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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Halberto on January 17, 2005, 10:18:21 AM
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This one is so badass, its all 3D no pre-renders and the best part is the new controls. YOU CAN AIM NOW
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Still hasn\'t arrived at my home and shipped a while ago, apparently. Odd.
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Screw that game and its gamecube exclusivity.
Ill be playing Ico (which i bought for 9 bux) soon. :D
Though this game does look incredible.
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I would possibly buy a GC just for this game. It looks really bada$$.
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It is really a top ten favorite game of mine. Its one of those games where you actually feel satisfied when you turn off the game, like youve had enough fun and u want to save it for later.
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I\'ll try not to be too big of a prick: I think it looks incredibly boring, and the graphics do not impress me. Also, I could aim perfectly fine in the original, I doubt very much that anything the GC pad is capable of can possibly be an improvement over a PS pad.
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Hey, if you\'re going to criticize it without playing it.. at least try to get MM to speak for you. He makes a much better case!
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ethugg- the ps2 controller has the absolute worst thumbsticks of the consoles. They\'re so loose and inaccurate compared to the GC\'s which are tight.
And your words hold no credibility until you actually play the game. As much as mm dogs Halo, he at least played it to the end.
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random responses:
-I meant the digital controls, not analog. And PS2\'s sticks are perfect in all situations technically, it\'s just that no RE game was designed for it the way RE4 is designed for the GC pad. But regardless, I meant oldschool digital controls. They worked perfectly already.
-I\'ve played 1,000\'s of games, prejudged every single one. Guess how many I changed my mind about after playing it? One. KOTOR. And my prejudge on that was after playing and not realizing it got better after the beginning. My track record of my prejudgment matching my final verdict is so impossibly perfect that I don\'t need to play anything to know if I will like it.
-mm can feel free to help me out if he agrees. I just wanted to post my opinion on the game since it seems few are willing to speak negatively about it. I don\'t need mm though, and he doesn\'t hold a monopoly on dissenting opinions.
-Halo sucks (and yes, I\'ve played that), so thank you for using that as an example. It only cements my opinion that this is an average game that \'every loves\' but no one has a good example of what makes it better than the hundreds of other games that are as good.
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I guess you (and I for that matter) will just need to play it to find out.
The videos looked very very good.
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havent played it yet
like i said before, im a sucker for RE titles
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Do you even enjoy playing games EThugg? I mean, sure, they give you stuff to rant about on websites, but other than that - do they actually provide entertainment for you?
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Originally posted by EThuggV3
I meant the digital controls, not analog. And PS2\'s sticks are perfect in all situations technically, it\'s just that no RE game was designed for it the way RE4 is designed for the GC pad. But regardless, I meant oldschool digital controls. They worked perfectly already.
Old school digital controls worked perfectly for old school games where there was no need for analog precision in movement/control.
I don\'t know how a game designed for the Gamecube controller wouldn\'t work on the DS2. The Gamecube controller is pretty much a kids version of the PS2 controller. Going from GCN to PS2 is no problem. Going from PS2 to GCN on the other hand is a completely different story,
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I am getting the impression some people want to complain just to show off how much of a hardcore gamer they are.
Personally I ve always been dissapointed with every resident evil that came after Resi2.I sticked with Silent Hill which is a masterpiece.
But I am pretty confident that Resi4 is inded THE RESI.They have improved it in every aspect and not just improve.Also ALTERERD.This is a fresh Resi experience I am sure.
This game recieves great reviews and opinions and when you read these reviews you just know it didnt get above 9 beause its just Resi and its good.NO!Its something more
And since gamers say the same thing I ll stick with this opinion
As for the graphics I simply cant find a game that looks as good as this one in any console.How on earth this game can not impress some is a mystery.Just name me one ame that looks as good.Panzer Dragoon Saga?Ninja Gaiden?Halo2?Dont make me laugh
Detailed textures, superb effects, long distance view unlike Silent Hill3, detailed high polygon models,realistic water effects and great lighting effects.It\'s got everything
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Almost everything... the widescreen is letterboxed so it appears as a tiny window to anyone with a widescreen, progressive display. :evil: But I still love playing it. :eyemouth:
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i will resist...i will wait for the ps2 version...
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Samwise- Very few do. I enjoy discussing them (not just negatively) more than playing most of them, usually. It also has to do with my mood. I\'m bi-polar.
Unicorn- I\'ve been looking dreamily at Elder Scrolls 4 screens and the EA \'mock-ups\' and I\'m in graphics-whore, verge of Xbox 2 launch frenzy. Sorry, NOTHING this gen impresses me. Well... Rallisport 2 and GT4 look good... but otherwise, no. Nothing that involves humans can look as good as I expect at this point. I\'ve already moved on to the next gen in my mind. And the last thing I care about is looking hardcore. I\'m a EA loving, graphics-whore, casual gamer who plays less than 5 hours a week. If even.
clips- I\'m with you. Though I\'ll kiosk it if I get around to it on GC, I\'m waiting for the PS2 before giving it a proper try. I sold my GC awhile ago, and this doesn\'t come close to making me regret my decision.
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Your tastes and self description doesnt justify at all why Resi4 isnt a great game.Actually it prooves that you underestimate it.You just dont care no matter how great it is.Simple as that.
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Originally posted by EThuggV3
Sorry, NOTHING this gen impresses me. Well... Rallisport 2 and GT4 look good
Gran Turismo 4 looks like human monkey sh!t to me. :bounce:
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Sorry, NOTHING this gen impresses me. Well... Rallisport 2 and GT4 look good
Thats just sad. I dont know what your standards are but if you think RE4 looks average at best then you need glasses or a reality check.
I\'ve already moved on to the next gen in my mind.
WTF kind of bullshit is that? In your mind? Give me a break. Must suck to be such a gaming prude.
I\'m a EA loving, graphics-whore, casual gamer who plays less than 5 hours a week. If even.
Explains everything.
Its not worth arguing in this case. We just have very different opinions and ill leave that at that.
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Kid Nicon- That last part would mean something if you hadn\'t said anything else, but you obviously don\'t want to drop it, or you wouldn\'t have resorted to name-calling. I\'m a \'prude\' because I\'ve moved on past and now won\'t settle for what current consoles deliver? That doesn\'t make even a little bit of sense. RE4, which I have seen in motion, is not the best looking game this gen. Not even close. I don\'t know what TV\'s you all have, but I play a lot of my games on my friends HDTV and there\'s plenty of games especially on Xbox that are equal to or better in the graphics department. I need a \'reality\' check because we have different opinions on what looks good? Get a life dude, seriously. I didn\'t even say that the graphics were a reason I\'m not rushing to play it. One of my favorite games this gen is one of the ugliest: Morrowind. The definition of fugly. But you seem to be pretty incapable off accepting that someone else isn\'t getting hard over RE4\'s graphics. Too bad, get over it.
Unicorn- No, nothing in what I just said makes a case for not liking RE4 or it being a bad game, that wasn\'t my intention. I didn\'t say it was a bad game, nor did I say I wouldn\'t try it eventually. I said I don\'t think it\'s deserving of the praise it\'s getting, and my point was that there\'s a lot of games out and coming out that I would rather play that aren\'t getting such (IMO) undeserved hype. I hate hype, it\'s a peeve of mine. Especially when the hyped thing in question falls short in any way (again, IMO). What I was saying to you specifically though was the same as to Mr. Nicon; I\'m just not impressed with the graphics. That\'s a side issue, not the one that has me so down on the game.
I don\'t like the setting of RE4, I don\'t like the idea of crazed villagers, I don\'t like what I\'ve read about the story, and I\'ve heard talk that the puzzle elements have been toned down a bit (feel free to correct me if that\'s wrong; and remember, I\'m comparing it to RE1 on PSX, not the subsequent RE\'s, which I liked much less). Well, since the story and puzzles were what I liked about RE1 (now only for sentimental reasons, the story is pretty lame looking back on it), maybe you can see that the things I\'ll discover with a hands on aren\'t things that could change my mind about a game. I don\'t play games simply for the gameplay. And the gameplay/controls are the only thing I need a hands on to judge.
