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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Halberto on November 19, 2004, 11:22:07 PM
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Craziest thing Ive ever seen happen in the NBA....
Jermaine O\'Neil sucker punched some guy, a chair was thrown, and they found some old lady on the floor when a crowd broke up.
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That should teach old ladies from ruining a perfectly fine basketball game.
Someone hook us up with a link when you see one.
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worst NBA moment...EVAR. Well atleast on par with Rudy T and Kermit Washington.
That sucker punch by oneal was shit. The fans were retarded, but that damned sucker punch was unbelievable. I wonder if the whole team will be suspended. They\'ll probably stagger the suspensions, but I think they should have to play a couple games with 2 guys.
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Then there was Dennis Rodman kicking that guy in the nuts...but that doesn\'t count because Rodman isn\'t a human being...
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http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/motion/showcase/index?videos=1927343
Little video. Appparently the guy who O\'Neil went after in the stands was not the same guy who threw the cup, but his friend.
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THe ESPN guys were seriously sticking up for the players.
I agree the fans are very obnoxious, but damn, they got slugged.
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Ok, heres the situation you are walking down a street and someone throws a beer or something at you, what do you do??? You ****ing turn around and clock his ass, the fans were ****ing retarded, and if any suspensions come out of this I expect a big uprise by the players, security was at fault here. This was bad for everybody, but fans have become more and more ****ing retards and this has got to stop.
I don\'t condone the players reactions or thing they were right, but I don\'t blame them for what they did either, 1000\'s of people vs 3-4 people hmmm, sucker punches??? How many times were the Pacers players sucker punched from behind or anything else without there knowledge.
A freaking chair was thrown I hope they make a lot of arrests, I just feel bad for the NBA players that will be sued and possibly lose money because of this incident, they are going to become rich because of there stupidity.
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Man Artest is a ****ing idiot. Someone throws a plastic cup out of the stands. He has nowhere in the world who throws it so he runs up in the stands:rolleyes:
And then takes out his frustration on the wrong guy at that. Come on give me a damn break.
And I am not defending the fans just because I live in Detroit. But come on now as a professional athlete you have to have better sense than that. What harm did the paper cup do to him?
I mean lunging into the crowd over a thrown paper cup.
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Detroit fans are morons and Ron Artest is a f*cking nutcase.
That\'s about it.
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Nobody was right here. The fans shouldnt have thrown ANYTHING and the the players should have walked out. Now they will be dealing with lawsuits.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Man Artest is a ****ing idiot. Someone throws a plastic cup out of the stands. He has nowhere in the world who throws it so he runs up in the stands:rolleyes:
And then takes out his frustration on the wrong guy at that. Come on give me a damn break.
And I am not defending the fans just because I live in Detroit. But come on now as a professional athlete you have to have better sense than that. What harm did the paper cup do to him?
I mean lunging into the crowd over a thrown paper cup.
Paper cup? Are you insane, from all the replays that was a plastic cup (and not one of the flimsy ones at that, this had harder edges and looked as if the bottom, the hard edge, hit Artest in the face). Now add to that the fact that the cup looked to be full and the fan threw it at point blank range.
I want you to lye down on a table somewhere, and let me throw a full plastic cup at your face from point blank range and you tell me how it feels.
Now, on the other hand, I do not agree with Artest going into the stands, but for the most part until that, he was lounging on the scorers table trying to stay out of it.
Stephen Jackson is the one that needs to get the biggest of all Suspensions. He went into the stands fists blazing and he wasn\'t a part of the intial skirmish.
Oneal and Artest punching the fan on the court, thats an altogether different realm. If Monica Seles has taugt us anything, you go onto the court and square off to a player, you get what you deserve.
Now on the other end of things, I on\'t blame the city of Detroit, I don\'t blame Detroit fans. I blame the 100-150 fans that felt the need to act like idiots. The fight was calmed and nothing would\'ve happened until ONE Moron started it again, then it was escalated by Artest making a dumb move and the 100-150 dumbass fans adding to it by throwing chairs, coming onto the court, throwing everything else, etc. so Detroit will also get an unfair reputation for the incident.
Brad
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Originally posted by bradleyscott
Paper cup? Are you insane, from all the replays that was a plastic cup (and not one of the flimsy ones at that, this had harder edges and looked as if the bottom, the hard edge, hit Artest in the face). Now add to that the fact that the cup looked to be full and the fan threw it at point blank range.
I want you to lye down on a table somewhere, and let me throw a full plastic cup at your face from point blank range and you tell me how it feels.
Now, on the other hand, I do not agree with Artest going into the stands, but for the most part until that, he was lounging on the scorers table trying to stay out of it.
Stephen Jackson is the one that needs to get the biggest of all Suspensions. He went into the stands fists blazing and he wasn\'t a part of the intial skirmish.
Oneal and Artest punching the fan on the court, thats an altogether different realm. If Monica Seles has taugt us anything, you go onto the court and square off to a player, you get what you deserve.
Now on the other end of things, I on\'t blame the city of Detroit, I don\'t blame Detroit fans. I blame the 100-150 fans that felt the need to act like idiots. The fight was calmed and nothing would\'ve happened until ONE Moron started it again, then it was escalated by Artest making a dumb move and the 100-150 dumbass fans adding to it by throwing chairs, coming onto the court, throwing everything else, etc. so Detroit will also get an unfair reputation for the incident.
Brad
Well he did not hit Artest at full point range. From the replay that has been shown millions of times looks as if the cup was empty when it Artest.
And it bounced off his chest. And it\'s a freaking plastic cup:rolleyes: Now I am not all for the guy who threw it. Becase no matter how much of an idiot Artest is. That does not give you the right to throw anything at him.
In regards to situation Artest has to have common sense it was only a paper cup man. It was the end of the game just walk off and let it ride.
The rest of the pacers staff and players who got into the fight should face penalty.
