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Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 12, 2005, 12:11:41 PM
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NEWS SOURCE: IGN
May 12, 2005 - In a surprising twist on the next generation hardware race, a Sony representative has stated that a year 2005 release for the next generation PlayStation is a possibility. Responding to questions from Jiji news service, Sony Chief Financial Officer Takao Yuhara states, "For the year end sales season, simultaneously building up both the PlayStation Portable system in America and Europe as well as the next generation PlayStation is one option that we have."

Most industry speculation calls for a next generation PlayStation release in 2006. Sony\'s third party developers have backed this assumption up with a strong list of PlayStation 2 titles planned for the rest of the year and early next.

The state of the next generation PlayStation software shown at next week\'s E3 show should reveal if a 2005 release is a possibility for the new system, or if Yuhara\'s comments were designed to take some steam out of Microsoft\'s Xbox 360 unveiling later today.


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/612/612985p1.html

If Sony is so far along in PS3 development that this year is a possibility, then I\'d be really surprised if it launches any later than March 2006 in Japan.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: QuDDus on May 12, 2005, 12:35:49 PM
We haven\'t heard much about the ps3. We won\'t even get to  see it until E3. I think they are trying to counter all the attention Xbox360.

I call BS
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 12, 2005, 12:43:13 PM
This is from IGN. I dub this article bullshit.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 12, 2005, 12:47:13 PM
I didn\'t know IGN was making up quotes these days.:rolleyes:
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 12, 2005, 12:51:01 PM
No...but their interpretations usually suck ass. If this news is indeed true, I\'ll be as giddy as a school girl.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 13, 2005, 10:24:44 AM
Sony would do wise to NOT push the PS3 to market too soon !

We still see weekly reports of contradicting news about PS3\'s digital format and there\'s like zero news about Nvidia\'s GPU which I hope will be G80 instead of early bird G70.

Really, I hope Sony\'ll finetune their console and get it to live up to the specs
they really have in mind, not forced by any MS Xbox360 momentum or whatever bullshit.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 10:54:52 AM
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Sony would do wise to NOT push the PS3 to market too soon !

We still see weekly reports of contradicting news about PS3\'s digital format and there\'s like zero news about Nvidia\'s GPU which I hope will be G80 instead of early bird G70.

Really, I hope Sony\'ll finetune their console and get it to live up to the specs
they really have in mind, not forced by any MS Xbox360 momentum or whatever bullshit.


First of all, who said the possibility of it coming out this year was due to Microsoft?  If the machine is ready by then with their original specs (which nobody knows of), why not?

Second, once a media format is figured out it will be a very short amount of time to move into production.  People are making far too big a deal about this.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: clips on May 13, 2005, 12:10:05 PM
sony\'s just tryin to steal some thunder from microsoft....just take your time, do your homework on the box, and come out with a better system...
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 13, 2005, 12:24:31 PM
I am expecting a lot from Sony.And when I say I am expecting a lot I mean real time high ress graphics that are indistinguishable from high quality CGI cut scenes!
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: clips on May 13, 2005, 12:42:34 PM
i agree....i want sony to come out with an extremely impressive console as well...but i gotta admit, this new xbox has peaked my curiousity quite a bit...
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 12:53:05 PM
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sony\'s just tryin to steal some thunder from microsoft....just take your time, do your homework on the box, and come out with a better system...


Is it an ego thing?  Is there going to be a mass suicide of Sony sheep if it\'s not a bazillion times more powerful?

Serious question; If the Playstation 3 turns out only to be as powerful as the Xbox 360 and Revolution will you be disappointed?  If yes, why?
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 13, 2005, 01:04:21 PM
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Serious question; If the Playstation 3 turns out only to be as powerful as the Xbox 360 and Revolution will you be disappointed? If yes, why?
Yes...because you touch yourself at nite.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Lord Nicon on May 13, 2005, 01:07:00 PM
Because so far im not too thrilled with XB360. Good enough for you?
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 13, 2005, 01:10:16 PM
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Sony sheep he sais :laughing:

anyways to answer the question.Since XBOX360 is going to be released earlier and already has hige support then a PS3 that is released later but is as powerful will extimguish any reason to be excited about it.