I\'m open minded completely about a game when it\'s announced, until I see in-game screens. Then I start judging - we all do it, don\'t pretend you don\'t. I\'m judging it after reading nothing but positive reviews/threads about it. How can I not have enough information to have a genuine opinion?
THX- Although Mr. Bouncy leads me to believe you might be joking, I can accept differing opinions. I don\'t care if anyone here (or anywhere) agrees with me, as long as they don\'t bash my perfectly valid opinion.
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Correction to my post then
Your tastes and self description doesnt justify at all why Resi4 doesnt deserve the praise it gets.Actually it prooves that you underestimate it.You just dont care no matter how great it is.Simple as that.
The game as you can see is released.Hype is something that occures as long as the gamers cant get their hands on it.
The fact that you dont like Resi4\'s setting, the idea of crazed villagers(ofcourse if you gave enough attention to the reviews you would have noticed THE OTHER CREATURES), doesnt proove anything.Thats just you.
I for example can tell you that the alterations are a welcome addition.How many same resis do we need?
Also you would have noticed that the reviews say that the story is great.
As for puzzles you dont know until you get your hands on it
Sorry but this game has the best graphics on any console, great gameplay, improved control system, and great sound effects.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Correction to my post then
Your tastes and self description doesnt justify at all why Resi4 doesnt deserve the praise it gets.Actually it prooves that you underestimate it.You just dont care no matter how great it is.Simple as that.
I don\'t think you understand the basic dynamics of \'our own opinions are the only ones that matter when it comes to art and entertainment\'. What you or a million other people like are immediately rendered irrelevant by the fact that I\'m posting MY OPINION. If I think a game is crap for whatever reason, then IMO it doesn\'t deserve the praise it\'s getting. The opinions of others don\'t factor into this in any way.
The game as you can see is released.Hype is something that occures as long as the gamers cant get their hands on it.
Hype can occur anytime. A commercial is hype (usually) and it\'s usually aired after something is on the market. Hype is a bunch of hot air that overstates a product or tries to sell you on it. If you are praising it in a way I don\'t think it deserves, then from my POV you are overhyping it. It doesn\'t matter if it\'s out or you played it.
The fact that you dont like Resi4\'s setting, the idea of crazed villagers(ofcourse if you gave enough attention to the reviews you would have noticed THE OTHER CREATURES), doesnt proove anything.Thats just you.[/B]
That\'s just me? No shit... who did you think I was speaking for? And the other creatures that I\'ve seen/heard about are stupid too. Maybe there are some good ones in there I\'ve failed to hear about.
I for example can tell you that the alterations are a welcome addition.How many same resis do we need?[/B]
I would respectfully disagree. If you want something new, you want a different series. But I would respect your opinion if you\'d return the favor. You don\'t seem to be willing or capable though.
Also you would have noticed that the reviews say that the story is great.
A review could say a dog turd smells nice. And maybe to the reviewer it does. That doesn\'t change my opinion of it. I\'ve read about the story, I think it sounds retarded. I don\'t care if anyone else likes it; I\'m not anyone else, I\'m me.
As for puzzles you dont know until you get your hands on it
...or you could just tell me, and I could keep my hands off til it gets to PS2. Is that some special piece of information that cannot be communicated with words? No, of course it isn\'t, and I shouldn\'t (and don\'t) have to play it to find out. I\'m willing to take varying opinions on the issue to heart and consider them. If you don\'t want to put your 2 cents in, I\'ll have to go with everyone elses view on it. And everyone else says there\'s less. Are the wrong, or right? It\'s not hard to say.
Sorry but this game has the best graphics on any console, great gameplay, improved control system, and great sound effects.
I respect your opinion, but disagree on at least one of those things, and suspect I\'ll disagree with three if I play it. And I\'m sorry if that\'s simply unacceptable to you.
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I have facts for those who think and arguments for those who reason. Before I start, however, I should state that to understand what EThugg\'s particularly incoherent form of absolutism has encompassed as a movement and as a system of rule, we have to look at its historical context and development as a form of saturnine politics that first arose in early twentieth-century Europe in response to rapid social upheaval, the devastation of World War I, and the Bolshevik Revolution. If I understand his wheelings and dealings correctly, then he honestly believes that the most valuable skill one can have is to be able to lie convincingly. What kind of Humpty-Dumpty world is he living in? We should be able to look into our own souls for the answer. If we do, I suspect we\'ll find that I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people. I can therefore assure you that he insists that two wrongs make a right. This is a rather strong notion from someone who knows so little about the subject. On a similar note, EThugg argues that I am feral for wanting to address the continued social injustice shown by the worst kinds of rapacious prima donnas I\'ve ever seen. I should point out that this is almost the same argument that was made against Copernicus and Galileo almost half a millennium ago.
For heaven\'s sake, to say that the few of us who complain regularly about his threats are simply spoiling the party is acrimonious nonsense and untrue to boot. Unfortunately, the English language contains so few words of reprobation and invective that I cannot satisfactorily describe EThugg\'s biased commentaries. At least our language\'s lexicon is sufficiently voluminous for me to explain that EThugg\'s attempts to obstruct things are much worse than mere obscurantism. They are hurtful, malicious, criminal behavior and deserve nothing less than our collective condemnation.
If I had to choose the most snooty specimen from EThugg\'s welter of unconscionable gabble, it would have to be EThugg\'s claim that we should derive moral guidance from his glitzy, multi-culti, hip-hop, consumption-oriented personal attacks. EThugg will probably never understand why he scares me so much. And he certainly does scare me: His plans for the future are scary, his ideals are scary, and most of all, we should listen to others. (Goodness knows, our elected officials aren\'t going to.) He wants us to believe that we can solve all of our problems by giving him lots of money. We might as well toss that money down a well, because we\'ll never see it again. What we will see, however, is that each rung on the ladder of favoritism is a crisis of some kind. Each crisis supplies an excuse for EThugg to provide cover for a militant, malignant agenda. That is the standard process by which bestial, wily boeotians make me the target of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of attacks. Regardless of whether we consider him a lunatic, an evil aggressor, or whatever, EThugg has written volumes about how it\'s perfectly safe to drink and drive. Don\'t believe a word of it, though. The truth is that when I was younger, I wanted to strike at the heart of his efforts to replace discourse and open dialogue with cuckoo modes of thought and blatant ugliness. I still want to do that, but now I realize that there\'s a distinction to be made here. Of that I am certain, because he presents himself as a disinterested classicist lamenting the infusion of politically motivated methods of pedagogy and analysis into higher education. EThugg is eloquent in his denunciation of modern scholarship, claiming it favors the most cold-blooded fomenters of revolution you\'ll ever see. And here we have the ultimate irony, because it has long been obvious to attentive observers that EThugg wants to introduce, cultivate, and encourage moral rot, even though, for most people, this desire is neither necessary nor instinctive. But did you know that EThugg\'s conduct can be described as less than gentlemanly? EThugg doesn\'t want you to know that, because if he thinks that he can make me turn to a life of crime, then he\'s barking up the wrong tree. Sure, we could just sit back and let EThugg encourage the acceptance of scapegoating and demonization, but that prospect really grates on people who have any kind of common sense.
The dominant characteristic of his arguments is not that they make people suspicious of those who speak the truth, but that, in the bargain, they do the devil\'s work. I realize that pessimism is a tremendous problem in our society, but does it constantly have to be thrown in our faces? To ask that question another way, why can\'t he relieve his aching sense of inadequacy without having to biologically or psychologically engineer distasteful, obtuse soporific-types to make them even more self-aggrandizing than they already are? The only clear answer to emerge from the conflicting, contradictory stances that he and his forces take is that I, hardheaded cynic that I am, want to speak in the strongest possible terms against his harangues. He oppresses his critics by crushing them, expelling them, pauperizing them, and cutting them off from families and friends. Whatever weight we accord to that fact, we may be confident that if there\'s an untold story here, it\'s that I want to make this clear, so that those who do not understand deeper messages embedded within sarcastic irony -- and you know who I\'m referring to -- can process my point.
