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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on December 25, 2004, 06:37:36 AM
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Muslim Terrorists:
Believe that when they do these suicide attacks that they will be bathed in a sea of virgins forever. OR something like that.
Christians:
Believe that Christ died for their sins, but one day he will be reborn and if you believe him you will live forever in heaven.
I just have to laugh when people rag on the terrorists because their views are so whacked. Why are they wrong and christians are right?
Merry CHristmas. :bounce:
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This belongs in the Debate forum.
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what? I think your view is either slightly skewed, and/or the wifey didn\'t get you what you wanted under the tree. :) Don\'t take it out on the 3-4 Christians that are here.
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*waits for clowd (alliswell) to enter thread*
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Originally posted by THX
what? I think your view is either slightly skewed, and/or the wifey didn\'t get you what you wanted under the tree. :) Don\'t take it out on the 3-4 Christians that are here.
HEhehe. Just curious. Everyone says they are whacked because the guys who blew up the buildings believed they were going to get some poontang in heaven. Yet it\'s ok for our president to believe that jesus is going to come back from the dead and take people to eternal happiness.
Merry Christmas
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What crime did the virgins commit to be made to be part of the terrorist bathing process?
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Videoholic is about as ignorant about religion as he is about cars.
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Speaking of car shows, I\'ve now done over 200 episodes. That\'s a lot of freaking TV and I still don\'t know shit about those things.
Merry Christmas
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Evidently. Us car guys made fun of your show.
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Evidently, Gman is getting quite defensive.
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Problem is that you car guys probably don\'t know 1/10th of what you think you know.
Only thing I can say about my show is that it\'s boring. Well, boring to me. I can\'t tell you how many people stop us at conventions tellin gme they tape my show religiously. I don\'t get it.
Gman just wants his virgins in heaven. It\'s all good. Who wouldn\'t want that? Heck, I\'d drive a bus into a mall of people and blow it up for eternal life in a sea of virgins.
Merry CHristmas.
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Titan, this is what Videoholic said. And mind you, this guy is raising a child.
Believe that Christ died for their sins, but one day he will be reborn and if you believe him you will live forever in heaven.
First of all, today is Christmas. Quite obvious he has no respect or tolerance for other people\'s beliefs. If he\'s an atheist, why even bring this up except to spite us? I\'m not being defensive about my religion. I just don\'t like his attitude towards the Christians here. It\'s very discouraging that he\'s raising a child to be just like him. Someone who doesn\'t respect other people\'s beliefs.
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i was raised catholic but dont believe in it. Too much stuff is made up like "oo, if you think to yourself (pray) than he will hear u." And thats just a small thing.
I get what your pointing out, that every religion is far-fetched, but Catholics just think theyre beliefs are right and maybe put themselves on a pedistal when they look at other religions, but the difference is that if a group of christians were bombed, i would be angry. But if the extremist muslims were bombed i wouldnt give a rats ass.
Because ill take false beliefs that dont affect other people over a belief like the extremist muslims in killing innocent people/meeting 40 er however many virgins in heaven.
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I\'m not an athiest at all. IT was just something I was thinking about last night.
IT\'s just funny that it\'s perfectly normal to believe that someone is to come back from somewhere and rescue all of us, but at the same time it\'s insane to think that dieing in the name of your lord to achieve eternal life of virgins.
It just funny how everything is cool as long as the other person believes in what you do.
And I do respect other\'s beliefs, but I can quote all to hell everyone who blasts people for their beliefs. Although I have to assume you think the terrorists are perfectly fine in what they did since that is of course what they believe in. j/k
This insane debate is brought to you by Vid. The sad man who is raising a child to have rational thought.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
i was raised catholic but dont believe in it. Too much stuff is made up like "oo, if you think to yourself (pray) than he will hear u." And thats just a small thing.
I get what your pointing out, that every religion is far-fetched, but Catholics just think theyre beliefs are right and maybe put themselves on a pedistal when they look at other religions, but the difference is that if a group of christians were bombed, i would be angry. But if the extremist muslims were bombed i wouldnt give a rats ass.
Because ill take false beliefs that dont affect other people over a belief like the extremist muslims in killing innocent people/meeting 40 er however many virgins in heaven.
I feel quite similar. I was raised Catholic. I don\'t believe in it anymore but I still carry a lot that the church has taught me, except sex before marriage, I\'m neutral with abortion and I don\'t like their stance on gays. But the morals are kind of there. Let me just say I still carry a more Christianized foundation :)
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
I get what your pointing out, that every religion is far-fetched, but Catholics just think theyre beliefs are right and maybe put themselves on a pedistal when they look at other religions, but the difference is that if a group of christians were bombed, i would be angry. But if the extremist muslims were bombed i wouldnt give a rats ass.