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the fans were wrong, but it was just a damned plastic cup. As a pro athelet you have to restrain yourself at moments like this. I mean some of the more hated players face this kind of stuff on a regular basis. You have security there to do the dirty work, he should have just pointed the guy out and let security take care of it. This would be like if I were on the street surrounded by gang members and cops, a gang member throws something at me, do I jump him and have the gang jump me or do I let the cops do the dirty work for me, which is what there job is.
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Originally posted by Luke
Detroit fans are morons
Agreed. In this instance, I have no problem with Ron Artest beating the shit out of any of those idiots. Detroit is such a shithole. Its pathetic that had to happen.
Where the hell was the security? That was ridiculous that fans were able to just walk on the court.
Once again, more reason to hate the city of Detroit. F*ckin armpit of America.
Originally posted by theomen
the fans were wrong, but it was just a damned plastic cup. As a pro athelet you have to restrain yourself at moments like this. I mean some of the more hated players face this kind of stuff on a regular basis. You have security there to do the dirty work, he should have just pointed the guy out and let security take care of it. This would be like if I were on the street surrounded by gang members and cops, a gang member throws something at me, do I jump him and have the gang jump me or do I let the cops do the dirty work for me, which is what there job is.
I disagree. Regardless if they are these high-pedestal athletes or not, they still have the right to defend themselves as individuals. The point is the security wasn\'t there to do jack shit, as evident in the video, and Artest won\'t take that shit, as he shouldn\'t. I actually hate Artest and think he\'s a dirty player, but in this scenario, every punch he threw was justified.
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ever walked the "bad" streets? If someone calls you a name you keep walking, because if you fight you\'ll just start something you can\'t finish.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Agreed. In this instance, I have no problem with Ron Artest beating the shit out of any of those idiots. Detroit is such a shithole. Its pathetic that had to happen.
Where the hell was the security? That was ridiculous that fans were able to just walk on the court.
Once again, more reason to hate the city of Detroit. F*ckin armpit of America.
I disagree. Regardless if they are these high-pedestal athletes or not, they still have the right to defend themselves as individuals. The point is the security wasn\'t there to do jack shit, as evident in the video, and Artest won\'t take that shit, as he shouldn\'t. I actually hate Artest and think he\'s a dirty player, but in this scenario, every punch he threw was justified.
**** YOU MAN. DON\'T GENERALIZE AN ENTIRE CITY OF PEOPLE BASED OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW 100 PEOPLE WHO DON\'T EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY OF DETROIT.
And if Artest never runs into the crowd nothing happens. Once he goes into the stands he is fair game. Now if a fan would have came on the court from the start then hell yeah he should be throwing punches.
But Artest ran into the stands throwing puches. What a dumb ass.
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Greatest sports fight in history.
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I understand, and as I said I do not condone Artest\'s actions, but it was not an "Artest" incident. If this would\'ve happened to other players they mostly would\'ve reacted the same way.
I work in the media and have talked with a few players of other teams outside the Pacers and Pistons and they were mainly either "no comment" or understood.
It is easy for us to say, walk away. I tell anybody squaring off to fight, to "walk away"... I am not much of a fighter. I am a big 6\'4" 265 pound guy who can look intimidating, but I have never thrown a punch, even when in a situation where I probably should have. But at the same point in time, I have never been in a situation where I have been surrounded by such a big event where the stress level is high anyway. I mean how many people in real life do you see start a fight just because someone verbally abuses them in the street. These NBA players have people yelling in their ears all game long because unlike other sports, they are in arms length of fans.
Most NBA players brush off the fans and thats that. Its part of the gig, but when their is a fight in a highly competitive game and fans screaming at you and people shoving around you and then finally something hits you, a lot of people will snap.
Again, I say that, but I believe suspensions are in order. Now as to the fans on the court, Fair game. No fan should enter the court and start moving toward an emotionally charged player unless they are asking for it.
Whatever the NBA lays down, 10-20-30-40 out for year.. I believe I can stand by that. But I will not blame Artest alone.
If Wallace hadn\'t pushed Artest, this wouldn\'t have happened. Had the officials gotten control quicker, this wouldn\'t have happened, had the fan missed... this might not have happened... had Artest not gone into the fans, this woud not have happened. Had Artest and Wallace not been bumping hard all game long, this might not have happened... there are so many things that can be blamed as to why this happened, I don\'t know why Artest must be the sole person to blame for this.
And as I stated earlier, Detroit (unlike SwifDi says) is a fine City. I have been there a couple of times and have no problems with the city, their fans, etc. Artest gets more blame unfairly for the incident last night, but so do the detroit fans. One or two dumbass intoxicated fans does not represent 30,000 people in the stadium. Nor do the other 100-150 people that joined in.
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I put the blame souly on Artest because if Artest does not jump into the stands nothing happens. Ok he went a ben wallace. He got push and it was broken up.
With less than a minute left of on the clock why is he lying on the scores table first of all? But if he had any self control and does not go into the stands everyone goes home and nothing happens.
I could see if the guy would had gotten in his face and thrown something at him. But a paper cup flew out of nowhere. He had no idea where it came from. Running into the crowd is just stupid plain and simple.
When a player jumps into the stands with the crowd he is fair game.
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Originally posted by theomen
ever walked the "bad" streets? If someone calls you a name you keep walking, because if you fight you\'ll just start something you can\'t finish.
I\'m sorry you\'re comparing apples and oranges here... If somebody throws something at me, especially if I\'m already edgy at the moment, there\'s no question I will try to retaliate.
Originally posted by QuDDus
**** YOU MAN. DON\'T GENERALIZE AN ENTIRE CITY OF PEOPLE BASED OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW 100 PEOPLE WHO DON\'T EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY OF DETROIT.
No, seriously... it\'s the general opinion of the American public... Nobody outside of Detroit, likes Detroit.
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well, if you were dumb enough to jump into a crowd of 20,000 pissed off rabid pistons fans, then I guess you\'d deserve what happend.
