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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: =RIOT= on April 29, 2005, 01:10:02 PM
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Hello Fellow Debaters:
Should Gay marriages be Legal OR Illegal? I believe, if everyone is a TRUE AMERICAN then Gay marriages should NOT BE BANNED! Let the freedom roam. C\'mon, I hear about 90% everyday how America has the Freedom, the Mankind, the Humanity no other country has...Why this now? Look around you- We have Different sets of cultures that once could not be fair. People are born the way they are. Born Gay- OK Let them be..Let them Marry.. Born a MAN but want to be a WOMAN- No one judges them...Why? See, no one cares about men truning into woman but care more about Gay marriages.. Can\'t you realize we as Americans are unique in differential ways. Why can\'t anyone leave it like it is? Nothing should matter, to anyone at this extent. Slavery, then African American Freedom and Rights...Woman Voting...Now this! Look what our country is turning into. It is falling apart. I need everyone, not just me, not just George W. Bush, but everyone, to help put our country back together......:hat: BUSH-GayMarriage (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/bush.gay.marriage/)It is possible to fail in many ways...while to succeed is possible only in one way.
Aristotle Greek critic, philosopher, physicist, & zoologist (384 BC - 322 BC)
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Meh....I could care less. It\'s a civil marriage anyway. In Cypruss, men can marry goats and sheeps. Ask Unicron. He married his whole flock. :)
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It is like any TRUE AMERICAN; You abide by The TEN AMMENDMENTS.. George W. Bush maybe the President, but he\'s doing some things wrong.. Hey, Im a republican; I\'ve always been, but Bush has something wrong here.. If your a Democrat why would you want a DONKEY for your Spokesperson?
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Note: There are more than 10 amendments to the US Constitution... unless you\'re thinking of "Commandments..." but no one really pays attention to those either. :)
BTW, where did you come from? Decided to register just to post up for the gays? You should be right at home; I\'ll introduce you to Samwise. :laughing:
In any case, I\'m in favor of HUMAN marriage. I couldn\'t care less whether it\'s straight, gay, communal, "open," or swinger-style. The hard core conservative side of this country is made up of a lot of nutters who like to get involved in other people\'s business. They see someone doing something across the street that doesn\'t affect them at all, and they don\'t like it. Not only do they not like it, they want to pass a law to make it illegal. They are a bunch of nosey busy bodies. Fortunately, you know what happens to nosey noses? They lose their noses.
Forget it Jake, it\'s Chinatown.
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See that is what I am directly on top of. Nobody cares if Gays get married but the Government. The Government is Evil, when their at the Highest Peak! Whatch Out for those nosey busy bodies. One day, their noses will fall off!
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Originally posted by =RIOT=
See that is what I am directly on top of.
One day, their noses will fall off!
Kinky. Dirty. I\'m so hard now. I\'m gonna put on my wizard hat and robe.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Kinky. Dirty. I\'m so hard now. I\'m gonna put on my wizard hat and robe.
lol. What was the other one? A bull? ha ha.
I have to find that.
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Of course they shouldn\'t be illegal.
Man, thanks for reminding me there are some people who argue the other way. It\'s easy to forget, you spend enough time away from babbling gay-haters and you forget they exist.
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Marriage is between a man and a woman period. Let them have civil unions.
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Marriage is between a white man and a white women, or a black man and a black women period. Let them marry each other exclusivly.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Marriage is between a white man and a white women, or a black man and a black women period. Let them marry each other exclusivly.
You are against inter-racial marriages?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
You are against inter-racial marriages?
uhm yea that\'s what i\'m gettin out of it :confused:..D. H. what you talkin\' bout willis?...
and i\'m with giga...marriage is between a man and a woman period, nothin\' against the gays at all. that\'s how it was meant to be...and that doesn\'t mean i\'m WITH giga :gfight: just that i AGREE with giga :D
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I hope that\'s not what he was getting at, because that would be pretty damn stupid...
Doesn\'t matter what f^ing race you are...
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I doesn\'t have to be that way..Men & Woman have that choice to pick from "Different Types" Perhaps, a woman doesn\'t have to marry a white man, even if she\'s white. She can marry a black man.. Its not Illegal anywhere. Same for men. Men should have the same right on Gay Marriage...
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a woman doesn\'t have to marry a white man, even if she\'s white. She can marry a black man.. Its not Illegal anywhere.
It\'s still illegal in some places. There was a state that finally lifted the law banning interacial marriage. And this was like 5 years ago. Stupid arrogant people.
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Yes, they are arrogant. Why can\'t the government just mind there own bussines? They should just stick there brown nose somewhere else. But not in anyones Personal Lovelife for heavensake!
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Whoa... RIOT is really down with the capitalization, when I read his posts I think he\'s shouting...
But anyways... I too ride upon the apathy bandwagon... If two gay guys get married, I really don\'t care. It is their lifestyle, it is their choice. Marriage is about love, and I don\'t think its right to tell two people that love each other that they can\'t get married. "Civil union" sounds like a lame label, and it just reeks of politics.
Like I always say, more pussy for me.
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Originally posted by =RIOT=
Yes, they are arrogant. Why can\'t the government just mind there own bussines? They should just stick there brown nose somewhere else. But not in anyones Personal Lovelife for heavensake!
I think the appropriate word is \'ignorant\', not \'arrogant\'.... Anyways the government\'s purpose is to do exactly that - govern. Governing is meddling.
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Like I always say, more pussy for me.
So you mean like...cats? Are you a cat lover Swif? Do you love the cats?
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Read Gigas post, then read my post again.
If you still don\'t follow, then yeah. I guess I don\'t like inter-racial marriages.
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Government = THE PEOPLE. ie- your elected officials, majority rules etc etc. It seems most of [usa] doesn\'t agree with same sex marriage and it\'s gonig to be that way for a while. You don\'t like the laws then do something other than complaining on a message board to change them.
man + woman for teh win
In any case, I\'m in favor of HUMAN marriage. I couldn\'t care less whether it\'s straight, gay, communal, "open," or swinger-style. The hard core conservative side of this country is made up of a lot of nutters who like to get involved in other people\'s business.
Ok why are you so conservative? Why can\'t I marry my gerbil if I want to?! Mind your own business.
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Gerbils are animals, they cannot communicate with us. They cannot give consent to a relationship.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Gerbils are animals, they cannot communicate with us. They cannot give consent to a relationship.
That\'s not what Richard Gere thinks.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Gerbils are animals, they cannot communicate with us. They cannot give consent to a relationship.
says you. he can let me know when he\'s hungry for food, or d!ck
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Civil unions are fine. I believe that a homosexual couple should have rights like a married couple, such as hospital visits and shared assets, etc. Although I do not believe that they should be able to marry. Marriage is between a man and a women, it\'s tradition, something this country knows little of.
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Square.
It was also tradition that we have slaves.
It was also tradition that blacks could not marry whites.
It was also tradition that Whites were the superior race.
Should we re-instate those to preserve our tradition?
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Those are not traditions. Those were the farthest thing from tradition, that is just silly stuff. Marriage = Man + Woman.
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Yes, and why is it when you type that shit just bleeds from your fingers and on to these message boards???
Marriage is between a man and a woman, I have no problem with them being a legal civil union and being recognized as a couple. But marriage is different, I agree with Giga, Gman and Square you just can\'t go and change something like that.
DH are you gay? I mean everything points to it, you are probably the most opionated out of the bunch on this issue and always gravitate to these threads when we have them, you are not going to change anybody\'s mind here and for your argument you are wasting time.
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So what the fuck are you doing here then? Are you chaning people\'s minds? And yes you CAN go and change something like that.
Am I gay? You don\'t deserve to know.
The main reason I like these threads is becuase it is so easy for me to point out how incredibly WRONG you are.
tra·di·tion n.
1. The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.
2.
1. A mode of thought or behavior followed by a people continuously from generation to generation; a custom or usage.
2. A set of such customs and usages viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present: followed family tradition in dress and manners. See Synonyms at heritage.
3. A body of unwritten religious precepts.
4. A time-honored practice or set of such practices.
A THOUGHT or BEHAVIOR passed down through generations. The thought that the white race was supreme was a part of our culture and tradition. It was based on ideas and customs passed down through generations, since the beginning of western civilization.
If you love our traditions so much, fight for all of them. Or don\'t bring up "tradition" as a reason something should continue to exist.
The KKK awaits you.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
A THOUGHT or BEHAVIOR passed down through generations. The thought that the white race was supreme was a part of our culture and tradition. It was based on ideas and customs passed down through generations, since the beginning of western civilization.
If you love our traditions so much, fight for all of them. Or don\'t bring up "tradition" as a reason something should continue to exist.
The KKK awaits you.
You are wrong on so many levels. Since the beginning of Western Civilization? The Greeks and the Romans didn\'t care what color someone was when they took slaves.
This can also be said of the Dark Ages when those who were not royalty were owned by their lords along with the land they lived on. Race had nothing to do with it.
Since you are fond of bringing up definitions - look up marriage idiot. It is defined as being between a man and a woman. Not "two humans". Have your civil union and be happy.
You are so full of hatred for straight people, white people and people who abide by the law it is sickening. Please don\'t breed.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Square.
It was also tradition that we have slaves.
It was also tradition that blacks could not marry whites.
It was also tradition that Whites were the superior race.
Should we re-instate those to preserve our tradition?
as far as the stuff about the racial traditions....that was just how our racist forefathers were back in the day. it was a s**ty time back then. And racism will be here till the end of time. i see the argument you\'re tryin to make here, and i\'m afri american, but that argument as far as marriages goes doesn\'t hold any weight.
whether you were black white racist etc..marriage has ALWAYS been between a man and a woman. that other stuff about slavery was only a view or a corrupt mindset of how white society saw black people back then and sadly some still see us in that same light. but marriage wasn\'t something that was like some type of emotion or how one person saw another, it\'s always been the union of a man and woman, no matter what culture you\'re from that\'s what marriage is....
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You are so full of hatred for straight people, white people and people who abide by the law it is sickening. Please don\'t breed.
I don\'t hate any of those things. I abide by the law, am white, and am straight. Yes, I dislike people who support CERTAIN laws.
it\'s always been the union of a man and woman, no matter what culture you\'re from that\'s what marriage is....
Okay, point taken. (Although I\'m sure that is debatable.)
But why does America have to have one culture? Socially we are full of diverse people, and culture is always changing. So why can\'t culture change now? Why do we have to be exclusive to any idea of tradition? Why can\'t we start our own traditions? Why can\'t two cultures co-exist? Why must one be more SUPERIOR then the other?
Is the whole marriage-tradition ruined if it is forced to co-exist with new ideas? And if so, why?
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Is the whole marriage-tradition ruined if it is forced to co-exist with new ideas? And if so, why? [/B]
speaking from a parents standpoint, and we\'ve been down this road before...you are taught even as a child that a man is to be with a woman. i mean yea we were taught that, but even if we wasn\'t you can\'t deny that you\'ve always liked that one girl in kidegarden or in first grade. it was a natural emotion..to like the opposite sex. if you go so far as to have children actually see that it\'s ok to see two women kiss or two men kiss, at such a young age, i don\'t think it will benefit them in the least amount..moreso i think it will confuse them...
i know that sounds kinda raw and ignorant and trust i have nothing against gays at all. but at some point you gotta draw the line somewhere. i feel the same way when it comes to legalizing weed :rolleyes:..how you gonna tell your kids it\'s not good to smoke weed then turn around and try to legalize it? s**t makes absolutely no sense at all....
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You have fine points DH but I guess we\'re saying that gay marriage is just not natural.
It\'s not natural for a human to own a slave.
It\'s not natural to disallow blacks from marrying whites.
It\'s not natural to have dick straightening feelings for another man.
The last one can be argued by you outta-the-box thinkers (ahemliberals) but the fact is the majority thinks homosexuality is unnatural. If gays want to participate in a traditional ceremony that involves a man and a woman, one of em has to grow a vagina and/or penis.
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Clips, no. I think that was a fine point.
But Clips, kids are already exposed to so much "negativity" was children. Sex, Violence, Drugs, War, Poverty.... They experiment, they make mistakes, they (hopefully) learn from those mistakes.
It\'s kind of an asburd point to make, but I\'ll make it anyway. Kids are ALREADY confused sexually. Kids see all that bullshit that makes girls become Anorexic, they see all that bullshit that gets kids in high school pregnant without support for a child. So would the ideas that come with gay marriage really be that bad for kids? It is debatable without a doubt.
Pros:
- It demonstrates acceptance and openess
- It will lessen the complete hatred of gays that occours across America. (eventually)
- Gay kids dont have babies.
Cons(sort of a pro?):
- Homosexuality could become more common in teens. But on the other hand, a lot of homosexual experience in Teens seems to stem from the idea of kids promoting "Be your self", this concious recognition of finding ones self is what leads to people who think they are homosexual but then realize they are not. If Homosexuality was not as frowned upon, perhaps kids would not feel the need to figure out wether they are gay or straight, perhaps it would just come naturally.
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i understand your points DH...and tru there are alot of negativity that surround kids on a daily basis. y\'know i just can\'t accept the fact that tho it seems you want to say that it\'s ok to accept this type of relationship...it\'s hard for me to explain without you lookin at this post and sayin "damn clips that\'s some f**ked up s**t you\'re sayin"...so let me try to say this and explain it the best way possible.
what do you say if your son see\'s a man and a women kissin\' on tv? well most likely he\'ll accept that since that what the majority of society feels is normal, if he see\'s two men kissing and say "daddy is it ok for two men to be kissing?" if my son ever asked me that but i\'m sure he\'s aware of it i would tell him that no two men should not be kissing each other, BUT that is what some men or women choose to do...
i know we see men gettin sex changes and women becoming men and such and that\'s their choice to do so,the gov\'t doesn\'t say you can\'t do that,it\'s like when you have a professional job, oh yea you can come to work in jeans and a shirt if you want, but that\'s not professional,imagine giving that presentation in just that type of attire? that\'s probably a weak example but you get the point. there are some things that need some type of moral upholding....marriage is one of \'em
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^^^hmmm looking back at that part about not accepting that type of lifestyle, doesn\'t sound too swift. i can and do accept that people live that way and i have nothing against it at all, i ultimately just feel it should be called civil unions.....
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Now i can see how some gay people remain gay and believe in god and i guess thats a problem because for the most part, there has never been any justified recognition of gay unions/marriages in christianity or almost any other religion etc. (or at least that i know of).
I have had gay friends and i dont hate them at all but you cant expect a tradition as old as marriage to change in some short period of time if at all. Marriage is between a man and a woman and both religiously and biologically, men are supposed to be with women. Thats just how it goes plain and simple. Im no bible thumping person. In fact im not even that religious but its obvious that this is how its been since the beginning of time.
Unions are fine by me and i really dont have too much of a problem with gay marriages either, but to bitch and moan about how you cant go against an old, firm and wide spread tradition is just silly. Be happy being together, since thats what really matters anyway.
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Now i can see how some gay people remain gay and believe in god and i guess thats a problem because for the most part, there has never been any justified recognition of gay unions/marriages in christianity or almost any other religion etc. (or at least that i know of).
"God" looks at "sin" just as any other sin. Outcasting a certain group of people is wrong and is against the teachings in the bible. All these hardcore anti-gay religious groups aren\'t doing what they\'re supposed to be doing. They just don\'t f^ing get it. But you\'re right...there has never been an accepted gay union in Christianity. But again...what a lot of extreme religious groups don\'t understand is it isn\'t any worse in "God\'s eyes" than what the people themselves, who have no right to judge anyway, are doing every single day.
Outcasting a group of people is freaking stupid...
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agree 100% evx
of course it\'s only the zealots you see yelling into a camera on the news. hey it makes good tv :)
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
Outcasting a group of people is freaking stupid...
agreed
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of course it\'s only the zealots you see yelling into a camera on the news. hey it makes good tv
That\'s the sad truth...(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finstagiber.net%2Fsmiliesdotcom%2Fcontrib%2Ftweetz%2Fheadshake.gif&hash=46b0f18af60b7187a594b3b23a215033565a7187)
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What ever happen to "oh we\'re all different and unique in our own way" when attemting to explain their hard-ons for Richard Simmons? My personal belief is gay people are huge hypocrites in that sense from wanting to marry under that name. Why even stop at gay marriage. How about polygamy next?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
How about polygamy next?
That\'s why God invented Utah.
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sorry sammy, we can\'t get married. :(
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Note: There are more than 10 amendments to the US Constitution... unless you\'re thinking of "Commandments..." but no one really pays attention to those either. :)
BTW, where did you come from? Decided to register just to post up for the gays? You should be right at home; I\'ll introduce you to Samwise. :laughing:
In any case, I\'m in favor of HUMAN marriage. I couldn\'t care less whether it\'s straight, gay, communal, "open," or swinger-style. The hard core conservative side of this country is made up of a lot of nutters who like to get involved in other people\'s business. They see someone doing something across the street that doesn\'t affect them at all, and they don\'t like it. Not only do they not like it, they want to pass a law to make it illegal. They are a bunch of nosey busy bodies. Fortunately, you know what happens to nosey noses? They lose their noses.
Forget it Jake, it\'s Chinatown.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You are so full of hatred for straight people, white people and people who abide by the law it is sickening. Please don\'t breed.
Lol.
Damn, why does everybody that doesn\'t agree with you all of a sudden become "haters" of the people they disagree with. It\'s almost as if you can read everybody\'s minds in these forums and magically come to your conclusions.
You are so full of it the gas station\'s toilet is jealous.
I wouldn\'t be surprised if you also wanted to outlaw marriage between different races.
I know, aside from homosexuals marrying, that when I get married, I won\'t divorce after three days. Like most of the couples do.
HAHAHA
You\'re so full of hatred everybody! I can see it!
HAHAHAHA
Jeez...
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Originally posted by THX
You have fine points DH but I guess we\'re saying that gay marriage is just not natural.
It\'s not natural for a human to own a slave.
It\'s not natural to disallow blacks from marrying whites.
It\'s not natural to have dick straightening feelings for another man.
The last one can be argued by you outta-the-box thinkers (ahemliberals) but the fact is the majority thinks homosexuality is unnatural. If gays want to participate in a traditional ceremony that involves a man and a woman, one of em has to grow a vagina and/or penis.
What laws in nature say it isn\'t "natural"?
I have seen plenty of male dogs hump another male dog.
This isn\'t about what is "natural" and what isn\'t. This is about people like Giga who decide that because they live in some farm in Alabama and support Bush they are automatically right and therefore it should be enforced on everybody else.
Shit, I HATE to see when a good looking hispanic babe decided to go for a black guy instead of me! GRRRR...lol, J/K
The point is, nothing is "natural" That is up to nature to decide. We can\'t define natural simply because we each have our own mind and think differently. We are aware of what goes on around us and are able to think for ourselves. Unlike animals and Giga...
Anyways, as long as LOVE is the primary factor of a marriage, who the hell are we to tell others who to love? And how the hell does it affect us when two guys decide to marry each other?
Please tell me how Giga and whomever else agrees with him:
HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOU?
and just for kicks,
What would you do if your kid turned out to be a homosexual?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
What laws in nature say it isn\'t "natural"?
Breeding?
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How about polygamy next?
Damn right.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
and just for kicks,
What would you do if your kid turned out to be a homosexual?
Make him date you.
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Breeding?
This doesn\'t mean it doesn\'t happen in nature. Even evolutionists accept homosexuality now to some degree. There are many homosexual animals throughout the animal kingdom, but since we\'re supposed to be an "advanced" species, it\'s supposed to be "wrong". Guess what? Nature isn\'t always the way you want it to be. Unexplainable phenomena happen all the time, and that\'s what makes life on earth so diverse and amazing.
There\'s this one type of fish. The entire school is comprised of one male and the rest females, and it\'s up to the male to help maintain the species. If the male dies...the largest female turns into a male and the process continues. It can change genders at will. Hmmm...that seems a little strange. That can\'t be natural, but it is, and it happens...just like homosexuality in both animals and humans.
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I think he meant Breeding in a more natural since, its obvious that a male and female homo sapien have to pork in order for a baby to conceive naturally. Lets stick to humans on this matter my dog starts to hump my arm doesn\'t mean he\'s ghey just means my arms just that damn sexay.
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Whats natural for one animal doesn\'t mean its natural for all. Don\'t kid yourself in saying homosexuality is part of our evolution. Nor is it equally natural to heterosexual life.
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ummm....just a quick question, why does it have to be natural. Humans create un-natural things all the time. You don\'t go through a single day with out doing at least 20 things that are unnatural. Also, why do you care if one due maries another dude? Doesn\'t affect you the slightest way. You shoulds be happy, its just one less guy you have to compete with to get the women.
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because it is unnatural for a man to be with a man...and the same goes for the women...tho alot of men prefer to see that ;)...again i\'m not against gays and no it doesn\'t bother me what they do, but ultimately a man was made to be with a women and vice versa,....that is what is natural...now will i go out and campaign and protest against gays gettin married?....nope i have more important issues to worry about...
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You can argue this crap into the ground, but it\'s not going to help anything. It hasn\'t been proven one way or the other if homosexuality is genetic. People can be whatever the hell they want to be and it\'s none of our damn businesses how they live their life. It\'s not affecting us at all, so who gives a f^ck?
now will i go out and campaign and protest against gays gettin married?....nope i have more important issues to worry about...
Exactly...
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Make him date you.
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:gman:
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
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I keep forgetting you and EviscerationX are suck dates.
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It\'s not natural for a man to be having sex with a man?
Pfft.. give me a break.
Perhaps if they\'re confused and they\'re trying to have a baby.
But you know the strange thing about humans is? They have sex for pleasure.
You can\'t reproduce by having sex with your hand, but I bet you all have no qualms about masturbating on a regular basis. Saying it\'s unnatural is nothing more than a matter of perspective.
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That\'s what Bob keeps whispering in my ear as he tries to unbuckle my trousers "It\'s natural, mate!". LIttle does he know, my pants were already dropped and he was just grabbing wood and tying it in weird knots.
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I\'m not even against gay marriage, I just don\'t want to see someone put homosexuality on an equal plain to heterosexuality.
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I agree it is not natrual, because the natrual form of sex is to reproduce. You can\'t reproduce with a member of the same sex. Just like anal sex and oral sex are not really natrual.
Still, sciene has proven some animals are homosexual. So why can\'t we accept that it may be a genetic problem? If that is the case, why hold it against them?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
That\'s what Bob keeps whispering in my ear as he tries to unbuckle my trousers "It\'s natural, mate!". LIttle does he know, my pants were already dropped and he was just grabbing wood and tying it in weird knots.
I think you\'re the gayest gay that ever gayed.
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Still, sciene has proven some animals are homosexual. So why can\'t we accept that it may be a genetic problem? If that is the case, why hold it against them?
I don\'t think it\'s a problem, nor is it genetic. I think it (like everything else) is made possible by genetics, but I doubt their is any gene that dictates sexuality. It is more so a product of enviroment and development then anything. (once again, IMO). And even then so, if it was purley a choice, I don\'t care. I don\'t judge people by choices about sex.
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So what happens when 2 she-males wanna get married?
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Like...transgender people or people who are born lacking a chromosome?
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as in maphrodites.
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I don\'t think it\'s a problem, nor is it genetic. I think it (like everything else) is made possible by genetics, but I doubt their is any gene that dictates sexuality. It is more so a product of enviroment and development then anything. (once again, IMO).
There was a guy that was born with such a small member that they just cut it off and told the parents to raise the boy as a girl. He grew up and by the time he hit puberty, he started getting quite confused for all the feelings he had for girls. He was a big scientific case study because he grew up in an environment where he was raised as a girl, but still wasn\'t a girl at all, and exhibited the same behaviors as a male. He eventually committed suicide because scientists were constantly following him around and what have you.
Nothing has been proven by genetic means, so that can\'t be used as an arguement. Not yet, at least.
And I don\'t understand this whole environment crap talk. People are raised up in perfectly normal families, or even religious environments, and they still end up being homosexual. How did the normal environment make them homosexual? That doesn\'t make a sound arguement.
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Well all signs point towards it being a combination of genes and environment. Evi, you\'re being extremely naive and ignorant if you think you understand the conditions necessary to \'create\' someone with feelings for another gender.
Who knows, Evi.. 3000 years ago, you too might have taken an 8 year old boy as your lover. Certain societies once deemed that \'natural\'.
I agree it is not natrual, because the natrual form of sex is to reproduce. You can\'t reproduce with a member of the same sex. Just like anal sex and oral sex are not really natrual.
Well, if that\'s your arguement, I can see the logic. But the majority of sex that humans have takes place for pleasure. They have moved far beyond having sex for reproduction. Hell, the whole idea of contraception is to have sex without the pesky side-effects. ;)
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I\'m not ignorant, and coming from you that doesn\'t mean much. I don\'t really take a stand on anything one way or the other, I\'m just trying to create conversation. I\'d rather remain neutral on this topic because it is quite controversial. Anyway, I was just giving an example, but I too feel it\'s a combination of both, which is a mix of evolutionary and cognitive psychology.
Who knows, Evi.. 3000 years ago, you too might have taken an 8 year old boy as your lover. Certain societies once deemed that \'natural\'.
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Well, if that\'s your arguement, I can see the logic. But the majority of sex that humans have takes place for pleasure
People, especially evolutionists, tend to avoid that point for some stupid reason. They think reproduction is the only reason for sex. Why else would there be ten buh-jillion nerve endings in that one part of the body?
They have moved far beyond having sex for reproduction.
Sex for pleasure has been happening since all of recorded history. Even monkeys have sex for pleasure. They have sex to relieve stress, so I\'ve read.
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... the only other animals on earth that have sex for pleasure are dolphins...
And I don\'t understand this whole environment crap talk.
You just admitted your ignorance. So stfu. And don\'t insult someone you know nothing about. I said you were being naive and ignorant because you basically admitted it yourself, and then you made a sweeping comment dismissing the whole notion of environment effecting sexuality.
And I don\'t understand this whole environment crap talk. People are raised up in perfectly normal families, or even religious environments, and they still end up being homosexual. How did the normal environment make them homosexual? That doesn\'t make a sound arguement.
So stfu. And read what I said again.
Evi, you\'re being extremely naive and ignorant if you think you understand the conditions necessary to \'create\' someone with feelings for another gender.
You were ignorant of the so called \'normal\' conditions that this person grew up in. You do not know every single possible variable (which for all intents and purposes are infinite) that would determine this persons personality.
Don\'t take it as an insult, fucktard.
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no u
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:eek:
u stay out of this man ok just dont go there
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Bob, i respect you bro, alot... trust, but two men havin sex is natural? :rolleyes: c\'mon man who cares what animals do? are we not above the animals? some animals just do s**t off of instinct...
y\'know some people like my late grandfather would say something like "you goit a bad cold? here take a shot of whiskey to break that cold up" now is that natural to take alcohol to break up a cold? and give it to a seven year old nontheless?..no that\'s not what you would normally do, what you would do is take the appropriate medicine for your cold...
people are using too many theories to try and figure out homosexuality, and you know what? if two men or women havin sex was normal you wouldn\'t have these scientists or professors tryin to figure out what causes it...i\'m not against gays,but what we\'re tryin to determine now is if it\'s normal behavior,..clearly it\'s not....
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he\'s from australie live the poor guy alone(and no that country doesn\'t deserve proper spelling)
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So you\'d prefer to look like a retard then simply spell correctly?
wait, you\'re american right...
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my guess would be...
american pretend to be canadian?
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FMOTMOMTO I\'d just like to clarify one thing. Evolutionists don\'t think of sex only as a mechanical reproductive mechanism. It certainly makes babies but they know it\'s been done because it feels good. In fact, they think that the amount of pleasure that we get from sex today is a result of evolution - because animals that had a tendency to like sex had sex more and therefore had more decendants and those decendants liked sex too ... etc. So in conclusion, you\'re all gay.
Especially Soulgrind.
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So in conclusion, you\'re all gay.
That\'s not breaking news or anything.
Don\'t take it as an insult, fucktard.
I won\'t. You\'re the only one getting angry. You\'re just naturally an unlikeable douche.
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OMG!!!! Don\'t say that to Bobo. :(
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Especially Soulgrind.
You still hoping i\'m gay, thats ok. I can understand i\'ve got a great ass!
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Originally posted by clips
Bob, i respect you bro, alot... trust, but two men havin sex is natural? :rolleyes: c\'mon man who cares what animals do? are we not above the animals? some animals just do s**t off of instinct...
y\'know some people like my late grandfather would say something like "you goit a bad cold? here take a shot of whiskey to break that cold up" now is that natural to take alcohol to break up a cold? and give it to a seven year old nontheless?..no that\'s not what you would normally do, what you would do is take the appropriate medicine for your cold...
people are using too many theories to try and figure out homosexuality, and you know what? if two men or women havin sex was normal you wouldn\'t have these scientists or professors tryin to figure out what causes it...i\'m not against gays,but what we\'re tryin to determine now is if it\'s normal behavior,..clearly it\'s not....
I think you missed my point. But that\'s ok. Feel free to disagree.
btw, your examples didn\'t really make much sense. :D
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
So you\'d prefer to look like a retard then simply spell correctly?
wait, you\'re american right...
right, except no wait I\'m not LOL
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Originally posted by Jumpman
right, except no wait I\'m not LOL
so u have no excuse for being retarded then. ;)
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c\'mon man who cares what animals do? are we not above the animals?
By what means? In some ways we are, in some ways we arn\'t.
And clips, as someone who claims homosexuality to be "unnatural" you sure hate when we use the natural world as an example.
Do you know of some alternate nature that we are ignorant of?
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I think we\'re getting off the subject here. Most people here could care less about the civil union.
It\'s just a piece of paper. It\'s not anything valid like church weddings (this is gonna piss off some of you but I dun care :p ). Let the gays marry gays. As long as the lesbians allow at least one heterosexual into their bedrooms, it\'s alright by me.
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gman have u seen any real lesbos? They are ugly as sin.
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I\'ve seen some good looking ones.
But the best looking ones seem to be bi-sexual.... do they still count?
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Originally posted by THX
gman have u seen any real lesbos? They are ugly as sin.
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=portia+de+rossi/v=2/SID=e/TID=I040_85/l=IVS/SIG=133q9t4nh/EXP=1115331100/*-http%3A//www.ferristech.net/users/mcever/journal/archives/Portia%20De%20Rossi.bmp
^not ugly as sin.
Anyway, I never get it when people fall back on "but it\'s not natural." If anything nature is ripe with proof that "unnatural" behaviour is quite common if not "natural" itself.
As far as comparing us to animals, we\'re just as into instant gratification as animals are. Infact humans are the poster child of excessive gratification behaviours, in spite of our knowing better.
Capacity plays into it.
We have the unique ability for the most part of being able to take a stand offish approach and be selective about our behaviour unlike, for example, a dog.
That doesn\'t change the fact that the drive is still there.
And the degree in which we can deal with those compulsions is a luxury not everyone has either. There are a slew of mental conditions that people are aware they have, but lack the ability to do anything about it.
One\'s objection to homosexuality is based on nothing more than their own moral perspective. I suppose it\'s comforting to know that some people out there have it all figured out so they can point the rest of us the right direction.:p
EDIT: As for the topic, I say let them have their civil unions. Love is not exclusive between a man and a woman, and the benefits of marriage shouldn\'t be either.
EDIT2: Before any of you reply with "then what keeps us from letting a person marry a goat or a man marry a nine year old girl" then I say, because the idea of a civil union is between two consenting adults. <-- Read that carefully, those last two words are important.
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Originally posted by THX
gman have u seen any real lesbos? They are ugly as sin.
I\'ve seen some really cute ones. There are bis who are sometimes labeled as lipstick lesbians.
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You know what\'s gay? Discussion about gays.
The kicker is when its a black guy discriminating against gays.
Ahh well. I say let em hump their brains out and get married and have their own churches only for gays where gays go to be gay and listen to rap music and the village people and go on cruises with karaoke dinners and alcohol so they can rejuvenate their humping desires and get back at it.
then let them cup each other on the plane ride home. naked.
Whatever.
-Dan
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Eik you just described France. What do you think the new Airbus is for?
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All lesbians are dykes/ugly as sin....hmmm. Either you\'re stuck up in a really stupid ass stereotype, or you don\'t get out much.
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eiksirf so you\'re sayin me discriminating against gays(which i\'m not) is symbolic to racism against blacks and the civil rights movement? :rolleyes: yea you didn\'t say that but indirectly that is what you\'re sayin....nice try but no..
and do me a favor read my posts, just don\'t come in on the last page of a thread and assume s**t.. this thread went from your opinion on gay marriages to is it natural? my opinion is no it\'s not natural,but that doesn\'t mean i\'m against in any way, i\'m not gonna repeat anything i said already,... go back and you\'ll see where i stand...
d.h. like i stated earlier too many people are trying to find that grey area in homosexulality...i know plenty of gays that i\'m cool with...but the question is is it natural? nope cause ultimately man was made to be with a woman etc, but that doesn\'t mean i\'m against them, hell they can bang whoever they want to it doesn\'t matter to me...a question was asked and i answered it...
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Like I said earlier, man was \'made\' to stick his penis in a vagina to procreate.
Yet everyone hear sticks their penis in their hands to whack off every day (or near enough. ;)) yet we\'re taught from an early age that it\'s natural too. Once upon a time it was thought of as taboo, and anyone who did it was a sinner and nobody would ever admit to it... now look at it. Masturbation is a dinner table conversation!
Like I said, natural/unnatural is nothing more than a matter of perspective. There\'s nothing wrong with your views, I just think they are ilconceived and incorrect. Just as you obviously think the same of mine. No biggie.
I think Eikserf was getting the point across that someone who knows the plight of discrimation directly (or through ancestry) should not discriminate against someone or something they don\'t understand. It\'s hypocritical. He also was not making any direct reference to you.
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as i just stated to one of the members here.
I personally couldn\'t care less if fags get married, its their business and marriage is just a religion thing anyway.
"take fucking before marriage... 50 years ago it would be "wrong" to do that, you\'d be going straight to hell etc.. now you\'re considered weird if you don\'t. "bangs gf"" 2 years after being with a chick could u imagine the looks you\'d get if you told your mates that you haven\'t banged your gf 100x over.
its in the eyes of the beholder.
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I personally couldn\'t care less if fags get married, its their business and marriage is just a religion thing anyway.
Marriage isnt a religous thing because the thing that is keeping gays from being married are state laws. Not religous laws.
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And maybe your forget that Bush is our President, and he uses his religious views to make decisions.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
The kicker is when its a black guy discriminating against gays.
-Dan
that was directed at me. let\'s be very clear here, gays have not gone through nearly the same amount of abuse and torture that afri americans have endured...it\'s on a totally different level. blacks were looked down upon and wasn\'t equal to their white counter parts no matter what level of prestige or education that afri american held. we were hated for the color of our skin no questions asked...trying to compare the two is extremely ignorant...
sheeit gays have more rights than any afri amer ever had back in the day. they are not nearly looked down upon as afri americans are even today in this day and age, we are still on the bottom of the food chain, and it\'s no secret that people of color have to work twice as hard to get that job or house..(please don\'t come back with all that crap free scolarships and such) those of us who lived it know better...
so yea i share the gays plight in a sense that they should be looked at as a human being and not looked down on them because of their behavior, they are an equal just as everyone else sholud be. should they get married or called civil unions? i say civil unions, but if a law is passe that they are granted marriage licenses, then i\'m cool with that as well, trust i\'m not losin\' any sleep over this...
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Like I said earlier, man was \'made\' to stick his penis in a vagina to procreate.
Yet everyone hear sticks their penis in their hands to whack off every day (or near enough. ;)) yet we\'re taught from an early age that it\'s natural too. Once upon a time it was thought of as taboo, and anyone who did it was a sinner and nobody would ever admit to it... now look at it. Masturbation is a dinner table conversation!
Mastubation isn\'t natural, however its irrelevant because nobody is making a stand to marry their right or left hands.
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Originally posted by clips
that was directed at me. let\'s be very clear here, gays have not gone through nearly the same amount of abuse and torture that afri americans have endured...it\'s on a totally different level. blacks were looked down upon and wasn\'t equal to their white counter parts no matter what level of prestige or education that afri american held. we were hated for the color of our skin no questions asked...trying to compare the two is extremely ignorant...
sheeit gays have more rights than any afri amer ever had back in the day. they are not nearly looked down upon as afri americans are even today in this day and age, we are still on the bottom of the food chain, and it\'s no secret that people of color have to work twice as hard to get that job or house..(please don\'t come back with all that crap free scolarships and such) those of us who lived it know better...
so yea i share the gays plight in a sense that they should be looked at as a human being and not looked down on them because of their behavior, they are an equal just as everyone else sholud be. should they get married or called civil unions? i say civil unions, but if a law is passe that they are granted marriage licenses, then i\'m cool with that as well, trust i\'m not losin\' any sleep over this...
Racist people suck! :mad:
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And maybe your forget that Bush is our President, and he uses his religious views to make decisions.
But then again, they are STATE laws, created by the state. The state can change them anytime they want, thats why it is legal in some states.
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I know the states can have their own laws. I\'m just saying there is some religious influence running our country while Bush is in office.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I know the states can have their own laws. I\'m just saying there is some religious influence running our country while Bush is in office.
? Can be said about any president. An overwhelming majority of America believes in a higher power. Majority rules like it or not.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Mastubation isn\'t natural, however its irrelevant because nobody is making a stand to marry their right or left hands.
Your mum isn\'t natural.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Mastubation isn\'t natural, however its irrelevant because nobody is making a stand to marry their right or left hands.
The mayor married his right hand on Family Guy...
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Your mum isn\'t natural.
she conceived you didn\'t she. ;)
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I know, and she says you\'re my father!
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I am, cause i did it to your momma.
"now GO TO YOUR ROOM, AND GET NAKED!! I\'ll be there in a minute"
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