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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SirMystiq on January 23, 2005, 10:34:51 PM
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I bought this movie because I\'ve heard really good things about it.
It really is a great movie. You\'re not only exposed to the other side but you\'re actually able to notice just how much the media is ****ed up.
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Its the one made by al-Jazeera? I saw it, pretty good.
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You are kidding right? This movie is pure propaganda and Miss tiq are you trying to say our media is messed up or al jazeera? If you think al jazeera speaks the truth you need your head examined.
Oh yeah and thanks for supporting al jazeera by purchasing it - IMO you support terrorism.
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Well seeing as to how I worked in the media for 14 years, I\'d have to say that the agenda pushing is such bullshit.
The only thing you can\'t do on a local level is do a story about an auto dealership. Just too much ad power to F with. THey all act as a conglomerate and if one gets slammed they all pull out. That would shut down a station real quick.
On the national level, I didn\'t see anything either. I\'ve been on quite a few national events and have spoken with many people.
Some opinionated shows of course have tremendous slant, but that\'s what you expect. Standard news though isn\'t that bad.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You are kidding right? This movie is pure propaganda and Miss tiq are you trying to say our media is messed up or al jazeera? If you think al jazeera speaks the truth you need your head examined.
Oh yeah and thanks for supporting al jazeera by purchasing it - IMO you support terrorism.
Are you stupid?
Have you even watched the movie. It has nothing, if anything, to do with politics and "propaganda" It focuses and accentuates the flaws and the errors that our media is presenting to us to be completely objective.
If you think any of the media speaks the truth then you should really just die. This movie presents the OTHER side of the story but I haven\'t forgotten that you don\'t care about the other side of the story. You only care about what you want to hear.
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who cares about the "other" side when neither are very accurate?
i would give "the onion" more journalistic credibility then both put together
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It\'s not about what the media presents to be truth entirely. It gives you insights on alot of the things that go on in the background before any bullshit is coughed up. By both sides. It also presents just how biased the sides are.
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and you had to pay money to realize that?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You are kidding right? This movie is pure propaganda and Miss tiq are you trying to say our media is messed up or al jazeera? If you think al jazeera speaks the truth you need your head examined.
Oh yeah and thanks for supporting al jazeera by purchasing it - IMO you support terrorism.
You have absolutely no idea what you\'re talking about. You may have some problem with Al Jazeera, and you\'re entitled to think what you want about them, but this movie is not Al Jazeera. It\'s a documentary about Al Jazeera. If you actually watch it, you will discover that it includes a great many interviews and commentary that are critical of Al Jazeera. Also included is material that is critical of our US news reporting. Both sides are presented. In no way is this documentary propaganda.
I find it amazing how you constantly make up your mind about things based on what someone else told you to think. Any time you run across something that might have the tiniest hint of criticism of US institutions, then you instantly brand it as "propaganda," dismiss it, and thus save yourself the hassle of paying attention to it and being challenged by it.
Oh yeah, let\'s not forget you accusing someone of supporting terrorism by watching a documentary. That\'s hilarious. How simple your world view is if you actually believe such an ignorant statement.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Well seeing as to how I worked in the media for 14 years, I\'d have to say that the agenda pushing is such bullshit.
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On the national level, I didn\'t see anything either. I\'ve been on quite a few national events and have spoken with many people.
Some opinionated shows of course have tremendous slant, but that\'s what you expect. Standard news though isn\'t that bad.
Would you consider not reporting on something to be, if not agenda pushing, at least agenda biased?
/Just wondering
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I wouldn\'t call not reporting on an advertiser an agenda. It\'s essentially in this case not that big of a deal. If you don\'t already know that car lots are filled with dirty scoundrals then you\'ve never bought a car.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You have absolutely no idea what you\'re talking about. You may have some problem with Al Jazeera, and you\'re entitled to think what you want about them, but this movie is not Al Jazeera. It\'s a documentary about Al Jazeera. If you actually watch it, you will discover that it includes a great many interviews and commentary that are critical of Al Jazeera. Also included is material that is critical of our US news reporting. Both sides are presented. In no way is this documentary propaganda.
I find it amazing how you constantly make up your mind about things based on what someone else told you to think. Any time you run across something that might have the tiniest hint of criticism of US institutions, then you instantly brand it as "propaganda," dismiss it, and thus save yourself the hassle of paying attention to it and being challenged by it.
Oh yeah, let\'s not forget you accusing someone of supporting terrorism by watching a documentary. That\'s hilarious. How simple your world view is if you actually believe such an ignorant statement.
This is all about Al Jazeera and heavily biased toward it. You are blind if you can\'t see it. Then again why wouldn\'t I expect any other viewpoint from liberals like you or people who hate this country like Mystiq? :rolleyes:
Al Jazeera is more biased than Fox when reporting stories about Iraq and the Middle East in general. As mm said "who cares about the other side" - you live in America and these people who Al Jazeera gives the spotlight to wouldn\'t hesitate in killing you or causing harm to this country. Example? Marine shooting enemy combatant in Fallujah gets replayed over and over as "proof of evil America" - while the execution of Margaret Hassan is mentioned once.
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Giga: Did you see the documentary "Control Room?"
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No, but I have read reviews and heard countless other opinions on it. The same crowd that thought F911 was a great movie think this one is as well... need I say more?
Speaking of F911 - no Oscar Nominations I see :laughing:
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Originally posted by videoholic
I wouldn\'t call not reporting on an advertiser an agenda. It\'s essentially in this case not that big of a deal. If you don\'t already know that car lots are filled with dirty scoundrals then you\'ve never bought a car.
I was talking more so in general terms. Like if CNN/Local News decided to NOT report on something negative instead of reporting extensively on something positive.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
No, but I have read reviews and heard countless other opinions on it. The same crowd that thought F911 was a great movie think this one is as well... need I say more?
Speaking of F911 - no Oscar Nominations I see :laughing:
So I see there\'s no need for you to think for yourself, when you have so many conservative news outlets to do your thinking for you.
That\'s fine if you want to proceed that way in your own life, but please refrain from holding forth on a book, movie, television show, or anything else as if you have seen it, when you haven\'t. That ought to be a simple common sense rule of this forum. If you haven\'t seen it or read it, then your opinion on it has very little value, and you might want to consider not posting. I do that all the time. I REFRAIN from posting on something that I don\'t know anything about. Does that make sense to you? Consider admitting to yourself that you don\'t know what you\'re talking about, instead of constantly trying to score points and put Sir Mystiq in his place.
You should at minimum preface your comments by acknowledging that you haven\'t seen it. That would at least save me the time of countering your ill informed opinon.
BTW, Michael Moore did not submit F/911 for academy award consideration because at the time of the oscar deadline, he was still considering having it broadcast on television, which would have excluded it. It wasn\'t nominated because it wasn\'t submitted.
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Why watch something I will find very boring and very biased against what I believe? I watched F911 and regretted every minute of it - I won\'t make the same mistake again.
Al Jazeera is blatently biased and you can\'t seem to admit that this film is pure propaganda from the outlet the enemy uses to gain support for its cause. Just because I refuse to watch it does not mean I do not know anything about it. If you haven\'t seen or experienced something does that make your view irrelevant? If that were the case, most here shouldn\'t even talk about conditions in Iraq. Also have you ever considered that it is possible to read the script? By the way have you seen this film?
You somehow think you are enlightened because you are "open minded" when it comes to viewpoints from both sides. I couldn\'t disagree more. Al Jazeera is a propaganda machine unlike any media outlet here in the US. It reports one side - the side of their viewers. The US media on the other hand attempts to report both the good and the bad - in the case of most MSM here it is the latter. You still have failed to address the point I brought up about Al Jazeera repeated showing the shooting of an enemy combatant in Fallujah and only mentioning the execution of Margaret Hassan once in passing. Al Jazeera also interviewed one of Hussein\'s sons shortly before the war and the interviewer proclaimed that the network supported him and his father. It amazes me that you think this movie is worthy viewing for the American public. As I stated the same moonbats who liked F911 will like this movie. I thought F911 was garbage.
Putting Mystiq in his place? That is hardly an effort and wasn\'t the reason for my response if you actually read my post.
As for Michael Moore - you are dead wrong. He wanted an Oscar for his POS film and I am sure he will be demanding a recount soon enough.
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Almost everything you wrote above underscores the fact that you haven\'t seen "Control Room." You keep equating this documentary with Al Jazeera as if they are the same thing. They are not. The film is critical of BOTH the US News and Al Jazeera. Most of your questions are answered by the film. Why should I reiterate what\'s in the film just because you can\'t be bothered to watch it? If you watch it, you will find many of your beliefs supported. But then you didn\'t know that because YOU HAVEN\'T SEEN IT.
YES I\'ve seen the film. I don\'t normally bother with such acknowledgements because I don\'t post on films when I haven\'t seen them. I\'m not defending Al Jazeera, I\'m defending "Control Room" which is a good documentary.
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Do you deny that this film attempts to show the coverage of the war from the Arab viewpoint? It is not hard to guess what that is now is it?
I have no interest in the Arab viewpoint or their feelings on this matter. This is why I won\'t watch it. How hard is that to understand? As far as I am concerned we are in a cultural and ideological war with the goal of destroying radical Islam. This same Islam that calls democracy un-Islamic.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
BTW, Michael Moore did not submit F/911 for academy award consideration because at the time of the oscar deadline, he was still considering having it broadcast on television, which would have excluded it. It wasn\'t nominated because it wasn\'t submitted.
One more thing:
Michael Moore\'s gamble to hold his hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" out of the documentary category -- to boost its best-picture prospects -- backfired. The movie was shut out across the board. Moore won the documentary prize two years ago for "Bowling for Columbine."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2005/01/25/entertainment0843EST0513.DTL&type=movies
Once again you are wrong.
;)
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You\'re allowed to decide not to see the film if you don\'t want to. I couldn\'t care less if you have no interest in the "arab viewpoint." I think that\'s a fucked up approach to world affairs, but that\'s your decision. If you want to install filters over your ears and blinders on your eyes so that you only hear viewpoints that agree with your own, that\'s your business.
