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;) I just wanted to be the first to say it. But in case I\'m wrong :
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I\'ll save you the trouble of posting that picture. :D
Yes, mm....this is so 1948.
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you could have done this tomorrow and it would have made more sense.
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Or a whole lot less.
See Yuz.
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im not into politics but if he gets re-elected god help us all
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"lesser of two evils"
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mm, that\'s just something uninformed people say. Things like that and "I voted for Bush."
I think Bush is gonna win, and it makes me mad. I still don\'t see why people would pick him.
-Dan
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Because Kerry is an idiot? I don\'t see how people would pick Kerry. And yes I\'m just saying this to make a point. We all feel differently...the entire country is basically divided 50/50...so yeah...
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Well, at least you\'ll only have to endure another 4 years of idiocy, then Bush will be gone. :)
(I know there\'ll be another idiot to replace him, but I just can\'t stand to look at Bush)
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
mm, that\'s just something uninformed people say. Things like that and "I voted for Bush."
I think Bush is gonna win, and it makes me mad. I still don\'t see why people would pick him.
-Dan
:rolleyes:
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Now that Bush is basically the president elect, unless of course there are something like 300k worth of votes someplace in Ohio unaccounted for, this makes one singular question that screams speculation and discourse...
Where do you think Osama Bin Laden will strike first? We should have an online pool and everyone can put in 5 bucks into a paypal account for each guessed city and the winner gets the pot. If no one gets it, we\'ll just donate the cash to Penny-Arcade\'s Child\'s Play (http://www.childsplaycharity.org/) charity drive.
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If Osama strikes it\'ll just give us more incentive to send some grunts to the mideast to kick some alien ass.
Bring it on muhfukkuz
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Originally posted by Samwise
Well, at least you\'ll only have to endure another 4 years of idiocy, then Bush will be gone. :)
(I know there\'ll be another idiot to replace him, but I just can\'t stand to look at Bush)
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My choice would be Colin Powell for the next republican Runner.
Well respected and i would trust him with my life.
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I\'m going to my room and locking my door.
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Take George Soros with you.
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Nevermind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Soros_vs._Bush)
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Ugh.. I was overestimating the american public, I actually thought Kerry was going to win.
Too bad. Now I\'ll go back to wondering what the hell has happened to my polarsock, one has completely disappeared from the face of the earth.. :( Im FREEZING!
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In 2008, the next President will be another Republican : John McCain.
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I feel like Hibernating for the next 4 years
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Has Bush actually won Ohio yet? I havent seen anything this morning. Last I saw, *at like 3 in the morning) Ohio was still grey. Im so pissed off at people like my best friend right now. They had major beef with Bush, yet they did nothing. Its the reason Bush will be America\'s President for another 4 fugin years.
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MSNBC, Fox and I think a few other media outlets have called Ohio for Bush. He is ahead by 137,000 votes with 100 percent of the precincts reporting. There is a charge by the DNC that 125,000 provisional ballots haven\'t been counted. Most of these ballots are cast by unregistered voters or have other problems regarding the registration process. So even if all counted and none went for Bush - Bush still wins Ohio. That is why MSNBC and Fox have called it for Bush.
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I love how the pulling state always has some kind of a problem during the voting process involving Bush.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I feel like Hibernating for the next 4 years
No your not.... your getting drafed for the Invasion of IRAN.
And remember PEOPLE ....they throw lefty hippies like you that dodge the draft into prison.... So unless you want to be someone\'s Soap B*tch you will have to kill or be killed for uncle Sam.
Yeehhhhhhaaaaaaaa
/me stradles a Nuke and presses the bomb bay doors button in a Dr strangelove style.
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Originally posted by ooseven
No your not.... your getting drafed for the Invasion of IRAN.
And remember PEOPLE ....they throw lefty hippies like you that dodge the draft into prison.... So unless you want to be someone\'s Soap B*tch you will have to kill or be killed for uncle Sam.
