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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ryu on November 27, 2004, 12:07:31 PM
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Admit it -- America is f*cked up. However, there\'s more people pointing out this fact, on this board especially, without even bothering to give alternatives. Many people, even those from other countries who post on this board, can agree that there are lots of necessary changes that need to be made to keep America not only the leader of economic change and defense, but as a leader of the free world as well -- a position constantly changed and rethought and somehow made insignificant or more significant depending on the current president in office at the time.
However, with each person who claims America to be a pile of crap, not one of them has stepped up and said how it could be better or spoke of some way to change the system. Now is your chance. Whatever system in America you don\'t like EG: healthcare, education, military spending, the economy, etc -- talk about what bothers you about it and give ways that it could be changed.
I doubt this topic will get many replies as people prefer to complain as opposed to actually thinking about ways to somehow make it better, but I still think the question could be thrown some attention. I\'m curious just how creative some of you can get in here when you\'re not complaining about systems and instead have to somehow change them.
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I always thought that if we somehow found a way to get the REAL average person with REAL morals to run for political offices the country would be in better shape. I believe just about all these politicians in office have their priorities in money instead of their duty to serving their country.
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1) Term limits for senators and congressmen/women. Eliminates the "career politician" and makes the legislative branch more effective at representing the people.
2) Proportional voting in the electoral college. If I am a democrat in a red state, a republican in a blue state, or a third party voter in any state my vote doesn\'t really count. Making the votes proportional will eliminate the concept of "Red State vs. Blue State".
3) Legalize Marijuana and Decriminalize some of the other drugs. The war on drugs is ineffective, racist, and costly. All it has done is make corrections the newest growth industry. It has also given some states reasons to put in draconian mandatory minimum sentences that while not affecting the crime rate have a positive affect on the states bottom line.
4) Implement a voting system that is easy to use, accurate, and most importantly has a paper trail.
- Touch screen to cast a vote
- Touch screen system prints a ballot that can be looked at by the voter for verification.
- The ballot is put in one of the same voting machines used today that count paper ballots.
- At the end of the voting period the touch screen gives a printout of the votes cast on that machine.
- The touch screen votes are crossreferenced with the paper ballots(verify the same number of votes and same candidates.)
- The results are sent in to the main counting station.
- If the ballots don\'t match the touch screen receipt then the ballots must be recounted or handcounted to ensure accuracy.
This eliminates the thousands of "faulty" ballots that get thrown out, reduces the chance for fraud, produces faster results, reduces disenfranchisement, and leaves a verifiable paper trail.
Thats all I can think of for now.
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Like we need Europe to tell us what is wrong with our country and how to fix it. :rolleyes:
By reading the above reply I guess being realistic isn\'t part of the thought process...
As for making America better - take us out of the UN. Kick the UN out of NY and start creating alliances with countries that are in tune with us economically and diplomatically.
Do away with welfare and affirmative action.
Impose strict immigration rules and deport all illegal aliens immediately.
Drastically reduce college tuition or make it all together free.
Build more prisons and actually enforce the law. Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded. Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.
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I\'d expand the military a bit more, totally voluntary (only impose the draft if there is not enough volunteers for a world war or big war that our country\'s future depends on it).
Make better foreign relations. Work more with other countries to build a strong global economy
Invade France
Revise the voting system kind of like what BS said.
Giga\'s prison idea is interesting
Deport all illegal aliens and strengthen border patrols. They are draining our economy. The less illegals, the better.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Drastically reduce college tuition or make it all together free.
So you would implement socialist policies? Wow.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Build more prisons and actually enforce the law. Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded. Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.
Wrong, as a bonus more jobs will be lost because prisons will rent out more cheap labor, effectively pricing some competitors out of the market. There was a time when all prisoners did was make license plates and break rocks but now they have them doing jobs they could do on the outside except they don\'t get paid for it so they are taking a job away from someone else and reducing the GDP.
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Giga has been spending too much time on Stormfront.org :p
jk
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Going along with BS\'s voting theme I\'m wondering what you guys think of run-off voting?
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
So you would implement socialist policies? Wow.
Just for education and I don\'t really think that is a socialist idea. I freely admit healthcare is way overpriced as is college tuition, but I feel college tuition has gotten entirely out of control when compared to other services in this country.
Legalization of pot and other drugs? The war on drugs is racist? Please... build more prisons.
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Build more prisons and actually enforce the law. Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded. Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.
Funniest post ever from you, Giga. You totaly lash out at my healthcare plan and say you don\'t want to pay taxes for people being lazy asses and somehow "swindeling" a healthcare for all system, yet you would be willing to pay far more taxes for more prisons, more guards, and invest more land to feed, clothe, and care for far more prisoners. That\'s f*cking beautiful. You\'re awesome man. You\'d care for people who break the law and pay more money for them on a daily basis then to pay for other people getting taken care of who are law abiding citizens. That\'s sweet.
3) Legalize Marijuana and Decriminalize some of the other drugs.
I agree with legalizing marijuana. I don\'t use any controlled substances myself personally, but marijuana is going to be grown and used no matter what so if people are going to use it no matter what, you might as well legalize it and tax the crap out of it. It\'s a source of revenue for the country that we should be exploiting, not throwing money at to get rid of.
On that note, prostitution should also be legalized. It\'s going to happen anyways whether we like it or not, we might as well clean it up and make it something that\'s safe to do, designate sections of a city or of a state for that sort of thing and tax the crap out of it and regulate it. Just another source of revenue we should be rightfully exploiting.
I think increasing incentives to join the military is where it\'s at. These guys willingly do a job protecting a ton of people, especially on this board, who would otherwise outright refuse to. That takes a lot of balls to sign up when you know in six months you\'re going to be put into harms way right out the gate with some of the worst benefits, worst pay, and worst working conditions on the planet even though the job is probably one of the most important on the face of the Earth.
I think instead of making these horrible "benefits" staples of our volunteer military, we should be increasing them dramatically to make serving an option for anyone that is heavily considered by everyone. Increase their pay. There\'s no reason some pencil pusher should be making five times the amount these guys make by simply crunching numbers. I don\'t think a high five figure salary should be out of the question -- somewhere between 75 and 90k as a standard GI starting pay with the rates differing in rank in a unit.
Increase health benefits (provided we don\'t have a unified health care system by then). Extend them for their entire life, even after their tour of duty is completed and add it to their immediate family including their children and their wives or their parents. I don\'t see why this couldn\'t be done as it\'s just probably one of the biggest incentives to join the military in the first place given over %50 of the nation is without any healthcare already.
Extend college benefits to the soldier AND to their children. There\'s no reason why this shouldn\'t be done as well as a soldier is essentialy fighting for the futures of so many and what better way to make due on that incentive to join then to offer immediate results to their immediate family.
Just what I think anyways.
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Originally posted by Ryu
I agree with legalizing marijuana. I don\'t use any controlled substances myself personally, but marijuana is going to be grown and used no matter what so if people are going to use it no matter what, you might as well legalize it and tax the crap out of it. It\'s a source of revenue for the country that we should be exploiting, not throwing money at to get rid of.
I agree with you totally on that. Also, people do it too because they feel they are rebelling by doing something illegal. By making it legal, and taxed, drug dealers will lose money, smugglers will be out of a job and teens won\'t do it as much because it is legal to do. Ofcoarse bput restrictions on it like only at home and crap like that. The prostitution thing comes to the Christianity and other religious morals that are still used today so I don\'t think it will ever be legal. Kind of an interesting view you have though. May have to agree with it.
I think increasing incentives to join the military is where it\'s at. These guys willingly do a job protecting a ton of people, especially on this board, who would otherwise outright refuse to. That takes a lot of balls to sign up when you know in six months you\'re going to be put into harms way right out the gate with some of the worst benefits, worst pay, and worst working conditions on the planet even though the job is probably one of the most important on the face of the Earth.
I think instead of making these horrible "benefits" staples of our volunteer military, we should be increasing them dramatically to make serving an option for anyone that is heavily considered by everyone. Increase their pay. There\'s no reason some pencil pusher should be making five times the amount these guys make by simply crunching numbers. I don\'t think a high five figure salary should be out of the question -- somewhere between 75 and 90k as a standard GI starting pay with the rates differing in rank in a unit.
Increase health benefits (provided we don\'t have a unified health care system by then). Extend them for their entire life, even after their tour of duty is completed and add it to their immediate family including their children and their wives or their parents. I don\'t see why this couldn\'t be done as it\'s just probably one of the biggest incentives to join the military in the first place given over %50 of the nation is without any healthcare already.
Extend college benefits to the soldier AND to their children. There\'s no reason why this shouldn\'t be done as well as a soldier is essentialy fighting for the futures of so many and what better way to make due on that incentive to join then to offer immediate results to their immediate family.
Just what I think anyways.
Agreed totally there. They should be highly paid. This way, people will join up for the money and there will be a lot of soldiers to fight in the wars. These guys deserve every penny they get and should get.
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2) Proportional voting in the electoral college. If I am a democrat in a red state, a republican in a blue state, or a third party voter in any state my vote doesn\'t really count. Making the votes proportional will eliminate the concept of "Red State vs. Blue State".
I agree with that. It\'s especially ridiculous when states like California are worth 50 something electoral votes. It\'s very disproportional, and very stupid.
I agree with you totally on that. Also, people do it too because they feel they are rebelling by doing something illegal. By making it legal, and taxed, drug dealers will lose money, smugglers will be out of a job and teens won\'t do it as much because it is legal to do.
I\'ve always thought this way.
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The only reason marijuana is illegal is because the U.S. government can\'t place a tax on it... I just don\'t understand why they just don\'t go ahead and legalize it, and make some bank off of it. Marijuana is hardly a threat to American society, and despite ignorant belief that it leads to bigger drugs, it is essentially harmless. Law enforcement can actually start focusing on real issues and crimes rather than busting some 16-year old pothead, who hardly is any threat to society.
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All of my friends who\'ve smoked pot have moved on to bigger things. It\'s not an ignorant belief. Some stay with it, lace it with something, or move on to a different drug entirely. They said they just don\'t get a good enough high anymore from marijuana. They\'re stupid, but whatever...it\'s their bodies, they can destroy it if they want. Marijuana isn\'t harmless, either...THAT is an ignorant belief.
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Yes, harmful to one\'s self, however I was referring to others. People don\'t get high and then beat their wives and children. And that was probably quick of me to say it doesn\'t lead to bigger things, however from all the guys I\'ve known who smoked pot, thats all they ever did.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Funniest post ever from you, Giga. You totaly lash out at my healthcare plan and say you don\'t want to pay taxes for people being lazy asses and somehow "swindeling" a healthcare for all system, yet you would be willing to pay far more taxes for more prisons, more guards, and invest more land to feed, clothe, and care for far more prisoners. That\'s f*cking beautiful. You\'re awesome man. You\'d care for people who break the law and pay more money for them on a daily basis then to pay for other people getting taken care of who are law abiding citizens. That\'s sweet.
Glad you got a laugh out of it, but if you privatize the prison system and bid out contracts to companies to run prisons they can be self sufficient. Make prisoners work for their care and there will be no burden on the taxpayer. More jobs at these prisons will also put more back into the economy as new jobs will be created.
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My friend gets angry on pot, but he\'s a rare case (it\'s gotta be laced with something). Everyone else is tame and layed back :) Which is what it\'s supposed to do. It\'s definitely a lot less harmful (to others in terms of attitude and physical action) then, for example, alcohol. As long as you stay at home and aren\'t driving (won\'t drive with my friend ever again...he was high and almost got me killed on the freeway).
Drugs in general are bad, but if you\'re going to do it anyway...pot would be the best thing, as it won\'t make you go kill someone.
Just for education and I don\'t really think that is a socialist idea. I freely admit healthcare is way overpriced as is college tuition, but I feel college tuition has gotten entirely out of control when compared to other services in this country.
I agree. College costs an arm and a leg. A lot of people spend the remainder of their life paying off college loans. That\'s just not right.
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The general consensus is that yes, drugs are "bad" but marijuana is the least dangerous and perhaps.. should be legalized.
For those of you who agree with the legalization, would you disagree with the idea that marijuana legalization would lead to every currently illegal drug being also legalized? I doubt it\'ll end at marijuana.
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Problem with legalizing marijuana from the governments standpoint, is that its so far underground and traffic\'d from other countries and our own that it\'d be almost impossible to tax. I don\'t mind it being legal, but taxing would be a very big task for the government. As far as prison systems go, I say we just deport them to France, or rather we could build a wall in a state where no one really lives and leave them there. ;)
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1) Proportional Electoral college: It really doesn\'t work like this. States are still weighted and populular areas still get more delegates, but damn, not the whole state.
2) Have to have a high school diploma to vote. I\'m sorry, but if you can\'t pass high school, how in the hell can you make an informed decision on who you want to be in office?
Those are my first two thoughts.
Oh, the pot thing. I don\'t really see a need to legalize it. It\'s not like it\'s good for you. Why do we really need it?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Just for education and I don\'t really think that is a socialist idea. I freely admit healthcare is way overpriced as is college tuition, but I feel college tuition has gotten entirely out of control when compared to other services in this country.
You are a hypocrite. For one enforcing ANY government regulation or controls on the cost of something is a socialist policy and if the government were to make it free it would cost a lot of money. In the same vein of your arguments against universal health care, how are we supposed to pay for all of these kids\' educations?
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Legalization of pot and other drugs? The war on drugs is racist? Please... build more prisons.
I\'ve been doing a criminal justice report on this for the past couple of months so I know that this is fact. The usage reports show that whites use and sell more drugs than blacks, latinos, and asians yet blacks and latinos make up the majority of all drug arrests and convictions.
5 grams of crack cocaine(a drug associated with blacks) gets you 5 years in prison while you need 500 grams of powder cocaine(a drug associated with whites) to get the same penalty.
If you really want to sit there and say that the answer to crime is more prisons then you TRULY have your head entrenched in your ass. Its just not that simple.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Like we need Europe to tell us what is wrong with our country and how to fix it. :rolleyes:
By reading the above reply I guess being realistic isn\'t part of the thought process...
As for making America better - take us out of the UN. Kick the UN out of NY and start creating alliances with countries that are in tune with us economically and diplomatically.
Do away with welfare and affirmative action.
Impose strict immigration rules and deport all illegal aliens immediately.
Drastically reduce college tuition or make it all together free.
Build more prisons and actually enforce the law. Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded. Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.
LOL!
Maybe we should check the definition of "realistic" again...
And while we are at it let\'s segregate schools once again!
I would do everything OPPOSITE of that.
Make America less arrogant and selfish. Instead of do it our way all the time we need to cooparate with the entire world for it. Not just the ones that think alike. That is stupid. Very stupid. Shit, that is beyond stupid.
Fix Welfare so that people don\'t take advantage of it. I don\'t know, set up a program where people have to show gradual increase in income or at least working hard. Not all people in Welfare are dirt poor thieves you know.
Keep affirmative action until all the racist and Giga-thinkers are gone.
"Earned" legalization. B/c if we are being realistically here. Deporting all illegal immigrants would be a BIG bitch. Impossible. And the economy would feel it. The job market will feel it. And the rich white families would have nobody to mow their lawn. Feed their kids. Or wash their dishes.
So like some Democrats have proposed have to where people who have made their lives in this country. Have had a clean criminal record. Show investment in this economy and even held a job where they actually PAY taxes (Like most illegal immigrants with families-mine is no exception) Are putting their kids thru college (or about to) and so on.
Basically families who have lived the American dream and that REPRESENT what the American dream is all about.
I actually agree with the college tutition stuff. Impossible but it\'s a nice thought.
and I agree with everything BS has said. Except legalization of Marijuana and other drugs.
Also I would make hate crimes against gays punishable. And make the penalties more severe.
Also MORE PROTECTION TO ANIMALS!
Shit, they deserve this world more than any of us selfish, stupid and destructive humans.
And put politicians that are actually honest, have ingegrity and are able to separate their own believes from their job as the leaders of this country...
LOL, yeah and while we are at that let\'s put Santa as our embassador to France.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Giga has been spending too much time on Stormfront.org :p
jk
LOL
I\'m about to sign up as a member!
Did you see their requirements for some scholarship?
"Any white person attending an institution of higher learning in the United States at least half time (6 semester hours) in the Fall of 2004."
I have Spanish blood. Spain is in Europe. So does that count?
Essay topic:
White Americans are oppressed by inimical state and federal governments, an antagonistic judiciary and legal environment, an anti-white media that degrades our culture and undermines our moral legitimacy, an invasion of legal and illegal immigration, a discriminatory job market, anti-white preferences in college admissions and scholarships, and confiscatory tax rates and government-induced inflation that make raising white children and providing security for our future a financial burden. Our elected representatives generally refuse to represent our interests to the degree necessary to affect these policies in a significant way.
Shit are white people that bad in life?
I don\'t know. They did have a huge head start over any minority. Due to their oppression...
You know my friend Charles won a scholarship from the National Hispanic Heritage fund. And he is "white" Actually he traced his family and saw that he had a latino root and he won the award!
And my friend Theresa(She\'s asian) won a scholarship because she wrote an essay in Spanish.
See, she is Tri-Lingual (Spanish, Vietnamese and English).
But then again knowing Spanish won\'t get you anything in life right Giga?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=168215
Stupid people.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
You are a hypocrite. For one enforcing ANY government regulation or controls on the cost of something is a socialist policy and if the government were to make it free it would cost a lot of money. In the same vein of your arguments against universal health care, how are we supposed to pay for all of these kids\' educations?
Raise taxes on tobacco and alcohol and use state lottery funds for grants. That is how you pay for it. Many states already do this in regards to the lottery, but combine that with tobacco and alcohol revenue in addition to reviewing the overpriced cost of tuition - a solution could be found.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
I\'ve been doing a criminal justice report on this for the past couple of months so I know that this is fact. The usage reports show that whites use and sell more drugs than blacks, latinos, and asians yet blacks and latinos make up the majority of all drug arrests and convictions.
5 grams of crack cocaine(a drug associated with blacks) gets you 5 years in prison while you need 500 grams of powder cocaine(a drug associated with whites) to get the same penalty.
If you really want to sit there and say that the answer to crime is more prisons then you TRULY have your head entrenched in your ass. Its just not that simple.
