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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Coredweller on January 14, 2005, 01:02:19 PM
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Wow, it sure was a good idea to invade Iraq as part of our "War on Terror!" :rolleyes:
Wait a second... that WAS the reason we invaded them, wasn\'t it? I can never keep this straight.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&e=1&u=/washpost/20050114/ts_washpost/a7460_2005jan13
Iraq New Terror Breeding Ground
By Dana Priest, Washington Post Staff Writer
Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, according to a report released yesterday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director\'s think tank.
Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."
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According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya (news - web sites), Kashmir (news - web sites), Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.
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So you saw this coming?
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Yes, and I posted my prediction here before we went to war. It was not such a great intellectual feat to see this coming.
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Yeah because if we never invaded Iraq terrorist breeding grounds would not exist.
Oh yeah, why believe the CIA now? They\'re the ones who screwed up the initial intel in the first place.
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How did it just turn into a terrorist training ground.......after we went there?
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Better to fight them there than here.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Better to fight them there than here.
that\'s the problem..the insurgents we\'re fighting now wasn\'t "THERE" until after we defeated saddam...
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Their own government isnt even set up...
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Originally posted by clips
that\'s the problem..the insurgents we\'re fighting now wasn\'t "THERE" until after we defeated saddam...
Thats right - they would be here.
Depleting their resources to carry out attacks here is the better alternative IMO.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Thats right - they would be here.
Depleting their resources to carry out attacks here is the better alternative IMO.
Did you miss this part, Giga?
According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya (news - web sites), Kashmir (news - web sites), Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.
The Iraq invasion itself, which we never should have bothered with in the first place, has helped spread radical Islamist ideology, and increased the feeling of unity among Muslims in their hatred of the United States. Our invasion has created terrorists, not just absorbed them into one place. If we had only attacked Afghanistan and left Iraq alone, Saddam\'s government would have limited the terrorist\'s ability to use that country as a training/staging area. Instead we invaded this country which was no threat to us, and created a problem for ourselves by rallying the entire Muslim world against us.
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I cant agree that Iraq posed no threat at all but I agree fully that by killing so many innocents we have definately stirred up some disontent if not hatred for the U.S. Some of these people are just kids. Who\'s going to teach them that this sort of thing happens in war? Some of them probably dont even know what this war is really all about.
Not to mention with Saddam out and elections coming up, the formerly opressed Shiia majority will most likely win. Hopefully there are no vengeful hearts waiting for the rest of the sunni population.
Meh.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Thats right - they would be here.
Do you really believe that if we had not invaded Iraq we would be fighting with terrorists in the streets of America?
WTH would you believe something like that?
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The terrorists would go into the heat of the combat because that is where the biggest threat to their cause is. By having the front there, it does help keep them there because that is the biggest threat to them.
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i agree with core....if the terrorists REALLY wanted to fight us on our turf, they can still do it..just because they\'re fighting in iraq doesn\'t mean that we\'re fighting ALL of the terrorists of the world in iraq...just as we\'re fighting two fronts of this war(iraq,afhganastan) spel...the terrorists can very well do the the same..even moreso since they basically don\'t care if they live or die....
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Clips is right.
I have a hard time seeing a bunch of Muslims running down our streets killing everybody with an AK. I would love to see them get into the country even more. That would be amazing.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Clips is right.
I have a hard time seeing a bunch of Muslims running down our streets killing everybody with an AK. I would love to see them get into the country even more. That would be amazing.
i don\'t think it will be as clearcut as that...but y\'know i travel to new york alot..and go through the holland tunnel....yea they stop box trucks and things of that nature...but cars go thru the tunnel with ease...i know it\'s impossible to stop every car, but s**t all you really have to do is load up the trunk of a vehicle with explosives and voila...major catastrophe.
i\'m not wishing that this happens... s**t i still live here, i\'m just sayin\' it\'s not a matter of where, it\'s when. maybe these terrorists want to mount an attack of either greater or equal that of the twin towers...when i\'m on the nj turnpike and i see those huge gas taks in those fields off on the side road. i think like "damn...all somebody has to do is launch a grenade, or some low level explosive of some sort and cause a firestorm of imacculent (spel) proportions....
yes i know nothing is fool proof..but to say just because we\'re fighting them over there doesn\'t mean they can\'t do something over here...physically or biologically........