Yeehhhhhhaaaaaaaa
/me stradles a Nuke and presses the bomb bay doors button in a Dr strangelove style.
I hope that was sarcasm.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I hope that was sarcasm.
You shut it too
You will be called up as well :D...
Mind you knowing Tony and his follow everything bush does, we might have the draft too.
So Giga and Quddus i\'ll see you on the streets of Tehran.
I\'ll be the one with the SA 80 saaving your ass from RPG fire.
:p
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I put in my time... but hey give me an automatic rifle and some BDU\'s and let me work for Homeland Security. I already have my list suspects. ;)
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Homeland Security ?
You do realise that if a Draft happens you are Send where they tell you.
Well unless your rich enough to dodge it that is....
Or not rich are you ?
if so buy my ATI 9800 Pro.... HL2 is comming out.
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I am too old I believe - but if they got desperate I would go.
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I doubt the draft will happen.
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Dear God, I wish I could have the news on right now... I felt like I was watching a football game last night as I saw the states fill in red or blue.
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Originally posted by MPTheory
Dear God, I wish I could have the news on right now... I felt like I was watching a football game last night as I saw the states fill in red or blue.
It sort of was like a sporting event last night wasn\'t it? I thought CNN\'s coverage was much better than Fox\'s at the beginning. I like the way they used the NASDAQ screens as a backdrop to show results.
Fox on the other hand started questioning the exit polls relatively early when the results were not matching the polls... I have to give them some credit for that quick call.
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It\'s kind of sad that analyst on the networks are saying that many people elected Bush because of morals. .
Anyways Kerry should just call it quits. It\'s better for the country and it would only cause more drama.
Now we have to sit here and watch a full on control of Republicans on this country. Nothing would really balance and check each other any more. And I\'m sure that if Bush has the power to appoint some new judges they would only increase his imperialistic hold of the government.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Anyways Kerry should just call it quits. It\'s better for the country and it would only cause more drama.
One out of three paragraphs is a start I guess. This is the most intelligent thing you have said in a while.
I told my wife last night that whoever was down this morning should concede. The reason? To try and start healing the great divide in the country. I said this before, but I knew whoever won was going to have the difficult task of trying to heal the deep divisions in this country and a good start would be for the defeated candidate to just concede.
Bush has his work cut out for him - in addition to healing this nation he needs to clean up the mess that is Iraq, improve Homeland Security, keep the economy moving in the right direction and start reducing our deficit.
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Hmm...No
I still think this nation is going to head in the wrong direction with Bush in power. Bush is basically ruling this country with full support of every part of government. Every part. Now all we can do is sit back, whine about it but have no affect in the outcome because the scary and deppresing fact that the GOP holds full control of the government.
The fathers of this country are probably crying in their graves.
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Exactly what is this wrong direction? It certainly isn\'t the economy or homeland security. A majority of Americans tend to disagree with you Mystiq and they echoed that sentiment at the polls yesterday.
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Can\'t say I\'m surprised that Bush won, but I\'d be lying if I said I wasn\'t disappointed. South Park made the best parody when they had that giant douche and terd sandwhich running against each other, we really can\'t win with either one. Oh well, back to not caring...
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The best bet now is to pretend there was never a better option and that we was forced into having Bush as our supreme leader - that way we can have some kind of numbness to the fact that a complete dolt runs the country.
:D
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Kerry concedes. McCain/Guilliani for 2008! :D
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I am happy Bush won, but I am glad it is over even more so. It is time to try and start healing this country and to a lesser extent this forum ;).
The division in this country has become too great IMO. I am not going to gloat or go into any I told you so\'s. It was a tough campaign and I respect each candidate for the effort they put in. I wish to also apologize to anyone I have offended with my partisan posts and specifically to Coredweller for labeling him as hating America. I made the comment towards the end of the election when things were really heating up and I did not think the comment through. He, least of all deserved the label that I pinned on him... so I formally apologize Core.
