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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Riku on April 08, 2005, 12:44:36 PM
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PS2 44,117
DS 43,023
PSP 33,911
GBASP 17,710
GC 3,754
GBA 1,074
Xbox 335
Software
1. PS2 Tekken 5 - Namco - 174,000 (NEW)
2. PS2 Winning Eleven 8 Liveware Evolution - Konami - 67,000 (305,000)
3. NDS Touch! Kirby - Nintendo - 33,000 (108,000)
4. PS2 Wild Arms 4th Detonator - SCE - 27,000 (158,000)
5. PS2 Shining Force Neo - Sega - 18,000 (81,000)
6. PS2 Memories Off After Rain vol.3 Graduation special edition - Kid - 18,000 (NEW)
7. PS2 Dynasty Warriors 5 - Koei - 17,000 (842,000)
8. GBA Megaman EXE 5 Team of Colonel - Capcom - 12,000 (142,000)
9. NDS Egg Monster Hero - Square Enix - 12,000 (43,000)
10. PSP Bleach: Heat the Soul - SCE - 10,000 (47,000)
It\'s interesting that the DS managed to outsell the PSP, perhaps Nintendo isn\'t as doomed as I thought.
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If we weren\'t so close to the next generation, I might suggest to MS to start anonymously buying Xbox\'s in Japan.. just to make Japanese devs think it\'s a success.
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PS2 44,117
DS 43,023
... 43K < 44K. how did the DS outsell PSP? are you talking about the games?
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:laughing: @ xbox
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this has got to be japanese sales
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Avatar, you quoted PS2\'s numbers, now PSP.
And perhaps Kirby was responsible for the DS Spike?
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Avatar, read more carefully
Bobo! I have read from several reviews that Kirby Touch is a very good game, but the increase in sales probably has more to do with the new colors of the system.
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fuck! I think I\'m slowly developing down\'s syndrome.
to my comfort, bobo said noW instead of noT. >_<
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Wait until the new Castlevania comes out for the DS, that is when DS sales will soar over PSP .
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Are we comparing software or hardware sales here?
Dont forget that DS is cheaper
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Are we comparing software or hardware sales here?
Dont forget that DS is cheaper
Judging by this week\'s sales numbers, the DS is doing better in both hardware and software.
That\'s a good excuse you got there. [read: not really]
Don\'t worry, I\'m not attacking your PSP. My comment on the sales was more about the DS, despite being less powerful hardware and perhaps even gimmicky, is managing to do alright.
Wait until the new Castlevania comes out for the DS, that is when DS sales will soar over PSP .
Don\'t forget about the special Pokemon edition DS.
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Excuse?Attacking MY PSP?What is that supposed to mean?Dont get offended for nothing.There are people that want a PSP but the high price is discouraging.Whats so strange?Its still a very possible reason
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offended?
Dont forget that DS is cheaper
That was a defending arguement for the PSP on why the DS outsold it, no?
Attacking MY PSP?What is that supposed to mean?
Having read through the "PSP is out NA!" thread in the PSP forum I noticed that you, among others, have quite a admiration for the new handheld. I also noticed an abscence of anything DS here, even in Console Debating, so I naturally assumed a bias, however unintentional it may be.
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There are people that want a PSP but the high price is discouraging.Whats so strange?Its still a very possible reason
Is it wrong to assume that the more technical and media capable device, save for touch gameplay, would justify the difference in cost?
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Originally posted by Rikku
offended?
That was a defending arguement for the PSP on why the DS outsold it, no?
So what exactly is the problem?
Having read through the "PSP is out NA!" thread in the PSP forum I noticed that you, among others, have quite a admiration for the new handheld. I also noticed an abscence of anything DS here, even in Console Debating, so I naturally assumed a bias, however unintentional it may be.
Why is liking the PSP such a bad thing?What if everyone was saying how satisfied they are about the DS in the other forums and a cheaper PSP was outselling the DS?
Its not my fault if you assumed a bias.
Does someone has to be biased to like the PSP while only the people that like the DS have the valid unbiased opinion?
edit:Its not my fault either if DS owners arent posting in the forums how satisfied they are with their DS and what they find unique about it.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
So what exactly is the problem?
No problem, you asked "what is that supposed to mean?", and I told you. It seems I was right.
Why is liking the PSP such a bad thing?What if everyone was saying how satisfied they are about the DS in the other forums and a cheaper PSP was outselling the DS?
Its not my fault if you assumed a bias.
Does someone has to be biased to like the PSP while only the people that like the DS have the valid unbiased opinion?
I did not suggest that favoring the PSP is a bad thing, and my implications of bias were only directed at you and based on your comment that the DS is cheaper.
The DS is cheaper than the PSP, but it\'s also the less capable of the two handhelds. The cost is relative to that of the function and technical prowess of the unit so to defend the sales of the DS and PSP on price alone is...well, it\'s silly.
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Well if you check the same thread you were talking about you ll see that some of them said they wanted one now, yet they are waiting for a price drop.
PSP owners in the very same thread seem excited with simple games like Lumines.Some people may prefer a PSP as much as the DS or who knows probably more but arent willing to spend $250 for a handheld no matter how good it is.
Software games are also expensive considering PSP is a handheld.The capabilities and offerings may be enough to make the consumer want one.The price though seems large enough(or not cheap enough) to disencourage.
Even if the PSP offers a lot more while sold at the same price the sales could be similar simply because many people dont feel like spending $250 for a handheld.You can almost buy a GC an XBOX and a PS2 with the same money
The biggest complains I hear about the PSP is the cost.I havent heard any complaints like how inferior PSP\'s games are compared to DS.Both recieve similarly equal praise.
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It\'s because PsP sucks. K.
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And Jumpman is secretely a Sony fanboy because I said so :p
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Well if you check the same thread you were talking about you ll see that some of them said they wanted one now, yet they are waiting for a price drop.
PSP owners in the very same thread seem excited with simple games like Lumines.Some people may prefer a PSP as much as the DS or who knows probably more but arent willing to spend $250 for a handheld no matter how good it is.
Software games are also expensive considering PSP is a handheld.The capabilities and offerings may be enough to make the consumer want one.The price though seems large enough(or not cheap enough) to disencourage.
Even if the PSP offers a lot more while sold at the same price the sales could be similar simply because many people dont feel like spending $250 for a handheld.You can almost buy a GC an XBOX and a PS2 with the same money
The same arguement can be made for the DS.
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the point is the same regardless
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btw http://psp.ign.com/articles/602/602449p1.html
Currently, IGN can attest to seeing plenty of stock of both systems although the barebones PSP system (as opposed to the more expensive Value Pack) is still difficult to find. (The value pack is more than $300)
And still PSP and its games are more expensive with a difference.Its almost double the price compared to DS.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
It\'s because PsP sucks. K.
I do tend to agree with that, but I also think that the DS sucks right now. Both systems lack a truly killer title, but the DS will be getting one with CastleVania:DS.
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You\'re only making my point. The cost is relative as is the demand.
The DS, even though it is lesser hardware, is still an attractive console despite the presence of more powerful and more capable hardware. This is what surprises me.
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Ahm...No.Actually cost and demand are everything.When cost reaches a point no matter how good a product is the consumer is discouraged.He will move to an alternative solution even if the other product is supposed to offer less.Its called oportunity cost.Only when both products are sold at the same price the consumer bases his oportunity cost solely on the products\' offerings if he feeld comfortable to spend on that amount.Otherwise he must decide between price differences and offerings.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Ahm...No.Actually cost and demand are everything.
looks back at my post
Hold on, Francis.:p I didn\'t mention that cost and demand don\'t play a role in the sale of a product, didn\'t suggest it, hint at it, or otherwise.