Sony wont be offering anything worth competing the next XBOX if thast teh case.XBOX360 will be the first to present that certain quality of graphics will be the first to develop support and there wont be anything new left to be excited about PS3.

But a more powerful PS3 balances things.
Now about revolution I dont care.If the revolution is released later  then people should be expecting more just like people expectimg more from PS3 now.

(oh and I am expecting more from next gen as well)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Lord Nicon on May 13, 2005, 01:22:32 PM
I dont really care right now, which is better for the sake of saying so, it is just the fact that if ALL next gen games are going to look like pc games today (condemed) then im just going to be dissapointed. Since we have already seen what the 360 is cooking up, Im hoping that the ps3 will one up it a tad.

Trying not to get my hopes up seems a little difficult at this point. When ps2 and xbox came out, we werent really seeing project gothams and MGS2\'s on pc. Perhaps in a batch of those upper echelon games but if the next gen comes out looking like a decent handfull of pc games today then its barely worth it.

Does that make any sense?
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: QuDDus on May 13, 2005, 01:26:24 PM
Ps3 is launching 6months after xbox360 if people expect the ps3 to be X more power than xbox360 they are sadly mistaken.

The xbox360 specs alone will cost MS a hefty chunk of cash on each system. I do not expect sony to exceed the specs of the xbox 360.

The expensive memory, storage medium and processor.
Yeah right there is noway they are going to create some monster of a console and still retail it to customers @300.


And I don\'t see sony taking an even more hit on their console just too one up Microsoft. It makes no sense. They did not do with the ps2 and I don\'t expect them to do it with the ps3.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 01:35:36 PM
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Sony sheep he sais

anyways to answer the question.Since XBOX360 is going to be released earlier and already has hige support then a PS3 that is released later but is as powerful will extimguish any reason to be excited about it.

Sony wont be offering anything worth competing the next XBOX if thast teh case.XBOX360 will be the first to present that certain quality of graphics will be the first to develop support and there wont be anything new left to be excited about PS3.

But a more powerful PS3 balances things.
Now about revolution I dont care.If the revolution is released later then people should be expecting more just like people expectimg more from PS3 now.

(oh and I am expecting more from next gen as well)


I have you on my ignore list but I thought I\'d see what you said about this.  As for the sheep comment, it was meant to hit a certain frame of mind.  I say the same thing to Xbots.

I just don\'t understand why it\'s not enough to have a powerful next-gen system, but instead you have to have the most powerful? *shrugs

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already has hige support then a PS3 that is released later but is as powerful will extimguish any reason to be excited about it.


I don\'t understand that, you\'ll still get a next-gen PS3 and updates on all their IP\'s.  That of itself is exciting to me, and the idea of a next-gen Jak & Daxter...that makes me touch myself, Evi.;)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 01:44:33 PM
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I dont really care right now, which is better for the sake of saying so, it is just the fact that if ALL next gen games are going to look like pc games today (condemed) then im just going to be dissapointed. Since we have already seen what the 360 is cooking up, Im hoping that the ps3 will one up it a tad.

Trying not to get my hopes up seems a little difficult at this point. When ps2 and xbox came out, we werent really seeing project gothams and MGS2\'s on pc. Perhaps in a batch of those upper echelon games but if the next gen comes out looking like a decent handfull of pc games today then its barely worth it.

Does that make any sense?


That makes sense, but I\'m not sure how valid your concerns are.  You need to watch Gears of War, Ghost Recon 3, and Project Gotham 3.  If you have already watched those and still have concerns then you need to have your vision checked.  They are far beyond this generation of consoles and are well enough ahead of anything I\'ve seen on a PC.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Living-In-Clip on May 13, 2005, 03:55:31 PM
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I am expecting a lot from Sony.And when I say I am expecting a lot I mean real time high ress graphics that are indistinguishable from high quality CGI cut scenes!


Don\'t be idiotic. You won\'t get that. Be realistic.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 13, 2005, 04:02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Rikku
I have you on my ignore list but I thought I\'d see what you said about this.  As for the sheep comment, it was meant to hit a certain frame of mind.  I say the same thing to Xbots.