Lastly, with the election over - I am hoping tensions will wind down here and we can start being constructive again and share viewpoints instead of attacking them (yes, I know I have been guilty - but it was election fever!).
PS - I think McCain and Guilliani would be a great ticket for 2008...
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Do you think Kerry will be back in \'08?
And if McCain does run in \'08, I will definitely vote for him, I won\'t have any of the indecision I had this year.
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Kerry is done on the national scene. Hillary will run in 08.
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\'08 will bring on the moderate Republicans to the forefront (McCain and Guilliani). This year\'s election was the most divided this country has ever been in over a hundred years. I consider myself a moderate Republican and with them on the ballot, I hope this will united this country even further. W. Bush will try to start the healing process but I hope the Democrats\' leaders aren\'t too upset and try to make it a harder path for him.
I think I\'ll go check out the Michael Moore and MTV forums. :p
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Michael Moore\'s site hasn\'t been updated since yesterday - pretty amusing if you read "Mike\'s Message".
Democratic Underground has closed their forums to unregistered users as well.
I agree the next Republican ticket needs to be more moderate. This one was a little too conservative even for me, but faced with the alternative I would rather have Bush and Co.
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My boss was saying last night, statistically, we never voted out a president during war time. Theres another number to that statistic, even though it was close.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The division in this country has become too great IMO. I am not going to gloat or go into any I told you so\'s. It was a tough campaign and I respect each candidate for the effort they put in. I wish to also apologize to anyone I have offended with my partisan posts and specifically to Coredweller for labeling him as hating America. I made the comment towards the end of the election when things were really heating up and I did not think the comment through. He, least of all deserved the label that I pinned on him... so I formally apologize Core.
Apology accepted. Enough said about that.
It\'s going to take me a while to digest the results of this election and draw conclusions from it. A couple things have come to mind however:
These results may demolish the theory that has been generally accepted among progressives that there is some great untapped source of liberal support among people who don\'t vote. I\'ve heard it said that there are masses of poor, disenfranchised, and disillusioned middle and lower class people in this country who would vote liberal if they thought voting made any difference. Now we see the highest voter turnout in 30 years, along with the most offensive Republican incumbent as a target, and still the liberal side can only muster a little less than half the electorate. In addition, some of the support that went to Kerry will no doubt drift away when they see that their vote had no effect.
We do seem to be a bitterly divided nation, but I\'m asking myself what kind of a candidate it would take to bring about one of those landslide victories from the old days. It would definitely help for both parties to play against their stereotype in selecting their next nominee. If the Republicans nominated a thoughtful, intellectual easterner, or if the Democrats nominated another charismatic southern populist of modest origins (ala clinton), we might see more of a more crushing and decisive victory next time. Instead we had the republican "good old boy hick" versus the democratic "eastern elitest." Of course the Republican party will probably see this as a validation of their strategy and look for another good old boy next time around.
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Meh, I was gonna post a funny picture...didnt work. Anyways..glad to see Kerry isnt going to fight this thing.
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Cored, my "sandal wearing guitar strumming liberal" was in jest. Hope you didn\'t take it personally. To make up for it, I\'ll drive your car every morning so the engine will be nice and warm when you\'re ready to drive to work. ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Michael Moore\'s site hasn\'t been updated since yesterday - pretty amusing if you read "Mike\'s Message".
Democratic Underground has closed their forums to unregistered users as well.
I agree the next Republican ticket needs to be more moderate. This one was a little too conservative even for me, but faced with the alternative I would rather have Bush and Co.
true dat... I don\'t like the religious leanings of this admin, but I also can\'t stand whiny, pandering liberals who give away all my money... that\'s why I didn\'t vote, I didn\'t like either of the candidates... I was happy to just let whatever happen...maybe next time I can vote for someone I respect...
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Originally posted by Coredweller
It\'s going to take me a while to digest the results of this election and draw conclusions from it. A couple things have come to mind however:
These results may demolish the theory that has been generally accepted among progressives that there is some great untapped source of liberal support among people who don\'t vote. I\'ve heard it said that there are masses of poor, disenfranchised, and disillusioned middle and lower class people in this country who would vote liberal if they thought voting made any difference. Now we see the highest voter turnout in 30 years, along with the most offensive Republican incumbent as a target, and still the liberal side can only muster a little less than half the electorate. In addition, some of the support that went to Kerry will no doubt drift away when they see that their vote had no effect.
That is an excellent analysis. I thought for sure that the 18-29 year olds would show up in force, yet they didn\'t. The Republicans mobilization effort went mostly unnoticed - even to myself who keeps up with various GOP activities around the nation. To be honest - I was fully expecting Kerry to win this election. He seemed to have the momentum in the last week leading up to election day.
I also agree with you analysis on what it would take to have another widely popular president. A moderate republican or democrat would fit the bill.
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I am also suprised at the lack of turnout for the demmys.... Perhaps the democrats just talk a lot louder then the republicans...
I dunno where things are headed, but I obviously can\'t say that things are headed where I want them too. I am baffled that so many people would vote for a President that is IMO blatantly ignoring the constitution, but most conservitives I talk to focus 99% on the War on Terror.... So that could be the reason.
But anyways, please don\'t argue any of the above comments as they were not meant to spark debate, I am tired of it for now....
Congradulations to the Bush people on this forum for ruining my day though, you bastards. ;)
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Was an interesting election, messed up outcome though :/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6396422/
;)
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:laughing:
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I am against the nation\'s backwards social movement present in Bush\'s religion-based stance on the country\'s issues. I know that Kerry couldn\'t have magically fixed the war and terrorist problems, but at least he was for the progress of social and scientific enlightenment.
Bush\'s stance against gay couples being able to share the benefits of being married really bothered me. It seemed like we were heading towards understanding and compassion for all mankind to have equal rights.
Maybe in the next 4 years Bush can ban women from voting.
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I was surprised to see how Democratic Nevada has become... all those Californians keep piling in...
Was a close election... Ultimately I wouldn\'t have been too disappointed had Kerry won, but I\'m glad that the better candidate won.
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The better candidate? Lord, you actually believe that don\'t you.
Kerry won all 3 debates, is the better public speaker, and still lost the election. Why? Because people in Ohio would rather lose their jobs and retain their guns than look out for their best interests. Awesome. Apparently the last name "Nugent" is more popular in Ohio than I originally thought.
See Yuz.
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He didn\'t win all 3 debates...most ppl said Bush won the 3rd one, but that didn\'t really matter, because 30+ million were watching the first debate when Bush sucked, but everybody was watching the baseball game instead during the 3rd debate, when Bush didn\'t suck. And Kerry repeated himself about 10 trillion times...and although Kerry is a better speaker...they both suck @ss...
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I disagree with Bush\'s opinions on gun control, abortion, gay marriage, foreign relations and wages. His lack of funding for mandated school programs bothers me, too.
Now we have to pay the money for that so Bush can spend it, then pay it again locally so the schools can recoop.
The only thing positive I see in him, is his resolve to keep North Korea from murdering everyone. They are, after all, evil doers.
-Dan
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
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He didn\'t win all 3 debates...most ppl said Bush won the 3rd one, but that didn\'t really matter, because 30+ million were watching the first debate when Bush sucked, but everybody was watching the baseball game instead during the 3rd debate, when Bush didn\'t suck. And Kerry repeated himself about 10 trillion times...and although Kerry is a better speaker...they both suck @ss...
You must ignore my previous comments...I\'m a discouraged democratic voter that\'s still pissed over last night :(
Just thought I\'d point that out before Giga\'s 5 miles up my ass :-P
See Yuz.
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I have to agree. I have questions now such as, where are we going to go with stem cell research? We all knew Kerry supported it fully, but the Bush Admisntration really doesn\'t.
Honestly, one of my main reasons for not supporting Bush other than the war in Iraq, is his religious stance and how he puts that into all the choices he makes about this country. From someone who has no religion, I find it disturbing.
