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CNN.com is reporting Condoleeza Rice said Iran should shut down its nuke program or " \'the next steps are in the offing.\'
"And I think everybody understands what the \'next steps\' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/09/rice/index.html
She said:
But Rice on Friday said that the question of using military force against the Tehran regime "is simply not on the agenda at this point in time."
And:
"The message that we are giving to Iran: We do have diplomatic means at our disposal, we are doing this bilaterally as well as multilaterally, and I believe that a diplomatic solution is in our grasp, if we can have unity of purpose, unity of message with the Iranians and if the Iranians understand that the international community is quite serious about it living up to its obligations."
The bilateral and multilateral discussion thing is what Kerry proposed and Bush bawked at saying it just plain wasn\'t a good idea.
-Dan
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She is referring to UN Sanctions - like those work. :rolleyes:
The bilateral and multilateral discussion was mostly over North Korea.
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Oh yea. Can\'t keep my evil countries straight, heh.
-Dan
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
She is referring to UN Sanctions - like those work. :rolleyes:
The bilateral and multilateral discussion was mostly over North Korea.
Yeah, here we go again. This sounds so familiar...
UN Santions- The could work if certain democratic loving government would have stopped them before they got out of hand...
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
UN Santions- The could work if certain democratic loving government would have stopped them before they got out of hand...
What the fuck are you talking about? Really? Please, I realize English isn\'t your native language at home, but please try and construct a coherent sentence.
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Right, what we really need is to invade another Arabic country for WMD\'s.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
What the fuck are you talking about? Really? Please, I realize English isn\'t your native language at home, but please try and construct a coherent sentence.
I thought we couldn\'t curse in these forums anymore? Or that you hated racist and steryotyping remarks? Remarks that might make others label you as something you claim not to be.
Don\'t be a hypocrite please.
"UN Santions- The could work if certain democratic loving government would have stopped them before they got out of hand..."
Let me break it down for you people not used to verbal imagery:
"The could work" - Meant to write "They"
"certain democratic loving government" - Allusion to "The US"
"stopped them before they got out of hand" - The fact that they knew about the illegal oil selling deals, but stayed silent.
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Well if it comes to military action, at least we don\'t have to wait for our forces to get there like last time.
All we need to do is move them a few more miles to the east ;)
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I thought we couldn\'t curse in these forums anymore? Or that you hated racist and steryotyping remarks? Remarks that might make others label you as something you claim not to be.
Don\'t be a hypocrite please.
"UN Santions- The could work if certain democratic loving government would have stopped them before they got out of hand..."
Let me break it down for you people not used to verbal imagery:
"The could work" - Meant to write "They"
"certain democratic loving government" - Allusion to "The US"
"stopped them before they got out of hand" - The fact that they knew about the illegal oil selling deals, but stayed silent.
I didn\'t say you couldn\'t cuss in these forums - you were doing in almost every post for quite a while. Also don\'t whine to me about racist remarks when you constantly blame "rich whitey" for everything that is wrong in your life.
Lastly you sentence still makes no sense - especially the last part. I really have no idea where you are going with it.
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I like Condoleeza. That\'s all I have to say.
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Originally posted by Ace
I like Condoleeza. That\'s all I have to say.
Sexually ?
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Originally posted by ooseven
Sexually ?
Get that mind out of the gutter. :p
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What don\'t you Republicans have Physical sex or do you guys still get spawned from holes in the ground that lead straight to hell ;)
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Originally posted by ooseven
What don\'t you Republicans have Physical sex or do you guys still get spawned from holes in the ground that lead straight to hell ;)
Wouldn\'t you like to know. :rolleyes: :D
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Originally posted by Halberto
Right, what we really need is to invade another Arabic country for WMD\'s.
:laughing:...that is not gonna happen...trust no matter how many threats the u.s. throw at iran, they don\'t have the man power to do it...they are already stretched to their limit...well technically i guess they could invade, but at that point you might as well bring the draft back....
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clips - we already have plans to invade Iran and if we did, we would go in and destroy their atomic program and leave. No occupation. That is if we did it in a unilateral way. If the UN gets involved - it will be another Iraq with far less US troops involved in the aftermath.
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Yeah. It would be a quicky for the US, but it would still be expensive.
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so you honestly think it would be that easy? :rolleyes:...i think the u.s. has learned it\'s lesson from iraq, not to mention, do you really think iran would just let the u.s. walk quietly all over them? even if done unilaterly that would just cause another uproar in the arab world...also i think iran has threatned to lob some missles at israel if attacked....with everything that\'s goin on in iraq, i feel the u.s. is seriously bluffing on this one...
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Iraq had a bigger army than Iran. I can\'t believe you are implying that we had a difficult time with Iraq :rolleyes:, by saying we learned our lesson.
Iran\'s military is nothing compared to ours. A massive air campaign by the US would decimate their military. Saddam shot missles at Israel as well to no effect. If they did indeed do that - expect the Israeli airforce to make short work of Iran\'s missle launching sites.
I don\'t think the US is bluffing in the least - we have an army there already, but I do think it is a last resort. Oh and Iranians aren\'t Arab.
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Expanding on the issue...
Considering their best equipment is what we left behind--and most of it was destroyed in thier "war" with Iraq--what do they plan to throw at us? Their air-defense capabilities are almost non-existant, the same with its ground forces. Below is thier basic Order of Battle:
Four Armored Divisions
= 3 Armored + 1 Mech Brigades + Arty Brigade with four or five artillery battalions
Six Infantry Divisions
= Four Infantry Brigades + 1 Arty Brigade (Same)
One Airborne Brigade
Two Commando Brigades
Several Independent Brigades (Armored, Infantry)
Five Artillery Brigades (same)
1565 Tanks, including T-54/66 and PRC T-59, 65 T-62,480 T-72, 200 Chieftan, 150 M-47/47, 150 M-60 and 10 Iranian Zulfiqar. T-54/55/59 should total about 510 machines.
APC: 500 BTR 50/60, 250 M-113, 10 Boragh
AFIV: 350 BMP-1, 400 BMP-2
Arty: Towed and SP: Russian, Chinese, North Korean, and American, many types
Air Order of Battle
Bomber
SU-24 Fencer
Fighter
F-14 Tomcat
F-5E Tiger II (F-5E/F)
MiG-19 Farmer
MiG-29 Fulcrum
F-4 Phantom II
F-7/J-7 Airguard (J-7II)
Su-17/20/22 Fitter (Su-22)
Su-25 Frogfoot
Helicopter
UH-1 Huey
206 Jet Ranger
AH-1 Cobra
CH-47 Chinook
CH-53 Super Stallion
Model 214ST
Special
P-3 Orion
Trainer
T-33 Shooting Star
EMB-312 Tucano
PC-7 Turbo Trainer
Transport
C-130 Hercules
IL-76 Candid
Y-11 / Y12
Turbo Commander 690B
An-72A Coaler
Considering Iran\'s best strategy was human wave assults, I imagine we\'ll be retaking our embassy in less than 2 weeks if hostilities break out....
They warn us to not play with fire? Aren\'t they forgetting that the army they fought for 8 years and couldn\'t gain any ground on was the same one we rolled over in less than 2 weeks?
Further proof clips that we are looking into pounding Iran:
Cat and mouse game over Iran
By Richard Sale
The U.S. Air Force is playing a dangerous game of cat and mouse with Iran\'s ayatollahs, flying American combat aircraft into Iranian airspace in an attempt to lure Tehran into turning on air defense radars, thus allowing U.S. pilots to grid the system for use in future targeting data, administration officials said.
"We have to know which targets to attack and how to attack them," said one, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The flights, which have been going on for weeks, are being launched from sites in Afghanistan and Iraq and are part of Bush administration attempts collect badly needed intelligence on Iran\'s possible nuclear weapons development sites, these sources said, speaking on condition of strict anonymity.
"These Iranian air defense positions are not just being observed, they\'re being \'templated,\'" an administration official said, explaining that the flights are part of a U.S. effort to develop "an electronic order of battle for Iran" in case of actual conflict.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050126-iran-game.htm
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Iraq had a bigger army than Iran. I can\'t believe you are implying that we had a difficult time with Iraq :rolleyes:, by saying we learned our lesson.
Iran\'s military is nothing compared to ours. A massive air campaign by the US would decimate their military. Saddam shot missles at Israel as well to no effect. If they did indeed do that - expect the Israeli airforce to make short work of Iran\'s missle launching sites.
I don\'t think the US is bluffing in the least - we have an army there already, but I do think it is a last resort. Oh and Iranians aren\'t Arab.
i never stated the u.s. had a difficult time with iraq, as a matter a of fact i don\'t think anyone denied the fact that we would defeat them..my reason for saying that the u.s. has learned their lesson is that in which the way they implemented the war in iraq...everybody always states.."we will defeat them with our superior air power" :rolleyes:..that is true but at some point you have to put ground troops in there to clean up the mess...
i read your 2nd post after this one regarding the report about flights over iran and such...if the u.s. are truly thinkin of doing another pre-emptive attack, i think it would be poor judgement on thier part,..i just don\'t see them bombing targets in iran, then gettin the hell outa there, with iran not responding in some fashion...
the only way i see the u.s. doing this is unilaterly like you stated, but only with countries like germany china & russia involved, or have it set up with sanctions in which everyone will be in agreement with it..then i guess i can see the u.s. bombing iran in a similar fashion in the way they used to bomb strategic targets in iraq.....
oh one last detail...for the sake of agrument, let\'s just say i like to call those people in that part of the world arabs...
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IRANIANS ARE PERSIANS YOU GIMP! If you call them anything else, people will say you\'re an ignorant racist and anything you say isn\'t worth listening to at all. But other than that, I\'m mainly on your side of the argument.
Before people make any comparisons with the Iraqi Army of the 1980\'s and the Iraqi Army of 2003, they should remember the 1990\'s - where the Iraqi Army was severely weakenned by a decade of sactions and bombings. If the US goes into Iran now, it\'ll be a lot harder.
lah.