thought of MP mechanics. I hate that, because of the above problems, you cannot get out of a firefight without being severely damaged and easy prey for the next guy.
Having said all that, halo is still the best FPS on PS2 or xbox (never played a GC FPS--it\'s too kiddy to have any, right? I keed, I keed!). The AI is still unmatched, thrilling and a damn pleasure to play against. The vehicles rock. And for two years I played that damn game.
Anyone who questions the quality or brillance of Bungie\'s six month project has some serious issues. Sure, there are problems, there are no perfect games, at least I\'ve never played one.
Halo is overrated, there\'s no question. The problems with that game are many and varied. It\'s vision and ambition make it seem better than it really is though, but that doesn\'t mean it isn\'t great.
No, sales do not equal quality, but the fact that it\'s consistently been in the top ten in sales for the past three years IS remarkable. If it sold a million in the first year and then quietly went away. If it sold that many copies while a bargin title. If it saw a great reduction in price, perhaps an argument could be made--but none of these things has happened.
The fact that H2 has well over a million preorders a month before drop date is a ****ing phenomenon. Competition or not, there isn\'t an argument that can be made to refute the major franchise that Halo has become--and I guess that\'s why, for seven pages, you haven\'t even attempted to make one.
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Watchdog wins.
gg
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I hope he stays...
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Watchdog where ya been? Welcome back, please stay...
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wow watchdog just shut everything and mm down...there\'s nothing more to be said..thread closed...oops! i wish i was a mod :p
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You do know mm will just ignore all the facts that are against him and embrace everything that backs him up. It\'s the mm way.
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souly
forum for bad PC advise is that way
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thanks watch
Halo is overrated
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Not seen him in awhile.
Welcome back.
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Yah.. but where was he when we invited him to GameTrigger? Bastard. ;)
Welcome back!
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Thanks for the welcome guys! It\'s good to see that all the regulars are still around. I\'ve spent a lot of time on GA, but I still can\'t name you a single poster there. Very few of them seem to have any personality. But seeing all these names again brings back hours of stubborn arguments. If I were a sensitive man, I\'d\'ve cried.
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You post on GAF too? What\'s your username there? You\'re right though, few have personality and those who do are somehow places on some lofty pedastal above others. It\'s odd.
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Naw, I\'m just a lurker there. I\'ve never been motivated to register. I like it because it has a lot of industry types there, but never felt the urge to contribute.
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Halo 2 Passes 1.5 Million Pre-Orders!
Guard your copy with your life! :laughing:
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Press Release (http://www.gamegossip.com/pressrelease.php?id=10467)
REDMOND, Wash. — Oct. 19, 2004 — There hasn’t been this much anticipation for an otherworldly touchdown since Neil Armstrong first walked on the moon. With three weeks to go before the game hits store shelves, pre-orders for “Halo® 2” – the highly anticipated Xbox® exclusive from Microsoft Game Studios – have eclipsed the 1.5 million mark in the United States. With phenomenal record-breaking video game pre-orders, “Halo 2” is poised to generate more revenue in 24 hours than day one sales of any full feature movie in entertainment history, including “Spider-man 2,” “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban” and “Matrix: Reloaded.”
In the U.S., the anticipation builds to a fever pitch on Nov. 9 when thousands of shoppers line up to be among the first to get their hands on the action-packed thriller. The first copy of “Halo 2” will be distributed at a Midnight Madness event at the largest Toys “R” Us in the world located in Times Square, New York. Toys “R” Us Times Square will open its doors at 12 midnight on November 9, and deliver the first retail copy of the game to a lucky fan.
“The original ‘Halo’ is still a top ten title three years after it hit shelves, and the buzz for the sequel is off the charts,” said John Barbour, president, Toys “R” Us, U.S. “We can think of no more appropriate place to unveil ‘Halo 2’ than the site Xbox first launched–Toys “R” Us Times Square.”
More than 6,500 U.S. participating retailers*- including Gamestop, EB Games, Best Buy, Gamecrazy, Game Rush, Circuit City, Kmart Super Center stores and FYE, will open their doors at 12:01 a.m. on Tuesday, Nov. 9 to allow for sales of “Halo 2,” Xbox consoles and Xbox Live™ Starter Kits.
The global launch of “Halo 2” will also be marked by celebrations from November 9 through November 11 at more than 1,125 retail stores in cities around the world including London, Seoul, Toronto and Sydney. “Halo 2” will be translated into seven languages (Japanese, Korean, traditional Chinese, Spanish, French, German and Italian) and will be distributed in 27 countries.
