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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ginko on February 18, 2005, 09:32:21 AM
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Not everyone has to wait around to hear details of Microsoft’s sexy new Xbox 360—and now, thanks to Kotaku, neither do you. An exclusive Kotaku source has revealed a bevy of facts about the next-generation console set to rock the Xbox world.
The original Xbox was a manly chunk of square black-and-green plastic meant to win over a generation of hardcore male gamers. The Xbox 360° will be about winning over gamers of all persuasions, with a customizable look and a kindler, gentler Circle of Light marketing campaign.
Our inside source says that the console is a sleek silver device worthy of countertop display, and features an inhaled design that turns the harsh angles of the original Xbox into sweeps and curves. The device will also be able to stand upright or on it’s side, much like the Playstation 2. The side of the 360° is dominated by an oversized, back-lit power button called the ring of light, and the rest of the case can be customized with colorful designer face plates that pop on and off. The 360°s dashboard will also be customizable, making each console a thing totally unique to its owner.
Some of the inner workings of the 360° have also been confirmed. The device will feature high definition audio and video and wireless controllers, and will come in two flavors—one with a hard drive and one without. The biggest shock is that while Microsoft wants to make their 360° backwards compatible, they haven’t yet been able to pull it off.
“They’re working on it,” said our source.
I wasn’t able to get any pictures of the 360°, but Gizmodo’s Joel was kind enough to do a mock-up of it’s face plate for us.
Stay tuned for more next-generation revelations.
They couldn\'t get a picture but here\'s a mock-up...
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kotaku.com%2Fgaming%2Fimages%2F360mock1.jpg&hash=a5afea0379d72bd7348647bb757e1221083405ac)
meh...so far I\'m underwhelmed by the rumored name, though it has grown on me a bit over the past week or two since I heard it. The mock-up looks kinda of boring, imo.
I\'m still curious as to how the whole choice of HD or not is going to play out. I think the HD should be standard to allow developers to take advantage of it...
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no backwards compatibility = 3rd place
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Meh, nothing really great on Xbox now ;)
I\'m still curious as to how the whole choice of HD or not is going to play out. I think the HD should be standard to allow developers to take advantage of it...
The article says high defintion video as well as audio is there. PCs have been playing in higher-than HD resolutions, no reason why the next generation consoles should be sticking with crummy NTSC, other than a compatibility mode for Redneck Jones.
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I\'m really hoping it is backwards compatible, 2005 has an amazing line-up of Xbox games, imo, that I\'ll be catching up on well into next year.
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Originally posted by THX
The article says high defintion video as well as audio is there. PCs have been playing in higher-than HD resolutions, no reason why the next generation consoles should be sticking with crummy NTSC, other than a compatibility mode for Redneck Jones.
HD = harddrive. :)
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no backward compatibility is freaking huge. I guess they are just assuming people are going to want to keep the clunky piece of shit X-Box around just to play old stuff.
Then why make a sleak looking new one if that\'s the case?
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no can see mockup picture :(
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try refreshing the screen! Sometimes I can see, others I can\'t.
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I didnt know people were making such a big deal out of backwards compatibility these days. It wasnt anything huge before ps2 but i can see why people would preffer it.
Im not too thrilled by that mock up either. Its very bland, but i do like the fact that all the controllers are wireless. Only problems are batteries and battery life. Since rumble packs or w/e are standardly internal i cant imagine the batteries lasting forever.
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I think it\'ll look like a silver frisbee :D
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Originally posted by Samwise
HD = harddrive. :)
I toyed with that thought but:
"I\'m still curious as to how the whole choice of hard drive or not is going to play out."
...didn\'t make sense to me. But you\'re probably right in this case, as you always are, master.
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Originally posted by mm
no backwards compatibility = 3rd place
You know, once apon a time i would have agreed, but when u think about it. How many Ps1 games do u play on your ps2?
I have over 10 and i\'ve yet to play one.
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Ditto.
It works maybe a little better for Game Boy, but on consoles we buy a new one to have new games...
-Dan
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
You know, once apon a time i would have agreed, but when u think about it. How many Ps1 games do u play on your ps2?
I have over 10 and i\'ve yet to play one.
I play a decent amount of ps games and i enjoy the convenience of not having to drag around my ps and cables just to play them. Plus the ps2 memory card is a great place to store extra, unused ps saves.
While i dont need it, It would be a nice addition. Especially if i could play ps1,2&3 games. That would just be incredible.
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I play many PS1 games on my PS2, to name a few...
Marvel Super Heroes Vs. Streetfighter
Galerians
*FFVII, VIII, IX*
MGS
and it can go on. If the X Box isn\'t backward compatable then they\'re gonna be in trouble.
"sweeps and curves"
Loos like a damn oval to me..
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every week-end my GF play crash or Spyro on my ps2...
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i play a ton of PS1 games on my PS2
no PS2 game ever came close to TM2 co-op
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I guess i\'m just a emu whore. I tend to use epsxe for my psx games.. Does a far better job then ps2 could ever do.
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so your mates come over and play 2 player PSX games on your PC?
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We don\'t play any 2 player psx games.. I have far better 2 player console games on my DC and Ps2.
Or
we just setup a lan and play whatever pc games we want too.
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I am with mm partially.Some people love the convenience of being able to play their old PSX games on their PS2 console.It just doesnt seem the same on the PC for some people including me.
I love the fact that I just pop my cd in my console and play on the go.
Also something else that nobody took into consideration.
Although you compare the shift from PS1 to PS2 with backwards compatibility you forget that their is no PS2 emulator for the PC (and I doubt if we ever see one) and as far as I know there is no XBOX emulation either.Unlike back then we could play PS1 games on our PCs since 1998 if I am not mistaken.This doesnt happen with this generation
And so it seems the only option if you dont want to have 2 consoles (or 4 if you get both PS3 and XBOX2 and want to play older games on them) connected on your TV backwards compatibility sounds like a great deal.
Despite that though I dont think it will affect in the same degree the sales as it was with PS2 backwards compatibility.Although backwards compatibility is sure to help sales boosting.It just wont do it in the same degree
Right now people care about the technological brakethroughs and other offerings.
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exactly, companies are all about "my console can do what yours cant"
when they are missing the point
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There are ps2 emulators, they\'re not playing commercial games atm. There\'s also Xbox emulators.
ps2 emu (http://www.pcsx2.net/)
Xeon or Cxbx (http://www.caustik.com/cxbx/) being xbox emulators.
Only current console system that currently has a fully (well close too) working emulator is the DC. Chanka (http://chanka.emulatronia.com/FrameSetNewsAbout_News.htm) being that emu. But like anything, its not about if xbox or ps2 will be fully emulated, but when.
I\'m not saying its a bad idea, I\'m just saying for myself. It\'s just not a big problem.
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Thanks for the links Soully. From this day forward I will only download games on Bearshare and play them on these EMUs.
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Glad i could help. ;)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
There are ps2 emulators, they\'re not playing commercial games atm. There\'s also Xbox emulators.
ps2 emu (http://www.pcsx2.net/)
Xeon or Cxbx (http://www.caustik.com/cxbx/) being xbox emulators.
Only current console system that currently has a fully (well close too) working emulator is the DC. Chanka (http://chanka.emulatronia.com/FrameSetNewsAbout_News.htm) being that emu. But like anything, its not about if xbox or ps2 will be fully emulated, but when.
I\'m not saying its a bad idea, I\'m just saying for myself. It\'s just not a big problem.
Bu who;s going to choose an emulator that doesnt work well over a console with backwards compatibility?
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sigh.. i\'m not saying that. I simply said i use emulators over my old consoles simply because they\'re easier to use and normally look far better. Just as time goes along, ps2, xbox, dc emulators will end up having better graphics then the consoles. EpsxE does a far better job running psx games then psx does itself. Same with pretty much ever other console emulator thats the best in whatever console its emulating (not this gen... yet!)
I just find backwards compatibility a useless thing. I barely play older games and if i do, i\'ll just use emulators.
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they are more trouble than they are worth
turn on the console, and have a seat on the couch
don\'t get me wrong, PC\'s > consoles
but i\'ll never understand why people would go thru all that effort
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its not effort once you\'ve set it up.. Bin images are so much more faster then screwing around with cds.
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that\'s just rediculous
honestly
much simpler could it be?
1. insert disk
2. press power
3. grab beer
4. ????
5. profit!
here\'s a word for you, compatibility.
now if you\'re emu\'ing dead systems like NES, neo-geo, Tg-16, ect, thats ok.
but emu\'ing a buggy translation of PS2 and xbox games is just stupid.
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sigh.. i said older consoles. DC is the only current console that i emulate now.
Simple.
1. start emu
2. Choose image file
3. play game.
and whats more amazing, is that you can choose very quickly and change games faster then cds/carts.
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oh well excuse me for for thinking you linked to PS2 and xbox emu\'s a few posts earlier.
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that was in reply to Unicron! post about there not currently being any ps2 or xbox emulators and there probably never will be.
Try reading all the posts.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
sigh.. i\'m not saying that. I simply said i use emulators over my old consoles simply because they\'re easier to use and normally look far better. Just as time goes along, ps2, xbox, dc emulators will end up having better graphics then the consoles. EpsxE does a far better job running psx games then psx does itself. Same with pretty much ever other console emulator thats the best in whatever console its emulating (not this gen... yet!)
I just find backwards compatibility a useless thing. I barely play older games and if i do, i\'ll just use emulators.
Yeah I know.But I was mainly refering to the previous discussion on how important backwards comaptibility is.
Generally when it comes to choosing between an emulator (or a console without backwards compatibility) and a console with backwards compatibility the consumer will most likely choose the second option.
Even if someone has an emulator, backwards compatibility still sounds like a welcome feature.Having one console and a library of old and new games next to it is a plus and helps sales.But it wont do it in the same degree as previously.
But it sure strengthens the products name.Instead of giving the impression that the previous "product" died and got replaced by another newer one it continues to exist with it
This is generally my opinion on the matter
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Off course people generaly will buy consoles over downloading emulators, most of the market probably doesn\'t even know wtf a emulator is.
That goes without saying. You\'ll never see a console being sold with backwards compatibility with a sign saying. Why get this console to play your old games when u can just download a emulator.
I\'m speaking for a small amount of people that prefer emulators that increase performance over consoles that don\'t. My attitude towards the whole issue is its just a gimmick that most people probably barely use if at all.
Yet people are acting like if they don\'t included it, they\'re nuts. It would barely impact sales, with the user base being so large for ps2. The name would be enough to sell the system.
Think about it, how many consoles ever had it before ps2?
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the whole backwards play thing is overrated. It never was an issue til sony did it with ps2. It\'s too costly and it\'s not needed. It never was an industry norm before so lets not make it one now.
I for one am excited about the wireless pads in X2. I think it will be great if it comes off right.
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atari 5200 and 7800 had backwards compatibility
who wants to keep a big ass xbox just to play xbox games when the xbox 2 should be able to do it
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3 consoles outta how many???
hmmmmm
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i listed two
ok, another.
sega genesis played master system games
answer me this, will PS3 play PS2 and PS1 games?
oh yeah, it will
Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has confirmed that the PlayStation 3 will feature backwards compatibility with the PS2 and PSone, ensuring continued support for older software formats in the new hardware.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Off course people generaly will buy consoles over downloading emulators, most of the market probably doesn\'t even know wtf a emulator is.
That goes without saying. You\'ll never see a console being sold with backwards compatibility with a sign saying. Why get this console to play your old games when u can just download a emulator.
I\'m speaking for a small amount of people that prefer emulators that increase performance over consoles that don\'t. My attitude towards the whole issue is its just a gimmick that most people probably barely use if at all.
Yet people are acting like if they don\'t included it, they\'re nuts. It would barely impact sales, with the user base being so large for ps2. The name would be enough to sell the system.
Think about it, how many consoles ever had it before ps2?
You ommited some other points of my post
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Originally posted by mm
i listed two
ok, another.
sega genesis played master system games
answer me this, will PS3 play PS2 and PS1 games?
oh yeah, it will
i smell another shitty launch:stick:
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I\'ll get an Xbox 2 because the first one finally won me over once I dialed up Live.
Backwards compatability is overrated. I\'ve seen it put to use on Game Boy, but for PS2 I\'ve only played one PSOne game, and I never owned a PSOne so there\'s a huge library of games for me to try. I just don\'t.
Maybe I\'m in the minority, but I doubt it.
-Dan
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Originally posted by mm
i listed two
ok, another.
sega genesis played master system games
Uhm... you sure about that one buddy? The only way genesis could ever play master system games is if you had the master system add-on that went on top of the genesis. I used to use it all the time but the genesis could never take master system cartriges straight.
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yes, i own one
the addon was so the cartridge could be read, not like it has extra circuitry
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lol, well then it didn\'t come with backwards compatibility did it.. You had to buy adapter to use it.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I\'ll get an Xbox 2 because the first one finally won me over once I dialed up Live.
Backwards compatability is overrated. I\'ve seen it put to use on Game Boy, but for PS2 I\'ve only played one PSOne game, and I never owned a PSOne so there\'s a huge library of games for me to try. I just don\'t.
Maybe I\'m in the minority, but I doubt it.
-Dan
Heh but you never owned a PSX.There are millions of gamers outhere who owned one as well as a huge library of games they loved.
Its for these people that backwards compatibility seems like a great feature.
I still love games like Omega Boost, the old Wipeouts, Tobal2, Ace Combat3, Vagrant Story, Ridge Racer Type4, Resident Evil games, Crash Bandicoots, Crash Team Racing, etc and I would love to play the again.
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adaptor or not, it was backwards compatible by design.
like uni said, i have dozens and dozens of psx games that i play from time to time, and i\'m thankful i don\'t have to buy a psx just to play them.
backwards compatibility = win
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Of course backwards compatibility is a good thing...
People can trade their old system in towards the new one...