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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ginko on October 30, 2004, 12:39:14 PM
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Halo 2 Scores
- Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/halo2/review.html) - 9.4
- IGN (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/557/557509p1.html) - 9.8
- Team Xbox (http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/833/Halo-2/p1/) - 9.9
- Famitsu Xbox - 37/40
- Famitsu - 34/40
- OXM US - 9.7/10
- OXM UK - 9.9
- EGM - 10, 10, 10
- XBGamers - 9.8
- Game Informer - 10
>>>Halo 2 on Game Rankings<<< (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/562116.asp)
The reviews have begun! First up is Famitsu Xbox
October 29, 2004 - Halo 2 is seeing a near simultaneous release worldwide -- a big improvement from the original where gamers in Japan were forced to wait over half a year for the greatness of Bungee\'s landmark first person shooter. A Japanese release means Japanese reviews, and today we spotted the first one on the pages of Famitsu Xbox, Japan\'s largest (and only) Xbox exclusive magazine.
In an issue that included reviews for two Japanese titles, Dead or Alive Ultimate (10, 9, 9, 8) an Fatal Frame 2 (8, 7, 8, 9), Halo 2 was given the most favorable rating of the month with a 10, 9, 9 and 9.
The magazine\'s editor-in-chief scored the game a ten and had this to say: "The battles are totally intense. It\'s been a while since I\'ve forgotten about sleep and food to this extent while playing a game." We\'ll skip the bit about the campaign mode in order continue the trend of avoiding spoilers, but the review finishes off with "Xbox users who play this will be truly happy. Seriously."
And those punks who gave the game a 9? Well, they didn\'t really have anything bad to say about the title, although some admitted to not being big on first person shooters. One reviewer, admitting his distaste for the genre, added, "A game that\'s well put together is of course fun," and "This is too fun!".
As posted in this public service announcement from earlier in the week, IGN\'s Halo 2 review will go live at noon PST on November 7. Turn back then to see the opinion of IGNXbox\'s editor in chief, Douglass Cool Perry.
>>>Link<<< (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/562/562017p1.html)
:cool:
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famitsu gave halo 1 a 33/40
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If you add up the scores Halo got a 37/40.
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Japan admits to liking a FPS? They have to be still just a novelty there. Surprised it didn\'t score lower.
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The score above was from Xbox Famitsu.
Regular ol\' Famitsu just gave HALO 2 a 34/40. :)
By the way, can we change the topic title and just make this the new "Official HALO 2 thread"? Reduce clutter \'n\' such.
Let\'s start throwing around Gamertags, guys. HALO 2 hits in less than a week, and I\'d like to play with some of you if you have LIVE or plan on getting it for HALO 2.
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I\'d play you guys in Halo 2, but I refuse to pay for Xbox live. So I\'ll just have to settle for traditional multiplayer.
I don\'t care what you guys say, I\'ve never had a problem with Sony\'s FREE online play, and that for me is a standard that microsoft should meet. I\'m sorry, no Xbox Live for me.
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Nu, it\'s fine with me to change the title. I\'ll pm a mod...
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Originally posted by Nu
The score above was from Xbox Famitsu.
Regular ol\' Famitsu just gave HALO 2 a 34/40. :)
By the way, can we change the topic title and just make this the new "Official HALO 2 thread"? Reduce clutter \'n\' such.
Let\'s start throwing around Gamertags, guys. HALO 2 hits in less than a week, and I\'d like to play with some of you if you have LIVE or plan on getting it for HALO 2.
can PAL gamers play NTSC ones and vice versa on LIVE?
Dont have an xbox yet but if H2 is good i may buy one
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Xbox Live cost is pittance if you have a job ($5/mo) and people who have both PS2\'s and MS\'s service say they prefer Live. They have a 3-month starter kit now if you want to test it.
Only thing I\'m worried about is playing with a whiny figgot and I have to hear them over the headset.
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Let me tell you already, it does get old hearing half the people talk. The headset already works when playing thru xbconnect. Luckily I win so it\'s not much of an issue.
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Xbox Live cost is pittance if you have a job ($5/mo)
yeah.. but i already pay 39.99 to my ISP for internet, and i already bought the game 49$(+). i dont need to add another service, that actually does nothing to prevent cheats, save game exploit or bandwith stability.
i dont need to pay my games X% more because the developers need to give money to MS to include the "live logo on the box" and i dont want to pay X% more on my games because the developer need to buy MS license code to build their live features.
At least, on PS, when the game is live you know you paid x% more on the game because the developer took time to write is code and build up is online server.
I played Everquest 5 years, paid 12$ a month (9$ at some point) and if MS or Sony service would be similar, i probably wouldnt mind paying.
MS is offering nothing more then what you have in the PC world or PSx.. but you pay 5$ fror it.
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ilovebees.com pinpoints Halo 2 events.
Underneath her goodbye letter is an invitation to "Combat Training Exercises." "I have arranged a special training exercise for crewmembers (and friends! and whomever!) 17 and older, utilizing squad-oriented combat simulation LIVEware, for Thursday, Nov. 4, from 6:00 – 9:00 pm Pacific time," read the message. These events will occur at four locations: 570 2nd Ave, New York City; 601 N. Martingale, Schaumburg, IL; 2700 W. Anderson Lane, Village Shopping Center, Austin, TX, and 101 4th St, San Francisco, CA.
What do those four locations have in common? Each has a movie theater (or theaters): Bay Cinema in New York City; Loews Woodfield Theatres in Schaumburg, a suburb of Chicago; the Sony Metreon in San Francisco, home of a Loews theater multiplex; and the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin.
And what will happen at these locations on November 4?
An update from Microsoft this morning has provided detailed intel on what gamers can expect. Calling it "a culmination to the Halo 2 I Love Bees program," a Microsoft spokesperson told GameSpot that “Bee Keepers” will be "guided to four locations across the country for a special event."
"Upon arrival," we were told, "the Bee Keepers will find their way to a theater where they will receive a special commemorative DVD (and a collector’s lanyard) as well as a special chapter of the ILB game specifically created for the event."
Microsoft said those in attendance "will have a chance to be among the first in the world to have hands-on play with the final version of Halo 2 multiplayer."
The spokesperson added that all four theaters will be equipped with Xbox consoles, which will be linked via Xbox Live to one another.
The event is scheduled for this Thursday night from 9pm to midnight EST, and 6pm to 9pm PST.
>>>Link<<< (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/11/02/news_6112051.html)
They\'re having one in Austin!
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I\'d play you guys in Halo 2, but I refuse to pay for Xbox live. So I\'ll just have to settle for traditional multiplayer.
I don\'t care what you guys say, I\'ve never had a problem with Sony\'s FREE online play, and that for me is a standard that microsoft should meet. I\'m sorry, no Xbox Live for me.
Although it might have all the features that Live has, I would imagine you will be able to play Halo2 on Xbconnect, which is free.
Just a suggestion for those of you who choose not to purchase Live.
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HALO 2 runs smooth as butter on XBC too. Almost zero lag, and no leading... And that\'s with voice chat.
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So true, we normally host but when chatting with the guys in the room they say it runs with relatively no lag. Can\'t go anywhere but up on live, gotta love that.
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yeah right
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relatively is a strong word
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Originally posted by malebabe
yeah right
Ok, I said most of the time we host but I\'ve played in games not hosting. It ran smooth.
Also, relatively is a strong word. Mind you your connection will matter but it seems that any broadband connection handles the game quite well. The game seems to work better online, probably cause it was actually meant to be this time around.
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Meijers broke the street date.
It\'s mine:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Esoldiablue%2FPA140027.JPG&hash=833b30f66168820369c199e6b256ca5b8f544dfa)
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Originally posted by Nolaws
MS is offering nothing more then what you have in the PC world or PSx.. but you pay 5$ fror it.
Understood but I am primarily a PC gamer and when you fire up something like Gamespy to be connected to games you get bombarded with ads (including timed ads upon startup), to the point of insanity. There are 3rd party programs that were made by disgruntled PC gamers but the interface doesn\'t compete, and my favorite (All Seeing Eye) asks you every so often to buy the full version.
With the PS2 you get a sub-par interface and infrastructure. When cheating was a problem with the Madden games (pressing pause and leaving etc..) we couldn\'t do a damn thing about it. But since we pay MS they have to hear our complaints and make something change, watching for cheaters and deleting their account, etc.. You get what you pay for, but as you say, getting something for free is always nice.
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Damnit!
extremely jealous of Nu!
EDIT: Nu, are you pullin\' our dicks?
>>>9th post has the pic you posted!<<< (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=305836)
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That bastard. He didn\'t even bother to find another host. :laughing:
It\'s mine, Ginko. I originally posted them here (http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=578913&postcount=59), and here (http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=579005&postcount=74).. If you\'d like more proof, I\'m more than willing to take more.
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no no, I believe you. I just found it odd that he had the same pic but now that you\'ve cleared it up...I\'m still jealous.
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why do u have 2 Nu?
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One\'s for a friend.
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I wish I could play it in English.
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Originally posted by Nu
It\'s mine:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Esoldiablue%2FPA140027.JPG&hash=833b30f66168820369c199e6b256ca5b8f544dfa)
Liar (http://www.xblracing.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27009&perpage=15&postid=365769#post365769)
And is that you in the reflection of your tv?
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Heh, no worries. Lots of GAF told him to cut his nails so he took another pic of the box and its contents and posted it on GAF and it was stolen and hosted on Gamespot shortly after. I think you might have told me before that you were Sai on GAF, Nu, but I must have forgotten. I am Ryu there -- I post less frequently there then I do here, though I do spend a lot of time reading that crazy forum. Congratulations on the pickup of the game though. Us West Coasters will have to wait awhile for it though -- with the exception of your friend who you mailed the game to. And yes, I did consider hijacking the shipment. :p We don\'t have many mom and pop shops to break the street date for us here. Generous of you to mail it to your friend.
I know GAF has lots of impressions, probably your own as well, but can we get some that are not spoiler intensive of the single player? I\'d like to hear your opinionson it.
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Originally posted by THX
Liar (http://www.xblracing.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27009&perpage=15&postid=365769#post365769)
What\'s that fake receipt got to do with me? :confused:
And is that you in the reflection of your tv?
Yep, yep.
Originally posted by Ryu
I think you might have told me before that you were Sai on GAF, Nu, but I must have forgotten.
I don\'t think I ever directly stated it. I did ask you on GAF a while back if you were the same Ryu that posts at Psx2C, and you answered yes.
I know GAF has lots of impressions, probably your own as well, but can we get some that are not spoiler intensive of the single player? I\'d like to hear your opinionson it. [/B]
I really don\'t know what to say. I said a bit about the enemies and the Marines on the impressions thread at GAF, but I don\'t know what else I can say without going into the details of the levels themselves, and I have a feeling people will get all bitchy about that.
Single Player and Multiplayer-- both considerably better than the first. In Single Player, less repetition, more interesting and frequent enemy encounters, and much more difficult(especially on Legendary, Christ).