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Yea, I don\'t have a problem with what the players did. Shit happens, don\'t throw something at a player thats just trying to keep the peace. Out of everybody I put the blame on the fans. The cheap shots I saw throughout all the coverage were mostly from them.
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It\'s a basketball game. They\'re lucky no one had a gun.
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ba dum pssh!
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Originally posted by Luke
ba dum pssh!
Haha...I actually know what that means...i love that sound... :D
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you got a joke? Here\'s a cookie
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Thanks...I guess...that was sarcasm, right? I\'m sorry, I am a ditz today.
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no problem, I\'m mean to eveybody so don\'t take it personal.
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Yeah, over the years I have noticed...
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I put the blame souly on Artest because if Artest does not jump into the stands nothing happens. Ok he went a ben wallace. He got push and it was broken up.
With less than a minute left of on the clock why is he lying on the scores table first of all? But if he had any self control and does not go into the stands everyone goes home and nothing happens.
I could see if the guy would had gotten in his face and thrown something at him. But a paper cup flew out of nowhere. He had no idea where it came from. Running into the crowd is just stupid plain and simple.
When a player jumps into the stands with the crowd he is fair game.
I think you were the one guy that was hitting everybody from behind, you sure you weren\'t at that game Quddus, because by your statements, you act like it is fine to do what the **** you want to as a fan, it doesn\'t matter if the guy was 5 feet away or 100 feet away, the guy threw an object at someone so its wrong. Artest wasn\'t totally at fault, he shouldn\'t have done what he did, but if that dick didn\'t throw that beer the rest never happens and they finish the game, end of story
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I think you were the one guy that was hitting everybody from behind, you sure you weren\'t at that game Quddus, because by your statements, you act like it is fine to do what the **** you want to as a fan, it doesn\'t matter if the guy was 5 feet away or 100 feet away, the guy threw an object at someone so its wrong. Artest wasn\'t totally at fault, he shouldn\'t have done what he did, but if that dick didn\'t throw that beer the rest never happens and they finish the game, end of story
LOL:laughing:
I am not justifying the cup being thrown. But anyone with commen sense would not have ran into the stands punching innocent people. He had no idea where the cup came from.
A player should never go into the stands plain and simple especially over paper cups. Many of athletes face the same stuff and even worse. Running into the stands and punching people over paper cups is just stupid anyway you slice it.
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I think DeAnna is the only person on this board who hasn\'t gotten older.
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In my opinion I think the blame has to be put on everyone involved. If Ben Wallace wouldn\'t have acted like a little bitch after the foul none of this would have happened, it wasn\'t even a hard foul. Then you have the players running around trying to start a fight at midcourt, thus getting the fans excited someone throws a cup full of beer at Artest and Artest snaps. I can understand why he snapped, he just got punched in the face basically and has a history of temper problems so he restrains himself by staying away then some idiot throws beer at him while he is trying to stay out of it and that pushed him over the edge. I don\'t think running into the crowd was the smartest thing to do and I don\'t condone it, but when the adrenaline is pumping like that after a big game and getting punched in the face its probably hard to control yourself, especially if you have a temper.
Here is what I think should happen in terms of supsensions and penalties. Artest should get 20 and O\'Neal, Jackson, and Wallace should get 10. Then for the next game the Pacers play @Detroit they should have a lockout and have only the media be able to attend the game. Thats what they do in soccer if the fans act like that.
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Originally posted by unfocused
In my opinion I think the blame has to be put on everyone involved. If Ben Wallace wouldn\'t have acted like a little bitch after the foul none of this would have happened, it wasn\'t even a hard foul. Then you have the players running around trying to start a fight at midcourt, thus getting the fans excited someone throws a cup full of beer at Artest and Artest snaps. I can understand why he snapped, he just got punched in the face basically and has a history of temper problems so he restrains himself by staying away then some idiot throws beer at him while he is trying to stay out of it and that pushed him over the edge. I don\'t think running into the crowd was the smartest thing to do and I don\'t condone it, but when the adrenaline is pumping like that after a big game and getting punched in the face its probably hard to control yourself, especially if you have a temper.
Here is what I think should happen in terms of supsensions and penalties. Artest should get 20 and O\'Neal, Jackson, and Wallace should get 10. Then for the next game the Pacers play @Detroit they should have a lockout and have only the media be able to attend the game. Thats what they do in soccer if the fans act like that.
Do you live in Indiana? Act like a bitch? That type of foul is uncalled for at the end of the game. The game is over why try and foul a guy so hard?
And quit saying a cup of beer was thrown at the guy because it wasn\'t. A
cup of beer was thrown out of stands no beer even gets on the guy it\'s the damn paper cup that hits him.
So you think that he should run into the stands because he was hit with a paper cup? And he was taunting the Pistons by laying on scores table.
And all the pacers that got involved should get 30days. O\'neal and Jackson should have never gotten involved. Jones had no business up there either. Jackson jumped into the stands swinging at fans. O\'neal runs over a hits a fan out of nowhere. He should face 30days or more as well.
I think the league should come down on pacers staff aswell. I mean there staff was fighting with fans also. The pacers orginization should face tough fines for that.
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Are you seriously blind? Did you not see fans on the court? If you are on the court you are considered fair game. Fred Jones was trying to break it up and Ben Wallace\'s brother was giving sucker punches from the back. Yes I live in Indiana, that doesn\'t have to do with anything though.
You keep saying paper cup, do you realize a paper cup weighs like .02 ounces? Its not gonna make more than a few feet, this was a plastic cup and it was half way filled with beer. Like I said, but you chose to ignore, Artest shouldn\'t have gone in there but the adrenaline and his pride got in the way and he did and he should be punished and he will be. However I don\'t think Wallace should get off as easy as he is. He was the one getting the fans excited by throwing his headband and trying to pump them up.