Where are these "facts" regarding whites selling and using more drugs? I suppose more whites use pot, but you are quoting drugs like cocaine.
You have been watching too much of The Wire. Next thing you know you are going to tell me that the entire judicial system in the US is racist because minorities compromise the largest percentage of the prison population. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
LOL
I\'m about to sign up as a member!
Did you see their requirements for some scholarship?
"Any white person attending an institution of higher learning in the United States at least half time (6 semester hours) in the Fall of 2004."
I have Spanish blood. Spain is in Europe. So does that count?
Essay topic:
White Americans are oppressed by inimical state and federal governments, an antagonistic judiciary and legal environment, an anti-white media that degrades our culture and undermines our moral legitimacy, an invasion of legal and illegal immigration, a discriminatory job market, anti-white preferences in college admissions and scholarships, and confiscatory tax rates and government-induced inflation that make raising white children and providing security for our future a financial burden. Our elected representatives generally refuse to represent our interests to the degree necessary to affect these policies in a significant way.
Shit are white people that bad in life?
I don\'t know. They did have a huge head start over any minority. Due to their oppression...
You know my friend Charles won a scholarship from the National Hispanic Heritage fund. And he is "white" Actually he traced his family and saw that he had a latino root and he won the award!
And my friend Theresa(She\'s asian) won a scholarship because she wrote an essay in Spanish.
See, she is Tri-Lingual (Spanish, Vietnamese and English).
But then again knowing Spanish won\'t get you anything in life right Giga?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=168215
Stupid people.
No these are stupid people:
http://www.azteca.net/aztec/mecha/index.shtml
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Proportional representation:hello stupidity.
Stupidity: hello proportional representation.
3 states would control the country it\'s not a good idea.(that is if I\'m thinking of is actually proportional rep...if not hi)
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States would have the exact same number of votes as before. It\'s just now the entire state of california is controlled by LA, New York is controlled by NYC.
Nothing changes in the regards to state control. What it gives is more City control.
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Exactly, it gives urban areas more control over rural areas.
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Raise taxes on tobacco and alcohol and use state lottery funds for grants. That is how you pay for it. Many states already do this in regards to the lottery, but combine that with tobacco and alcohol revenue in addition to reviewing the overpriced cost of tuition - a solution could be found.
California already does this, as does New York. In fact, it\'s taxed so bad in those states that it\'s unfathomable how people can throw money away in regards to it. It is not a working solution.
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Really, well most of the country doesn\'t pay higher taxes on those items. Alabama doesn\'t even have a lottery and people here wonder why we don\'t have money for education.
Raising property taxes slightly in certain areas can also contribute. Do you know that alot of the tax money from wealthier states goes to poorer states? If that didn\'t happen states like NY and CA would have more funds as well.
I never claimed to be a financial expert, but if you are saying it is unfathomable to increase taxes on those items, how can you justify increasing taxes in general across the board for healthcare? Not everyone goes to college, while you are proposing everyone gets free healthcare?
Quality of schools for the most part have a direct correlation to how much property taxes any given community pays.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
No these are stupid people:
http://www.azteca.net/aztec/mecha/index.shtml
I would of thought that you would find nothing wrong with stormfront.org
You\'re credibility just went from slim to stupid.
Mecha have a reason for being there. Stormfront is just a bunch of white people whining.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I would of thought that you would find nothing wrong with stormfront.org
You\'re credibility just went from slim to stupid.
Mecha have a reason for being there. Stormfront is just a bunch of white people whining.
You are a complete joke not to mention a racist. I hadn\'t even heard of Stormfront until you and others mentioned it. It is a racist website and I have nothing but contempt for such organizations. For you to suggest I have no credibility because I reject Stormfronts agenda is absurd.
MEChA is also a hate group filled with moon-bats that wish to establish an Aztec homeland in the SE United States. La Raza means The Race for those who don\'t know... I dunno sounds kind of racist to me.
MEChA also promotes being Mexican first, Latino second and US Citizen third line of thinking.
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The tax system for me is something I\'d like to blow up and fix. Make it simple and not confusing by design.
Taxes, the root of all evil.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You are a complete joke not to mention a racist. I hadn\'t even heard of Stormfront until you and others mentioned it. It is a racist website and I have nothing but contempt for such organizations. For you to suggest I have no credibility because I reject Stormfronts agenda is absurd.
MEChA is also a hate group filled with moon-bats that wish to establish an Aztec homeland in the SE United States. La Raza means The Race for those who don\'t know... I dunno sounds kind of racist to me.
MEChA also promotes being Mexican first, Latino second and US Citizen third line of thinking.
MECha was made back in the days when the treatment of immigrant workers wasn\'t very good-not that it has changed though. La Raza is just another name for latinos...How is that racist?
A Mexican can be a US citizen. So can any Latino. So what exactly do you mean by "US Citizen third line"?
Regardless if it\'s a racist site or not. That essay topic seems to be fairly equal to some of the arguments you\'ve made before. And most of the stuff they stand for also seems fairly parallel with some comments you\'ve made.
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I say either legalize pot or ban ciggs. Honestly, both are bad for you. Both hurt people around them. Same with booze.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
MECha was made back in the days when the treatment of immigrant workers wasn\'t very good-not that it has changed though. La Raza is just another name for latinos...How is that racist?
A Mexican can be a US citizen. So can any Latino. So what exactly do you mean by "US Citizen third line"?
Regardless if it\'s a racist site or not. That essay topic seems to be fairly equal to some of the arguments you\'ve made before. And most of the stuff they stand for also seems fairly parallel with some comments you\'ve made.
Mexican Anti-Americanism in America
By David Montgomery
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 6, 2002
In Los Angeles last year, cars were seen bearing illuminated signs that read “F--- you, this is still Mexico.” Not just a few cars. Thousands. This is but one sign of the hostility towards the United States that is growing among Mexicans living in this country.
As the number of Mexicans living in the U.S. has ballooned (growing from 2 million to 23 million over the past thirty years), so have the feelings of anti-Americanism among them. While the many Mexicans living in the U.S. are still law-abiding and loyal, there are disturbing signs that anti-Americanism is on the increase. Worse, it is being aided and abetted by the anti-Americanism of native American leftists.
From our schools, to our television shows, to the seats of our political power, widespread disdain is shown for many aspects of our nation’s culture and heritage. We are setting a very poor example for the newcomers to our country, regardless of their predispositions.
Nowhere is this worse than on college campuses. At the University of Houston, a popular mural covers an entire wall of the Student Center. This travesty of art depicts the United States in the guise of a monstrous Uncle Sam terrorizing the strong but defenseless Mexican people, his foot stomping on a book labeled the “U.S. Constitution.” When the school proposed painting over the mural during a renovation, such was the outcry from Latino students that the idea was quickly abandoned.
Such anti-Americanism among Mexican students is encouraged by the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, the country’s largest Hispanic student group. “Aztlan” is the name given to a section of the western United States (stretching as far north as Washington and east as Texas) that extremist Mexicans still dream of as their own. Among MEChA’s more outrageous positions is their open denial of the authority of the U.S. government. They pledge themselves to be an “indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture.” What they propose is nothing less than treason, a Mexican nation “autonomous and free” to be balkanized from within the United States.
Of course, if anyone promoted a self-conscious racial nationalism on the same lines for white mainstream Americans, they would be condemned from one end of the political spectrum to the other.
Of course, these students who thought America’s ownership by right of conquest of conquest was illegitimate had no trouble with enjoying the fruits of our more developed civilization, and never mentioned that Mexico itself is a nation founded on conquests, both of the Aztecs (and others) by the Spanish and of prior Indian groups by the Aztecs.
This reconquista of the Southwestern United States – a movement to “take back” Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico, not by conquest, but by attrition – is the most obvious and potentially dangerous example of anti-American feelings in the Hispanic community. Mexicans intend to achieve this goal, in part, by immigrating to the area in such large numbers that they effectively, if not literally, claim the region for Mexico.
In their efforts at “reconquest,” Mexicans and Mexican-Americans have the full support and encouragement of the government of Mexico, particularly in the personage of President Vincente Fox. El Presidente is fond of saying that he is not the leader of 100 million Mexicans, but rather 123 million, the difference being those living in the United States. Fox isn’t the first to espouse this view. His predecessor, Ernesto Zedillo, once proclaimed, “I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders.” In other words, he is the sovereign of loyal Mexican citizens who just happen to be living in this country. This sentiment was subsequently backed up by the Mexican consul in Los Angeles, Jose Angel Pescador Osuna, who boldly stated that, “we are practicing la Reconquista in California.”
The dual nationality of Mexican-Americans is compounded by recent changes in Mexican law that allow even those expatriates who are American citizens to reclaim their Mexican nationality.
Mystiq - Mexican isn\'t a race, it is a nationality.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4957
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While Giga just when I think I heard it all.
I agree with BS 100% on everything he has said.
Giga like ryu said. Taxing people up the ass solves nothing. Just makes things even more expensive.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Giga like ryu said. Taxing people up the ass solves nothing. Just makes things even more expensive.
Cigarettes and alcohol are not necessaties. Ryu is for raising taxes. How do you think universal health care would be paid for? How ironic you and he are both against raising taxes yet were all for Kerry repealing Bush\'s tax cuts - and don\'t say they were for the richest American\'s because I got a nice check back myself and I don\'t make a six figure salary.