When cost reaches a point no matter how good a product is the consumer is discouraged.He will move to an alternative solution even if the other product is supposed to offer less.Its called oportunity cost.Only when both products are sold at the same price the consumer bases his oportunity cost solely on the products\' offerings if he feeld comfortable to spend on that amount.Otherwise he must decide between price differences and offerings.
The DS is not selling more because people are foregoing the PSP in search of an alternative.
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Originally posted by Rikku
looks back at my post
Hold on, Francis.:p I didn\'t mention that cost and demand don\'t play a role in the sales of a product, didn\'t suggest it, hint at it, or otherwise.
I didnt say you said that.I just pointed out that relative or not cost affected PSP\'s sales.
The DS is not selling more because people are foregoing the PSP in search of an alternative. [/B]
No.But PSP is selling less.In this case many are waiting for a price drop instead of jumping directly to an alternative.Althought this doesnt mean that some people dont buy a DS because PSP seems overpriced.I sure wouldnt buy a handheld costing $250.
And to tell you the truth generally as a handheld it seems overpriced for a consumer to buy.Even if it offered "Toy Story" Graphics.
Since DS is also a good handheld with a good library of games some will prefer DS that is priced more logically as a handheld over the overpriced PSP.
And overpriced doesnt necesssarilly mean a bad or inferior product.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I didnt say you said that.I just pointed out that relative or not cost affected PSP\'s sales.
No.But PSP is selling less.In this case many are waiting for a price drop instead of jumping directly to an alternative.Althought this doesnt mean that some people dont buy a DS because PSP seems overpriced.I sure wouldnt buy a handheld costing $250.
And to tell you the truth generally as a handheld it seems overpriced for a consumer to buy.Even if it offered "Toy Story" Graphics.
Cost effects DS as well. I can guarentee you that everyone who wants one does not have one because of the price.
Since DS is also a good handheld with a good library of games some will prefer DS that is priced more logically as a handheld over the overpriced PSP.
And overpriced doesnt necesssarilly mean a bad or inferior product.
The PSP in comparison to the DS is not overpriced, it effectively offers more than the DS so it is only appropriate that it cost more.
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Yay, Rikku to the rescue.
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Originally posted by Rikku
Cost effects DS as well. I can guarentee you that everyone who wants one does not have one because of the price.
I can quarantee you that some people that cant afford a PSP can afford a DS
The PSP in comparison to the DS is not overpriced, it effectively offers more than the DS so it is only appropriate that it cost more.
It is still overpriced as a handheld.The PSP is viewed mainly as a games device that can do something more.As a newly launched powerful handheld hardware its normal to cost so much.For what it offers as a handheld the consumer doesnt feel like paying $300 or $40/$50 for handheld software.And they are forced to pay more for a value pack.Not enough options for the consumer.When the price drops a bit sales will boost signifigantly even if its still more expensive than the DS.At this point the price prevents it.We arent talking about small difference in price.We are talking about double the price.I agree that the PSP should be more expensive.But at this point it is more expensive than what the consumer can handle.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I can quarantee you that some people that cant afford a PSP can afford a DS
You are missing my point. People are not going to pay for an over-priced DS any sooner than they\'ll pay for an over-priced PSP. It\'s about what the consumer is willing to spend for the handheld in question.
It is still overpriced as a handheld.The PSP is viewed mainly as a games device that can do something more.As a newly launched powerful handheld hardware its normal to cost so much.For what it offers as a handheld the consumer doesnt feel like paying $300 or $40/$50 for handheld software.And they are forced to pay more for a value pack.Not enough options.
Says you, however I agree. Over a million sales worldwide says the PSP is competitively priced for what it offers.
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Originally posted by Rikku
You are missing my point. People are not going to pay for an over-priced DS any sooner than they\'ll pay for an over-priced PSP. It\'s about what the consumer is willing to spend for the handheld in question.
and you are missing MY point.The consumer is willing to pay for a games handheld.The quality of games the PSP offers and the games the DS offers are at the similar level.Other features come secondary.A gamer has to decide.Do I want to pay less and have good games but not extra features?Or pay a lot lot more and have a similar quality gaming experience with extra secondary features?
PSP consumes more from the consumer\'s income than what the DS does
Says you, however I agree. Over a million sales worldwide says the PSP is competitively priced for what it offers.
That means that the PSP is good enough to gain high sales despite the high cost.It describes how good the PSP is.However that also means that if a million consumers are willing to pay so much for it a lot lot more would have been willing to buy a PSP if it was a bit cheaper.Not necessarilly as cheap as the DS.
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you guys suck at arguing consoles
i mean it
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Originally posted by Unicron!
It is still overpriced as a handheld.The PSP is viewed mainly as a games device that can do something more.As a newly launched powerful handheld hardware its normal to cost so much.For what it offers as a handheld the consumer doesnt feel like paying $300 or $40/$50 for handheld software.And they are forced to pay more for a value pack.Not enough options for the consumer.When the price drops a bit sales will boost signifigantly even if its still more expensive than the DS.At this point the price prevents it.We arent talking about small difference in price.We are talking about double the price.I agree that the PSP should be more expensive.But at this point it is more expensive than what the consumer can handle.
It may be overpriced as a handheld but it is not just a handheld. It is a gaming device, an mp3 player, a dv player, etc. For all of that it is NOT overpriced.
YOU may view it primarily as a gaming device but Sony is advertising it otherwise. They know the extreme price difference between the PSP and DS so they are going out of their way to advertise the PSP as an all-in-one handheld.
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Jesus.You didnt say something I didnt already say or know.I am NOT expecting it to be as expensive as DS.I realise that its normal to cost more.
But this doesnt mean that a certain price point doesnt affect the consumer\'s choice.Even if it had rocket launchers and costed $10000 and everyone wanted a handheld with rocket launchers badly it doesnt mean that they were going to buy it.
It consumes a more signifigant amount from the consumer\'s income.And its also much more expensive not just because it offers more.Its also more expensive because its the first handheld to offer these and be so powerful.New kind of product=temporarily more expensive until its established in the market.
Its normal that at a certain price even if a consumer wants the product that costs very much for its offerings,he will pull back.
It doesnt matter how Sony is advertising it.Thats irrelevant.PS2 was also being presented as a computer entertainment system that was supposed to do so much more.
Advertising is advertising. Sony realises that its very expensive and exactly what I ve described above.Advertising is never 100% honest anyways.Advertisings are exaggerating to sell and justify a product.
The point is that this current price affects PSP\'s sales and the consumer\'s will to buy it, justified price or not.
It\'s at a level where the consumer reconsiders buying one even if he wants it and understands that it costs more because of its offerings.
These forums have the facts to show this.
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But the same thing can be said for the DS! Here:
I\'d sooner pay $200 for a PSP than I would $150 for a DS.
Seriously think about that before you reply.
The DS is not selling because it is a cheap alternative, it\'s selling itself and that\'s what I\'m surprised with. The DS might be in a more accessible price range however that depends who you talk to. Also, the fact that DS is touch screen throws a wrench into your idea that it offers a similar experience to the PSP.
The PSP is marketed as more than a games device, and those were Sony\'s intentions from the get go. They even said it themselves, "we\'re going after the iPod crowd", or something to that effect. Now, if you were to talk to the "iPod crowd" they\'d probably tell you that PSP is a steal for what it offers. That\'s my opinion anyway.
I\'m through in here.
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Ok I ll make it simpler with a different stromger example.Almost anyone loves the idea of owning a Porsche, a Lamborghini or a Ferrari.Yet you ll see more cheap Mazdas or Mitsubishis on the road and rarely a ferrari or a Lamborghini or a Porsche.
The amount of sales the PSP reached despite that they are less than the DS it is no indication that the DS has outsold or succeeded more than the PSP.
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wtf is a Laborgini ?
:confused:
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=m&m
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That\'s a very poor analogy.
You\'ve managed to finally get what it is I never said. Congratulations.
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Thats what you say.Basically what you are expecting me to say is that DS succeeded better than PSP no matter what.Well it didnt
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Originally posted by Unicron!
what you are expecting me to say is that DS succeeded better than PSP no matter what.Well it didnt
Going by the numbers provided, in what ways DIDN\'T the DS show more success than the PSP?
Success is measured in units sold and money earned not in how many people want one.
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I dont know.You tell me.Rikku said PSP is marketed as more than a games device and DS is marketed as a games device.There is no direct cmpetition.Is it?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Thats what you say.Basically what you are expecting me to say is that DS succeeded better than PSP no matter what.Well it didnt
That\'s not it at all.
I\'ve mentioned it several times now, but I\'ll do it once more. The DS, despite being in the presence of more powerful and capable hardware, and perhaps a little gimmicky, is managing to carve out a niche for itself.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I dont know.You tell me.Rikku said PSP is marketed as more than a games device and DS is marketed as a games device.There is no direct cmpetition.Is it?
Why wouldn\'t there be direct competition? The PSP is competition for the DS, GBA, iPod, Palm etc. It is direct competition to the DS because they share shelf space.
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personally, i wouldn\'t compare the PSP and the DS
the DS is merely a toy
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They are all toy\'s for cryin\' out loud.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Why wouldn\'t there be direct competition? The PSP is competition for the DS, GBA, iPod, Palm etc. It is direct competition to the DS because they share shelf space.
I explained why there is no direct competition.
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the PSP is hardly a toy when it can browse web sites, play videos and MP3\'s
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its a toy.
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soully, we\'re not talking about your penis
please stick to trolling the off-topic forum, thanks
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
its a toy.
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that can go for you also
it\'s hardly a "toy"
i can understand that it could be treated like a toy in the hands of an 12 year old, but that is hardly the case in our demographic.(unless you guys are 12 and mom buys your game units)
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mm, despite what u "THINK" it is, doesn\'t change the fact it\'s a toy. Its userbase would most like be 12 year olds. Its a handheld gaming device.. that can browse the net blah blah blah
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it\'s targeted userbase is NOT 12 year olds
look at the games alone, if not the price tag
DS? now there\'s a child\'s toy
quote from Kaz Hirai
Just as we had a wide demographic for the PlayStation and PS2, the PSP is going to appeal to a wide demographic across a variety of different ages and [attract] a high female-and-male ratio as well. If you look at the form-factor, I have no problem taking out my PSP if I\'m flying to San Francisco, New York, or Tokyo and want to watch a movie. There are some devices out there that I\'d be a little embarrassed to pull out, especially now that I have so much gray hair. We designed the PSP so that it would be a fashion statement. We want to appeal to a wide demographic and not just the teenager demographic.
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What makes it a kid\'s toy?
Besides the fact that kids like video games..
-Dan
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PSP is a "luxurious" kind of toy.It can do things a toy cant and for this reason its expensive --->harder for a consumer to decide if he should buy one even if he wants it.Especially considering the current price.$250-$300+?
There is no direct competition end of story.The sales PSP has achieved in that price is simply outstanding even if DS has sold more.
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so i guess cell phones and PDA\'s are toys also?
if a consumer wants one, he will buy one, cost is unimportant.
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You know whats funny?You thought I disagreed with you.
No PDA\'s and Cell phones are not toys just because they can play games.But the PSP offers real gaming experience and its supposed to offer the same gaming experience a "mere" toy offers(someting a PDA and a Cell phone cant do well).Games is a priority for the PSP still.
Despite our slightly different approach I believe like you that the PSP and the DS arent competing each other directly.
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phones and PDAs aren\'t gaming devices... They have gaming as extras just like PSP has the net bs as a extra.
