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Title: RYU or anyone, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 09, 2004, 10:37:17 AM
Seems like I heard you mention the samsung Dlp television in a recent post. I was just wondering if you own one and what your opinion is of it. I\'m thinking of getting the 42 in. model for the den and gameing. Thing is I just received a 12% off coupon from best buy that has to be used this weekend so I guess I have to make up my mind fast. This type of purchase usually takes me forever.
I tend to reserch to death before purchase :D . Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: Ryu on December 09, 2004, 11:54:24 AM
I set my uncle\'s up for him so my experience with actually watching them is limited to a few dvd\'s in 1080i.  From what I watched, the black levels are just unparalleled.  Absolutely gorgeous.  Plus, watching DVD\'s with a really nice progressive scan player on this TV is just a dream.  If you do buy one, just make sure that you get one that has HDTV built in as I think some models are ready for some card or something like that.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 09, 2004, 12:25:37 PM
Thanks alot. Appreciate the info.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: theomen on December 09, 2004, 12:47:47 PM
how did you watch a dvd in 1080i?  Does he have a pc hooked up to it?  Because you can get HD movies, but you need windows media player to play them.  The only other way I know of is a poor mans HD dvd, by resizing the DVD with ffdshow.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: THX on December 09, 2004, 01:18:11 PM
There are a few players that upscale to 1080i, but they are either total crap or Denons. :)  Doesn\'t matter since DLPs don\'t display 1080i, highest DMD chip Texas Instruments makes does 720p.

DLP is still the best choice for abosultely no burn-in while providing the best black levels.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: Cyrus on December 09, 2004, 01:58:51 PM
huges his hdtv ready big screen..... DLP bleh so what I have a great picture with mine and the cost was way less.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: THX on December 09, 2004, 03:00:25 PM
dlP is teh suCk!!!  LoL!!!  I sw it at Circett SH!TTY and i no min tv can beet it i think s0 NEWAYZ juSt Bie my Tv its realee good at wal-mart.  be shure to check out the ch1ckz wile u ther and take pix LoL!!!!
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 09, 2004, 03:08:11 PM
Translate please :confused:
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: DeAnna on December 09, 2004, 05:53:45 PM
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Originally posted by THX
dlP is teh suCk!!!  LoL!!!  I sw it at Circett SH!TTY and i no min tv can beet it i think s0 NEWAYZ juSt Bie my Tv its realee good at wal-mart.  be shure to check out the ch1ckz wile u ther and take pix LoL!!!!


Ok, are you drunk and acting stupid, or not drunk and acting normal?
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: Evi on December 09, 2004, 06:03:43 PM
He\'s pretending to be an idiot noob ;) I thought it was hilarious...
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: Ryu on December 09, 2004, 06:03:44 PM
I could have swore it had 1080i support... My mistake then.  In any case, the 720p was awesome looking.  :p  

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DLP is still the best choice for abosultely no burn-in while providing the best black levels.


This was my main point as it has mostly to do with how it projects the image on the screen so the black levels are just perfect.  Plus, the prices on these TV\'s have gone down big time since they came out.  2999 is nothing compared to the 3999 and 4999 they used to be going for.

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Ok, are you drunk and acting stupid, or not drunk and acting normal?


I believe he was insulting Cyrus\' post...
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: DeAnna on December 09, 2004, 07:34:21 PM
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Originally posted by Ryu


I believe he was insulting Cyrus\' post...


Oh sorry...it took me a minute to figure out what it said...and once I read it, I understood. :D LOL @ THX
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: GmanJoe on December 10, 2004, 05:10:43 AM
DLP looks great....until you view teh screen from a 45 degree angle or more. IMO, it has limited viewing agles. For my place, it just won\'t work out.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 10, 2004, 07:19:39 AM
So should I not go with 720p. I understand the more lines the better but for what I can afford the dlp is in my price range. I guess I could keep saving up. Suggestions?
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: THX on December 10, 2004, 06:06:33 PM
omen, someone else, and I went with the current DLP projectors out now.  Each paid around $1000.

I\'m with an Infocus 4805 blowing up the image to 80" and it looks great.  Only thing is you need a light controlled room like a basement.

And I wasn\'t hoping to make fun of Cyrus, just have some fun. :)  I like being an idiot sometiems.

edit- I always confuse gman and omen for some crazy reason.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: theomen on December 10, 2004, 07:15:17 PM
I have a Dell 2800mp, at 102" with a HTPC running ffdshow with about 4 filters, including 1200/768 resizing, deinterlacing and postprocesing and it looks unreal.   But like THX said, light is your enemy with projectors.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 01:10:25 PM
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
DLP looks great....until you view teh screen from a 45 degree angle or more. IMO, it has limited viewing agles. For my place, it just won\'t work out.


That is horse shit.

DLPs have BY FAR the widest viewing angle of any rear projection unit.

Only flat screen and front projection can beat it.

