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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on April 19, 2005, 08:35:06 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20050419/ap_on_re_eu/pope&sid=84439559
Not sure who though.
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It\'s a Kraut! err, uh... German guy. yeah.
He\'s rollin\' under the handle "Pope Benedict XVI"
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I thought he should have picked "Pope Ol\' Dirty Bastard" in memory of a fallen genious.
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Germany\'s Cardinal Ratzinger Elected Pope
16 minutes ago Europe - AP
By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer
VATICAN CITY - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, the church\'s leading hard-liner, was elected the new pope Tuesday evening in the first conclave of the new millennium. He chose the name Pope Benedict XVI and called himself "a simple, humble worker."
Ratzinger, the first German pope since the 11th century, emerged onto the balcony of St. Peter\'s Basilica, where he waved to a wildly cheering crowd of tens of thousands and gave his first blessing as pope. Other cardinals clad in their crimson robes came out on other balconies to watch him.
"Dear brothers and sisters, after the great Pope John Paul II, the cardinals have elected me — a simple, humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord," he said after being introduced by Chilean Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estivez.
"The fact that the Lord can work and act even with insufficient means consoles me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers," the new pope said. "I entrust myself to your prayers."
The crowd responded by chanting "Benedict! Benedict!"
If the new pope was paying tribute to the last pontiff of that name, it could be interpreted as a bid to soften his image as the Vatican\'s doctrinal hard-liner. Benedict XV, who reigned from 1914 to 1922, was a moderate following Pius X, who had implemented a sharp crackdown against doctrinal "modernism."
On Monday, Ratzinger, who was the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals, used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism — the ideology that there are no absolute truths.
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," he said, speaking in Italian. "Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and \'swept along by every wind of teaching,\' looks like the only attitude acceptable to today\'s standards.
Ratzinger served John Paul II since 1981 as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In that position, he has disciplined church dissidents and upheld church policy against attempts by liberals for reforms. He turned 78 on Saturday.
The new pope had gone into the conclave with the most buzz among two dozen leading candidates. He had impressed many faithful with his stirring homily at the funeral of John Paul II, who died April 2 at age 84.
Ratzinger is the first Germanic pope since monarchs imposed four men from that region in a row in the 11th century.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20050419/ap_on_re_eu/pope_24
How old is this guy? I thought they wanted a younger one who they keep around a while.
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he\'s 78
looks like they don\'t want younger pope that will hold the position forever like JPII did.
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He is past his life expentency. Oh well the world is supposed to end with his death lol.
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He is a transition pope... trust me. The Nigerian will be next.
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Maaaang....I was hoping they\'d go for that South American Cardinal.
Anyway...he\'s a very friendly type. Should carry on JPII\'s legacy. He\'s what they call a transitional Pope.
Did you know there have been three African Popes? Perdy damn progressive if you ask me. So......someone ask me. ;)
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I don\'t think they were black though Gman.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I don\'t think they were black though Gman.
Sure looked like it in their...um...very old paintings. But who cares? i was just saying. Cored\'s gonna down play it and say that religions are too Republican or some BS like that.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
It\'s a Kraut! err, uh... German guy. yeah.
He\'s rollin\' under the handle "Pope Benedict XVI"
:laughing:
Hey, isnt that the guy who was a member of Hitler Jugend? ;)
Anyway, good luck to him.
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Originally posted by square_marker
He is a transition pope... trust me. The Nigerian will be next.
Thats what i wanted to see. lol.
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this new pope was appointed to a high position within the vatican nearly 10 years ago by John Paul II (dean of the cardinals.. or whatever it\'s called), so this is about as close as you can get to letting a pope pick his successor
Guess the cardinals got the message
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They should have chosen someone much younger than 78, I can\'t imagine anyone wanting to go through this shit again in 6 months time or so.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Sure looked like it in their...um...very old paintings. But who cares? i was just saying. Cored\'s gonna down play it and say that religions are too Republican or some BS like that.
Hey, I\'ve got nothing against the opiate of the masses. :)
I\'m just not sure a former Hitler Youth member is the right guy to be handing out blessings to the world. :p Think about it!
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Originally posted by Cerberus
They should have chosen someone much younger than 78, I can\'t imagine anyone wanting to go through this shit again in 6 months time or so.
there wont be anything like they had for JPII. The huge funeral and the gathering of it had to do with what he did and his affect on other people, not as much as the fact that he was in a high position like the pope. This was the only pope funeral i was alive to remember for but im pretty sure they didnt do all the stuff because he was a pope.
I give the new guy couple years,heh. Like the 2 above, this is just a transition pope since it took like half a day for them to pick this guy. A lot of people are saying they dont like him because hes ultra-conservative. Like he helped made the changes in vatican 2 that made christianity uber liberal, then when JPII came in he wanted to reverse the changes and he became conservative....FLIP-FLOPPER!
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I give this guy 5 years to live, any bets?
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I give this guy 5 years to live, any bets?
I\'ll stick to my original stake of 6 months.
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It\'s funny how you young people think 78 has one foot in the grave. There are some very healthy 78 year olds. Not saying this guy is, but with the spear of destiny in his back pocket, he could live to be 478. :) He was a Hitler Youth, remember.
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The guy has a decade left in him, if not more.
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This guy looks like he\'s dead already, if he looked more like some other healthy person at 78 sure I probably wouldn\'t say that but come on this guys had too many Bratwurst\'s
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I guess the popes preceeding and proceeding john paul 2 will have short terms. :}
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This guy is really Emperor Palpatine. With his deepset eyes - give him a black cloak and I promise you will see lightning shoot from his hands.
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People say he looks all messed up and such, personally, I think he looks like a kind gentle man. A little on the conservative side....but we could use a little more of that ;)
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Meh...
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Interesting article:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=3&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_re_eu/pope_s_university
The new pope was a professor at Universitat Tuebingen, where I attended for a few months in 1990.
BTW, he fled the university because it was becoming too liberal. I felt right at home. :)
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when i first heard his name it sounded like joseph rap-singer! :p i agree with a few in here regarding his age...in a few years his health will start to fade....i realy didn\'t see what the big hush was about with the last pope\'s health...i mean these people are only human,..they can\'t expect them to live forever....
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Interesting article:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=3&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_re_eu/pope_s_university
The new pope was a professor at Universitat Tuebingen, where I attended for a few months in 1990.
BTW, he fled the university because it was becoming too liberal. I felt right at home. :)
Prolly why God hates California. Mud slides, brush fires, drought, Earthquakes, demo-rats, gang wars, high gas prices and instead of deer running across the road you have illegals. ;)
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HE\'S VERY OLD
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He looks demonic.
Not being a smartass, but he does.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
He looks demonic.
Not being a smartass, but he does.
Yea, when I first saw him thats what I thought. He looks creepy and evil.
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At least John Paul II looked like a nice old man, like someone\'s grandfather. This guy looks more like someone who boils a fetus and eats it for his brunch.
It strikes me odd that they elected someone with a Nazi youth background, but I guess people change and the catholic church want to show that? Could be worse, he could be a registered sex offender..oops.
:p
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If you were his age in Germany at that time you would have been a nazi youth also. :rolleyes:
Also, he was the Pope\'s go to guy and I don\'t think the former Pope was too fond of nazis.
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This is true if you were a German child growing up in the late 30\'s you would have thought nothing wrong with going into the Hilter Youth.
The denazification of Germany after WW2 was pretty effective.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
At least John Paul II looked like a nice old man, like someone\'s grandfather. This guy looks more like someone who boils a fetus and eats it for his brunch.
It strikes me odd that they elected someone with a Nazi youth background, but I guess people change and the catholic church want to show that? Could be worse, he could be a registered sex offender..oops.
:p
Were you the author of one of these letters in the NYT LIC? ;)
Commentary: Benedict abused as \'nazi pope\'
By Uwe Siemon-Netto
UPI Religious Affairs Editor
Published April 21, 2005
WASHINGTON -- "Nazi pope a clear and present danger to the civilized world," read the headline of a reader\'s letter in a forum of NYTimes.com, The New York Times\' Web site.
It wasn\'t the worst abuse leveled at Pope Benedict XVI, the former Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, a German. Type the words "Nazi pope" into the Google search line, and you will get nearly 700 mentions.
"Seig Heil, hail Mary!" read one post, misspelling German word for victory, which is "Sieg."
"What can you expect from a filthy Nazi?" asked one blogger quoted, with horror, by National Review Online. The blogger went on: "...Nazi bas-- wearing a dress and no doubt with a past in child-molesting."
The Internet is of course the kooks\' playground, where anti-German prejudices are safe to disseminate for a simple reason: unlike organizations representing blacks, Jews, Italians or the Irish, their German-American counterparts hardly ever raise a fuss.