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Kerry won all 3 debates, is the better public speaker, and still lost the election.
So? Kerry can talk better, we all already knew Bush wasnt that good with words. The candidate\'s speaking ability isn\'t what is going to get him elected.
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Stem-cell, abortion, gay rights and separation of Church and state are at stake now for the following four years.
Giga...If I remember correctly alot of people trusted Bush just because of "morals"
This country is DIVIDED heavily. 4million votes isn\'t really that much of a difference. I really hope(probably in vain) that Bush won\'t begin to make choices due to his religion.
Four more years...
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Sincerely, I do believe Bush was the better candidate for the next four years. He began this entire "War on Terror" and I think its only appropriate that he continues the offensive. I couldn\'t imagine the mess we\'d get into with Bush\'s plan dumped onto Kerry\'s lap. Hopefully with these next four years, Bush can tie up many loose ends and get this country on the right track. Maybe it was boastful to state Bush was the better candidate, but then again you cannot say that Kerry would have been a great president. We\'re in a mess right now, and I think Bush is the right guy to get it cleaned up. I like his idea of an offensive approach to terrorism, and keeping them on the run.
I trust Bush because the guy stands up for what he believes in, and doesn\'t show any signs of hesitation. He\'s not the greatest president, but he\'s what we need right now.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
This country is DIVIDED heavily. 4million votes isn\'t really that much of a difference. I really hope(probably in vain) that Bush won\'t begin to make choices due to his religion.
The country is only as divided as people are allowing it to be. If people want to be so anti-Bush, and so left-sided, and don\'t want to just put all this party bullshit aside, then the country will become divided. The most disappointing thing from this election I\'ve seen is how bitter many democrats have become, and are pulling these "division" cards left and right.
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If so many Americans weren\'t out of jobs, the economy wasn\'t in such a poor state and the war in iraq wasn\'t a blunder I wouldn\'t have a problem with bush at all.
I mean this country is in a sad state. I mean so many people are out of work it\'s scary. And healthcare in this country is at it\'s worst.
And bush will put more judges in office and they will continue to make sure that the little guy never gets a dime.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Stem-cell, abortion, gay rights and separation of Church and state are at stake now for the following four years.
Giga...If I remember correctly alot of people trusted Bush just because of "morals"
This country is DIVIDED heavily. 4million votes isn\'t really that much of a difference. I really hope(probably in vain) that Bush won\'t begin to make choices due to his religion.
Four more years...
Mystiq - really... the religious stuff is getting old. I have read 3 different threads now and you keep saying the same thing about how Bush is going to turn this country into a theocracy.
Come back to reality buddy, that is not going to happen. To put it another way - you can start to worry when we make this an English only country and if it makes you feel any better my wife and I voted for Bush and are not religious at all - t wasn\'t a factor for us. Then again I don\'t knock someone for having faith.
What has divided this country is the election of 2000 and the War in Iraq - not religion.
And Quddus - the economy is not bad at all. Ask any economist.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
And Quddus - the economy is not bad at all. Ask any economist.
I am no economist but I don\'t see how can a country be doing great when many of the working people that fuel this country are out of work.
We had a company shut down a few weeks ago 3000 people are out of work. The job market is already non-existent as it is up here. My friend has been trying to find a job for two months. And he graduated with his B.A. He has got to a point were he needs money and will take anything.
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The country is only as divided as people are allowing it to be. If people want to be so anti-Bush, and so left-sided, and don\'t want to just put all this party bullshit aside, then the country will become divided. The most disappointing thing from this election I\'ve seen is how bitter many democrats have become, and are pulling these "division" cards left and right.
So you\'re saying that people should just put up or shut up? Yes, democrats are vocal, but it\'s primarily because the main issues we support, stated numerous times already in this thread, are issues Bush and most "moral" republicans are against. We have a right to stand up and speak up about our beliefs as that\'s what our founding fathers intended.