Particularly telling is the way that EThugg has been deluding people into believing that hanging out with what I call avaricious, sordid pip-squeaks is a wonderful, culturally enriching experience. Don\'t let him delude you, too. Perhaps it sounds like stating the obvious to say that he wants to make bargains with the devil. You know what groups have historically wanted to do the same thing? Fascists and Nazis.
One of the great mysteries of modern life is, What is EThugg\'s secret agenda? Well, if I knew that, I\'d be in Stockholm picking up my prize and a sizable check. I must emphasize this because telling the truth is too much trouble for crapulous deadheads bent on getting their way. In view of that, it is not surprising that EThugg finds reality too difficult to swallow. Or maybe it just gets lost between the sports and entertainment pages. In either case, EThugg managed to convince a bunch of raucous stool pigeons to help him incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately. What was the quid pro quo there? That\'s the question that perplexes me the most, because if you think that this is humorous or exaggerated, you\'re wrong. For the time being, this is not a major issue, so to speak. It has been proven time and time again that when I\'m through with EThugg, he\'ll think twice before attempting to bring ugliness and nastiness into our lives.
His gofers\' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be. If we look beyond EThugg\'s delusions of grandeur, we see that his blind faith in militarism leads him only to corruption. So let him call me scornful. I call him disorganized. One wonders how EThugg can complain about high-handed weirdos, given that his own theories also aim to call for ritualistic invocations of needlessly formal rules. His claim that newspapers should report only on items he agrees with is not only an attack on the concept of objectivity, but an assault on the human mind. Given what I know about resentful nincompoops, I can say with confidence that he is a pretty good liar most of the time. However, he tells so many lies, he\'s bound to trip himself up someday. Now that I think about it, EThugg dreams of a time when he\'ll be free to bombard us with an endless array of hate literature. That\'s the way he\'s planned it, and that\'s the way it\'ll happen -- not may happen, but will happen -- if we don\'t interfere, if we don\'t tell you things that he doesn\'t want you to know.
He receives most of his knowledge from "Authoritarianism for Dummies". More than that, his snow jobs promote a redistribution of wealth. This is always an appealing proposition for EThugg\'s comrades because much of the redistributed wealth will undoubtedly end up in the hands of the redistributors as a condign reward for their loyalty to EThugg. In contrast, his grievances are merely a stalking horse. They mask EThugg\'s secret intention to undermine everyone\'s capacity to see, or change, the world as a whole. Not to be rude or anything, but if I may be so bold, it\'s a pity that two thousand years after Christ, the voices of lazy misfits like EThugg can still be heard, worse still that they\'re listened to, and worst of all that anyone believes them.
EThugg\'s objective is clear: to stand in the way of progress sooner than you think. Look at it from my point of view: I recently heard EThugg tell a bunch of people that human beings should be appraised by the number of things and the amount of money they possess instead of by their internal value and achievements. I can\'t adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don\'t know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. His schemes have caused widespread social alienation, and from this alienation a thousand social pathologies have sprung. To recap the main points made in this letter: 1) EThugg minces to the twang of a different zither, 2) his attitudes have a devastating effect on the poor, the sick, and the elderly, and 3) he continuously seeks adulation from his disciples.
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Lol...
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Originally posted by EThuggV3
I don\'t think you understand the basic dynamics of \'our own opinions are the only ones that matter when it comes to art and entertainment\'. What you or a million other people like are immediately rendered irrelevant by the fact that I\'m posting MY OPINION. If I think a game is crap for whatever reason, then IMO it doesn\'t deserve the praise it\'s getting. The opinions of others don\'t factor into this in any way.
You have noticed that when we are waiting for opinions we are waiting for opinions that atleast HAVE SOMETHING VALID.
You described personal tastes to why the game isnt as good.
We, if you have noticed care about spherical opinion.
When someone comes out of nowhere and sais "its not good because I say so and thats my opinion WHICH IS VALID AND YOURS NOT" then dont expect others to take you seriously
You didnt say anything that has to do with the artistic values of the game anyways.
Hype can occur anytime. A commercial is hype (usually) and it\'s usually aired after something is on the market. Hype is a bunch of hot air that overstates a product or tries to sell you on it. If you are praising it in a way I don\'t think it deserves, then from my POV you are overhyping it. It doesn\'t matter if it\'s out or you played it.
Are you implying that IGN and Gamespot are paid to sell us faked reviews?Or even the gamer who has playied the game?Or even the gamers that play the game?
No!Really how many of us have actually seen these "oh godly" commercial?None?Good.
I personally havent seen a single commercial and almost never read any previews of the game.
That\'s just me? No shit... who did you think I was speaking for? And the other creatures that I\'ve seen/heard about are stupid too. Maybe there are some good ones in there I\'ve failed to hear about.
No shit you actually noticed that your opinions have no proof of validity
I would respectfully disagree. If you want something new, you want a different series. But I would respect your opinion if you\'d return the favor. You don\'t seem to be willing or capable though.
That means rehashes are a good thing as long as you like a series?Resi4 could be an example that many developers should follow when they make a sequel.
Dont we all want a sequel that offers something more than rehashes and old ideas executed the same way and used all over again?
A review could say a dog turd smells nice. And maybe to the reviewer it does. That doesn\'t change my opinion of it. I\'ve read about the story, I think it sounds retarded. I don\'t care if anyone else likes it; I\'m not anyone else, I\'m me.
Someone who has only seen chocolate for the first time might say that it tastes like shit and smells like shit because its brown before he even tries it too
...or you could just tell me, and I could keep my hands off til it gets to PS2. Is that some special piece of information that cannot be communicated with words? No, of course it isn\'t, and I shouldn\'t (and don\'t) have to play it to find out. I\'m willing to take varying opinions on the issue to heart and consider them. If you don\'t want to put your 2 cents in, I\'ll have to go with everyone elses view on it. And everyone else says there\'s less. Are the wrong, or right? It\'s not hard to say.
Is the possibility of a bit weaker or less puzzles an issue that could make resi4 an overrated title?No
I respect your opinion, but disagree on at least one of those things, and suspect I\'ll disagree with three if I play it. And I\'m sorry if that\'s simply unacceptable to you.
You can not be so absolute againts a title you havent playied yet that still gets so much praise even before its release.
Because it has ome things that dont satisfy some of your personal tastes it doesnt mean that the game is overrated.
You can argue about what you expected and what you got instead, you can tell us your dissapointment but telling people that the game that has the potential to be loved and praised isnt as good, because of your perosnal tastes only, is just not right
I for example enjoy Burnout3 a billion times more than GT3.Yet I would never refer to GT3 as a worse game just based on the fact that the things it offers arent satisfying my personal style and liking.
Despite that, I know that the game is a superb simulation game that is doing an incredibly fine job at satisfying other peoples expectations, liking and style.I even argued with LIC about GT3 when he said it sucked despite that, like him, I am not enjoying it much
I can tell others what I personally want to see and how much I dislike this or that about GT3(or any game) but this doesnt give me the right to refer to it as an overrated hyped game while it satisfies other people
I hope you see the difference
Its the way you approached it that mostly makes me argue with you and not the opinion
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THX- u is krazy, g
Originally posted by Unicron!
You have noticed that when we are waiting for opinions we are waiting for opinions that atleast HAVE SOMETHING VALID.
For an opinion to be valid, it needs only to exist. There\'s no such thing as an invalid opinion, even if it\'s based on outright lies (as opposed to my opinion being based on praise-filled reviews and impressions, as I\'ve said).
You described personal tastes to why the game isnt as good.
We, if you have noticed care about spherical opinion.
When someone comes out of nowhere and sais "its not good because I say so and thats my opinion WHICH IS VALID AND YOURS NOT" then dont expect others to take you seriously
No where did I say anyone elses opinion of the game was invalid. I said it didn\'t deserve the hype, and it clearly went without saying that it was my opinion and not some statement to some universal quality scale that doesn\'t exist.
You didnt say anything that has to do with the artistic values of the game anyways.
The characters, enemies, story and setting aren\'t related to the artistic qualities of the game? ....you\'ve lost me on this one.
Are you implying that IGN and Gamespot are paid to sell us faked reviews?Or even the gamer who has playied the game?Or even the gamers that play the game?
No, although it\'s a fact that such things have happened with the media before (search Google for "Driv3r review scandal" or some variation). Companies pay for good reviews, if not directly, then with gifts, free swag, all expense paid trips, parties, etc. It\'s a pretty well known practice within the higher up gaming media. I don\'t doubt for a second IGN particularly have been persuaded to give good reviews before. But even if it\'s a completely honest review, as in it\'s the reviewers honest opinion, that doesn\'t for a second mean that there\'s no hyping involved.
No!Really how many of us have actually seen these "oh godly" commercial?None?Good.
I personally havent seen a single commercial and almost never read any previews of the game.
Are you talking about RE4 or hype? Because I was speaking in general about hype, and there are lots of videogame commercials. If you\'re talking about RE4 and you haven\'t seen previews of it, you must not read much... they were everywhere.
No shit you actually noticed that your opinions have no proof of validity
Facts need proof. Opinions don\'t. Do you know what the **** an opinion is? And My opinions are as valid as any opinion in history. And I was being fair to RE4, admitting there might be some cool enemies I haven\'t seen; that by no means invalidates anything. I have seen and read about a LOT of the enemies, and they all suck IMO. Even if every remaining one was ****ing awesome, it would at best even the balance out to average (IMO). The rest of the enemies couldn\'t possibly be so awesome I\'m going to jump up and say \'Well, this sure made the other ****tard enemies worth trudging through, cause this guy is awesome!\'
That means rehashes are a good thing as long as you like a series?
Yes, always.
Resi4 could be an example that many developers should follow when they make a sequel.
I would hope not.
Dont we all want a sequel that offers something more than rehashes and old ideas executed the same way and used all over again?
Not me, so no, \'we all\' don\'t. Maybe most do, I don\'t know. I won\'t pretend to speak for anyone but myself. If you liked the formula once, there\'s no reason to change it. If you had problems with it, the series isn\'t for you. Move on. That\'s my view on it, always has been. I hate the Tomb Raider sequels for exactly that, people bitch they\'re just rehashes, so EIDOS tried to change it up each time, in the process taking the things I liked out of the series, and adding shit I hated to appease the \'we want a fresh experience\' crowd. That was a pretty big failure, it alienated the true fans, while not managing to get new people interested. Obviously RE4 isn\'t recieving the same reception as the last TR, but I feel exactly the same about both series\'. They were ruined by trying to please non-fans more and more with each game until my interest in the series died.
Someone who has only seen chocolate for the first time might say that it tastes like shit and smells like shit because its brown before he even tries it too
Okay...
Is the possibility of a bit weaker or less puzzles an issue that could make resi4 an overrated title?No
I thought you could respect other peoples opinions. Because it is my opinion that yes, with the current level of praise RE4 is getting, if the puzzle thing is true, it is a huge factor. I can respect that puzzles maybe don\'t matter to you, and you agree with the level of hype. You aren\'t returning such respect.
You can not be so absolute againts a title you havent playied yet that still gets so much praise even before its release.
I have done this in the past. Need I remind you what I said? One time, in my entire game playing life, was I wrong. One. And by wrong, I mean my opinion changed. I can be so against it without playing it first, and moreover, I can and likely will feel the same after trying it, if history is any indication.
Because it has ome things that dont satisfy some of your personal tastes it doesnt mean that the game is overrated.
Overrated is a matter of opinion, just like underrated. And overhyped and underhyped. Sleeper hit. Cult classic. These are all subjective things. If you thought I mean that there is some universal scale of how much hype RE4 deserves, then yes, you\'re right, my opinion of the game is not sufficiant proof it\'s overrated. But if you took it that way, you were misunderstanding me. Nothing more, nothing less. It is my opinion that RE4 deserves less hype and praise. It\'s an opinion, my opinion. It needs no consensus, agreement, validation, or anything else.
You can argue about what you expected and what you got instead, you can tell us your dissapointment but telling people that the game that has the potential to be loved and praised isnt as good, because of your perosnal tastes only, is just not right
The problem for you is, it IS right. It\'s my opinion, there is no difference between me stating my dissapointment, and stating my opinion that it isn\'t as good as the praise indicates. They are both my opinion, and both are saying just about the same thing in this case. What I\'m getting from your post here is that you are a \'the majority is right\' kinda guy. The praise from most people is at a certain level, and therefore it deserves to be at that level. Do you check GameRankings.com everyday to find out what you\'re allowed to like? Because your post here refuting my God given right to opine on the hype surrounding RE4 leads me to believe you might.
I for example enjoy Burnout3 a billion times more than GT3.Yet I would never refer to GT3 as a worse game just based on the fact that the things it offers arent satisfying my personal style and liking.
Despite that, I know that the game is a superb simulation game that is doing an incredibly fine job at satisfying other peoples expectations, liking and style.I even argued with LIC about GT3 when he said it sucked despite that, like him, I am not enjoying it much
I didn\'t call RE4 the worst game. That point is shot down for the simple fact that I never said that, you can\'t act like I did, because nowhere did I do anything except state my opinion. And I can recognize plenty of good aspects about RE4, but that by no means, means I have to agree to the extent of your opinion on the quality (for example, I said I can think of lots of games that look as good as RE4. Others claim RE4 is the best. Reread that. Nowhere does that say RE4\'s graphics suck. Nowhere. I disagree that they are the best, and I personally am not in awe of them, that does NOT mean I don\'t recognize they are good, for the time being.), and it also does not mean I should be compelled to point out the positive things I think about the game. First, I\'m a negative person in general, and second, the reason I posted was because I wanted to put my opinion out there to in some small way counteract the non-stop praise. So why, knowing my reason for posting, would you think I\'d state anything positive about the game? Just because I don\'t comment on it doesn\'t make me blind to it. If everyone was dissing RE4, I might feel compelled to do the opposite; state what I think is good while not stating what I think sucks. But that is not the case.
I can tell others what I personally want to see and how much I dislike this or that about GT3(or any game) but this doesnt give me the right to refer to it as an overrated hyped game while it satisfies other people
You don\'t have to exercise that right, but it IS your right to call GT3 whatever you want. Did it ever cross your mind to think about what overhyped means? And further, to reflect on the fact that a game can both satisfy many, many people while still being overhyped? A overhyped game can be good. It can be average. It can be shite. The only thing over hyped means is that the person saying it feels it got more hype than it deserved. Nothing more nothing less.
I hope you see the difference
Sorry, I don\'t. Both are opinions, to be stated or not, by every person living in a free country who wishes to do so.
Its the way you approached it that mostly makes me argue with you and not the opinion
I\'m not sure what \'way\' you mean, as all I\'ve done is state my opinion from the start. I can see now what an aversion you have to the word \'overhyped\', but that seems, to be blunt with no ill intention if I may, to be your problem.
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All this and you haven\'t even played it yet.
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Originally posted by EThuggV3
For an opinion to be valid, it needs only to exist. There\'s no such thing as an invalid opinion, even if it\'s based on outright lies (as opposed to my opinion being based on praise-filled reviews and impressions, as I\'ve said).
You are gay.My opinion is valid.I can say whatever I want right?
No where did I say anyone elses opinion of the game was invalid. I said it didn\'t deserve the hype, and it clearly went without saying that it was my opinion and not some statement to some universal quality scale that doesn\'t exist.
Since I believe that there are invalid and valid views when you say yours is valid which contradicts other people\'s views the conclusion is that you are saying that they are wrong.
The characters, enemies, story and setting aren\'t related to the artistic qualities of the game? ....you\'ve lost me on this one.
I dont like the monsters, I dont like the story, I dont like the characters.Hey I dont like Mona Lisa either.It sucks.I dont need to explain why.I am an artist and you are not.Right?
No, although it\'s a fact that such things have happened with the media before (search Google for "Driv3r review scandal" or some variation). Companies pay for good reviews, if not directly, then with gifts, free swag, all expense paid trips, parties, etc. It\'s a pretty well known practice within the higher up gaming media. I don\'t doubt for a second IGN particularly have been persuaded to give good reviews before. But even if it\'s a completely honest review, as in it\'s the reviewers honest opinion, that doesn\'t for a second mean that there\'s no hyping involved.
Tell me how many people who have bought the game have actually been to those trips parties or whatever?Actually tell me how many Resi parties, tours etc you know that Capcom has arranged in such a degree that will make a gamer believe that his game is better than its even after he plays it.
As for the Driver review its obvious since the gamers were dissapointed greatly with it when they got it.
There is something that nobody can deny.Gamers\' opinions
Are you talking about RE4 or hype? Because I was speaking in general about hype, and there are lots of videogame commercials. If you\'re talking about RE4 and you haven\'t seen previews of it, you must not read much... they were everywhere.
Thats the point.I cant deny that hype is something that occures.But generally speaking it doesnt necessarilly mean it happens with Resi4 in such a degree that the game is overrated.
Facts need proof. Opinions don\'t. Do you know what the **** an opinion is? And My opinions are as valid as any opinion in history. And I was being fair to RE4, admitting there might be some cool enemies I haven\'t seen; that by no means invalidates anything. I have seen and read about a LOT of the enemies, and they all suck IMO. Even if every remaining one was ****ing awesome, it would at best even the balance out to average (IMO). The rest of the enemies couldn\'t possibly be so awesome I\'m going to jump up and say \'Well, this sure made the other ****tard enemies worth trudging through, cause this guy is awesome!\'
Yeah but whan you use your opinion to convince that the game is overrated others that believe its not its plain stupid.As I said you can tell us what you like or not and why you are dissapointed.But you didnt tell why its overrated.You said what you dont like not based on what\'s wrong with the game but on your tastes as something that should be an indications that its overrated.
Personal tastes and objective judgment dont go together
Yes, always.
I hope you realise that Resident Evil and many other games were hated because of that depsite that people still bought the,
I would hope not.
See above
Not me, so no, \'we all\' don\'t. Maybe most do, I don\'t know. I won\'t pretend to speak for anyone but myself. If you liked the formula once, there\'s no reason to change it. If you had problems with it, the series isn\'t for you. Move on. That\'s my view on it, always has been. I hate the Tomb Raider sequels for exactly that, people bitch they\'re just rehashes, so EIDOS tried to change it up each time, in the process taking the things I liked out of the series, and adding shit I hated to appease the \'we want a fresh experience\' crowd. That was a pretty big failure, it alienated the true fans, while not managing to get new people interested. Obviously RE4 isn\'t recieving the same reception as the last TR, but I feel exactly the same about both series\'. They were ruined by trying to please non-fans more and more with each game until my interest in the series died.
Well yeah?Tomb Raider was bound to die anyways.People complained even with the first REHASHED sequel.
I thought you could respect other peoples opinions. Because it is my opinion that yes, with the current level of praise RE4 is getting, if the puzzle thing is true, it is a huge factor. I can respect that puzzles maybe don\'t matter to you, and you agree with the level of hype. You aren\'t returning such respect.
I love puzzles as well.And they do matter.As long as they have some level of difficulty.But what I wanted to say is that the game could offer so much in other aspects that some slight difference in the puzzle aspect doesnt affect the game.Puzzles werent the major ingredient of the series.It was one of the many.
I have done this in the past. Need I remind you what I said? One time, in my entire game playing life, was I wrong. One. And by wrong, I mean my opinion changed. I can be so against it without playing it first, and moreover, I can and likely will feel the same after trying it, if history is any indication.
I accept that you may play the game and as a final result you would be dissapointed.But its not always the fact that the game lacks.Sometimes its the fact that you belong to the minority of gamers that doesnt fit your style.Thats my point
Overrated is a matter of opinion, just like underrated. And overhyped and underhyped. Sleeper hit. Cult classic. These are all subjective things. If you thought I mean that there is some universal scale of how much hype RE4 deserves, then yes, you\'re right, my opinion of the game is not sufficiant proof it\'s overrated. But if you took it that way, you were misunderstanding me. Nothing more, nothing less. It is my opinion that RE4 deserves less hype and praise. It\'s an opinion, my opinion. It needs no consensus, agreement, validation, or anything else.
Well yeah probably I misunderstood the way you stated it
The problem for you is, it IS right. It\'s my opinion, there is no difference between me stating my dissapointment, and stating my opinion that it isn\'t as good as the praise indicates. They are both my opinion, and both are saying just about the same thing in this case. What I\'m getting from your post here is that you are a \'the majority is right\' kinda guy. The praise from most people is at a certain level, and therefore it deserves to be at that level. Do you check GameRankings.com everyday to find out what you\'re allowed to like? Because your post here refuting my God given right to opine on the hype surrounding RE4 leads me to believe you might.
Not exactly the majority.You judge it according to aesthetics and aesthetics arent a good indication of how good a game is.When the game gameplay plays well, sounds good, looks good, controls well and it shows all the great work and effort that was put into it then the game deserves its credit.
Thats why I brought up GT3.When it comes to aesthetics I may not like it.I even get bored with it.But it certaintly offers the aesthetics others adore.And thats the kind of people it is directed at.
I could have mentioned ICO instead.A game that sold less.
I didn\'t call RE4 the worst game. That point is shot down for the simple fact that I never said that, you can\'t act like I did, because nowhere did I do anything except state my opinion. And I can recognize plenty of good aspects about RE4, but that by no means, means I have to agree to the extent of your opinion on the quality (for example, I said I can think of lots of games that look as good as RE4. Others claim RE4 is the best. Reread that. Nowhere does that say RE4\'s graphics suck. Nowhere. I disagree that they are the best, and I personally am not in awe of them, that does NOT mean I don\'t recognize they are good, for the time being.), and it also does not mean I should be compelled to point out the positive things I think about the game. First, I\'m a negative person in general, and second, the reason I posted was because I wanted to put my opinion out there to in some small way counteract the non-stop praise. So why, knowing my reason for posting, would you think I\'d state anything positive about the game? Just because I don\'t comment on it doesn\'t make me blind to it. If everyone was dissing RE4, I might feel compelled to do the opposite; state what I think is good while not stating what I think sucks. But that is not the case.
I wasnt implying that you ment that Resi4 is the worst game.I mentioned: me and LIC.An extreme case of two people who both dont enjoy GT3 much.Its the difference of approach that I was refering to.So all this paragraph you wrote actually wasnt needed
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You don\'t have to exercise that right, but it IS your right to call GT3 whatever you want. Did it ever cross your mind to think about what overhyped means? And further, to reflect on the fact that a game can both satisfy many, many people while still being overhyped? A overhyped game can be good. It can be average. It can be shite. The only thing over hyped means is that the person saying it feels it got more hype than it deserved. Nothing more nothing less.
There is something called respect and spherical opinion.They are virtues and should be excerised
Sorry, I don\'t. Both are opinions, to be stated or not, by every person living in a free country who wishes to do so.