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Originally posted by clips
i don\'t think it will be as clearcut as that...but y\'know i travel to new york alot..and go through the holland tunnel....yea they stop box trucks and things of that nature...but cars go thru the tunnel with ease...i know it\'s impossible to stop every car, but s**t all you really have to do is load up the trunk of a vehicle with explosives and voila...major catastrophe.
i\'m not wishing that this happens... s**t i still live here, i\'m just sayin\' it\'s not a matter of where, it\'s when. maybe these terrorists want to mount an attack of either greater or equal that of the twin towers...when i\'m on the nj turnpike and i see those huge gas taks in those fields off on the side road. i think like "damn...all somebody has to do is launch a grenade, or some low level explosive of some sort and cause a firestorm of imacculent (spel) proportions....
yes i know nothing is fool proof..but to say just because we\'re fighting them over there doesn\'t mean they can\'t do something over here...physically or biologically........
Good point.
But the way these people make it seem is as if Iraq is the only place for terrorist to breed the next gen. It\'s not. The probability of being attacked within our borders is still very high and the terrorist won\'t perticularly be from Iraq. They could be from SA...again for all we know.
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Originally posted by clips
i don\'t think it will be as clearcut as that...but y\'know i travel to new york alot..and go through the holland tunnel....yea they stop box trucks and things of that nature...but cars go thru the tunnel with ease...i know it\'s impossible to stop every car, but s**t all you really have to do is load up the trunk of a vehicle with explosives and voila...major catastrophe.
i\'m not wishing that this happens... s**t i still live here, i\'m just sayin\' it\'s not a matter of where, it\'s when. maybe these terrorists want to mount an attack of either greater or equal that of the twin towers...when i\'m on the nj turnpike and i see those huge gas taks in those fields off on the side road. i think like "damn...all somebody has to do is launch a grenade, or some low level explosive of some sort and cause a firestorm of imacculent (spel) proportions....
yes i know nothing is fool proof..but to say just because we\'re fighting them over there doesn\'t mean they can\'t do something over here...physically or biologically........
A note on those gas tanks. They are reinforced pretty thick to keep things like heavy storms and such to survive those. If someone shot a grenade, I doubt anything would have happened. If they planted C4 or something big on it, then maybe something would happen. However, they would probably get caught by security.
Nuclear plants are another controversey for terrorist attacks. I don\'t think its possible. The walls are so incredibly thick, they say even jumbo jets couldn\'t break through the reactor walls. So I don\'t think nuclear plants are a prime target for terrorists.
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Some people didn\'t seem to understand it the first time, so the CIA keeps repeating:
Iraq Conflict Feeds International Terror Threat -CIA (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&e=3&u=/nm/20050216/us_nm/security_usa_dc_9)
"The Iraq conflict, while not a cause of extremism, has become a cause for extremists," Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
"Those jihadists who survive will leave Iraq experienced in and focused on acts of urban terrorism. They represent a potential pool of contacts to build transnational terrorist cells, groups and networks in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries," he said.
President Bush, who portrays U.S.-led actions in Iraq as the leading edge of democratic reform in the Middle East, cited Iraqi backing for international terrorism as a reason for the 2003 invasion.
But a top level U.S. inquiry found last year that there had in fact been no collaboration between al Qaeda and Iraq under President Saddam Hussein.
"These sentences indicate Goss is very much listening to what his analysts are saying, and not necessarily to what the White House wants to hear," said Kenneth Katzman, terrorism analyst for the Congressional Research Service.