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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on November 20, 2004, 03:04:53 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041119/pl_afp/us_nato_iraq_041119223238
Cowards, or simply, I dunno.. Smart? ;)
Schröder, Chirac +1. :)
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Germany, along with fellow antiwar NATO members Belgium, France, Luxembourg and Spain
Germany never sends troops out of its own country - or if they do it very limited and even that is very rare. France and Spain are equally worthless, Spain proved it had no back bone after the Madrid bombings. France... no big surprise there. I didn\'t even know Belgium and Luxembourg had a military... ;)
I don\'t see how this is a +1 for Chirac. I guess most Europeans still don\'t understand that France is not a good example to follow. Soon they will be overrun by Muslim immigrants and Arabic will be their national language. At least the Netherlands has some smart people:
http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2004/11/20/news/news24.txt
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Perhpas you are joking, but the "Oh noes! We are being taken over by Muslims" is starting to sound like the witch hunt against a certain people during the 30ies and 40ies. Its like hearing NSF/ND propaganda (Save the motherland!), but posted by Americans!
Some of the nicest people I know are Muslims, and they are not trying to convert me into islam. ;)
Why its a plus one for Chirac? I agree with him and I\'m happy to see there are still nations which can say NO. :)
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Does France ever say yes? :rolleyes:
So you actually believe Muslim immigrants are not a problem in Europe? Europe\'s open door policy on immigration (as well as Canada\'s) is going to come back to haunt them.
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So you actually believe Muslim immigrants are not a problem in Europe? Europe\'s open door policy on immigration (as well as Canada\'s) is going to come back to haunt them.
Of course there are problems, like with all immigrant groups (I get the impression of the Muslims being the most calm group and the ex. communist east-block groups to be the biggest trouble makers, Yugoslavs, baltic region, poles etc).
But they are not like some extremists believe, going to magically take over our countries. How many Muslims sit in the EU parliament? Very few, if any, I think we have one jewish minister in our Riksdag and no Muslim.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Does France ever say yes? :rolleyes:
Only in response to the question "Do you surrender?"
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Originally posted by fastson
Of course there are problems, like with all immigrant groups (I get the impression of the Muslims being the most calm group and the ex. communist east-block groups to be the biggest trouble makers, Yugoslavs, baltic region, poles etc).
But they are not like some extremists believe, going to magically take over our countries. How many Muslims sit in the EU parliament? Very few, if any, I think we have one jewish minister in our Riksdag and no Muslim.
Ever hear of the term "Eurabia"?
Fox News is running a report on it.
Here is the definition:
Eurabia is a term coined by Bat Ye\'or to describe an alleged process of political and cultural incorporation of Europe into the Islamic world, supposedly accompanied by a demographic change from a predominately Caucasian Christian population embodying Western Civilization to a predominately Semitic Islamic population. She sees this as the result of a European - particularly, French - conspiracy against the United States, and regards it as a primary cause of alleged European hostility to Israel.