See above
I\'m not sure what \'way\' you mean, as all I\'ve done is state my opinion from the start. I can see now what an aversion you have to the word \'overhyped\', but that seems, to be blunt with no ill intention if I may, to be your problem.
See above above
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Kid Nicon- That last part would mean something if you hadn\'t said anything else, but you obviously don\'t want to drop it, or you wouldn\'t have resorted to name-calling. I\'m a \'prude\' because I\'ve moved on past and now won\'t settle for what current consoles deliver? That doesn\'t make even a little bit of sense. RE4, which I have seen in motion, is not the best looking game this gen. Not even close. I don\'t know what TV\'s you all have, but I play a lot of my games on my friends HDTV and there\'s plenty of games especially on Xbox that are equal to or better in the graphics department. I need a \'reality\' check because we have different opinions on what looks good? Get a life dude, seriously. I didn\'t even say that the graphics were a reason I\'m not rushing to play it. One of my favorite games this gen is one of the ugliest: Morrowind. The definition of fugly. But you seem to be pretty incapable off accepting that someone else isn\'t getting hard over RE4\'s graphics. Too bad, get over it.
Yeah. Kid. Right.
Its funny how 7 sentences can produce all of this. I called you a prude and that automatically suggests that I intended to nudge you into some sort of silly debate over something so trivial? You say im jumping to conclusions yet cant help but do it yourself. It is true that RE4 may not be the best looking game this gen, but you can at least acknowledge that it looks decent.
Saying that you\'ve moved on in your mind just sounds silly. Maybe that makes sense to you, but when we havent even gotten to that (next)stage in reality, its just somewhat pointless. Its like somebody saying they wont buy new cars because they dont like the styling. They\'ve moved on (to the future) and will take public transit until their vision is achieved/reached w/e. Of course thats a little far fetched but it gets my point across.
We could go into all kinds of things "attemting" to prove the other to be making silly statements but like i said before, its not really worth it. Of course by making such a lengthy argument, it doesnt really help, but if you didnt read what little i did say well enough, I said that we have DIFFERENT OPINIONS. So stop typing all this unnecessary stuff trying to justify what youre saying when you basically stated the same thing i already said.
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God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.
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Woohoo, it\'s been a long time since we\'ve had some real debating going on here. :D
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Originally posted by Halberto
God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.
thats what happens when someone chops your post and tries to make an issue of insignifigant things
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Yeah. Kid. Right.
:D
Its funny how 7 sentences can produce all of this. I called you a prude and that automatically suggests that I intended to nudge you into some sort of silly debate over something so trivial? You say im jumping to conclusions yet cant help but do it yourself. It is true that RE4 may not be the best looking game this gen, but you can at least acknowledge that it looks decent. [/B]
If it was trivial, why say anything at all? And I did acknowledge it looks decent. Average is decent. Nowhere did I say it was ugly, or anything of the like.
Saying that you\'ve moved on in your mind just sounds silly. Maybe that makes sense to you, but when we havent even gotten to that (next)stage in reality, its just somewhat pointless. Its like somebody saying they wont buy new cars because they dont like the styling. They\'ve moved on (to the future) and will take public transit until their vision is achieved/reached w/e. Of course thats a little far fetched but it gets my point across.[/B]
But as I said, I\'ve been gazing dreamily at the mock-ups of Xbox 2 games... which I\'m sure you realize will be here very soon. I can go a year without much gaming, I don\'t see the sillyness in waiting for Burnout 4 and Elder Scrolls Oblivion. And w/e else awaits.
We could go into all kinds of things "attemting" to prove the other to be making silly statements but like i said before, its not really worth it. Of course by making such a lengthy argument, it doesnt really help, but if you didnt read what little i did say well enough, I said that we have DIFFERENT OPINIONS. So stop typing all this unnecessary stuff trying to justify what youre saying when you basically stated the same thing i already said. [/B]
Well said.
Originally posted by Halberto
God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.
Well... umm... you can talk about RE4 again if you want. I\'m sorry... :(
Originally posted by Unicron!
thats what happens when someone chops your post and tries to make an issue of insignifigant things
You\'re the one who couldn\'t leave my opinion well enough alone, don\'t try to back out and pretend I dragged you into kicking and screaming into a discussion. I\'m always quite happy to have my posts stand unopposed. I\'m taking it you don\'t want me to respond to your other posts then? I will or won\'t based on your reply to this.
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You are free to argue but God!Dont chop my post and write a paragraph for each sentence I write.I mean I ve got oher things to do too :nerd:
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Well... back to the game. People who are beating say it\'s taking them just over 20 hours. I only played it 6-7 so far but it feels like it\'s been forever!
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I will then respond in order of your previous posts, Unicorn, with few quotes. I pray this doesn\'t confuse anything.
I am gay? If you truely think I am, sure, your opinion is valid. You can say that. You must understand however, that I either am gay, or I am not gay. Only one of those can be true. RE4 being good or bad is forever an opinion, it cannot factually good or bad.
I am saying that others opinions are \'wrong\' only in my view, from my perspective, in my opinion. Not in some universal sense that is absolute.
I wouldn\'t call myself an artist, but those are all valid opinions. And you only need explain if you want to explain. You don\'t owe me any explaination.
I don\'t work for any game sites anymore, and I\'m not a Capcom employee. I was speaking in generalities about the indistry as a whole. And people can buy a game and remain overly optimistic about the quality after playing it because of plenty of reasons. Not willing to go against popular opinion, not wanting to feel like they\'d wasted money, simply having low standards. I\'m not accusing anyone of these things, but they are certainly possible. Yes, I agree that the Driv3r scheme was apparent because it ended up being shite, but you aren\'t arguing that a company couldn\'t possibly pay off/bribe reviewers to ensure good reviews even if the game is good, for the sake of not taking chances, are you? I mean, plenty of good games get passed over by the gaming media, and Capcom has a lot riding on RE4 financially. It\'s not hard to believe they have so much riding on it that they would grease a few wheels to ensure it gets all the praise they want it to. I\'m not accusing Capcom specifically of doing this with RE4, just saying that it\'s both possible, and similar things have happened before.
"There is something that nobody can deny. Gamers\' opinions." I wouldn\'t deny their opinions. That wasn\'t my goal.
Overrated is simply my opinion of RE4. I don\'t ask that you agree. Obviously you like RE4, more than I ever could, so it stands to reason you think the hype level is about right. You could however see that if you weren\'t keen on RE4, how you might feel it was overrated as well, right?
I don\'t think the game sounds fun, as a game, and what I find fun is based on my tastes (as it is with everyone). How else can I tell you why I think it\'s overrated? I don\'t think it sounds fun, but it\'s being touted as one of the best games this gen. If there\'s another way to explain or defend my opinion that I think its overrated, I don\'t know what it is. How else would you \'prove\' something over (or under) rated if not by your opinion of what\'s fun/worthwhile?
"Personal tastes and objective judgment dont go together" This is a game. There is no such thing as objective judgment. It\'s ALL opinion, at every step of the way.
I realize some people hated RE and other games for rehashing. I don\'t really care about those ppl, they did nothing but prove they were fans of a new experience and not the game itself. If you enjoyed the game, it doesn\'t need to change, I\'ll stand by that. Does your favorite foods go from great to shite over time because they didn\'t evolve? No. They are great the way they are. A book, a movie, a game... you liked what it was or you don\'t. If someone hated RE for rehashing (I\'d argue they continuously got more action oriented and changed too much from RE1, but we wont get into that), they should have stopped buying them and moved on. I\'m upset about RE4 as a fan of the original. If I never liked any RE before, I would have no business caring or really complaining at all. If this game was called Resident Evil: Whatever and was an offshoot, I probably wouldn\'t care, but it\'s a main RE game. It\'s canon. And I don\'t think it belongs or fits.