30 games for O\'Neal? Are you kidding me? That guy shouldn\'t have been on the floor, and if he wouldn\'t have been Jermaine wouldn\'t have punched him in the face. Vernon Maxwell got 10 games for punching a fan in the stands and all that fan did was scream at him. This guy was on the court. The security was awful and couldn\'t control anything, I hope the Pacers that are getting suspended sue the Pistons organization for their lack of security and putting them in danger like that.
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Originally posted by unfocused
If you are on the court you are considered fair game.
I\'m sorry, I missed that one in the rule book. This aint the WWE.
Whoever threw the beer is a jackass, but Artest needs to suck it up and be the bigger man.
I\'m sorry, you just CAN\'T go into the crowd and start a fight.
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You can, you just will be reprimanded. The fans that particpated in that are dickweeds and should be barred from any NBA sports arena for the rest of there lives.
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Shit, what\'s a $10,000 fine to them.... nothing.
Reprimanded how? Oh no, they are going to miss a few games and lose some pocket change.
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And I actually watned to get into basketball this year...
This is absoulutley pathetic. The new High Rolling image of the NBA finally blows up in David Stern\'s face. Time to make a generalization -- This is what happens when you let immature idiots play your sport, Mr. Stern.
Fans = idiots. Players = idiots. The Only reason Ron Artest isn\'t in an INSANE ASSYLUM is becuase he can play basketball. Oh, and I guess he gets that time off for his album that he wanted at the beginning of the year. 30 game suspension...not nearly enough.
See Yuz.
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Do you live in Indiana? Act like a bitch? That type of foul is uncalled for at the end of the game. The game is over why try and foul a guy so hard?
If you think that fould was to get up set over than you must be the most touchy person on the planet. He tried to swat the ball, missed, hit Ben Wallace and the foul was called. It was no big deal, it wasn\'t even a bad foul. Those type of fouls happen all the time and nobody ever retaliates.
IMO the NBA should put up a barriar of some sort between the fans and players, just like in every other sport. It would prevent a few injuries too, such as a player jumping into the stand to keep a ball from going out of bounds.
As for Artest, he shouldn\'t have gone into the crowd, but after he got hit, it was ok for the other teamates to jump in and try to protect him. He deserved the suspension. Wallace shouldn\'t get one though, if that entire fight didn\'t happen he wouldn\'t have got a suspension.
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Artest is suspended for the rest of the season.
O\'neal and Jackson 25,30 games.
They should have given Ben Wallace no games at all.
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You mean games, not days.
And I totally agree with the suspensions.
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Why is that? He had a flagrant foul against Artest... and if it wasnt for that all of this wouldnt have started. He was the spark that blew up the keg.
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Originally posted by Luke
You mean games, not days.
And I totally agree with the suspensions.
yes :laughing:
Originally posted by Halberto
Why is that? He had a flagrant foul against Artest... and if it wasnt for that all of this wouldnt have started. He was the spark that blew up the keg.
Who gets 6 games for pushing someone?
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That\'s a lot of games to play on such a short bench. Bench of 1..
Heh..
Can they call up players from minor leagues or is this part of the penalty as well?
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Why does the thread start with brawl in Sterling Heights....
The Pistons play in Auburn Hills... but thanks for the mention of my home town ;) In other news, screw Indiana, and fudge Ron Artest\'s unprofessional acts.
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Yeah I got it mixed up
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People get into fist fight constantly at hockey games and nutin yet when it happens at a basketball game everyone is all "up in arms" I think you people are throwing such a stink because they are black.........
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Hockey players dont run into the stands and deck fans in the face...
because they\'re black..... pft
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**** David Stern, he has a vendetta against Artest and it showed today. An entire season basically...come on. Thats insane, Vernon Maxwell got 10 games for running in the crowd and punching someone and that was only because the guy yelled something at him. Stern doesn\'t want the Finals in a small market (Indiana). Damn this suspension kills the Pacers chances.
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Originally posted by unfocused
**** David Stern, he has a vendetta against Artest and it showed today. An entire season basically...come on. Thats insane, Vernon Maxwell got 10 games for running in the crowd and punching someone and that was only because the guy yelled something at him. Stern doesn\'t want the Finals in a small market (Indiana). Damn this suspension kills the Pacers chances.
They where never going to get pass the pistons anyways
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That remains to be seen now that the Pacers have absolutely no shot with their top 3 scorers out for a huge portion of the season. Pacers just kicked the shit out of the Pistons by 15 points without 2 of the Pacers starters and a few other bench players that play key roles.
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I gotta agree that Pacers were looking to be the best in the east. Stephen Jackson was a hell of an addition and I feel the Pistons are gonna miss Mehemet Okur.
But it doesnt matter because its going to be either the Suns, Jazz, Mavs, and of course the Spurs. :)
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Originally posted by unfocused
**** David Stern, he has a vendetta against Artest and it showed today. An entire season basically...come on. Thats insane, Vernon Maxwell got 10 games for running in the crowd and punching someone and that was only because the guy yelled something at him. Stern doesn\'t want the Finals in a small market (Indiana). Damn this suspension kills the Pacers chances.
Amazing that you will put the success of a team in a sport over the fact that a player went up into the stands and wildly beat the crap out of several people. You are a sad sad little man.
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Originally posted by unfocused
That remains to be seen now that the Pacers have absolutely no shot with their top 3 scorers out for a huge portion of the season. Pacers just kicked the shit out of the Pistons by 15 points without 2 of the Pacers starters and a few other bench players that play key roles.
the Pacers players need to learn how to be professionals. They did it to themselves, I show no sympathy.
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Stern is a ****head. Goes on and on about the safety of his precious fans but leaves the players in the shitter.
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A season long suspension is excessive.
Still, I must admit seeing that one guy throw his beer in Artest\'s face, while Ron is fighting that other guy, only to get rocked by Stephen Jackson and then chased NEVER stops being hilarious. You can almost see his thought process.