She describes it as follows:
"A machinery that has made Europe the new continent of dhimmitude was put into motion more than 30 years ago at the instigation of France. A wide-ranging policy was then first sketched out, a symbiosis of Europe with the Muslim Arab countries, that would endow Europe - and especially France, the project\'s prime mover - with a weight and a prestige to rival that of the United States. This policy was undertaken quite discreetly, outside of official treaties, under the innocent-sounding name of the Euro-Arab Dialogue... This strategy, the goal of which was the creation of a pan-Mediterranean Euro-Arab entity, permitting the free circulation both of men and of goods, also determined the immigration policy with regard to Arabs in the European Community (EC). And, for the past 30 years, it also established the relevant cultural policies in the schools and universities of the EC... The Arabs set the conditions for this association: 1) a European policy that would be independent from, and opposed to that of the United States; 2) the recognition by Europe of a “Palestinian people,” and the creation of a “Palestinian” state; 3) European support for the PLO; 4) the designation of Arafat as the sole and exclusive representative of that “Palestinian people”; 5) the delegitimizing of the State of Israel, both historically and politically, its shrinking into non-viable borders, and the Arabization of Jerusalem. From this sprang the hidden European war against Israel, through economic boycotts, and in some cases academic boycotts as well, through deliberate vilification, and the spreading of both anti-Zionism and antisemitism."[1] (http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/bat_yeor_thespiritofeurabia_eng_2004jun25.doc)
More succinctly, she summarizes it in the National Review as follows:
"Europe\'s economic greed was instrumentalized by Arab League policy in a long-term political strategy targeting Israel, Europe, and America... Through the labyrinth of the EAD system, a policy of Israel\'s delegitimization was planned at both the EC\'s national and international levels... Strategically, the Euro-Arab Cooperation was a political instrument for anti-Americanism in Europe, whose aim was to separate and weaken the two continents by an incitement to hostility and the permanent denigration of American policy in the Middle East."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurabia
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And the Jews control the world via a network spanning across the globe. Where did I put that movie, Der ewige Jude, ah thats right, the trashcan.
Many people believe in ZOG, does it make it true? And that Fox News is running that "story" makes me even more sure that Fox News is nothing but the biggest joke ever.
:rolleyes:
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Have people always been so scared of islam? :D When did this start, after 9/11?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
(Here\'s a site which demolishes some of the stuff written by that extremist.. http://kornet.nu/blindhona/arkiv/000995.html )
Thanks for showing me this whole new world of comedy Giga.
Btw, do you go under the name of Ripeclaw on any other forums? :)
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That would be great except I can\'t read Swedish. Anyway it is a fact that Europe does have a Muslim immigration problem and is way too tolerant of Islamic extremists AND does take an anti Israeli stance on any issue concerning Palestine and Israel.
It really saddens me to think that one day the land of my ancestors will no longer have any of its own culture left.
Streets in France being named for Arafat? :rolleyes: It would be comedy if it wasn\'t true.
The only ones who believe in ZOG are skinheads and Arabs who wish to see Israel destroyed. Also, what religion preaches this? Islam.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
That would be great except I can\'t read Swedish.
Ops, I didnt think of that. I could translate the article, but I doubt anyone would read it anyways. :)
In short, the article written on the anti-Muslim site used various Swedish articles as valid sources when it spoke of how deeply troubled Sweden is because of the "Muslim problem" (one article among others stated that the Police force had lost total control of our 3rd largest city, thanks to violent Muslim gangs.. Simply not true).. It turns out the stuff he claims to "translate" from the original articles isn’t even mentioned in the original article, its just his own racist opinion neatly tucked in between the lines, smart, if you do not look close enough. :)
Anyway it is a fact that Europe does have a Muslim immigration problem
What is this major problem, that we take on too many? Has it anything to do with Muslims being criminals? Forcing Islam onto us? Outbreeding us?
If you ask me, they cause no more problems than any other immigrant groups.
Some fun facts about our immigration situation.
Immigration from Iraq halved to 1 433 during 2004.
Asylum seekers dropped during 2003 by 1 661 people (to around 30 000 people).
The biggest asylum seeking group came from Somalia (3 069 people)
Source: SCB
Ethnic groups:
Swedes 89 %;
Rest; Finns (~100 000), Iraqis (~36 000), Norwegians (~33 000) Danes (~26 000)
2001
It really saddens me to think that one day the land of my ancestors will no longer have any of its own culture left.
Oh I think we will survive, the germans, finns, vallons, russians etc. didnt destroy our culture when they came here (taking this country as an example).
The only ones who believe in ZOG are skinheads and Arabs who wish to see Israel destroyed.
Sure, I can say the same about the stuff you posted.
[/quote]Also, what religion preaches this? Islam.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure its the religion itself and not a few extremists?
Is it not like saying all Christians are pedofiles just because a few priests have been caught with their pants down? Ok, maybe a bad example. ;)
Now its time for bed, but before I go to sleep I must remind myself to roll out the rug, turn to Mecka and pray to Allah.. Allahu akbar, better get used to saying that. ;)
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Fox News reports that 90 percent of Sweden\'s Muslim population is unemployed. They don\'t learn your language and they are causing much violence in your country. It was also reported that a mosque was set on fire and when the fire company responded they were pelted with rocks by the Muslims. The police chief of one town even stated they were "not" a part of Swedish society. This was all reported tonight in their regular newscast with interviews by Swedish officials.
I remember criticizing Sweden for being a welfare state, but geez taking in immigrants who don\'t even speak your language - treat your public services like crap... I would be outraged if I were Swedish.
It is very disturbing that these are your largest immigrants when Europe\'s population is imploding. If your "tolerance" continues you will lose your culture.
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Originally posted by Cerberus
Only in response to the question "Do you surrender?"
Or NO surrender
But try saying that up here in GLASGOW.... and you could start a Completely different fight.
Google the ....
Sectarian troubles between Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic.
If you want to know what i mean about that.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Fox News reports that 90 percent of Sweden\'s Muslim population is unemployed. They don\'t learn your language and they are causing much violence in your country.
Obviously the unemployment of immigrants are higher then for the "regular" population. But that sounds a bit exaggerated. I wonder where they got their numbers when I cant even find anything?
I dont know what the deal is in different counties, but here in Kalmar they have lots and lots of different programs going mainly in Norrliden to get immigrants out in the working society, and it seems to be paying of!
It was also reported that a mosque was set on fire and when the fire company responded they were pelted with rocks by the Muslims. The police chief of one town even stated they were "not" a part of Swedish society. This was all reported tonight in their regular newscast with interviews by Swedish officials.
You know, thats EXACTLY what the webpage I liked to (the one in swedish) was talking about (Swedish Police lose control over 3rd largest city to Muslim gangs). I really wonder now if Fox uses Jihad-watch as their sources? ;)
I would be outraged if I were Swedish.
Many people are, even I get angry sometimes, but I dont see the violence that much from Muslims.
Have you ever heard of a Muslim mafia? No? Me neither, I have heard of a Yugoslavian and Russian mafia, both are established in my country. I get angry at the Balts, Poles, Russians, Yugoslavians who come here steal cars break into houses etc.. This summer the Kalmar police caught a large gang consisting of people from Lithuania, they stole some 80 cars I believe. They only came here to steal stuff.
Im sure there are criminal Muslims aswell, like there are Swedish hells angels, but the east block criminals are many many more.
It is very disturbing that these are your largest immigrants when Europe\'s population is imploding.
Only a few European countries have a negative birth rate.
If your "tolerance" continues you will lose your culture.
Just like the Italians and Finns destroyed our culture during 1930 to 1980? :)
Anyway, I think people are hyperventilating for nothing.
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Here\'s some info I found on unemployment for immigrants.
The unemployment rate for immigrants who came from beyond Nordic countries is 13,2 %, so there is no way the figure for Muslims can be 90% as they are one of the biggest groups when not looking at the Nordic immigrants.
Fox News blooper again?
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Fastson - comparing the mafia to a religious movement is mixing apples and oranges. The mafia does not try and force their values and culture on you. Islam does. The mafia is out to gain financially, while fanatical Islam is bent on converting you to their beliefs. These immigrants are using your society (which I am somewhat envious of) as one big welfare check by coming to your country and using the resources your country has set aside for native Swedes. All the while, disrespecting your culture.
I also fail to see how you can discredit the source of the mosque fire - I saw the freaking video. Mosque on fire - firemen trying to put out fire - Muslim throwing rocks and other items at firemen. Fox blooper? Fox usually doesn\'t make mistakes. You must be thinking of CBS as Fox did not fabricate the interviews and the footage that was shown. They also stated that most of these immigrants are illiterate and uneducated when the arrive. I just confuses me as to why Sweden, which worked so hard to achieve so many things for its citizens would let people who have nothing to offer into their country?
They also interviewed a police officer who said that when he goes into a Muslim neighborhood he has to call a second car to watch his car so Muslims don\'t vandalize it. Lastly, they interviewed someone from Sweden public school system and their is a school in Sweden that has 1000 students and only 2!!! are Swedish!
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Fox news is absolutely shite.
And I don\'t particularly like France, but come on... this Muslim paranoia is getting out of hand. I guess 9/11 had that effect on some people...
Oh yeah - Bat Ye\'or is a crackhead.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Fastson - comparing the mafia to a religious movement is mixing apples and oranges.
I wasnt comparing the two.
The mafia does not try and force their values and culture on you. Islam does.
Really, cause I have never heard of this happening to anyone.
I have experienced Jehovah\'s Witnesses visiting my house for many many years, first they tried to convert my sister, then two fellas came here a few times a few years ago trying to convert me, they are a creepy bunch. But I bet they aren’t that hot on trying to convert anyone right now as it was shown on TV that the head office in the US tries to protect known paedophiles among its members.
Fox blooper? Fox usually doesn\'t make mistakes. You must be thinking of CBS as Fox did not fabricate the interviews and the footage that was shown.
Then I really would like to know where they got the 90% figure from, when the real figure for all non Nordic immigrants are 13.2% (which like I said, Muslims are a big bunch)?
They also stated that most of these immigrants are illiterate and uneducated when the arrive. I just confuses me as to why Sweden, which worked so hard to achieve so many things for its citizens would let people who have nothing to offer into their country?
Solidarity? We have an obligation to take care of people who come here from war stricken countries, we cant send them back if it would mean they risk being killed.
Some people just stay here temporarily, they move back when things get better back home. Others decide (if they get permission) to stay and try to get a better life, no, not all stay on their asses collecting welfare for the rest of their lives (receiving welfare for a longer period of time is like inventing a cure for cancer).
Lastly, they interviewed someone from Sweden public school system and their is a school in Sweden that has 1000 students and only 2!!! are Swedish!
Thats probably true, because what the government was doing was placing many immigrants in one place. In Kalmar its mostly Norrliden, in Stockholm its Rinkaby, Malmö Rosengård etc. So there would most likely be some schools (lower grades) with very few native Swedes.
And I don\'t particularly like France, but come on... this Muslim paranoia is getting out of hand. I guess 9/11 had that effect on some people...
Jag hoppas att du inte röstade på Dansk Folkeparti? ;)
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Originally posted by fastson
Jag hoppas att du inte röstade på Dansk Folkeparti? ;)
Jo, naturligvis stemte jeg på Dansk Folkeparti! Pia rules! :p
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Originally posted by fastson
Jag hoppas att du inte röstade på Dansk Folkeparti? ;)
Originally posted by Samwise
Jo, naturligvis stemte jeg på Dansk Folkeparti! Pia rules! :p
Please don\'t speak French. I don\'t understand what you\'re saying :(
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That isn\'t French.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
That isn\'t French.
Sorry. Spanish. I get the two messed up.
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Originally posted by Titan
Sorry. Spanish. I get the two messed up.
Heh. It was Swedish and Danish.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Heh. It was Swedish and Danish.
Danishes are good pastries. Swedish fish are good to :)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Germany never sends troops out of its own country - or if they do it very limited and even that is very rare. France and Spain are equally worthless, Spain proved it had no back bone after the Madrid bombings. France... no big surprise there. I didn\'t even know Belgium and Luxembourg had a military... ;)
I don\'t see how this is a +1 for Chirac. I guess most Europeans still don\'t understand that France is not a good example to follow. Soon they will be overrun by Muslim immigrants and Arabic will be their national language. At least the Netherlands has some smart people:
http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2004/11/20/news/news24.txt
;)
I agree.
EVERY COUNTRY IS WORTHLESS IF IT DOESN\'T SUPPORT AMERICA!!
We should make that this coutry\'s motto. I\'m sure we would be loved even more and not encourage further attacks!