Really... if they didn\'t like the games, they shouldn\'t have bought them. I would be happy with 100 KOTOR sequels that changed only in their story and graphics engine. That\'s what it means to actually be a fan of something. If people want the franchise name and nothing else the same, they aren\'t fans.
Tomb Raider 2 got good reviews... and if TR2-5 were more like the original, I\'d be happy. The 4th one took the series back to its roots, and is my second favorite. The others all tried to be different, and I wasn\'t too happy with them.
I would argue puzzles were at least half of the original RE, and that remains my favorite game in the series. RE4 might offer other things, but they are mostly things I don\'t want.
I understand what you\'re saying about it not \'lacking\' and that it simply might not fit my style. I don\'t deny either thing, it is in fact these things that are the basis for my opinion that the game is overrated. As in, others opinions of the game are higher than my opinion and I can\'t really understand what they see in it. That doesn\'t mean I don\'t respect their opinion. I just disagree, vocally.
"Well yeah probably I misunderstood the way you stated it." I think so too. :) I hope after all this you understand what I was saying better.
"Not exactly the majority.You judge it according to aesthetics and aesthetics arent a good indication of how good a game is.When the game gameplay plays well, sounds good, looks good, controls well and it shows all the great work and effort that was put into it then the game deserves its credit."
I chose to quote the whole reply here, because I think this goes to the core of why I play videogames. I play to be immersed in worlds, solve puzzles, hear/interact with a great story. Asthetics are one of the most important aspects of a game to me. I will suffer a bad control scheme for a good story and asthetics. I won\'t suffer a bad story or asthetics for good controls. By controls I mean both actual controls and gameplay. Sound is important too. Also, while I may recognize specific aspects of a game being good, if I\'m put off by the popular opinion or the majority of the game, I do not feel compelled to voice my recognition of the positive. Honestly, if everyone posted positive things and about things they liked only, I would find forums very boring.
I don\'t see the difference in approach really between us and the GT3 scenerio, except that you were unwilling to use the word overrated and I was...
I respect others opinions only so long as they respect mine. I\'m not familiar with this concept of spherical opinion you keep referring too. I looked it up and got a total of 8 pages on Google that even used the phrase, none defining it. Care to elaborate? I get the sense that it in somewhat means an opinion is more valid the more it is in line with the majorities opinion. If that\'s the case, I whole-heartedly disagree with this concept.
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Originally posted by Halberto
God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.
I concur.
I\'m started to read some of it then get bored after I ponder where the hell that argument or claim came from. In Ethugg\'s reply I think there was a 500 word essay on killing retarded children somewhere in between legalizing heroin and undermining
the capabilities of weather channels by dialing in fake snow storms currently in progress.
Crazy.
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Killing retarded children..
Now that was a classic controversy back in the day. :D
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EThuggV3...Unicron!
Please stop quote\'n each other like there is no tommorow.
You know ...some of us want read all of this thread BEFORE we retire ;).
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Hey I stopped quoting since...like what?A week ago?:p
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Resident Evil 4 is a fun game.
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Originally posted by Luke
Resident Evil 4 is a fun game.
ban.
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lol.....this is a funny thread
I probably wouldve read the other 3/4 of this thread if every post didnt take up about 3 screens, thats just was too much talking and arguing for one post. You all probably could have summed all of that up to maybe one paragaph.......
and so many randomn things like Blade and his sudden bursts....lol
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\'Nuff said.
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Well I just finished the game, and I must say I am satisfied. I absolutley loved this game. The only part of the game I may have been a little dissapointed with was the final battle, I thought it was a little too easy, but fun nonetheless. I finished the game in 30 hours but thats high because I left the game on overnight sometimes. I killed 1100 something people and had a 64 hit percentage. You get two cool mini games after beating it and a couple of new options for the merchant incase you plan on replaying the game.
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I\'ve only played about 2 hours of RE4, i\'m kinda at the whim of my neighbor who has the game.. as I do not. I\'m extremely impressed with it so far, I just wish I could strafe at times.
Guess i\'m spoiled with my keyboard and mouse control :)
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just got this game for christmas...yo, this is how resident evil is supposed to be played!..:fro:...i never played the gc version, but capcom did their thing on the ps2....trust..i\'m about 18 hours into it, and it\'s absolutely fantastic!...the ps2 is handling the graphics and 3d environments with no problem...heh and i thought that this game couldn\'t be done on tha ps2...just goes to show what talented programmers can do when they really work hard and use all of their resources. for those that haven\'t played the gc version, you gotta pick this one up....
And LIC, i\'m suprised you weren\'t that impressed with this one...this is by far the greatest resident evil ever made...well in my opinion of course...i never played the resident evil remake, but this game here?...much fun to be had..:fro:
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Its so good, I\'ll get the PS2 version just for the few extras...
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clips...
What part are you p to?
Is this your first run?
Pretty challenging, eh?
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If you have a GCN, get the RE1 remake. It\'s easily no.1 or no.2 in the series, up there with RE4.
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Originally posted by Ashford
clips...
What part are you p to?
Is this your first run?
Pretty challenging, eh?
i just passed the part where you fight 2 of those giant brute lookin\' things in some sort of heated boiler room...heh heh and yea it can be frustrating at times...but in a GOOD way might i add!.....i absolutely luved the part earlier in the game where you and luis and ashley are trapped in that abandoned house and those savages are comin thru all of the windows! *even if you block the windows with dressers* ..:fro:...heh that was some real night of the living dead type s**t...it\'s my first run through and i honestly didn\'t think i\'d be clockin\' 18 hrs on a res evil game. Capcom redeemed themselves with this title....
i\'m lookin forward to playin\' this game thru again as ada. supposedly you will go through the same exact locations as leon..which is good since it\'s not just set up as some small mini game..(from what i understand it seems like it\'s a full length game)...and i\'m assuming it will give you some info on ada\'s backstory...(res evil 2)
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If you\'re talking about Assignment: Ada, then you only play through the Island, which you\'re not even up to yet.
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One of the best things about RE 4 is the game length. I kept expecting Disc 1 to end (on GC) and it just kept going and going. When I finally reached Disc 2, I thought it would be lame like REMake and be just the final area but Capcom blew me away by how much content was put into Disc 2.
Hmmm, clips, you\'re almost up to that little twerp Salazar. Prepare to get your ass kicked several times...
Also, Right Hand was a bitch, wasn\'t it?
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I finished it a week ago.Like Ashford I am also impressed by the content Capcom has put in it.Though there were a few aspects I didnt like, like things that made it too action packed in a few places, almost everything else was superb.
Personally I bought the PS2 version.Graphics arent as good as the GC.There is a noticable difference but they are still great.Not very far from the GC version.
The music and sound effects were also nice in most parts.Some other parts though werent exactly Resi like.Like in the first encounters in the island section.Music was a bit action like.Reminded me of the Resi movie.
One thing that dissapointed me a bit was the fact that I think Capcom could have added a bit more variety of enemies.But they did a fine job at enjoying fighting those bastards to the last minute.Some enemies though sometimes made me laugh a bit :p
Anyways.The game is full screen now.No more black boarders :)
I unlocked some new modes I havent checked yet.
I enjoyied it a lot.I give it a solid 9 out of 10.
Its bigger, its atmospheric, its different from the other resis, and the target feature gave capcom the chance to add a bit of strategy into fighting those bastards and ofcourse the Bosses ;) (I LOVED THOSE BOSS FIGHTS).
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Yeah this was a great game had it for a while now. Me and my buddy finished it about 3 weeks ago. Weak ending though well she did offer to have sex.
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Yeah, the ending was sort of funny. I think Leon wants Ada though. I would.
Well, technically I\'d want Jill Valentine but she\'s not in this game.
Yeaaah, maybe we should stop talking about this now...
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Originally posted by Ashford
clips...
What part are you p to?
Is this your first run?
Pretty challenging, eh?
Challenging? Are you crazy?
I was disappointed by RE4. Decent game, but I miss the survival element. I got sick of shooting everything in sight with your bazillion bullets in Halo.
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Originally posted by Blade
Yeah, the ending was sort of funny. I think Leon wants Ada though. I would.
Well, technically I\'d want Jill Valentine but she\'s not in this game.
I\'ve got 2 worlds for you.... three-way.
.. with Barry and Wesker.
So hot.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Challenging? Are you crazy?
I was disappointed by RE4. Decent game, but I miss the survival element. I got sick of shooting everything in sight with your bazillion bullets in Halo.
I think it was challenging too.But only in few areas.Not "survival horror"challenging.Just hard.I didnt like the fact that it was too action packed many times either to tell the truth.
I still believe that the most perfect resis in their time were Resi1/Remake and Resi2.
Resi4 creates some mixed impressions because of Capcoms effort to make it different.It kind of lost in other areas we were familiar with in the previous Resident Evil games.But overally as a game it deserves the credibility.I am sure Capcom will fix some of the issues in Resi5.Like that bouncy like animation on the bad guys when you shot them with weapons like the shotgun that blew them 10 meters away.
Also this was the first Resi I ve ever playied in which I accidentally or effortlessly solved its puzzles.
I agree with you about the game missing the survival horror element compared to previous Resi games.
Capcom almost did the same mistake they did with Dino Crisis2.
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the other re survival horror elements came from terrible camera angles :laughing:
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Yeah they did to some extend.Movement was more stiff and constrained thanks to them.I wouldnt call them horrible though :p.They added a cinematic feel.Code Veronica failed a bit on that one though.Perhaps due to lack in detail compared to the prerendered backdrops
But it wasnt just that.The zombies used to move forwards continuously.It was harder to keep them away from you.Ammo and herbs were far limited too.
I also believe that the music and sound effects were better executed.
Fitted perfectly with the theme often reminding of Romero\'s movies.Slow paced.The music should not describe the main character\'s abilities and strength.It should be descriptive of the surroundings, zombified resident,s death, wondering and danger..The protagonist that way feels like a tragic character placed in a world he doesnt belong to(Romero should teach a few lessons to the director of the resident evil movie :p).
It used to be more claustrophobic.Thats the way it should be.
Silent Hill1 and 2 are completely 3D but managed to maintain that feel.
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Having cinematic camera angles was one of the charms of the games.
Resident Evil Remake is one of the most perfect games I\'ve ever played, and by far the best iteration of the series.
But hey, I can\'t blame Capcom for updating, but they didn\'t necessarily need to turn it into a blast-a-thon.
Oh, and I appreciated the length of RE4, too.
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I have Re remake...I was like "yeah RE is suppose to be good and this is suppose to be the remake of the best one so HOW COULD I GO WRONG"...and I did because it sucked from start to finish. Well disc 2 was decent.
If you played RE4 on hardmode the first time it would of been better probly.
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God forbid you don\'t have a machine gun with a gazillion bullets to blast away at everything you see.
Resident Evil 4 never had a sense of urgency. It lacked so many things that made RE great. And all of these things could have been included with the updated gameplay engine, but they chose to make it a mainstream action game instead.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
God forbid you don\'t have a machine gun with a gazillion bullets to blast away at everything you see.
Resident Evil 4 never had a sense of urgency. It lacked so many things that made RE great. And all of these things could have been included with the updated gameplay engine, but they chose to make it a mainstream action game instead.
I thought it was cool when u first get the shotgun, and the chainsaw guy chases you up the stairs.
Then there\'s the time you and the illegal are shacked up in the house and get attacked by a trillion zombies. Blocking the windows with the book cases was a cool effect.
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Coolness is a devil may cry thing.Not a resi thing. :p
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IIRC, blocking the windows with the bookcases ultimate achieved nothing?
That part was fun, btw. Not scary, or tension filled.. just fun.
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I rate the Resident Evil\'s as follows:
1.) RE4
2.) RE2
3.) RE Remake
4.) RE3
5.) RE Code Veronica
Outbreak sucked so much that I would not even mention them to be part as the genuine thing... like a knockoff or something.
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Dawid: You\'re missing one. RE0.
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Personally I rate it like this
1.) 2.) RE1/Remake, RE2(undecisive which one to put second)
3.) RE4
4.) RE3
5.) RE Code Veronica
I didnt play RE0
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heh heh i finally defeated salazar....everybody is sayin res evil4 was a blast fest?...sheeit fightin\' salazar i was usin my ammo and gettin killed like crazy...i finally said f**k it and used the rocket launcher on his ass..:pi think the balance of weapons and herbs are just right. it\'still more of an action game but there were parts where it was truly atmospheric....walkin\' thru that underground tunnel (ashley) tho not that scary the music score for that scenario was superb. i also cannot recall how many times i thought i was at the end of the game, only to be brought to another new area....:p
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Originally posted by Blade
Dawid: You\'re missing one. RE0.
Oh crap:eek: , Thanks for pointing that out. As Follows:
1.) RE4
2.) RE2
3.) RE Remake
4.) RE3
5.) RE Zero
6.) RE Code Veronica
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Hehe seems that I wasnt the only one that hated code veronica
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I was actually playing through all the Resident Evil games from August last year... and when I got to RE:CV I got really bored. I\'m now playing with Chris, it is just too much back tracking and similar environments.
This is one thing where RE4 really ended up in a league of its own... very little back tracking and a abundance of new environments around each corner.
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I\'d hate to rank them, but it\'s like this:
1. RE1-Remake/RE4 (two different high-quality experiences)
2. RE2
3. RE0
4. RE3
5. RE:CV
RE:CV isn\'t a bad game, it\'s just among giants.
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Originally posted by clips
heh heh i finally defeated salazar....everybody is sayin res evil4 was a blast fest?...sheeit fightin\' salazar i was usin my ammo and gettin killed like crazy...i finally said f**k it and used the rocket launcher on his ass..:pi think the balance of weapons and herbs are just right. it\'still more of an action game but there were parts where it was truly atmospheric....walkin\' thru that underground tunnel (ashley) tho not that scary the music score for that scenario was superb. i also cannot recall how many times i thought i was at the end of the game, only to be brought to another new area....:p
Next up, Krauser...
You WILL die plenty on your first encounter with him and probably even more on your second...
And RE: 0 sucked...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Next up, Krauser...
You WILL die plenty on your first encounter with him and probably even more on your second...
And RE: 0 sucked...
finally beat it....and i must say..since i haven\'t played the resident evil remake..this is by far the best res evil to date....i still wish that leon would act a little frightened by the monsters in this series..all that bravado talk kinda makes it lose steam and fright factor a bit...and that last boss wasn\'t that hard at all..but when he first transformed i was like wtf?..:eek:...:p...overall tho excellent game...i didn\'t know this game had two mini games for ada,... and some type of kill rate challenge for leon...meh but after games of this length, i plan on givin\' this game a break,...maybe i\'ll come back to it in about 6 or 7 months from now..:)...lookin forward to res evil 5!..:fro:
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Play RE:Remake.
Greatest..RE...EVER.
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Kill rate challenge?
You mean Mercenaries?
You DO know that its not just Leon, right?
This is easily the best Battle minigame of all RE\'s...
Its awesome to be able to use Ada, Krauser, and the return of HUNK AND WESKER!!!
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Originally posted by Ashford
Kill rate challenge?
You mean Mercenaries?
You DO know that its not just Leon, right?
This is easily the best Battle minigame of all RE\'s...
Its awesome to be able to use Ada, Krauser, and the return of HUNK AND WESKER!!!
heh yeah you\'re right....you truly are gettin\' the best bang for your buck in this one...i just finished assignment ada and i\'m currently doin seperate ways...and i gotta say these extras that are in the game just aren\'t some bulls**t mini games they threw in there these games actually have some "meaty depth" to them...:fro: