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Made you look Giga. ;)
Where is FAUWKS News? :p
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/050130/retail_branding_1.html
GLOBAL
1. Apple
2. Google
3. Ikea :D
4. Starbucks
5. Al Jazeera :p
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICA
1. Cemex
2. Corona
3. Bacardi
4. Bimbo
5. Vina Concha y Toro
ASIA-PACIFIC
1. Sony :D
2. Samsung
3. LG
4. Toyota
5. Lonely Planet
EUROPE & AFRICA
1. Ikea :D
2. Virgin
3. H&M :D
4. Nokia
5. Al Jazeera :D
NORTH AMERICA
1. Apple
2. Google
3. Target
4. Starbucks
5. Pixar
"I think people are tuning in to Al Jazeera and looking at its Web Site because it does offer another viewpoint. For the global community, it\'s one of the few points of access we have to news from the region with a different perspective."
Go al-J! :D
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Meh, they should be arrested for having active links to Al-Q. I mean who is always getting these Osame videos first? Something besides Racer during Showtime\'s drag queen week is definitely up with them.
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Al-Jazeera is the mouthpiece of terrorism. To hell with them. They\'re influential, alright. In a distinctly bad way.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Al-Jazeera is the mouthpiece of terrorism. To hell with them. They\'re influential, alright. In a distinctly bad way.
Sure, it might seem that way if your only source of information is Fox News. I know they have been inciting against al-Jazeera.
Fox News - Mouthpiece of the Bush Regime.. ;)
Meh, they should be arrested for having active links to Al-Q. I mean who is always getting these Osame videos first? Something besides Racer during Showtime\'s drag queen week is definitely up with them.
Source? Do they fund terrorists? No? I dont see why they should be arrested, they have already been shot at and bombed (killing several al-Jazeera employees), getting the videotapes first is not surprising, they are the biggest ME news network.
I like to see things from both perspectives, that way I can draw my own conclusions, instead of having someone draw/filter them for me (FOX).
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I most definately agree.
Props to Al Jazeera for having the balls to show what no other news organization will. Journalism is about the freedom of information. With more and more Bush policy propaganda seeping out of U.S. media coverage and with our censors heavy on the black marker, it is refreshing for an alternate news organization to not be afraid of what (oh god oh god) the "fragile" minds of the public might think.
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Give me a god damn break.
They\'re not being an \'alternative source\'. They are riling up the Arabs and inciting violence against us under the guise of journalism.
Whose purpose is served by delivering Al-Qaeda\'s messages to the masses? None but Al-Qaeda\'s, of course.
Frankly, my nation is at war. And I want our enemies dead. I couldn\'t give half a shit whether their opinions are heard or not. The only thing I want to hear out of them is screams of pain. By serving as their courier, Al-Jazeera functions as their tool, and thus, to me, they are guilty of prolonging and deepening this conflict.
How can anyone give them \'props\' for being an alternative to Fox? That\'s sickening. I wonder how many Arabs give props to Fox for being an alternative to Al-Jazeera? I\'ll be the first to admit that Fox is definitely slanted to the right (and I love it), but their slant is one I agree with. Al-J is definitely slanted towards the terrorist\'s opinions, and they make no effort to be balanced and unbiased.
So what am I to take from your laudatory comments? Are you both really so ignorant as to think Al-J is unbiased, or do you support them because of their bias?
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First step-acknowledging Al Jazeera as a respectable news station.
Second step-taking an AK-47 and firing into a crowd.
Getting pretty close fastson! Aim it at Mystic please.
I\'m sorry but I don\'t see the point in making overly long posts in responsediotic. If they want to take Al Jazeera seriously then I\'ll treat them like the jokes they are.
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*Sees Bacardi and heads towards the Liquor Cabinet*
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Should I even comment on what type of people these were that were polled? I mean you have Starbucks on there - haven for black beret, poetry spouting liberals to share pseudo intellectual nonsense.
Seriously, the question was which brands had the most impact on your life in 2004. If you are watching Al Jazeera it is quite obvious which way your flag blows on the political landscape.
Fox > any other news outlet as far as I am concerned.
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Didn\'t al-Jazeera show the executions of American solders? I can\'t respect a news source that does that.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Give me a god damn break.
They\'re not being an \'alternative source\'. They are riling up the Arabs and inciting violence against us under the guise of journalism.
Whose purpose is served by delivering Al-Qaeda\'s messages to the masses? None but Al-Qaeda\'s, of course.
Frankly, my nation is at war. And I want our enemies dead. I couldn\'t give half a shit whether their opinions are heard or not. The only thing I want to hear out of them is screams of pain. By serving as their courier, Al-Jazeera functions as their tool, and thus, to me, they are guilty of prolonging and deepening this conflict.
How can anyone give them \'props\' for being an alternative to Fox? That\'s sickening. I wonder how many Arabs give props to Fox for being an alternative to Al-Jazeera? I\'ll be the first to admit that Fox is definitely slanted to the right (and I love it), but their slant is one I agree with. Al-J is definitely slanted towards the terrorist\'s opinions, and they make no effort to be balanced and unbiased.
So what am I to take from your laudatory comments? Are you both really so ignorant as to think Al-J is unbiased, or do you support them because of their bias?
"They\'re not being an \'alternative source\'. They are riling up the Arabs and inciting violence against us under the guise of journalism. "
Yes, and I\'m sure FoxNews is doing nothing like that...
So, your saying that you would rather be ignorant of the oppositions view point because what you believe is right and should be held above anything else...hmm...isn\'t that why this country, it\'s people I mean, are seen as a bunch of assholes. Al-Jazeera is biased, because they are parallel to FoxNews. Now whether their reports influence the terrorist is totally based on opinion. Does FoxNews affect how we feel and think about the war? Also, I\'ve always learned that most wars are planned and done accordingly and avoided at all cost. Is your knowing and willing ignorance of their motives really helping this war also?
Wait, let me guess, YOU DON\'T CARE. Great, now go on stare at your poster of GWB on the wall.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Should I even comment on what type of people these were that were polled? I mean you have Starbucks on there - haven for black beret, poetry spouting liberals to share pseudo intellectual nonsense.
Seriously, the question was which brands had the most impact on your life in 2004. If you are watching Al Jazeera it is quite obvious which way your flag blows on the political landscape.
Fox > any other news outlet as far as I am concerned.
Fox, huh. I wonder why...FoxNews is Bush\'s mouthpiece.
Well, if you would of watched CONTROL ROOM you would see the truth!!! How each station has to fight for new military reports and most of the crap we hear on TV comes from the military! Now, can we really trust the military to supply us with actual information?
About both sides of the line, seriously people this movie gets in it deep. There is one guy in the movie that works for Al-Jazeera and he says:
"I believe in the American people. I believe in the US Constitution"
He seemed damn well sure of it. Now, I won\'t say he supports the US in all this shit, but you can\'t question the integrity and motives of anybody based on your personal perception of another group or human.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
"They\'re not being an \'alternative source\'. They are riling up the Arabs and inciting violence against us under the guise of journalism. "
Yes, and I\'m sure FoxNews is doing nothing like that...
So, your saying that you would rather be ignorant of the oppositions view point because what you believe is right and should be held above anything else...hmm...isn\'t that why this country, it\'s people I mean, are seen as a bunch of assholes. Al-Jazeera is biased, because they are parallel to FoxNews. Now whether their reports influence the terrorist is totally based on opinion. Does FoxNews affect how we feel and think about the war? Also, I\'ve always learned that most wars are planned and done accordingly and avoided at all cost. Is your knowing and willing ignorance of their motives really helping this war also?
Wait, let me guess, YOU DON\'T CARE. Great, now go on stare at your poster of GWB on the wall.
So far as I remember, Fox News hasn\'t aired any videos from Americans telling American citizens to go out and slaughter innocent Muslim civilians, or threatening to kill us if we vote.
I mean, if that means I just missed it, by all means, let me know.
Honestly, our enemies don\'t hate all Americans. They know some of them are helping their cause over here.
Now go kiss a terrorist for me.
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Any news source that says the most devastating Tsunami known to man was caused by Bush is A-OK with me. :rolleyes: :laughing:
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Our in-house liberals love Al-Jazeera because they offer a balance to America\'s media, which is under the control of rich, influential Jews, who are manipulating us in order to carry out their secret agendas!
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Are you both really so ignorant as to think Al-J is unbiased, or do you support them because of their bias?
I give them props because they show the other side which we rarely get to see. Most news stations in the west all have the same sources, AP and Reuters. Al-Jazeera is out in the field and sometimes they are the only once who CAN report on things in Iraq/Afghanistan, that is why I like them and think they are important.
I am well aware that most news networks show stories to fit their agenda better, that is why I watch multiple news channels (CNN, SVT, TV4) plus I surf on to english.aljazeera.net and news.yahoo.com. But thats just me.
Originally posted by Jumpman
First step-acknowledging Al Jazeera as a respectable news station.
Second step-taking an AK-47 and firing into a crowd.
Getting pretty close fastson! Aim it at Mystic please.
Sure, Im a terrorist lover because I go to english.aljazeera.net for alternative soruces for my news? Allah akbar!
You people are aware that al-Jazeera is banned in some Muslim countries just because they show what the governments don’t want their citizens to see, right? If Im not mistaken Mohammad Saeed al-Sahaf called al-Jazeera "pro-american".
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Fox > any other news outlet as far as I am concerned.
I understand you have your opinion but you don\'t feel that they have an obvious bias in their coverage? I mean if employees come out and say that they were instructed to skew the news in favor of one particular political party that would be a problem for me.
It has gotten to the point where a station that says anything negative about Bush has a bias but the one station that NEVER says anything negative about Bush does not have a bias.
Originally posted by GigaShadow
Should I even comment on what type of people these were that were polled? I mean you have Starbucks on there - haven for black beret, poetry spouting liberals to share pseudo intellectual nonsense.
Seriously, the question was which brands had the most impact on your life in 2004. If you are watching Al Jazeera it is quite obvious which way your flag blows on the political landscape.
I also find it amusing that you want to blame Al Jazeera\'s GLOBAL ranking on hippie liberals in America because it has Starbucks on the list. That may be one of your most ridiculous arguments ever.
"haven for black beret, poetry spouting liberals to share pseudo intellectual nonsense"
I mean....wow. What about Target? They were ranked higher than Starbucks in North America. Isn\'t that a haven of ripped tank top, rhetoric spouting hicks to share anti-raghead dogma?
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The first part was posted in sarcasm. The second part - well you didn\'t address that one did you?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Seriously, the question was which brands had the most impact on your life in 2004. If you are watching Al Jazeera it is quite obvious which way your flag blows on the political landscape.
What is there to address. There happen to be people, unlike you, who do not like to be spoonfed information by the government themselves. You turn on Faux News and spout off their political talking points like it is gospel. THat is no worse than someone turning on Al Jazeera and spouting off their talking points as gospel.
You have two organizations doing/saying everything in their power to give a biased view of what is really happening. To say that Al Jazeera should not be trusted because they are the supposed mouthpiece of Iraqis and then in the same breath say that Fox News SHOULD be trusted despite the fact that they are the mouthpiece of the republican party is in itself the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.
Many people watch both(mostly eurpoeans) because they figure the truth tends to lie somewhere in the middle. Of course you and people of your ilk like to see things in black and white. You never see the truth because it is usually somewhere in that gray area you refuse to acknowledge.
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I still fail to see why you want to be objective regarding radical Islam - it is pointless. We are right and they are wrong. There is no reasoning with these people whose single purpose in life is to kill "infidels" who do not agree with their beliefs.
Al Jazeera is the mouth piece for this and it seems you are having trouble figuring out which side you are on. I also find it disgusting and incredibly ignorant that you actually think Fox News is worse if not more dangerous than Al Jazeera. This should have nothing to do with partisan politics, but people like you and the Demorats have made it so.
Also Europe is not the model America should follow - as Weltall has said they lack teeth and if an army invaded Europe they would be screaming for our help. They along with liberals in this country fail to see the dangers that face the US and frankly, when it comes to US security and interests I don\'t care about the European opinion.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I still fail to see why you want to be objective regarding radical Islam - it is pointless. We are right and they are wrong. There is no reasoning with these people whose single purpose in life is to kill "infidels" who do not agree with their beliefs.
Al Jazeera is the mouth piece for this and it seems you are having trouble figuring out which side you are on. I also find it disgusting and incredibly ignorant that you actually think Fox News is worse if not more dangerous than Al Jazeera. This should have nothing to do with partisan politics, but people like you and the Demorats have made it so.
I am not saying you need to be objective about terrorists. I just don\'t see how you equate Al Jazeera with radical islamic terrorists.
I also did not say that Fox News is worse or "more dangerous"(WTF?) than anything. I was commenting on the fact that a percieved bias by one network makes their opinion invalid, in your eyes, while your favorite news station also has a percieved bias. That is hypocrisy.
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In one breath you praise Al Jazeera and the second you knock Fox News... wonder how I came to the conclusion you think Al Jazeera is better than Fox?
Don\'t see how I equate Al Jazeera with radical terrorists?
“Sarmad” from the blog, Road of a Nation offers his thoughts on Al-Jazeera’s bias through not covering good news. He writes on 14 April 2004, “If there is something good happening there [they] are ignoring it, and avoiding it, even if they do interviews with people they select their guests to make as more as they can from damages, and move the peoples feelings and if we should support what is happening there, and they are going bigger and bigger and their turned to an organization here in Iraq, supporting any action against the coalition even if it hurts the people of Iraq.” Finally he says, “and we are doing our beast [best] to show our side, and we find in the blogs the only way to express our self and show something from the truth” (Road).
The questions that arise from this incident are ones of context. Unable to understand the complete newscast in Arabic, it is unclear whether Al-Jazeera provided the context that in the same unit, one day prior to this incident, a US Marine was killed by a man in a mosque in a similar situation. A man in a mosque waved a white flag signaling surrender and requesting medical aid. As the Marine bent down to apply aid, he then to set off explosives rigged to his body (Jordan Times). When questioned about the occurrence of insurgents feigning death and signaling surrender, both of which are against the Geneva Convention.
After viewing Al-Jazeera\'s imagery and sound, it is very interesting to note how the station edits its footage and applies emotive music in the background. Just as any sound editor working on a movie knows the precise moments and the musical themes to play to elicit certain responses, Al-Jazeera uses music to qualify a response. Al-Jazeera seems to me more like a passion play than news reporting.
http://www.terrorismunveiled.com/athena/2005/01/arab_media_and_.html
Not a mouth piece for terrorists? Not inciting radical Islam? You have to be kidding.
Their broadcasts would put Joseph Goebbels to shame.
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That could be Fox News in a nutshell. :D
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/08/1554236
A new study has found that regular viewers of Fox News held more misperceptions about the invasion of Iraq than regular viewers of any other networks. NPR/PBS viewers were found to have the best understanding of the facts
Talk about “ignoring” the bad news. :D
http://www.alternet.org/story/16892
And the more you watch the Rupert Murdoch-owned Fox News channel, in particular, the more likely it is that your perceptions about the war are wrong, adds the report by the University of Maryland\'s Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).
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Among Bush supporters, those who said they follow the news "very closely", were found more likely to hold misperceptions. Those Bush supporters, on the other hand, who say they follow the news "somewhat closely" or "not closely at all" held fewer misperceptions. Conversely, those Democratic supporters who said they did not follow the news very closely were found to be twice as likely to hold misperceptions as those who said they did, according to PIPA.
http://slate.msn.com/id/93999/
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html
This is something which would make Joseph Goebbels proud!
This is why I watch several news broadcasts, leaning left and right to get the full picture, not having my picture drawn by someone else!
Im off to the shower, tally ho.
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So you claim Fox News shows false news just as these sites do? Sorry, all of those sites you listed are 5 years old in the case of Slate, anti conservative and/or are bitter over the success of Fox News. This is evident in that you and others bring it up in just about every post related to news (and even topics that aren\'t about news) even if the subject isn\'t about Fox News.
Fox News is the highest viewed cable news network in the US. Wonder why that is? I am sure you will say it is because we are all stupid and can\'t think for ourselves. :rolleyes: The reality is that it isn\'t left leaning like almost every other MSM source.
Your sources also claim that Fox News misreports the news yet doesn\'t give any examples except for some vague survey that says 68 percent of these so called Fox News watchers think Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Sorry, but I have been watching Fox since before 9/11 and I don\'t prescribe to that theory and I have never heard Fox exclusively use a news hour (not a political pundit show) to claim so. Sure after 9/11 there was much speculation on who was involved and yes Iraq\'s name came up, but it wasn\'t exclusively Fox who reported on them. The sites you list claim not to hate Fox News because its "conservative or Pro Republican", but in reality that is why they despise it so much. The rabid hatred for Bush is a characteristic shared by the same people who hate Fox News. Those who hold these beliefs are in the minority here in the US thank God.
The point is Al Jazeera supports and incites the enemy. To praise them for their journalistic integrity is repulsive. Your comparison of the two are symptoms of what is wrong with Europe.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
So you claim Fox News shows false news just as these sites do? Sorry, all of those sites you listed are anti conservative and are bitter over the success of Fox News. This is evident in that you and others bring it up in just about every post related to news (and even topics that aren\'t about news) even if the subject isn\'t about Fox News.
Fox News is the highest viewed cable news network in the US. Wonder why that is? I am sure you will say it is because we are all stupid and can\'t think for ourselves. :rolleyes: The reality is that it isn\'t left leaning like almost every other MSM source.
Yeah, do it the easy way, dismiss the sources. Hey, I can do the same! Use a blog as your source? Common man. :D
The same news as I posted can be found on multiple news sites, go Google yourself. :)
Why its the biggest? It shows what you want to hear, it simplifies the news for you, spinning it the way you want it.. Read one of the sites I listed, it explains why Fox has grown so big.
This is a very dangerous development for the free press, indeed it is.
Goodnight. :yawn:
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You still cling to bashing Fox News even though the discussion is about Al Jazeera... this really is sad.
You dismiss the facts that Al Jazeera incites radical Islam. Tell me which is more dangerous - a conservative US news channel or Al Jazeera? Tell me, how many suicide bombers has Fox News spawned by its reporting? How many beheadings? How many insurgents bent on killing anyone who opposes their views?
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I am willing to bet that 99.999% of Americans have never even seen Al Jazeera. I wouldn\'t know where to go if I even WANTED to watch it. Maybe Starbucks? ;)
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An example about AL-J is regarding Iraq...they never actually say the Americans. I think invaders or occupants is the word they ONLY use.
Fox is right wing. Big deal. Al-J promotes terrorism.
Saddening people are giving them props..
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You still cling to bashing Fox News even though the discussion is about Al Jazeera... this really is sad.
You dismiss the facts that Al Jazeera incites radical Islam. Tell me which is more dangerous - a conservative US news channel or Al Jazeera? Tell me, how many suicide bombers has Fox News spawned by its reporting? How many beheadings? How many insurgents bent on killing anyone who opposes their views?
If Al Jazeera didn\'t report the beheadings, how would we ever know what happens to our soldiers?
You seem to be very sure of the connection between Al Jazeera and their influence of the radical Islamic groups. You still fail to show how any of their reports have prompted more attacks and I still have to see anything that can connect an attack to an Al Jazeera news report.
You\'re clinging on protecting your own and narrow view point while bashing the other view point to this war...now that is sad.
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Originally posted by Weltall
So far as I remember, Fox News hasn\'t aired any videos from Americans telling American citizens to go out and slaughter innocent Muslim civilians, or threatening to kill us if we vote.
I mean, if that means I just missed it, by all means, let me know.
Honestly, our enemies don\'t hate all Americans. They know some of them are helping their cause over here.
Now go kiss a terrorist for me.
I\'ve never been to the Al Jazeera site. So can you show me a report or video where they have done such a thing. And please, show me a report done by the journalist at Al Jazeera themselves and not a video that they were handed by a terrorist groups.
How are "some of them" helping their cause "over here"?
Not supporting your side?
That is a pretty lame excuse.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I\'ve never been to the Al Jazeera site. So can you show me a report or video where they have done such a thing. And please, show me a report done by the journalist at Al Jazeera themselves and not a video that they were handed by a terrorist groups.
How are "some of them" helping their cause "over here"?
Not supporting your side?
That is a pretty lame excuse.
Hello computer.
My point is that by giving airtime to the terrorist videos, they are allowing the terrorists to get their message out to the world at large, and to their followers and sympathizers in general, which only hinders our goal.
I never said Al-J themselves made the videos. They themselves are not terrorists, but they are tools of terrorists, and that\'s not really so much better.
As for how liberals are helping their cause? Easy. You\'re trying to divide and polarize this nation. You spout some of the same propaganda, about how we\'re an evil nation that deserves to be attacked for our arrogance and belligerence, about how the war is really an effort to inslave Islam and steal all the oil from Iraq. You hold protests in the streets claiming the right to free speech, all the while hindering the right of normal, non-treasonous Americans to go about their daily business without having to detour around you. You\'re saying we have no business interfering with their activities. Like them, you despise a capitalist, Christian nation, and you want the entire world to be \'balanced\' at our considerable expense.
It was a surprise to no one when America\'s enemies openly wished for John Kerry\'s victory in November, because with a mincing, spineless sack of shit like that running the White House, our enemies would be able to do whatever they damn well pleased, knowing there\'s no way America would use force ever again.
Harsh words, maybe, but fully justified. You can\'t agree with the terrorists de facto, perform activites that directly strengthen their will and resolve to fight us and kill our soldiers, and try to claim you\'re not a traitor in a time of war.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Hello computer.
My point is that by giving airtime to the terrorist videos, they are allowing the terrorists to get their message out to the world at large, and to their followers and sympathizers in general, which only hinders our goal.
I never said Al-J themselves made the videos. They themselves are not terrorists, but they are tools of terrorists, and that\'s not really so much better.
As for how liberals are helping their cause? Easy. You\'re trying to divide and polarize this nation. You spout some of the same propaganda, about how we\'re an evil nation that deserves to be attacked for our arrogance and belligerence, about how the war is really an effort to inslave Islam and steal all the oil from Iraq. You hold protests in the streets claiming the right to free speech, all the while hindering the right of normal, non-treasonous Americans to go about their daily business without having to detour around you. You\'re saying we have no business interfering with their activities. Like them, you despise a capitalist, Christian nation, and you want the entire world to be \'balanced\' at our considerable expense.
It was a surprise to no one when America\'s enemies openly wished for John Kerry\'s victory in November, because with a mincing, spineless sack of shit like that running the White House, our enemies would be able to do whatever they damn well pleased, knowing there\'s no way America would use force ever again.
Harsh words, maybe, but fully justified. You can\'t agree with the terrorists de facto, perform activites that directly strengthen their will and resolve to fight us and kill our soldiers, and try to claim you\'re not a traitor in a time of war.
If Al Jazeera DIDN\'T give them air time, where the hell would we be? If anything they are doing us a favor by letting the whole world know exactly what to expect, who to attack and who to look for. Al Jazeera might be viewed as a tool for that reason but your accusations are mere assumptions about how the terrorist feel about Al Jazeera. In fact, alot of terrorist groups call for the end of Al Jazeera because they believe they are supporting the west.
Liberals are trying to divide and polarize this nation?
Is there a FoxNews report I can watch so I can have pictures to go along with the rest of your "opinion"?
I don\'t ever recall fighting for a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, abortion or trying to privatize Social Security. I don\'t ever see Bush trying to reach to the Democrats only to those that "support our goals" D\'uh, you don\'t need to reach out to those that already support you!!
And the rest of your post. Nothing but right-wing dribble with no solid basis behind it. About the protesters, how else are we supposed to expose or show the world our position? We have no power anywhere else, this four years are Republican heaven.
I don\'t despise a capitalist nation. That is a very opinion slanted assumption. So, could you just stop with your barrage of made up accusations?
I would despise a Christian controlled nation. Say bye-bye to common sense.
American\'s enemies wished for John Kerry to win? Are you talking about Osama saying something along the lines off:
Doesn\'t matter who your president is. It\'s your foreign policy. You\'re all still full of shit.
I don\'t see how that is supporting a Democrat. Besides, would you really trust this guy to tell the truth. Maybe he wants GWB to win because he knows that GWB\'s actions have helped him out by spreading anti-Americanism throught the world.
I perform activities that help them? I\'m sorry for using my right of freedom of speech!
Yes, remind me later to send them some new AK\'s so that they can shoot down our soldiers. Wait, they don\'t need them, all they do is strap some C-4 and blow themselves up.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
What is there to address. There happen to be people, unlike you, who do not like to be spoonfed information by the government themselves. You turn on Faux News and spout off their political talking points like it is gospel. THat is no worse than someone turning on Al Jazeera and spouting off their talking points as gospel.
You have two organizations doing/saying everything in their power to give a biased view of what is really happening. To say that Al Jazeera should not be trusted because they are the supposed mouthpiece of Iraqis and then in the same breath say that Fox News SHOULD be trusted despite the fact that they are the mouthpiece of the republican party is in itself the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.
Many people watch both(mostly eurpoeans) because they figure the truth tends to lie somewhere in the middle. Of course you and people of your ilk like to see things in black and white. You never see the truth because it is usually somewhere in that gray area you refuse to acknowledge.
Damn... that\'s some of the most intelligent talk I\'ve heard on PSX2C in years, if not ever.
Kudos. :)
(BTW, I\'m sure that by agreeing with this I\'ve now been flagged by FBI as a terrorist. I\'ll pray to Allah for my protection.)
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Allah can eat my ass. *no offense* But I too agree with BS\'s post. *looks around with caution* (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finstagiber.net%2Fsmiliesdotcom%2Fcwm%2F3dlil%2Ferm.gif&hash=8b64de7ac204f4782d1297a7ca077d348f80ca47)
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Originally posted by Samwise
Damn... that\'s some of the most intelligent talk I\'ve heard on PSX2C in years, if not ever.
Kudos. :)
(BTW, I\'m sure that by agreeing with this I\'ve now been flagged by FBI as a terrorist. I\'ll pray to Allah for my protection.)
LOL
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Damn Weltall - keep beating down the leftist members on this board with your logical and well thought out posts... you are expressing the views of mainstream America - something these idiots seem not to comprehend.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You still cling to bashing Fox News even though the discussion is about Al Jazeera... this really is sad.
I mentioned Faux in the first post.
You dismiss the facts that Al Jazeera incites radical Islam. Tell me which is more dangerous - a conservative US news channel or Al Jazeera? Tell me, how many suicide bombers has Fox News spawned by its reporting? How many beheadings? How many insurgents bent on killing anyone who opposes their views?
Tell me, how many terrorists have al-Jazeera spawned, or how many beheadings? Do you have any facts that prove what you claim? Really, I want to know.
Tell me which is more dangerous - a conservative US news channel or Al Jazeera?
I tell you Faux is dangerous to the free press. They spinn so well that their viewers got some of the most basic things wrong.
- that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found
- that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq
- that world public opinion favored the US going to war with Iraq
Thats just one example, I\'d love to see more studies on the matter.
Damn... that\'s some of the most intelligent talk I\'ve heard on PSX2C in years, if not ever.
Kudos.
Agreed.. Black Samurai is probably my favourite poster right now (efter dig ;) ). :D
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Originally posted by fastson
Tell me, how many terrorists have al-Jazeera spawned, or how many beheadings? Do you have any facts that prove what you claim? Really, I want to know.
Al Jazeraa does in fact fuel the flames of radical Islam. The endless looping of video showing the Marine shooting the insurgent in the Falluhja is one example. Not reporting or spending any time on what crimes the terrorists commit is another. They glorify the insurgents and label them "freedom fighters". I don\'t need any statistics for this - it is common sense. Instead of reporting the good in Iraq - they focus on the bad to further fuel tensions in the region - why do you think the Iraqi interim government kicked them out of Iraq?
The footage they show and the number of times they show it, along with the news they don\'t show speaks volumes for the message they are trying to send.
Originally posted by fastson
I tell you Faux is dangerous to the free press. They spinn so well that their viewers got some of the most basic things wrong.
Like I said it is an obscure study, when did they do this poll? Right after news about Iraqi agents meeting with Al Qaeda was reported on all news channels, but before it was later recinded? People have opinions and apparently if they don\'t agree with yours they are dangerous. Fox a danger to free press? Get a clue. What is dangerous are people like you who wish to censor channels like Fox, yet praise Al Jazeera. :stick:
I also don\'t believe for one second you get your news from numerous sources both conservative and liberal. Your misguided beliefs contradict your claim.
Originally posted by fastson
Thats just one example, I\'d love to see more studies on the matter.
This is the problem with your links - they claim Americans are misinformed based on what the sites you link think is the truth. They don\'t know Saddam didn\'t have any WMD\'s. We may never know. They don\'t know if there was or wasn\'t a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
This topic has turned into an anti Fox News post, which I can now see you intended all along. Go ahead an cheer for Al Jazeera - soon it might be your one and only nightly newscast.
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Instead of reporting the good in Iraq - they focus on the bad to further fuel tensions in the region - why do you think the Iraqi interim government kicked them out of Iraq?
Kind of like how Fox sometimes ignore to report on the “bad” news that happens to for example the republican party? I’ve read it countless of times (like the time when Kerry was going to do a speech, and Fox suddenly had a technical problem only showing the last few seconds of his speech, but they had no problems what so ever when Bush was on?), it would not surprise me if they ignore some of the bad news that come out of Iraq.
Why the interim government kicked them out? I don’t know, but I do know they have been kicked out of several Muslim countries for having “pro-US” and “Pro-Israeli” views.. See how the image of al-Jazeera differs depending on where you stand? The radical right think they are anti-american, the radical islamists think they are pro-american.
One thing is sure, al-Jazeera stirs up a lot of feelings, just like it should be.
I also don\'t believe for one second you get your news from numerous sources both conservative and liberal. Your misguided beliefs contradict your claim.
I don’t care if you do not believe me. Misguided, according to whom? You? :laughing:
I watch 4 different channels for news (SVT1&2, TV4, CNN)
I go to al-Jazeera (the English site), news.yahoo.com, Aftonbladet (newspaper, leaning left), SvD (newspaper, leaning right) and Expressen (liberal, right), and a local paper, Barometern (moderate)
Then I draw my own conclusions.
This is the problem with your links - they claim Americans are misinformed based on what the sites you link think is the truth.
No, they claim Fox News viewers have an erroneous view of what is going in in Iraq.
-that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found – IIRC the 9/11 said there were no links between Iraq/Saddam and al-Q
- that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq – They haven’t, so they have a false view on the subject. In fact, didn’t they recently announce that they have given up the search for WMD?
- that world public opinion favoured the US going to war with Iraq – The majority of the world didn’t, so they have false view on this.
Here is the full report if you want to read it. http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf
This topic has turned into an anti Fox News post, which I can now see you intended all along. Go ahead an cheer for Al Jazeera - soon it might be your one and only nightly newscast.
Eurabia, right? :D
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Originally posted by fastson
One thing is sure, al-Jazeera stirs up a lot of feelings, just like it should be.
Seems Fox does too - but somehow you have a problem with that. :rolleyes:
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All I know is that if you only ever see one side of a situation and/or only talk to people with the same opinion as yourself, you\'ll have a sad boring life.
Personally I try to see things holistically. I like my views challenged, even if I don\'t agree with what I hear. That\'s only healthy IMO.
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Originally posted by fastson
Kind of like how Fox sometimes ignore to report on the “bad” news that happens to for example the republican party? I’ve read it countless of times (like the time when Kerry was going to do a speech, and Fox suddenly had a technical problem only showing the last few seconds of his speech, but they had no problems what so ever when Bush was on?), it would not surprise me if they ignore some of the bad news that come out of Iraq.
From what I saw it was pretty fair coverage for both candidates. They didn\'t show all of Bush\'s speeches, just as they didn\'t show all of Kerry\'s. Also since you aren\'t American I will explain to you that during the campaign the candidates stuck to one speech for days on end and only changed it depending on current affairs or other news. So if you heard Bush or Kerry speak one a time a week, there really was no need to see it again for the 20th time.
What has Fox News ignored that was bad in Iraq? What event did they not report on that was reported by other news sources?
Your agrument that Fox News is dangerous to the freedom of press is hollow.
Originally posted by fastson
Why the interim government kicked them out? I don’t know, but I do know they have been kicked out of several Muslim countries for having “pro-US” and “Pro-Israeli” views.. See how the image of al-Jazeera differs depending on where you stand? The radical right think they are anti-american, the radical islamists think they are pro-american.
Don\'t know why they were closed? I thought you were an informed person who claims to read Al Jazeera\'s website on a regular basis?
Earlier this month, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hushiar Zibari criticised Aljazeera, the Saudi-funded Al-Arabiya and other Arab and Iranian stations for their coverage of Iraq, and threatened to close their Baghdad offices.
Zibari said Aljazeera, Al-Arabiya, the Lebanese Hizb Allah\'s Al-Manar television and Iran\'s Al-Alam were "channels of incitement working against the interests, security and stability of the Iraqi people".
He added: "We will no longer tolerate this in the future."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9C888134-9481-485A-A675-DD3C50DA224D.htm
Originally posted by fastson
One thing is sure, al-Jazeera stirs up a lot of feelings, just like it should be.
By all means incite more people to kill other people. Great!
Originally posted by fastson
I don’t care if you do not believe me. Misguided, according to whom? You? :laughing:
I watch 4 different channels for news (SVT1&2, TV4, CNN)
I go to al-Jazeera (the English site), news.yahoo.com, Aftonbladet (newspaper, leaning left), SvD (newspaper, leaning right) and Expressen (liberal, right), and a local paper, Barometern (moderate)
Then I draw my own conclusions.
Another typical "I am European and therefore I am intellectually superior to you" response. Look at what you claim... you say you read:
Al Jazeera - anti American (which has the same goal as the left)
Yahoo News (which includes Reuters) - left leaning
Aftonbladet - you say is left leaning
Expressen - liberal tabliod which you claim is liberal, right?:
http://bibl.sh.se/baltic/subject.asp?a=7
Barometern - who knows - its a local paper, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that is tells it down the middle.
SvD - conservative.
Adding all of that up - it looks like your have a heavy left leaning slant to the news you get. The sad fact is, you are no more open minded than I am. So much for your claim that you get news from all sources and then find the truth somewhere in the middle. You find the truth where you want to find it - in the left leaning media you read 4 times as much as you do right leaning media.
Originally posted by fastson
No, they claim Fox News viewers have an erroneous view of what is going in in Iraq.
-that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found – IIRC the 9/11 said there were no links between Iraq/Saddam and al-Q
- that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq – They haven’t, so they have a false view on the subject. In fact, didn’t they recently announce that they have given up the search for WMD?
- that world public opinion favoured the US going to war with Iraq – The majority of the world didn’t, so they have false view on this.
Here is the full report if you want to read it. http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf
The study is irrelevant for the fact that it keeps taking increments of time when certain news was available and taking polls after the news was reported, then when new news came out they claim Americans had a misperception about everything you listed when that is not the case. I also like how the poll claims Fox News as being the ring leader in this misperception claim when all of the major US news outlets along with most international news reports were reporting the exact same thing in regards to news coming out of Iraq. You can\'t even name an instance where Fox News has solely and purposely misreported news. If you want to see that look up CBS News.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
If Al Jazeera DIDN\'T give them air time, where the hell would we be? If anything they are doing us a favor by letting the whole world know exactly what to expect, who to attack and who to look for. Al Jazeera might be viewed as a tool for that reason but your accusations are mere assumptions about how the terrorist feel about Al Jazeera. In fact, alot of terrorist groups call for the end of Al Jazeera because they believe they are supporting the west.
Oh, come on. Do you really think they\'re airing these for OUR benefit? Well, considering what your aims are, maybe you really do.
Liberals are trying to divide and polarize this nation?
Is there a FoxNews report I can watch so I can have pictures to go along with the rest of your "opinion"?
Probably. You really don\'t need pictures on a TV though, because you\'re acting it out in your own life. Why watch it on TV when you have something as valuable as first-hand experience?
I don\'t ever recall fighting for a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, abortion or trying to privatize Social Security. I don\'t ever see Bush trying to reach to the Democrats only to those that "support our goals" D\'uh, you don\'t need to reach out to those that already support you!!
Those are common-sense initiatives. You people fight them with wild, zany zeal because you people want to undermine our society as much as possible, thus, your divisive tactics.
And the rest of your post. Nothing but right-wing dribble with no solid basis behind it. About the protesters, how else are we supposed to expose or show the world our position? We have no power anywhere else, this four years are Republican heaven.
Here\'s a thought: Grow the hell up. Children protest everything they don\'t like, and so do liberals. You people protest just for the sake of protesting, and while you aren\'t changing anything, you are proving the annoyance factor of stupid people in numbers.
There are problems out there, but liberals never offer solutions. They just complain about the problems and find someone to blame, be it Christians, Jews, gun-owners, or white people in general. Protests are worthless unless there is some sort of intellectual movement behind them. The trouble is, liberals have no answers for anything, so they cover up their ineptitude like all stupid people do: by being loud, obnoxious assholes and doing it where everyone will see you.
I don\'t despise a capitalist nation. That is a very opinion slanted assumption. So, could you just stop with your barrage of made up accusations?
Not until you show me a reason to believe otherwise. Simply saying so isn\'t enough, considering your opinions when they are less-carefully bridled.
I would despise a Christian controlled nation. Say bye-bye to common sense.
Liberals dispise Christians in general. All the while embracing radical Muslims and their aims. I don\'t get it.
American\'s enemies wished for John Kerry to win? Are you talking about Osama saying something along the lines off:
Doesn\'t matter who your president is. It\'s your foreign policy. You\'re all still full of shit.
I don\'t see how that is supporting a Democrat. Besides, would you really trust this guy to tell the truth. Maybe he wants GWB to win because he knows that GWB\'s actions have helped him out by spreading anti-Americanism throught the world.
That\'s just retarded, and the sad thing is that you actually believe it. You think what Osama really wants is soldiers to kill? No. He wants to bring western society, and America in particular, to ruin. And nothing will help him achieve his goal faster than weakening us from the inside with the brand socialist liberal cancer John Kerry would undoubtedly have affected us with.
I perform activities that help them? I\'m sorry for using my right of freedom of speech!
It is a right that is often abused. You people use \'free speech\' to harm the nation that embodies it. Sometimes I would love for the Sedition Acts to be reinstated in wartime.
Yes, remind me later to send them some new AK\'s so that they can shoot down our soldiers. Wait, they don\'t need them, all they do is strap some C-4 and blow themselves up.
If liberals were honest enough to drop their pretenses, they\'d be strapping on the explosives right next to them.
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From what I saw it was pretty fair coverage for both candidates. They didn\'t show all of Bush\'s speeches, just as they didn\'t show all of Kerry\'s.
Still, a lot of people on other English forums were pissed off about it. Also hearing the constant mockering of democrats does not make anything better (what was it, Kerry looking French, Kerry being a snob? What does that have to do with anything on a serious news station?).
What has Fox News ignored that was bad in Iraq? What event did they not report on that was reported by other news sources?
Perhaps not ignoring as much, but giving certain negative news lesser time on the air, making the whole situation looking better than it really is, spinning. You say I live in a dream world, then what is Fox creating with its reporting?
Don\'t know why they were closed? I thought you were an informed person who claims to read Al Jazeera\'s website on a regular basis?
I do, but I cant remember any specific news post about it.
Looking at Wikipedia though I have found among other things them being banned from reporting on government activities in Iraq since 2003 for airing messages from the Iraqi resistance. Also banned in Bahrain for being pro-israel. Also it has been criticized by Muslims for giving Israelis air time.
Strange.
Another typical "I am European and therefore I am intellectually superior to you" response. Look at what you claim... you say you read:
Always the EU vs US with you?
Adding all of that up - it looks like your have a heavy left leaning slant to the news you get. The sad fact is, you are no more open minded than I am. So much for your claim that you get news from all sources and then find the truth somewhere in the middle. You find the truth where you want to find it - in the left leaning media you read 4 times as much as you do right leaning media.
Im sorry I cant make the figures 50/50, but those are the news sources I trust. I don’t understand how you can think you know how I think and what kind of stance I take on the news based on the little I write on these forums?
Btw news.yahoo.com has lots of different sources, Routers being one but also AP. They also collect links from outside sources, like the Washington post, USATODAY, Chicago Tribune, and so on, just look at the main page.
The study is irrelevant for the fact that it keeps taking increments of time when certain news was available and taking polls after the news was reported, then when new news came out they claim Americans had a misperception about everything you listed when that is not the case.
Really? Weird that no one else has reacted to this?
Did you read the full report? When was it said that WMD had been found? It was never said, ignoring the false alarms Fox News always reported on which were cleared up usually within a few days, or did Fox “forget” to report this, thus leading to the Fox viewer thinking weapons had been found? They took polls at different time periods, all is shown in the PDF file I linked to earlier.
World favour, the world was never in favour of the attack, how this can have been reported in a positive way I don’t know, only the spin doctors can.
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Originally posted by fastson
Always the EU vs US with you?
Thats not what he said at all.
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Originally posted by Weltall
Oh, come on. Do you really think they\'re airing these for OUR benefit? Well, considering what your aims are, maybe you really do.
Probably. You really don\'t need pictures on a TV though, because you\'re acting it out in your own life. Why watch it on TV when you have something as valuable as first-hand experience?
I don\'t know how much you like to be blinded by a bunch of propagandistic, "patriotic" and Pro-Bush nonsense. If one of our soldiers is captured and threatened, then I think it\'s our right and the parent\'s right to know. According to you, we shouldn\'t even know about this kinds of things. The American media won\'t report it because it would draw fire from blinded people like you accusing them of working with Osama because they decided to let the public know that it isn\'t all roses and ponies in Iraq.
Originally posted by Weltall
Those are common-sense initiatives. You people fight them with wild, zany zeal because you people want to undermine our society as much as possible, thus, your divisive tactics.
Here\'s a thought: Grow the hell up. Children protest everything they don\'t like, and so do liberals. You people protest just for the sake of protesting, and while you aren\'t changing anything, you are proving the annoyance factor of stupid people in numbers.
Common-sense initiatives? Abortion and gay marriage are NOT common-sense. Those "initiatives" are based on a personal opinion held by Christian groups who have strong influence on the GOP. The Social Security plan is putting money on the hands of people and trusting them to put it to good use while leaving those that depend on Social Security to trust those people to actually keep the system alive.
"Grow the hell up" LOL. That is just hilarious to me. It\'s funny to me how you continue to label every Democrat as liberal in order to connotate some negative feeling into your accusing and moronic posts. You post as if the Republican party doesn\'t ever protest or have done such things in the past. Protests are in fact obstructive, but if there is no other way to express concern for the direction this country is heading, then so be it. It\'s sad to think that you really believe that protesters only protest for the sake of protesting. I\'m sure you would say the same if the Democrats had a a commanding control of government and your young Republicans were protesting also.
Originally posted by Weltall
There are problems out there, but liberals never offer solutions. They just complain about the problems and find someone to blame, be it Christians, Jews, gun-owners, or white people in general. Protests are worthless unless there is some sort of intellectual movement behind them. The trouble is, liberals have no answers for anything, so they cover up their ineptitude like all stupid people do: by being loud, obnoxious assholes and doing it where everyone will see you.
Not until you show me a reason to believe otherwise. Simply saying so isn\'t enough, considering your opinions when they are less-carefully bridled.
Yes, all people do that you know. All people find scape goats. It\'s surprising to read that from you though. Democrats have a long and thought out plan for this country. The problem, conservatives putting up idiotic posts about how those solutions have nothing to do with bombing people. The river flows both ways in that accusation. That is why there must be common ground for both parties to socialize and get policies straight that don\'t only benefit companies but the people also and vice-versa.
