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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Evi on February 07, 2005, 11:37:34 PM
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PlayStation 3 to be unveiled before E3
American Sony reps confirm that there will be an event to premiere its next-generation system before the May game-industry convention.
Last year, Sony announced it would debut its next-generation console--most commonly called the PlayStation 3--at the 2005 E3 games expo. The event will take place May 18 to 20 at the Los Angeles Convention Center, and will also be where the world will get the first glimpse of Nintendo\'s next-generation console, code-named "Revolution." With it now looking unlikely that Microsoft will unveil the Xbox\'s successor at next month\'s Game Developers\' Conference in San Francisco, industry-watchers had been betting it will also first see the light of day at E3.
However, now it appears those bets may not be such a sure thing. Sony Computer Entertainment America representatives have confirmed to GameSpot that the US subsidiary of the Japanese electronics giant "will have an event to premier [its] next-generation system" before E3.
SCEA reps would reveal little else about the PlayStation 3 unveiling other than saying it would not be at GDC. "The premiere event has nothing to do with GDC," said one. "The event will be before E3, but the date is still not announced."
Sony\'s disclosure about the PlayStation 3 premiere came just hours after it officially took the wraps off the Cell processor, which the PS3 will use, at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference in San Francisco. For a full run-down on the Cell processor\'s capabilities, check out GameSpot Hardware\'s feature on the chip.
By Tor Thorsen -- GameSpot
POSTED: 02/07/05 06:29 PM PST
Source (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/07/news_6118152.html)
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Does this mean GT4 will be on PS3 instead?
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They\'re showing it off before E3, not launching the system. It won\'t be out until 2006. And do you mean GT5?
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
They\'re showing it off before E3, not launching the system. It won\'t be out until 2006. And do you mean GT5?
He was prolly just kidding with all the delays and stuff.
BTW, red text on a black background is not cool.
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Its PINK-red you idiot! :D
Btw, people are saying it will be shown in March, if Sony is going by the same schedule as they did with ze PEESS ZWEI.
Looking forward to seeing this little monster, the CELL processor is just too much, power is awesome, awesome is power.
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I think Orange-Red looks better on black background. Just my opinion.
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New Xbox and PS3.... going to be some of the most exciting times in console gaming
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It\'s actually Crimson, but anyway... ;)
New Xbox and PS3.... going to be some of the most exciting times in console gaming
I\'m swinging more towards the PS3...
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Crimson doesn\'t stand out on black background. orange-red stands out more...:p
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*goes and changes crappy color*
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Thinks back to the "Emotion Engine":rolleyes:
I\'m not even looking forward to E3 this year, I have a feeling all I\'m going to see are some pretty tech demos that don\'t actually demonstrate practical game performance.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Thinks back to the "Emotion Engine":rolleyes:
I\'m not even looking forward to E3 this year, I have a feeling all I\'m going to see are some pretty tech demos that don\'t actually demonstrate practical game performance.
Probably. I dont know how ill react now but when all that EE, GS bull was hitting the scene, they had me going. I was all about it and honestly i wasnt let down too much - considering i didnt own a dreamcast before (though i played it) and the thought of owning a next gen system (sony\'s at that) was too enticing.
I dont care if PS3 Debuts before or at E3 but i sure hope its all its cracked up to be ( to some degree). I know the demos probably wont show the true power (as usual) but they will be sexy to look at - not to mention fun to pick apart and debate about *things of the beginning of psx2central and even ps2web*
*Sigh*
Im not going to die if its unveiling is less than stellar but im hoping.
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What I don\'t get is why people are jumping up and down about Cell technology, especially when they know little to nothing about it. It\'s unproven tech at this point and could fall wayward like so much other technology.
I\'m not bashing PS3 or Sony, there\'s NOTHING to talk about at this point, I\'m just wondering what all the fuss is about?
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Originally posted by Ginko
What I don\'t get is why people are jumping up and down about Cell technology, especially when they know little to nothing about it. It\'s unproven tech at this point and could fall wayward like so much other technology.
I\'m not bashing PS3 or Sony, there\'s NOTHING to talk about at this point, I\'m just wondering what all the fuss is about?
Its what most think the next gen might look like, accompanied by the fact that the next gen always has something interesting, if not incredible (by some people\'s standards). There are some loose specs thrown around too and certain people (like those that love nvidia) are jumping at the possibilities.
Makes sense to me.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Its what most think the next gen might look like, accompanied by the fact that the next gen always has something interesting, if not incredible (by some people\'s standards). There are some loose specs thrown around too and certain people (like those that love nvidia) are jumping at the possibilities.
Makes sense to me.
Those loose specs amount to nothing more than meaningless technical jargon considering that we don\'t know the full specifications of the system. Really, go and look through any current article regarding cell and then take a stab at what the true performance and implications amount to. There\'s nothing to be excited about at the moment.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Those loose specs amount to nothing more than meaningless technical jargon considering that we don\'t know the full specifications of the system. Really, go and look through any current article regarding cell and then take a stab at what the true performance and implications amount to. There\'s nothing to be excited about at the moment.
i agree ginks...i admit sony got me with their hype of the EE but now i know better..not just from sony but from all 3 companies, as we all know those tech demos mean nothing...when all the other aspects of making a game comes into play...lighting, framerate, texuring...and actual gameplay...that is what matters, i\'m not exited about this at all..just a wait and see for me...
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Originally posted by Ginko
What I don\'t get is why people are jumping up and down about Cell technology, especially when they know little to nothing about it. It\'s unproven tech at this point and could fall wayward like so much other technology.
I\'m not bashing PS3 or Sony, there\'s NOTHING to talk about at this point, I\'m just wondering what all the fuss is about?
How surprising hearing this from you. You try to come across as unbiased and hide the fact that you dislike Sony, but having read most of your posts since you joined, it\'s not very hard to see it. It colours off on almost every post you make.
If you\'d been reading the beyond3d.com forum for the past 6 months you\'d know a whole lot more about the whole architecture. I bet you\'d been wetting your pants if it was MS who had developed this chip with IBM. But seeing as it\'s Sony it\'s probably just hype right? Same old story. Because MS didn\'t hype the Xbox at all, right?
I personally don\'t get the people who always gets disappointed with things don\'t turning out exactly how they\'d imagine... If people are so god damn gullible that they believe anything that\'s printed in the media then tough luck, your mistake, not Sony\'s, not MS\' but just yours.
There\'s a WHOLE lot to talk about if you ask me. It\'s a very interesting design.
And what was wrong with the EE? It was and still is a very powerful CPU.
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Crikey....come on guys! it\'s gonna be a huge improvement over the PS2. That\'s what the fuss is all about. It\'s new. It\'s not an "off the shelf computer parts" like the Xbox. It\'s progression. Something MS is not exactly known for.
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PS2 was new as well
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Originally posted by Ginko
Those loose specs amount to nothing more than meaningless technical jargon considering that we don\'t know the full specifications of the system. Really, go and look through any current article regarding cell and then take a stab at what the true performance and implications amount to. There\'s nothing to be excited about at the moment.
I understand what youre saying but id still have to dissagree. Forgive me for not stating my reasons but im not in the mood to argue/debate right now.
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we could probably make the assumption that the PS3 will probably have some of the same characteristics of the PSP. same materials/color scheme.
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WOW!!! Check out this first screenshot released of what the PS3\'s pixel shader and built-in fur rendering software is capable of!!!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages6.fotki.com%2Fv76%2Fphotos%2F1%2F128672%2F954895%2FDSCF0021-vi.jpg&hash=1976a08936c1d83de3cde222519c13ec49924d41)
Simply Stunning!
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*doesn\'t laugh*
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I\'m just trying to jump-start the hypemobile.
Llama hater.
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Good to see I\'m not the only jaded consumer post-ps2 release. :) There is NO need for excitement until we see something from the PS3 on gametrailers.com.
Sure the EE had insane specs for its time and could handle much more floating point calculations than PC processors, but it only had 4mb of vram, it\'s the worst system for supporting surround sound/progressive-widescreen HDTVs, and it usually has the worst port of a multi-platform game.
I\'m sure it will be a kickass system compared to what\'s out there now, just saying don\'t let the hype get the best of you.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Thinks back to the "Emotion Engine":rolleyes:
I\'m not even looking forward to E3 this year, I have a feeling all I\'m going to see are some pretty tech demos that don\'t actually demonstrate practical game performance.
You know, despite all hype and all, the Emotion Engine remains a very impressive achievements for its time. It far surpassed other solutions in raw performance easily and was just somewhat limited by the MIPS Core. Even today, the Emotion Engine is a beast compared to what the other console\'s are offering and is only limited by the Graphics Synthesizer which, although incredible fast, is only a simplistic rasterizer.
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Originally posted by seven
You know, despite all hype and all, the Emotion Engine remains a very impressive achievements for its time. It far surpassed other solutions in raw performance easily and was just somewhat limited by the MIPS Core. Even today, the Emotion Engine is a beast compared to what the other console\'s are offering and is only limited by the Graphics Synthesizer which, although incredible fast, is only a simplistic rasterizer.
*Pretends like this is "You Got Served" and thows arms in the air*
Thats right!
*take it with a grain of salt*
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I think we\'re going to have damn great looking games no matter what the specs are. Just enjoy the awesome visuals that await us in the future. ;)
I hope you didn\'t pay to go see "You Got Served"
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Originally posted by JP
How surprising hearing this from you. You try to come across as unbiased and hide the fact that you dislike Sony, but having read most of your posts since you joined, it\'s not very hard to see it. It colours off on almost every post you make.
If you\'d been reading the beyond3d.com forum for the past 6 months you\'d know a whole lot more about the whole architecture. I bet you\'d been wetting your pants if it was MS who had developed this chip with IBM. But seeing as it\'s Sony it\'s probably just hype right? Same old story. Because MS didn\'t hype the Xbox at all, right?
I personally don\'t get the people who always gets disappointed with things don\'t turning out exactly how they\'d imagine... If people are so god damn gullible that they believe anything that\'s printed in the media then tough luck, your mistake, not Sony\'s, not MS\' but just yours.
There\'s a WHOLE lot to talk about if you ask me. It\'s a very interesting design.
And what was wrong with the EE? It was and still is a very powerful CPU.
blah, blah, blah, JP
I\'ve been to the beyond3d forums quite a bit over the past few months and there\'s nothing solid about the PS3. I don\'t care about Cell, the numbers being thrown around right now are NOT what we will see in PS3. Nvidia are the only ones hinting at possible performance but even then there\'s not alot to talk about.
I wouldn\'t be wetting my pants about MS, I\'d be sitting on the sidelines waiting to see something of real performance on finished hardware. Right now, as of this moment, there isn\'t any evidence as to what we will see with the PS3. I have no idea what to expect and I don\'t care to begin speculating based on some wanna-be tech heads\' assumptions.
Also, I wasn\'t disappointed with the EE, I was just amazed at how Sony made it such a big deal. I failed to see what was so special about it then and to this very day I don\'t see what sets it apart. Sony tacked on a "cool" name and ran with it.
EDIT: I know that MS plays the same game Sony does when it comes to spreading the word on their system. Remember the Xbox and 300 million triangles? That figure was later knocked down to 150 million triangles...anyway, neither of the figures are important because those are untextured, not anti-aliased, etc. Same with the 70 million figure from Sony. Are the machines capable of such numbers? Yes. When it comes down to actual game performance are we seeing the same numbers? No, not even remotely close.
So yay, the cell is scalable...woo hoo, I guess. What does it mean for me? What does it mean for the games I\'ll be playing? Don\'t give me a fucking guess or demo, show me a real game running on finished hardware. Until then I\'ll keep tossing all this theoretical crap aside and keep wondering what it is you guys are blowing your wads over.
JP, just so we\'re clear, and to keep your panties from going too much further up your ass, I have the same attitude toward MS and Nintendo.
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Originally posted by seven
You know, despite all hype and all, the Emotion Engine remains a very impressive achievements for its time. It far surpassed other solutions in raw performance easily and was just somewhat limited by the MIPS Core. Even today, the Emotion Engine is a beast compared to what the other console\'s are offering and is only limited by the Graphics Synthesizer which, although incredible fast, is only a simplistic rasterizer.
hugs seven
And it\'s those components that kept the proposed performance a pipe dream. I think we\'ll see a similar situation with what the Cell is capable of and what the PS3 will do.
Do I hope Sony fails? Not in the least bit, I\'ll be getting a PS3 for sure and I want it to be everything it can. Right now there\'s hardly a platform for discussion when it comes to talking specifically about the PS3 so until some solid specs and performance numbers are released regarding the PS3 I, again, think there\'s nothing to be excited about.
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Originally posted by juslight
WOW!!! Check out this first screenshot released of what the PS3\'s pixel shader and built-in fur rendering software is capable of!!!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages6.fotki.com%2Fv76%2Fphotos%2F1%2F128672%2F954895%2FDSCF0021-vi.jpg&hash=1976a08936c1d83de3cde222519c13ec49924d41)
Simply Stunning!
*makes napoleon dynamite voice*
Yeessssssss.
Tina come get some ham!
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I need Gopher-Chucks!!
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No you dont.
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You don\'t like that movie?
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haha have you seen that dood on Leno? He talks the same way in real life.
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Yeah...he\'s a crazy bastard. ;) *ahem* Sooo...how about that PS3, eh? *cough*
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"It took me three hours to get the shading right on your upper lip."
Did you guys watch the deleted scenes? The kickball game was the funniest!
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Yeah, I agree with that PS3 comment you just made there.
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Ginko;
I\'ve been to the beyond3d forums quite a bit over the past few months and there\'s nothing solid about the PS3.
You know, you should be slapped silly for not posting there. :( ;)
...and while there\'s not much official about the PS3, it\'s quite interesting that the patents that have been part of discussion for various months are still in line with what has been revealed at ISSCC! :) Of course, the exact configuration of CELL is still unknown... but at least we have somewhat of knowlegde how the thing should function and where its strengths lie. The only question now is, how many PPEs will be in PS3, how much memory... and lastly, what\'s the deal on Nvidia\'s GPU!
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The basic principle behind Cell potential is multiple PPE\'s, right ?
Yeah, odds are high that Sony is only gonna put one PPE in there :rolleyes:
Nvidia\'s main role is i think developer tools ; making those for developers\' life as easy as possible.
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yeah, exactly. PPEs have an incredible bandwidth 76.8 GB/s FlexIO to othre chips.
The reason why PS3 might only have 1 PPE is because depending on the launch timeframe, 65nm may not be ready and a single PPE at 90nm is quite big already (200+ mm^2). If we want to see a double PPE on (on the same die) PS3, we need 65nm.
Maybe, we might see multiple PPEs, but not on the same die. It\'s all a cost perspective. One thing is clear though... even one PPE should be enough to outperform Xbox\'s CPU by quite a margin (60 - 80 GFLOPs compared to 256 GLOPs of one PPE)
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Well, recent news is that Intel managed to get 65nm running. If 65nm is Sony\'s plan I don\'t think they\'ll rush out 90nm Cells.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/10/intel_65nm_cpus/
Also, I don\'t think Sony is worrying all too much about MS, just look at how Xbox graphics are outperforming PS2 graphics for years yet MS can\'t get a grip on Japan sales dominance.
I think the Sony\'s gonna wait with actually producing PS3 ( of course, they\'re gonna show the concept model in May) and get their act straight with 65nm and at least 2 PPE\'s.
Imo Sony is more worried about Nintendo plus it\'s Ati ally. How do you think Nvidia will feel if Sony release a console with Nvidia\'s cooperation in it which isn\'t even up to it\'s minimum potential ? Nah... I don\'t believe for a nanosecond that PS3 will only have 1 single PPE.
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quite the contrary actually - I suspect Nvidia will be quite a beast simply because Sony will be using their fabs to produce them, giving them probably a process advantage (if they use 65nm that is).
Potentially, they could be using 65nm for the PPE(s) and the Nvidia GPU. ATi on the other hand should be around 90nm at the best from what I\'ve heard.
In all likelyhood, PS3 will sell regardless of how many PPE make it into the final system... which is why I\'m inclined to believe Sony will go with a less expensive system (1 or 2 PPE depending on the process) and break even in shorter time. Only time will tell though.
The more interesting topic at Beyond3d at the moment isn\'t exactly how many PPEs, but what conifguration we\'re likely to see. Will it be 1 PPE and 512 MB of memory - or 2 PPE with 256 MB? The more powerful the CPU is to be, the less money will be available for other stuff like memory. It\'s all about the perfect balance... and that is the big unknown factor.
Personally, I think textures will only take so far - I\'m more interested in number crunching for great physics and have games like Metal Gear Solid 2 or ZOE2 that have little texture variety but amazing effects like wind, rain etc making up for it.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I hope you didn\'t pay to go see "You Got Served"
Hell no.
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*Phew* ;) They need to stop making movies like that...but it keeps the stupid kids occupied.