I think my point was a bit lost in the violence. I\'m not sympothising for anyone. My only point was that both religions view\'s are eternal life, but one is considered normal and the other is apparently whacked. Is that not a little whacked? Both believe in something that is completely unexplainable, yet only one is considered whacked.
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Not all Christians think that way. I, for one, know that Muslims and Christians actually worship the same God. The God of Abraham. Jesus is actually well regarded in teh Quran, the Muslim\'s equivelant of the Christian Bible.
But I know that both sides have their extremists. It\'s a fact that both religions have a few knuckleheads who\'ve chosen to forget the message of peace that both religions preach. The Christians have their Crusades and the Muslims have their terrorists.
There are actually prominent Muslims, Vid, that have condemed these so-called "suicide for virgins" as complete false - or "whacked" as you say it. Religious extremists will preach hatred towards the ignorant who\'ll believe in anything. Even heavenly virgins as rewards, if they kill innocents.
I doubt you can actually raise your child with rational thought if you can\'t even educate yourself about such things you try to pass off as something you know about.
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I don\'t know anything about it. Never said I did. And again, I\'ve never said all Muslims believed this.
All I am saying is that an individual believes that he dies for a cause he gets to go have sex with virgins, He\'s a looney.
A guy follows belief all his life waiting for his god to reappear to take him to eternal glee, he\'s normal.
As an individual, what\'s the difference?
THis is basic, very basic. Not talking terrorism, not talking a obout groups of people. I\'m just talking the basic individual belief.
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Videoholic,
I get what you\'re trying to say, but the angle of the starting point of your thesis is crooked.
It should be something like this :
All wrongdoings, yes also the extreme ones like terrorist acts cannot be justified by beliefs, whichever that one is.
Then he could\'ve made a pollquestion outta that and ask ;
- agree
- disagree
anyway, I\'d vote agree with that stance.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I don\'t know anything about it. Never said I did. And again, I\'ve never said all Muslims believed this.
All I am saying is that an individual believes that he dies for a cause he gets to go have sex with virgins, He\'s a looney.
A guy follows belief all his life waiting for his god to reappear to take him to eternal glee, he\'s normal.
As an individual, what\'s the difference?
THis is basic, very basic. Not talking terrorism, not talking a obout groups of people. I\'m just talking the basic individual belief.
The belief is Christians will go to heaven NOW, if they\'ve been good. They don\'t have to wait for Jesus\' second coming to go to heaven.
I say it\'s immoral for a person to take the lives of innocent victims for his/her religious beliefs. Whether he\'s Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Red Sox fan.
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I don\'t think anyone can argue that religion is behind some of the worst crimes commited against humanity. You have your terrorist, witch hunts and so many other historic things and it all goes back to religion. It\'s just that simple.
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I don\'t know if its been said yet but you can\'t really compare fanatical muslims with your average christian. Fanatic Christians on the other hand are a different story. IMO, There is no difference between those that would kill someone for being gay/pro-choice and those that would kill someone for being American.
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CULT
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
The followers of such a religion or sect.
A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
hmmmmm
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The difference is that killing is involved on one side and the other is simply believing.
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Again....
Set the killing aside
Pretend there is no killing
I am only talking about the belief that they believe that when they die they will get to live forever with some virgin poontang.
Christians on the other hand believe that a guy is going to come back from the dead and bring them eternal happiness.
Again, I\'m not talking about fundamental muslim terrorist whackos. I am only talking about the basic beliefs. How are they different?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I don\'t think anyone can argue that religion is behind some of the worst crimes commited against humanity. You have your terrorist, witch hunts and so many other historic things and it all goes back to religion. It\'s just that simple.
It\'s not that simple. Leaders in the past have long used religion as a way of trying to manipulate others into warring with other people. If not religion, it would certainly be something else. China and the former USSR, for example, both atheist countries have caused atrocities against humanity.
It\'s like man will always use anything for its own selfish gain. When Ford built cars, robbers used the cars for robbing banks. Do you blame the car or the people who commited these crimes?
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Wow Vid....you kinda left that as a trick question, and a one-sided opinion. Sure lit up off-topic though!
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Originally posted by videoholic
I am only talking about the belief that they believe that when they die they will get to live forever with some virgin poontang.
Christians on the other hand believe that a guy is going to come back from the dead and bring them eternal happiness.