The Irony is also very shocking. You accuse liberals of blaming everybody else for our problems. Are you not the one that accuses liberals of fueling hate toward America? Are you not the one blaming liberals of almost helped the terrorist during 9/11? Are you not the one accusing liberals of polarizing this country?
Have you ever thought about what your side of the line is doing?
I highly doubt it, you mind has been set to believe that liberals are at fault for everything including a crack in your window. Which in turn really does nothing but help polarize this country.
Originally posted by Weltall
Liberals dispise Christians in general. All the while embracing radical Muslims and their aims. I don\'t get it.
That\'s just retarded, and the sad thing is that you actually believe it. You think what Osama really wants is soldiers to kill? No. He wants to bring western society, and America in particular, to ruin. And nothing will help him achieve his goal faster than weakening us from the inside with the brand socialist liberal cancer John Kerry would undoubtedly have affected us with.
It is a right that is often abused. You people use \'free speech\' to harm the nation that embodies it. Sometimes I would love for the Sedition Acts to be reinstated in wartime.
If liberals were honest enough to drop their pretenses, they\'d be strapping on the explosives right next to them.
No, I don\'t endorse radical Muslims. Damn, is everybody that doesn\'t see the same way you do through your blindfold this extreme with their accusations? It\'s really disturbing.
I actually think that Christianity, among other religions, help this world become and achieve many goals such as peace, prosperity and tolerations. The only problem is that Christians sometimes try to see if they can tangle everybody up on their own belief system and ideals.
I know Osama wants to see this country fall to ruins. He said it himself. But you are again accusing Kerry, as you do everybody that doesn\'t have a picture of GWB in their wallet, of being a terrorist loving, anti-American and Canadian liberal. Which is entirely your own misperception that doesn\'t even come close to reality.
I still fail to see, or you still fail to prove, that my use of freedom of speech hurts this country. You still fail to prove that anything that goes on within this country is somehow affecting the terrorist actions. You still fail to prove that terrorist are feeding off the group of Americans that actually demands the truth and justice. You still fail to prove that the war in Iraq isn\'t in anyway helping the terrorist ego\'s and ideals.
You have yet to prove anything. All I hear from you is your misguided, accusing and repulsive accusations that you have so dangerously set your believes to. In my opinion, it\'s those opinions that endorse the wide-spread anti-Americanism and the constant flow of attacks and insults against this country. Your opinions have made others lose respect for this country and respect is what this world revolves around with. Respect gets you allies, supporters and peace.
Note: I love capitalism and the way it has kept this market economy alive. I hate it when it allows companies to buy governments into making policies in their favor without taking concern for those that are governed.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Damn Weltall - keep beating down the leftist members on this board with your logical and well thought out posts... you are expressing the views of mainstream America - something these idiots seem not to comprehend.
The views of mainstream America are like Weltwall\'s and yours!?
Damn, this country is definately more f\'ed up than I thought.
Damn the mainstream!
Maybe I should also follow mainstream America. I mean, it isn\'t really proper for me not to allow my self to be devoured by the mainstream thinkers who seem to love kissing up to each other. I would really like that.
I would love to not be able to see anything from a different perspective but I would rather be blind and oblivious to everything else but what the mainstream wants me to see and believe.
It also seems very fun to "beat down" the "leftist members" with accusations and biased assumptions and have the liberty to label them "idiotic" It seems fun to acknowldege, love and be proud to label yourself as a narrow-minded, Omniscient and ignorantly biased American.
I would also love to be able to mold and shape what a true American citizen should be like according to the mainstream.
Where do I sign up?
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Mystiq do you know why liberals in this country are worthless? Because they can\'t tell good from evil - they see everything in gray. Liberals want to see us fail in Iraq and elsewhere and mainstream America is tired of the liberal negativity when it comes to anything they feel doesn\'t agree with their ideology.
Watching the State of the Union last night and seeing the "Demorats Response" afterward was amusing - Pelosi spouting off about foreign policy and Iraq had me rolling on the floor... She actually referred to our troops in Iraq as "occupiers" 2 days ago and then proceeded to say what the Dems would do to make Iraq safer... pretty good comedy... considering everything she brought up is already being done. The Democrats are the party of "no" and showing their immaturity by trying to block programs and nominees just because Bush has either introduced legislation or nominated them.
To top it off on Hannity and Colmes the star guest was Al Sharpton!!!! Fox News biased? Hardly, the non cable networks don\'t broadcast the Dem Response and the headliner for Hannity and Colmes was one of the most high profile liberals in the country.
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I heard Al Jazeera is planning on launching an English speaking station as an alternative to CNN, BBC etc. Ì predict it\'ll be GigaShadow\'s new favorite station. ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Mystiq do you know why liberals in this country are worthless? Because they can\'t tell good from evil - they see everything in gray. Liberals want to see us fail in Iraq and elsewhere and mainstream America is tired of the liberal negativity when it comes to anything they feel doesn\'t agree with their ideology.
I\'m still delightfully amused at your constant and boring accusations of liberals wanting nothing but evil for this country?
You have nothing. You have your own misconception that was molded by those like GWB, FoxNews and your narrow-minded view of the world.
I would still LOVE to see you prove anything you state abour liberals without "reading between the lines" with bias like many of your counterparts seem to love to do.
Mainstream America has created drones incapable of being able to withstand and acknowledge that not everything is seen with the same eyes.
In any case, "mainstream" America suffers from the same problems you stated. You see anything that doesn\'t agree with your ideology as "negative" and only sponsor those ideas that the "mainstream" offers.
I never liked the Democrat\'s response during those things. Their facial expressions are so static. I really loved what Bush said though and like you I laughed throught most of the speech. His spout on education and all this other bull crap was more than likely written by professional comedians. And it was pretty lame to try get tears drawn by having that one Iraqi there. Last time I checked, people like you Giga, the mainstream, wouldn\'t give a damn if the rest of the world died as long as your mainstream goals are met.
Also...non-cable news stations broadcasted the Dem\'s response, the Democrats even had a spanish version of it come out on the spanish channels. Definately a plus in my book.
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Spanish channels, don\'t get us started.
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Ok...?
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one thing is fo sho...those spanish channels has some hot lookin latino chicks...damn hot tamales...(spel) :p
oh and giga..i saw the very end of that clip with Al Shrapton...i was surprised to see him on there! :p wish i could\'ve seen the whole interview with him...and i would comment on the topic at hand, but it\'s 2:40 am....right now i\'am in zombie mode....
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Ok...?
Haha, oh nothing.