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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Halberto on April 21, 2005, 07:25:57 AM
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My predictions for the first round:
West:
Suns over Grizzlies 4-1
Houston over Dallas 4-3
Sacremento over Seattle 4-2
Spurs over Nuggets 4-2
East:
Miami over New Jersey 4-2
Chicago over Washington 4-0
Indiana over Boston 4-3
Detroit over Philadelphia 4-0
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My predictions for the first round:
West:
Suns over Grizzlies 4-2
Dallas Over Houston 4-1
Seattle over Sacramento 4-2
San Antonio over Nuggets 4-3
East:
Miami over New Jersey 4-1
Chicago over Washington 4-3
Indiana over Boston 4-1
Detroit over Philadelphia 4-1
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Originally posted by square_marker
My predictions for the first round:
West:
Suns over Grizzlies 4-2
Dallas Over Houston 4-1
Seattle over Sacramento 4-2
San Antonio over Nuggets 4-3
East:
Miami over New Jersey 4-1
Chicago over Washington 4-3
Indiana over Boston 4-1
Detroit over Philadelphia 4-1
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Nuggets 4 - Spurs 2
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Suns over Grizzlies 4-0
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Nuggets 4 - Spurs 2
please explain
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Originally posted by Halberto
please explain
yes indeed... please do
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I think he chose it because the Nuggets have been so hot lately or maybe because Duncan isnt at 100% yet.
Thats all true but you got to remember that the Nuggets have been playing a run and shoot game, and the Spurs defense definately will stop them from getting easy shots. Also, the Nuggets lost 3 of those 4 games since all-star break to the Suns, who the Spurs have beaten 2-1 (the one loss without Duncan). Plus, Duncan always humiliates Kenyon Martin. And if Denver doesnt step up the defense you can count on Tony Parker and Ginobli just slaughtering them driving inside. Also think about Bruce Bowen, guess who he is going to gaurd?
Defense ownz.
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A good offense will destroy the best defense in basketball. Football is another story.
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You clearly have overestimated the thought I put into that.
I just posted it cause you\'re a Spurs fan :p
Though I do believe it could happen. Duncan is not 100%, and the Nuggets were competitive against the Spurs with Duncan before Karl was there. They\'re worlds better now, and swept the Spurs without Duncan. Plus when a guy\'s been out that long, it can take a bit to get things running smoothly again.
Besides. The Nuggets have the best second have record in the NBA. There is NO team they can\'t beat...besides maybe Phoenix.
And don\'t try that Phoenix beat them and we beat Phoenix thing. That reasoning is COMPLETELY meaningless. If you wanted to do it that way, I could prolly prove the Knicks are better than the Spurs.
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...but the Knicks are better than the Spurs, right Tony? ;)
I gotta pull for my Bulls, but I know their ride ends by the 2nd round. Every ESPN Basketball Analyst hasn\'t even given them the time of day against the Wizards for cryin\' out loud. Apparently we\'re "too young" or something. Kirk Hinrich is one of the best floor generals in the game, and Ben Gordon is climings the ranks of clutch...they may not be old, but these guys have played enough *gasp* College Ball to get a feel for big games. Kirk Hinrich at Kansas, Ben Gordon at UConn, Luol Deng and Chris Duhon at Duke, now you can\'t tell me that they haven\'t played a couple of big games in their basketball careers.
Bulls in 6 over the Wizards. Gilbert Arenas blows my wang.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
A good offense will destroy the best defense in basketball. Football is another story.
Definately not true.
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uhm..i just have one question then i\'m gonna back out of this....is reggie miller still playing? i don\'t watch b-ball like that anymore..i liked it when jordan, ewing, and starks used to play...
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Yep, this is his last year.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
...but the Knicks are better than the Spurs, right Tony? ;)
I gotta pull for my Bulls, but I know their ride ends by the 2nd round. Every ESPN Basketball Analyst hasn\'t even given them the time of day against the Wizards for cryin\' out loud. Apparently we\'re "too young" or something. Kirk Hinrich is one of the best floor generals in the game, and Ben Gordon is climings the ranks of clutch...they may not be old, but these guys have played enough *gasp* College Ball to get a feel for big games. Kirk Hinrich at Kansas, Ben Gordon at UConn, Luol Deng and Chris Duhon at Duke, now you can\'t tell me that they haven\'t played a couple of big games in their basketball careers.
Bulls in 6 over the Wizards. Gilbert Arenas blows my wang.
See Yuz.
Well they are young, really young. Thats why I think the Bulls will be a a title contender in two years or so, if they hold on to their rookies and Kirk. Im rooting for the Bulls too their my fav team in the east
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I suppose I\'m obligated to root for the Sixers, but they won\'t last long.
In the west, I\'m rooting for the Nuggets, followed by the Suns and the Rockets.
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From ESPN\'s Page 2: (Bill Simmons=awesome)
A blueprint for beating San Antonio:
A. You need to get physical with them ... and Denver is the most physical team in the league. Guys like Nene and K-Mart will absolutely knock Mr. Eva Longoria (aka Tony Parker) down the first time he comes cruising down the lane (like the Lakers did last year). Also, Duncan has always been one of the classiest players around -- what happens to him when K-Mart is throwing elbows around, or Nene starts swearing at him in Brazilian? You need to do this stuff against the Spurs; I\'m not sure they like rolling up their sleeves and getting dirty, especially with Malik Rose gone. Who\'s sticking up for TD when Nene clotheslines him into the basket support?
B. You need to keep throwing big guys at Duncan ... and the Nuggets have three good ones (K-Mart, Nene and the wildly underrated Marcus Camby). I see him making the Sad Duncan Face a lot, the one where he stands next to Popovich and looks like a son who just let down his dad in Little League.
C. You need a small forward who can post up the smaller Spurs guys (Ginobili, Bowen, etc.) and take advantage of them ... and the Nuggets probably have the closest thing to a young Bernard King right now in Carmelo Anthony. On paper, anyway.
D. You need a great coach. Not a good coach -- a GREAT coach. And George Karl is one of the best. He\'ll know exactly what to do here -- push the pace, knock bodies to the ground, bang the bejeezus out of Duncan (who\'s been banged up all season).
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DETROIT BASKETBALL
DETROIT BASKETBALL
DETROIT BASKETBALL
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Originally posted by Cyrus
A good offense will destroy the best defense in basketball. Football is another story.
......Detroit Baskeeeetballllllll
Man how can you say that? Defense owns in every sport when it comes down to a best of 7 series. Once the teams get accustom to each other, the best defensive team prevails. No one gave the Pistons a snowballs chance in hell against the Lakers before the finals started except the Piston fans, who had been watching them all year. Even the Chicago Bulls of the 90s had excellent defense. Bottom line, defense wins championships, offense pays the bills.
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Originally posted by square_marker
......Detroit Baskeeeetballllllll
No one gave the Pistons a snowballs chance in hell against the Lakers before the finals started except the Piston fans, who had been watching them all year.
Yeah and how many titles did LA win in a row prior to Detroit?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
From ESPN\'s Page 2: (Bill Simmons=awesome)
A blueprint for beating San Antonio:
A. You need to get physical with them ... and Denver is the most physical team in the league. Guys like Nene and K-Mart will absolutely knock Mr. Eva Longoria (aka Tony Parker) down the first time he comes cruising down the lane (like the Lakers did last year). Also, Duncan has always been one of the classiest players around -- what happens to him when K-Mart is throwing elbows around, or Nene starts swearing at him in Brazilian? You need to do this stuff against the Spurs; I\'m not sure they like rolling up their sleeves and getting dirty, especially with Malik Rose gone. Who\'s sticking up for TD when Nene clotheslines him into the basket support?
B. You need to keep throwing big guys at Duncan ... and the Nuggets have three good ones (K-Mart, Nene and the wildly underrated Marcus Camby). I see him making the Sad Duncan Face a lot, the one where he stands next to Popovich and looks like a son who just let down his dad in Little League.
C. You need a small forward who can post up the smaller Spurs guys (Ginobili, Bowen, etc.) and take advantage of them ... and the Nuggets probably have the closest thing to a young Bernard King right now in Carmelo Anthony. On paper, anyway.
D. You need a great coach. Not a good coach -- a GREAT coach. And George Karl is one of the best. He\'ll know exactly what to do here -- push the pace, knock bodies to the ground, bang the bejeezus out of Duncan (who\'s been banged up all season).
:rolleyes:
K-mart? Please. Duncan almost had a QUADruple double on that kid. Easier said than done keeping Ginobli and Parker out of the lane. And Id like to see Kmart smack Ginobli down, the guys gets up every time and goes again. He has no fear.
This guy obviously is lookin for a cinderella story.
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Dallas.
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I feel so bad for IVO I mean the guy plays his heart out too bad he is going up against the champs. When the pistons are playing their game nobody can beat them. I still think philly may end up getting 1 game maybe.
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I think the black guys will win.
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:laughing:
Hey Vivi when are you going to get that crazy "Spurs = #1" BS off your title? :p
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You know whats crazy? The Suns beat the Spurs in game 1 2 years ago.
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I don\'t recall claiming the Suns were "#1" two years ago with no factual basis for the claim... :p
Of course if you want to just say they\'re #1 in your heart, that\'s ok. LOL. :)
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Marcus Camby for defensive MVP.
Oh, and if you watched that game, that\'s why I picked the Nuggets.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Yeah and how many titles did LA win in a row prior to Detroit?
0... Spurs won it the year before the pistons.
The point is, no matter how good the Lakers were in the past, it is a shame the Spurs didn\'t kill them each year. The Spurs and Pistons play basketball like it should be played each year. Granted it is sometimes boring, but that is how basketball used to be. Sure it is much more fun watching the Suns this year and Dallas for the last couple, but where has Dallas gone? No where. Why? No defense....as an example, watch the Suns this year.
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Who the hell determines how basketball "should" be played?
It should be played however gets you a win. If the Suns can win by scoring 120 a game, god bless them, I hope they kill the Spurs or Pistons.
In fact, if you ask me, the Suns come closer to playing the game the way it should be played than pretty much every other team in the NBA. It\'s not a question of offense being wrong and defense being right. What\'s right is playing as a team, and that\'s also what wins. What\'s wrong is playing as individuals, that\'s what loses games, and that\'s what happens ENTIRELY too much in the NBA. That\'s why it\'s so boring to watch so often these days.
The Suns move as a team, play as a team, and win as a team. I\'ll be damned if that\'s not basketball as it\'s meant to be played.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Who the hell determines how basketball "should" be played?
It should be played however gets you a win. If the Suns can win by scoring 120 a game, god bless them, I hope they kill the Spurs or Pistons.
In fact, if you ask me, the Suns come closer to playing the game the way it should be played than pretty much every other team in the NBA. It\'s not a question of offense being wrong and defense being right. What\'s right is playing as a team, and that\'s also what wins. What\'s wrong is playing as individuals, that\'s what loses games, and that\'s what happens ENTIRELY too much in the NBA. That\'s why it\'s so boring to watch so often these days.
The Suns move as a team, play as a team, and win as a team. I\'ll be damned if that\'s not basketball as it\'s meant to be played.
Still won\'t beat the pistons
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You\'re right.
They\'ll beat the Heat.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You\'re right.
They\'ll beat the Heat.
lol:laughing: too bad shaq won\'t last that long;)
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Detroit is good. They\'re champions. They play as a team. They\'ve got talent.
But can they really beat a team with not one, but two super heros? I think not!
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Kobe and Shaq were a much better duo. And they also had Karl Malone.
Defense + Teamwork = championships
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Kobe was too much of a drama queen. Shaq\'s new sidekick doesn\'t have any loose baggage like raping a girl.
Miami is another highly functionable team. They completely dominated their opening game on both sides of the court.
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How can you say in one breath that Kobe and Shaq were a better duo than Shaq and Wade, and in the next that teamwork wins championships?
I would take this year\'s duo over last year\'s in a heart beat.
And Malone did nothing last year.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
How can you say in one breath that Kobe and Shaq were a better duo than Shaq and Wade, and in the next that teamwork wins championships?
I would take this year\'s duo over last year\'s in a heart beat.
And Malone did nothing last year.
You already knew i was going to defend Kobe Bryant. Wade is not even in the same league as Kobe. How could you even try to compare this rookie to the likes of Kobe. Kobe and shaq were awesome when they played together. Too bad things got in the way but detroit just out played the Lakers in the finals.
Wade cannot carry the load like Kobe could. Shaq could look forward to Kobe owning the 4th. Whenever either of those two on the floor the lakers always had a chance no matter what the score was.
Wade and company will not get pass the pistons.
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Originally posted by Halberto
Defense + Teamwork = championships
TEAMWORK
TEAMWORK
TEAMWORK
TEAMWORK
TEAMWORK
Suns may have it... oh shit, they lack defense. You can\'t be giving up 100 a night and expect to win a championship. Look at Kobe and Shaq... I mean the Lakers last year. All individuals, not because they wanted to, but because Kobe made it that way. If that team didn\'t have Kobe, there would have been a great chance they would have beaten the Pistons.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Wade cannot carry the load like Kobe could.
Where\'s Kobe right now?
On a damn golf course with Tiger Woods.
There is a difference between carrying the load (ie. Michael Jordan / Isiah Thomas / Magic Johnson / Shaq) and being selfish. Kobe only cared about being a star in LA\'s eyes, more so than that of his own teammate. To Kobe, looking better than Shaq was more important than his 4th title.
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This year Wade scored 24.1 ppg, had 6.8 assists a game, and 5.1 boards per game. He shot 48%.
Last year, with Shaq, Kobe scored 24.0 ppg, had 5.1 assists per game, 5.5 boards per game. He shot 44%.
How has Wade in any way not filled what Kobe game the Lakers?
When the Pistons played the Heat, throwing out the end of the season game where Wade was only in half the game and Shaq didn\'t play, cause it meant nothing to them, each team won once. The Pistons won their game by one, the Heat won their game, the second of the games, by 11. Wade averaged 24 ppg, 6.5 assists per game, and 7.5 boards per game, shooting 51%.
Oh, and Wade had 17 points in those two fourth quarters, meaning he was his best at the end of the game. That\'s a 34 ppg pace. He also had 4 assists in those 4th quarters, a 8 apg pace.
Oh, and one more thing. Wade, with the same supporting cast (Butler, Odom, Grant, etc) that Kobe has this year, MADE the playoffs last year, as a #4 seed. He won 8 more games than Kobe has with the same cast, and Kobe missed the playoffs...they\'re currently tied for the 11th best team in the West. So where exactly is this notion that Kobe is worlds better coming from?
And then you throw in the chemistry factor.
And the motivation factor.
And the fact that Shaq is in twice as good shape.
And the fact that Wade doesn\'t have a rape trial going on.
And as far as the Suns, what are you basing the idea that you can\'t give up 100 ppg and win on? When is the last time you saw a team that plays the way Phoenix does right now?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
This year Wade scored 24.1 ppg, had 6.8 assists a game, and 5.1 boards per game. He shot 48%.
Last year, with Shaq, Kobe scored 24.0 ppg, had 5.1 assists per game, 5.5 boards per game. He shot 44%.
How has Wade in any way not filled what Kobe game the Lakers?
When the Pistons played the Heat, throwing out the end of the season game where Wade was only in half the game and Shaq didn\'t play, cause it meant nothing to them, each team won once. The Pistons won their game by one, the Heat won their game, the second of the games, by 11. Wade averaged 24 ppg, 6.5 assists per game, and 7.5 boards per game, shooting 51%.
Oh, and Wade had 17 points in those two fourth quarters, meaning he was his best at the end of the game. That\'s a 34 ppg pace. He also had 4 assists in those 4th quarters, a 8 apg pace.
Oh, and one more thing. Wade, with the same supporting cast (Butler, Odom, Grant, etc) that Kobe has this year, MADE the playoffs last year, as a #4 seed. He won 8 more games than Kobe has with the same cast, and Kobe missed the playoffs...they\'re currently tied for the 11th best team in the West. So where exactly is this notion that Kobe is worlds better coming from?
And then you throw in the chemistry factor.
And the motivation factor.
And the fact that Shaq is in twice as good shape.
And the fact that Wade doesn\'t have a rape trial going on.
And as far as the Suns, what are you basing the idea that you can\'t give up 100 ppg and win on? When is the last time you saw a team that plays the way Phoenix does right now?
First of all you know the east sucks ass. If you put the lakers in the east they would have made the players. You can\'t obvious think you can make a case that Wade is a good as Kobe.
Wade is good but don\'t go trying to compare him or make him equal to Kobe. Just not possible.
I think miami has a chance at the pistons but I don\'t think they will beat them. In the long run I just don\'t see the heat doing it. I mean the pistons look damn good. I mean damn good. I just don\'t see them losing
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The Lakers were 13-17 against the East this year.
That means their winning percentage against the east was .433, their overall winning percentage was .415. Wouldn\'t have made that much of a difference.
The Heat were 12-16 against the West last year, as a comparison number. That\'s a winning percentage of .428, which is about the overall winning percentage of the Lakers this year.
If I were starting a team, I\'d take Wade over Kobe. I\'m dead serious.
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While I have to agree, I think Wade is a better teammate, I think Kobe has something Wade doesn\'t. Nobody has that clutch shot like Kobe, nobody. He is as close to clutch as Jordan was.
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I completely agree
wade > kobe
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Originally posted by Halberto
While I have to agree, I think Wade is a better teammate, I think Kobe has something Wade doesn\'t. Nobody has that clutch shot like Kobe, nobody. He is as close to clutch as Jordan was.
A) No, he really isn\'t.
B) There are definitely people as clutch as he is. One of them (trust me, I\'m a Knicks fan, I\'d know):
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spike lee had a great view of that shot
:laughing:
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Oh, and for the record: last second game winning shots this year by Wade: 2
by Bryant: 1
And Kobe missed more last second game winning shots than he made.
And JBean: Yeah :(
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Wade > Bryant
The NBA Finals should be any combination of Spurs vs Pistons vs Heat
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You mean those Spurs who are down 1-0 after losing at home to the hottest team in the league? :p
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1 game.... u know the spurs lost their first playoff game in the 02-03 season. And that season they won it. Also, u can be sure u wont see the spurs miss 17 consecutive shots like that.
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Yeah, but any chance I get to hype up the Nuggets, you know I gotta take it :D
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well, u wont have many
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That\'s a lot of confidence from someone who\'s team\'s best player is playing at about 50%, trying to lead his team back from a hole, without home court advantage against the best team of the last several months.
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Originally posted by JBean
I completely agree
wade > kobe
While everyone has their opinions. Thats just not a very goodone. Wade will never accomplish in his career what Kobe has already done.
This guy is in his 2nd year in the league and you think he is better than KOBE? OMG do you think it\'s over for the Lakers? Do you actually think KOBE is done?
I know a lot of you guys may not like Kobe but don\'t deny his talent and overall greatness.
For anyone to say even say wade > Kobe just has pure hatred for the guy or lacks something mentally.
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Lakers aren\'t even in the play-offs. They are nobodies now. He\'s proven time and time again he\'s more of a one man show than a leader for his team.
And he\'s a rappist.
Originally posted by Halberto
While I have to agree, I think Wade is a better teammate, I think Kobe has something Wade doesn\'t. Nobody has that clutch shot like Kobe, nobody. He is as close to clutch as Jordan was.
No one besides Miller has ever come close to being as clutch as Jordan was.
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QuDDus, what the hell are you basing all of this Kobe is better than Wade crap on? What did Kobe accomplish without Shaq? Nothing. Wade is putting up BETTER numbers, and he\'s leading a much better TEAM. To me, it\'s clear which of our opinions "isn\'t a very good one".
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Originally posted by Jumpman
No one besides Miller has ever come close to being as clutch as Jordan was.
Yea, to say Kobe has cluth like Jordan is like comparing apples to oranges. How many game winning shots has Kobe hit seriously? Just because he had a really nice one last playoffs doesn\'t mean he is clutch, his team still got their asses handed to them. Jordan and Miller were killers of there time. Everyone knew who the ball was going to and they couldn\'t stop it.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
For anyone to say even say wade > Kobe just has pure hatred for the guy or lacks something mentally.
Are you a statistics man or a team man? Either way, Wade > Kobe.
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You can call me a hater or mentally retarded, I don\'t care. My OPINION is that Wade is the better player as of now. Being an unselfish teammate is HUGE in my book. Being a high character person is HUGE in my book. Wade trumps Kobe in all of these and is putting up similar numbers to Kobe (when he played along Shaq).
You seriously are blinded by some deep admriation for Kobe. I\'m not trying to tear Kobe down, but I gotta agree with Shockwaves that if I were building a team, i\'d take Wade over him without a second thought.
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And let us also not forget that as a rookie, in his first ever playoff game, Dwayne Wade hit a game winning last second shot last year. I\'d say the man plays plenty well in the clutch.
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The evidence just keeps piling up :)
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What did shaq ever do without kobe? He won\'t win the title this year. I bet the farm the lakers will be champs once again.
I mean wade has been in the league 2 years a you people want to say he is better than kobe? That just shows jealousy and hatred or lack of knowledge.
Anyways it\'s all opinions and in the end wade will never accomplish half of what kobe has and he is only 25 guys.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
What did shaq ever do without kobe?
Well let\'s see.... uh MADE THE PLAYOFFS AND WON THE CONFERENCE.... Let us see what Kobe has done without shaq... oh yea... NOTHING!
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I mean wade has been in the league 2 years a you people want to say he is better than kobe? That just shows jealousy and hatred or lack of knowledge.
Lebron has been in the league for 2 years.... he\'s better than Kobe.... you think a 2 year man can\'t be better than a vet?
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lol, well...
I\'m not touching this Kobe Bryant Debate with 22 1/2 foot pole. I\'ll just say that Dwayne Wade is really good, and Wade made the playoffs as a rookie with about 4 of the same players as Kobe had this year, and Kobe\'s version faultered bigtime. With that, Reggie Miller is probably the single best clutch shooter of all time, Jordan might be better, but that\'s a debate for another day. Both were insanely good...and when you have both of them, you also have to factor Larry Bird into that debate. Sounds like something Bill Simmons should write about :)
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Lebron has been in the league for 2 years.... he\'s better than Kobe.... you think a 2 year man can\'t be better than a vet?
I won\'t even debate this with you anymore. I can see the hate in your post. The wade argument can\'t even be backed up because the kid has not even proven himself over a number of years.
2 years and your going to say he is better than one of the best players to play the game. I can\'t rather I won\'t bother to discuss this dribble. 5 years from now ask me about Wade vs Kobe
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Originally posted by QuDDus
2 years and your going to say he is better than one of the best players to play the game. I can\'t rather I won\'t bother to discuss this dribble. 5 years from now ask me about Wade vs Kobe
As long as your still on the forums I shall. And feel free to quote me, Wade will be better than Kobe.
As for clutch.... Miller > Jordan > Bird
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I won\'t even debate this with you anymore. I can see the hate in your post. The wade argument can\'t even be backed up because the kid has not even proven himself over a number of years.
2 years and your going to say he is better than one of the best players to play the game. I can\'t rather I won\'t bother to discuss this dribble. 5 years from now ask me about Wade vs Kobe
And you don\'t clearly have hate for Wade in your posts? He\'s better right now. What happened in the past doesn\'t matter.
I ask you, what evidence can you give for the fact that Kobe is better than Wade? I\'ve given personal stats, team records, and numerous other reasons. What reasons have you given for why Kobe is better?
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Wade is better now because of Shaq.
Same reason Kobe was better in the past because Kobe had Shaq.
We all know that if Wade was running the Heat on his own, they would be watching back home with the Lakers.
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Say, did yall see the nuggets get whooped?
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Originally posted by SwifDi
We all know that if Wade was running the Heat on his own, they would be watching back home with the Lakers.
You mean like last year...when Wade played with the same main cast of players Kobe played with this year...and that team was a 4 seed and won in the first round?
And yeah, the Nuggets still are tied in the series with home court.
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Nuggets got their bitch asses whooped.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You mean like last year...when Wade played with the same main cast of players Kobe played with this year...and that team was a 4 seed and won in the first round?
And yeah, the Nuggets still are tied in the series with home court.
The east was sorry as f#uck last year. You keep using that statement like it means something.
You people have the past 8 years to see just how much better kobe is over wade. I mean I shouldn\'t have the post the stats/career highlights. I mean you have seen the games. You have seen how great the man has been the past 8 years of his career. You people already know of his greatness.
You people have seen 1 decent year from wade and your ready to give him the crown. Oh please......man you guys are making a mockery of the league. Nobody was mentioning this guy on the forums last year. Search the forumns. Where was all this love for wade last year???
The guy has one good year and now he is the g.o.a.t
Man thats funny.
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He\'s had two good years, a great college career, and a great olympics.
And as for the east being weak, if that\'s the case, why is Kobe\'s team this year only about .430 against the east?
Once again, I don\'t care about the past 8 years. What are the players doing now? Wade was better this year. He was better this year than Kobe was last year. He\'s a better teammate. He\'s hit clutch shots, he\'s carried the team when need be, he\'s scored, assisted, and rebounded. What does it take for you to realize how good the man is?
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The east was sorry as f#uck last year. You keep using that statement like it means something.
That funny cause I could have sworn the east had the best team last year.... HMMMMMMMM
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They didn\'t, LA choked.
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Are you freakin kidding me! LA choked my ass. They got outplayed... straight up! There is no 2 ways around it. If they were the better team they would have won.
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L.A. didn\'t know how to play defense, and the Pistons pretty much perfected it. Detroit was a better team.
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Choking is losing something you could have won. The Lakers never had a shot.
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Quddus, I can see all this hate, wtf............are you Yoda.
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Originally posted by Halberto
Nuggets got their bitch asses whooped.
Maybe if you keep referring to the Nuggets\' "bitch asses," it will make your team\'s 1-1 standing more impressive. :rolleyes: :laughing:
You don\'t hear me crowing about the Suns rolling over the Memphis Grizzlies, do you? No, because Memphis has a GOOD TEAM. They deserve respect, and they\'re the 8th seed! You should show a little more respect for the Nugz before they school you in Denver. :)
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LA had a great fucking team. The problem was Kobe and the rest of the team just played terrible and they didn\'t feed Shaq nearly enough. You can attribute that to Detroit defense, poor LA offense, or contribute that to the ongoing inside turmoil eventually leading to the trade of Shaq and the departure of the greatest coach ever(arguably). It\'s up for debate, but whatever. 3 straight titles>Detroit\'s one as far as I\'m concerned. Show me a crystal ball of Detroit winning two more and we\'ll talk some more.
SA would of rolled Detroit last year are you kidding me LOLS.
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Jeez... looks like someone is still bitter and in denial. Face it... the Lakers couldn\'t handle Detroit. Sorry we systematically destoryed your team.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Maybe if you keep referring to the Nuggets\' "bitch asses," it will make your team\'s 1-1 standing more impressive. :rolleyes: :laughing:
You don\'t hear me crowing about the Suns rolling over the Memphis Grizzlies, do you? No, because Memphis has a GOOD TEAM. They deserve respect, and they\'re the 8th seed! You should show a little more respect for the Nugz before they school you in Denver. :)
The Grizzlies are a good team, but they arent great. The Nuggets only lost 4 game after the all star break, thats better than any other team since then. Im just gloating because I knew it would happen, but not so bad. Seeing Brent Barry shoot 4-4 3pt fg% is fantastic. :D
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The Lakers wern\'t even my team...
Phil Jackson>defense.
LA did everything wrong, nuff said.
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Quddus, Wades first 2 years far exceed what Kobe did in his first two years...
Also Kobe is a dick, so lay off his nuts. And go drink some Sprite and put on your Kobe jersey, Nike\'s and eat some Mc\'D\'s
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I\'m pretty sure that Kobe got canned from his Sprite deals after that, you know, whole raping of a Colorado woman thing. Not exactly the type of persona you want in your ads :)
See Yuz.
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The Rockets and Mavs series is probably the most exciting series so far this round
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Just as I predicted SUNS SWEEP!!! First round anway..
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Word.
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Spurs won again (suprise, suprise). Kenyon who? And what did I say about keeping Ginobli out of the lane.
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Congrats on winning what Charles Barkely referred to as the worst officiated game he\'d ever seen :p
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wizards will win the series with chicago.. so far it\'s been fun to watch (the little bit that I have)
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Man I watch the sac/sonics games the other day. Man Ray Ray put up 45 points. Man the kings sucks. I hope the sonics go further.
Best series next to pistons/sixers/mavs/rockets
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The Pistons series sucked lol, and Ray Ray.... thats such a homo nickname.
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I like the Pacers Celtics series, simply for the fact that it has made zero sense.
And I liked the Sixers Pistons series. The games were pretty close. I feel like the Sixers could actually have a shot at doing something in the future. Maybe Webber will contribute more and the young guys will mature and Iverson will continue to kick ass.
I really don\'t understand anyone who says Allen Iverson is not a top 5 player in the NBA. The only people I would put ahead of him at this moment are Shaq, Duncan, and maybe Garnett. But maybe not. I think Iverson is the best guard in the NBA.
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Probably, but I\'d say Steve Nash gives him a run for his money.
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Steve Nash to me is just like Jason Kidd. They\'re great players, but they can\'t carry a team. They set other guys up, but can\'t do it themselves. I\'d love them on a team of mine, but I\'d never start a team with them.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Steve Nash to me is just like Jason Kidd. They\'re great players, but they can\'t carry a team. They set other guys up, but can\'t do it themselves. I\'d love them on a team of mine, but I\'d never start a team with them.
You are crazy.
A. What do you mean by "can\'t do it themselves?" If you mean that Nash can\'t score, rebound, and defend as well as others, you are completely wrong and you haven\'t been watching any Suns games this season. This guy is a complete player.
2. Nash and Kidd come from the same philosophy of point guard training, but Nash is several notches above Kidd in skill level. Both of them came from the same school, and the same instructor, Kevin Johnson, aka "The Professor."
C. Teams that feature one superstar who is expected to "carry" the rest of the scrubs on his back usually lose to another team of selfless competitors who play as a team. This is simply obvious, and we\'ve seen it repeated again and again through the years. Even if Nash couldn\'t hit 3-point shots, had a terrible FT percentage, and couldn\'t make a layup to save his life, I would STILL start him on my NBA team just for the assists. Handing out assists instead of scoring multiplies the scoring potential by a factor of 1.5 or more. Start adding indefinable factors like the assist recipients warming up faster, and the speedup in gameplay that assists create, and the advantages are off the meter.
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Iverson carrying the sixers might be the reason why they never get anywhere. Nash and to an extent just are guys that just make everything happen be it through a pass or through their own scoring. Nash is a great playermaker, which evens out Iverson\'s one man show type of setup.
I wouldn\'t even call Iverson a guard...he\'s just...a freakishely good scorer. I think I heard Bill Walton say that he could shoot you out of a game or into a game. Walton also said Nash for mvp. :p
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Originally posted by Coredweller
A. What do you mean by "can\'t do it themselves?" If you mean that Nash can\'t score, rebound, and defend as well as others, you are completely wrong and you haven\'t been watching any Suns games this season. This guy is a complete player.
Ok, let\'s go piece by piece.
Iverson is a better defender than Nash. Would you debate that? He was second in the league in steals. Nash wasn\'t even on the radar.
As far as rebounding, Nash averaged 3 a game, and had double digit rebounds only once this year. I would certainly not call him a good rebounder.
As far as scoring, Nash shoots a high percentage, is one of the better three point shooters, and shoots very well from the line. However, if I were to put him on a team with less scoring talent than the Suns, I think the shooting percentage drops off significantly. It\'s a lot easier to shoot a high percentage when you aren\'t the first scoring option and when you take fewer shots a night. I don\'t think he is a legitimate first scoring option for a good team. That is the difference to me.
Iverson was 1st in the league in scoring, 2nd in steals, and 5th in assists. He shot his highest percentage in 7 years. He gets to the line as well as anyone, and he shoots a high percentage there. He is possibly the best one on one player in the league. It is not his fault that he never has the talent around him. Webber was hurt this year, but before him, name the best player Iverson has played with. He CARRIED a team to the NBA finals, somewhere Nash has never been despite having unarguably better supporting casts with people like Nowitzki, Finley, Amare, and Marion. He has switched positions for his team, he has showed he can play well and share the ball with other stars as well. If there\'s any doubt about that, look at the olympics, where he was one of maybe two US players who can say they played well, and the All star game, where he\'s a 2 time MVP.
Nash helps a team gel together. He\'s a great third scoring option. He distributes the ball with the best of them. But he is not a super star on the level of Iverson.
2. Nash and Kidd come from the same philosophy of point guard training, but Nash is several notches above Kidd in skill level. Both of them came from the same school, and the same instructor, Kevin Johnson, aka "The Professor."
Nash is better than Kidd now, I won\'t argue that. I just made the Kidd reference because he was in the same situation a couple years ago of coming to a bad team with talent and helping them do something.
C. Teams that feature one superstar who is expected to "carry" the rest of the scrubs on his back usually lose to another team of selfless competitors who play as a team. This is simply obvious, and we\'ve seen it repeated again and again through the years. Even if Nash couldn\'t hit 3-point shots, had a terrible FT percentage, and couldn\'t make a layup to save his life, I would STILL start him on my NBA team just for the assists. Handing out assists instead of scoring multiplies the scoring potential by a factor of 1.5 or more. Start adding indefinable factors like the assist recipients warming up faster, and the speedup in gameplay that assists create, and the advantages are off the meter.
As I\'ve already said, you think Iverson wants to be the only star on his team? He\'s shown he can play with other stars, they just haven\'t been there in Philly. As for playing Nash if he couldn\'t shoot, I\'m not sure he would be a starter then. If he couldn\'t shoot, people could defend the passing lanes more and play further off him, which would make everything harder.
And as for assists vs. scoring, Iverson was 5th in the league in assists. He had 3.5 more assists per game than Iverson, who averaged 8 apg. Iverson averaged 15 more ppg. I\'d take the 15 ppg over the 3.5 apg.
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I think we started on the wrong assumption, so I\'ll back up a bit. I actually like Iverson, and I wasn\'t trying to argue that Nash > Iverson. (Although I do take issue with you apparently stating that Iverson > Nash) At first I was just contesting your statement that you\'d never start a team with him. That is plainly absurd, especially considering the record the Suns compiled in the more difficult Western Conference this year.
As far as Nash\'s history, I don\'t know exactly why he wasn\'t as successful in Dallas as he has been in Phoenix. Certainly he\'s been growing and improving as a player, but there must be some indefinable element in the chemistry of the teams that contributes to the situation. BTW this is Nash\'s FIRST season in Phoenix, so you can leave Amare and Marion out of your statement about "despite having unarguably better supporting casts." The Suns are GOING TO THE FINALS THIS SEASON. You heard it here. :D
Iverson was 1st in the league in scoring, 2nd in steals, and 5th in assists. He shot his highest percentage in 7 years. He gets to the line as well as anyone, and he shoots a high percentage there.
I see you worded some of these statements carefully. :) He accomplished his 1st in scoring by playing an average of 8 minutes more per game than Nash. (Not his fault, but you have to take it into consideration) Nash averages 2.5 more assists than his next closest competitor. Still, 7.9 assist per game is good for Iverson. I just think it reflects the poor standards the league has developed over the last 10 years. I happen to think the NBA should have 15 or more players with at least 10 assists per game, instead of ONE player.
Iverson\'s field goal percentage is .424. Nash\'s is better at .502. Iverson\'s free throw percentage may be good at .835, but Nash\'s is better at .887. Let\'s not forget another of Iverson\'s no.1 ratings: First in the league in turnovers at 4.59. :D
It\'s dumb to argue which player is better; they are both great. I just think it\'s especially crazy to say you wouldn\'t start Nash because he\'s never "carried a team." The goal should be to build a team that doesn\'t need to be carried by anyone. That is the path to success in the regular season, as the Suns demonstrated with 62 wins. If Nash started with the Suns, and they had that kind of success, how can you argue with it? :)
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Originally posted by JBean
wizards will win the series with chicago...
That last second shot Arenas made over two defenders was sweet. I could really care less about the NBA, but I guess i\'m pulling for the Wizards as they are the closest team to me and have been sooooo dreadful for sooooo long.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
As far as Nash\'s history, I don\'t know exactly why he wasn\'t as successful in Dallas as he has been in Phoenix. Certainly he\'s been growing and improving as a player, but there must be some indefinable element in the chemistry of the teams that contributes to the situation. BTW this is Nash\'s FIRST season in Phoenix, so you can leave Amare and Marion out of your statement about "despite having unarguably better supporting casts." The Suns are GOING TO THE FINALS THIS SEASON. You heard it here. :D
I think the reason is simple enough for why he\'s having more success in Phoenix than in Dallas. It\'s all about the style of offense they\'re running. In Dallas, they had a high power offense, but it wasn\'t run the same way at the one in Phoenix. A lot of the time it was run through different people, other than Nash. The Phoenix game is more open, it suits his talents better.
The reason I wouldn\'t take Nash first to start my team is that I think to use him best, you have to be able to use him in this sort of an offense, and being able to run this sort of an offense requires other skilled players. Think of how Phoenix would look without Marion and Amare there.
As for me including them in the arguement about what Nash has done, I was just pointing out that that is his situation now, because before this year, he wouldn\'t have even been in the conversation of the best guard in the league.
And as for the Suns being in the finals, I\'d love that.
I see you worded some of these statements carefully. :) He accomplished his 1st in scoring by playing an average of 8 minutes more per game than Nash. (Not his fault, but you have to take it into consideration) Nash averages 2.5 more assists than his next closest competitor. Still, 7.9 assist per game is good for Iverson. I just think it reflects the poor standards the league has developed over the last 10 years. I happen to think the NBA should have 15 or more players with at least 10 assists per game, instead of ONE player.
Iverson\'s field goal percentage is .424. Nash\'s is better at .502. Iverson\'s free throw percentage may be good at .835, but Nash\'s is better at .887. Let\'s not forget another of Iverson\'s no.1 ratings: First in the league in turnovers at 4.59. :D
And Nash was 7th in the league in turnovers per game, despite playing so many fewer mintues. Look at the list of the top players in turnovers per game: Iverson, Wade, Bryant, Francis, Walker, James, Nash. Those are some of the very best in the league. It\'s not because they\'re bad, it\'s just because they have so many more opportunities to turn it over. They touch the ball on every play, and the offense runs through them, to varying degrees.
As far as the shooting percentage, once again, there are reasons for that. It is easier to shoot a high percentage when you are not the first and main scoring option, as Iverson is. Hell, I should know. A player from my college team led the nation in 3 point shooting as a 3rd option on the team 2 years ago. Then the two better players graduated and he sucked. I\'m not saying Nash sucks, but just saying when you have guys that detract attention and prevent double teams, it makes it easier, and Nash has that a lot more than Iverson. Plus, taking fewer shots makes it easier too.
It\'s dumb to argue which player is better; they are both great. I just think it\'s especially crazy to say you wouldn\'t start Nash because he\'s never "carried a team." The goal should be to build a team that doesn\'t need to be carried by anyone. That is the path to success in the regular season, as the Suns demonstrated with 62 wins. If Nash started with the Suns, and they had that kind of success, how can you argue with it? :) [/B]
Don\'t get me wrong, I would love to have Nash on my team. I just would rather make sure I had a legitimate top flight scorer for him to play with. I mean, can you imagine what it would be like if Nash were leading the Hawks or something?
I agree, you don\'t want to make a one man team, but I would like a player who can step up if his team is playing poorly and put them on his back. Besides maybe the Pistons last year, every previous champion for a long time has had a player like that (Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Hakeem). I think that\'s important. You don\'t have them carry by design, but sometimes they do by necesity. I think Nash is a good player to compliment other talent. He makes other players better, he runs a team well, etc. But if he were running a team with no talent, it might be hard. Once again, I ask you, before this year, what has he done that was so noteworthy? (Besides being replaced by Nick Van Exel, of all people, in crunch time).
And as for this year, against serious competition, it still remains to be seen if the team will be able to play this way in the playoffs. We\'ll see :)
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Originally posted by JBean
That last second shot Arenas made over two defenders was sweet. I could really care less about the NBA, but I guess i\'m pulling for the Wizards as they are the closest team to me and have been sooooo dreadful for sooooo long.
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That made me sick to my stomach :(
I watched the entire 2nd half...them getting down by 22, then them coming all the way back, and only for that to happen...just gross. At the very least, Chicago proved they weren\'t completley inept. Just have to put it on the court in Washington on Friday, that\'s all.
Oh, and I thought Peter Angelos pretty much decided that it was sacreligious for a person in Baltimore to root for anything in D.C. ;)
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Oh, and I thought Peter Angelos pretty much decided that it was sacreligious for a person in Baltimore to root for anything in D.C. ;)
See Yuz.
maybe I would agree if Angelos wasn\'t such a douche, and I don\'t really live in baltimore anymore... I live down near the ocean now :)
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I hope the suns go all the way I hate the spurs and everything about them.
Go sonics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What is there to hate about the spurs? The poor sportsmanship? Their lack of teamwork? Their selfish superstar?
Oh wait, thats the Lakers.
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Their style of play.
*yawn*
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Yeah whatever.
Manu\'s insane layups are boring and so is his fearlessness. Tony Parker\'s speed is nothing special. And Duncans unstoppable bank shots are too.
Please just admit it, you\'re tired of their years of success. Its understandable, nobody likes a team like that unless your a fan of the team. Ex: yankees, red wings, eagles
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I\'m not a fan of the Eagles, and I root for them. Maybe the Pats would be a better example?
And no, I don\'t hate a team for winning one of the last 5 titles. I hate them for posting scores in the 80\'s and playing a slow, halfcourt style game. Although honestly, I don\'t really hate them. But if I did, that would be why :p
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My hatred for the spurs go way back. I just never really cared for them. I hated the admiral. I don\'t like a single person on that team. There style of play is rather boring.
I just can\'t stand the players on the team. They think they are the shit. I am glad to see any team beat the spurs. I was so happy last season they blew it and got destroyed by the lakers. I just hope the suns don\'t choke. I have a bad feeling the suns will choke against the spurs.
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You just hate them because they made you gay lover cry on national tv in 2003.
And what do you mean they think they are the shit? They are maybe the most humble team in the NBA, and they have every reason not to. They have the best record of any major league team in the last 6 years. Not only that Tim Duncan is as humble as they come, their superstar.
Bullshit, you just hate them because they\'re consistently great.
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"Great" but not "#1" as your title says. :)
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Nash won the MVP, he deserved it
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2054677
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Hell Yeah! Sweet. :D
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This is probably one of the best Nba seasons in a long while. Kind of messed up what happen to the sonics. The purrrrs just ran all over them:(
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spaaaaaaam
fuck the suns
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I can\'t believe we let the pacers come back and win.
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How do you think we feal??? Also what the fuck someone else couldnt shoot the free throws?
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005/news/story?id=2058372
Joe Johnson has a fractured orbital bone over left eye. He will have surgery today, and miss game 3 on Friday.
I don\'t blame Jerry Steakhouse. It was a flagrant foul because of the body contact, but it was also just bad luck that Joe landed the way he did.
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Go Pacers.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Go Pacers.
While shocky you serious? You know they don\'t stand a chance against us. Well they might. We match up too good with pacers. I don\'t know the rivalry is just so strong.
In the end you know the pacers are going down. But it doesn\'t hurt to cheer for the loser:p
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What can I say, I like to root for the underdog.
Will the Pacers win the series? Probably not. Do they have a shot? Probably. The underdog always has more of a chance in such an intense rivalry.
Doesn\'t matter...it\'s just the battle for the right to lose to the Heat anyway.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
What can I say, I like to root for the underdog.
Will the Pacers win the series? Probably not. Do they have a shot? Probably. The underdog always has more of a chance in such an intense rivalry.
Doesn\'t matter...it\'s just the battle for the right to lose to the Heat anyway.
Man you are so confident in those Miami heat. They did have a good season but all in all. Detroit has the better overall team.
The heat are not even better than last years lakers IMO
I can only imagine what kind of season the lakers would have had without the Kobe trial.
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There is a bit of sarcasm in my overconfidence. I think it will be a good series if they play Detroit. I do think Miami will win, but I think it\'ll be close.
There is no proof or reason to say that Detroit has the better team. Miami had the better record.
And the Heat are better than last year\'s Lakers. Wade is better than Kobe in my eyes, Shaq is in MUCH better shape this year and is more motivated, and I think the supporting cast in Miami is better suited for the team, and perhaps better overall as well.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
There is a bit of sarcasm in my overconfidence. I think it will be a good series if they play Detroit. I do think Miami will win, but I think it\'ll be close.
There is no proof or reason to say that Detroit has the better team. Miami had the better record.
And the Heat are better than last year\'s Lakers. Wade is better than Kobe in my eyes, Shaq is in MUCH better shape this year and is more motivated, and I think the supporting cast in Miami is better suited for the team, and perhaps better overall as well.
Better record does not mean better team. I think overall detroit has an all around better team. I mean beyond wade/shaq nobody on the heat poses a threat. I think eddie is still decent at best. I think shaq has made everyone better. I just don\'t see their supporting cast beating the pistons.
I guess time will tell which team is better. The pistons do have the better coach.
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While what happen to the suns? Dallas flat out outplayed them. I mean Avery said he would have his guys ready for game 2 and they were ready from tip off. I think Dallas could easily end up stealing this series from the suns.
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Mavericks "flat out outplayed them..." ? Final score was 108-106. That\'s not "flat out outplaying," that\'s sneaking away with a win. I predict that Dallas cannot repeat that performance, and Phoenix will adjust anyway, so it\'s irrelevant. Suns still hold the edge.
In the East, Detroit will break Miami if they advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. Miami would probably crush Indiana if it came to that, but it probably won\'t.
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Never underestimate a Van Gundy.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Mavericks "flat out outplayed them..." ? Final score was 108-106. That\'s not "flat out outplaying," that\'s sneaking away with a win. I predict that Dallas cannot repeat that performance, and Phoenix will adjust anyway, so it\'s irrelevant. Suns still hold the edge.
In the East, Detroit will break Miami if they advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. Miami would probably crush Indiana if it came to that, but it probably won\'t.
Adjust? How do they plan to do that while playing just 7 players and with Joe Johnson out. Suns hold the edge? How so they just lost home court advantage. If you ask me, this is going to be a 7 game series all because of avery johnson. The man put defense into their game, and Dampier is riled up.
So quick to jump on the spurs, but when the suns lose a game its a fluke.
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Wanna know the difference Vivi.....
Your and ass and the spurs suck!
The suns don\'t.
I know I used alot of big words but try and keep up k..
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No! You\'re an ass! Im telling on you!!!!! DAAAAAADDDD
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Originally posted by Halberto
Adjust? How do they plan to do that while playing just 7 players and with Joe Johnson out. Suns hold the edge? How so they just lost home court advantage. If you ask me, this is going to be a 7 game series all because of avery johnson. The man put defense into their game, and Dampier is riled up.
So quick to jump on the spurs, but when the suns lose a game its a fluke.
You must have me confused with someone else. This season, I have not said the Spurs suck. The only mention I have made of them was to contest your assertion that they are "#1."
Joe Johnson will be back before this series ends. Mike D\'Antoni may switch back to using Leandro Barbosa as backup pointguard to Steve Nash. That was working well in the last 1/3 of the regular season. There are many substitution configurations available which will suffice until Joe returns.
Home court advantage is a meaningless statement because it was only available to Phoenix if the series went 7 games in the first place. It would be a failure, and far too risky to let the series go that far anyway, so "home court advantage" is an utterly stupid thing to call an advantage.
The Suns have been rising to every challenge this season, and they will rise to this one. They have more heart, more determination, and more killer instinct than Dallas. So let it be written, so let it be done.
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If the heat think they can beat the pistons with a unhealthy shaq they\'re sadly mistaken.
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If the Pistons even play the Heat.
2-1 Pacers.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
If the Pistons even play the Heat.
2-1 Pacers.
I was waiting on you to say that:laughing:
You know the pistons and pacers is not an ordinary series. It just seems like they match up so darn well. I mean they have simular styels.
If the pacers was to play the heat they would go out in 4
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Do you see me denying any of that? :)
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40-65 the pistons are killing them.
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now that is defense, good show detroit
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Bring on the Heat
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no more miller time....
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sad to see reggie go...
Pistons will win the championship, I guaransheed it!
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Well I hope shaq injury is a little better. Doesn\'t sound good for heat if shaq can\'t perform. I know shocky thinks they will win. Without shaq at his best how can anyone possibly think the heat will own the pistons or even stand a chance?
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Even if he is ready for game 1, how will he play after out for sitting out for so long....
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This is great. We finally get to see which team is best. No excuses people, I dont to hear any of it.
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The Pacers won two games. The Heat are worlds better than the Pacers. If Shaq can play, even not at 100%, he has more of an effect on the game than anyone else. And Dwayne Wade has proven he can carry the team when need be.
Go Heat.
Go Suns.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
If Shaq can play, even not at 100%, he has more of an effect on the game than anyone else.
So far in these playoffs he hasnt shown it.
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I\'m looking forward to this. No excuses from me or anyone. This is the sweetness. The Suns may look wild and out of control, but they are gradually growing stronger. They have only played "THEIR" style occasionally, in one-quarter spurts during the first two rounds. If they can survive the pressure and assemble entire games running their style of ball, they are unstoppable.
I make no predictions, and I\'ve made no bets with anyone. I respect the Spurs even if I don\'t like them. This is the magic season, and I\'m not about to taint it with trash talk or wild speculation. I\'m just gonna enjoy this run as far as it goes.
I just purchased tickets to Game 1 of the western conference finals, and I will be in America West Arena on Sunday. The Purple Palace will be rockin\' hard, you best believe.
:dance: :dance: :dance:
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Originally posted by Halberto
So far in these playoffs he hasnt shown it.
So far he hasn\'t had to. Let\'s not forget, his team hasn\'t lost a game yet.
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This makes me sick:
As Tim Duncan rolled on the floor clutching his left foot in pain Thursday night, some of the Spurs were surprised by what they heard.
Cheering.
The sellout crowd in KeyArena roared when it looked like Duncan might have to leave the game with a sprained ankle.
"There\'s something about good sportsmanship where you never like to see anybody go down," Bruce Bowen said. "But they chose to cheer, so be it."
The Spurs also had a plastic water bottle thrown toward their bench in the third quarter. All three games at KeyArena were among the most raucous the Spurs have experienced this season — and considerably more frenzied than any at the SBC Center.
Not every team is like this. When Tim Duncan hurt his ankle in Detroit the Pistons GM flew him on his private jet to get help.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Pacers won two games. The Heat are worlds better than the Pacers. If Shaq can play, even not at 100%, he has more of an effect on the game than anyone else. And Dwayne Wade has proven he can carry the team when need be.
Go Heat.
Go Suns.
Maybe with Jermaine and Tinsley both still hurting from their injuries and without Artest they are, but not when everyone is in the lineup and healthy.
The Pacers beat the Heat 3 out of 4 times this year without Artest in the lineup. I don\'t know for sure if Shaq played in all of those games, but I know he did at least 2 of them.
Anyway I don\'t think the Heat will beat Detroit. Chauncey Billups is gonna give Wade fits. If Shaq isn\'t healthy they are gonna make Wade work for every single shot.
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Also, Shaq is matching up with the worst person ever to play against hurt. Ben Wallace is going to give him fits. Prepare to see lots of brick free throws.
BTW, Spurs won. :)
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I expected a post here by you.. not much runing in our face though hmmm great game its was yes Yoda says.
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I know its not going to be a 4-5 game series, so dont expect any trash talking from me.
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ya this is gonna be a tough series and good to watch we need our other guard in there damn it cause our bench didnt do shit and The Matrix come on marion.....
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God I hope the Pistons don\'t win it all... I don\'t mind the other three, but I can\'t stand the Pistons.
Personally, I think it\'d be nice to see the Suns win it.
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Why can\'t you stand the Pistons? :)
Go...Darko!
Or, you know, Go Suns. Just to spite a friend of mine who for some reason is a die hard Spurs fan. It\'s hard enough for me to hear about this crap during the regular season, when I just don\'t give a shit about basketball.
See Yuz.
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Haha... Well for one they decimated the Lakers last year in the championship, and we have been walking around in our own shit ever since.
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I haven\'t seen a single inning
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As always, we prove the stupid media wrong once again. When will they accept Detroit as one of the best teams of the 2000s. We completely shut down Wade and for me, the game was sort of, ho hum. Same game I always watch the Pistons play. They didn\'t play that great or do anything amazing, it was just Piston basketball. Rip coming off screens, Billups overpowering the other PG, Ben playing great D, Prince being very dynamic and Sheed just being Sheed. All you doubters make me sick, wait until the Pistons have a good game against Miami.
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I hate Rasheed... whats that thing on his head?
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Spurs won both games in Phoenix.... Must... not... talk shit.... ><
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I hate Rasheed... whats that thing on his head?
A white patch I think? I dunno, Sheed is the bummiest looking player I have ever seen, but he still can play pretty good.
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The Suns REALLY miss Joe Johnson. They just don\'t have the depth to absorb that kinda loss.
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Better be Heat vs Suns in the final...I don\'t care where your from...Detroit vs Spurs would be the most boring series of all time.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The Suns REALLY miss Joe Johnson. They just don\'t have the depth to absorb that kinda loss.
I know right! I mean Poenix only shot 56% last night :rolleyes: They still lost
And I still don\'t get how people can say the spurs are boring.
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boring? whatever
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I\'m rooting for the Suns and Heat.
Not looking good for either of them.
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Originally posted by Halberto
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^ Technical foul
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when the most exciting player on a team is white you know something is wrong!
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So the Celtics were boring?
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Originally posted by Halberto
So the Celtics were boring?
yes.
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Dwayne Wade is a beast
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Guess who\'s coming back for Game 3?
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Bout damn time.
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Remember last year when the spurs went 2-0 up on the lakers and lost the next 4 in a row.
Sweet:D
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Keep praying buddy...
Good luck beating the spurs at home, they only lost one game there with Duncan.
On top of that, Duncan rested his ankle for a few days.
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Originally posted by Halberto
I know its not going to be a 4-5 game series, so dont expect any trash talking from me.
shit, was I wrong
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005/dailydime?page=dailydime-050528
The best defense always beats good offense, isnt that what you meant to say Cyrus?
Can you say
SWEEP
Quddus, this isnt the lakers series.
I can\'t wait for everyone to start hyping up the eastern teams.
Ahhh... got all of that out of my system.
GO SPURS GO! :laughing:
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Gawd do the suns suck so bad:gman: I mean I hate the spurs with a passion. I can\'t stand anyone on that team. Man I would give anything to see the suns come back and win 4 in a row.
Sadly that is not going to happen. So I am forced to have to deal with the spurs in the finals. One of the most boring teams in the leagues. They have nobody on that team with any character.
The spurs are boring. I would rather watch my grandmother paint her toes than watch the spurs play.
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Bullshit, even your lover Kobe Bryant thinks Manu is the most exciting player in the league. Are you going to go against your god?
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Originally posted by Halberto
Bullshit, even your lover Kobe Bryant thinks Manu is the most exciting player in the league. Are you going to go against your god?
:laughing: Thats all I can do
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Originally posted by Halberto
shit, was I wrong
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005/dailydime?page=dailydime-050528
The best defense always beats good offense, isnt that what you meant to say Cyrus?
Can you say
SWEEP
Quddus, this isnt the lakers series.
I can\'t wait for everyone to start hyping up the eastern teams.
Ahhh... got all of that out of my system.
GO SPURS GO! :laughing:
Thank GOD NO SWEEP!!
If any team can its this one GO SUNS!!!
Pulling off 3 more wins is gonna be REALLY HARD!!
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Go Celtics!!!
Whoops, they blew it first round.
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Shocky has not been around. His pick the heat sure looked good.
Boy is that Dwayne a beast. I sure hope the pistons win tonite.
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I love how the Suns fans arent even posting in here, except for Cyrus. I also love how Core gave me such a hard time that they were number 1 and then nonchalantly changes his avvy to the Pistons.
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That\'s because the Spurs weren\'t number one, and they still aren\'t. At least by some rational evaluation, Detroit could be called #1 because they are the defending world champions.
I hate your team, the same way most of the rest of the US hates them. Get used to it.
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They have no reason to hate them, the "not exciting" reason is absolute bull. Duncan might not show much emotion but their play is definately not boring. They simply win, and I guess too often. They might not have someone who likes try to be a badass but why should a team need to have someone like that? Your team sucks, how many techs did the players get together? A measly 6 for the season? HAH :rolleyes:
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refs rule all
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No, the not exciting reason isn\'t bullshit. They aren\'t exciting. Ask anyone who ISN\'T biases towards the team.
(go heat)
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Then dont ask anyone in here.
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Says the most biased of all.
Why do you think the rest of us are so biased? I have no reason to dislike the Spurs. The only reason I do is because I don\'t like to watch them play. Other teams just play a more exciting game, to me.
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[size=20]THE HEAT WILL WIN TONIGHT. I GUARANTEE IT.[/size]
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Yeah if Shaq can miraculously play like he used to.
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stfu... Shaq has owned the Spurs time and time again.
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Yeah. He used to.
And way to call that game :laughing:
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I\'m completley unbiased, and I\'d like to say this.
Manu Ginoubli is a dirty foregin asshat. He personifies the role of "that sleazy guy that acts like it, too". Flops, complains, and he absolutley looks the part of the team asshole.
I don\'t mind the Spurs, but god do I hate Manu Ginoubli.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
[size=20]THE HEAT WILL WIN TONIGHT. I GUARANTEE IT.[/size]
I meant game 7, sillies.
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Dwayne Wade better be healthy.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
I\'m completley unbiased, and I\'d like to say this.
Manu Ginoubli is a dirty foregin asshat. He personifies the role of "that sleazy guy that acts like it, too". Flops, complains, and he absolutley looks the part of the team asshole.
I don\'t mind the Spurs, but god do I hate Manu Ginoubli.
See Yuz.
:laughing:
:thumb:
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God I go on vacation and the fucking loose everything.... I dont care who wins I guess GO SPURS!!! So at least we coul dhave lost to the champions...
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Kobe would have played.
Kobe>wade
Shaq = pissed:laughing:
I\'m lovin it!!!!!:p
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Kobe > Wade?
Yeah...right.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Kobe > Wade?
Yeah...right.
Detroiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit Basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahaha:laughing: wade almost got to experience what it feels like to be Kobe.
Kobe>Wade
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First of all, Wade > Kobe, regardless of what happened last night.
Second of all, if the entire team wasn\'t injured, it woulda been a different story.
These finals are gonna be so boring.
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Damn I totally called that one.
I can\'t believe the two teams I didn\'t wanna see are in it.
I don\'t give two shits about what happens in the finals.
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yea, lost interest completely now
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Damn I totally called that one.
I can\'t believe the two teams I didn\'t wanna see are in it.
I don\'t give two shits about what happens in the finals.
Detroitttt Basketbawllllllllllllllllllllllll
oh so sorry the 2 best teams are in the finals. should have been that way last year too.
And F all you stupid heat lovers out there saying that they would win it as soon as they made the Shaq deal. They get all the calls and still can\'t win. My personal favorite was when the ref knocked one of the Heat out of bounds and called a foul on chauncey cuz he was the closest Piston.