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The funniest part is Quddus\' **** America under his name. :rolleyes:
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and don\'t say they were for the richest American\'s because I got a nice check back myself and I don\'t make a six figure salary.
I got a fatty check in the mail as well. I think it was around 400 bucks. That made my day :)
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How ironic you and he are both against raising taxes yet were all for Kerry repealing Bush\'s tax cuts - and don\'t say they were for the richest American\'s because I got a nice check back myself and I don\'t make a six figure salary.
Wait wait, both of us? I never said I was against raising taxes. You must have mispoke there in the heat of the moment. Like you said in your statement, I\'m for raising taxes to pay for the majority of a unified healthcare system, not against it. Oh, and the tax cut checks -- it only benefited the rich or upper middile class of which I am neither. I didn\'t get a check.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Wait wait, both of us? I never said I was against raising taxes. You must have mispoke there in the heat of the moment. Like you said in your statement, I\'m for raising taxes to pay for the majority of a unified healthcare system, not against it. Oh, and the tax cut checks -- it only benefited the rich or upper middile class of which I am neither. I didn\'t get a check.
Certainly you would have been for repealing it... after all you state it didn\'t benefit you. Only the middle class and the rich. ;)
Secondly, maybe if you had earned a significant income you would have received some money back. I had a nice $1000 come back to me. ;)
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Oh, and the tax cut checks -- it only benefited the rich or upper middile class of which I am neither. I didn\'t get a check.
Dude...I was working a minimum wage sh^t job and got a fatty check. Why does everyone think it\'s benefitting the rich? Maybe you were just unlucky...:(
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Cigarettes and alcohol are not necessaties. Ryu is for raising taxes. How do you think universal health care would be paid for? How ironic you and he are both against raising taxes yet were all for Kerry repealing Bush\'s tax cuts - and don\'t say they were for the richest American\'s because I got a nice check back myself and I don\'t make a six figure salary.
I was also for bushes tax cut\'s even though it was mainly meant for the highend of society. Which is not a problem and I won\'t complain about the check I got back:)
Secondly you weren\'t just speaking on alcohol and ciggs. You mention property taxes and what not. Why not just raise taxes across the board and get it over with?
I highly doubt the government would raise cigg and alcohol taxes for higher education. They barely want to give me $500 towards my tuition.
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Originally posted by Bozco
The funniest part is Quddus\' **** America under his name. :rolleyes:
I love my president I really do
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Certainly you would have been for repealing it... after all you state it didn\'t benefit you. Only the middle class and the rich.
I didn\'t get money, nor did I lose money. I never had a problem with it. My problem was that you grouped me with Quddus and made a statement that was entirely false and then tried to make up for it afterwards. You still haven\'t recanted your statement.
Dude...I was working a minimum wage sh^t job and got a fatty check. Why does everyone think it\'s benefitting the rich? Maybe you were just unlucky...
I don\'t know exactly how it worked, but no one that I personally know of received any checks from the government and I don\'t exactly truck with high society types either. But we\'re most certainly not living in the gutters either. If I were to go off of that sample, then it fits with my reasoning that the upper middile class and the rich received checks.
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My best friend lives in a craphole of an aparment and got a thousand dollar check from his crap job too. And all my other friends as well.
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^^^Are you sure you aren\'t thinking of your regular tax return?
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Raise taxes on tobacco and alcohol and use state lottery funds for grants. That is how you pay for it. Many states already do this in regards to the lottery, but combine that with tobacco and alcohol revenue in addition to reviewing the overpriced cost of tuition - a solution could be found.
Yes its called a sin tax. States use these because no one complains about taxes on vices and if the tax causes people to quit it has a positive benefit. The problem is that a sin tax is not reliable enough to base a policy on(especially one as expensive as free education). If use drops then there is a lack of funds for a policy that allows MORE people to go to school. Eventually you end up with a system, just like Social Security, where there is more money being taken out of the pot than put in. Taxes would HAVE to be raised for ANY socialist policy including this one.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Where are these "facts" regarding whites selling and using more drugs? I suppose more whites use pot, but you are quoting drugs like cocaine.
Blacks and whites both use drugs at similar rates percentage wise but the fact that whites out number blacks 5-1 means that 100 blacks using drugs equals 500 whites using drugs.
Taken from the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse(that same information that the white house uses)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oas.samhsa.gov%2Fnhsda%2F2k1nhsda%2Fvol1%2Fgifs%2F2001fig2.12.gif&hash=6983e409945e4e127ea8c93f049fbab26d4a8f38)
- Among persons aged 12 or older in 2001, the rates for illicit drug or alcohol dependence or abuse were highest among American Indians/Alaska Natives (13.9 percent) ........ Among whites, the rate was 7.5 percent, among blacks, 6.2 percent, and among Hispanics, 7.8 percent.
- Between 2000 and 2001, there were increases in the rates of illicit drug or alcohol dependence or abuse for most racial/ethnic groups, but the increase was statistically significant only among whites (from 6.6 to 7.5 percent).
Originally posted by GigaShadow
You have been watching too much of The Wire. Next thing you know you are going to tell me that the entire judicial system in the US is racist because minorities compromise the largest percentage of the prison population. :rolleyes:
1) Racist may be too strong a word. Biased may be a better term.
2) Not the entire system just enforcement and policy.
Police have an incentive to racially profile. Look up "Civil asset forfeiture laws". Police can seize property and sell it without proving guilt. They do it so much that they are dependant on it. They need seizures to match funds from federal grants and pay salaries. Minorities\' generally don\'t have a political voice so police can do this without most people ever knowing about it.
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Sorry to be skeptical, but it is a survey after all and then to make it even more confusing it says percentage using in the past month at the bottom and at the top says annual aveage. WTF?
Also that demographic is lumping alcohol amongst other questionable items in with drugs like cocaine no wonder its skewed. I don\'t have time to waste reading through table after table and footnote after footnote...
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Sorry to be skeptical, but it is a survey after all and then to make it even more confusing it says percentage using in the past month at the bottom and at the top says annual aveage. WTF?
Annual average of percent using in the past month. You know 5% used in Jan. 6% used in Feb.
Yeah the fact that the White House uses this same survey to develop their drug policy means nothing. Its only relevant if it helps your argument. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Also that demographic is lumping alcohol amongst other questionable items in with drugs like cocaine no wonder its skewed. I don\'t have time to waste reading through table after table and footnote after footnote...
It is not a survey of "questionable items". It is a survey of ILLICIT DRUGS, of which Alcohol is NOT included. Nice try though.
You can\'t be bothered to "waste time" with facts which is why most of the garbage you post is pulled squarely out of your ass.
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Police have an incentive to racially profile. Look up "Civil asset forfeiture laws". Police can seize property and sell it without proving guilt. They do it so much that they are dependant on it. They need seizures to match funds from federal grants and pay salaries. Minorities\' generally don\'t have a political voice so police can do this without most people ever knowing about it.
Don\'t worry about that one for much longer. If conservatives get their way, as the latest front page article in my newspaper seems to suggest is happening as evolution is once again being thrown out of schools, then all immigrants will be deported and our economy will eat itself and America will revert back to the 1920\'s. GO GO GADGET DEPORTATION!
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
You can\'t be bothered to "waste time" with facts which is why most of the garbage you post is pulled squarely out of your ass.
Being in college, it is no wonder your ideas for this country ring with grand stupidity. College was originally supposed to encourage independent and critical thought, but it seems you have taken up the banner of your equally stupid liberal college professors. This is evident in labeling the war on drugs "racist".
You refer to one chart in a series of almost endless charts and reports to make an irrelevant point. I doubt anyone on here will read and decipher all of those charts and graphs - it is a waste of time and a headache to read. Our tax money at work... for what? Sorry, but I am not a chart reader. I don\'t enjoy it, nor would I use my free time looking at something that would cure insomnia. I would rather read a book on accounting.
Your legalizing drugs argument represents your flawed thought process. By all means keep on making excuses for those that break the law. It won\'t do you or them any good.
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Yes, harmful to one\'s self, however I was referring to others. People don\'t get high and then beat their wives and children. And that was probably quick of me to say it doesn\'t lead to bigger things, however from all the guys I\'ve known who smoked pot, thats all they ever did.
But a person could be driving a car while high. I forget who posted it but a while back there was a thread about a man who killed a kids when he ran the kid over in his car. The man was speeding and the boy chould have been easy to spot. The man was high so he didn\'t see him and smacked right into him, killing him. So, getting high is not only harmful to yourself but to others as well.
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Originally posted by cloud345
But a person could be driving a car while high. I forget who posted it but a while back there was a thread about a man who killed a kids when he ran the kid over in his car. The man was speeding and the boy chould have been easy to spot. The man was high so he didn\'t see him and smacked right into him, killing him. So, getting high is not only harmful to yourself but to others as well.
Those are rare instances... those occurences are much more alcohol related. Overall I think law enforcement wastes time and money busting people for pot, when there are bigger fish in the sea.
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Those are rare instances... those occurences are much more alcohol related. Overall I think law enforcement wastes time and money busting people for pot, when there are bigger fish in the sea.
Agreed. If it\'s legal to drink and that obviously causes deaths, then marijuana hardly adds fuel to that fire. At least with a tax on marijuana and the government (or state) making money off of it, it\'ll allow for more programs to be put together for people. If one day it did become legalized and it was sold in packs in stores, I can only imagine what that pack would look like... That\'ll be one helluva day.
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I\'ve read about 15-20% of impaired-caused accidents had to do with Marijuana...that\'s not rare...
Sleep deprevation is a major cause of accidents as well...so...GET YOUR SLEEP!! ;)
I still think it should be legalized, though...
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Being in college, it is no wonder your ideas for this country ring with grand stupidity. College was originally supposed to encourage independent and critical thought, but it seems you have taken up the banner of your equally stupid liberal college professors. This is evident in labeling the war on drugs "racist".
You refer to one chart in a series of almost endless charts and reports to make an irrelevant point. I doubt anyone on here will read and decipher all of those charts and graphs - it is a waste of time and a headache to read. Our tax money at work... for what? Sorry, but I am not a chart reader. I don\'t enjoy it, nor would I use my free time looking at something that would cure insomnia. I would rather read a book on accounting.
Your legalizing drugs argument represents your flawed thought process. By all means keep on making excuses for those that break the law. It won\'t do you or them any good.
Most liberals are independent and that is why we are called liberals. We don\'t abide with some of the crap conservatives love to preach about. That makes us a critical thinkers.
College professors are incredibly smart people. Their credibility is well above yours.
Colleges are fine. If they were preaching all of the crap you preach about would you consider them good?
Yeah, you would.
Colleges aren\'t "liberal" It\'s the new generation. Maybe because we can see past our own world and actually realize that there are people around us.
And that fronpage magazine...
LOL
Did I just see books on the left side such as:
How to talk to a liberal...if you must?
Unfit for command
The friend of my enemy is my enemy
Seriously Giga. You can\'t take biased reports and turn them into fact.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I\'ve read about 15-20% of impaired-caused accidents had to do with Marijuana...that\'s not rare...
Sleep deprevation is a major cause of accidents as well...so...GET YOUR SLEEP!! ;)
I still think it should be legalized, though...
That\'s probably the only thing Giga and I agree on.
Marijuana shouldn\'t be lealized.
There is no point.
No good will come from it.
It wouldn\'t benefit our society in anyway.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Being in college, it is no wonder your ideas for this country ring with grand stupidity. College was originally supposed to encourage independent and critical thought, but it seems you have taken up the banner of your equally stupid liberal college professors. This is evident in labeling the war on drugs "racist".
You refer to one chart in a series of almost endless charts and reports to make an irrelevant point. I doubt anyone on here will read and decipher all of those charts and graphs - it is a waste of time and a headache to read. Our tax money at work... for what? Sorry, but I am not a chart reader. I don\'t enjoy it, nor would I use my free time looking at something that would cure insomnia. I would rather read a book on accounting.
Your legalizing drugs argument represents your flawed thought process. By all means keep on making excuses for those that break the law. It won\'t do you or them any good.
I have tons of facts and figures. You asked for facts that correlate to whites doing more drugs than minorities and I gave them to you and now I didn\'t post enough facts. Kiss my ass. I\'m not going to hand feed you this information. The information is there but you already have your preconcieved notions about everything. I can throw facts at you all night but your head is too far up your ass to absorb any of them.
You have YET to show me anything to suggest that there is NOT a bias. You can say "The sky is red" but that don\'t mean shit when I can look for myself and see that the god damn sky is blue. That just shows that I know what the f*ck I\'m talking about; because instead of playing the bellend role like yourself I actually AM looking at information independantly and critically. If that makes me a liberal than sign me the f*ck up.
How would YOU explain the disparity in the numbers?
Conservatives have been on the wrong side of 99.99999% of the significant arguments in the history of mankind. I don\'t expect them to start getting shit right now.
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How fun these debates are.
Rarely do we get anywhere.
Giga, vid, mj, vs. the rest of the CE posters - gotta love it.
Its like watching reruns for the first time.
meh.
its 5 in the morning.
Give me a break.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
You have YET to show me anything to suggest that there is NOT a bias. You can say "The sky is red" but that don\'t mean shit when I can look for myself and see that the god damn sky is blue. That just shows that I know what the f*ck I\'m talking about; because instead of playing the bellend role like yourself I actually AM looking at information independantly and critically. If that makes me a liberal than sign me the f*ck up.
It is a damn survey. If a government agency asks someone "Have you used illicit drugs in the past year?", how many are going to actually answer honestly???? Seriously
Originally posted by Black Samurai
How would YOU explain the disparity in the numbers?
See above.
Originally posted by Black Samurai
Conservatives have been on the wrong side of 99.99999% of the significant arguments in the history of mankind. I don\'t expect them to start getting shit right now.
Who is talking out their ass? Where are you facts to back this claim up?
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
How fun these debates are.
Rarely do we get anywhere.
Giga, vid, mj, vs. the rest of the CE posters - gotta love it.
Its like watching reruns for the first time.
meh.
its 5 in the morning.
Give me a break.
But Nicon, where else can one debate without getting spammed or having the rest of the forum echo your thoughts? That is the great thing about this forum... both sides have a voice.
I also think this forum is a little more evenly divided than you portray. I could be wrong, but THX, Bozco, Ace, Ashford, Gman and Titan tend to lean to the conservative side going by the content of their posts.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
That makes us a critical thinkers.
You a critical thinker??? :laughing::laughing: I still don\'t believe you can actually think, let alone critically.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
Colleges aren\'t "liberal" It\'s the new generation. Maybe because we can see past our own world and actually realize that there are people around us.
Colleges are the bastion for liberal indoctrination. They indoctrinate rather than educate. This proves you can\'t think... critical thinker... :laughing:
Originally posted by SirMystiq
And that fronpage magazine...
LOL
Did I just see books on the left side such as:
How to talk to a liberal...if you must?
Unfit for command
The friend of my enemy is my enemy
Seriously Giga. You can\'t take biased reports and turn them into fact.
How to Talk to a Liberal (if you must) - Currently Number 5 on the NY Times Best Seller List - and it is non fiction... something you wouldn\'t know about.
Unfit for Command - Prior to the election was Number 1 on the NY Times Best Seller List...
Besides, Frontpage is a conservative website - that is why you see conservative books being advertised on it.
The article is credible for an op/ed piece. You can\'t even tell me what doesn\'t make it factual... come on critical thinker... :laughing:
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What the FUC K is up with all the FUC KING profanity and hostility?
Debate with some FUC KING respect and stop saying people are talking "out of their ass" or "moron this", "dumbass that".
Quit FUC KING cursing and just debate without the FUC KING insults...
ASSHOLES!
:p
;)
Oh, and I\'m neither conservative or liberal. I\'m more of a flip-flopper. I go a certain way, depending on the issue.
Against the Iraq War, for the Patriot Act, pro Choice, just to name a few...
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
But Nicon, where else can one debate without getting spammed or having the rest of the forum echo your thoughts? That is the great thing about this forum... both sides have a voice.
I also think this forum is a little more evenly divided than you portray. I could be wrong, but THX, Bozco, Ace, Ashford, Gman and Titan tend to lean to the conservative side going by the content of their posts.
Right. Well like i said it was 5 in the AM. I forgot some people etc. meh.
now its about 2 in the morning and im still not in the mood to jump in.
Sux i know. *shrugs*
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You a critical thinker??? :laughing::laughing: I still don\'t believe you can actually think, let alone critically.
Colleges are the bastion for liberal indoctrination. They indoctrinate rather than educate. This proves you can\'t think... critical thinker... :laughing:
How to Talk to a Liberal (if you must) - Currently Number 5 on the NY Times Best Seller List - and it is non fiction... something you wouldn\'t know about.
Unfit for Command - Prior to the election was Number 1 on the NY Times Best Seller List...
Besides, Frontpage is a conservative website - that is why you see conservative books being advertised on it.
The article is credible for an op/ed piece. You can\'t even tell me what doesn\'t make it factual... come on critical thinker... :laughing:
You\'re right I don\'t think. I\'m as stupid as you say I am. There are you happy?
Sometimes when my dog wants something. It whines and whines over the same thing over and over. It gets tiring after a while because the dog doesn\'t know any better than to let it go. So, you just give the dog what it wants, agree with it\'s demands. The dog wags his tails and goes on.
Anyways.
"liberal indoctration"
So how did you become a conservative?
It\'s only "Indoctration" if you let it affect the way you think. If you swallow everything they throw at you. Which also applies to conservatives. "Critical thinking" comes in when you analyze and choose to believe whether or not the "indoctration" is right. It\'s not whether or not is right. It depends what side your heart is on.
My heart is well set on equality, freedom and diversity. The believe that the true American way is the helping each other out. Is the notion to make sure that whatever you have accomplished in life others can do it too To make sure every mouth is fed and that authority isn\'t solely based on money.
I would love to see one statement from a Republican that doesn\'t involve money one way or another.
I still fail to see how any of you can make judgements of illegals without actually living a life like theirs. And I will never see how damning this people and being selfish is toward others is the true "American way"
It\'s a conservative website. Meaning that many of those writers probably share the same crap you believe.
Why isn\'t it factual? Because I still have to see it. I have yet to see what he claims is everywhere.
