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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on October 13, 2004, 04:28:42 AM
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OK, let me preface this with one thing, I\'m a white man.
I just can\'t figure out this whole deal with blacks in Florida and why they whine about not getting to vote.
"Nearly a dozen African American ministers and civil rights leaders walked into the Duval County election office here, television cameras in tow, with a list of questions: How come there were not more early voting sites closer to black neighborhoods? How come so many blacks were not being allowed to redo incomplete voter registrations? Who was deciding all this?"
I don\'t get it.
"A Washington Post analysis found nearly three times the number of flagged Democratic registrations as Republican. Broken down by race, no group had more flagged registrations than blacks.
This, in a heavily GOP county where records show that the numbers of blacks added to the rolls since 2000 approximately equals the number of non-Hispanic whites.
Some registrations were missing critical information, such as a signature. Others had different problems, with some people listing post office boxes instead of street addresses or putting street addresses on the wrong line. "
This has nothing to do with being black!!!! This is about being friggen stupid!!! IF you don\'t sign the damn thing or you fill it out incorrectly, how in the hell are they suposed to process it. You have to have a signature for absentee verification. You have to have the right address so you get the right polling location and you don\'t apply more than one time. Whoa is me, whoa is me. I\'m dissenfranchised. I filled out my paperwork completely wrong and they aren\'t leting me vote.
BTW, I voted last week absentee. Hope they count mine.
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I agree Vid, I found an interesting article from a black man on this very issue:
By Ken Hughes
Oct. 11, 2004
Again John Kerry has teamed up with those two modern Black Slave Masters Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpten. According to Jackson and Sharpten if President Bush is reelected slavery is behind the next door. Nothing could be further from the truth. I’ve been paying very close attention to the rallies both candidates attend. One fact stands out there are more black faces at a Bush event than at a Kerry event. They’re not being exploited they just stand there like everyone else, Their Bush supporters not Black Bush supporters.
Have you ever noticed President Bush never hyphenates anyone by color or class?
The Bush administration has more Black Cabinet members and Officials than all the Democratic Administrations that preceded it. The difference between President Bush and Senator Kerry, the President doesn’t run up the “ One of my best friends is Black” flag he just accepts blacks as people capable of doing a good job and lets the Kerry’s, Jackson’s and Sharpten’s play the race card.
Talk about your nuances and metaphors, Jesse Jackson is quoted as saying, “ November 2nd the power is in your hands, hands that once picked cotton”. Now I ask you how many African Americans living in Harlem have ever picked cotton?
Senator Kerry is quoted as saying “ No African American will be denied their right to vote” How is Senator Kerry going to undo all the laws in most of the states that prevent felons from voting, most disenfranchised blacks are felons? Neither Democrats nor Republicans have the power to refuse anyone the right to vote because of color. Color is not included on any registration application that I know of. The American public would never allow a precinct worker to turn someone away from a ballet box because of color. Again its the modern Black Slave Masters doing what ever it takes telling any lie to hold on to the power they have over their congregations.
In the past few months I’ve gotten several e- mails from young Black University students asking for my assistance in writing essays why blacks should vote? Most are concerned with their being instructed on how to vote. In order not to pass on my conservative bias I have engaged Claxton Graham a liberal to assist in offering balanced advice. We both advise their vote belongs to them and not to some self-appointed leader of their community. Those days are coming to a close thank God.
Al Sharpten suggests if President Bush is reelected and has the power to appoint new members to the Supreme Court He will appoint members who will reinstate slavery. This is the same President who appointed General Powell and Dr. Rice to two of the highest positions in the Government. Al you need to get back on your medication.
Charles Rangel a House Democrat, Harlem’s answer to Teddy Kennedy introduced a bill in congress to reinstate the draft then through surrogates tried to pass it off as a Bush plan. When challenged he said if we had a draft there would never have been a war. Excuse me but isn’t that the reason for a draft to conscript men to go to war. Congressman Rangel is in effect insulting all those brave man and women who so proudly serve, many are black and each one a volunteer. This is not unlike Senator Kerry who insults our Allies casts disparaging remarks about the new Leaders of Iraq and expects to build an International Coalition. Not in my neighborhood.