And oh yea.. Q Lebron > Wade > Garnett > Iverson > Tmac > Nash > Duncan > Shaq > Dirk > Amare > Carter > Allen > Pierce > Billups > Hamilton > Marbury > Darko > Kobe
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Kobe > Wade
thats what I think of your list.
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Damn wade come on
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Where the fuck is Kobe?
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Miami=owned
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Where the fuck is Kobe?
Sitting at home because he didnt make the playoffs. Funny how Shaq made it all the way to the conference finals.
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Kobe + Shaq = out in 5 against the Heat, with both players healthy.
Wade + Shaq = out in 7 with both players hurt. Both healthy, they woulda won.
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These finals are going to be great. Only true basketball fans will enjoy it and thats the truth. These two teams play team ball, and care about one thing: winning. The matchups will be entertaining at every position right down to the bench. Its master vs. apprentice at the coaching positions. Its 03 vs 04 champions. I don\'t understand how this series can be boring unless you want it to be. Because theres no Shaq or Kobe? Or because there is no good vs. evil scheme? Or because the teams play "boring" basketball. Whatever, thats why game 7 between the heat and pistons was the highest rated playoff game ever on cable TV. And whos to say it will be low scoring. The last time the pistons and spurs met both teams scored over 100 points.
Quit crying.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Kobe + Shaq = out in 5 against the Heat, with both players healthy.
Wade + Shaq = out in 7 with both players hurt. Both healthy, they woulda won.
Kobe + shaq = 3 rings
Shaq + wade = 0
wade/shaq = owned
If the lakers would have stayed together they would be in the finals now.
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quddus is their something in your brain that causes you to be wrong 100% of the time?
whatever natural instinct you have...please do and say the exact opposite(see seinfeld for further reference).
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Ginobli haters must hate him more than ever. BRAVO OBI-WAN GINOBLI :)
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Originally posted by Halberto
These finals are going to be great. Only true basketball fans will enjoy it and thats the truth. These two teams play team ball, and care about one thing: winning. The matchups will be entertaining at every position right down to the bench. Its master vs. apprentice at the coaching positions. Its 03 vs 04 champions. I don\'t understand how this series can be boring unless you want it to be. Because theres no Shaq or Kobe? Or because there is no good vs. evil scheme? Or because the teams play "boring" basketball. Whatever, thats why game 7 between the heat and pistons was the highest rated playoff game ever on cable TV. And whos to say it will be low scoring. The last time the pistons and spurs met both teams scored over 100 points.
Quit crying.
A man of great wisdom. Everybody should quit crying cuz their teams didn\'t make it.
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Vivi remembers how bad kobe and shaq used to own the spurs. :)
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I will never forget the spurs making Kobe cry on the bench, to this day it brings me great joy :)
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As I will not forget the time Derek Fisher nailed a game-winner with .04 seconds left. :)
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And I will never forget the great downfall of the Lakers, the team that destroyed the meaning of team.
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the spurs are lucky robinson was injured one year and they got duncan, nuff said
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Too true. We could have been seeing the Celtics in the finals instead.
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Originally posted by Halberto
And I will never forget the great downfall of the Lakers, the team that destroyed the meaning of team.
Lakers are never down on out for long... they\'ll be back.
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Just like the Celtics came back and won the Finals in 1987.. right?
Face it, the Lakers only get to stick around when they have the best talent in the league. Any team would do what they did in 2000-2002 with Shaq and Phil.. you know it.
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97 points... there ya go. These finals are exactly how I thought it was going to be. MUHFUGGIN AWESOME!
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Spurs have this.
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They\'re just how I thought they\'d be too.
*yawn*
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I bet you aren\'t even watching it. Because someone who has been watching would know it wasn\'t boring.
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Tell me which of the games have been a nail biter? The games haven\'t even been close. Maybe interesting to a fan of the teams, but not to me.
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Did someone win yet?
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I see black people. They\'re everywhere.
j/k black people. :D
oh yeah, Go Buffalo Braves!
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yay!
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Owned. :laughing:
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I hate Detroit
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best of 3 series now. watch out, detroit\'s going ghetto.
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GET ON THE FLOOR BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2004-
Finals Pre Game 1 Bill Walton - "The Detroit Pistons do not have a chance with the awesome combo of Kobe and Shaq."
Finals Pre Game 4 Bill Walton - "Detroit is one of the most underrated teams in the league. They are simply the best."
2005-
Finals Pre Game 3 Bill Walton - "The Detroit Pistons are finished and shouldn\'t be in the finals right now. It is obvious that they just barely squeeked by Shaq and Wade."
Finals Pre Game 5 Bill Walton - "The Pistons are the most amazing team in the NBA. Whoever could count this team out should be exiled. Wow! Detroit!"
it\'s really damn easy to be an NBA analysis this days.
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lol@detroit
good game tho ;)
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Robbert Horry is the man.
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i cried a little when i saw them doubling ginnobli in the corner...WHY GOD WHY.
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Now that was awesome. What did I say? These finals are fucking sweet. That Game 5 should go down as one of the greatest finals games ever. So much drama. *drools*
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Originally posted by Halberto
Now that was awesome. What did I say? These finals are fucking sweet. That Game 5 should go down as one of the greatest finals games ever. So much drama. *drools*
Hey if we were all Spurs fans we\'d be loving it too.
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I smell BS.
Refs rule all
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Unbelievable.... I really didn\'t expect the Pistons to go into San Antonio and show any muscle at all.
Game 7!
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I smell BS.
Refs rule all
Whats BS?
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bullshit
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Go pistons!!!!! I really hate both teams but I hate San Antonio more.
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I know what it stands for I want to know what is BS about these finals?
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After over coming the refs in game 6, Pistons are going to kick the ever loving sheite out of the Spurs. We know they shit nizzow.
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Congrats to the Spurs.
Lakers 06\'.
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Wow Cored. Thats twice you were proven wrong by the Spurs! First you jumped on the Suns bandwagon and when the Spurs spanked them you changed your mind, the Pistons were now the best! Tisk tisk.
Damn... I must admit it feels good.
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Halberto is my friend.
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Originally posted by Halberto
Wow Cored. Thats twice you were proven wrong by the Spurs! First you jumped on the Suns bandwagon and when the Spurs spanked them you changed your mind, the Pistons were now the best! Tisk tisk.
Damn... I must admit it feels good.
Shove these comments up your ass, Vivi. Anyone who dares to accuse me of being a Suns bandwagoner is ignorant beyond measure. I was a Suns fan before you were born. Always have been, and always will be.
I did not jump any ship. There\'s nothing wrong with expressing my preference for Detroit over San Antonio, after my team was eliminated.
I was not the most vocal critic of the Spurs in this thread, so I have no idea why you\'re focusing on me.
I also find it amusing that instead of commenting on the great achievement your team brought about, and skillful way they reached their goal, you instead choose to attack others and discredit yourself once again. Why not take a mature posture and wait for someone to give your team a well deserved compliment? The Spurs deserve better fans than you.
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The \'05-\'06 season is over.
Van Exel and Michael Finley have joined the Spurs, and they are willing to take the bench therefore not messing with chemistry. Such a big boost, and mark my words... Indiana will pound Miami, Miami just picked up 2 ball hogs. 4 ball hogs can\'t share equally. Crash and burrrrrrrrn.
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Make a new thread already, beeyotch.
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I can\'t believe you guys can still discuss sports with the Hurricane aftermath and all.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Make a new thread already, beeyotch.
The season wont start till November, so I thought it would be a waste.
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damn the spurs
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playoffs are over i think
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Fuck the pros. I can\'t wait til college starts up again.
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14 more days till the season starts, I cant wait. Football is good, but NBA just has so much more energy to me.
This offseason was CRAZY. Larry Brown left Flip came in. Miami traded Eddie Jones for James Posey, Antoine Walker, and Jason Williams while adding the Glove. (dont think its going to be good tho). Spurs pick up 3 good players for around 5 million together while keeping the core. Rockets get stronger, so did the Kings, and the Knicks look like a team that will get to the second round. Lebron has Hughes to help out. Can\'t forget the zen master is back. Looks like the Suns collapsed. And Artest is finally back. This season looks like a lot will change.
Anyone know of any FREE nba fantasy leagues? I want to get into it
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yahoo has free fantasy leagues.
And the NBA can\'t hold a candle to college basketball. Which, by the way, officially started, in my book, at 12 am Saturday morning :)
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Yeah...NBA Basketball might be the worst product in America right now sprotswise. That\'s right, I said it. The worst.
I would watch Hockey before watching any game that doesn\'t involve either the Bulls or a team facing the Bulls. Awful product.
*continues to have 100% focus on College Football*
See Yuz.