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oh, my bad uni. just used to you flat out disagreeing with anything i say.
soully....please
<---- offtopic is that way
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nice comeback mm (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ubi.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2F51.gif&hash=5ba1ec5e86aa58091665a82ffa84678f319da5ab)
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*notice you dropped the argument pretty quickly
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Originally posted by mm
so i guess cell phones and PDA\'s are toys also?
if a consumer wants one, he will buy one, cost is unimportant.
You\'re right. I\'m gonna go pick up my Viper.
DS and PSP do share some of the same demographics. Both kids and adults like games and both PSP and DS play them.
There\'s some kind of overlap there.
PSP also plays mp3s if you\'re ready to spend more cash on memory sticks and the like. So far, the movie and net things are jokes.
They\'re both for gaming before anything else, and most interested consumers will get one or the other.
Especially if you\'re one of those imaginary consumers where cost matters.
By the way, technology as a whole is skewing younger and younger. Phones take pictures and play games now. Kids want them. They get them.
-Dan
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the movie playing capability is pretty damn slick, especially now that we have the ability to convert from any source (xvid/svcd/vob)
would a child go thru thru the paces to do this? of course not.
cell phones got games and pictures because society as a whole needs pacified. we can\'t sit on the bus or wait for a dentist apointment without being entertained in some fashion.
and if you really wanted a viper, you\'d save up and buy one.
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Originally posted by mm
*notice you dropped the argument pretty quickly
Drop what argument.. It’s not hard to know wtf a toy is and it’s an insult to my intelligence arguing with a child. I\'ve got better things to do. It may be expensive, so was psx. Its main purpose is to "PLAY" games on it. You play with it, just like you play with yourself way to much.
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PSP = Toy.
Primary use? Gaming. Anything extra? Gimmicks. Add-on\'s.
DS = Toy
Gaming device.
What\'s the problem with calling it a toy?
And it makes me sick that anyone would say Sony\'s movie idea is good. Why do we need a specfic format for handheld movie\'s? It\'s idiotic and half-assed. Tho\' I will say the playback is impressive, the whole idea of a format for movie\'s for a gaming device is simply stupid.
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gimmick?
tell me how downloading and watching speed racer is a gimmick, lol
it has to use a proprietary format. what\'s it gonna use? wmv? divx? mov? mpeg2? all patented formats which need compensated.
why do you think itunes uses AAC?
http://psp.connect.com/
DS = toy
PSP = entertainment device
simple as that
oh, and lol @ soully
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so err, all the extra addons psp have make it a entertaining device...
interesting......... :rolleyes:
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soully, this is called a "debate"
please add something useful and/or thought provoking.
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I will, when you will.
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you\'re trolling soully, and have little reason or pupose in this thread except to taunt and incite me
i\'ve given several reasons why the PSP is not a toy
and you\'ve.....done nothing by refute what i say with pathetic attempts at humor.
oh, and LIC, the PSP doesn\'t have a "primary" use. i listen to MP3\'s when i\'m on the bus, and watch at work whatever shows i DVR\'d the night before.
i really don\'t think a device that can do this, is a "toy". oh yeah, a DS can do all this too
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*mm jumping up and down like a baby* "Its not a toy! Its not a toy!"
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Seriously, it is an electronic device, but how does that not make it a toy? There are plenty of definitions for a toy.
Palm pilots etc. are less like toys because their functions are geared less towards entertainment and more towards work, though they can be thought of as toys in some sense. The PLAYstation portable is ment to be PLAYED on. You play with toys. The only difference is that its a toy that is not geared towards little children. Im sure if some parent was rich, they would definately buy a psp for their kid depending. Ive seen 13 y/o\'s with all sorts of things they shouldnt have.
This is seriously a pretty silly debate, and when it comes down to it, it\'s all based on opinion really.
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mm, you\'re idea of what a toy is doesn\'t change the simple fact. It’s a toy, its purpose is to be played with. That’s what a friggin toy is. it does have a primary use. Gaming, that’s what it is, a HANDHELD GAMING DEVICE.
PSP = Playstation Portable, not sony portable. Playstation was a gaming console remember..
If anyone’s the troll mm, its not me. It\'s a expensive toy, like it or not that’s exactly what it is. You play with the friggin thing, whether its being used for mp3s, the net and movies doesn\'t change that simple fact. It is designed for gaming, the gaming isn\'t the extra. Its the purpose.
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Well if you want to be fair can\'t the DS act as a Scheduler, contact book, and instant messenger? Does this change its status from a toy?
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Originally posted by mm
DS = toy
PSP = entertainment device
What is the difference?
If you want to justify yourself by saying that it is an entertainment device instead of a toy then more power to you. That doesn\'t change the fact that they are both TOYS.
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palm pilots as toys? thats ridiculous
here\'s i\'ll put it on your level:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv298%2Fmonderick%2Fsmiley20waving.gif&hash=eb05cf02427e5c29af99959cc9138576af66466c) hi guys! my name is context and i\'m gonna be your new friend. here\'s the defenition of the word toy.
toy
n.
An object for children to play with.
Something of little importance; a trifle.
An amusement; a pastime: thought of the business as a toy.
A small ornament; a bauble.
A diminutive thing or person.
A dog of a very small breed or of a variety smaller than the standard variety of its breed.
Scots. A loose covering for the head, formerly worn by women.
Chiefly Southern U.S. A shooter marble.
intr.v. toyed, toy·ing, toys
To amuse oneself idly; trifle: a cat toying with a mouse.
To treat something casually or without seriousness: toyed with the idea of writing a play. See Synonyms at flirt.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
wow! who knew that just because you can "toy" with something doesn\'t make that object into a toy by default?
so that means my car is not a toy. and my hockey stick. and that paperclip that i bent into a stick figure. and that wood chip is not a toy either soully, thats just your currency
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PSP = Toy
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wtf?
wow...
thanks bro. your effort and logic have completely stunned and shocked me into now understanding that PSP is simply a child\'s toy and little more.
i am sorry to have wasted your time
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Originally posted by mm
wtf?
wow...
thanks bro. your effort and logic have completely stunned and shocked me into now understanding that PSP is simply a child\'s toy and little more.
i am sorry to have wasted your time
It is not JUST a child\'s toy but it IS a toy. Your definition says that a toy is MORE than just something for a child to play with. For some reason you can\'t seem to understand that.
PSP = Toy
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wow! who knew that just because you can "toy" with something doesn\'t make that object into a toy by default?
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Originally posted by mm
toy
n.
Something of little importance; a trifle.
An amusement; a pastime: thought of the business as a toy.
intr.v. toyed, toy·ing, toys
To amuse oneself idly; trifle: a cat toying with a mouse.
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ummm, you\'re helping my argument
thanks
(don\'t forget your new friend context!)
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looking up the dictionary meaning as mm did, he didn\'t seem to post this little bit of info with it.
toy
n 1: an artifact designed to be played with [syn: plaything] 2: a nonfunctional replica of something else (frequently used as a modifier); "a toy stove" 3: copy that reproduces something in greatly reduced size [syn: miniature] 4: any of several breeds of very small dogs kept purely as pets [syn: toy dog] v 1: behave carelessly or indifferently; "Play about with a young girl\'s affection" [syn: dally, play, flirt] 2: manipulate manually or in one\'s mind or imagination; "She played nervously with her wedding ring"; "Don\'t fiddle with the screws"; "He played with the idea of running for the Senate" [syn: fiddle, diddle, play] 3: engage in an activity as if it were a game rather than take it seriously; "They played games on their opponents"; "play the stockmarket"; "play with her feelings"; "toy with an idea" [syn: play]
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I will sum it up for you my children.
DS = Kids toy "Ga-ga-goo-goo!"
PSP = Adult toy "WOOOOH, Im mature!"
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To end this.PSP and DS arent competing directly each other.Yes they both play games.But they are offering completely different extra features that aim at completely different things.If Sony wanted to compete DS directly they wouldnt have released a handheld that that costs so much more with extra features that dont have to do with gaming.The prices arent even competitive.And neither are their offerings.
The DS offers dual screens of which one is a touch screen and aims at gaming only, the PSP plays movies, mp3\'s, and can connect to the net.PSP is a more luxurious device.
PSP is a toy and an entertainment device at teh same time.If someone wants just a toy he wont pay twice as much to get a PSP.
Oh and.....entetainment device isnt a toy.My DVD/CD player, TV is an entertainment device.Didnt know they were toys :p
Entertainment device is too general
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Originally posted by fastson
I will sum it up for you my children.
DS = Kids toy "Ga-ga-goo-goo!"
PSP = Adult toy "WOOOOH, Im mature!"
Why do you bother posting? Kids toy? Baby sounds? What the hell? I assume it is the 12 year olds who will rush out to buy Castlevania: DS and make DS sells soar.
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It was a joke, a very funny joke. But you are all \'PROTECT THE HIVE\' n shit.
[sp]That’s a joke too, or is it? [/sp]
It would not surprise me if DS has baby sounds as an alternative bootup sound, like the GC. ;)
Man Nintendo is kiddy.
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Originally posted by fastson
It was a joke, a very funny joke. But you are all \'PROTECT THE HIVE\' n shit.
[sp]That’s a joke too, or is it? [/sp]
It would not surprise me if DS has baby sounds as an alternative bootup sound, like the GC. ;)
Man Nintendo is kiddy.
:yawn:
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Damn, t3h funny failed again :(
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Btw, here are Famitsus numbers from last week.
PSP 50.645 551.688
PlayStation 2 36.284 573.162
Nintendo DS 25.275 460.182
Game Boy Advance SP 12.934 236.582
Gamecube 3.810 71.926
Game Boy Advance 698 6.722
Xbox 229 3.912
The week before that
PSP 55.014
PlayStation 2 43.073
Nintendo DS 28.280
Game Boy Advance SP 14.162
Gamecube 4.119
Game Boy Advance 549
Xbox 258
And unconfirmed numbers (I have yet to check Famitsu myself, will do it shortly!) from this week?
Nintendo DS 60.507
PlayStation 2 51.611
PSP 51.556
Game Boy Advance SP 19.877
Gamecube 4.673
Game Boy Advance 1.241
Xbox 435
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:laughing: at xbox
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Quite a battle over there. The PSP has different price points there, too, doesn\'t it?
Anyway, you\'re kidding yourselves if you think PSP and DS aren\'t in competition. Sony just pushes the other stuff to make it cooler. They\'re intended for the same demographics.
Just because Handheld X has better graphics and plays music without an add-on doesn\'t mean it doesn\'t want to bump Handheld Y out of the market.
Sony wants to take Nintendo\'s profit crutch away in the handheld market. Nintendo wants PSP to fail like everything else so far.
The only thing that separates PSP from DS competitively is the price. It limits it to people who have lots of cash and lots of love for handheld gaming. These same people probably bought GBA SP\'s for Castlevania already. The demographics all over lap.
Just because Xbox can burn music doesn\'t mean Microsoft isn\'t competing with Nintendo and Sony. Same with PSP and its features vs. DS.
I dunno if that made sense... I just know I\'m right. ;]
Sony PR guys try to distance themselves from Nintendo because of the perception of coolness and edginess and maturity that comes with that. But just because they give you the PR bullshit doesn\'t mean it\'s true. In fact, that public line of b.s. is just another means of competing with and trying to get a leg up on Nintendo.
-Dan
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Good points but that doesnt mean that the PSP will sell as if it was directly competing the DS despite that Sony would have liked to take over the crown from Nintendo in the handheld market.
Comparing PSP with DS is a bit like comparing the PSX with the GC/PS2/XBOX only that it shows more emphasis to gaming than the PSX
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The only thing that separates PSP from DS competitively is the price.
that, and the PSP is 10x more graphically impressive. oh, and it plays mp3\'s and video