IMO this guy hits all the points. From disenfranchised voters to the propaganda spread by some of the black communities most prominant leaders.
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This is so true like Giga and Vid have said, they say all these people were turned away, but for what reasons other than being black do they give??? Gimme a break its not cuz they were black, if I was a felon or didn\'t do my stuff right then I wouldn\'t be voting either.
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While I agree that Sharpton and Jackson are clowns to say that this is not a problem is completely wrong. People always try to encourage their opponent supporters to not vote. When it comes to black voters the vote overwhelmingly Democrat so they are an easy target for Republican supporters.
Millions Blocked from Voting in U.S. Election
by Alan Elsner
WASHINGTON - Millions of U.S. citizens, including a disproportionate number of black voters, will be blocked from voting in the Nov. 2 presidential election because of legal barriers, faulty procedures or dirty tricks, according to civil rights and legal experts.
There are individuals and officials who are actively trying to stop people from voting who they think will vote against their party and that nearly always means stopping black people from voting Democratic.
Mary Frances Berry, head of the U.S. Commission on Human Rights
The largest category of those legally disenfranchised consists of almost 5 million former felons who have served prison sentences and been deprived of the right to vote under laws that have roots in the post-Civil War 19th century and were aimed at preventing black Americans from voting.
But millions of other votes in the 2000 presidential election were lost due to clerical and administrative errors while civil rights organizations have cataloged numerous tactics aimed at suppressing black voter turnout. Polls consistently find that black Americans overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.
"There are individuals and officials who are actively trying to stop people from voting who they think will vote against their party and that nearly always means stopping black people from voting Democratic," said Mary Frances Berry, head of the U.S. Commission on Human Rights.
Vicky Beasley, a field officer for People for the American Way, listed some of the ways voters have been "discouraged" from voting.
"In elections in Baltimore in 2002 and in Georgia last year, black voters were sent fliers saying anyone who hadn\'t paid utility bills or had outstanding parking tickets or were behind on their rent would be arrested at polling stations. It happens in every election cycle," she said.
In a mayoral election in Philadelphia last year, people pretending to be plainclothes police officers stood outside some polling stations asking people to identify themselves. There have also been reports of mysterious people videotaping people waiting in line to vote in black neighborhoods.
Minority voters may be deterred from voting simply by election officials demanding to see drivers\' licenses before handing them a ballot, according to Spencer Overton, who teaches law at George Washington University. The federal government does not require people to produce a photo identification unless they are first-time voters who registered by mail.
"African Americans are four to five times less likely than whites to have a photo ID," Overton said at a recent briefing on minority disenfranchisement.
Courtenay Strickland of the Americans Civil Liberties Union testified to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights last week that at a primary election in Florida last month, many people were wrongly turned away when they could not produce identification.
BLACKS\' BALLOTS REJECTED
The commission, in a report earlier this year, said that in Florida, where President Bush won a bitterly disputed election in 2000 by 537 votes, black voters had been 10 times more likely than non-black voters to have their ballots rejected and were often prevented from voting because their names were erroneously purged from registration lists.
Additionally, Florida is one of 14 states that prohibit ex-felons from voting. Seven percent of the electorate but 16 percent of black voters in that state are disenfranchised.
In other swing states, 4.6 percent of voters in Iowa, but 25 percent of blacks, were disenfranchised in 2000 as ex-felons. In Nevada, it was 4.8 percent of all voters but 17 percent of blacks; in New Mexico, 6.2 percent of all voters but 25 percent of blacks.
In total, 13 percent of all black men are disenfranchised due to a felony conviction, according to the Commission on Civil Rights.
"This has a huge effect on elections but also on black communities which see their political clout diluted. No one has yet explained to me how letting ex-felons who have served their sentences into polling booths hurts anyone," said Jessie Allen of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.
Penda Hair, co-director of the Advancement Project, which seeks to ensure fair multiracial elections, recently reported that registrars across the country often claimed not to have received voter registration forms or rejected them for technical reasons that could have been corrected easily before voting day if the applicant had known there was a problem.
Beasley said that many voters who had registered recently in swing states were likely to find their names would not be on the rolls when they showed up on Election Day.
"There is very widespread delay in the swing states because there have been massive registration drives among minorities and those applications are not being processed quickly enough," she said.
This is not a case of "Umm.....I\'m too stupid to know what I\'m doing." This is a case of people making minor mistakes on voter registrations and being denied the right to vote because of it. If I make a mistake on my voter registration in August I don\'t expect to go to the polls in November and be turned away because no one ever told me I about it. That is wrong no matter how bad you want to turn this into a case of black people whining for whining\'s sake.
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OK, you register to vote. You make an error. If you don\'t get your voter card in the mail, then obvioulsy there is something wrong.
And why is it up to the voter\'s registration people to tell you that you\'re an idiot and didn\'t sign it.
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Some say those who break the law lack the trustworthiness to make it. Todd Gaziano of the Heritage Foundation argues that felons might form some kind of "anti-law-enforcement bloc" and elect bad officials. But last year Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors stated a bald truth: "As frank as I can be," he said, "we\'re opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don\'t tend to vote Republican." He is right: People with low incomes, low education or minority status -- all benchmarks of convict populations -- vote Democratic 65 to 90 percent of the time.
How can ANYONE argue that this is right?
Giga is always talking about the intolerance of leftist groups while these ELECTED OFFICIALS are admitting they do not want to give felons the right to vote because they don\'t vote republican. But of course Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson said something about it so that makes the issue not worth discussing. Thats how those tolerant people on the right roll. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by videoholic
OK, you register to vote. You make an error. If you don\'t get your voter card in the mail, then obvioulsy there is something wrong.
And why is it up to the voter\'s registration people to tell you that you\'re an idiot and didn\'t sign it.
Not everyone gets voter cards.
It is up to the voter registration people to tell you that you made an error because THAT IS THEIR JOB. They are supposed to assist the people in getting registered to vote. If there is an error in the registration process they are supposed to inform you so that you have the opportunity to correct the error.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
How can ANYONE argue that this is right?
Giga is always talking about the intolerance of leftist groups while these ELECTED OFFICIALS are admitting they do not want to give felons the right to vote because they don\'t vote republican. But of course Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson said something about it so that makes the issue not worth discussing. Thats how those tolerant people on the right roll. :rolleyes:
Felons shouldn\'t vote - period. The only reason Democrats want them to be allowed to vote is because they are soft on crime and punishment and thus, will garner convict votes.
This is really beside the point - these laws have been on the books for a decade or more and they were made by bi partisan committee\'s. The only reason the issue is coming up now is because Democrats are trying to get every possible vote they can - whether it is from convicts to illegal immigrants.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Not everyone gets voter cards.
It is up to the voter registration people to tell you that you made an error because THAT IS THEIR JOB. They are supposed to assist the people in getting registered to vote. If there is an error in the registration process they are supposed to inform you so that you have the opportunity to correct the error.
Once again - this is part of the problem with the black community - they don\'t take responsibility. Passing the responsibilty and saying it is "their job" is no excuse. If you don\'t get your electric bill in the mail and consequently don\'t make the payment, do you think that excuse would fly with the electric company after they have turned your power off?
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Giga, wtf are you talking about?
You cannot take away felons rights to vote. Not all people that commit crimes are bad people.
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Let\'s get this straight. We\'re talking about EX-FELONS, right? You can\'t vote while you\'re incarcerated, so we must be discussing those who were convicted of a felony, served their time, and were released.
Why shouldn\'t they vote? Are they not citizens anymore? They are already effectively banned from working any normal job by standard corporate hiring practices. Now you want to strip away their citizenship rights as well? That is complete BS.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Giga, wtf are you talking about?
You cannot take away felons rights to vote. Not all people that commit crimes are bad people.
WTF are you talking about??? Not all people that commit crimes are bad people? :laughing:
It is the LAW. I didn\'t make it - states have made them and they have been on the books for a long time. You commit a felony - and yes you shouldn\'t be able to vote IMO. Regardless if you have served your time. Voting is viewed as a priviledge, not a right by many states. I tend to agree.
Besides this is a moot point since nothing is going to change prior to November 2.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Felons shouldn\'t vote - period. The only reason Democrats want them to be allowed to vote is because they are soft on crime and punishment and thus, will garner convict votes.
This is really beside the point - these laws have been on the books for a decade or more and they were made by bi partisan committee\'s. The only reason the issue is coming up now is because Democrats are trying to get every possible vote they can - whether it is from convicts to illegal immigrants.
Why not? Why should someone that has been convicted of a crime and paid their debt to society in prison lose their right to vote? Are they no longer citizens? It is not about being "soft on crime" no one is saying let prisoners out of jail. Voting is a right not a privilege.
You are always trying to paint the democrats as the problem in every solution. Get your head out of your ass and see that this is a Republican issue. all of the states that deny felons/ex-felons the right to vote are conservative states. To say that you don\'t want a particular part of society to vote because they will not vote for you leads to the very definition of being disenfranchised.
BTW, Its not Kerry who proposed giving amnesty to all illegal aliens.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Once again - this is part of the problem with the black community - they don\'t take responsibility. Passing the responsibilty and saying it is "their job" is no excuse. If you don\'t get your electric bill in the mail and consequently don\'t make the payment, do you think that excuse would fly with the electric company after they have turned your power off?
What is there to take responsibility of? If you do not even know that you made a mistake on an application how are you supposed to fix it? If I put my mailing address on a form instead of my home address(in a box labelled only "Address") does that mean I\'ve lost my right to vote?
Your analogy is ridiculous. How do you compare a paid consumer service with a government provided service?
BTW, If your house burns down because the firemen didn\'t want to come do you say "oh well, I shouldn\'t have lived next door to a smoker. This is my fault"? That is pretty much what you are alluding to and it makes no sense.
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Voting is viewed as a priviledge, not a right by many states.
Bullshit! And you say you believe in freedom?
Give me a break.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Let\'s get this straight. We\'re talking about EX-FELONS, right? You can\'t vote while you\'re incarcerated, so we must be discussing those who were convicted of a felony, served their time, and were released.
Why shouldn\'t they vote? Are they not citizens anymore? They are already effectively banned from working any normal job by standard corporate hiring practices. Now you want to strip away their citizenship rights as well? That is complete BS.
These are the breakdowns when it comes to voter restrictions:
- No restrictions (Maine, Vermont)
- Inmates Only (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Montana, North/South Dakota, Oregon, Utah, Louisiana, Hawaii)
- Inmates & Parolees (NY, Connecticut, Rhode Island, California, Colorado, Kansas)
- Inmates, Parolees, and Probationers (New Jersey, West Virginia, North/South Carolina, Georgia, Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Idaho, Alaska)
- Inmates, Parolees, Probationers, and Some or All Ex-Felons (Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, Tennesee, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Washington, Nevada, Arizona)
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Chime in on the belief that if you pay your debt to society. You should be able to vote as any other citizen can.
Then again I am a Democrat, and tend to believe Republicans are bible thumping doo gooders. That is until it is behind closed doors. Then all bets are off.
Quick Example: I had to do work for a churches computer network two weeks ago. This church is involved in politics, and is pushing for a Bush vote amoung their patrons. Essentially being all high and mighty. Yet on over a half of the pc\'s was porn, and illegally dled software. Including the preachers. It just erks me to no end. Maybe these good christian folks should get their voting rights revoked. They are dling illegally off the web. Copywrite infringment has to be getting close to a felony. Or atleast they were talking about it at one time.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Why not? Why should someone that has been convicted of a crime and paid their debt to society in prison lose their right to vote? Are they no longer citizens? It is not about being "soft on crime" no one is saying let prisoners out of jail. Voting is a right not a privilege.
You are always trying to paint the democrats as the problem in every solution. Get your head out of your ass and see that this is a Republican issue. all of the states that deny felons/ex-felons the right to vote are conservative states. To say that you don\'t want a particular part of society to vote because they will not vote for you leads to the very definition of being disenfranchised.
Criminals are disenfranchised - that is pretty funny. Democrats hard on crime? I didn\'t see anything pro capital punishment on their platform.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
BTW, Its not Kerry who proposed giving amnesty to all illegal aliens.
Never said he did. Giving them the right to vote without citizenship is an entirely different matter.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
What is there to take responsibility of? If you do not even know that you made a mistake on an application how are you supposed to fix it? If I put my mailing address on a form instead of my home address(in a box labelled only "Address") does that mean I\'ve lost my right to vote?
Your analogy is ridiculous. How do you compare a paid consumer service with a government provided service?
BTW, If your house burns down because the firemen didn\'t want to come do you say "oh well, I shouldn\'t have lived next door to a smoker. This is my fault"? That is pretty much what you are alluding to and it makes no sense.
Take responsiblity for your own stupidity. This whole cry of being disenfranchised is a joke. If someone can\'t fill out the form right - tough luck. It isn\'t the responsibilty of the people who work at voter registration offices to hold someones hand while filling out a registration form. If there is something I am not sure about when I fill out any form - I ask a question. This is a feeble attempt by you to pass the buck off on Republicans because some illiterate people couldn\'t fill out a registration form correctly. it is also not the responsibility of the government to call these people if something is wrong with their registration form. As vid said, if you don\'t get your card reasonably quickly something must be wrong - contact them. When I got my license here in AL I had my wife call me when my registration card came in the mail. I did put the priviledge of voting souly in the governments hands. If it had not come in a reasonible amount of time I would have followed up on it prior to the registration deadline.
My analogy makes perfect sense in that a non profit government agency as well a private service that relies on profits is not going to hold your hand and make sure you have dotted all your i\'s and crossed all your t\'s. People have a certain amount of self responsibilty that they have to answer to. It is your analogy that got lost somewhere between your brain and the keyboard.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
These are the breakdowns when it comes to voter restrictions:
- No restrictions (Maine, Vermont)
- Inmates Only (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Montana, North/South Dakota, Oregon, Utah, Louisiana, Hawaii)
- Inmates & Parolees (NY, Connecticut, Rhode Island, California, Colorado, Kansas)
- Inmates, Parolees, and Probationers (New Jersey, West Virginia, North/South Carolina, Georgia, Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Idaho, Alaska)
- Inmates, Parolees, Probationers, and Some or All Ex-Felons (Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, Tennesee, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Washington, Nevada, Arizona)
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DH this backs up my point - voting is a priviledge. Thanks for the info BS.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Criminals are disenfranchised - that is pretty funny. Democrats hard on crime? I didn\'t see anything pro capital punishment on their platform.
Did I ever say that Democrats were hard on crime? What does that have to do with giving EX-felons the right to vote?
BTW, Capital punishment has no relevance to the topic at hand.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Take responsiblity for your own stupidity. This whole cry of being disenfranchised is a joke. If someone can\'t fill out the form right - tough luck. It isn\'t the responsibilty of the people who work at voter registration offices to hold someones hand while filling out a registration form. If there is something I am not sure about when I fill out any form - I ask a question. This is a feeble attempt by you to pass the buck off on Republicans because some illiterate people couldn\'t fill out a registration form correctly. it is also not the responsibility of the government to call these people if something is wrong with their registration form. As vid said, if you don\'t get your card reasonably quickly something must be wrong - contact them.