"Oh Shit! This guy is running in the stands"
"Oh Shit! Is he coming towards me?!"
"Oh Shit! He is fighting that guy next to me!"
"F*ck this guy. I\'m gonna throw my beer at him while he is occupied. There is no way he can retaliate in time"
*Throws Beer*
*Gets punched in the side of the head by a 6\'8" black guy*
"HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!"
*Runs for life*
I can watch that one episode all night. I am SO glad I recorded that 5 minutes worth of footage on ESPN News.
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The fans are morons for throwing shit.
And I think the players involved in it should of been kicked out the NBA forever just because they were stupid enough to do what they did regardless of how irritated they were. This was all because of irritation and any professional athlete should know their limits.
Put up those big plastic windows they have in hockey.
And throw those basketball players out the NBA
That\'s what I would of done.
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This \'professional athlete\' label is horse shit. They\'re freakin human. Its only instinct to try and defend yourself when people are throwing shit at you, and getting in your face. I understand more is expected from them, as athletes, however just because they are athletes it doesn\'t make them robots.
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Bullshit. It\'s animal instinct to beat the shit out of another animal. To be human you have rational thought and know right from wrong.
Artest was not defending himself he wasn\'t doing anything but acting on rage.
I\'ll laugh my ass off if he goes to jail.
You get into a fight like that in a bar and you get arrested, what\'s the difference.
And the money he\'s going to lose for getting suspended won\'t come close to the law suit money.
Looks like a nice house may be for sale soon.
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I missed it. :(
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Originally posted by videoholic
Bullshit. It\'s animal instinct to beat the shit out of another animal. To be human you have rational thought and know right from wrong.
Artest was not defending himself he wasn\'t doing anything but acting on rage.
I\'ll laugh my ass off if he goes to jail.
You get into a fight like that in a bar and you get arrested, what\'s the difference.
And the money he\'s going to lose for getting suspended won\'t come close to the law suit money.
Looks like a nice house may be for sale soon.
He SHOULD go to jail. If I waded into a crowd of people and started kicking the shit out of people smaller and weaker than me, I\'d be charged with aggravated (sp?) assault. I was hoping to see the NBA ban them for life, anyone who threw a punch at a spectator. Well, what do I care I don\'t watch that "parade of felons" anyway.
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Ron Artests career is pretty much over. Even when he comes back next year he\'s gonna be booed everywhere he goes.
You know Artest isn\'t exactly the kinda guy to perservere.
So yeah, it might as well been a lifetime ban, cause his career is screwed.
I personally think Jackson should have had the worst penalty, because he WASN\'T provoked at all, he just ran up and started throwin\' fists.
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acording to his lawyer he was defending his "family".........
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Originally posted by Halberto
I gotta agree that Pacers were looking to be the best in the east. Stephen Jackson was a hell of an addition and I feel the Pistons are gonna miss Mehemet Okur.
But it doesnt matter because its going to be either the Suns, Jazz, Mavs, and of course the Spurs. :)
It\'s only 8-9 games into a 82 games season and you can already say the pacers are better than the defending champs?
With 73 games left?
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1) Ben Wallace started the entire episode. He overracted to a foul and threw a towel at Artest after Ron had walked away. 6 games is WAY too lenient.
2) Artest didn\'t even punch the guy who he jumped on for throwing the beer. Right after the incident some news channel asked the guy what happened and he said the Artest grabbed him and said "Did you throw it?! Did you throw it?!" to which he replied "NO". He then said that Artest then moved on to some other guy. Looking at the video, the "other" guy was the guy in the hat that was punching Artest in the back/side of the head and who coincidentaly was the person who originally threw the beer.
3) Artest was provoked and attacked by fans. Jackson was unprovoked and not attacked by anyone. There is no reason Artest should get an entire season while Jackson gets 30 games. You can justify what Artest did not Jackson.
4) The only thing Artest should be in trouble for is running into the stands after the guy who threw a beer at him. Those two fat puerto rican kids should have known better than to run at him on the court. If the Detroit crowd is throwing shit at you and two random guys in Detroit jerseys run right at you WTF are you supposed to do? hug em? run away?
5) Detroit fans are asshats.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
1) Ben Wallace started the entire episode. He overracted to a foul and threw a towel at Artest after Ron had walked away. 6 games is WAY too lenient.
2) Artest didn\'t even punch the guy who he jumped on for throwing the beer. Right after the incident some news channel asked the guy what happened and he said the Artest grabbed him and said "Did you throw it?! Did you throw it?!" to which he replied "NO". He then said that Artest then moved on to some other guy. Looking at the video, the "other" guy was the guy in the hat that was punching Artest in the back/side of the head and who coincidentaly was the person who originally threw the beer.
3) Artest was provoked and attacked by fans. Jackson was unprovoked and not attacked by anyone. There is no reason Artest should get an entire season while Jackson gets 30 games. You can justify what Artest did not Jackson.
4) The only thing Artest should be in trouble for is running into the stands after the guy who threw a beer at him. Those two fat puerto rican kids should have known better than to run at him on the court. If the Detroit crowd is throwing shit at you and two random guys in Detroit jerseys run right at you WTF are you supposed to do? hug em? run away?
5) Detroit fans are asshats.
Agreed. Every single point.
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But but Artest should be in jail and banned for life :rolleyes:
Thank god a couple of you see it my way. Get off your goodie thought process and realize most all of you would have reacted the same way in an already heated situation.
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*throws a cup of beer at Quddus*
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
*throws a cup of beer at Quddus*
LOL :laughing:
Get off your goodie thought process and realize most all of you would have reacted the same way in an already heated situation.
Well if you have very little self-control or respect for that matter. Then hey by all means act like an idiot.
Next time someone heckles a player he should just wait til after the game and really let that person have it.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
1) Ben Wallace started the entire episode. He overracted to a foul and threw a towel at Artest after Ron had walked away. 6 games is WAY too lenient.
2) Artest didn\'t even punch the guy who he jumped on for throwing the beer. Right after the incident some news channel asked the guy what happened and he said the Artest grabbed him and said "Did you throw it?! Did you throw it?!" to which he replied "NO". He then said that Artest then moved on to some other guy. Looking at the video, the "other" guy was the guy in the hat that was punching Artest in the back/side of the head and who coincidentaly was the person who originally threw the beer.
3) Artest was provoked and attacked by fans. Jackson was unprovoked and not attacked by anyone. There is no reason Artest should get an entire season while Jackson gets 30 games. You can justify what Artest did not Jackson.
4) The only thing Artest should be in trouble for is running into the stands after the guy who threw a beer at him. Those two fat puerto rican kids should have known better than to run at him on the court. If the Detroit crowd is throwing shit at you and two random guys in Detroit jerseys run right at you WTF are you supposed to do? hug em? run away?
5) Detroit fans are asshats.
I agree with all the points listed. I thought Jackson would get more games.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Well if you have very little self-control or respect for that matter. Then hey by all means act like an idiot.
Next time someone heckles a player he should just wait til after the game and really let that person have it.
This from Quddus is hilarious.
No matter what you say Artest year suspension is far too harsh.
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i agree with BS..
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All right, for those of you who say that Artest should not have fouled Wallace hard to begin with, I will say this.
1.) The foul was hard and probably not needed, but it was not a flagrant foul, it was a typical NBA foul.
2.) The play before (after finally getting a chance to see the entire game over) Ron Artest was fouled pretty hard by Wallace(with no call by the officials)...Again not flagrant and certainly the only thing you can argue there is why was the foul not called, again typical of NBA. So that doesn\'t matter either.
3.) Wallace says that he wouldn\'t foul someone like that when the game is over... well he did, the play before.
Now onto the actual incident, had any one of these things not happened, there would be a different story to tell.
Artest got punked by Wallace (NBA Automatic Suspension for at least 1 game maybe more depending on severity of situation, in which he kept coming and would nt back down so it probably would;ve been a 3-5 game suspension).
Artest then backs away, trying to keep a cool head. Monday Morning QB tells us, he should not have laid on the table. Thats Artest being Artest, think Charles Barkley. He was keeping his mind off of fighting Wallace by having fun on the table. Maybe he shouldn;t have and in retrospect he shouldn\'t have been there. Change that, maybe the outcome changes.
Stephen Jackson, for whatever reason, decides he is going to continue bickering with Wallace and shouting comments his way. Thats just dumb, incident over, but Jackson incites Wallace.
Wallace comes over to the scorers table and tosses a towel at Artest, again nothing major, but just enough to put something in some dumbass fans mind that "Hey I can do that too".
Dumbass fan (ONE DUMBASS FAN, not entire city of Detroit or Auburn Hills). throws a plastic cup at Artest. It did have stuff in it, and it hit him right on or next to the face. change that, Wallace ad maybe Stephen Jackson come out with a suspension or fine, Artest gets away Scot Free.
Artest charges the stands, he just sealed his fate. I like Artest, I have gotten to know Artest on a more personal level and he is one of the nicest guys off the court you will ever meet, as is Ben Wallace, but on the court these guys are fierce competitors and Artest has a switch that I don\'t know why but he can\'t turn off on the court. Do I think the suspension us too much, yes I do, do I think he did deserve something and that something being VERY harsh, yes I do.
Stephen Jackson, he should have more games than Artest, he went in and went to fight, he had no intentions of stopping anything.
Ben Wallace\'s brother was the guy in the Grey shirt with a Credential hanging around his neck, pounding down Fred Jones of the Pacers, who was trying to just be a peacemaker and get Artest and Jackson out of the stands.
Then dumbass Piston fan starts hitting Artest upside the head, what an idiot.
Now Jackson and Artest did get what they probably deserved. I wish it would be slightly reversed with Jackson and Artest, but that being said I don\'t understand the ONeal punishment.
A game to 5 for punching a fan on the court, ONeal never made it into the stands. Once someone is on the court, then they are asking for it, Monica Seles please stand up and tell us why...
Reggie Miller, Anthony Johnson, Chauncy Billups and the other few players on Detroit that got a suspension, I don\'t understand why they did. Its stupid, most of them were trying to be peacemakers.
I guess we\'ll see if the fans get a fair punishment or not. The organization should be held accountable for its fans, it is in other leagues, should be here as well.
Brad
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Originally posted by Bozco
But but Artest should be in jail and banned for life :rolleyes:
Thank god a couple of you see it my way. Get off your goodie thought process and realize most all of you would have reacted the same way in an already heated situation.
I would have beaten the crap out of some guy in the stands?
I\'m a multimillion dollar guy who gets paid to throw a ball in a hoop and it\'s ok to beat the crap out of some guy who pays my salary?
You\'ve probably said more retarded things in the past, but it may take a while to find it.
Fans pay money to come to the arena and yell at the players. If they can\'t handle it then they don\'t need to cash the checks.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Fans pay money to come to the arena and yell at the players.
They can yell all they want. They can NOT throw shit at the players.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I would have beaten the crap out of some guy in the stands?
I\'m a multimillion dollar guy who gets paid to throw a ball in a hoop and it\'s ok to beat the crap out of some guy who pays my salary?
You\'ve probably said more retarded things in the past, but it may take a while to find it.
Fans pay money to come to the arena and yell at the players. If they can\'t handle it then they don\'t need to cash the checks.
tru Vid, but they don\'t need s**t thrown at them...pop s**t all you want, but once you physically touch that person...you\'re on your own...
off topic but true..there was a wwe event in which the rock and jericho was talkin s**t in the ring with jericho bein the "heel" now some lunatic fan jumps the apron and jumps into the ring and comes straight after jericho...so the rock and jericho beat the s**t out of him..and afterwards laughed about it (it was edited of course but it happened)....very similiar scenario...