Again, I\'m not talking about fundamental muslim terrorist whackos. I am only talking about the basic beliefs. How are they different?
Save for various nuances they aren\'t very different. In fact some people consider the Islamic Allah and the Christian God to be one and the same.
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They are the same. Read one of my previous reply on this same thread.
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You kind of switched the topics vid. Christians and everyone else obviously sees the extremists as wack, but normal muslims arent looked down upon. Just because they have a different set of beliefs (while the same like Gman said) doesnt mean that they (christians) think down upon them. They just think differently and maybe expressing what they think looks like they are saying "you are weird because you dont think like us."
And that\'s prominent because 1) Its safe to say most of the religious people you run into are christian and 2) our founding fathers built the country on that belief
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I didn\'t switch the topic at all. Two beliefs. Both feel they get eternal life if they follow their belief.
And no, I don\'t think differently. I\'ve ony stated a question. I\'ve never stated my views.
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But in your original post you said "Muslim terrorists" and compared them to Christians. - and yes this should be in the debate forum.
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I believed in God until I was 4. Then I saw saw star wars, and realized it made as much sense (or more) than the stories they were telling me.
No religion for me, thanks.
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I just used the muslim terrorists as an example. THere are many religions out there where the followers have a whacked view, but in their own mind it\'s right. Heck, look at the budhists.
And I didn\'t realize we had a debate forum.
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Political Debate/Current events - maybe one of the admins should ad Theological Debate to the title as well. ;)
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There are extremists on both sides.
Difference is you don\'t see Christian extremists strapping themselves with explosives and killing others.
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OK, then I should just get rid of the whole Muslim terrorist thing.
How about budhists who believe in reincarnation. I mean to me it\'s kind of whacked to think I could come back as a cow. But is it any more whacked than believing that a dead guy could come back from the dead and give me eternal glee?
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And how about the Hare Krishnas? They believe in reincarnation, wipe their butts with their left hand, eat with their right, and believe that no matter what you do, if the last thing you say before you die is "hare krishna", then you escape torment and being reincarnated as a cockroach.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
There are extremists on both sides.
Difference is you don\'t see Christian extremists strapping themselves with explosives and killing others.
No but they have gone in to abortion clinics and blown them up or shut them up, each has their equivalent nut job Swif. Although the Muslim terrorists are much crazier imo, anyone who will kill themselve for a religion is just plain crazy.
Jesus also would have been called a Cult leader if he had shown up today.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
I believed in God until I was 4. Then I saw saw star wars, and realized it made as much sense (or more) than the stories they were telling me.
No religion for me, thanks.
The Force is with you, always :shy:
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Originally posted by videoholic
Muslim Terrorists:
Believe that when they do these suicide attacks that they will be bathed in a sea of virgins forever. OR something like that.
Christians:
Believe that Christ died for their sins, but one day he will be reborn and if you believe him you will live forever in heaven.
I just have to laugh when people rag on the terrorists because their views are so whacked. Why are they wrong and christians are right?
Merry CHristmas. :bounce:
Bah.I ve talked to someone who has studied islam and this is what he has told me.Most people misunderstand the islamic religion.Actually the real muslim teachings have nothing to do with killing non-muslims.The real teachings even say that the woman should be respected greately and she is not ment to do all the housework, cleaning etc.
It has more in common with Christianism than most people believe
In some arabian countries the teachings have been altered by the hand of man.The extremnists and fanatics are a result of this
Also many terrorost attacks dont necessarily have to do with religious fanatism.
Many many palestinians for example who make suicidal attacks are not because of religion.
Their suffering, loss of relatives and everyday killings have changed the way they feel for life.They are full of wrath and desperation.
Also some people fail to comprehend is the fact that some people with non-religious interests want to fanatise people to have them under their control for these interests under the mask of religion
Bin Landen didnt just decide for the twin tower attack based solely on his religious beliefs either.
The reasons behind most attacks have to do with politics, nationalism, desperation and other interests
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Wow, seeing how many of you don\'t have religions or w/e, this is a good place to put a topic of this sort...nobody to take up for religions...no fights/arguments/whatever...
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The Bible and the Koran were both written by man - despite what some would claim and as such both are subject to the agenda\'s of the authors.
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I like Unicrons post and do agree with him 100%. I know a little bit about Islam and it is really an equality religion that is respectful and whatnot. I know muslims and they are nothing like what you hear about.
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I agree that Bin Laden\'s motives are strictly political as well, and he uses his constant, "Praise be to Allah" as nothing more than a mask to hide behind.