I just don\'t understand why it\'s not enough to have a powerful next-gen system, but instead you have to have the most powerful? *shrugs


Did I say most?I didnt even mention Revolution

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I don\'t understand that, you\'ll still get a next-gen PS3 and updates on all their IP\'s.  That of itself is exciting to me, and the idea of a next-gen Jak & Daxter...that makes me touch myself, Evi.;) [/B]


Bah.Thats not the point.
When XBOX360 is released before PS3 developers will start supporting XBOX360.It will gain consumers, support.A good thing.

The bad thing about PS3:
If when PS3 is launched later is nothing but an XBOX360 with its name changed when it comes to power and with less games since XBOX360 has been around earlier(which means more consumers=developers motivated to develop for the console with the most consumers) the consumer wont expect that he can get as much as what XBOX360 will be offering by then.

1st party sequels alone cant make the difference.We want brand new titles.Which XBOX360 will be having more when the "as powerful PS3" is released.

I am expecting Sony\'s PS3 to be more powerful since it will be released earlier.Unless its released in the same time frame as XBOX360.Only then I wouldnt mind as much.

But then again even then I might mind.Because so far I havent been impressed as much as I ve been expecting and I want my expectations to be satisfied
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 04:14:13 PM
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Bah.Thats not the point.
When XBOX360 is released before PS3 developers will start supporting XBOX360.It will gain consumers, support.A good thing.

The bad thing about PS3:
If when PS3 is launched later is nothing but an XBOX360 with its name changed when it comes to power and with less games since XBOX360 has been around earlier(which means more consumers=developers motivated to develop for the console with the most consumers) the consumer wont expect that he can get as much as what XBOX360 will be offering by then.

1st party sequels alone cant make the difference.We want brand new titles.Which XBOX360 will be having more when the "as powerful PS3" is released.

I am expecting Sony\'s PS3 to be more powerful since it will be released earlier.Unless its released in the same time frame as XBOX360.Only then I wouldnt mind as much.

But then again even then I might mind.Because so far I havent been impressed much from what I ve seen and I ve had expectations about next gen that I want to be satisfied


Lol, I can\'t help but pick up on an underlying concern of yours that Sony isn\'t going to be king of the hill anymore.  Get over it, Sony is not going anywhere.  If anything the playing field has been leveled, and believe it or not that is a good thing.

goes back to ignoring you
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 13, 2005, 04:15:28 PM
Ahm ok whatever :rolleyes:
*wonders why Rikku is so concerned with the possibility that PS3 could be the most powerful"
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 04:33:53 PM
Out of curiousity, and this is to anyone expecting PS3>Xbox360, where have you drawn the line between being satisfied with a big grin and devastated, sobbing in the corner?

Is there some kind of equation for it?  Is it based on the amount of time it\'s released after Xbox 360?  Does it have anything to do with the 360?  Is it based on the info you\'ve gathered about cell?  Is it based on nothing more than blind faith?

help me understand you:p
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 13, 2005, 04:35:43 PM
Help us understand YOU
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 13, 2005, 05:50:32 PM
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Help us understand YOU
Agreed.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 13, 2005, 05:58:50 PM
Lol, I\'m just poking fun at you guys.  I find it funny how anxious some people are to see Sony one up Microsoft.  Funny in a sad way though...like a dying clown or something.

Oh, and this is my way of spamming the forum to get my avatar.  Four more posts and I\'ll go back to my regular lurking with a post every once in a while.

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*wonders why Rikku is so concerned with the possibility that PS3 could be the most powerful"


:rolleyes:

I\'m not at all concerned about it, why would I be?  Unfortunately I enjoy IP\'s from all three console makers so naturally I\'ll be getting all three consoles.  I expect Rare, Bungie, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Square, and Nintendo to do their best with what they have to work with, and I\'ll kick back and enjoy.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Lord Nicon on May 13, 2005, 10:08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Rikku
That makes sense, but I\'m not sure how valid your concerns are.  You need to watch Gears of War, Ghost Recon 3, and Project Gotham 3.  If you have already watched those and still have concerns then you need to have your vision checked.  They are far beyond this generation of consoles and are well enough ahead of anything I\'ve seen on a PC.

I cant find the other videos my friend.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 13, 2005, 11:24:42 PM
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Originally posted by Rikku
Lol, I\'m just poking fun at you guys.  I find it funny how anxious some people are to see Sony one up Microsoft.  Funny in a sad way though...like a dying clown or something.