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I realize the fans went over the line, but it\'s a freaking cup. That would not make me jump into the stands and pound people.
ESPECIALLY if it was my JOB to entertain the people I am beating up.
That isn\'t too entertaining.
These guys get paid to be on the court, not in the stands. THe fan over stepped his bounds, but you know what, there are freaking cops for that shit.
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Originally posted by videoholic
You\'ve probably said more retarded things in the past, but it may take a while to find it.
Vid, go with your arguement, don\'t take some cheap shot at me.
......you\'ve probably said more retarded things in thep ast, but it may take a while to find it :rolleyes:
Really though, what put some of you on your high horses here? I really wanna know why you think you\'re so special.
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Maybe it\'s becuase he\'s a Gators fan...oh wait...
Speaking of Cheap Shots :)
See Yuz.
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Anyone who doesn\'t think this thing is the fans fault...I don\'t know what that says for you as sports fans. If someone comes to your job and throws a cup bull of beer at you from a decent distance, tell me you wouldn\'t react. They\'re entertainers, but that doesn\'t mean they aren\'t people. Anyone would react the same way, and if they wouldn\'t, I don\'t know what that says about them.
Let\'s say you\'re doing a job where you\'re purpose is entertainment and someone singles you out and attacks you physically (yes, that\'s what throwing something at someone the way that fan did was). Not only that, but they do it while you\'re off your guard, actually lying down, after just maturely avoiding another conflict where someone else attacked you. What do you do? You damn well better bet you fight back.
I am so ****ing sick of these whiny ass fans saying the problem with everything sports related is the players. Or the owners. You know what 99.9% of every sports related problem is thanks to? The sorry ass sports fans that exist today. Those whiny people who don\'t understand how good they have it. Who are spoiled, in all honesty, and who feel they can treat the players in a sub human way. The fans who don\'t come to games but expect the teams to shell out money to improve. The fans who go to a game but are too preoccupied to support their team while there. The fans that leave a team the second something turns south. **** em all. You want a solution to the problems you see in sports today? Remember that the athletes are humans too, cause I\'m sick and tired of people who act like they aren\'t and hold them to different standards, and know your role as a fan.
As for pressing charges, I honestly think that Artest should be the one pressing charges on the fans. They attacked him first, he was reacting. This same scenario happens on the street, it\'s self defense. ESPECIALLY with that dumb ass fan who came onto the court to confront Artest and then got clocked by O\'Neal. That man shouldn\'t be allowed in an arena ever again.
Hell, look at how it already is. The franchise is ruined for the season, he players lose millions upon millions of dollars and playing time, and the fans punishment, when most people will tell you they are the ones at fault...nothing. There is something wrong with this picture.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Vid, go with your arguement, don\'t take some cheap shot at me.
......you\'ve probably said more retarded things in thep ast, but it may take a while to find it :rolleyes:
Really though, what put some of you on your high horses here? I really wanna know why you think you\'re so special.
It is some kind of virus going around on the boards. Started with MM, slowly went to Ooseven, infested me and now Vid. The only difference is, I am special and I am usually right, where as the other three just like to talk out of their rear ends.
:D
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Here\'s my cheap shot, and summary of the whole situation.
Men+beer=idiots. Not to mention wasting a $6 cup of beer. Room-temperature cheap keg beer. The fan is an idiot. Artest is an idiot. Sounds to me like we\'re just trying to figure out who the bigger idiot is.
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Its funny too cuz the guy said he was trying to pull Artest off the guy who didn\'t throw it, but 5 seconds later hes throwing punches at Artests back. I agree with Shocky and BS on this one, fans need to behave, whats wrong with people today, shit.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Anyone who doesn\'t think this thing is the fans fault...I don\'t know what that says for you as sports fans. If someone comes to your job and throws a cup bull of beer at you from a decent distance, tell me you wouldn\'t react. They\'re entertainers, but that doesn\'t mean they aren\'t people. Anyone would react the same way, and if they wouldn\'t, I don\'t know what that says about them.
Let\'s say you\'re doing a job where you\'re purpose is entertainment and someone singles you out and attacks you physically (yes, that\'s what throwing something at someone the way that fan did was). Not only that, but they do it while you\'re off your guard, actually lying down, after just maturely avoiding another conflict where someone else attacked you. What do you do? You damn well better bet you fight back.
I am so ****ing sick of these whiny ass fans saying the problem with everything sports related is the players. Or the owners. You know what 99.9% of every sports related problem is thanks to? The sorry ass sports fans that exist today. Those whiny people who don\'t understand how good they have it. Who are spoiled, in all honesty, and who feel they can treat the players in a sub human way. The fans who don\'t come to games but expect the teams to shell out money to improve. The fans who go to a game but are too preoccupied to support their team while there. The fans that leave a team the second something turns south. **** em all. You want a solution to the problems you see in sports today? Remember that the athletes are humans too, cause I\'m sick and tired of people who act like they aren\'t and hold them to different standards, and know your role as a fan.
As for pressing charges, I honestly think that Artest should be the one pressing charges on the fans. They attacked him first, he was reacting. This same scenario happens on the street, it\'s self defense. ESPECIALLY with that dumb ass fan who came onto the court to confront Artest and then got clocked by O\'Neal. That man shouldn\'t be allowed in an arena ever again.
Hell, look at how it already is. The franchise is ruined for the season, he players lose millions upon millions of dollars and playing time, and the fans punishment, when most people will tell you they are the ones at fault...nothing. There is something wrong with this picture.
Well the players are held to a higher standard than the fans. I mean 1 out of billion kids gets a chance to become a pro athelete. For a player like Ron Artest to show no self-control at all is just rediculous. The NBA is a league that must set an example. You can\'t have players representing the league doing crazy shit like Ron Artest did.
This situation is foolish anyway you put it. The paper cup wasn\'t thrown on me but I have had worst happen to me in the street\'s where anything goes and I chose to be the responsible adult and handle the situation propper. So please don\'t group everyone under the same chatagory as Ron Artest.
I have been in horrible situations on a job where I should have whipped someones ass but instead did the right thing and handle it properly.
And your trying to justify the actions of a pro athelete?
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One thing is for sure, the Pacers are screwed over, I dont know if they will even make the playoffs. They were dealt about 20 losses just from those suspensions.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I mean 1 out of billion kids gets a chance to become a pro athelete.
Only 8 athletes?
;)
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I thought there was only about 6 billion people? :) Shock put it exactly how I would\'ve put it if I was a little more relaxed than I was at the moment I posted my rant.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Well the players are held to a higher standard than the fans. I mean 1 out of billion kids gets a chance to become a pro athelete. For a player like Ron Artest to show no self-control at all is just rediculous. The NBA is a league that must set an example. You can\'t have players representing the league doing crazy shit like Ron Artest did.
This situation is foolish anyway you put it. The paper cup wasn\'t thrown on me but I have had worst happen to me in the street\'s where anything goes and I chose to be the responsible adult and handle the situation propper. So please don\'t group everyone under the same chatagory as Ron Artest.
I have been in horrible situations on a job where I should have whipped someones ass but instead did the right thing and handle it properly.
And your trying to justify the actions of a pro athelete?
Wow. I agree with Quddus?
What\'s the date?
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Well the players are held to a higher standard than the fans. I mean 1 out of billion kids gets a chance to become a pro athelete. For a player like Ron Artest to show no self-control at all is just rediculous. The NBA is a league that must set an example. You can\'t have players representing the league doing crazy shit like Ron Artest did.
First of all, Ron Artest started the whole thing out surprisingly maturely. Wallace shoves him, he just backs out and gets as far out of the fight as possible. It was the fans who started the immature behavior. And I don\'t see why an athlete should be expected to be any better than any other human. We\'re all people, shouldn\'t we all have to live up to the same basic standards?
This situation is foolish anyway you put it. The paper cup wasn\'t thrown on me but I have had worst happen to me in the street\'s where anything goes and I chose to be the responsible adult and handle the situation propper. So please don\'t group everyone under the same chatagory as Ron Artest.
First of all, it was a full cup, thrown from several rows up, pretty high in the air. That shit will hurt, as well as spilling all over you. And I don\'t know you, but I know that the vast majority of people, in the moment, are gonna react at least in some way to that.
I have been in horrible situations on a job where I should have whipped someones ass but instead did the right thing and handle it properly.
And your trying to justify the actions of a pro athelete?
Yes, I\'m trying to justify them, to an extent. What happened there is assault, by the fan. Either way, I\'m not saying that what Artest did was necessarily the right thing to do, but I\'m saying the fan is more at fault than he is. Artest had the right to react in that situation. If you ask me, the fans got what was comming to them. Especially that idiot fan that walked onto the court to confront Artest. And the fact is, these players lose millions, and are out of a job for a long time, while the fans could be back at the next night\'s game. That isn\'t right.
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I would love if a fan threw a cup of beer at me so I may reek of alcohol for the remainder of the evening. I\'d be like...yes!! Throw more you crazy bastard so I may bathe in this low-carb heaven that is your crappy beer!! *lame-ass scenario*
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Tiger Woods had a cup thrown at him as he was about to swing his club and surprisingly enough he didn\'t take the club and beat the shit out of the guy who threw it.
He got security to kick the guy out of the tournament.
Shocker yes, but true.
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Did you giys see todays headline...
Pacers draft Jackie Chan and Jet Li as point gaurds.
Ok listen yes there human they are all human but wtf is your problem to holding them to a higher standard. I mean jesus fliping christ if you paid me even a Million a year but said. "I\'m paying you this but we are gonna have to hold you to a higher standard" Id say show me the money. They know when they get into it they are gonna be held to that.....
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Originally posted by videoholic
Tiger Woods had a cup thrown at him as he was about to swing his club and surprisingly enough he didn\'t take the club and beat the shit out of the guy who threw it.
He got security to kick the guy out of the tournament.
Shocker yes, but true.
I\'m sure Tiger was in the middle of a heated fight when it happened too........shocker....he wasn\'t.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Tiger Woods had a cup thrown at him as he was about to swing his club and surprisingly enough he didn\'t take the club and beat the shit out of the guy who threw it.
He got security to kick the guy out of the tournament.
Shocker yes, but true.
Didn\'t Tiger once destroy someone\'s camera though for snapping a picture right when he was about to swing? I mean he took it out of the guys hands and destroyed it. This was only a few years ago.
Anyway, on to Artest. After reviewing the Video, over a hundred times, thanks ESPN...
Artest went in to the stands... that is a no no. He DID NOT HIT A SINGLE FAN IN THE STANDS... after seeing the entire incident now, he grabbed the guy he went after, slipped as he lunged for him and they both fell a little, then picked him up (somewhat violently, such as a movie police officer grabs someone by the lapels to get information out of them). He asks did you do it, by that time the guy next to Artest throws water or beer into Artests face and Stephen Jackson who is on his way to Artest diverts and heads for the guy who throw the second beer.
Artest ONLY hits someone on the floor.
At first I thought Artest and Jackson were going in fists flying, but in reality Artest never hit a single fan in the stands, and Jackson hit the fan that threw a second beer at Artest.
Was Artest right for flying into the stands... no, was Jackson right for hitting that second guy... no, but all in all, they may be able to get past prosecution based on that sequence right there. And the fans were still pounding on (even the peace keeping) Pacers... thanks Ben Wallace\'s bros.
Look and see if maybe I am seeing it wrong, but it looks like that is the way it happened instead of Artest running in and punching the first guy he finds.
Brad
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Hey Shocky........
Read your avys lips very careful and follow suit..........