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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/27/train.derailment/index.html
GLENDALE, California (CNN) -- A man accused of causing a deadly Southern California train crash has been charged with 11 counts of murder, Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley said.
The charges against Juan Manuel Alvarez, 25, include a special circumstance that would make him eligible for the death penalty if convicted, but Cooley said a decision hasn\'t been made on whether to pursue capital punishment.
Alvarez is scheduled to appear Thursday afternoon in a Los Angeles court. He is being treated for what are described as self-inflicted but not life-threatening wounds.
In addition to the 11 dead, nearly 200 people in the crash were hospitalized, Glendale Fire Department Chief Christopher Gray said.
Rescue officials said Thursday that they don\'t expect to find remains of more victims. A missing woman who may have been on the train has been accounted for and is not among the dead, they said.
FBI and National Transportation Safety Board investigators were dispatched to the site.
On Wednesday, Alvarez parked his Jeep Cherokee on railroad tracks in Glendale as a commuter train approached shortly after 6 a.m., police said.
Initially, Alvarez intended to commit suicide, police said, but he changed his mind. He exited his sport utility vehicle and watched as the Metrolink train hit it, derailed, ran into a northbound Metrolink commuter train and crashed into a parked Union Pacific train, police said.
The district attorney described the evidence against Alvarez as "pretty self-evident."
"He certainly intended to commit the act of train derailment," Cooley said, which can result in a charge of murder whether or not he intended to kill anyone.
Alvarez, whose last known address was in Compton, was taken into custody near the scene, Glendale Police Chief Randy Adams said Wednesday.
Alvarez was treated for superficial wounds -- cuts to his wrist and chest --that were self-inflicted and not caused by the train wreck, Adams said.
"I think he was intent at that time of taking his own life but changed his mind prior to the train actually striking his vehicle," Adams said.
Alvarez\'s sister-in-law, Maricela Amaya, told Telemundo TV that he separated from his wife, Carmelita, three months ago, according to The Associated Press. She said the wife obtained a court order to keep him away, but he had attempted to see his wife and son, the AP reported.
"He was having problems with drugs and all that and was violent," Amaya was quoted as saying, according to the AP.
"A few other times he went around as if he wanted to kill himself. I said, \'If you\'re going to kill yourself, go kill yourself far away.\' "
Adams said Alvarez has an arrest record for unspecified drug violations and described the suspect as "distraught, remorseful but cooperative."
"We\'re very confident that he is the correct individual," Adams said. "Not only through his own admissions, but we actually have a couple of witnesses that were on the train that actually saw him fleeing from the vehicle."
Los Angeles Mayor Jim Hahn said the tragedy could have been worse.
"When you saw the wreckage inside those cars, it\'s a miracle there weren\'t more people lost," he said.
A passenger said the impact "sounded like the train was dragging something across the tracks in front of it."
"All of a sudden, the lights went out. The train jerked to a stop."
Alvarez apparently changed his mind after driving onto the tracks, but was unsuccessful in his attempts to remove his vehicle, said Glendale Mayor Bob Yousefian.
"The train coming southbound collided with the Jeep, took the vehicle and put it into the undercarriage which, at that point, started the chain of events which caused all this horrible tragedy," Yousefian said.
A massive rescue operation ensued. Gray, the Glendale fire chief, said more than 75 agencies were involved.
Rescuers spent hours working to free the injured. Search-and-rescue teams used infrared cameras to locate victims and in some cases cut away twisted metal.
Immediately after the collision, people inside a nearby Costco store ran to help. The AP reported that they used shopping carts to move some of the injured.
A Costco employee told the AP that an elderly man, whose arms and legs were apparently broken, thanked his rescuers and asked them to pray for him before dying.
Another man, who was trapped, used his blood to write a note to his family, according to the AP.
The man was not identified, but Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Capt. Rex Vilaubi told the AP that he was removed from the wreckage alive.
A law enforcement official identified one of the dead as Los Angeles County Sheriff\'s Deputy James Tutino, 47, who was on his way to work.
How retarded can you get?
This guy wished to take his life in a very cowardly manner. He then proceeded to park on some train tracks and the dumbass chickens out and causes a fatal accident. Now eleven people are dead and many injured.
I don\'t support the death penalty. But if they decide to give it on this case. I choose to be a hypocrite.