And besides, if you like to tell people to kiss your ass. Then you should also be ready for them to tell you to pucker up.
Wow, top sellers huh?
I don\'t really care. What are you trying to tell me?
Conservatives like to read biased books?
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I personally enjoy what\'s at the top of the hardcover non-fiction NY Times bestseller list. ;)
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Originally posted by Ryu
I personally enjoy what\'s at the top of the hardcover non-fiction NY Times bestseller list. ;)
HA!
I happen to own 3 out of those books.
America is a great book.
And I actually read some of that "How to talk to liberals"...Wow, how lame can those people get?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Anyways.
"liberal indoctration"
So how did you become a conservative?
When my sociology professor openly supported the idea of pedeophilia it made me start to question the liberal agenda in this country. It wasn\'t overnight, but it was a start.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
It\'s only "Indoctration" if you let it affect the way you think. If you swallow everything they throw at you. Which also applies to conservatives. "Critical thinking" comes in when you analyze and choose to believe whether or not the "indoctration" is right. It\'s not whether or not is right. It depends what side your heart is on.
My heart is well set on equality, freedom and diversity. The believe that the true American way is the helping each other out. Is the notion to make sure that whatever you have accomplished in life others can do it too To make sure every mouth is fed and that authority isn\'t solely based on money.
I would love to see one statement from a Republican that doesn\'t involve money one way or another.
You seem to be well indoctrinated by MTV, CBS and other liberal media outlets. You have absolutely no reason to hate Bush. He has more hispanics in his administration than any other President. He has proposed to give amnesty to illegals here now... and you still hate the man. :confused: I really don\'t understand the logic to your blind hatred, except that you have been indoctrinated and refuse to look at any positive things Bush has done for you and your community.
To make sure every mouth is fed? Since when was this the governments responsibility? Especially when it comes to illegals? Illegals do not deserve any benefits the government has to offer since they are not citizens. To make sure whatever "I" accomplish in life others can to? That is and has always been possible. You seem to imply that you want it handed to you. The answer to your statement is: WORK. If you are a citizen you have every opportunity that other citizens have. If you are not a citizen - tough luck... leave.
One statement a Republican has made that doesn\'t involve money? Are you really that blind?
Originally posted by SirMystiq
I still fail to see how any of you can make judgements of illegals without actually living a life like theirs. And I will never see how damning this people and being selfish is toward others is the true "American way"
Because they are illegal. They have no right to be here. Selfish? No its called abiding by the law. This country can better use its resources on citizens rather than illegals who come here for a free ride.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
Wow, top sellers huh?
I don\'t really care. What are you trying to tell me?
Conservatives like to read biased books?
And liberals don\'t? You read the book America by Jon Stewart didn\'t you? Hypocrite.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
When my sociology professor openly supported the idea of pedeophilia it made me start to question the liberal agenda in this country. It wasn\'t overnight, but it was a start.
You seem to be well indoctrinated by MTV, CBS and other liberal media outlets. You have absolutely no reason to hate Bush. He has more hispanics in his administration than any other President. He has proposed to give amnesty to illegals here now... and you still hate the man. :confused: I really don\'t understand the logic to your blind hatred, except that you have been indoctrinated and refuse to look at any positive things Bush has done for you and your community.
To make sure every mouth is fed? Since when was this the governments responsibility? Especially when it comes to illegals? Illegals do not deserve any benefits the government has to offer since they are not citizens. To make sure whatever "I" accomplish in life others can to? That is and has always been possible. You seem to imply that you want it handed to you. The answer to your statement is: WORK. If you are a citizen you have every opportunity that other citizens have. If you are not a citizen - tough luck... leave.
One statement a Republican has made that doesn\'t involve money? Are you really that blind?
Because they are illegal. They have no right to be here. Selfish? No its called abiding by the law. This country can better use its resources on citizens rather than illegals who come here for a free ride.
And liberals don\'t? You read the book America by Jon Stewart didn\'t you? Hypocrite.
I have yet to meet that kind of extreme liberalist.
I don\'t have cable so it couldn\'t be MTV. I could care less about CBS and tell me about all the "liberal" media outlets. Everything that doesn\'t support your conservative ideas is "liberal" right? And being "liberal" automatically makes it bad right?
It\'s not "blind hate" He could marry a Mexican woman for all I care. His policies are a joke, his stubborness makes America very open to attacks, the Iraq war is going nowhere fast(Nov. had the most number of casualties since the war begun), Afghanistan is a drug state and we actually believe that Iran has stopped their nuclear projects. All of the "hispanics" in his cabinet support his ideas. Their "closet hispanics" in my opinion. Too blind to even reach out to their own. Plus, his immigration reform plan is a joke.
What has Bush done for my community? Seriously, do you have any idea of what living in MY community is about? I don\'t think so. Do your kids go to a shithole school like so many of the kids in my community? Is the crime rate as high in your community than in mine?
And didn\'t Bush just cut funding that would help some aspects of my community? I think so. And is his No Child Left Behind crap really helping? No.
He has the support of people like you Giga. That alone makes me not like him.
It\'s not the governments responsibility. But you seem to love talking about your "culture" and how America is so great. That was my opinion of what USED to make America great. Now is nothing more than selfish, stubborn and unwilling country.
WORK! Wow, I should of really thought about that. I mean we all grew up under the same circumstances right? We both had parents who earned the same amount of money right? We were all white during the 60\'s and 70\'s right?
It\'s not that easy.
"Leave"- A true American
"Illegals come here for a free ride"- Right. Since you know so much about each one of them right?
Well, name one then? If it isn\'t about money it\'s something religious. It\'s not that I\'m blind, it\'s just that I\'ve never heard one.
"Hypocrite"- C\'mon you brought up those stats trying to symbolize something. I didn\'t mean that ONLY conservatives read those type of books. So please...don\'t take your assumptions and put them in my mouth. You seem to love that.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I have yet to meet that kind of extreme liberalist.
I don\'t have cable so it couldn\'t be MTV. I could care less about CBS and tell me about all the "liberal" media outlets. Everything that doesn\'t support your conservative ideas is "liberal" right? And being "liberal" automatically makes it bad right?
In my personal opinion some liberals are bad, but what makes you the worst is that you are an uneducated misinformed liberal.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
It\'s not "blind hate" He could marry a Mexican woman for all I care. His policies are a joke, his stubborness makes America very open to attacks, the Iraq war is going nowhere fast(Nov. had the most number of casualties since the war begun), Afghanistan is a drug state and we actually believe that Iran has stopped their nuclear projects. All of the "hispanics" in his cabinet support his ideas. Their "closet hispanics" in my opinion. Too blind to even reach out to their own. Plus, his immigration reform plan is a joke.
What policies have made us "open" for attack? We haven\'t been attacked since 9/11. There are casualities in war - get over it. We don\'t believe Iran has stopped their nuclear program - That would be Europe and the UN - I have no idea where you get your information because it is all completely wrong.
Closet hispanics? Don\'t reach out to their own? You are so racist it sickens me. What they are are true Americans who have earned their own way. Something you know nothing about or want to know anything about. You are as bad as those blacks that call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom. It is not their responsibility to "reach out" and help thier communities monetarily or grant them special favors. The gift they are giving your community is an example that you can succeed in this country regardless of your race or upbringing. This doesn\'t only apply to minorities - take a look at Nixon who grew up in poverty for an example of a white person who had nothing, but became something. That is the American way.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
What has Bush done for my community? Seriously, do you have any idea of what living in MY community is about? I don\'t think so. Do your kids go to a shithole school like so many of the kids in my community? Is the crime rate as high in your community than in mine?
Then do something about it instead of whining. You expect the President to fix your community? The problem with your community is that you don\'t take any responsibilities for your community. It is not the governments responsibilty to stop your fellow hispanics from commiting crimes and driving tacky automobiles.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
And didn\'t Bush just cut funding that would help some aspects of my community? I think so. And is his No Child Left Behind crap really helping? No.
Where? Show me how he cut funding to certain aspects of your community. Also, stop whining about having to take tests to prove you have actually learned something in school.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
He has the support of people like you Giga. That alone makes me not like him.
Good.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
WORK! Wow, I should of really thought about that. I mean we all grew up under the same circumstances right? We both had parents who earned the same amount of money right? We were all white during the 60\'s and 70\'s right?
What does white have to do with anything? You have more opportunities in this country than I do because you are a minority. There are many hispanics who are successful so stop trying to make this a race issue.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
"Leave"- A true American
Yes, your parents should leave. They are illegal.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
"Illegals come here for a free ride"- Right. Since you know so much about each one of them right?
They come here for money that they send back to wherever they came from and get a free education in our public schools along with getting treated at our hospitals even though they don\'t have health insurance. Yeah I would call that a free ride.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
Well, name one then? If it isn\'t about money it\'s something religious. It\'s not that I\'m blind, it\'s just that I\'ve never heard one.
Then you are deaf too.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
"Hypocrite"- C\'mon you brought up those stats trying to symbolize something. I didn\'t mean that ONLY conservatives read those type of books. So please...don\'t take your assumptions and put them in my mouth. You seem to love that.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
Conservatives like to read biased books?
Yeah some assumption :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
That\'s probably the only thing Giga and I agree on.
Marijuana shouldn\'t be lealized.
There is no point.
No good will come from it.
It wouldn\'t benefit our society in anyway.
I know it\'s a bit late, but I just awnted to add my two cents on this one.
If we should keep it illegal because there\'s no benefit to society, then why don\'t we make everything with no benefit illegal? Nobody needs an iPod, for instance. Let\'s make that illegal.
It\'s a silly counter to a silly argument I guess.
Fact is, making it legal would at least create a bunch of jobs and help move a bunch more taxable money through the system.
I think it\'d be interesting to see what happened if it was legal in the U.S.
Personally though, I don\'t smoke. I\'ve tried, but it just makes me feel like I want to puke. I only suffered through that one time to get high. It was neat, but not worth the gag reflex and coughing fit to get there.
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I lived in a relatively shitty area, and went to high school with a high concentration of Mexican students... they had all the same opportunities I had... I\'m sorry Mystiq, but your whole, "You don\'t know what its like" card is way too melodramatic.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I lived in a relatively shitty area, and went to high school with a high concentration of Mexican students... they had all the same opportunities I had... I\'m sorry Mystiq, but your whole, "You don\'t know what its like" card is way too melodramatic.
sorry i have to disagree somewhat here...yea in general we all have the same opportunities...y\'know i hear about all of these grants for minorities and things of that nature,..and even if those advantages are taken advantage of...and i\'m speaking from personal experience that minorities are still at a disadvantage...
swif,..if you and I went on a job interview with the exact same credentials your chances of getting hired will be higher than mine, bottomline...and not to turn this into a racist argument but that is just the way it is...and that are just some of the hurdles minorities have to go through...
on the other hand i agree it\'s not up to bush to clean up our neighborhoods like that..it should be the responsibility of the city officials in the said area ...as far as education goes yea the pres should make it a high priority to get these computers in these poor school systems and update the technology therein...i\'ll stop here i could go on and on but this is getting long...
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One thing I have to say, is I\'m white and I\'m not at some big University nor did I get jackshit from the Government as far as grants or any of that goes, for them to sit there and say that my parents can contribute 20 grand a year to my education is a f*cking crock of shit, but if they were poor the government would be more than happy to give me more money. Its stupid how the system is set up that until your 23 you are considered to be a minor or at least to a point they can say your parents are still helping you out. How did you plan to pay for SMU Mystiq??? Its like 30grand a year.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
In my personal opinion some liberals are bad, but what makes you the worst is that you are an uneducated misinformed liberal.
What policies have made us "open" for attack? We haven\'t been attacked since 9/11. There are casualities in war - get over it. We don\'t believe Iran has stopped their nuclear program - That would be Europe and the UN - I have no idea where you get your information because it is all completely wrong.
Closet hispanics? Don\'t reach out to their own? You are so racist it sickens me. What they are are true Americans who have earned their own way. Something you know nothing about or want to know anything about. You are as bad as those blacks that call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom. It is not their responsibility to "reach out" and help thier communities monetarily or grant them special favors. The gift they are giving your community is an example that you can succeed in this country regardless of your race or upbringing. This doesn\'t only apply to minorities - take a look at Nixon who grew up in poverty for an example of a white person who had nothing, but became something. That is the American way.
Then do something about it instead of whining. You expect the President to fix your community? The problem with your community is that you don\'t take any responsibilities for your community. It is not the governments responsibilty to stop your fellow hispanics from commiting crimes and driving tacky automobiles.
Where? Show me how he cut funding to certain aspects of your community. Also, stop whining about having to take tests to prove you have actually learned something in school.
Good.
What does white have to do with anything? You have more opportunities in this country than I do because you are a minority. There are many hispanics who are successful so stop trying to make this a race issue.
Yes, your parents should leave. They are illegal.
They come here for money that they send back to wherever they came from and get a free education in our public schools along with getting treated at our hospitals even though they don\'t have health insurance. Yeah I would call that a free ride.
Then you are deaf too.
Yeah some assumption :rolleyes:
Yeah. I suppose the war in Iraq was a well planned war? You\'re right. It didn\'t intensify American hatred. It didn\'t unite terrorist groups for the same cause. You\'re right. Keep sending troops so they can die over there so we don\'t get attacked over here. I mean that was the reason for the war right?
I haven\'t earned my own way. You\'re right. I mean I didn\'t work to help out my family, I didn\'t go to school and I drive a tacky car like you implied all Mexicans do.
You\'ve never taken those test Giga. I don\'t see how pulling you out of Stats to take a test that is dumbed down for the lowest achieving school can benefit us. Those test are a joke and they don\'t prove anything.
I really take no insult to you calling me racist. I\'m not. But alot of people that think like you think I that I am. I think you\'re a racist just because of the crap you\'ve said you\'ve done. I\'m not going to tell you to stop calling me racist, mainly because you have mods that back you up. And you wouldn\'t anyways.
I respect the white people. I don\'t hate them. I don\'t feel anything bad towards them. In fact, my mom thinks white people are the nicest people ever. Which they are because alot of them actually know how to behave in public...I\'m talking about a perticular group of white people. Those that are bound and would love to implement hardcore policies against minorities and specially mexicans. There still are some like that. If the government was filled with Hispanics that had the same mind set as some of the Bush administration memebers, I would feel the same way about them.
There are plenty of people to whom I look up to. Like I\'ve said, the Republican party has a knack to breed people like you, therefore any Hispanic that is even taking part with the party is NOT somebody I would look up to. It\'s not racist, it\'s just guilty because of association. Don\'t take me wrong, it\'s great that minorities are moving up in the government. I\'m glad there are Hispanics out there who have taken advantage of their opportunities and have moved up. But the rest of them are not well represented in government. I know there is ONE senator who is a strong advocate for immigrants. I can\'t remember his name though sadly. Also the governor of Arizona(I think) is somebody that can make an impact.
JFK is one of the few I look up to. Cesar Chavez is another great example.
THERE are Hispanics that are succesful. But then theres the rest. The majority. If there is anything I can\'t stand is those Hispanics who were brought up by illegal parents, became something important and now don\'t even look back. I happen to know people like that and sadly that just makes me wonder about my people.
There are going to be plenty more succesful minorities this new generations. I mean, look at me! You might hate to admit it and you must think is horrible but you know I\'m not alone. Plenty of other teenagers think the way I do to a degree. 80 percent of my class is Hispanic and my school is known around the world. We are all going to college and guess what? We are all members of Lulac.
My parents want to leave. But they can\'t. I have two more brothers in school! So when their done with their "free ride" then we\'ll see what happens. Giga, my parents have a house, two cars and almost 14 credit cards. I think they\'ve pretty much accomplished their dream. And it wasn\'t as easy as "getting a free" ride because they didn\'t. I lived it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Speaking of SMU-I GOT IN!!!
And I need to fill out some scholarships they\'ve sent me. Sadly, I didn\'t win the President\'s scholar.
How do I plan to pay for it? My parents already said they\'ll pay half and the rest hopefully would be covered by scholarships. And to my surprise, I have yet to apply for a minority scholarship.
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First you say you go to one the crappiest schools now you say it is known "around the world" and you are "all going to college."
Secondly, you say your parents have 2 cars - you also stated they were illegal. Illegals can\'t have drivers licenses.
So which is it Mystiq? You either lied before or are lying now.
In essence you are saying the Republican Party is racist - because they breed people like me who are white, conservative and middle class and just because a hispanic is conservative and middle class they don\'t have "hispanic values" anymore?
Lastly, what impact do you want them to make? Give you something no other race in America has? Tilt the playing field to your advantage? :rolleyes: If wanting to allow more hispanic immigrants is your answer that is racist. The US only lets in so many immigrants in a year legally and other races are just as deserving as hispanics - I would even say more so considering the mass majority of illegal aliens are hispanic and they don\'t abide by the law when entering this country.
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1) Whats so unbelieveable about somebody going to college from a bad school?
2) Ive known Illegals with cars that werent doing too bad for themselves
3) I wont really get too deep into the whole race/racist issue but i can kinda see where Mystiq is coming from with the whole "not supportive of your own race" thing. I wont go as far to say that if you dont do anything then youre not "x" but if youre sitting in a position of some power and you see that your "people" or w/e are not moving up on the social/economic ladder, (to meet everyone else in the middle) and you ignore the fact then id agree with him more or less.
I guess it depends on how you were brought up, but if you dont resent your upbringing (assuming that it was a typical one of the culture ie traditions etc) yet you dont uphold those standards in your own home (and or adopt another ideal) then id still probably agree with mystiq.
Talk about run-ons.
I guess its all opinion and a person doesnt have to abide by any rules or standards of being hispanic, black, white etc but i guess its just one of those things.
I can say one thing though - and that that i definately agree or have similar sentiments about illegal immigration. I used to get into arguments with one of my old gf\'s over that shit all the time.
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i agree with everything you stated nicon..well put. that said tho since we\'re talkin of illegal immigrants, i feel everybody has to pay their dues...but i do have a problem with the u.s. letting cubans come here and stay illegally while haitians are sent back...
i think somebody in here stated that the reason was because the illegals from cuba were escaping a torturous gov\'t while haitians were not,..in any case it still sounds shady to me and it still feels it\'s not fair if you ship off one group and let the other stay...