Don\'t worry though as it seems many of the primarily democratic states are taking matters into their own hands when it comes to particular issues. California (yah, go us!) will support a women\'s right to choose so long as we have a female democratic senator and we\'ve already started our own stem cell research initiative. When we are able to produce the technology that saves lives, we\'ll get out of our deficit by selling it to the rest of the US. :p
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Originally posted by QuDDus
My friend has been trying to find a job for two months. And he graduated with his B.A. He has got to a point were he needs money and will take anything.
That\'s one reason I am going into the military, along with the myriad of other reasons. If I can\'t find a job, I can go in full time until something opens up somewhere. But, a lot of people don\'t want to do that, even though they are always looking for troops (although its very understandable since we\'re at war why no one would enter for money). Its gotta be something you want.
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If I can\'t find a job, I can go in full time until something opens up somewhere.
Are you talking about becoming like a weekend warrior or something like that?
Anyways, I think serving in the US military should be one of the most lucrative jobs in the US. We shouldn\'t be wasting money on missile defense systems and bunker busting nuclear weapons, but rather on making the military a profession that earns 80+k a year with full benefits for the personel and for their families with fully paid for college tuition for their children. All of America trusts our troops with protecting the nation, we should be giving them some of the best treatment on Earth for it. It is the most dangerous job in the world afterall.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Anyways, I think serving in the US military should be one of the most lucrative jobs in the US. We shouldn\'t be wasting money on missile defense systems and bunker busting nuclear weapons, but rather on making the military a profession that earns 80+k a year with full benefits for the personel and for their families with fully paid for college tuition for their children. All of America trusts our troops with protecting the nation, we should be giving them some of the best treatment on Earth for it. It is the most dangerous job in the world afterall.
Hah... My dad would love to have you as president then. He isn\'t exactly in the line of fire, but he has busted his ass off for the government.
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Hah... My dad would love to have you as president then. He isn\'t exactly in the line of fire, but he has busted his ass off for the government.
But it\'s the truth. Sure, some of the military are not in the line of fire, but an FBI agent or director makes FAR MORE money then anyone in the military and yet they aren\'t on the front lines every day staring the enemy in the face. If we\'re going to ask volunteers to put their lives on the line for our safety, we should be showing our appreciation, not by ridiculing their actions or the actions of their leader, but by offering them a benefits package that would make serving in the military a job that would, at some point, cross anyone\'s mind as a distinct possibility.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I am no economist but I don\'t see how can a country be doing great when many of the working people that fuel this country are out of work.
We had a company shut down a few weeks ago 3000 people are out of work. The job market is already non-existent as it is up here. My friend has been trying to find a job for two months. And he graduated with his B.A. He has got to a point were he needs money and will take anything.
tru no doubt! as of 10 am this morning we get to find out on my job about our outsourcing situation. it\'s weird even tho the u.s. is losin\' jobs i still feel bush is the better leader here...od course i don\'t agree with his iraq policy (should be known by all by now) it\'s just that i\'m smart enough to know that big business is what runs america..and guess who\'s in the white house? that\'s right a rich person..kerry is right up there with bush when it comes to the job situation..
the rich get richer and the poor stay poorer...big business will lace the current admin. pockets in exchange for policies that suit them..i know that in reality that these cats don\'t give a f**k about the middle class that\'s busting they\'re a$$ to make it happen..but i felt he\'s the better of the two evils...these rich bastards can\'t relate to a motherf*cker that grew up with nothing and made something of himself..to me that\'s the type of people we need to be pres...not these rich candidates that say they can relate..it\'s all bulls**t..end of rant...
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Yeah Bush doesn\'t care about the middle class :rolleyes: I guess that check I got last year was just my imagination. ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Yeah Bush doesn\'t care about the middle class :rolleyes: I guess that check I got last year was just my imagination. ;)
giga i already stated numerous times about how bush is at least givin something back to the people...where\'s your memory at? bottomline is that the rich will always stick together...and if you really think these people have your best interest at hand,..think again...
my thing is i just think more common people need to be on the scene in terms of the presidency...people more in touch with reality...