Oh, and this is my way of spamming the forum to get my avatar.  Four more posts and I\'ll go back to my regular lurking with a post every once in a while.



:rolleyes:

I\'m not at all concerned about it, why would I be?  Unfortunately I enjoy IP\'s from all three console makers so naturally I\'ll be getting all three consoles.  I expect Rare, Bungie, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Square, and Nintendo to do their best with what they have to work with, and I\'ll kick back and enjoy.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I am still trying to find out whats your problem with people wanting PS3 to be more powerful
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 13, 2005, 11:31:37 PM
I don\'t know what the issue is either. Apparently people can\'t hope for something greater in Rikku\'s world.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 14, 2005, 01:45:59 AM
Ok, now for some reason in this thread :

during timespan DC to PS2 - alotta hype for PS2 in USA & Japan (Sony didn\'t do much in Europe to create PS2 hype) although DC had quite some momentum indeed.

Anyway, after ppl got their feet to the ground with PS2\'s launch line up it did deliver afterall.

during timespan Xbox360 to PS3 - alotta ppl subconsciously prepare for PS3 to not live up to their own hype like the case with PS2 was.

A little bit naive, but understandable. Rational thinking will conclude that Sony will like PS3 to not have the difficult start up stadium PS2 had. It would make sense they\'ve learned a lesson or two from the past 5 years.

Also, from the Anandtech & Beyond3D articles on supposedly PS3 Cell and Nvidia GPU tech I think PS3 is going to be a have hardware which is more custom designed with a large role for Nvidia as graphics software engineer tool writer.

Xbox360\'s specs look like more off the shelf with the added part of XNA software to get alot of performance out of it.

So, I think PS3 might be quite surprise when it comes to power, but Xbox360 won\'t die like DC did.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Lord Nicon on May 14, 2005, 05:07:07 AM
The more i think about what i want to see, and these trailers and doubts that PS3 can match or up the 360, the more i try to stop thinking about the next gen. There was a point where almost anything would impress me but now im kinda stuck. I believe ive already said what I mean. Why come out with somthing that can already be done on another system?

I dont know why rikku has a problem understanding some of this but let him/her/it get their avatar and book it.

I always thought rikku was a girl anyway :p


jk

Anyway, to get off this depressed tone, The people working on the 360 are gamers basically and have this very attractive sales pitch in a sense. They are really trying to sell you on the whole idea behind the 360 which is a good strategy. The thing for me is that they seem a tad too excited, though I know thats their job (or perhaps its because they built the thing).

When is E3 again? And how do you even get in? I have always wondered that.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 14, 2005, 06:11:11 AM
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I cant find the other videos my friend.


http://xbox360.ign.com

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alotta ppl subconsciously prepare for PS3 to not live up to their own hype like the case with PS2 was.


^^^That\'s what I\'m referring to.

It\'s not so much of your hopes that it\'s better, but that it seems you\'re ready with some kind of measuring stick to stack against the competition.  Playstation 3 is coming, and from all indications it\'s going to kick some serious behind.  Excited?  Seems like some people are more anxious than anything, and I can\'t help but be amused by your state of anticipation.  These are video game consoles afterall.  

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Xbox360\'s specs look like more off the shelf with the added part of XNA software to get alot of performance out of it.


Compared to the "exotic" architecture of the cell I suppose you could say that.  It\'s certainly more in line with where the computer industry is progressing towards.  But as its\' own assessment that\'s inaccurate to say the least.  The GPU was custom built for the Xbox 360, and it will be at least a year before you see a comparable ATi offering available for the PC.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 14, 2005, 10:26:08 AM
Imo the Xbox360 compaign is very well done by MS. Allard & team show a real human side to Xbox360 gaming and the future Live community on it.

It looks very sincere and it\'s about next gen \'right here, right now\' with a positive vibe to it. Why do i say \'positive vibe\' ?

Becuz MS could have done the campaign \'arrogant\' style, but they didn\'t and that\'s commendable.

For me and many ppl, PS3 is still vaporware when it comes to exact specs and performance. Yeah, I read the tech articles with all the suposedly specs and how it probably works concerning cpu architecture.

Yet, I\'m the kind of person who\'s most curious about the \'not yet revealed\' ; which are the exact numbers.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 14, 2005, 12:06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Yet, I\'m the kind of person who\'s most curious about the \'not yet revealed\' ; which are the exact numbers.


We know it\'s more powerful than the Xbox 360 and you already have those specs.  You can begin there, and, imo, it\'s a really good starting point.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: QuDDus on May 14, 2005, 12:09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rikku
We know it\'s more powerful than the Xbox 360 and you already have those specs.  You can begin there, and, imo, it\'s a really good starting point.


I am like knotter. I am curious too. I have not seen anything official from sony. And nothing concrete has been leaked.

Until something pops I am optimistic
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: ddaryl on May 14, 2005, 01:32:47 PM
I love the numbers game... but who cares which is more powerful as long as the games are fun.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: QuDDus on May 14, 2005, 02:30:13 PM
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but who cares which is more powerful as long as the games are fun.



Sheep
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 14, 2005, 02:46:41 PM
Ok, it\'s like this :

The discussion about what games are fun/good is mostly linked to discussion about which game developers you like.

Since most developers will make games
for all platforms anyway, the discussion
about technical performance is valid.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 14, 2005, 03:00:46 PM
^
true that
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 14, 2005, 03:52:38 PM
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Ok, it\'s like this :

The discussion about what games are fun/good is mostly linked to discussion about which game developers you like.

Since most developers will make games
for all platforms anyway, the discussion
about technical performance is valid.


The exception being the first party developers who usually account for the top tier titles of any console.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 14, 2005, 04:08:39 PM
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But usually its from 1st party developers that we are expecting the most utilisation of the technology\'s capabilities
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 14, 2005, 04:41:26 PM
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^
But usually its from 1st party developers that we are expecting the most utilisation of the technology\'s capabilities


That\'s not the point.  If you want to play Zelda you\'re going to need the next-gen Nintendo system, and any reference to a system other than Nintendo\'s is pointless.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 14, 2005, 04:43:40 PM
Me like games... (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finstagiber.net%2Fsmiliesdotcom%2Fcwm%2Fcwm%2Ffreak3.gif&hash=9e64ad9b3d836ea4a756e9a04b2b3d4d277cd8de)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 14, 2005, 06:08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Rikku
That\'s not the point.  If you want to play Zelda you\'re going to need the next-gen Nintendo system, and any reference to a system other than Nintendo\'s is pointless.


I want a better Zelda though.In all aspects ;)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 14, 2005, 08:00:29 PM
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I want a better Zelda though.In all aspects


Still not the point.

What would Wind Waker have benefited from if it had been on the Xbox?  Can you specifically point something out that would have made the game more enjoyable than it already was just from having been on better hardware?  No?  And there\'s no point in speculating on it either.

When I play a Playstation 2 game like Jak & Daxter I\'m enjoying it because of what Naughty Dog did, and I\'m not resenting it thinking what could have been on more powerful hardware.  In all honestly Jak 3 has been my favorite game of this generation so far, and that\'s because it\'s pretty in respect to the PS2 but more importantly it was loads of fun.  

Being the PS2 fan I presume you are I thought you\'d understand.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 14, 2005, 08:06:25 PM
Both the game and the graphics play a role. The ratios may differ, but you can\'t factor out either one. Especially next generation.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 14, 2005, 08:15:19 PM
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
Both the game and the graphics play a role. The ratios may differ, but you can\'t factor out either one. Especially next generation.


I didn\'t say otherwise.  My point was that you don\'t need the most powerful hardware of the generation to make a fun game.  This, being a PS2 message board, should be full of people who understand that.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 14, 2005, 09:55:48 PM
Yes, I understand that. And now Xbox fanboys are saying it\'s the games, not the graphics, in fear that the PS3 may in fact be more powerful. :rolleyes: I just buy every console so I don\'t miss out on any great titles. I don\'t see the point of defending to the death any piece of electronic equipment.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Samwise on May 14, 2005, 10:46:22 PM
Well if it\'s the games, not the graphics, why have we been listening to XBOX0RZ IS MORE POWERFUL!11 all this time. :p
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 01:11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Rikku
I didn\'t say otherwise.  My point was that you don\'t need the most powerful hardware of the generation to make a fun game.  This, being a PS2 message board, should be full of people who understand that.


I didnt say that we need the most powerful hardware either. :rolleyes:
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 15, 2005, 01:58:13 AM
Well I will just state what most developers themselves state :

"they will make THE games for THE console they think has the most appropriate installed base of fans for THAT game"

Example : Silent Hill games. Technically very do-able on Gamecube. Konami had/has done games for NGC, but no SH games on NGC.

Becuz ; Konami perceives PS2 & Xbox to have the right installed base of gamers who are fans of such games.

The tech power and way of coding of a console does play a role for each developer, although indirectly.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: QuDDus on May 15, 2005, 05:24:54 AM
I bet a lot of sony sheep are going to be pretty pissed if sony doesn\'t deliver mind blowing specs come monday.

I\'ll have a bucket a pop corn and be sitting at puter waiting on the first match to be lit.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 15, 2005, 05:28:00 AM
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Well if it\'s the games, not the graphics, why have we been listening to XBOX0RZ IS MORE POWERFUL!11 all this time.


It\'s both, but when was the last time you didn\'t like your PS2 because the Xbox was out?  The Xbox is more powerful than PS2, that\'s just a fact.  There\'s no sense in arguing that.

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I just buy every console so I don\'t miss out on any great titles. I don\'t see the point of defending to the death any piece of electronic equipment.


I\'m the same way, and I don\'t see the need to boast about the power of one either.

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I didnt say that we need the most powerful hardware either.


Do I dare ask what you did mean?
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 15, 2005, 05:36:05 AM
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Well I will just state what most developers themselves state :

"they will make THE games for THE console they think has the most appropriate installed base of fans for THAT game"

Example : Silent Hill games. Technically very do-able on Gamecube. Konami had/has done games for NGC, but no SH games on NGC.

Becuz ; Konami perceives PS2 & Xbox to have the right installed base of gamers who are fans of such games.


I agree.

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The tech power and way of coding of a console does play a role for each developer, although indirectly.


Not so much, imo.  The first party developers aren\'t going anywhere no matter what happens, and that\'s why I was saying there\'s absolutely no point in speculating their efforts on another system.  

The Xbox and PS2 share alot of titles even though the PS2 has such an "exotic" architecture compared.  Most third party developers will go where ever they can make a buck regardless of power, and that falls in line with your first point.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 10:19:26 AM
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Do I dare ask what you did mean? [/B]

That I am expecting more from this generation.And I want as better graphics as possible.Everyone does.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 15, 2005, 10:31:14 AM
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Originally posted by Unicron!
That I am expecting more from this generation.And I want as better graphics as possible.Everyone does.


That\'s a given, but it has nothing to do with my arguement.

I knew I shouldn\'t have asked...
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 10:35:26 AM
you asked what I ment.And I ve told you.Well.thats what I ment.If you changed the meaning of my words previously or if you assumed different things and your question was directed to what you previously assumed is not my problem

I want PS3 to offer as much as possible. :rolleyes:
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: NVIDIA256 on May 15, 2005, 11:59:50 AM
Don\'t we all
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 15, 2005, 01:11:53 PM
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I bet a lot of sony sheep are going to be pretty pissed if sony doesn\'t deliver mind blowing specs come monday.

I\'ll have a bucket a pop corn and be sitting at puter waiting on the first match to be lit.


ugh.. if the Sony fanboys are sheep, then the Xbox fanboys are ants.

Just watch the Welcome to the Colony Xbox360 clips ....
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 02:30:39 PM
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Don\'t we all


Yes we do.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Evi on May 15, 2005, 02:46:06 PM
That\'s fo damn shizzle.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Soul Reaver on May 15, 2005, 05:07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Knotter8
ugh.. if the Sony fanboys are sheep, then the Xbox fanboys are ants.

Just watch the Welcome to the Colony Xbox360 clips ....


Calling fanboys sheep is a general statement.

It\'s not exclusive to any single kind of loser.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: mm on May 15, 2005, 06:03:13 PM
if your gonna my phrase, at least fucking give me credit
:rpissed:
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 06:07:18 PM
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Originally posted by mm
if your gonna my phrase, at least fucking give me credit
:rpissed:


gonna what? :p
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Soul Reaver on May 15, 2005, 06:10:24 PM
Well, I\'m fucking confused.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 15, 2005, 06:20:37 PM
You\'re fucking what?

how long has the censor been turned off?
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 06:21:54 PM
Is that directed at Soul Reaver or at mm? :p
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 15, 2005, 06:30:23 PM
Who the fuck are you talking to?:p

mm, did you really say that?  It\'s somewhat clever.:)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 15, 2005, 06:34:36 PM
Whats clever?:p
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 15, 2005, 06:55:44 PM
What he claims Soul Reaver took from him.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: mm on May 15, 2005, 07:05:43 PM
sorry, im my disgust i forgot the world "copy"

:rpissed:
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Bozco on May 15, 2005, 07:08:04 PM
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Originally posted by mm
sorry, im my disgust i forgot the world "copy"

:rpissed:


"im my disgust"?
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Samwise on May 15, 2005, 11:34:54 PM
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Originally posted by Rikku
It\'s both, but when was the last time you didn\'t like your PS2 because the Xbox was out?  The Xbox is more powerful than PS2, that\'s just a fact.  There\'s no sense in arguing that.
I don\'t own a PS2.

I\'m just poking fun at the possible scenario of PS3 being more powerful than Xbox2, when the opposite was true this generation. PS2 fans would say "it\'s all about the games" and Xbox fans would say "Xbox stomps all over PS2". Now that the roles might reverse, PS fans are cheering the PS3\'s power over Xbox2, while the other camp is saying how it\'s the games that matters and how Xbox2 is plenty powerful (it is, and so was PS2).

So both sides switched sides in a few years, accusing each other of what they were doing before. Funny how the world works. :)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 16, 2005, 02:36:38 AM
heh nice observation :p
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Soul Reaver on May 16, 2005, 03:03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Bozco
"im my disgust"?


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Calling fanboys sheep is a general statement.

It\'s not exclusive to any single kind of loser.



Copying this?

That\'s far too simple to belong to any single person. You might as well say you own the sentence "Apples are fruits."
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: mm on May 16, 2005, 03:35:00 AM
heh, i really gotta pay more attention

oh, yeah
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on May 16, 2005, 03:51:00 AM
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Originally posted by Samwise
I don\'t own a PS2.

I\'m just poking fun at the possible scenario of PS3 being more powerful than Xbox2, when the opposite was true this generation. PS2 fans would say "it\'s all about the games" and Xbox fans would say "Xbox stomps all over PS2". Now that the roles might reverse, PS fans are cheering the PS3\'s power over Xbox2, while the other camp is saying how it\'s the games that matters and how Xbox2 is plenty powerful (it is, and so was PS2).

So both sides switched sides in a few years, accusing each other of what they were doing before. Funny how the world works. :)



no, people will be saying "ps3 is more powerful and has better games"  and xbox users will be saying "yea, well xbox2 is still better, so hmph"   while pc users will be just " :laughing: "
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Knotter8 on May 16, 2005, 04:02:25 AM
Well.... that\'ll be " :laughing:  " in minor becuz that pc upgrade will cost most of us
dearly ; alot of ppl still have P4\'s and older AMD\'s with AGP boards, so that will be a total upgrade just to keep up with the new graphics standards.
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Riku on May 16, 2005, 06:15:04 AM
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Originally posted by Samwise
I\'m just poking fun at the possible scenario of PS3 being more powerful than Xbox2, when the opposite was true this generation. PS2 fans would say "it\'s all about the games" and Xbox fans would say "Xbox stomps all over PS2". Now that the roles might reverse, PS fans are cheering the PS3\'s power over Xbox2, while the other camp is saying how it\'s the games that matters and how Xbox2 is plenty powerful (it is, and so was PS2).

So both sides switched sides in a few years, accusing each other of what they were doing before. Funny how the world works. :)


I see.  Sony should announce the PS3 specs today, and I predict it will be more powerful but I really don\'t have a clue as to how much.  Whatever the case it\'s going to be funny watching TXB explode.:)
Title: Sony: Next-gen Playstation in 2005 a possibility
Post by: Unicron! on May 16, 2005, 08:21:31 AM
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Copying this?

That\'s far too simple to belong to any single person. You might as well say you own the sentence "Apples are fruits."


:mad:  I for copying my phrase you damn it angry give me some credit will ya (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2central.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fpissed.gif&hash=1f8f8d58e0f5b3111cba6d318e43a0a9b7449b29)