And Multiplayer... Well, what else can I say? Based on what little I\'ve played on LIVE and XBC so far, the game is perfect online. I just wonder how it\'ll be when more users are on. Can\'t say I\'m not disappointed about the inability to search for a game(there are enough people with the game now, I just can\'t get to \'em is all. :(), but I think it\'ll all work out once LIVE is populated with HALO 2 players.
There\'s going to be a period of adjustment for all you HALO vets. The game feels very different, and I\'m not just sayin\' it just for the hell of it. It almost doesn\'t feel like HALO. I don\'t know how many people are going to be accepting of these changes, but I\'m loving it.
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Oh, that\'s another thing, maybe you can talk about the framerate. ;) Thanks for your words, though short, I still can\'t wait to get my hands on this game. :)
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Framerate\'s solid during battle, still 30fps. Though oddly, it seems to dip from time to time during cutscenes.
There is one moment in the first level where there\'s this big dip, right as part of the level is being loaded. If you were following that impressions thread at GAF, Scoot mentions it(we discussed it on AIM beforehand). The game pretty much stops for a full second right after the BSP is loaded, and the action continues on as normal. This never happens again in any part of the game I\'ve seen so far.
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Have you done any squad missions yet?
How\'s the A.I.?
How many levels are there in single player campaign?
How are the new vehicles?
Use the spoiler tag, [ sp], if you feel that you\'re going to give something away. If you\'d rather not answer that\'s cool too, I\'ll be playing it soon enough.:D
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oh sorry I keep seeing the receipt grouped with that pic so I assumed the worst. SOwwy. :(
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Originally posted by Ginko
How\'s the A.I.?
On the Covenant side, I haven\'t noticed any drastic differences. - Elites really take advantage of cover this time around, and seem to be a bit more careful when their shields are down. They press their backs to the wall when their shields are down sometimes, with their weapon facing the corner.
- Elites and Grunts(I think) can scale small objects like crates or fallen vehicles in order to get higher ground on you or surprise attack you if you\'re taking cover near them.
- Jackals dart out of the way if you\'re very close to them and pressuring them. You\'ll have to make sure you don\'t give them too much time to recover if you\'re close, or else they\'ll dash behind you and light you up with their Plasma Pistols.
- Grunts, unfortunately, are still stupid cannon fodder. No real change, except they seem to take more damage than before... But then again, all the Covenant enemies do. So nevermind.
And your helpful NPCs, Marines, they\'re actually worth keeping alive this time around. In all honesty, sometimes you won\'t have to work to keep them alive because they work much better with you in HALO 2.- Marines also take cover much more often, pressing their backs to wall and dipping in and out very quickly to take quick shots at the enemy.
- They now have the ability to drive. Honestly, they aren\'t the smartest bunch when driving, the \'hog usually ends up smoking by the time we\'re done with a quick skirmish. They aren\'t really conscious of how much damage your vehicle has taken. But still, sometimes they can get the job done just fine.
- You can switch any weapon with your Marines. This proves very helpful in a mission involving the Prophet of Regret, you\'ll know what I\'m talking about when you get there. I described this scenario at GAF, but I\'ll run it down again: I had these two Marines following me throughout this entire level. They can die, but because of the weapons I gave them, and the way we looked out for eachother(instead of me just protecting them and fighting the Covenant at the same time). The male Marine was given a Covenant Carbine, while the female Marine was given a Covenant Particle Beam Rifle. Male Marine went head-on with me to take on Elites, while the female Marine took out Jackal Snipers and sometimes wore down the shields of the Elites ahead. They were great support, and no matter what weapon I gave them in this scenario, they used them properly... Well, I haven\'t tried giving them the Energy Sword or Rocket Launcher yet, but I\'m working on it. ;)
The AI on both sides of the spectrum work together much better than before too. Running in when others take cover, and they communicate with eachother as well.
How many levels are there in single player campaign?
I\'m not certain, but I think there are around 6 or 7 entire "levels", but these levels are broken up into campaign levels... Get me? No? Well... For example, the "Earth City" level is broken up into two seperate campaign levels. And the transition between levels isn\'t exactly made clear sometimes, you won\'t even know you\'ve gotten to a new one. Heh.
How are the new vehicles?
Not many new ones...- Warthog - There are two Warthog variants present in the final game; the LRV "Chaingun" Warthog, and the LAAV "Guass" Warthog. The former is the \'hog we all know and love, and the latter is the new powerful variant we saw in the E32k3 Demo. I haven\'t had much time with the LAAV, but it seems to work best against vehicles. It\'s hard to hit opponents on foot because the shot isn\'t entirely accurate, and there\'s no splash damage unless you nail a vehicle... Concerning the Warthog in general: The thing feels very different. It just doesn\'t seem to have as much weight as the original Warthog. At first I didn\'t like it, but I\'ve gotten used to it. I don\'t know how the rest of you will feel about it
- Ghost - Not too much of a difference here. Unlike the \'hog, the new Ghost feels heavier. It rides lower, moves slower when not boosting, and when it does boost, you can\'t really adjust your path all that much. As you might have noticed in the videos from E32k3 and E32k4, the Ghost\'s weapons fire at a much faster rate than before. It can wear down people on foot quite easily, but the shots don\'t seem to freeze, and I think this goes for all plasma weapons, unfortunately...
- Spectre - The only real new vehicle in HALO 2. Think of it as the Covenant\'s answer to the Warthog. It moves a bit slower than the Warthog at first, but when it boosts it moves at just about the same speed or a bit faster. It seats 4: Driver, 2 Passengers, and a Gunner. The Spectre\'s weapon is a very accurate rapid-fire plasma weapon that does pretty decent damage.
- Banshee - It has received the most drastic change. The thing is just an aerial target now, IMO. It\'s so delicate, and the barrel rolls \'n\' flips don\'t really serve much of a purpose besides avoiding the Rocket Launcher\'s Target Tracking feature. It\'s very fast when it boosts though... But that\'s it. You can no longer fly backwards up into the air, if you try to, the \'shee\'s engines will kind of turn off and you\'ll plummet to the ground. That causes damage too, by the way. :p
- Scorpion - Better. Moves slower than before, like less than half it\'s original speed, but you can take more punishment in it than before, and it\'s weapons have been improved-- it\'s main and secondary weapons both fire much faster and accurately than in the first game. Even with these improvements, because of it\'s slow speed, it can be easily boarded if somebody gets close enough.
- Wraith - The Covenant Mortar Tank that was unplayable in the first game. It fires it\'s mortar shots very fast, and the splash damage of these shots are incredible. While it moves about just the same speed as the Scorpion normally, it can boost for like 1-2 seconds. IMO, the superior of the two Heavy Vehicles.
There are also turrets that are considered vehicles in Multiplayer. There is a Human and Covenant variant. The Human one, most of you have already seen, but the Covenant basically fires projectiles just like the Ghost in an extremely fast constant stream. They both do the job just fine.
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wow, wasn\'t expecting all that but thanks! I like the description you gave about working with the two marines...
*drools
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Let me add to his vehicle talk.
They\'re lame and a waste of space in multiplayer. :)
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I disagree.
The Banshee is the only vehicle I\'d consider useless in HALO 2\'s Multiplayer at this point. Perhaps if the "Banshee Bomb"(...), it\'s Fuel Rod Cannon, was useable in Multiplayer it wouldn\'t be so big of a deal.
The rest are great. Ghost is pretty fragile though.
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They\'re much harder to kill than they should be. They turn any idiot player into a contender in kills. That and if you hold both banshees on levels like coagulation, it\'s just really gay.
Not to mention the shoddyness, where you can run into someone and they go flying while not getting hurt.
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God damn Nu you got the game? Nice Impressions! :D
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Reviews have been posted by Team Xbox, IGN, and Gamespot. Links to the reviews are in the first post of this thread.
I\'m a little bummed out, I won\'t get to play it until later this week since I never fixed my Xbox. I just ordered a new dvd drive for it, a philips, and it should be here Wedensday or Thursday. I\'ll be picking up my SE Halo 2 on Tuesday so I can look at the cool case until then:D...:(
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Gamespot\'s review is pretty much on target, I think they gave it the most reasonable score(though it is a lil\' high by their standards). And it\'s good to see that they point out the lil\' flaws in the story; everybody else sang praises of it without saying why.
Only thing I disagree about their review is the repetitious levels. While repetition does rear it\'s ugly head in bits and parts of later levels, it isn\'t nearly as bad as it was in the first game.
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but it\'s close
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Originally posted by mm
but it\'s close
*Slowly becoming a compulsive spammer*
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God, repetitive levels again? That was arguably the worst part of the original.
Still, H2 sounds great and I\'m counting the days.
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Originally posted by Nu
HALO 2 runs smooth as butter on XBC too. Almost zero lag, and no leading... And that\'s with voice chat.
You lie :p
Xlink which is basically the same gives me a crap load of lag (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2central.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Ficons%2Ficon9.gif&hash=b57ce7af1f8c6089549705093778f45af97c34c9)
Well it has today, don\'t know if they have problems with the servers. But say you jump and land on the ground it\'ll warp you back to where you jumped from and jump again. :laughing: It\'s also buggy... the textures will just disappear on the floor revealling the cloudy world beneath it.
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Originally posted by Nu
Gamespot\'s review is pretty much on target, I think they gave it the most reasonable score(though it is a lil\' high by their standards). And it\'s good to see that they point out the lil\' flaws in the story; everybody else sang praises of it without saying why.
Only thing I disagree about their review is the repetitious levels. While repetition does rear it\'s ugly head in bits and parts of later levels, it isn\'t nearly as bad as it was in the first game.
Halo has been topped in the repetition stakes by Halo 2 I\'m afraid. It\'s just not funny. (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2central.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Ficons%2Ficon9.gif&hash=b57ce7af1f8c6089549705093778f45af97c34c9) One or two of the latter outdoor levels are great (Uprising and Delta Halo - especially in co-op) but when you venture inside... please somebody shoot me.
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Just completed the game. (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2central.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Ficons%2Ficon13.gif&hash=40ab22351c0361e348db1786445e459a9c8c1dfd)
Halo 1\'s ending is better... really, after three years this was the best they could come up with? Anyway I\'m off to play some multi-player over Xlink < Templar :D
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It\'s horrible, isn\'t it?
Remember that bullshit Bungie said about "closure"? Ain\'t there, folks.
They did say they\'d support HALO 2 in a big way through DLC. I\'m expecting some downloadable Campaign levels, Bungie.
Originally posted by MAKAVELIUK
You lie :p
Maybe it\'s just you. :(
It was next to perfect on XBC for me. Occasional dip when vehicles exploded but nothing serious.
Halo has been topped in the repetition stakes by Halo 2 I\'m afraid. :( It\'s just not funny. One or two of the latter outdoor levels are great (Uprising and Delta Halo - especially in co-op) but when you venture inside... please somebody shoot me.
I disagree completely. The only levels where I felt HALO\'s repeating and backtracking came back full force were Gravemind, and High Charity.
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I\'m on the 3rd level and so far it seems like more of the same on a bigger scale, which isn\'t necessarily a bad thing if you\'re a fan of the first. The graphics are 30fps but they are smooth. I like how the story delves deeper and there are some interesting twists. The dual weapon setup is tricky to handle at first but I think with time it\'ll be easy.
So far I\'d give it a 9.2. I\'m a PC gamer and the graphics aren\'t just hard on the eyes, but they affect gameplay. That said, the important thing is I\'m still having fun playing it.
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something went wrong at the packaging plant
i bought halo 2 yesterday, but when i played it, they must have put the expansion pack on the disk instead.
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Well, I picked up the game myself.
My initial impressions aren\'t great. In another thread (hell it might have been this one..), some people mentioned that the game might get some negative comments from fans of the original because it\'s so different. Now, I\'m assuming there must be some major gameplay changes later on in the game, perhaps to do with vehicles and working with teammates, as so far the game just feels exactly like the original.. only with a recoil.
As for being repetitive, I\'m already having major deja vu.
Hope I don\'t sound too negative, as it\'s 1:45am and I just woke up, but my first impressions are not too great. I do, however, realise that I\'m still on the first level and fully expect things to change for the better once I progress, but hot damn was I expecting more.. even at this early stage.
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Originally posted by mm
something went wrong at the packaging plant
i bought halo 2 yesterday, but when i played it, they must have put the expansion pack on the disk instead.
Re-worked physics, graphics, a much more varied and balanced selection of weapons, takes full advantage of Xbox LIVE, larger single player maps, increased difficulty, Dual Wielding, and Boarding, and a host of gameplay differences that are listed below...
And you think of it as no more than an expansion?
Wow, what classifies a sequel these days? How much new content did HALO 2 have to have in order to satisfy mm? :laughing:
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Now, I\'m assuming there must be some major gameplay changes later on in the game, perhaps to do with vehicles and working with teammates, as so far the game just feels exactly like the original.. only with a recoil.
Eh?... I don\'t know if you\'ve been playing a lot of HALO\'s Multiplayer, but I\'ll run down some of the changes:- The vehicle physics/handing are completely different. Warthog is more grounded, but appears to have less "weight". Ghost is slow as shit without the boost, but when it Boosts for extra speed it can hardly be controlled. The Scorpion moves like 1/3 the speed it did before, it moves just as fast as you walk. Banshee is just totally different, and quite frustrating to use at first, I won\'t even get into it.
- Destructable vehicles, they can be bothersome to some, since some of them can be easily destroyed without extra care. Unfortunately, there is no option present to turn destructable vehicles off.
- Fragmentation Grenades explode after the first bounce, instead of exploding when they stop moving like in the original.
- Frag \'nade\'s blast radius is much smaller, and they do less damage.
- Rocket Launcher\'s blast radius has also been decreased. And it travels slower.
- Plasma Pistol is only good for it\'s charge shot now, it can no longer be fired at a rate faster than the Plasma Rifle.
- All plasma weapons have lost their ability to "freeze" the opponent.
- The new Pistol, the M6C Pistol/Magnum, is nothing like the powerhouse the M6D Pistol was, and is only useful as a Dual Wield weapon. For those coming straight off of HALO\'s Multiplayer and have become so reliant on it, it\'s a big adjustment coming into HALO.
- You jump much, much higher in HALO 2.
- Melee attacks feel completely different, you have to be much closer. Most of them are sharper, and you have to be much closer than before. When you are distanced from your opponent, your character dashes towards the opponent for a melee...
- Fall damage is no more. Unless you fall into a pit or something(in which case you die), you cannot take damage by falling from great heights.
- It feels a lot easier to snipe this time around. Not only that, but nailing headshots seems easier. This is for both Multiplayer and Single Player Campaign.
- And here\'s a big one: Health that replenishes whenever the shield goes up, and that cannot be seen.
You may say most of that is small trivial shit, but it adds up. As I said, it still has that genuine HALO-feel, but it feels a lot different with all considered.
As for being repetitive, I\'m already having major deja vu.
:confused:...
Where is this repetition? The Covenant areas? The Forerunner installation that you raid when you...
[sp]first take control of Arbiter?[/sp]
I don\'t understand how this is even a serious complaint with the sequel, I\'m not seeing any repetitious enviroments like the ones found in the first game. And the enemy encounters are a lot more varied too.
[EDIT] - Added one big change to the list.
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No no, don\'t get me wrong, I haven\'t given an in-depth review of the game, I\'ve given impressions from merely playing through the first level of the game in a single player campaign. And it just so happens to feel like I\'m playing the first game all over again. I\'m sure this feeling will go away, though.
And here\'s a big one: Health that replenishes whenever the shield goes up, and that cannot be seen.
Is it just me, or does that seem really silly? I quite liked the whole shield/health system of the first one, why bother changing it?
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HOLY CRAP this game got a 9.8 from IGN, and now I am eating my words when I said this game would dissapoint me!!! I\'m so glad it didn\'t!!
Too bad I\'m too busy playing GTA: San Andreas, otherwise I would have picked it up already... I think my brother did, but I can wait.
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wow, i can jump higher in halo 1.5, i mean halo 2
/twirls finger in air
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Originally posted by mm
wow, i can jump higher in halo 1.5, i mean halo 2
/twirls finger in air
Have you been like....shooting up as of late???
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Originally posted by mm
wow, i can jump higher in halo 1.5, i mean halo 2
/twirls finger in air
looks at the comic Ryu posted...yea:)
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Very well made game.
Too bad I dont get xbox live til next week. LAN for now...
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something went wrong at the packaging plant
i bought halo 2 yesterday, but when i played it, they must have put the expansion pack on the disk instead.
Whose fault is that? The way I see it , it\'s yours.
Why?
Why would you buy Halo 2 when you disliked Halo (Xbox) so much? What\'s the point? You was already dead set against the game, so why waste the money just so you can whine and complain? It makes no sense. I know Halo 2 will not appeal to me in the least, so I am not wasting my money on it.
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no, it\'s bungie\'s fault
here\'s what i expected, and everyone should have too (shame on you if you didn\'t)
the be all, end all of console FPS gaming
halo 2 is far from that, even after all this time.
im glad to see the sheep just stand in line and expect less.
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ohhhhhh mm, give it up already. You\'re even starting to s@#t me with your gamin bashin bs.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
As for being repetitive, I\'m already having major deja vu.
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thats what put me off the PC version.
Thanks to the [sp]Flood levels[/sp], I lost all intrest in the game for weeks.
Anyway when playing Halo2 online just remember the following rules ;)
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hitting a nerve, souly?
good
perhaps halo 3 will live up to it\'s hype
wait, nevermind. the original bungie is dead
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the original HALO was dead years ago... Remember it DID start off as a RTS for the Mac.
/me wonders if they will ever do a RTS spin-off.
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Well, I for one am enjoying it.
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Originally posted by mm
here\'s what i expected, and everyone should have too (shame on you if you didn\'t)
the be all, end all of console FPS gaming
halo 2 is far from that, even after all this time.
im glad to see the sheep just stand in line and expect less.
You are far more ignorant than I imagined if you really believed that.
im glad to see the sheep just stand in line and expect less.
You really are dense, go check out the "State of Gaming" thread again, Ryu made a nice reply...maybe it was the Fable thread, or the other Halo 2 thread, or the September NPD...oh who knows, you\'ve been shut down in all of them.
Please leave.:)
the original HALO was dead years ago
Actually, the original Halo was released almost three years ago and managed to sell over 5 million units. <---- Far from dead;)
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Well the professional sites did give it like a 9.8 (IGN) and 9.4 (Gamespot), so I really don\'t know what your idea of living up to the hype is. As far as I\'m concerned, I expected the worst, and they actually exceeded I think what most people thought they would get. This is not a rehash of Halo 1, it really is a whole new Halo experience, I\'m sorry if you can\'t see that.
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Originally posted by mm
the be all, end all of console FPS gaming
halo 2 is far from that, even after all this time.
I\'d love to see the one console FPS that has already delivered all the things that people are going apeshit over about HALO 2.
If that\'s all you expected, you should be more than satisfied.
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The people who have been dogging Halo for YEARS are also the ones buying the game on release day??? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Did you buy into the hype too?
Killzone has also been hyped to hell (much of it from its fanbase) yet I\'m not going out to buy it. If you\'re buying the game you\'re just supporting the series you hate. (note: don\'t hate Killzone, was referring to Halo haters)
It all makes perfect sense! I\'m just not seeing it. :(
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Speaking as someone who loves the Halo universe, having read both The Fall of Reach and First Strike novels and beating the original on normal, heroic, and legendary, I can easily say the story in Halo 2 is, regretfully, garbage. It\'s easily the worst story in the series and it is also one of the most dissapointing overhyped experiences I\'ve had in my gaming history.
With that being said, I have not played the multiplayer. However, if a game is advertised as the next part in the series, denoting some type of continuation in the story, this game failed miserably. This feels more like Halo 2, the continuation of better multiplayer. Though many of you know the game for that and agree that it is very good, that\'s not why I bought this game. For me, it is an utter dissapointment.
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Originally posted by mm
no, it\'s bungie\'s fault
here\'s what i expected, and everyone should have too (shame on you if you didn\'t)
the be all, end all of console FPS gaming
halo 2 is far from that, even after all this time.
im glad to see the sheep just stand in line and expect less.
Whose the sheep? You are. Why? Because you bought it. I don\'t care if you bought it wanting to hate it or wanting to be surprised. You still bought it. That is what makes you part of the sheep.
As much as you complain about Halo and it\'s flaws, there is no way you expected the sequel to be the "be all and end all" FPS for consoles. Just face it, you bought it, you helped fund a sequel and MS / Bungie appreciates your money.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Speaking as someone who loves the Halo universe, having read both The Fall of Reach and First Strike novels and beating the original on normal, heroic, and legendary, I can easily say the story in Halo 2 is, regretfully, garbage. It\'s easily the worst story in the series and it is also one of the most dissapointing overhyped experiences I\'ve had in my gaming history.
With that being said, I have not played the multiplayer. However, if a game is advertised as the next part in the series, denoting some type of continuation in the story, this game failed miserably. This feels more like Halo 2, the continuation of better multiplayer. Though many of you know the game for that and agree that it is very good, that\'s not why I bought this game. For me, it is an utter dissapointment.
A shitload of inconsistencies, right?
It sucks if you follow the books, participate in story discussions across various forums, and all that jazz. If you look at it just the game itself, it\'s miles ahead of the first game, at the very least.
Unfortunately, Bungie didn\'t seem intent on linking the sequel with the books at all. And as expected, all that cool story-related shit on ilovebees.com has nothing to do with HALO 2. I can see why that part of the game would disappoint so many.
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Inconsistancies, rhetoric... a [sp]little shop of horrors plant[/sp]. It\'s all just friggin stupid. I have to go to class. We can talk more about it later.
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actually, i bought it used for 28$ from my normal shop
some kid probably swiped it from best buy, and got cash for it.
so i win, the kid wins, the store wins, and m$ loses
brilliant!
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hit a nerve, no. bore me, yes.
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Worst come back ever.
You think some kid stole it therefor MS loses? Can you prove it? Honestly, what is the point of all this? You are trolling as much as oOseven and making just about as much sense.
Why bother with a game if you didnt like the previous? It is like me buying MGS2 or Twin Snakes, even tho I hate the previous MGS\'s. It is friggin pointless.
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i liked halo, untill i beat it
halo 1.5 is just not what i expected, and i\'m far from alone. aside from what the money hungry magazines tell you, alot of people didn\'t get what they expected in the single player game.
oh, and co-op rocks, aside from the framerate and untill my buddy and i beat it
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I think mm has stated numerous times that he did like the original Halo.. until he beat it. ;) [edit] You beat me to it, mm[/edit]
I have to say that the more I play the single player campaign the more disappointed I become. Even in co-op I\'m just not finding that my enjoyment is sustained for long periods of time. As fun as using twin-needlers while your friend runs up ahead with the energy sword is, it just doesn\'t last long. Even battling it out in the vehicles feels remarkably similar.
As far as the single player is concerned, I would go as far as to call it a rehash. It feels just like an extension pack with a few little features added. It makes me smile thinking about all the zealots on TeamXBox who used to bag Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (and most likely San Andreas) for not being a complete sequal, relative to how much of a sequal Halo 2 would be.
I\'m genuinly surprised that Kasavin didn\'t tear this game to shreds.
Having said all this, I still have not played the game multiplayer (other than co-op) and have already commenced plans with a friend at work for a fairly large LAN game.
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It makes me smile thinking about all the zealots on TeamXBox who used to bag Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (and most likely San Andreas) for not being a complete sequal, relative to how much of a sequal Halo 2 would be.
I\'ve never seen anyone argue it, and if they do then they\'re just ignorant to the fact that Vice City and San Andreas are spin-off\'s of GTA3. GTA4 is still in the works.
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Really? It was all the rage a while back. I guess it\'s stopped.
From what I\'ve heard though, the features added in San An... ahh forget it. Back to Halo!
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my idea of spin offs isn\'t games based on the same engine.
its games that are using the same map, story line etc but with things added.... both vc and sa aren\'t spin offs.
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I just started lurking around TXB in the past two months so could have missed it.
Just out of curiousity, what is it that you guys were expecting Halo 2 to be? Obviously the game is an improvement over the original, even if it is slight by what you guys are saying, but it\'s none the less an improvement and new levels.
From what you guys are saying I\'m reminded of the Ratchet & Clank series, and, to a lesser extent, the Zelda series...basically the same game every time with a face lift and a few additions, doesn\'t stop them from being awesome.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
my idea of spin offs isn\'t games based on the same engine.
its games that are using the same map, story line etc but with things added.... both vc and sa aren\'t spin offs.
Call it what you want but they aren\'t the official sequel to GTA3. I\'ll stick with spin-off.
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what is it that you guys were expecting Halo 2 to be?
i already stated what i (and everyone else) expected
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mm, I can guarantee that not one person on this forum would be comfortable with you speaking for them. You may proceed in talking out of your ass.:)
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Originally posted by Ginko
I just started lurking around TXB in the past two months so could have missed it.
Just out of curiousity, what is it that you guys were expecting Halo 2 to be? Obviously the game is an improvement over the original, even if it is slight by what you guys are saying, but it\'s none the less an improvement and new levels.
From what you guys are saying I\'m reminded of the Ratchet & Clank series, and, to a lesser extent, the Zelda series...basically the same game every time with a face lift and a few additions, doesn\'t stop them from being awesome.
At the very least, I wanted them to rectify the problems that were present in the first game. Even the most staunch Halo fan admitted that the game got a little repetitive. I for one felt the game was EXTREMELY repetitive. And not just the level design, but every battle felt the same. I\'ve read some people claim that the enemy AI is so good that no two battles are the same. This seems an outrageously silly thing to say. Unless you sit back and strategize every move (which I\'ll more than admit, if I did, I enjoyed it), but the battles were just neverending and so frequent that doing that also became tedius.
Toward the end of the game I ended up getting in my warthog and driving past dozens of battles, dozens of enemies purely because I didn\'t want to go through all the crap again.
That\'s how repetitive I thought the first game was.
Now this game starts with a level almost identival to the first level in the original game (except you get to go outside the ship). The first level on earth starts nicely, the new rifle is a fun weapon, but soon the novelty wears off and it just starts to feel like the same old stuff. The Warthog tunnel run felt like nothing new. And you know what? About 3/4\'s of the way through the level, I got in my Warthog and drove past dozens of battles/enemies.
After all the previews, all the fan hype, and even posters on this forum who had played the game were saying how different this game was to the first one.. I was expecting the sequal to a game that was TOO REPETITIVE to NOT FEEL EXACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL GAME.
Improved and engaging indoor combat would have been great, too. And hell, if it weren\'t for the fact that I paused the game to turn the brightness up on my television, I wouldn\'t have even known that there were objectives.
Perhaps it\'s just the First Person Shooter genre in general. Looking back at FPS\'s that I\'ve had a genuinly engaging single player experience in, the numbers aren\'t that large. Doom (years ago), Half-Life, Alien Trilogy.. the original Red Faction was fun, but again got repetitive and tedius in places. Medal of Honor on Playstation was great for it\'s time, Frontline was ok for a while, but after the initial battle it too became tiresome. Perhaps I should just stick to multiplayer.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
At the very least, I wanted them to rectify the problems that were present in the first game. Even the most staunch Halo fan admitted that the game got a little repetitive. I for one felt the game was EXTREMELY repetitive. And not just the level design, but every battle felt the same. I\'ve read some people claim that the enemy AI is so good that no two battles are the same. This seems an outrageously silly thing to say. Unless you sit back and strategize every move (which I\'ll more than admit, if I did, I enjoyed it), but the battles were just neverending and so frequent that doing that also became tedius.
Toward the end of the game I ended up getting in my warthog and driving past dozens of battles, dozens of enemies purely because I didn\'t want to go through all the crap again.
That\'s how repetitive I thought the first game was.
And you played it how many times?;)
Now this game starts with a level almost identival to the first level in the original game (except you get to go outside the ship). The first level on earth starts nicely, the new rifle is a fun weapon, but soon the novelty wears off and it just starts to feel like the same old stuff. The Warthog tunnel run felt like nothing new. And you know what? About 3/4\'s of the way through the level, I got in my Warthog and drove past dozens of battles/enemies.
After all the previews, all the fan hype, and even posters on this forum who had played the game were saying how different this game was to the first one.. I was expecting the sequal to a game that was TOO REPETITIVE to NOT FEEL EXACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL GAME.
DO NOT play the hype card, mm and ooseven I expect it from, you are better than that.
Improved and engaging indoor combat would have been great, too. And hell, if it weren\'t for the fact that I paused the game to turn the brightness up on my television, I wouldn\'t have even known that there were objectives.
Perhaps it\'s just the First Person Shooter genre in general. Looking back at FPS\'s that I\'ve had a genuinly engaging single player experience in, the numbers aren\'t that large. Doom (years ago), Half-Life, Alien Trilogy.. the original Red Faction was fun, but again got repetitive and tedius in places. Medal of Honor on Playstation was great for it\'s time, Frontline was ok for a while, but after the initial battle it too became tiresome. Perhaps I should just stick to multiplayer.
I still dont\' understand why this game isn\'t good by what you\'re saying. All hype and expectation bs aside, how does the game stand on its\' own? From what I hear it\'s still one of the very best examples of the genre.
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what genre?
From what I hear
ouch
:nerd:
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Originally posted by Ginko
And you played it how many times?;)
Too many. It only compounded the whole notion of being \'repetitive\'. Perhaps, 3 times? Once co-op, once on nomarl/heroic, and once on legendary. Then occasionally I\'d play it some more in co-op when my friends and I were bored and looking for something to play.
DO NOT play the hype card, mm and ooseven I expect it from, you are better than that.
What? You asked us what we were expecting. I told you what I was expecting, and why I was expecting it. To shorten it for you:
What was I expecting? Something different.
Why would you expecting that? Because I was told it would be different.
Had I been told it would be the same game with recoil, and the ability to dual wield, I would not have bought it.
I still dont\' understand why this game isn\'t good by what you\'re saying. All hype and expectation bs aside, how does the game stand on its\' own? From what I hear it\'s still one of the very best examples of the genre.
If the first game had not existed, I would probably think of it as quite good. I don\'t care for the atmosphere, the story, the repetitive battles (but I would not think they were so repetitive if I hadn\'t played the original..) the horrible cut-scenes (which surprisingly wreak of cheap production values) but the enemy AI is quite good if you take your time to observe it, rather than kill them. The vehicular battles are quite good, and having a friend on the turret of the Warthog in co-op is good. Friendly AI I don\'t pay much attention to. I see them drive on ahead and cause some havoc, and they\'ll occasionally crash into me, but it\'s nothing to write home about. The new dual wield is fine, but occasionally annoying. Recoil is fine, albeit annoying sometimes. Anything else you want me to comment on?
I\'ll also admit this, had I enjoyed the first game more, I certainly would not mind the fact that it\'s so similar.
Also, I still can not comment on the multiplayer. Which has apparently been the focus this time around.
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Originally posted by mm
what genre?
I\'ll leave you to figure it out, if you have too much trouble I\'ll go ahead and help you out.
BTW, I haven\'t played the game myself, perhaps tomorrow, but all the reviews are synonomous in saying it\'s a great game, one of the best FPS. <--- oops, I just gave it away. Just as well, wouldn\'t want you to strain yourself.
What? You asked us what we were expecting. I told you what I was expecting, and why I was expecting it. To shorten it for you:
What was I expecting? Something different.
Why would you expecting that? Because I was told it would be different.
Had I been told it would be the same game with recoil, and the ability to dual wield, I would not have bought it.
Wait, so you really didn\'t favor the first game but you bought into the hype (be it the media, fans, or even Bungie themselves) of the sequel?
Anything else you want me to comment on?
I just don\'t understand someone who buys into the sequel of a game they didn\'t enjoy so much. I mean, really, the original is a big seller, obviously something worked and Bungie would have been dense not to play off that. I take it you\'ll be more cautious when Halo 3 comes around...
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There were people with sleeping bags in front of Software Etc. at the mall the night before release. ****ing losers.
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Guess you can toss them in with the losers who camped out for the Playstation 2.
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Almost 2.4 million in 24 hours.
Halo 2 earned $125 million in first-day sales, breaking records for first-day earnings of any entertainment release, including the biggest Hollywood blockbusters. In other words, The Matrix got nothing on Master Chief.
The frenzy for one of the biggest console releases in videogame history moved 2.4 million units in the U.S. and Canada. Says Microsoft\'s Peter Moore: "The first 24 hours of Halo 2 sales have taken our breath away."
Time will tell just how high the figures will climb, but there\'s no doubt -- and no surprise in noting -- that Halo 2 has already made videogame history.
-- David Adams
>>>Link<<< (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/565/565280p1.html)
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Originally posted by Ginko
Guess you can toss them in with the losers who camped out for the Playstation 2.
Hey you homo I camped out for PS2, but I am a loser so you win this round. I got Halo 2 at midnight but waited for only 15min. PS2 was more or less justified because only 500k were made at launch, I needed a DVD player for my dorm, and I\'m a huge Tekken freak.
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lol, I was just drawing the comparison. I\'m not one to point the finger at anybody, I was at the midnight release of the latest Harry Potter book.:nerd:
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Originally posted by Ginko
Wait, so you really didn\'t favor the first game but you bought into the hype (be it the media, fans, or even Bungie themselves) of the sequel?
I just don\'t understand someone who buys into the sequel of a game they didn\'t enjoy so much. I mean, really, the original is a big seller, obviously something worked and Bungie would have been dense not to play off that. I take it you\'ll be more cautious when Halo 3 comes around...
I didn\'t buy into the hype at all. My friends and I came to the conclusion that it would have been an excellent game had it not been rushed to meet the XBox launch deadline. I had enthusiasm for this game based on the fact that they would have more time to develop their already good ideas, and couple that with excellent level design and improvements in almost every other area, such as storyline.
I guess in this regard, we could liken it to Killzone. A disappointing game that had so much potential, but it was rushed. Henceforth, my enthusiasm has been transferred to the sequal.
Now, given all this extra development time, and plenty of criticism it received from what is admittedly the minority, one would think that they would indeed put out a game that was devoid of these flaws inherent in the original game. Perhaps they have improved it somewhat, but not enough to make it feel different in any major regard.
I guess perhaps that that is what I bought into, the fact that the game was supposedly so much different to the original. And this had been confirmed by most people. I find it extremely disappointing that with all the extra time they were given, all the experience they had from the first game that they failed to take the major criticisms in stride and make a truely exceptional game. Instead, they played it safe and made a game that was exactly the same, and beefed up the multiplayer. It just feels as though it\'s been rushed, again. Perhaps it\'s because they put so much effort into the multiplayer (which again, I have not played) and not so much into the horrible cut-scenes, or the objectives, or the campaign level design, or the fact that when you melee attack the auto-lock on feature causes you to continually look DOWNWARDS until you\'re lost :mad:. ;)
And yes, I am hoping that Halo 3 will fulfill it\'s potential. Only this time, I\'ll rent it. Hopefully it won\'t become another Tomb Raider. :p
And to remind you, I did enjoy the first game. Particularly in co-op. It just became a bit much at times.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I didn\'t buy into the hype at all. My friends and I came to the conclusion that it would have been an excellent game had it not been rushed to meet the XBox launch deadline. I had enthusiasm for this game based on the fact that they would have more time to develop their already good ideas, and couple that with excellent level design and improvements in almost every other area, such as storyline.
So you and your friends assumed that given the extra time it might meet your expectations? Okay.
I guess in this regard, we could liken it to Killzone. A disappointing game that had so much potential, but it was rushed. Henceforth, my enthusiasm has been transferred to the sequal.
Not really, Halo does what it does very well and that transfered to the sequel. If Bungie changes up the gameplay, what you claim as tedious and repetitive, too much then they risk losing fans. Considering over 2 million copies of Halo 2 sold in 24 hours their are many fans of what the original did. If you don\'t like it then perhaps you should look elsewhere for your fps fix.
Killzone doesn\'t do anything particularly well except the art direction. Everything else is mediocre at best.
Now, given all this extra development time, and plenty of criticism it received from what is admittedly the minority, one would think that they would indeed put out a game that was devoid of these flaws inherent in the original game. Perhaps they have improved it somewhat, but not enough to make it feel different in any major regard.
I guess perhaps that that is what I bought into, the fact that the game was supposedly so much different to the original. And this had been confirmed by most people. I find it extremely disappointing that with all the extra time they were given, all the experience they had from the first game that they failed to take the major criticisms in stride and make a truely exceptional game. Instead, they played it safe and made a game that was exactly the same, and beefed up the multiplayer. It just feels as though it\'s been rushed, again. Perhaps it\'s because they put so much effort into the multiplayer (which again, I have not played) and not so much into the horrible cut-scenes.
I take it you didn\'t pick up the Halo 2 LE, or if you did then you didn\'t watch the extra DVD content yet. They had alot of ideas for the sequel but when it came down to it they had to cut alot of it out due to technical limitations or time. They admit in the documentary that they didn\'t plan the development out very well and it ended up biting them in the ass. The last 10 months were extremely busy for them.
And yes, I am hoping that Halo 3 will fulfill it\'s potential. Only this time, I\'ll rent it. Hopefully it won\'t become another Tomb Raider. :p
But you\'ve already admited to not liking the style to which Halo plays out, particularly the "tedious battles" as you put it. What makes you think this needs to change for the 3rd installment when so many people think otherwise?
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Originally posted by Ginko
They had alot of ideas for the sequel but when it came down to it they had to cut alot of it out due to technical limitations or time.
The game received a major graphics downgrade because of time.
Most of the additional gameplay features:- Melee Combos
- Sprinting
- Peeking
... were there at one point in time, but were removed because they simply didn\'t find them fun. Because of them, the game didn\'t feel like HALO anymore.
The other feature that was removed; Strategic use of Dynamic Light & Shadow, was axed because the Xbox couldn\'t handle it, by the way.
The game has already alienated a few HALO players because of the changes. It makes me raise an eyebrow every time I see somebody say it\'s too similar to the original.
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Originally posted by Nu
The game received a major graphics downgrade because of time.
Most of the additional gameplay features:- Melee Combos
- Sprinting
- Peeking
... were there at one point in time, but were removed because they simply didn\'t find them fun. Because of them, the game didn\'t feel like HALO anymore.
The other feature that was removed; Strategic use of Dynamic Light & Shadow, was axed because the Xbox couldn\'t handle it, by the way.[/b]
Oh yes, I remember them saying "it\'s just not fun right now" and that was a major low point. It had them completely rethinking the game.
They didn\'t mention Light & Shadow during the documentary but they did mention something about the graphics downgrade, and the reason being technical limitations. They were very concerned with having a consistent framerate. (Guerrilla take note)
The game has already alienated a few HALO players because of the changes. It makes me raise an eyebrow every time I see somebody say it\'s too similar to the original.
That\'s easy to explain ----> Can\'t please everybody.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Call it what you want but they aren\'t the official sequel to GTA3. I\'ll stick with spin-off.
how aren\'t they the official sequels.. GTA VC aka GTA4, GTA SA aka GTA5. You saying they\'re spin offs because they base the games of parts of the city parts... GTA III, 4 and 5 are spin offs of GTA. They\'re based of the citys. So sorry to tell you, 4 and 5 aren\'t spin offs on 3.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Not really, Halo does what it does very well and that transfered to the sequel. If Bungie changes up the gameplay, what you claim as tedious and repetitive, too much then they risk losing fans. Considering over 2 million copies of Halo 2 sold in 24 hours their are many fans of what the original did. If you don\'t like it then perhaps you should look elsewhere for your fps fix.
Sounds like you\'re making excuses for them rehashing the game. I mean come on, [sp]the FLOOD.. AGAIN?! Weren\'t they horrible enough in the first game?? The non-stop shooting is bad enough when you\'re aiming at enemies that can pseudo-think![/sp]. <-- Perhaps you should read that when you\'re a few levels in.
I take it you didn\'t pick up the Halo 2 LE, or if you did then you didn\'t watch the extra DVD content yet.
Not yet.
They had alot of ideas for the sequel but when it came down to it they had to cut alot of it out due to technical limitations or time. They admit in the documentary that they didn\'t plan the development out very well and it ended up biting them in the ass. The last 10 months were extremely busy for them.
Well there you go. Had they organised themselves better, or delayed the game perhaps they wouldn\'t have put out a rehash.
But you\'ve already admited to not liking the style to which Halo plays out, particularly the "tedious battles" as you put it.
They weren\'t always tedius. There were moments. In between the non-stop blasting through the exact same levels against the exact same enemies for 8 hours. :p
What makes you think this needs to change for the 3rd installment when so many people think otherwise?
I\'m sure the same was being said after Tomb Raider 2. ;) And apparently, Bungie think so, too. If they had to omit so many features. :)
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I kind of avoided this thread for the past half hour, but even I can\'t keep away from talking about this game even when it pains me the most. That may seem melodramatic, but seriously, all I wanted was a good story. I had high hopes all the secrecy had to do with how great and how awesome it was. Just imagine, if you will, my dissapointment when I found out so much of the game was either cut or rushed or just plain ditched when I finally saw the ending happened well before it should have.
I actually did enjoy the first Halo -- one of the few people on this board who will admit that it seems. I for one didn\'t find a lot of the misgivings so many of the people on here have with the game to be too dramatic (framerate, enemy AI, etc). I did find levels to be tedious, but I also think approaching situations differently with different weapons added a lot of flavor to the game and made those few levels that seemed monotonous to actually feel pretty fun and even moreso with a friend. In addition, the difficulty level added plenty to that and it balanced out the gameplay a great deal.
Unfortunately, though maybe it\'s just my age or my position as a gamer these days being far less engrossing then it once was, I just didn\'t want to put up with it this time around in Halo 2. Admittedly, I didn\'t even notice that many changes in the game when I started playing it, but I can easily attribute that to the fact that I pretty much blew through it in a sitting just to get the story aspect out of my system. I came in, I killed elites, I killed overgrown gorillas and a host of other enemies and vehicles. Even had a boss fight or two -- though they were utterly dissapointing as they were on the incredibly weak side (something I assume changes on legendary). I did find myself using some more weapons far more then others in the campaign though as some are just far more lethal then others.
I enjoy jacking vehicles in the game, though I feel having to punch someone several times to just get them out is a little on the lame side for some vehicles. I found duel weilding to be pretty good early in the game but totaly useless later in the game. I also think the SMG\'s are really lame and I\'m still astonished they get so much attention. I miss the old rifle the chief had. This new one looks cool, but it lacks the constant punch the old one had. I find myself preferring the zoom and the precision of the covenant carbine more and more. I also liked outfitting my teammates with weapons and giving them sniper rifles while I take the more concentrated weapons and protect them. I think they are really stupid drivers though, especially if I\'m in another vehicle and they ram into me -- several times no less.
I don\'t like the fact Bungie addressed level design by making you hold a single position for longer. True, I\'m not moving through the same corridors, but there\'s lots of times when I\'m just on a single piece of metal or in a single area and I just have to hold my position against the enemy. I also like doing it with the plasma sword, that\'s a lot of fun, but I think it\'s a bit overused in the game and too readily available. I also don\'t like how levels are essentially really small, but have large backgrounds to make it seem a lot larger then it actually is. I don\'t feel that every situation is approachable with different weapons with different avenues of attack as much in Halo 2 as it was in the original. It\'s true you can do a lot more it seems, but they actually force you to do a lot less with objectives. I found myself bypassing a lot of battles with a quick vehicle just to hit checkpoints as not to waste any time. Maybe I do find the game repetetive, but essentially, I did just want to get through the story.
One thing that did impress me, as I always go through options first and foremost before starting any game, was jus thow many options you\'re afforded in the profile character creation. Lots of colors, lots of symbols, lots of colors for the symbols. It was all very impressive in my opinion. It\'s obvious to me that a LOT of work went into the multiplayer and little else. I\'m not even going to touch the cut scene graphics this time as so many others have. It\'s painful though, to say the least. I\'d go online right now if I didn\'t have 4 torrents going so maybe this weekend I\'ll take a crack at it. Right now though, as it stands, I feel Bungie stole my money and that\'s really sad.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
how aren\'t they the official sequels.. GTA VC aka GTA4, GTA SA aka GTA5. You saying they\'re spin offs because they base the games of parts of the city parts... GTA III, 4 and 5 are spin offs of GTA. They\'re based of the citys. So sorry to tell you, 4 and 5 aren\'t spin offs on 3.
VC and SA ARE spin off\'s as they use the same engine and same gameplay.
The NEXT GTA will most likely be the true sequel to the series, and it will only appear on the next gen consoles.
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wait, did ginko really compare camping out overnight for a short supply console and halo 2?
:eek:
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Originally posted by ooseven
VC and SA ARE spin off\'s as they use the same engine and same gameplay.
The NEXT GTA will most likely be the true sequel to the series, and it will only appear on the next gen consoles.
ahh give me a friggin break. So games that use the same engine are spin offs... That\'s gotta be the LAMEST bs thing i\'ve ever heard.
So every game thats used the Q3 engine is a spin off on Q3, or every game thats used UT or even HL engine are spin offs.
keep floggin yourself.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
ahh give me a friggin break. So games that use the same engine are spin offs... That\'s gotta be the LAMEST bs thing i\'ve ever heard.
So every game thats used the Q3 engine is a spin off on Q3, or every game thats used UT or even HL engine are spin offs.
keep floggin yourself.
yeah sure they where true sequels :rolleyes:
you know i don\'t even think Rockstar north thinks of them as sequels.
But hey if YOU know better, then maybe you should email them to let them know that they are WRONG ;).
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Originally posted by ooseven
VC and SA ARE spin off\'s as they use the same engine and same gameplay.
The NEXT GTA will most likely be the true sequel to the series, and it will only appear on the next gen consoles.
Give me a breaking freak.
They are not spin-offs. They are part of the same franchise and use the same engine. The only thing different is some minor gameplay changes and storyline. You are grasping at straws.
Honestly - can you be that naive? Just because it does not say "GTA 4" on it, does not mean that it is not a sequel. If it uses the same engine and is part of the same franchise, then it needs to live up or surpass the previous games in the series.
If you are going to spout out nonsense like this, do me a favour and just don\'t post.
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how aren\'t they the official sequels..
I think you\'re right, I must have misread an article on the series in regards to the gameplay. My apologies.
Sounds like you\'re making excuses for them rehashing the game.
I don\'t have to make excuses, Halo 2 is out. Some people are going to like it, some won\'t, the end.
They weren\'t always tedius. There were moments. In between the non-stop blasting through the exact same levels against the exact same enemies for 8 hours.
I\'m sure the same was being said after Tomb Raider 2. And apparently, Bungie think so, too. If they had to omit so many features.
Still, you find the bulk of the gameplay to flawed when it\'s just Halo\'s style, an approach that arguably worked considering the fanbase for the original. I suppose we\'ll have to wait and see if it does become the next Tomb Raider. If Bungie stands still for too long then the fans will eventually tire of it, or someone else will come in and do it better.
still not sure why you bought into it so easily considering your complaints...shrugs
wait, did ginko really compare camping out overnight for a short supply console and halo 2?
It boils down to people who are enthusiastic about said purchase/event. Same reason people camped out for Star Wars Episode 1.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Give me a breaking freak.
They are not spin-offs. They are part of the same franchise and use the same engine. The only thing different is some minor gameplay changes and storyline. You are grasping at straws.
Honestly - can you be that naive? Just because it does not say "GTA 4" on it, does not mean that it is not a sequel. If it uses the same engine and is part of the same franchise, then it needs to live up or surpass the previous games in the series.
If you are going to spout out nonsense like this, do me a favour and just don\'t post.
Grasping straws ehhh
Strange that the gap between GTA3 and GTA:VC could just comedown to a bunch of features that didn\'t make it into the previous game.
For example
- Flying Fully winged aircraft (which had to be dropped due to 9/11)
- Sub Missions that ended with you gaining revenue, that you can pick up outside the property.
- The Introduction of bikes etc...etc...etc...
Although after playing SA for a while its hard to call it a simple spin off or even go as far as a sequel.
I would call it a evolution in the game cycle.
What we saw in GTA:SA isn\'t a million miles from GTA3.
All the fundamentals are there, its just that the boundaries of the game have increased giving the player MORE choise.
GTA4 like I said will most likely appear on the next gen consoles… when the LEAP with be so reconasable that it will be comparable from the leap of GTA2 to GTA3.
Oh and another thing LIC stop being such an Elitest @rsehole…. Oh sorry I forgot you can’t help it.
Anyway if you’re looking for MORE people to look down you’re nose at then sod off it http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/ and be done with it.
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I guess I\'m in the minority because I really liked Halo and like Halo 2 even more.
I haven\'t touched multiplayer or co-op and am enjoying campaign mode. I\'m just not seeing how the battles are any more repetitive than any other FPS in history. I like dual wielding and in fact think it is almost essential against certain enemies. I don\'t get how people think its useless later on in the game when I didn\'t use it early on and use it extensively now. The AI is much better and besides the occasional idiotic move of driving in big circles the AI drivers are pretty good.
I just can\'t say that I am not having fun while playing this game. If I\'m enjoying the campaign I can\'t wait to take on co-op(which IMO was Halo\'s best feature).
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BTW, GTA: VC and GTA: SA are kind of a mixture between spinoff and sequel. In fact I\'m almost positive that the next GTA game will be GTA4.
Rockstar/DMA has been doing this with the GTA franchise forever. They released like 5 different "spequels" for GTA2 before GTA3 dropped on the PS2.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Grasping straws ehhh
Strange that the gap between GTA3 and GTA:VC could just comedown to a bunch of features that didn\'t make it into the previous game.
For example
- Flying Fully winged aircraft (which had to be dropped due to 9/11)
- Sub Missions that ended with you gaining revenue, that you can pick up outside the property.
- The Introduction of bikes etc...etc...etc...
Although after playing SA for a while its hard to call it a simple spin off or even go as far as a sequel.
I would call it a evolution in the game cycle.
What we saw in GTA:SA isn\'t a million miles from GTA3.
All the fundamentals are there, its just that the boundaries of the game have increased giving the player MORE choise.
GTA4 like I said will most likely appear on the next gen consoles… when the LEAP with be so reconasable that it will be comparable from the leap of GTA2 to GTA3.
Oh and another thing LIC stop being such an Elitest @rsehole…. Oh sorry I forgot you can’t help it.
Anyway if you’re looking for MORE people to look down you’re nose at then sod off it http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/ and be done with it. [/B]
You may be the dumbest member on this forum. Sorry, it\'s the truth. Sod off my nose? What the hell?
If a game uses the same engine and is part of the same franchise, then what is the problem? I consider \'Resident Evil: Code Veronica\' a sequel, even though it does not have a number in it and it uses a DIFFERENT engine. It is all part of the same franchise.
An evolution of the gameplay / engine? What the hell do you think a sequel is? It is taking the fundemental parts of a game / franchise and then molding it. Making small tinkerings here and there. Putting things in that the original did not have time to do. The same exact thing that GTA has done. The same exact thing that Halo does.
Sorry if you can\'t grasp simple logic.
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How can you compare movie gross to video game gross when movies cost $9 and games cost $50?
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Yeah, if GTA:SA is a spinoff then Halo 2 is a spinoff.. and Metroid Prime 2 as well.
Same general RenderWare engine, new game = not a spinoff. A rehash, maybe.. but top-tier developers tend to make what would be defined as a rehash into a new, kick-ass experience.
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Originally posted by Ashford
How can you compare movie gross to video game gross when movies cost $9 and games cost $50?
Easily when you take into account the fact that even bad movies\' first day gross is usually higher than most console games lifetime gross.
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GTA 1 and GTA 2 on the PC looked and played exactly alike yet they are two different games with two different numbers after them. :)
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ohh you\'re all wrong they\'re spin offs dammit, spin offs!!!!!
because ooseven says so.
The world is just full of spin off games. Every game made with the same engine of anther is a spin off. So, RTCW, COD are spin offs on Q3. The list could go on and on..
It’s simple, if it’s a entirely new storyline, new maps, new game play elements. I call it a sequel unless the ORIGNIAL is required to play it.
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GTA:VC and GTA:SA are spinoffs of GTA:3
why is this even being discussed?
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What is Resident Evil: Code Veronica,then?
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sequal, err prequal...RE series has sucked so much, i forgot the timeline anymore
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I like how every thread in Console Discussion gets horribly derailed.
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Me too. What a dumb discussion.
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Hey this thread is great - this blows any political debate out of the water in terms of humor. LIC is still the king of put downs in my book. :)
I am with BS regarding this game. I like it and that is good enough for me.
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oh my, look what I\'ve done.:eek:
What is Resident Evil: Code Veronica,then?
a side story:p
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pffffffffft.
like mm is ever right. He is just trying to add fuel to the fire.
and how the F@#K is gtavc and gtasa spin offs on gta3. Because they use teh same engine?!?!?!. :laughing: I\'m still waiting for a valid reason.
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Well if the name the next one GTA 4 I\'ll be really confused.
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i thought a true sequel was involving either a continuing storyline from the previous episode or a totally new storyline altogether...the gta series exist in different timelines..each totally independent of each-other.. gta3 was existing in our current timeline....gatvc in the 80\'s..gatsa in the 90\'s...so each is a separate entity of itself...they are all separate stories...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
What is Resident Evil: Code Veronica,then?
?Christ what about Homeworld Cataclysm them ?
Its not a Sequel (we had Homeworld 2 :p) and its not just a mission disk(its not a simple stop gap as it was as long if not longer and more detailed that the first homeworld).
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Back to Halo 2
I\'ve been gaming it up on live lately, my tag is Cuzimjesus
Right now I\'m a 10 overall with a rank around 80 in Head to Head. For the most part I love it on there. I just wish there was an easier way to get into group games without going thru your whole friends list.
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Originally posted by mm
sequal, err prequal...RE series has sucked so much, i forgot the timeline anymore
So, to be a sequel it has to carry on the storyline. It does not have to have a number in it or even the same game engine, correct?
Thanks for clearing that up. I am just glad that GTA VC and SA are not sequels, otherwise they would be huge dissapointments like Halo 2, right?
Oh and RE:CV and RE:Rebirth both were terrific games.
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^^^We are not making shit up arbitrarily. Rockstar themselves said they were not sequels. Capcom themselves said they were not sequels. There is a reason why the upcoming game for the Gamecube is Resident Evil 4 and not Resident Evil 13(or whatever the number is). The fact that Rockstar themselves has a GTA4 planned is enough to say that Vice City and San Andreas are not sequels. If anything they are GTA-3.2 and GTA-3.7
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Since this IS a Halo 2 thread I guess I\'ll make another comment about the game. After having beaten the game I can now voice my main complaint.
The "ending"
[sp]I was all fired up for one last fight on earth and the game just ended with a bullshit cliffhanger. On top of that the rumors are that Bungie is planning on releasing the final level on XBox live and in the OXM on a demo disk. Not cool, MS/Bungie, not cool.[/sp]
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I am sorry , but that is the most bullshit reason to justify the GTA series ever. I think it can be easily said that if a game uses the same engine and is part of the same franchise, it has the same standards to meet as a true sequel (I.E - Number in Title / Aka Halo 2). You are all saying that if the game is a spin-off (simply being a game that does not feature the same character and not a number in title) then it does not have the same set of standards to meet.
Bullshit.
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^^^Dude, no one is trying to justify anything and no one said ANYTHING about games being held to different standards. You pulled all that out of your ass.
It just seems that you have a problem grasping the concept of a sequel and a spinoff. Your opinions on something do not make them fact. You may consider Vice City/San Andreas sequels to GTA 3 but that does not make it true.
A helpful guide for future reference.
GTA 3 = Sequel
GTA: Vice City = Spinoff
GTA: San Andreas = Spinoff
Resident Evil 2 = Sequel
Resident Evil 3 = Sequel
Resident Evil: Code Veronica = Spinoff
Resident Evil: Survivor = Spinoff
Resident Evil: Survivor 2 = Spinoff
Resident Evil 4 = Sequel
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Ok well how is GTA 2 a sequel to GTA 1? They are both pretty much exactly alike and use the same engine.
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Did MM and OOseven share some of the secert stash? We are all debating the merits of Halo 2 as a sequel and somehow GTA VC got brought up. I simply stated that if it uses the same engine , part of the same franchise and uses the same fundmental gameplay, then it has the exact same standards to live up to as a sequel and somehow that has become to hard to grasp for some of you.
And RE:CV is not a friggin spinoff. It takes place in the timeline. It\'s a sequel, for cryin ****in out loud.
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thats what i said
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Weekly What\'s Update (http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=weeklywhats111204)
Elite Operative asks: Will there be downloadable updates and maps? Will there be new Campaign stuff?
Yes. We have not announced a schedule yet, but we will be making new downloadable multiplayer maps. They rock too. I\'ve played a couple. There will likely never be downloadable Campaign content, however.
B A S T A R D S . . .
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F-ck you Bungie. F-ck you up your stupid asses.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Did MM and OOseven share some of the secert stash? We are all debating the merits of Halo 2 as a sequel and somehow GTA VC got brought up. I simply stated that if it uses the same engine , part of the same franchise and uses the same fundmental gameplay, then it has the exact same standards to live up to as a sequel and somehow that has become to hard to grasp for some of you.
And RE:CV is not a friggin spinoff. It takes place in the timeline. It\'s a sequel, for cryin ****in out loud.
heh..well i came in on the middle of it..but now i understand what you\'re sayin\'....it seemed the issue was whether the gta series were true sequels of each other, which they are not....but yea if it is a new game in the series..it has to live up to the same exact standards as if it was a true sequel...
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JUST PLAYED HALO 2 2NITE!
all i can say is meh, i certainly ain\'t buing an XBOX for it like i was thinking i might.
I think i have a reason for this though, i only played like 30 mins of it because..................U CANT PLAY WITH MORE THAN ONE PERSON ON THE ONE LIVE ACCOUNT!!
this is completel crap - there must be a way around it, im probably sounding a littole crazy but let me explain:
my friend has his live account and it seems that he cannot let other peole (Guests) play in a ranked game and the only other way we can play is if we get a bunch of freinds on live to join a custom game - my question to u is - is there a sort of lobby thing (like in every other online game) where u can just join anyones game and the host can have as many players as he likes?????
I know i havent explained it righ but i hope u get my meaning - any sugestions?
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Of course you can\'t play ranked games. Sit back and think for a second. That would mess up the whole ranking system.
As far as a lobby aspect, I can see the problem. But if you have any sort of friends list it\'s easy as pie. It\'s as simple as your friend ,when playing ranked games, sending a friend invite to people he played with. From then on he can normally get them in a custom game whenever he feels.
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Originally posted by PS2_-\'_\'-_PS2
U CANT PLAY WITH MORE THAN ONE PERSON ON THE ONE LIVE ACCOUNT!!
You can have up to 3 Guests on one LIVE account.
And there are no lobbies where you can just join a game in progress. Not exactly. Basically, HALO 2\'s Online experience involves you populating your Friends List on Matchmade games. From here, you make friends and/or invite them to your party, which allows you and these players to play Custom or Ranked matches together.
If you have a large Friends List, it should be quite easy to just scroll through and go on and join a Custom game in progress.
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Originally posted by Ryu
F-ck you Bungie. F-ck you up your stupid asses.
Clam down lads
Remember the "ye olde cliffhanger" is the best way to have you back for more.
p.s.
LIC still hasn\'t answered my question Homeworld Cataclysm yet... must be his TIME-O-THE month again ;) :p
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Clam down lads
Remember the "ye olde cliffhanger" is the best way to have you back for more.
Clam down? Did you actually beat the game and see the ending?
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i really dont c why they coudnt just use the lobby system like every other on line game
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Originally posted by Ryu
Clam down? Did you actually beat the game and see the ending?
Not yet, that’s why I am saying clam down.
But still it CAN\'T be as big a disappointment than FABLE.
Somehow I don’t see Bungie being forced to make a public apology on how their game was PISS POOR,
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It isn\'t.
I\'m more pissed because HALO will probably be milked and turned to shit when the team starts losing interest and going on to other projects or leaving altogether. That\'s what HALO 2\'s ending told me.
The ending itself wasn\'t horrible. Yes, it was abrupt, no questions from the first game, the books, or in HALO 2 itself were answered, and I guess I just wanted some ****in\' closure like Bungie told us there\'d be, I wanted Microsoft to let Bungie keep HALO in the back for a while and move on to something different. I don\'t want to see this franchise milked dry, then when it finally concludes nobody\'ll care except the obsessive folk at HBO.
I guess this is the part where you guys tell me "You should have expected it". Well, don\'t. I kind of did, I just wanted to stay in denial.
[EDIT] - Funny, just checked GA and saw a thread that summed up my feelings perfectly. Ryu\'s already joined in:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=23285&page=1&pp=50
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beat it last night in co-op
way too short
:rolleyes:
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Gotta say, that it took a while, but I do somewhat enjoy the game now.. in co-op.
From what I can tell, though the game again, is horribly rushed and they simply had to cut out a lot of features, and a few of the levels.
It just feels like an incomplete product which they rushed so that it could still make a major impact this gen.
I\'d expect the game to be finished (read: the second half) on the XBox 2, and hopefully it\'ll include some of the features/vehicles/levels that had to be excluded from this game.
The game was no where near as epic as it was supposed to be.
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who plays a game for its story? don\'t you know its all about blowing shit up..?
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To quote Ryu from the thread linked above (http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=619172&postcount=78)
If Halo didn\'t setup an already great universe with its first game, 2 excellent books which expanded on the origins of the MC and happenings between the first game and the second, and an already hyped up single player game in Halo 2 which was, from what we were told, "a closely guarded secret" by Bungie, none of us would care about the story I suppose. But it\'s there, and we do.
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Not yet, that’s why I am saying clam down.
Christ. It\'s calm, not clam. The first time when I used it again as a joke it was OK, but now you did it again and it\'s annoying. Second of all, beat the game and come back to this thread and tell us all who have beaten it what to do. I doubt you, one of the biggest Xbox naysayers on this entire board, would find it acceptable or worth your time.
who plays a game for its story? don\'t you know its all about blowing shit up..?
My quote that Nu posted sums up pretty much how I feel about this one, but one other point I\'d like to add -- if it was all about the shooting and atmosphere of the game and story didn\'t matter in the slightest, then Doom 3 would be the game of the year. We all know how that one turned out though...
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I just looked at the old 8 minute E3 trailer.
I shouldn\'t have done that.
I remember being SO hyped about playing that level and now I\'m getting pissed that I had to guard a courtyard for 15 minutes instead of participating in the epic battle, for Earth, that I was expecting.
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haha. The E3 trailer, the all new vehicles (they even had completed models of them), the melee combos, the peeking around corners, the abilit to sprint... I think they got so hung up on the multiplayer, they spent all their time on that in the last year and forgot some people actually enjoyed the Halo universe and story...
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I can\'t understand why they would take that whole part out of the game. If it was working well enough for an 8-minute trailer why take it out of the game.
Bungie HAD to have known that the ending sucked. There is no way shit like that just slips by someone.
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Ryu, all the vehicles shown in the E32k3 Demo are in the final game.
The New Mombasa from E32k3 is still in the game, it\'s just been altered("dumbed down") considerably, which is what I don\'t understand. It was a real level, that had several different ways to accomplish your objective(it wasn\'t just some linear single-path thing. Although the demo did not show it, there were many differen places you go could, action and Marines all over)... It just baffles me. While the new New Mombasa looks a bit more "real", it still doesn\'t look as good as what I saw in the E32k3 Demo, mostly because of it\'s design. It\'s small, short, and all of the neat stuff overhead seen in the E32k3 Demo was taken out. Why?
After seeing the scale of Old Mombasa I\'m certainly not going to buy that it was because of some technical issues brought on by improving the textures of New Mombasa. That just don\'t make sense. Some of the cuts and changes to HALO 2 simply do not make sense.
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Nono, I wasn\'t really referring to the Guass hog, but moreso to the various other hogs and the ATV they had already rendered. I don\'t think it was detrimental to the game, and I don\'t think it would have improved the game overall if they were included, but it is one of the things on the already laundry like list of cuts that were made.
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so i went over my friends house again last night
brought the xbox out, and started playing co-op in.....halo 1
explain that
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I can\'t explain it.....
you have friends :shocked:
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yeah, i flew to oz to hang out with the abbo\'s
they got tired of playing with sticks in your grass hut
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thats cool, i didn\'t fly to the states, i\'d rather go to a place thats better then australia, not worse..
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you guys use painted stones as currency, how is that better?
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While I don\'t approve of the hijacking of the thread..
I do approve of the blatant and racist use of the term "abbo" by an American.
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its pretty funny, mm thinks it offends us :laughing:
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come on now, i wouldnt deliberatly try to offfend someone
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Code Veronica is more of a sequel than Nemesis is...
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My new dvd drive came in! woo-hoo!!
I\'ve only played the first level so far but I\'m really enjoying it. The gameplay is what I expected, much like the first game but it feels even better, imo.
The graphics are a mixed bag as of right now, the enemies look really nice but the environments, the first level anyway, is just so-so. The cut scenes are sloppy with the frame rate dips, draw-in, and the LOD is a bit slow. Odd considering I have yet to see any of that while playing...
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
you have friends :shocked:
Yeah...that threw me in a loop as well...:D
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[SPOILERS AHEAD, I\'M WARNING YOU]
I\'m four levels in now...wow. The city level is amazing, I know I\'ll be going through that one numerous times. I like the ghost vehicle even more now, the boost is cool.
I now know what people were saying about getting lost in a level, the arbiter stage was a bit confusing. I enjoyed fighting along side the covenant though, that was cool, as was the banshee fight. The energy sword owns:D
The cinematics are getting very entertaining.
My only gripe, and even more so since it was axed, is that there isn\'t a sprint. The levels are MASSIVE and it would have helped traverse them a little faster.
Perhaps I missed it, and I can\'t seem to find it in the instruction booklet, how do you jack a ghost while it\'s moving?
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At a certain point when the Ghost is ahead of you or to the side of you, you can press X and the MC will leap up and steal it. You can steal any vehicle actually.
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Dorks. Half-Life 2 is now officaly out and you guy\'s are talking about Halo 2.
Dorks.
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Thanks Ryu, I will try it out tomorrow.
licky,
gamespot gave Half-Life 2 a 9.2...
Halo 2 > Half-Life 2 :p
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haha I was thinking the same thing. IGN gave HL2 a tenth of a point less than Halo 2. I guess hype preceeds gameplay. ;)
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If you read the Half-Life 2 reviews it\'s not an end all, be all experience either. Gamespot knocked it for the story and apparently the A.I. is really good, but not the greatest.
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I will get my copy first thing tommorw, as Wal-Mart did not put them out at midnight. Will also get a copy of Vampire. Tommorw is Source Day!
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My copy of HL2 is on its way via next day air from gamestop. Thankfully they honored my 49.99 pre-order as opposed to the new 54.99 price that all stores seem to be selling it at. Also, I wouldn\'t put too much stock in Gamespot\'s review. Ign\'s review said the AI was absolutely stunning and Gamespot was the only site yet, including magazine publications, to knock it for the AI. I was reading about AI on GAF from people who have played it and reviewed it and they had the following information to feed us regarding the AI including an excerpt form one of the reviews he wrote:
"I ran for cover; they rushed me as I tried to reload. I ducked into an apartment expecting to unload my shotgun as they approached the doorway; the first guy ate lead, but his boys backed off and lobbed in a grenade. I fired a missile at a gunship; its crafty pilot contorted his flying fortress and shot down my salvo, forcing me to launch another into the sky behind him before laser-guiding it back into his blind spot. And, in what must amount to the mother of all that-did-not-just-happen moments, a strider, high on its tripod of telephone-pole-tall legs and unable to flush me out on the ground floor, planted its feet in the walls on either side of the alley and lowered itself to eye level."
Other examples of its allegedly lame A.I.: Helicopters hunt you through warehouses, open up as you pass windows, and blast the roofs bits to get a bead on you. In one section where you\'re massively outgunned you must set up remote sentries to stage an Alamo-style holdout. Placement is essential, almost an engineering challenge, as a few Combine will find ways to distract one turret while another moves in from behind to overturn it. Likewise they\'ll use grenades to knock \'em over. As you use the sentries to cover each other\'s blindspots, you\'ll see the Combine adapt accordingly, always finding gaps to exploit unless you settle on an ingenious defense plan.
I\'d also like to point out that the game does, from all that I\'ve heard, end on a dry note similar to the first Half-Life, but the actual end-game feels like just that -- unlike Halo 2 so that\'s no problem for me. I don\'t play Half-Life for its story anyhow, that\'s what Halo 2 was supposed to be for. Half-Life 2 is just going to be balls out f-cking awesome regardless though. I can\'t wait to play with the gravity gun.
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God damn I want HL2. :(
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Alamo-style holdout. Placement is essential, almost an engineering challenge
now this excites me, as space hulk:vengeance of the blood angels is still my all time favorite game
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Wow, any game that makes mm NOT act like a cynical asshat DEFINATELY deserves a second look.
;)
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give it time.....
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Originally posted by Ryu
Half-Life 2 is just going to be balls out f-cking awesome regardless though. I can\'t wait to play with the gravity gun.
THAT and the fact that you can play the first one with the source engine.
/me can\'t wait till pay day so that i can pick this bad boy up.
p.s.
Anyone know if there will be a Team Fortress source ?
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>>>Funny pic on Halo from conker live and reloaded<<< (http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/554/554331/conker-live-and-reloaded-20041005053211755.jpg)
"two million polygons equals better gameplay"
:laughing:
notice Killer Instinct on the back of that mag!
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Originally posted by ooseven
Anyone know if there will be a Team Fortress source ?
heh, Team Fortress. Now THAT brings back memories.
What is really ridiculous is that I have a magazine from almost 5(?) years back with screenshots and a write up on "Team Fortress 2".
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Heh, TF2, I believe, was one of E3\'s games of the show way back when. How pathetic is that? ;)
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Originally posted by Ryu
My quote that Nu posted sums up pretty much how I feel about this one, but one other point I\'d like to add -- if it was all about the shooting and atmosphere of the game and story didn\'t matter in the slightest, then Doom 3 would be the game of the year. We all know how that one turned out though...
haha yeah I know :D
I\'m a massive Halo fan and even I was dissapointed by the ending, and it pains me to say that :(
The onyl part I disagree with is the books, I tired to read the fall of reach but found it unbearable.
I dunno, perhaps for me when I invest the time in reading a book I want the literature to be top notch.
I\'m not trying to sound like a book worm or nothing but I just found the books to be totally laughable.
to each his own tho.
I never looked into any of the books after so I didn\'t know there was a 2nd one out until a few minutes ago when I read that there was :P
Beating the game left me very un-fulfilled tho so i\'m thinking about picking up both books (even the one I dislike so much) and read them and hopefully they can give me my halo fix
I guess I could compare my wanting of the books now to when you get really horny and you can\'t find the good porno so you have to settle for the b grade porno
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Like Ryu said, atmosphere only get\'s you so far and ID proved that with Doom 3. Another problem is that I never thought the Halo universe had much an atmosphere to begin with. Another alien invasion! Oh no! I am spoiled, I guess. Games like Half-Life 2 have experience and gameplay.
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HALO doesn\'t have gameplay?
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Heh, lets not get started on that one. :p
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If by gameplay, you mean uninspired and void of any soul, then yes, Halo has gameplay in spades. Now, if you mean gameplay as in inspired, having soul and being fun, then no, Halo doesn\'t have. So, I guess in conclusion, it comes down to what you consider gameplay.
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Oh shit. If I didn\'t appreciate the drama of people infuriating each other over videogames on a message board, and if I was a civil and law abiding moderator, it would be a good decision to delete LiC\'s post. Yet, I can\'t seem to bring myself to hit the delete button. I wonder why that is... ;) *grabs popcorn*
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I like both, it\'s possible.
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Originally posted by Nu
HALO doesn\'t have gameplay?
yes...but Half-life 2 has the bonus of having….
Half Life 2’s game play
Counter strike source’s Game play
Day of Defeat source’s game play
Half life Source’s game play
So you can see its kind of out numbered ;)
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I suppose if that were anything other than his opinion this could go somewhere.
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Originally posted by Ginko
I suppose if that were anything other than his opinion this could go somewhere.
Exactly. And that is how I phrased it, as an opinion. For me, Halo does not actually make me want to play it. When I played Halo, I felt like I was simply going thru the motions on a decent looking game. I was never excited or overwhelmed. I was simply..bored.
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I just finished Halo 2, what a great game. It improves upon the original in every way and comes out as an amazing experience. The story turned out to be far better than I thought and I find myself actually interested to what happens next. I think it was told quite well, I know what I need to know to move on without too much information that could kill the pace of the game. Perhaps it should be noted that I have not read the Halo books, and from what I\'ve read I\'m probably better off if I want to enjoy the Halo games.
Graphics, superb. I kept stopping in areas just to look around at all the gigantic structures and awesome landscapes. The enemies look great. I did not care for all the issues with the cut scenes, frame rate drops, draw-in, slow LOD, kinda sloppy however it didn\'t hurt the game too much.
Music, best soundtrack outside of an RPG for me. Truly excellent.
Gameplay. I love the first for everything it is, I must have played through the whole game at least a dozen times until I knew it far too well. I was definitely ready for new environments and I got that with the sequel, not only that but I feel this game was a far better immersive experience. I LOVE the energy sword and I came to appreciate dual welding quite a bit, mowed down plenty of covenant later on. Jacking vehicles was fun as well. I\'ve only just played co-op today and it was a blast, my friend and I were having a lot of fun, he was always looking for an energy sword.:)
As for the length of the game, I\'m not quite sure what you guys are complaining about, it\'s as long, if not longer than the first game, and definitely more challenging. I actually thought the game would end long before it did, it just kept going and getting better for me. Would I have liked more? Yes please, however I feel that Halo 2 is a very complete experience.
like the first game, I give Halo 2 a 10.:)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
If by gameplay, you mean uninspired and void of any soul, then yes, Halo has gameplay in spades. Now, if you mean gameplay as in inspired, having soul and being fun, then no, Halo doesn\'t have. So, I guess in conclusion, it comes down to what you consider gameplay.
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LiC is right. Many of these people were curiously missing from Halo 2.
/Although, now that I think about it, Stevie Wonder MAY have been my warthog driver on one of the levels.
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You forgot the most influential african american of all time
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beat halo 2 on legendary co-op last night
:snore:
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lol @ BS and THX:laughing:
mm, any truth to the whole "Coming February 9th" at the end of the credits?
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Originally posted by THX
You forgot the most influential african american of all time
:stick:
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Good games, Soul Reaver.
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Yea, good games.
I\'m also level 10 now.
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should i buy an xbox for halo2?
£120 for Crystal Xbox and Halo 2
I liked the first one and i love the swords lol
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Liking the first one may not mean you\'ll like the sequel. While there are a lot of people who may tell you it\'s the same game with a new coat of polish, there are some pretty big differences that you may not appreciate none too much.
I suggest you play it at a friend\'s, or rent an Xbox and the game before you consider purchasing it.
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The only two real differences would be that there is no pistol and you have no health bar.
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... On top of all the things I listed in this post (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=504213#post504213).
It\'s not just the loss of the M6D Pistol and Health Bar.
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Oh yes, the dual wielding, auto aim bs, lock on rockets, sword, dash melee, and the boarding ability.
However, out of all the tweaks, the most I notice are the two that I pointed out earlier. (When it comes to killing, of course.)
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I can\'t believe I still have not played the game. I really have not had to much time for games and did not want to waste the 50 bucks on a game I would never have time to play. When I am playing a game it\'s usually ESPN or NBA LIVE which I don\'t play often.
Maybe since this semester is almost over I will have more time for gaming I may pick it up tomarrow my last final is tonite so whipppppppppppppppppy:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Y\'know, I didn\'t really notice how bad the aim-assist was until about a week ago. In HALO, the lower your health/shields had gotten, the stickier your reticle was on the opponent. In HALO 2, it\'s like that regardless.
It\'s little changes like that that make HALO 2 a more "noob-friendly" game. Though I\'m not going to go the way of the "hater" and say it doesn\'t require as much skill as the first game, because it does.
No, don\'t argue. I\'m right. Shutup. :)
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"the stickier your reticle was on the opponent" tee hee, u said rectile...sorry i need to grow up :)
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Originally posted by Nu
Y\'know, I didn\'t really notice how bad the aim-assist was until about a week ago. In HALO, the lower your health/shields had gotten, the stickier your reticle was on the opponent. In HALO 2, it\'s like that regardless.
It\'s little changes like that that make HALO 2 a more "noob-friendly" game. Though I\'m not going to go the way of the "hater" and say it doesn\'t require as much skill as the first game, because it does.
No, don\'t argue. I\'m right. Shutup. :)
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