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The problem is clips - you need money to run for President.
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I read somewhere....I can\'t recall....that the poor and the rich benefitted most from the Bush administration. The middle class got taxed more.
But here\'s something that will never change - the rich will always be rich no matter which party is in office.
Look at it in its most simplest form - The rich hire the middle class, the tax from middle class take care of the poor. Unfortunately, the poor have a far higher birth rate than the any of the two groups. So go figure. It\'s a mess.
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yea i agree with both gman & giga..and on another note..you gotta forgive me a bit..i just found out our company are outsourcing our IT dept...:(
so giga and gman..you want that supersized? ;)...sheeit i\'m joking about it but it\'s really a f**ked up feeling...been here for 15 years and now this...just a sign of the times tho...we have up until april of 05...hopefully i\'ll find something else or maybe i\'ll just go with the outsourcing company....in any case i\'m gonna have to man up and deal with it..
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Sorry to hear that clips... I have been down that path before, but take heart - there is a reason behind everything. You will find a better job, though it may not be immediate.
Question - if they are outsourcing and you state you will go with just them are you leaving the country? I have a feeling that you are confusing outsourcing with corporate merging or sub contracting. Outsourcing is where a company moves its say Customer Service department to India and pay them $2.00 an hour as opposed to the $9.00 an hour they were paying their employees in the US.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Sorry to hear that clips... I have been down that path before, but take heart - there is a reason behind everything. You will find a better job, though it may not be immediate.
Question - if they are outsourcing and you state you will go with just them are you leaving the country? I have a feeling that you are confusing outsourcing with corporate merging or sub contracting. Outsourcing is where a company moves its say Customer Service department to India and pay them $2.00 an hour as opposed to the $9.00 an hour they were paying their employees in the US.
well we just seen a videotape of our IT manager talking about our outsourcing situation...i guess you can you can say they are subcontracting our jobs to another company..thus saving them (my company) somewhere around 115 mil- 132 mil over so many yrs...no it\'s not an international shift but domestically...thing is, is that you\'re not guaranteed to have a job with the outsourcing co...
you have to interview with them and then they\'ll let you know in jan of 05 whether you\'re an employee with them...i mean it\'s actually not that bad..you get to keep your current salary and retirement plans if we go with them...i think i\'d rather just post out of my current IT dept and find another job within my company..just in another dept...ex...claims dept..or internal audit dept etc...
i really like the IT field it\'s just that it seemed this profession has grown too fast and that the technology is so efficicent now, that you don\'t need a full staff to run these massive data centers..i didn\'t mean for this to become long..but i\'ve never been in this situation before...
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Our department outsourced our Tier 1 Helpdesk to Texas.
We\'re all a little shaken but it\'s one of those adapt or die situations.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Our department outsourced our Tier 1 Helpdesk to Texas.
We\'re all a little shaken but it\'s one of those adapt or die situations.
ironically our data center is being transferred to dallas! :eek: what a small world...
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We aren\'t talking about the outsourcing that Kerry and Bush discussed in the debates. That type of outsourcing means sending American jobs to foreign countries. What you two are talking about is sub contracting.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
We aren\'t talking about the outsourcing that Kerry and Bush discussed in the debates. That type of outsourcing means sending American jobs to foreign countries. What you two are talking about is sub contracting.
Off Shoring is what you\'re talking about. Outsourcing is what clip and I are talking about.
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Outsourcing and Subcontracting are pretty much the same thing. The differ in that when you outsource you pay a company for a good or service based on your specifications and you have little to no input on how they achieve that final product. When you subcontract a job you generally own all of the material used to achieve the final product or at least you can tell the person under contract what material to use.
It is kind of like buying a sandwich verse buying bread/meat/cheese and paying someone to put it together.
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We outsourced our Helpdesk to Unisys. We\'ll see how long they last. Our users = bitches on PMS. ;)