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Originally posted by clips
minorities are still at a disadvantage...
swif,..if you and I went on a job interview with the exact same credentials your chances of getting hired will be higher than mine, bottomline...and not to turn this into a racist argument but that is just the way it is...and that are just some of the hurdles minorities have to go through...
Ha, a workplace at this point has to meet a quota of minorities or they get in trouble. How you figure it\'s the opposite is funny.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Ha, a workplace at this point has to meet a quota of minorities or they get in trouble. How you figure it\'s the opposite is funny.
It happens. Truely. Its funny how people think that every single organization goes through with all this quota shit but I dont doubt that many do if not most.
Then again, perhaps minorities just dont apply to certain places.
Tomaeto/ Tomahto
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Originally posted by Bozco
Ha, a workplace at this point has to meet a quota of minorities or they get in trouble. How you figure it\'s the opposite is funny.
it\'s true that they have a certain criteria to meet quotas, but why do you think they\'re there in the first place?......riiiight...if those rules weren\'t in place you\'d hardly see any minorities in the workforce..oh yea you will still see some,.but not to the the degree that you see now...
Now some companies do it just for the sake of keeping within their quota instead of hiring that minority for his skill...it\'s bulls**t..if companies didn\'t have that racist mindset from the jumpoff, and didn\'t look at that person\'s color and based their decision on their skill level alone, trust there would be no need for this quota crap....
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Personally, I don\'t think they need to be around anymore. The fact that you think 90% of the time a white would be hired over a black is laughable. More funny than that though is how you\'re turning around the quota to frown upon whites.
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I don\'t know about you guys, but if I was a minority getting a job and someone said here we need to have laws making companies hire minorities, that\'d be a slap in my face, its basically saying you can\'t get a job without the help of WHITEY, or thats what mystiq likes to call the government.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
First you say you go to one the crappiest schools now you say it is known "around the world" and you are "all going to college."
Secondly, you say your parents have 2 cars - you also stated they were illegal. Illegals can\'t have drivers licenses.
So which is it Mystiq? You either lied before or are lying now.
In essence you are saying the Republican Party is racist - because they breed people like me who are white, conservative and middle class and just because a hispanic is conservative and middle class they don\'t have "hispanic values" anymore?
Lastly, what impact do you want them to make? Give you something no other race in America has? Tilt the playing field to your advantage? :rolleyes: If wanting to allow more hispanic immigrants is your answer that is racist. The US only lets in so many immigrants in a year legally and other races are just as deserving as hispanics - I would even say more so considering the mass majority of illegal aliens are hispanic and they don\'t abide by the law when entering this country.
I would have to say NEITHER.
I said:
Do your kids go to a shithole school like so many of the kids in my community?
My school is a magnet school. I had to apply and get accepted. The school in my neighborhood is the one kids go to if they apply nowhere else.
My parents do have a license.
In essence, I\'m saying that the Republican party is gathering grounds for racist. They don\'t breed them. They\'re supported by many of them.
And about that Hispanic thing...Yeah. Pretty much. I\'ve met plenty of peole who have made their lives here. Are not doing so bad financially and support views like yours. When they go see mom and dad, turns out mom and dad were illegal until they were legalized by their kids. It\'s kind of...hypocritical?
The moment I turn 21 I\'m asking for legalizing my parents. So, don\'t worry they won\'t be taking any more of your jobs illegally...
You\'re right. They don\'t abide by the law. Then again, if my family was dying in a shithole community where you get paid 100 dollars a week I wouldn\'t either.
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I really can\'t believe how much crap you\'re giving me of saying "is that whitey whining?"
Hey, Giga got away with using it...Why can\'t I?
Let me guess...
I\'m not making this a racist issue. B/c you have still to tell me if the government is not run by old white males? Is it not?
How is that racist?
I\'m as far away as a racist as anybody.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I really can\'t believe how much crap you\'re giving me of saying "is that whitey whining?"
I\'m not making this a racist issue. B/c you have still to tell me if the government is not run by old white males? Is it not?
How is that racist?
I\'m as far away as a racist as anybody.
Say that all you want, doesn\'t make it true. You said "is that whitey whining" , but you didn\'t expect backlash? You said it in jest, yet downplay it now. It didn\'t add to any arguement, it was an outright racist comment. I\'d love to see you tie in "is that whitey whining" to old white males being in the government.
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Meh. And some would say that Gman\'s Chicken joke (gif) in his "Before mm says \'this is so 3 days ago\'..." thread about the whole basketball thing was racist.
Somebody says one thing and nobody lets them live it down while others get a slap on the wrist because they were "joking."
Im sure Mystiq doesnt hate you all. Give it a rest
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
In essence, I\'m saying that the Republican party is gathering grounds for racist. They don\'t breed them. They\'re supported by many of them.
Here we go again... :rolleyes: Why don\'t you just quit while your ahead. I have remained silent with all of your racist garbage up until now. You are a bigot with a chip on your shoulder about the Republican Party and white people. Bozco is right... you continue to downplay your comments and you don\'t expect any backlash??
Originally posted by SirMystiq
The moment I turn 21 I\'m asking for legalizing my parents. So, don\'t worry they won\'t be taking any more of your jobs illegally...
It is not about jobs. It isn\'t even about coming here and giving birth to idiots like you. It is about abiding by the law, which they don\'t so they should be deported.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
You\'re right. They don\'t abide by the law. Then again, if my family was dying in a shithole community where you get paid 100 dollars a week I wouldn\'t either.
So because they were born in Mexico and they came to realize that the US is much "richer" that makes it justifiable? Sorry, but economic hardship is not an asylum issue. Go through legal channels if you want to immigrate - don\'t come here illegally.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
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I really can\'t believe how much crap you\'re giving me of saying "is that whitey whining?"
Hey, Giga got away with using it...Why can\'t I?
Let me guess...
I\'m not making this a racist issue. B/c you have still to tell me if the government is not run by old white males? Is it not?
How is that racist?
I\'m as far away as a racist as anybody.
I got away with what exactly? I didn\'t call you "brownie" or "beaner" or "wetback" did I? And now you start again with the government being run by "old white males". This is the last time I am going to say this Mystiq - I don\'t want to hear one more word about how the white man does this or does that. Frankly I have had enough of your racist crap - you make Quddus look like a poster child for racial unity with your comments.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Here we go again... :rolleyes: Why don\'t you just quit while your ahead. I have remained silent with all of your racist garbage up until now. You are a bigot with a chip on your shoulder about the Republican Party and white people. Bozco is right... you continue to downplay your comments and you don\'t expect any backlash??
It is not about jobs. It isn\'t even about coming here and giving birth to idiots like you. It is about abiding by the law, which they don\'t so they should be deported.
So because they were born in Mexico and they came to realize that the US is much "richer" that makes it justifiable? Sorry, but economic hardship is not an asylum issue. Go through legal channels if you want to immigrate - don\'t come here illegally.
I got away with what exactly? I didn\'t call you "brownie" or "beaner" or "wetback" did I? And now you start again with the government being run by "old white males". This is the last time I am going to say this Mystiq - I don\'t want to hear one more word about how the white man does this or does that. Frankly I have had enough of your racist crap - you make Quddus look like a poster child for racial unity with your comments.
I don\'t have a chip on my shoulder about anything. I really don\'t. I have a chip on my shoulder about people that think like you but that is it. And the fact is they SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! I don\'t have a problem with the ENTIRE party. Just the ones like you.
Idiots have been here for a long time. How old are you?
That\'s your view. Mine is that you shouldn\'t label all as criminals and look at them as stealing animals that don\'t have a reason for breaking the law. I know it\'s illegal. We should abide by the laws. But when you\'ve actually lived through it, I prefere to be a hypocrite about it.
You used the word "whitey" So, I used it. Then you blew it out of proportion. You label me "racist" because I said that the government is run by "old white men" You still have to tell me how that is racist. I didn\'t say they were bad. I didn\'t say they were racist. I didn\'t say they only help the white people. You just like attaching shit to what isn\'t there. And frankly, I don\'t care. I NEVER said the white man did ANYTHING. Unless you\'re talking about slavery or the 60\'s but other than that NOTHING.
My racist crap...I\'m sorry...Is it not as well hidden as yours?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
You used the word "whitey" So, I used it. Then you blew it out of proportion. You label me "racist" because I said that the government is run by "old white men" You still have to tell me how that is racist. I didn\'t say they were bad. I didn\'t say they were racist. I didn\'t say they only help the white people. You just like attaching shit to what isn\'t there. And frankly, I don\'t care. I NEVER said the white man did ANYTHING. Unless you\'re talking about slavery or the 60\'s but other than that NOTHING.
My racist crap...I\'m sorry...Is it not as well hidden as yours?
WTF? I used the word whitey, so you used it? :stick: Were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?
Last time Mystiq, shut up with the racist tantrums, stop whining about your previous dumbass comments and move on.
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Mystiq, why do you continue to avoid your comment of "is that whitey whining?" You have yet to justify that one, and really, you can\'t.
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Somebody seriously needs to just CLOSE this thread. Its enough really.
Its either Mystiq trying to support his reasoning or other people saying its a load etc etc.
Of course im not a mod but this has gone way off topic and i think the only reason it hasnt closed is because somepeople wont let it go.
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You are right this is going nowhere.
Thread closed.