It is their responsibility to inform you of your mistake and give you the information to correct it. That is their job. All they do is take voters applications. Those that are fine are put in a database. Those that have mistakes are marked and the person is mailed another form and a letter telling them what was wrong with their original. That is their job. If they do NOT inform you of your mistake then they are not doing their job. I just don\'t understand how you can say it is a certain group of people\'s fault that another group didn\'t do what they were supposed to.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
My analogy makes perfect sense in that a non profit government agency as well a private service that relies on profits is not going to hold your hand and make sure you have dotted all your i\'s and crossed all your t\'s. People have a certain amount of self responsibilty that they have to answer to. It is your analogy that got lost somewhere between your brain and the keyboard.
Dude, you are comparing a fully formed private company that has no obligation to the consumer but to provide a paid service with a government agency which, being non-profit, has only one obligation which IS the consumer.
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How did a thread talking about blacks being disenfranchised turn into talking about criminals?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
DH this backs up my point - voting is a priviledge. Thanks for the info BS.
It really can be argued either way. Personally I believe that it is a right but it can be argued that it is a privilege.
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Criminals are disenfranchised - that is pretty funny. Democrats hard on crime?
Now I know Giga isnt stupid by any means, but its simple things like this and a couple other issues, that you just love to twist (perhaps intentionally or perhaps not). Is it always to be inferred that when somebody says that democrats arent soft on crime (or something of the sort) is wrong, then the case is just the complete opposite? That is just stupid, plain and simple.
People claim democrats to be the kings and queens of the "grey area." So that must mean that Republicans see things in more concrtete and almost black and white fashion? Im not saying this is true but it doesnt easily seem untrue. Things arent just black and white, so dont misconstrue things as being wrong and just the complete opposite. Its things of this nature that cause a loss to your credibility.
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Giga mentioned capital death. So in order to be hard on crime you have to kill all the criminals?
I think voting is a RIGHT and that when the fathers of the Constitution gave the people the right to vote they truly wanted every single US citizen to vote. It\'s the state\'s job to set up and have elections but it\'s not it\'s right to choose who votes and who doesn\'t.
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Give me a break. Felons shouldn\'t vote? If they are out of prison and they make an effort to vote, they should be able. Once out of prison , they have to get a job and pay taxes. People make mistakes and there is no reason for us to take something away from them for the rest of their life, if they have paid their debt to society. I am not arguing to let prisoners vote - I disagree with that. Instead, I think once they are out on their own, have a job then their voting rights should be restablished. You could even have a three strike rule if you wanted, three felonies and afterwards you can never vote again, but first time felons, who have completed their term, should be able to vote.
I love the logic on all this. You justify people not being able to vote for minor mistakes they don\'t even know they made! You then say if someone goes to prison, comes out and has a stable job, that when election comes around they shouldn\'t be able to vote. Do you see anything wrong with the two above comments? I know I do.
And once again, this thread turns into complete shit because Giga has to take his jabs at democrats, instead of simply debating the topic. Go figure. No one brought up capital punishment, but for some reason you felt compelled to bring that up and take a jab at democrats. Why? What does this have to do with the topic? Black Samurai said it best - get your head out of your ass.
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Again, I have to ask.. WHat does not allowing fellons to vote have to do with black people?
Why aren\'t white fellons being disenfranchised then?
THis is still not a black issue that people are making it out to be.
IT\'s a fellon issue.
And a retard issue for the people who put PO Boxes down as their address or don\'t sign the damn thing.
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The point is simple, black\'s typically vote democratic and now, they are being denied the vote by the goverment for small mistakes they didn\'t know they made. It\'s the goverments job to make sure everything is filled out correctly and notify people if it isn\'t. Apparently they aren\'t doing this and a high percent of these bad forms filled out are by black people.
See, it\'s simple.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And once again, this thread turns into complete shit because Giga has to take his jabs at democrats, instead of simply debating the topic. Go figure. No one brought up capital punishment, but for some reason you felt compelled to bring that up and take a jab at democrats. Why? What does this have to do with the topic? Black Samurai said it best - get your head out of your ass.
LIC you have to one of the dumbest people in this forum. I have debated the topic. You constantly turn this into an attack upon me. If you don\'t like what I say because I am a Republican then put me on ignore - please. Stop whining about the legitimate facts that I bring up that cast the Democrats in a negative light according to you.
Capital punishment has a lot to do with crime and how it handled by either party. You obviously don\'t see the big picture. Also you can thank yourself for turning this thread into complete shit with your obvious personal dislike towards myself. Get over it dork, go put on your cape and return to talking about comics as that seems to be your forte. :rolleyes:
Furthermore, I challenge you to a debate on any political topic you want. Just me and you. No one else involved as I will enjoy the opportunity to intellectually beat you and your views (however misguided they are) into the ground.
;)
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There is no private debate, that is a pathetic idea. Anything I have to say, I can say here. You are the one who plays ring around the rosies with every debate and then take jabs at democrats.
You are stuck up, arrogant, a fool and a Republican - but guess what? Just because you are all of the above, does not mean every Republican is. Unlike some people, (YOU) I can see beyond someone\'s political party preference.
Capital punishment has NOTHING to do with this topic. Not one damn thing and you have no big picture. Infact, criminals had nothing to do with the original subject. Go back to sticking your finger up your ass, as that seems to be your forta.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
There is no private debate, that is a pathetic idea. Anything I have to say, I can say here. You are the one who plays ring around the rosies with every debate and then take jabs at democrats.
You are stuck up, arrogant, a fool and a Republican - but guess what? Just because you are all of the above, does not mean every Republican is. Unlike some people, (YOU) I can see beyond someone\'s political party preference.
Capital punishment has NOTHING to do with this topic. Not one damn thing and you have no big picture. Infact, criminals had nothing to do with the original subject. Go back to sticking your finger up your ass, as that seems to be your forta.
Exactly how does capital punishment and the issue of crime not relate to each other? If criminals could vote why would they vote for a candidate that endorses capital punishment LIC? They wouldn\'t, very simple.
Again I ask, why can\'t I take jabs at Democrats? Stop avoiding the question. Am I not allowed to, but others such as you, Mystiq, BS and others are allowed to take jabs at this administration. You are a hypocrite.
If you could read you would see we were talking about disenfranchised voters and BS posted an article (scroll up) that stated this:
Additionally, Florida is one of 14 states that prohibit ex-felons from voting. Seven percent of the electorate but 16 percent of black voters in that state are disenfranchised.
In other swing states, 4.6 percent of voters in Iowa, but 25 percent of blacks, were disenfranchised in 2000 as ex-felons. In Nevada, it was 4.8 percent of all voters but 17 percent of blacks; in New Mexico, 6.2 percent of all voters but 25 percent of blacks.
In total, 13 percent of all black men are disenfranchised due to a felony conviction, according to the Commission on Civil Rights.
So jackass, that is how criminals were brought into this topic and it wasn\'t by me.
Nice excuse for not wanting to debate me - it wouldn\'t have been private - everyone would see it. You just don\'t have the balls.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I think voting is a RIGHT and that when the fathers of the Constitution gave the people the right to vote they truly wanted every single US citizen to vote.
For what its worth, when the founding fathers gave people the right to vote, only white male landowners could. So they thought of it as a privilege.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
For what its worth, when the founding fathers gave people the right to vote, only white male landowners could. So they thought of it as a privilege.
Excellent point BS. That is why many consider it a priviledge. Just ask women who were one of the last groups to get the right to vote.
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L-I-C...
Your opinion is greatly respected in the other forums but here, I\'d have to say you are way out of line...
I can\'t recall ever seeing you posting any facts, links, articles, new sources, etc to back up your argument, unlike Giga, Ace, BS, Core, and even Mystiq. It seems to mostly be insults and bitterness. Lighten up...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It\'s the goverments job to make sure everything is filled out correctly and notify people if it isn\'t. Apparently they aren\'t doing this and a high percent of these bad forms filled out are by black people.
See, it\'s simple.
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Does the government hold your dick for you when you go to take a piss or can you get it in the toilet all by yourself?
If you are stupid enough to not follow simple directions, then you shouldn\'t be allowed to vote.