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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Coredweller on March 13, 2005, 10:29:07 PM
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Joker\'s thread gave me the idea for two important improvements:
A poll, and more choices. Here they are. Choose wisely. :)
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uhhh no Lenny Kravitz??? Where do you think Hendrix got his inspiration from?
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i only heard hotel california. so i just voted hotel california. never heard of the rest of it.
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Still not enough choices.. :)
I\'d still pick Stairway to Heaven, I\'m afraid. Though I would pick Third Eye, Pushit (Live) and Lateralus by Tool if we were talking strictly epic songs.
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You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can\'t wipe your friends on the couch.
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hehe anything where Jimmy is involved I\'ll make my stand.
All Along The Watchtower gets my vote.
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close between Stairway and Sympathy for the Devil here, gave my vote for stairway just because but the stones are close, you should\'ve added Paint it Black though.
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Personally, I think Aerosmith\'s ballad "Dream On" is the best. But that\'s my opinion.
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I was also thinking of including "Down By The River" by Neil Young and "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane, but there wasn\'t enough space.
BTW, no love for The Who? I think I will vote for the Beatles, all things considered. They accomplished the most with the least, technology-wise.
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Yep. Simplicity was thier style. Beatles are one of my favorites.
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No Aerosmith this thread sucks
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not into rock like that..only joints that i would consider a classic that i liked would be "unforgiven" by metallica.... that was a hot ass song..
and another classic even tho i don\'t know who sings it, but we\'ve all heard this one is..."we will we will rock you"..heh heh alot of people have used that song for a number of public events, sports events etc....
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Queen. The same group who sang "Bohemian Rhapsody".
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I want one of the choices to be other! :(
Then my vote would go to American Pie by Don McLean.
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Bohemian Rhapsody.
I can\'t think of a better song I can scream at the top of my lungs to.
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FreeBird... no dizzle
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Beatles hands down. Although I like most of the songs.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Yep. Simplicity was thier style. Beatles are one of my favorites.
With the exception of the middle portion of the song, A Day In The Life was hardly standard Beatles \'simplicity\'.. For the song itself, seems a little too short to be considered Epic. Especially considering a lot of time is consumed at the end by "Never to see any of the world, never to see any of the world" repeated.
nO-One: Paint it Black is hardly an \'epic\' song.. as good as it is.
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maybe not epic, but what is stairway\'s biggest strength....the melody the guitar and the vocal line are very memorable and that is where paint it black excels the tune sticks in your head and is one of the darker songs of all time IMO.
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Haha, that\'s true. It reminds me of when my friends back in high school used to hate The Cure because they started gothic music, but they had no problems listening to The Rolling Stones. :laughing:
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How could I not vote for Zepplin. And now it\'s back to another long haitus. Nice reading y\'all again.
Oh yeah.. PS:
You shoulda put up light my fire and innagaddadavida too.
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No" My woman from tokyo" or "Smoke on the water" ?
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
With the exception of the middle portion of the song, A Day In The Life was hardly standard Beatles \'simplicity\'.. For the song itself, seems a little too short to be considered Epic. Especially considering a lot of time is consumed at the end by "Never to see any of the world, never to see any of the world" repeated.
nO-One: Paint it Black is hardly an \'epic\' song.. as good as it is.
I\'m saying in general, most Beatles songs seemed very simple in its style. I hate it when people tell me that Dave Matthews Band is the greatest band ever coz "they are the most talented musicians evAr!" Damn I hate that band. I just ruined my own day. :mad:
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Replace Sympathy For The Devil with Satisfaction please.
No Like a Rolling Stone?
No Vibrations?
Bad list imo.
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Satisfaction isn\'t \'epic\', you twit. He even states it in his poll title.. the song has to be LONG.
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Originally posted by guar
No" My woman from tokyo" or "Smoke on the water" ?
I considered "Child in Time" but most people have never heard it before.... :( Those two you named are not really long or "epic" enough for me.
In my opinion, to be an "epic" classic rock song, the subject of the song should be something more transcendent and meaningful than just "let me tell you about a hot chick I banged in Japan" or "You broke my heart baby." It should be about death or the afterlife, or the futility of the human condition, or something like that.
According to those rules, "Layla" shouldn\'t really be on the list. If I could I would probably remove it. I never really liked that song, but it is long and overblown, so I thought it might be appropriate.
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So would American Pie be folk or rock?
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Originally posted by THX
uhhh no Lenny Kravitz??? Where do you think Hendrix got his inspiration from?
I think that needs to be switched. Lenny Kravitz got his inspiration from Hendrix. And Hendrix pwns Lenny Kravitz.
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ohh it was an obvious joke. :p kravitz isn\'t in the same league with these guys.
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Phew. You worried me for a sec there. ;) Kravitz blows monkeys compared to the classic rock gods.
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Originally posted by THX
So would American Pie be folk or rock?
Basically correct. The subject of that song is serious enough, but the style is not rock. At least not in my opinion.
