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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GigaShadow on April 27, 2005, 10:42:36 AM
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Regardless of what you think of the game this kid is an idiot and the Swedish Consumer Association are even bigger idiots:
World of Warcraft is cheating you! (Swedes say)
Oh wow, consumer journalism reaches a new all-time high.
Many European countries have dedicated TV-shows for consumer journalism that focus on the consumers\' concerns and the many ways they can get cheated.
In Sweden there\'s a show called Plus, and it found out about a gruesome scheme called World of Warcraft.
A young Swede, Jonas Nilson, bought World of Warcraft: Collectors\' Edition. Once he got home, he was quite angry when he discovered that he actually needed the Internet to play WoW. After pulling a cable into the living room to his laptop (yes, laptop), he got another surprise: the monthly fee. Finally the 12+ PEGI rating didn\'t really match with the Blizzard site, which said 18-year-old. So he calls the shop (Elgiganten) to get a refund, which they rejected.
This prompted him to complain to the Consumer Association, which ruled in favor of Mr. Nilson. The result was a prime spot in the Swedish TV-show Plus, which conclusion was that "a monthly fee in computer games is just a clever way to get people\'s money" and that consumers should "watch this latest trend in computer gaming carefully".
So what\'s wrong with that?
The box says that Internet is required.
The box says there\'s a monthly fee to be paid.
PEGI-ratings are NOT handed out by Blizzard. The 18-year old requirement on the site is related to payment and credit cards.
Elgiganten should of course refund you if the product isn\'t as it was described. But it was...
If you\'re clever enough to read through the user conditions to realise that there\'s a different age recruitement than the the one the box, you should be able to read on and realise that Blizzard actually offers to refund your money if you\'re not satisfied with the conditions.
The monthly fee is not some devilish scheme to steal your money. It\'s by no means cheap to pay for hundreds of developers and supporters in several locations around the world in order to keep the game running and continue its development.
http://pc.boomtown.net/en_uk/articles/art.view.php?id=8021
There is even a video link at the bottom if you can endure 5 minutes of Swedish - meaning that if it isn\'t your native language.
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So many people just don\'t pay attention to the world around them.
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Yep, we normally call them Americans.....but not this time! USA! USA! USA!
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Sverker says "Hörru du, Gigashadow! Ska det vara så? Ska det? Ska det vara så?" *throws Gigashadow in the trash can*
(only people who watch Plus will understand that.)
Plus is a pretty good show when Sverker talks about people being ripped off for real. I didnt see this however (watches video)
EDIT: What a retard. He\'s from up north though so you cant expect too much from him. ;)
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I donno, paying monthly fees is bs. You\'ve paid the developers as soon as you\'ve bought the game. The monthly fees should be extremely low if anything. Think about how much u pay, times that by how many people have bought the game, then by whatever per year you have to pay. Thats a SHIT LOAD of cash, i doubt the developers themselves see even 1% of it.
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I donno, paying monthly fees is bs. You\'ve paid the developers as soon as you\'ve bought the game. The monthly fees should be extremely low if anything. Think about how much u pay, times that by how many people have bought the game, then by whatever per year you have to pay. Thats a SHIT LOAD of cash, i doubt the developers themselves see even 1% of it.
see, if you have never played a MMO before, you are just being ignorant.
WoW as 1.5 millions player base. they have a 500k people playing per night.
You really think the price of the box would cover the server infrastructure, the bandwith, the IT staff ??
Now, lets put in the always under devlopment systems (3rd patch so far, 30megs, 80megs, and 56megs(?)) Customer support, website, comunity manager /staff..
I usually buy 1 game per month (PC, GC or PS2) and since november i bought none.. only paid 12$ per month for WoW..
MMO are different then your general online game.
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:laughing: you think they need all the cash to service and pay staff. Dood, they do it for profit. They\'d run it on the smallest amount of staff possible and they\'d only update servers when they REALLY need to. They\'re making shitloads from this, its ignorant to think otherwise.
12 x 1.5million = 18million per month = 216 million per year. You still think they need all that for staff / servers :laughing:
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soully, you\'re a damn fool
do you have ANY kind of idea the server farms and bandwidth these games use?
games like WoW, and EQ2 are patched everyday to update various areas, whether network related or in game.
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I was skeptical on the monthly payment, but I\'ve seen that they really do an awfule lot of work on the game. I\'ve only had the game for a couple months and they\'ve changed quite a bit. Plus the fact that it is a HUGE bandwidth hog.
And OF COURSE they are making money. Why in the world would they do it to lose money?
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Originally posted by fastson
EDIT: What a retard. He\'s from up north though so you cant expect too much from him. ;)
So the people from Northern Sweden are like the people from California (most) in the US? ;)
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Originally posted by mm
soully, you\'re a damn fool
do you have ANY kind of idea the server farms and bandwidth these games use?
games like WoW, and EQ2 are patched everyday to update various areas, whether network related or in game.
it wouldn\'t cost anywhere near 18 million per month to maintain the servers, pay bandwidth, pay developers etc. They\'re in it for a profit, its really that simple and they\'d be making a large amount at that.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
it wouldn\'t cost anywhere near 18 million per month to maintain the servers, pay bandwidth, pay developers etc. They\'re in it for a profit, its really that simple and they\'d be making a large amount at that.
DO you know how much it costs?
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$17.9M
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Lol @ THX...
Only in Sweden! *looks at Fast*
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
DO you know how much it costs?
ohh dood, if u think it costs them 18 million per month you\'re a idiot. They wouldn\'t be doing this unless they were pocketing money. They\'re not retards like M$
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
They wouldn\'t be doing this unless they were pocketing money. They\'re not retards like M$
So M"$" doesn\'t pocket money? Caught ye! :nut:
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Originally posted by THX
So M"$" doesn\'t pocket money? Caught ye! :nut:
not when xbox was first released remember.
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I think the point he\'s trying to make is MS doesn\'t need to make money and have started a trend in attempting to take over other markets without regards to their own profits.
or not whateva
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Originally posted by Samwise
Lol @ THX...
Only in Sweden! *looks at Fast*
Only in Denmark.
http://www.boegballefriskole.dk/
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boegballefriskole.dk%2Fimg%2F150.gif&hash=dfaba453dd279994a6abd9821305b29ec2094e5b)
Bög = Gay
Balle = Dick
Gay-Dick Independent School
Your school, am I right? ;)
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soully....please...your....ignorance....is....painfull
ack!
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
So the people from Northern Sweden are like the people from California (most) in the US? ;)
Except in the US, games like WoW are usually developed in California... If I\'m not mistaken, Blizzard is located in Irvine. :)
We Californians say the same thing about the deep south. "Mama, the screen sez I need a credit card to play this here game on my AOL."
"Forget it Bubba, you AINT GETTIN MY CREDIT CARD!!!" :laughing:
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Originally posted by fastson
Your school, am I right? ;)
Hey, how did you know... :p
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...because gayness radiates from you like a supernova...
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mm, i guess you think they\'re losing money in this?
no
thank you.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
mm, i guess you think they\'re losing money in this?
no
thank you.
I miss the good \'ol days when you had your fiery skull avy...
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soully, please.
you think they only have to cover server and internet costs?
this isn\'t 5 guys working out of a garage, you know.
they probably have a staff of thousands, from programmers, to secretaries, to janitors. they probably even have a guy that fixes busted monitors like you do and works for 4 wood chips a week.
EVERY business in the world (even in shitty AU) is in it for money.
if you\'re too cheap to pay for it, don\'t gripe.
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Thank you for agreeing. I\'m not debating staff amounts or anything like that. They would run it at as little people as possible just about all companies do this, but u keep on arguing on this pointless topic, i\'ll continue with the amount they\'re making off WOW.
They\'re in it for profit, they\'d be making a large amount of it, otherwise it wouldn\'t be feasible for them to even bother doing it. You should knows after all ohh great business guru.
So err, how is that blockbuster job goin afterall?
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and works for 4 wood chips a week.
That is officially old now. Replace wood chips with "wampum." ;)
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soully, it\'s funny when you get beaten into a corner you lash out on personal matters.
you\'re a complete moron, a danger to yourself and those around you. please do not ever play with fire (unless you happen to be at a park a 5am "jogging" with your boyfriend)
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I\'m lashing out on personal matters. :laughing:
how many times do you try to give me shit about being australian, or attack me about my Job title. Even when you\'re telling me i lash out, you\'re still doing it.
You\'re more then a complete moron mm, you\'re a total dickhead!
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soully, as a practical business decision
i wouldn\'t trust you to run a lemonade stand
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i wouldn\'t trust u with any business full stop. :) Personal attacks are so fun huh MM.
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soully, you used to be so clever and constantly made me laugh
the last year or so, it\'s like you gave up
im dissapointed
i want the old soully back
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i\'m still clever, i\'m just at a higher level then your basic brain can comprehend.
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sorry, bro
lying isn\'t gonna help
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nice comeback (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ubi.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2F25.gif&hash=683e5a0cdb11021b105368d3698fd3dbdc960b9f)
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Yeah...his comebacks are like Zoolander\'s...
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this coming from a guy that has to state he pees standing up
:rolleyes:
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It\'s a line from Kung Pow... :stick:
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as if you think i would have watched it
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Evi has seen all the classics apparently. Both Kung Pow and Shanghai Knights.
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Shanghai Knights isn\'t a classic, and Kung Pow is just a stupid humor movie, made by the same guy who wrote and directed the Ace Ventura movies. mm is just too cool to watch anything like that. He\'d rather browse the internet 24/7 and then tell everyone how "old" their posts are.
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he\'d also like to tell them what to watch, what\'s and what\'s not a classic, what is and isn\'t good and how to "google" for answers to pc problems on the net.
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exactly
googling for answers prevents me from reading soully\'s dumb ass computer questions
oh, and please have oz make better films than shit like "Gallipoli". thanks
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ohh he just keeps on coming out with the lame ass attacks, even to go as low as to attack aussie war history.
How old is Gallipoli? If it’s so shit, why have you heard or even seen it. After all, you don\'t waste time on crap remember.
Good how shit loads of american movies are being made here too and you guys are paying Australians do to it. :laughing: Thanks for the wood chips.
ohh and MM, you don\'t answer my questions or anyone else’s. Not because you can, but because you can\'t.
Now be a good lad and go back to work putting those vids on the shelves.
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nice try, soully
you must have failed your A+ cert
:rolleyes:
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still have no decent comebacks ehh. You used to entertain me once, about 1 year ago something happened. Opps, no you didn\'t.
ps. wtf does my A+ cert have to do with anything??? lol man you\'re getting lamer with every post.
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then stop posting, and save me the small irritation
or stick to trolling the offtopic forum like normal
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ubi.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2F51.gif&hash=5ba1ec5e86aa58091665a82ffa84678f319da5ab) I thought you were smartier than these lame replies.
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you\'re still posting
and sorry you failed your A+
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Sorry mm, i\'m not following in your footsteps.
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Hey mm, I thought I discussed the Oz films thing with you before. There have been plenty of great Aussie movies made recently.
Check out Lantana if you haven\'t already. It even has Geoffry Rush in it, if that\'s any incentive to you. :)
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Does every thread have to be mm and Soully raping each other?
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Yes!
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Good gawd...watch out Soully...he might say you have to pay for everything with wood chips for the 100,000th time!! :eek: That\'ll be the ultimate burn.
Seriously though...you guys should just settle your differences, and like...hug...er something gay like that.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
Good gawd...watch out Soully...he might say you have to pay for everything with wood chips for the 100,000th time!! :eek: That\'ll be the ultimate burn.
Seriously though...you guys should just settle your differences, and like...hug...er something gay like that.
no way! soully and mm goin\' back and forth like that is just too damn entertaining...
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I miss the old bouncy boobies avatar...:(