"We are somewhat reticent," Ernst Ott, chairman of the German-American National Congress known as DANK, told United Press International Thursday.
A meticulous journalist of the old school, 77-year old Baroni fumes, "I don\'t know what upsets me more -- the insults or the historical sloppiness with which the American media treat Ratzinger\'s youth.
"They show an old photograph of a young man in uniform claiming that was Ratzinger in the Hitler Youth. In reality, the picture showed him in the fatigues of an anti-aircraft gunner."
As one who has been through similarly horrifying experiences, Baroni is outraged by the self-righteousness with which the American media treat this subject.
It was, he said, yet another Nazi crime to assign children to flak positions where they would be killed or maimed by the tens of thousands.
True, Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth, the paramilitary organization in which membership was compulsory after 1941. Still, he managed to drop out by insisting that it was incompatible with his life in a pre-seminary.
The Jerusalem Post newspaper cleared him of any culpability and ridiculed those who suggest that pope Benedict was a closet Nazi. It mocked people accusing him of being a "theological anti-Semite for believing in Jesus so strongly that -- gasp! -- he thinks anyone, even Jews, should accept him as the Messiah."
Added the Post, "To all this we should say, \'This is news?\'"
New York Times columnist Maureen Down seemed to prove Donohue right by stirring all the elements she considered disagreeable about Ratzinger and his church into one venomous brew:
"Joseph Ratzinger, (is) a 78-year-old hidebound archconservative who ran the office that used to be called the Inquisition and who once belonged to Hitler Youth.
"For American Catholics -- especially women and pro-choice Catholic pols -- the cafeteria is officially closed. After all, Cardinal Ratzinger, nicknamed God\'s Rottweiler\' and \'the Enforcer,\' helped deny Communion rights to John Kerry..."
Still, this bundle of clichés at least does not include the word "Nazi pope." This term was entered America\'s foremost paper via the Readers\' Opinion section of NYTimes.com and caused dismay at the Anti-Defamation League.
"We reject that outright," ADL spokeswoman Mryna Shinebaum told UPI. Her national director, Abraham H. Foxman, had welcomed Ratzinger\'s election. " Cardinal Ratzinger has great sensitivity to Jewish history and the Holocaust. He has shown this sensitivity countless times," Foxman stated.
Was it ethical, then, for NYTimes.com to publish a text accusing pope Benedict XVI of being a Nazi?
Toby Usnik, the Times\' director of public relations seems to think so. "We choose not to censor such posts unless they are abusive, defamatory or obscene. While we believe that this post stretches the truth of the pope\'s youth, we do not believe it violates our policies," he informed UPI.
"This calls for another insulin shot," fumed Baroni. "It would clearly be abusive if you labeled a black man with the \'N word,\'" he said.
"But in the Times\' mindset there\'s evidently nothing defamatory about calling a German pope a Nazi -- in other words a member of a species guilty of a genocide."
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050421-050120-7643r
Wasn\'t someone saying earlier that the NYT isn\'t a liberal mouthpiece?
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I don\'t think LIC was being so serious about it.
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Originally posted by Bozco
He looks creepy and evil.
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Originally posted by Bozco
I don\'t think LIC was being so serious about it.
That is why I put a ;) at the end of the question.
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Anyone, namely Ace, who thought I was serious about it are simply taking my posts and life to serious. It was clearly made in jest to all the news that the Pope is getting due to him being a Nazi youth. Still, I am surprised by the choice to elect someone who use to be a Nazi youth, if nothing else, due to the bad press.
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while on the subject.
joke time. ;)
The Pope dies and, naturally, goes to heaven. He\'s met by the reception committee and, after a whirlwind tour is told that he can enjoy any of the myriad recreations available.
He decides that he wants to read all of the ancient original text of the Holy Scriptures, and spends the next eon or so learning the languages. After becoming a linguistics master, he sits down in the library and begins to pore over every version of the Bible, working back from the most recent "Easy Reading" to the original script.
All of a sudden there is a scream in the library. The angels come running to him, only to find the Pope huddled in a chair, crying to himself, and muttering, "An \'R\'! They left out the \'R\'”.
God takes him aside, offering comfort and asks him what the problem is. After collecting his wits, the Pope sobs again, "It\'s the letter \'R\'... the word was supposed to be CELEBRATE."
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Ummm...
Isn\'t it spelled CELIBATE?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
That is why I put a ;) at the end of the question.
Haha, didn\'t see it.
Either way the pope still scares me.