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Freebird. I hate all the others, sadly. I really hate friggin\' Stairway to heaven, Zepplin\'s most over-rated song. What about No Quarter?
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Pfft.. Tool did No Quarter much better, and you damn well know it.
And take away all the hype, Stairway is still an extremely solid song. Excellent melodies, guitar solo, strcture, lyrics. Very solid.
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I disagree. I have always hated Stairway to Heaven.
And what about The Door\'s, "The End" or "Riders on the Storm"?
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why is it so hard to listen to a preview of the song? all i find is covers
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freebird
no other song could bring a bar full of hillbillies together more than that song
on a sadder note that song has been the wedding song for many a relitives
jaropickles=wisconsin white trash
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There\'s nothing wrong with that song. My family always seems to pick Boyz II Men and Brian McKnight songs when they get married. I don\'t know what the heck I\'ll choose for my wedding, whenever that day will be.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Pfft.. Tool did No Quarter much better, and you damn well know it.
And take away all the hype, Stairway is still an extremely solid song. Excellent melodies, guitar solo, strcture, lyrics. Very solid.
Tool made "No Quarter" their own song; I like it a ton better than Zeppelin\'s original version.
As for the poll, I had to go with "A Day in the Life", easily one of my favorite songs of all time.
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Rock\'s Oldest Joke:
Yelling \'Freebird!\'
In a Crowded Theater
It\'s a Request, a Rebuke,
A Cry From the Heart,
A Tribute to Skynyrd
By JASON FRY
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINE
March 17, 2005; Page A1[/size]
One recent Tuesday night at New York\'s Bowery Ballroom, the Crimea had just finished its second song. The Welsh quintet\'s first song had gone over fairly well, the second less so, and singer/guitarist Davey MacManus looked out at the still-gathering crowd.
Then, from somewhere in the darkness came the cry, "Freebird !"
It made this night like so many other rock \'n\' roll nights in America.
"Freebird " isn\'t the Crimea\'s song; it\'s from the 1973 debut album by legendary Southern rockers Lynyrd Skynyrd. The band\'s nine-minute march from ruminative piano to wailing guitar couldn\'t be less like the Crimea\'s jagged punk-pop. But it was requested nonetheless.
Somebody is always yelling out the title. "I don\'t know that I\'ve ever seen a show where it hasn\'t happened," says Bill Davis of the veteran country-punk band Dash Rip Rock.
"It\'s just the most astonishing phenomenon," says Mike Doughty, the former front man of the "deep slacker jazz" band Soul Coughing, adding that "these kids, they can\'t be listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd."
Yelling "Freebird !" has been a rock cliché for years, guaranteed to elicit laughs from drunks and scorn from music fans who have long since tired of the joke. And it has spread beyond music, prompting the Chicago White Sox organist to add the song to her repertoire and inspiring a greeting card in which a drunk holding a lighter hollers "Freebird !" at wedding musicians.
Bands mostly just ignore the taunt. But one common retort is: "I\'ve got your \'free bird\' right here." That\'s accompanied by a middle finger. It\'s a strategy Dash Rip Rock\'s former bassist Ned Hickel used. According to fans\' accounts of shows, so have Jewel and Hot Tuna\'s Jack Casady. Jewel declines to comment. Mr. Casady says that\'s "usually not my response to those kind of things."
Others have offered more than the bird. On a recent live album, Modest Mouse\'s Isaac Brock declares that "if this were the Make-a-Wish Foundation, and you were going to die in 20 minutes -- just long enough to play \'Freebird\' -- we still wouldn\'t play it." Dash Rip Rock often plays "Stairway to Freebird ," a mash-up of the Skynyrd epic and Led Zeppelin\'s "Stairway to Heaven" that Mr. Davis boasts lasts "less than two minutes. ... You\'re finished before people get mad."
A few years ago, Mr. Doughty started promoting the Weather Girls\' "It\'s Raining Men" as the new "Freebird ," asking audiences at his solo shows to call for the disco chestnut instead. Now, he says, he gets yells for both songs at every performance.
A harsh reaction to "Freebird " came from the late comedian Bill Hicks during a Chicago gig in the early 1990s. On a bootleg recording of the show, Mr. Hicks at first just sounds irked. "Please stop yelling that," he says. "It\'s not funny, it\'s not clever -- it\'s stupid."
The comic soon works himself into a rage, but the "Freebirds " keep coming. "Freebird ," he finally says wearily, then intones: "And in the beginning there was the Word -- \'Freebird.\' And \'Freebird\' would be yelled throughout the centuries. \'Freebird,\' the mantra of the moron."
How did this strange ritual begin? "Freebird " is hardly obscure -- it\'s a radio staple consistently voted one of rock\'s greatest songs. One version -- and an important piece of the explanation -- anchors Skynyrd\'s 1976 live album "One More From the Road." On the record, singer Ronnie Van Zant, who was killed along with two other bandmates in a 1977 plane crash, asks the crowd, "What song is it you want to hear?" That unleashes a deafening call for "Freebird ," and Skynyrd obliges with a 14-minute rendition.