“‘Halo 2’ is expected to be the biggest 24 hours for a video game title in retail history and is projected to bring in more revenue than any day one box office blockbuster movie in the United States,” said Peter Moore, corporate vice president of worldwide publishing and marketing for Xbox. “We call it the Halo 2 effect. We’ve even heard rumors of fan anticipation of the ‘Halo 2 flu’ on November 9.”
“Halo 2,” the follow up to the marquee Xbox title, “Halo: Combat Evolved,” was selected for the Toys “R” Us Joy List as one of the expected top sellers this holiday season. “Halo 2” utilizes Xbox Live to redefine online play, delivering superior online multiplayer capabilities, which allow gamers to engage with or against friends from around the world in an effort to save humankind.
Developed exclusively for Xbox by Bungie Studios, part of Microsoft Game Studios, the original “Halo” has sold more than 5 million copies worldwide and spawned a legion of powerful devotees who participate in competitions, tournaments and game nights.
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going to be alot of hurt feelings on november 10th
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:stupid:
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superdog is cool:cool:
After seeking out more impressions of Halo 2 I\'ve come to notice that people are starting to settle down and realize that it\'s not just Halo 1.5. I\'m seeing more positive reactions the more they play it, much like Boz in the other thread.
Halo 2 is still my most aniticipated game this season...
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My brother has it and he had the same reactions (too bad he lives about 1100 miles away!). He and his friends weren\'t that blown away at first, but now, he said "It\'s the best FPS on a console (he\'s an old school TF type), and easily game of the year."
He compared the polish of the game to PGR2. Everything is slick and solid apparently.
The graphics aren\'t as good as riddick at first glance, but riddick isn\'t MP or as huge as H2. He expected the MP graphics to be better, but the SP are "crazy".
He still has some gripes about the map design though. :(
When I asked about which was his favourite weapon, he couldn\'t give me a firm answer so hopefully there aren\'t the horrible imbalances that plagued Halo.
They\'ve also spent hours blowing shit up and playing with the physics (that are tremendously better this time around apparently).
Gee, I wouldn\'t mind playing this game...sometime.
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All the guns give you a fair chance in a fight, the gap is definitely closed between the best and worst. The big problem now though is the sword. You can dominate with the sword on certain levels just as much as you could with the pistol in Halo 1.
As for the maps offered, they\'re much different from the ones in Halo 1. Some I don\'t think I\'ll ever like but playing lastnight for hours some of them grow on you. They just play out much different. Their wasn\'t such a need to hold down a certain area, it\'s mostly run and gun.
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From what little I\'ve seen of the Energy Sword, it is a monster. I refuse to believe Bungie just overlooked that balance issue. It\'s not even all that hard to find/retrieve in most maps save Zanzibar(and even with Zanzibar, it\'s debatable. People found simple ways of getting to it during E32k4 :p). There has to be some way to avoid that quick as all hell lunge attack, there just has to be.
And the more I read about the game, the more impressed I am. I imagine that when I first play it on Nov. 9th, the changes will bother me a bit, but I\'ll gradually accept it as a much better game than the first(which it really is, I mean LIVE multiplayer alone puts it way above the first).
And then, there\'s the thought of DLC. Bungie said they\'d support the game through DLC in a big way. I imagine they weren\'t just talking about Multiplayer when they said that...
New missions? HMMM!...
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You know what would be cool, Online Co-op mode!
Maybe in Halo 3.
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What would be almost as cool and horribly easy to implement:
System-Link Co-op mode!
But, y\'know, Bungie hates us. So it\'s not in.
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I mean Battlefield 1942 & Star Wars Battlefront have it, it is so concievable!
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What up Watch!
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Gamestop here on Guam has over 1,000 pre-orders and counting. They are calling all staff to be in at 12am November 9. It\'s gonna be hell.
oh btw, I just started playing Halo a few months ago, and it is a very fun multiplayer FPS. I haven\'t had this much fun with an FPS since Goldeneye on the n64.
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Good to see you\'re still around, Jumpman.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I mean Battlefield 1942 & Star Wars Battlefront have it, it is so concievable!
This whole leak thing is probably just an elaborate scam to make people think there is no online/system link co op...and Bozco is in on it...maybe not:)
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[Walks in]
Dam, I knew I shoulda takin\' that left turn at Albuquerque.
[Walks out]