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I wonder, if he was trying to commit suicide, why note move the car off the tracks instead of jusr running away??? Seems like the suicide stories a little iffy of you ask me.......
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why note move the car off the tracks instead of jusr running away??? Seems like the suicide stories a little iffy of you ask me.......
Because he\'s an idiot. I heard he was a drug addict, so he was probably high. Also, that\'s the same exact question the authorties are asking to convict him...like what was going on in his head at the time.
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I wouldnt give this guy death, thats what he wanted in the first place, that would just be helping him out. I\'ve always felt that life w/o parole is the worst punishment. No fun being locked up in a jail for your entire life, especially if your not the biggest or toughest guy there.
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Screw that I\'d rather see him dead then milking my tax dollars rotting his ass in jail.
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yea..i say put that ass to sleep..s**t,..cats like this like to pull that insanity defense bulls**t...f**k that! he knew what he was doin, then at the last minute he tried to bail out?...lay his head to rest....
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I am normally against the death penalty, but in this case, I would be in favor of a public execution in Pershing Square, here in L.A. Have you ever read descriptions of public executions in France and Italy in the 19th century? To me there\'s not much as degrading as being executed in front of an audience of thousands who are all cheering for your death.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Screw that I\'d rather see him dead then milking my tax dollars rotting his ass in jail.
True that. Plus, the prisons are crowded as it is.
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As cloud said - What is worse? life in prison or execution - especially for someone who wanted to commit suicide? As much as this dirt bag deserves to die - I think living in confinement surrounded by dangerous inmates might be worse in this case.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
As cloud said - What is worse? life in prison or execution - especially for someone who wanted to commit suicide? As much as this dirt bag deserves to die - I think living in confinement surrounded by dangerous inmates might be worse in this case.
Especially at his age of what, 25? He\'d have a nice 50 plus years to think about his idiocy...I\'m pretty sure we\'d all sleep a little better at night knowing that.
See Yuz.
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He is apparently on suicide watch. Why?
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I don\'t want the man to suffer.
I want him to die. If it\'s what he wants, I say give him a cup and a bottle of Clorox, lock him in a room and give him no food or water. Either he\'ll do it right this time himself, or he\'ll die from emaciation.
No one said his death penalty had to be fun and games.
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Originally posted by Weltall
or he\'ll die from emaciation.
He wouldn\'t die from emaciation. Thats like saying you should throw him in the ocean with weights so he can die from bloating.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
He wouldn\'t die from emaciation. Thats like saying you should throw him in the ocean with weights so he can die from bloating.
No it\'s not. Through starvation, one would emaciate before death. Bloating would occur after death (via asphyxiation) in your scenario. You can die from emaciation. Typically, it\'s one of the last things that kills you (because usually other things will happen first to someone who suffers).
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I say tie the bastard on railroad tracks and have a train run him over.
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"anyways" isn\'t a word
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Originally posted by Weltall
No it\'s not. Through starvation, one would emaciate before death. Bloating would occur after death (via asphyxiation) in your scenario. You can die from emaciation. Typically, it\'s one of the last things that kills you (because usually other things will happen first to someone who suffers).
You die from a lack of essential nutrients due to starvation. Emaciation is a byproduct of this process.
Its really not worth having an extended discussion about. I just wanted to point out something inaccurate in your post. You are not going to admit you were wrong so I\'m going to leave it alone.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Screw that I\'d rather see him dead then milking my tax dollars rotting his ass in jail.
Proven fact:
Due to our appeal system, in the long run it is more expensive to put him to death than to give him life in prison.
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Well then hopefully while he\'s in prison someone will do the honor for him Dahmer style, a nice broom stick up the ass.
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fucking idiot deserves it, he could have moved the car or at least made an attempt at it, hes gonna fry.
Not to self...Make sure not to risk the lives of others when taking your own.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Proven fact:
Due to our appeal system, in the long run it is more expensive to put him to death than to give him life in prison.
That\'s why we hope some guy in prison does the job for us ;)
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Well then hopefully while he\'s in prison someone will do the honor for him Dahmer style, a nice broom stick up the ass.
You mean Abner Louima-style...
Dahmer was a cannibal serial killer...
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wow. CNN is saying he did it on purpose and wanted to get his wife\'s attention. I hope he gets his trial in texas and is sent in the express lane to the chair.
er whatever is least expensive and whatever he feels would be worse. If he thinks prison is worse than death than send him to prison.