To understand the phenomenon, it also helps to be from Chicago. When asked why they continue to request "Freebird ," Mr. Hicks\'s tormentors yell out "Kevin Matthews!"
Kevin Matthews is a Chicago radio personality who has exhorted his fans -- the KevHeads -- to yell "Freebird " for years, and claims to have originated the tradition in the late 1980s, when he says he hit upon it as a way to torment Florence Henderson of "Brady Bunch" fame, who was giving a concert. He figured somebody should yell something at her "to break up the monotony." The longtime Skynyrd fan settled on "Freebird ," saying the epic song "just popped into my head."
Mr. Matthews says the call was heeded, inspiring him to go down the listings of coming area shows, looking for entertainers who deserved a "Freebird " and encouraging the KevHeads to make it happen.
But he bemoans the decline of "Freebird " etiquette. "It was never meant to be yelled at a cool concert -- it was meant to be yelled at someone really lame," he says. "If you\'re going to yell \'Freebird,\' yell \'Freebird\' at a Jim Nabors concert."
Still, Mr. Matthews treasures his trove of recorded "Freebird " moments -- such as baffled comedian Elayne Boosler wondering why the audience is shouting "reverb." And he argues that good bands simply acknowledge it and move on. "The people who are conceited, the so-called artists who get really offended by it, they deserve it," he says.
But did "Freebird " truly start with the KevHeads? Longtime Chicago Tribune music writer Greg Kot says he remembers the cry from the early 1980s. He suggests it originated as an in-joke among indie-rock fans "having their sneer at mainstream classic rock."
Other music veterans think it dates back to 1970s audiences\' shouts for it and other guitar sagas, such as "Whipping Post," by the Allman Brothers Band, and "Smoke on the Water," by Deep Purple.
They may all be right: It\'s possible "Freebird " began as a rallying cry for Skynyrd Nation and a sincere request from guitar lovers, was made famous by the live cut, taken up by ironic clubgoers, given new life by Mr. Matthews, and eventually lost all meaning and became something people holler when there\'s a band onstage.
But as with many mysteries, the true origin may be unknowable -- cold comfort for bands still to be confronted with the inevitable cry from the darkness. For them, here\'s a strategy tried by a brave few: Call the audience\'s bluff. Phish liked to sing it a cappella. The Dandy Warhols play a slowed-down take singer Courtney Taylor-Taylor describes as sung "like T. Rex would if he were on a lot of pills." And Dash Rip Rock has performed the real song in order to surprise fans expecting the parody. For his part, Mr. Doughty suggests that musicians make a pact: Whenever anyone calls for "Freebird ," play it in its entirety -- and if someone calls for it again, play it again.
"That would put a stop to \'Freebird,\' I think," he says. "It would be a bad couple of years, but it might be worth it."
So what do the members of Skynyrd think of the tradition? Johnny Van Zant, Ronnie\'s brother and the band\'s singer since 1987, says "it\'s not an insult at all -- I think it\'s kind of cool. It\'s fun, and people are doing it in a fun way. That\'s what music\'s supposed to be about."
Besides, Mr. Van Zant has a confession: His wife persuaded him to see Cher in Jacksonville a couple of years ago, and he couldn\'t resist yelling "Freebird !" himself. "My wife is going, \'Stop! Stop!\' " he recalls, laughing. "I embarrassed the hell out of her."
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Back in Black or Highway to Hell needs to be there.
But out of those choices, Stairway to heaven.
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Neither is epic. A 3 and a half minute song and a 4 minute song aren\'t close to long enough, IMO.
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I thought by epic you meant quality.
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well, it says "What was the greatest "Epic" (long) Classic Rock song of all time?" :p
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There\'s nothing epic about freaking "Back in Black," by any definition. Jesus, give me a break.
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Teenage Dirtbag by Weetus isn\'t there!
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Heard stairway to heaven on the way home today.
Well... It was more like 2 seconds followed by a swift change in stations.
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Ooooooo.. Lord Nicon just bull-dozed John Bonham\'s grave with that one. Ouch!
That\'s okay though. IMO, none of the voting options would be no.1.. if there were such thing.
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Originally posted by Halberto
I thought by epic you meant quality.
Yeah me too. Not reading the poll under the title wtfpwned me.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Teenage Dirtbag by Weetus isn\'t there!
Its Wheatus you stupid faggot.
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Originally posted by Blade
Ooooooo.. Lord Nicon just bull-dozed John Bonham\'s grave with that one. Ouch!
That\'s okay though. IMO, none of the voting options would be no.1.. if there were such thing.
*shrugs* dont mean to burst any bubbles but i see things a lot like LIC in this discussion(to an extent) in terms of some of the points being made: Stairway being overrated, No quarter, the end riders of the storm.
Dont follow it to a t but you get the picture.
No disrespect to your beloved song.
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As for the stones song, if you would have put "you can\'t always get what you want" on there I would have picked that. I voted for jimi.
I can\'t really think of any "epic" songs the Beatles did. maybe "while my guitar gently weeps" or "tomorrow never knows"...