However, I\'m trying to remind you that you make an ass of yourself when you proclaim a film to be "propaganda" with the sound and authority of someone who has seen the film and judged it, when in fact you haven\'t seen it, and you don\'t know what you\'re talking about.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
One more thing:
Michael Moore\'s gamble to hold his hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" out of the documentary category -- to boost its best-picture prospects -- backfired. The movie was shut out across the board. Moore won the documentary prize two years ago for "Bowling for Columbine."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/a/2005/01/25/entertainment0843EST0513.DTL&type=movies
Once again you are wrong.
;)
That is one news writer\'s opinion, not reality. Aiming for best picture is not the reason Moore didn\'t enter F 9/11 in the documentary category. Of course you\'ll believe it was because that suits your preconceived views on the matter, so whatever.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
That is one news writer\'s opinion, not reality. Aiming for best picture is not the reason Moore didn\'t enter F 9/11 in the documentary category. Of course you\'ll believe it was because that suits your preconceived views on the matter, so whatever.
You are in denial:
LOS ANGELES -- Michael Moore has his eyes on a bigger prize for “Fahrenheit 9/11.”
Moore says he won’t put the film up for best documentary at this year’s Academy Awards. Instead, he wants to promote it for best picture.
Straight from Jabba\'s mouth.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=23146
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Your article from WKYC.com contains someone\'s paraphrased account of Michael Moore\'s intentions.
Here is a different article from the same day (9/7/04) which contains Moore\'s exact words, as written by him:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0907-13.htm
The only problem with my desire to get this movie in front of as many Americans as possible is that, should it air on TV, I will NOT be eligible to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for Academy Award consideration for Best Documentary. Academy rules forbid the airing of a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release (fiction films do not have the same restriction).
Although I have no assurance from our home video distributor that they would allow a one-time television broadcast -- and the chances are they probably won\'t -- I have decided it is more important to take that risk and hope against hope that I can persuade someone to put it on TV, even if it\'s the night before the election.
Therefore, I have decided not to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration for the Best Documentary Oscar. If there is even the remotest of chances that I can get this film seen by a few million more Americans before election day, then that is more important to me than winning another documentary Oscar. I have already won a Best Documentary statue. Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority.
The deadline to submit the film for the documentary Oscar was last Wednesday. I told my crew who worked on the film, let\'s let someone else have that Oscar. We have already helped to ignite the biggest year ever for nonfiction films. Last week, 1 out of every 5 films playing in movie theaters across America was a documentary! That is simply unheard of. There have been so many great nonfiction films this year, why not step aside and share what we have with someone else? Remove the 800-pound gorilla from that Oscar category and let the five films who get nominated have all the attention they deserve (instead of the focus being on a film that has already had more than its share of attention).
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I have informed our distributors of my decision. They support me (in fact, they then offered to submit our film for all the other categories it is eligible for, including Best Picture -- so, hey, who knows, maybe I\'ll get to complete that Oscar speech from 2003! Sorry, just kidding).
Go on believing whatever you want about Moore\'s intentions. I do not care.
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Look at the last paragraph - IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR BEST PICTURE and it was submitted.
He failed at getting Bush defeated and he failed to get an Oscar. I love it.
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Yeah, because it was the wrong category, and he didn\'t care about the oscar anyway.
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I disagree. He is an award whore. Look how giddy he is over the (cough) BS (cough) People\'s Choice Award which was done via internet poll for the first time. If they would have stuck with Gallup he would have lost that one too.
I would nominate him for the Leni Riefenstahl Propaganda Award or the Goebbels Lifetime Achievement Award.
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Just because he expressed appreciation to the people who voted for him when he won something like a People\'s Choice award, that does not make him an "award whore." How would you react if you ever received an award for anything?
Apparently some people like what he\'s done. They go to see his movies and vote for him for awards. That sort of pisses you off, doesn\'t it? :D
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Internet polls = inaccurate.
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I love how giga tried to twist mm\'s word when he said:
who cares about the "other" side when neither are very accurate?
i would give "the onion" more journalistic credibility then both put together
And he tried to make it sound like mm was supporting him by just quoting the not caring about the other side part, funny how he neglected to acknowledge how mm was saying that you shouldnt listen to EITHER side because both are inaccurate. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why watch something I will find very boring and very biased against what I believe?
This is called educating yourself. You can\'t go through life with filters in your senses, as Cored put it nicely. In reading other news sources and exposing yourself to different viewpoints allows you to not only round out your perspective of a topic, but check your own beliefs as well.
Things are never black and white.
Live to be gray.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I disagree. He is an award whore. Look how giddy he is over the (cough) BS (cough) People\'s Choice Award which was done via internet poll for the first time. If they would have stuck with Gallup he would have lost that one too.
I would nominate him for the Leni Riefenstahl Propaganda Award or the Goebbels Lifetime Achievement Award.
I didn\'t see any "Pro-Bush" of in your words "Pro-America" movies ever come out.
Or at least none that I knew off. I don\'t really care they didn\'t win any awards. I got my copy and I liked it!
Also, Control Room is the best movie I\'ve seen until...Hotel Rwanda