Where DLP loses it\'s light is virtical viewing angle.  If you are standing up looking down at it it looks like shit and lying on the floor right below it it looks like shit.


I have a seat that is about 70 degrees from center and it looks maybe 5% less light tops.

I\'ve had my 56" for a year and a half and would by the same tv again.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 12, 2004, 02:42:48 PM
Hey Vid, what make do you own? I broke down and went with the Samsung 46 in. Plenty big enough for me.
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=HLP4663WX%2fXAA
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: Ryu on December 12, 2004, 02:48:45 PM
I\'m pretty sure when Vid bought his, the sole company that made a DLP was Samsung...
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 12, 2004, 03:05:05 PM
Thanks, can\'t wait till thursday( delivery day!!!) The salesperson said that the PS2 through component looks killer. Hope so. Kid with a new toy. Keep in mind I\'m going from a 27in. analog t.v. to the 46in.   :wav2:
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 03:27:05 PM
Samsung HLN 567W

Did you get a tuner?  I got them to give me one free when I bought mine.  I also paid 600 bucks under list.  These guys have so much play it\'s not even funny.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: GmanJoe on December 12, 2004, 03:30:24 PM
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Originally posted by videoholic
That is horse shit.

DLPs have BY FAR the widest viewing angle of any rear projection unit.

Only flat screen and front projection can beat it.

Where DLP loses it\'s light is virtical viewing angle.  If you are standing up looking down at it it looks like shit and lying on the floor right below it it looks like shit.


I have a seat that is about 70 degrees from center and it looks maybe 5% less light tops.

I\'ve had my 56" for a year and a half and would by the same tv again.


Then the ones I was looking at were probably not of exellent quality coz even the salesman agreed with my horse shit. Right now, from my PC (and Mac), I\'m at about a 60 degree angle to my TV. If I had a DLP, it\'d look like horse shit.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 03:37:59 PM
Looks like I have to get out the camera...  :)
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 12, 2004, 03:41:51 PM
I got mine for about 800 under list plus some really good prices on dvi and component cables. The tuner will be supplied with my digital cable. You are entirely correct about the leeway some salespeople have.Have to learn to haggle. Vid, do you have a ps2 hooked up to it? If so, is it by component and how does it look.
As for viewing angle, in the store it appeared very good.I walked around all side and looked down at it and the view was fine.Disn\'t lay on the ground but don\'t intend to be on the ground when I\'m useing it. I will be about 8 ft. away and about eye level.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 03:53:52 PM
Manual exposure with an 8 second shutter.

I did the side one first.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 03:55:38 PM
And then this one with same settings from the front.

A little over exposed now, but not much.  DOn\'t forget, this is an 8 second exposure so any small change would really make a difference.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: GmanJoe on December 12, 2004, 04:00:55 PM
How much was yours, Vid?

Look, I\'m only telling you what I saw at the stores. Unless the salesmen was showing me a non-DLP screen but thought it was, I\'m telling you it got darker from an angle.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 04:11:19 PM
CRT screens get DRAMATICALLY darker from the sides.  Their viewing angle is probably around 60 degrees tops.  My screen is around 160 degrees.

Mine was I think 3700.  I think that\'s what it was.  They were listing in the mid 4\'s when I bought it.

Weighs about 80 pounds I bet.  Not too sure.  Very light.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 04:12:50 PM
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Originally posted by guar
I got mine for about 800 under list plus some really good prices on dvi and component cables. The tuner will be supplied with my digital cable. You are entirely correct about the leeway some salespeople have.Have to learn to haggle. Vid, do you have a ps2 hooked up to it? If so, is it by component and how does it look.
As for viewing angle, in the store it appeared very good.I walked around all side and looked down at it and the view was fine.Disn\'t lay on the ground but don\'t intend to be on the ground when I\'m useing it. I will be about 8 ft. away and about eye level.



No, just using S-video cables.

Don\'t spend much on cables  Especially DVI cables.  Digital streams aren\'t going to get the interference that analog will.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: GmanJoe on December 12, 2004, 04:30:23 PM
CRT? Like the regular tube TVs? No they don\'t darker from an angle.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 04:47:20 PM
NO, CRT rear projection.

We\'re talking rear projection here.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: Ryu on December 12, 2004, 06:37:26 PM
Yah, if it was a CRT rear projection, it would have looked like crap from almost any angle save for head on.  DLP\'s don\'t have that problem.

Vid, you\'re right about the weight.  80 is the exact weight that it has give or take a pound or two.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: videoholic on December 12, 2004, 08:35:27 PM
Yeah, when I picked it up to put it on the table, it kinda felt the same as when I go to take a piss.
Title: RYU, Question about dLP
Post by: guar on December 17, 2004, 08:41:33 AM
Damn, San Andreas  looks kill on the new 46in. I can\'t belive how much much better it looks even knowing component cables are an upgrade. I think I\'ve went to heaven. My eyes are going to burn out, oh no. :laughing:  :bounce: