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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: nO-One on May 16, 2005, 04:00:53 PM
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Sony also confirmed the PlayStation 3, will use Blu-Ray discs as its media format. The discs can hold up to six times as much data as current-generation DVDs. It will also supporrd CR-ROM, CDR+W, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R. It also confirmed the machine would be backwards compatible all the way to the original PlayStation.
Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port...
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so Xbox goes concave and sony does to exact opposite.
*edit* more here
Sony also unveiled the PS3\'s graphics chip, the RSX "Reality Synthesizer based on Nvidia technology. The GPU will be capable of 128bit pixel precision, 1080p resolution, some of the highest HD resolution around. It also has over 300 million transistors, larger than any processor available commercially today. It was manufactured using the 90nm process with 8 layers of metal. The RSX is more powerful than two GeForce 6800 ultras, which would cost rough $1000 if bought today.
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from ign
Right now at Sony\'s E3 2005 press conference, the president of Sony Entertainment Europe is showing The Getaway on PS3.
Details are still coming in, but the early word is that the thing is bloody amazing and looks like no digital recreation of London ever has. While the demonstration was devoid of driving or shooting, the game did display some incredible character models walking about a highly detailed English environment. Now, if only the power of PS3 can work out that poor camera just a bit.
They also ran the computer generated Spider-Man model from the actual Spider-Man 2 movie in real-time on PS3
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Is that real?Looks ugly to me.They should have had the same logo as the PS2 only with 2 changed to 3 IMO.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614619p1.html?fromint=1
They also ran the computer generated Spider-Man model from the actual Spider-Man 2 movie in real-time on PS3. Amazing.
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I actually like it, kinda PS2 updated, so far I\'ve liked both the Xbox and PS3 can\'t wait for the Revolution.
Anyhoo, here be the specs
CPU
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for
redundancy
total floating point
performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU
RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound
Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read) System Floating Point Performance
2 TFLOPS
Storage
Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O
USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller
Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)
AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE.
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7 bluetooth controllers support :eek:
For some reason though I dont like that wireless stuff.I hope thats an option
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not impressed
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Well they dont seem groundbraking enough.But I really wonder how games will look on it since numbers usually dont represent actual performance
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Speak of the devil
May 16, 2005 - The first thing my editor-in-chief Jeremy Dunham said when Electronic Arts\' super producer Kudo showed Fight Night Round 3 on PS3 was, "It looks fugging awesome." Of course, he didn\'t actually say fugging, but you get the idea.
The game, according to our boys, looks absolutely amazing. "Totally real," in fact.
Dunham described a couple of fighters going at it, but didn\'t elaborate on who they were. He did describe facial rendering technology that allowed for physics on skin and bones that could actually break.
More details to follow.
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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614708p1.html
May 16, 2005 - Sony just demonstrated clips of a bunch of new PS3 games that were supposedly all real-time and all incredible.
We\'ll have full reports on all of these games within the next few hours, but right now the list looks a little something like,
Tekken -- Namco.
Killzone -- Guerilla
Vision Gran Turismo -- Polyphony Digital
Formula One -- Sony Liverpool
Untitled Old West Game -- Rockstar
Oh-Ni -- Koei
Mobile Suit Gundam -- Bandai
Devil May Cry 4 -- Capcom
Super Gory Wolfensdtein Style FPS -- Insomniac
Metal Gear Solid 4 -- Konami
PYEdentify Voice Recognition Game -- SCEA
Fifth Phantom Saga -- Sega
Heavenly Sword -- Sony
Warhawk -- Incognito
Killing Day -- Ubisoft
Motor Storm -- Evolution
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I\'m eagerly refreshing a bunch of websites, I want pics of the controller!!! I\'m curious to see if they\'ve changed anything
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i hope not
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I ve seen one and it\'s looking bad
REAALY BAD
There it is
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:mad:
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eegh yeah I was just going to post it, jeez that\'s horrible
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baby jesus is crying
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Cant believe Sony changed the design.Looks ugly uncomfortable the shoulder buttons seem wrongly placed.
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I\'ve finally relised what the console reminds me of, a Cray computer.
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They BETTER have fixed the "fuggin" analog sticks. The Playstation\'s thumbsticks have always been the least accurate, all the way back to psx.
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Here are some pics I found from another forum
Killzone
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Here\'s the back:
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Nice flurry of connectors. I like silver the best imo:
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pwnt?
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console look sweet n sexy imho.
not sure about the controller. only thing that come to mind is.. blerg.
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i really wish the killzone pics are real time stuff. they really look like CG capture though =X
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Guys the ps2 looked better aesthetically, plus that controller must be a joke, because if that\'s the real deal, I\'m pissing my pants here. Come On aren’t any of you pissed off at this new Controller, it\'s absolutely ridicules
Also XDR has always looked promising, Personally I am still awaiting it for the pc. My question is How come M$ never incorporated the XDR tech for the Xbox2 (360) Personally I like Sony\'s route of using 256 of super fast XDR mixed with the other half gddr3.
Can\'t wait to get more info on the PS3. Either way boys it looks like both consoles are going to kick some serious ASS.
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Yeah I am not thrilled at all. And the controller looks like shit.
Ps2 looked a lot better
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Honestly, I think the design looks nice, but I wouldn\'t mind if it looks like PS2 with the flat top. This top curve is okay but that give me my first concern which is...
it looks similiar to Bose system which is crappy. And we all know Bose sucks and overpriced their stuff to fool consumers to thinking is a great product...
I hope PS3 doesn\'t influence poeple into liking Bose...please no...
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Heh, it takes a lot more to piss me off than the controller of a videogame system. It looks fine to me. It may take some getting used to but it has buttons, it has sticks, a directional pad, so I\'ll be fine. :)
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It looks fine to me
Speak for yourself;)
Of course the true test will be the user impressions from this years E3
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Uhm.
The Xbox 360 and PS3 controllers look a lot like. They both look like a bastard child of the sidewinder.
With that said - show me screens of DMC4!
Oh and..do I see a....WARHAWK?
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yes you did see warhawk :P
Im impressed by the system , less by the controler , but im not worried , with all the crying from fan\'s , they will surely change it :) hopefully
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Looks bigger than the 360
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I would rather they not screw with the controllers either.
Theonly thing I ever wanted tweaked on the orginal PS controllers was the positioning of the lower shoulder buttons. they should be pointed down slightly under the controller for a more natural fit to your finger placement.
but the specs on the machine sound good. At least Sony decided that 4mb of Vram wasn\'t enough . Heck 512 mb of ram will be sweet.
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i new with xdr sony would only have 256mb of ram. still should be a sweet though.
I new both console would be simular in performance
edit: I forgot they added 256 of vram.
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They should change the way PLAYSTATION3 is written on the god damn thing.Looks stupid.Its like an amateur choose the letter style.
Write the God damn thing like the PS2 logo.
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Why so you can be happy, stfu!!!
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Originally posted by QuDDus
i new with xdr sony would only have 256mb of ram. still should be a sweet though.
I new both console would be simular in performance
there\'s 512 mb\'s of Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
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256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
I agree the machines won\'t be far apart from each other.
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Originally posted by dddaryl
there\'s 512 mb\'s of Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
and
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
I agree the machines won\'t be far apart from each other.
yeah but the 512mb is totaly memory for xbox while sony has a limit of 256 video memory.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
yeah but the 512mb is totaly memory for xbox while sony has a limit of 256 video memory.
Xbox360 is going to have to store those textures somewhere. From the Xbox360 specs I didn\'t see any Vram mentioned just system ram.
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:eek:
CAN THIS BE REAL TIME?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
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:eek:
CAN THIS BE REAL TIME?
Graphics so good you can see the blackheads in the guys face... ewwww!
It may be realtime, but its without any gaming going on. lots of other things need to be calculated that isn\'t being done in this demo
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don\'t think so
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Oh my dear lord
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Ok I see lots of flaws in the graphics.Seems like a port from PS2 with enhancements
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meuh , im not impressed with the GT5 ones , looks like GT4 actualy
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I just watched the video. It\'s all CG but man I am kinda siked for Devilmay cry 4. I dunno I think this time they will actually get the camera right.
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No chance in hell you will see those graphics in the PS3 Tekken title. Don\'t even think about it.
Infact - all these screens we are see\'ing are either CG or demo\'s. I want to see some ingame footage.
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I\'d get the black one for sure
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http://www.gamespot.com/live/streamer_new2.html?title=Sony+E3+2005+Press+Conference&path=2stream_sonypress_e305.asx&pid=927750&ppath=ps3/action/playstation3hardware&ksubmoid=&urdate=1167552000
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/devilmaycry4/media.html
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In honor of DMC4, I have changed my avatar. Just thought I\'d let you all know.
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/yawn/
I expect more than a single screen, Capcom.
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Originally posted by jp6666
meuh , im not impressed with the GT5 ones , looks like GT4 actualy
I\'m sure polyphony used GT4 to make the footage. They port the information over to PS3 hardware then up the resolution and insert better textures among other tweaks.
It\'ll be awhile before developers get the final dev kits and start getting the tools they need to put the finishing touches on their games.
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:laughing:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
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Looks bigger than the 360
nope.. see for yourself
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some think it looks like a fridge standing up
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How things change. It\'s the opposite of this gen. The PS3 is bigger and ugly, but has more power. It also has the worse controller I\'ve ever seen.
Fanboys everywhere are scrambling having slagged the xbox since release over it\'s size, aesthetics adn clunky controller.
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did you notice that pic a post above you... ps3 is quite a bit smaller than xbox 360. But i\'ll give you the controller though, that boomerang is nasty lookin\'
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The PS2 is not a pretty console, granted the PsTwo is tho\'.
This PS3 is just nasty looking and don\'t get me started on EITHER next generation controller.
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We already said that a billion times
Anyways here is a DMC4 video
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748464/vids_1.html
Still havent watched it
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That pic could show anything.
According to IGN:
PS3 About 13.5" x 3.25"
Xbox360 About 10.25" x 2.5"
And there\'s a pic of Kutaragi holding the damned thing. It looks pretty fucking huge.
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every console this gen is going to be white :p
I blame it all on Apple. Damn your sexy machines!
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That pic could show anything.
That pic is not to proper scale, besides the dimensions u posted says it all, if indeed they are 100% accurate.
Regardless, I am assuming that 3rd parties will produce mimic ps2 controllers with what ever new features the new one includes.
One more thing which I feel is important to mention. Considering that Sony has ample time before the ps3 launch, if indeed the new ps3 controller stirs up a hornets nest with the consumers, I\'m sure that Sony would consider redesigning or altering the controller to better please it\'s potential customers. What I am a bit perplexed about is that a massive and successful Console game maker "SONY" would botcher up an already well established Controller PS2(granted it defiantly could use improvement) Maybe that design is not final or we must also take into account that at this point in time we know very little about it other that the picture provided. My personal initial opinion based on the pic is that it feels as if Sony has moved backwards in it\'s design and functionality. To be fair I will have to reserve my final judgment until I read the E3 user opinions plus when I actually get that sucker in my hands.
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WTF is wrong with you byatches... bitch bitch bitch. Go back to masturbating.
The PS3 is a beast. It\'s sexy. The controller... not so much, but then buy an uoriginal one, if it really bugs you that much (not that any of you have tried it).
2 GFLOPS... 1024p output... etc. etc. etc. How the hell can you NOT be excited? I guess you should just go back to playing Ping Pong because it\'s the only thing cool enough for you hardcore playas. :laughing:
EDIT: The size isn\'t bad. Yeah it\'s bigger than Xbox 360, but it\'s not HUGE. Just look at the DVD slot and compare to the rest of the console.
EDIT2: Another plus is the BluRay drive. Up to 50 gigs is nice. :)
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What Sexy Samwise said...
i love the new look... kind of reminds me of a F1 cars downforce spoiler.
And as for the controller ....
up to 7 Wireless....
Whatsn\'t a whole group of you bitches...moaning about the PS2 and its 2 controller ports way back when.
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wow
pretty bad
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Great Gagggggamoooooogggoooo
Just got the Final Fantasy 7 Vid...:D
No plans in release\'n FF7 for the PS3 ?
¬_¬
We should brake a few leg\'s over at square and make them "Squarenix in pain".... :p
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They couldn\'t make a better controller?
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Who cares... i would play a FF7 on the ps3 with a 3rd party controller covered in dog poo...
If Squareeniq ever come round ... to COMMON BLOODY SENCE !
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You can play it now, with a dual shock.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
They couldn\'t make a better controller?
As opposed to the one you haven\'t seen in person, let alone tried out?
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Originally posted by Samwise
As opposed to the one you haven\'t seen in person, let alone tried out?
I\'m not saying it will be a terrible controller.
It\'s just ugly. Really, really, ugly.
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Yeah, controller doesn\'t look comfortable, but I\'m positive it would be.
I think to console is sexy as hell, though.
Warhawk and Killzone look great. Haven\'t really looked too much at the other stuff, yet.
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WHO Cares....
FF7... PS3 tech demo...
Now all we have to do is get all the FF7 fans in the world to STORM Square-Enix HQ and Deman a RELASE on the PS3 & X360...
Come on Square-Enix...if you do this ..you can relase all the CRAPY 3rd rate titles you want...you can even do anther FILM.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Yeah, controller doesn\'t look comfortable, but I\'m positive it would be.
I think to console is sexy as hell, though.
Warhawk and Killzone look great. Haven\'t really looked too much at the other stuff, yet.
Bobby.... FF7 Tech demo.....
http://www.gamespot.com/live/streamer_new2.html?title=Final+Fantasy+VII+Technical+Demo+for+PS3&path=finalfantasyVIItd_gp_ps31_051605.asx&pid=928303&rgroup=8283
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Controller is growing on me. It won\'t be too bad. It looks good when it\'s side by side with the system.
Hmm.. that video is tempting, but my 56k can\'t handle it. Next time.
That George Foreman pic is great, btw, mm.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I ve seen one and it\'s looking bad
REAALY BAD
There it is
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:mad:
the larger "wings" may acount for the Wireless function of the new controller.
to contain the battery
Acording to the articles you can play it for 24 hours before needing recharged...
not bad...
as long as its balanced right and not as chuncky as the Xbox controller it will be fine.
if its Sonys answer to the wavebird fgrom nintendo i will me VERY happy indeed.
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*cries* NOOOO! The PS3 is not stackable! *sobs*
Someone hold me!
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You put it on it\'s side, though. And you can stack it on top of something else!
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Sexxxxyyyyyyy. Even the controller looks nice.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
*cries* NOOOO! The PS3 is not stackable! *sobs*
Someone hold me!
Looks sexy though ...
and from the looks of things... it is kind of stackable...
Just as long as you puy it to the top of your DVD player / TV box..../ Ampunit Pile.
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Holy....it\'s reflective! Like liquid metal! And the logo glooooows!
BTW....PS3 can play PSX and PS2 games - that still true? Coz I\'m ready to toss the PSX into the donation bin.
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they said backwards compatable with the PS2.... so i think PSone should be ok.
oh and PS... Christ didn\'t realise the logo glooooows.
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Backwards Compatablity...
Also you get a link up option with your PSP if you got one.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
That pic could show anything.
According to IGN:
PS3 About 13.5" x 3.25"
Xbox360 About 10.25" x 2.5"
And there\'s a pic of Kutaragi holding the damned thing. It looks pretty fucking huge.
Maybe it because Kutaragi is a tiny japanese man! Seriously though, maybe the ps3 is bigger... but looking how they scaled it off the usb ports (which should be the same...agree?) it appears to be smaller. I guess we won\'t know until we see some official measurements
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anyone know what the storage is for the PS3 ?
is it mem cards ?
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
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LOOK AT ALL THOSE TITTIES!:eek:
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It seems MS knows Xbox 360 is the underdog this time, thus making it concave. Sony knows PS3 will be on top (literally). :p
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its good to be on the bottom sometimes.... errr so my wife tells me :p
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
You put it on it\'s side, though. And you can stack it on top of something else!
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Sexxxxyyyyyyy. Even the controller looks nice.
I like the black one better. Still looks kind of weired. And I guess the controller will grow on me. Regardless of what it looks like I am getting one.
I mean I never really thought the xbox was sexy and I bought one.
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Which color would you guys rather get? I prefer white or black over the silver one.
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The console is not as sleek as I thought it would be, but the black one looks good enough. I wish MS were doing the same thing with the 360.
The controller doesn\'t look too good, but I\'ll wait to have it in my hands before I say it Sux0rs or something like that.
The games look pretty; that pit stop of GT5 looks really nice, but the others are just good. I\'m getting a bunch of red x\'s for everything else so I can\'t comment.
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I\'d like to see some side shots of the controller, the more I look at it the more convinced I am that the buttons on top of it aren\'t buttons at all and the triggers we are used to aren\'t visible. The buttons are just very high up and close together on the controller resulting in a very awkvard finger position.
And the Spiderman font on the front has to go.
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I wonder if the 2nd set of shoulder buttons might be underneath the controller. I always find that the L2 and R2 buttons on the PS controller were not in the best natural position. If they angles the R2 and L2 shoulder buttons to a 20 degree angle pointing down that would allow for a more natural feel IMO.
There also might be trigger styled buttons underneath, otherwise I don\'t think the controller will be as bad as some feel.
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nope I was wrong....sadly
This seems to be an ergonomic disaster
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When I first saw the console i was thinking "what the hell is sony thinking" but the black version is looking pretty neat. I really liked the design of the ps2 and this looks nothing similar (not to say something has to look like a ps2 to have a good design).
The controller, on the other hand, im just not getting. I hope that sony isnt kicking themselves in the nads. The ps2 controller IMO was almost perfect. The analog sticks could have had a little bit of work and the controller could be made to be a little more durable but other than that It was my favorite controller this gen.
On the games, im a little scetchy. Ive watched most of the videos and the resolution was obviously fairly low on a couple, some of which seemed oddly pre rendered. Actually i dont fully remember what they look like at this point since when i saw them last night i was on the brink of falling asleep.
The press conference is iffy so far too (only 14 mins in). Sony\'s stiff corporate image compared to the xbox360 team definately hurts them as well as a few things.
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I\'ve watched all the trailers available on IGN and can say I\'m impressed, but not sold yet.
Oh, and Heavenly Sword owns all. OMFG does it ever.
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I\'ll take corporate image over the "hip youngster at 45" MS image any day.
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Originally posted by nO-One
nope I was wrong....sadly
This seems to be an ergonomic disaster
Not sure I agree, it seems a little more ergonomic then the original controller design IMO.
I\'d have to give it a feel though. I personally do not see much if any problem with the design in general, people fear change.
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You know what it looks like? Like one of the many third party PS2 controllers, down to the shoulders buttons being to close.
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Why are there shoulder buttons on the middle part of the controller?
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I will judge a controlpad when i have it in my hands playing a game.
So far, I\'m impressed with PS3 like I thought I would.
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Originally posted by Samwise
I\'ll take corporate image over the "hip youngster at 45" MS image any day.
Someone posted this on another forum:
Before Xbox Launch:
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Xbox 360 Press Conference:
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hehehe :nut:
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Yeah, I\'ve seen that... crazy makeover! This, coupled with MTV showings... I guess MS really means business! :D
MS marketing guy: "Hey, let\'s sell it to those young people... let\'s give Allard an extreme makeover and teach him some hip lingo. He\'ll be down with the youngsters in no time! And we\'ll reveal Xbox 360 on MTV, that music channel the kids all seem to like! And we\'ll get celebs to say it\'s cool! THEY WILL LOVE IT!"
;)
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He\'s so dreamy.
I bet he is an intense lover.
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Paint it black and you have a bat-a-rang!
The face buttons are too far apart. The D-Pad looks weak (which has always been the best quality of the PS controller in comparison to others\'). Or maybe it\'s just fine? Wanting a hands-on. My hands, not yours.
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I still think sony should have moved the left analog stick to where the D-pad is. At least microsoft and nintendo get that part right :(
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I may be alone in my opinion but I\'m glad they kept the D pad where it is, I use it more than the analog sticks.
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I get mad when games only use the D pad (virtua fighter & tekken come to mind), I use the analog sticks 90% of the time, but I still occasionally use the dpad in certain games so by no means am I saying it needs to be totally removed.
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Originally posted by JBean
I still think sony should have moved the left analog stick to where the D-pad is. At least microsoft and nintendo get that part right :(
Yea really important for shooters.
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This is completely unscientific, but I was playing around in PS to compare the size of the two consoles. I compared the relative size of the DVD tray.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
He\'s so dreamy.
I bet he is an intense lover.
Originally posted by Hawke
Paint it black and you have a bat-a-rang!
The face buttons are too far apart. The D-Pad looks weak (which has always been the best quality of the PS controller in comparison to others\'). Or maybe it\'s just fine? Wanting a hands-on. My hands, not yours.
Is it just me or is this thread getting sexyer per post ?
unzip :jb:
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Okay, someone needs a pants-on. Don\'t let the zipper nip you on your way back in.
I definitely think the D-Pad should stay where it is. It\'s a must for games that require digital precision (fighting games, puzzle games, etc.) and I like it how the analog sticks are level to each other. More precision to the sticks though, the DS2 sticks were still a bit too wobbly.
I\'ve spent a few hours looking through E³ footage. Impressive/intresting stuff on the PS3 front. The Box360 combo platter seemed less intriguing. (not by means of quality technical performance, but the games line-up)
Damn, I said BLACK! Black is sexayh.
EDIT: It\'s funny how everyone\'s just playing it safe, showing titles with excess visual flare. Nothing too original on show for the next gen consoles. At least in the reports I\'ve witnessed thus far.
Shadow of the Colossus is the only game I\'ve got my eyes on right now. Magickal. And We Love Katamari. And maybe something else.
I CAN\'T BELIEVE IT\'S AN EDIT: Doesn\'t anyone else think the "PlayStation 3" font looks a tad too similar to the one used in the Spiderman movie titles?
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Yes it does and it sucks!
Originally posted by JBean
I get mad when games only use the D pad (virtua fighter & tekken come to mind), I use the analog sticks 90% of the time, but I still occasionally use the dpad in certain games so by no means am I saying it needs to be totally removed.
I cant imagine performing combos with the same accuracy as the d-pad with the analog
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Christ ....
Unicron! found the PS3 thread...
ABANDON SHIP.... Women and childern first ! ...on second thoughts lets leave the women :jb:
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Ico\'s still my fav. Looking forward to that new Shadow of Colossus game, but the question is : will it be able to NOT disappoint after Ico ? :(
I see alot of ppl b1tching about the spiderman font on PS3. Personally, I have no problems with it. i think it looks cool.
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Originally posted by Hawke
Doesn\'t anyone else think the "PlayStation 3" font looks a tad too similar to the one used in the Spiderman movie titles?
yep, I mentioned that a few pages back. But it was a Sony picture so they own the font. Still I would\'ve liked atleast some visable changes this makes me think "Spiderman the console"
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Sorry for bringing up old crap. :p I\'m not bitching about the font, it just looks a bit odd. The PS2 logo was just so sleek and unique at the time, and didn\'t carry any weird connotation like "WTF Spideyfont!?", as you mention...
I should really do tomorrow\'s homework...
BTW, now that I tried to get up, I noticed something laying on the floor, kinda reminds me of something else...
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God this pad sucks.
Riddle me this, why does almost every hardware manufacturer insist on making the D-pad a disc, rather that just 4 arrows like the PS controller. I\'ve yet to come by a circular D-pad that\'s at least remotely reliable.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Christ ....
Unicron! found the PS3 thread...
ABANDON SHIP.... Women and childern first ! ...on second thoughts lets leave the women :jb:
I came before you came :D
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I came before you came :D
for you sake i hope your talking about the thread... becausei have INTERPOL on quickdial.
;)
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Skrew you and your interpol :p
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Nice controller comparison Hawke..
There\'s also this old PSX third party controller, which was actually really good.
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These "Boomerangs", as some have dubbed them, have existed through the ages, emerging periodically from their dank dwellings when mankind has been least prepared to take them into their hearts.
Once again this time has dawned, and with the advent of Sony\'s next console, people can finally grab a "Boomerang" of their own and go knock down some of those vile kangaroos and other anomalous animals that keep kicking down our garden gnomes. If only people would finally see that these banana-like apparatus are not to be feared, but cherished. There is yet need for truly ergonomic marsupial-slaughtering devices before we can evolve to the über-beings we deserve to be. Do not judge by appearance alone!
(...oh fåck I\'m tired...)
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Well i finished the press conferance video
I dont mind the "spiderman" looking font. It looks neat and though it looked familiar, i didnt make the direct connection untill somebody said it.
Im still a little unsure about the games. "GT5" looks so strikingly similar to 4 with the exception of more cars and more people. Needless to say, i wasnt thrilled enough to jump for joy.
There were some washy colors/textures in the new insomniac (i think) game with the aliens vs all the troops. It seems that a lot of people are pushing the numbers a lot more than trying to show the poly count and textural capabilities (warhawk, GT, the insomniac game or w/e etc.)
The new unreal demo looked sexy but im still not sold that both that and the killzone etc demos are real time (playable). Even with the Fight Night 3 "real time" demo, it seemed that these playable games werent really that playable. The demo was obviously scripted (though i do think that the FN3 demo could be real time easily). The realtime demo that caught me was the EYE TOY one with the water and the cups/ etc. That was looking pretty sexy i must say.
The controller pictures of it in real life are making more bearable but the analog sticks should have a center indentation to make them more controllable. Once that grip wears out, theres nothing to keep your thumbs from falling off. I have no real problem with the placement, its just the stick design itself.
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Controller design is an aesthetic nightmare and I\'m hoping that it at least feels right in your hands. Not really pleased with any of the designs for anything next gen. Oh well, guess I\'m not buying them for how they look anyhow. That\'s if I can afford to buy one.
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I saw the specs listed a 2.5" detachable HDD. It didnt give a specific size in storage, so is the HDD going to be another add-on? If so, I fucking hate you sony.
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There are no memory cards! You need to buy a HDD to save your progress!
The very first batch of Sony analogue pads had indented sticks. They hurted my finger and I had a boo-boo. Bad memories. They weren\'t padded in any way though, maybe technology to realize something as utopistic as "Padded, indented anal. sticks" is dawning upon us!
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MGS4 still being desgined, produced and directed by Hideo Kojima?
I\'m fucking sold, regardless of the ugly controller.
I was gonna buy it anyway. [/color]
edit
You guys should definitely watch the video for MGS4. It\'s worth it.
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What? You can use memory sticks as storage, can\'t you? That\'s what I read.
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It\'s still not much more than an announcement video about who will actually direct and star MGS4.
Very funny stuff though.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
It\'s still not much more than an announcement video about who will actually direct and star MGS4.
Very funny stuff though.
I was kind of iffy about someone else doing the MGS series. I\'m just really relieved that Kojima will handle this version.
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Even if the killzone2 is fake...
The List of features and future games for the PS3 has made it a done deal in my eyes already..
And this was before MGS4 was confirmed ...with Hideo at the HELM.
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
What? You can use memory sticks as storage, can\'t you? That\'s what I read.
I saw what looks like 3 ports un the "hood"
i am sure i saw a Sony Memory Stick DUO Slot under the bay door.
along with a Standard memroy stick slot ans wehat looks like the classice memory card slot too.
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http://playstationana.ytmnd.com/
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LMAO.... Soul Reaver
Originally posted by Samwise
Which color would you guys rather get? I prefer white or black over the silver one.
Black...
For me..
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besides memorystick support, ps3 has slots for compact flash and SD cards too. You can get a 128 MB SD card for under 20 bucks.
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So with other words we wont be able to use our saved progress of PS1 and PS2 games on PS3?No memory card slot??
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You\'ll need the PS3 data converter for old save games. Sold seperately though.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
You\'ll need the PS3 data converter for old save games. Sold seperately though.
No biggie...
Would be even better if you could transfer all your old saves to a SD card.
if notb i could live this have a small box next to my PS3 to plug in my old cards.
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I found it funny how many people booed when they showed raiden in the MGS4 trailer. Also, after 2, Hideo said he was off MGS but hes not. Im glad but dont really know what to say about what he was thinking. Maybe somebody put him at gunpoint and told him that if he didnt make MGS games then they would Steal his movie collection or something (i dont know).
On the memory card business: It seems easy to use standard pc memory storage but personally im not a fan of these flimsy little sticks and such. I know they have cases but its just not the same. If they are going to make the damn thing backwards compatible then why put people though the hassle of buying some separate adapter?
Lame
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
[B. If they are going to make the damn thing backwards compatible then why put people though the hassle of buying some separate adapter?
[/B]
Simple...
For EXTRA ... $$$$$... and ££££££ and ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥
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at least they did away with those damn multi-taps
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OMG: Watchdog is back! :D
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I think the new PS3 looks cool.. Id pick up a platinum one... I do wish they would stick with the old controllers
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There\'ll probably be third party emulators for DS2 pads.
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Sony won\'t change the Playstation controller until Nintendo does something new. That seems to be their modus operandi.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Also, after 2, Hideo said he was off MGS but hes not.
MGS3 was supposed to be his last.
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Well, it seems Kojima has a kind own sub-company within Konami known as Kojima Productions.
Info here (http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/004.html)
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Originally posted by ooseven
No biggie...
Would be even better if you could transfer all your old saves to a SD card.
if notb i could live this have a small box next to my PS3 to plug in my old cards.
Yet if MS done this, you\'d all cry they was trying to rip you off.
There is no reason Sony should not induce memory card ports.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Sony won\'t change the Playstation controller until Nintendo does something new. That seems to be their modus operandi.
What? N64 controller looks way different from the GC controller yet the PSX and PS2 controllers are basically the same.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yet if MS done this, you\'d all cry they was trying to rip you off.
There is no reason Sony should not induce memory card ports.
Well that was to be expected considering this is a PS2 forum.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
What? N64 controller looks way different from the GC controller yet the PSX and PS2 controllers are basically the same.
Sony isn\'t known as an innovator when it comes to gaming. Unless Nintendo comes up with a new control feature, Sony is not likely to change their controller.
The original PSX controller was basically a SNES controller with extra shoulder buttons.
As soon as Nintendo came out with the ingenious analog stick that has become a necessity in 3d gaming Sony scrambled to release the Dualshock controller and added an EXTRA analog stick. Don\'t forget the N64\'s rumble pack.
If the controller for the revolution is indeed revolutionary then Sony is likely to implement it in their own controller and add an extra one.
User interaction is not something that Sony seems to devote a lot of R&D to.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Sony isn\'t known as an innovator when it comes to gaming. Unless Nintendo comes up with a new control feature, Sony is not likely to change their controller.
The original PSX controller was basically a SNES controller with extra shoulder buttons.
As soon as Nintendo came out with the ingenious analog stick that has become a necessity in 3d gaming Sony scrambled to release the Dualshock controller and added an EXTRA analog stick. Don\'t forget the N64\'s rumble pack.
If the controller for the revolution is indeed revolutionary then Sony is likely to implement it in their own controller and add an extra one.
User interaction is not something that Sony seems to devote a lot of R&D to.
Preach on brotha\', preach on.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yet if MS done this, you\'d all cry they was trying to rip you off.
There is no reason Sony should not induce memory card ports.
agreed
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Been forever since I have posted but here goes. ;)
Sony had to change there controller:
http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/PlaystationMagazine/2004/12/01/614741?extID=10032&oliID=213
They lost the lawsite a month or two ago, can\'t remember when. That\'s why its really hard to find Ps2\'s in stock at stores in some parts of the US. Trying to find a Ps2 in the Northwest right now is like looking for a needle in a haystack. It\'s crazy.
So I\'m not shocked at all that the Ps3 has a "new" design.
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Yea, we know about the legal issues. It\'s just that why couldn\'t they possibly make something original but not ugly?
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Yea, we know about the legal issues. It\'s just that why couldn\'t they possibly make something original but not ugly?
Sony isn\'t know for orginality. Let\'s not kid ourselves, here.
Hell, even this controller is not original. It looks exactly like a PS2 third party controller. An uncomfortable one at that.
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I like the black one:
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God awful font.
Then again, I hated Spider-man.
:D
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I liked the 2nd Spidey flick more than the first...it seemed more "epic" or something. But yeah...I\'m confused as to why they\'re using the Spidey font. Kinda strange.
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I hope they change it
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All the official PS3 pics say (on the bottom) the design is subject to change without notice. This going for both the console and the controller.
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Thank God
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Yeah, I know. You either love the design, or you want commit mass fuzzy bunny homicide.
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Nah didnt have that in mind.I just know I wont be able to resist and buy a piece of ugly hardware which I ll place next to my TV and look funny while holding that dildo controler :p
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Evisc, why the hell did you attach an image that I linked to earlier in the thread?
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I couldn\'t see the images while I was using the other crap user name. My apologies. :)
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User interaction is not something that Sony seems to devote a lot of R&D to.
You must have been living in a cave while Sony R&D have actively researched and developed a friendly camera called EyeToy that features user-interaction through motion. Not only that, but Sony have actively tried to enhance that experience by implementing colour recognition (as seen in SpyToy and in earlier demos when EyeToy was introduced; i.e., the Witch demo).
In fact, interaction of that level has been even shown using the EyeToy on PS3 at Sony\'s pre E3 press conference.
Sony isn\'t known as an innovator when it comes to gaming.
I won\'t go as far to call them "TEH INOVATORZ", but they clearly have demonstrated some innovation in form of hardware architecture with the PS2. Technological innovation can also lead to innovation in gameplay btw.
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Eyetoy - It\'s been done before. It was a gimmick then and it\'s a gimmick now.
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Originally posted by seven
You must have been living in a cave while Sony R&D have actively researched and developed a friendly camera called EyeToy that features user-interaction through motion. Not only that, but Sony have actively tried to enhance that experience by implementing colour recognition (as seen in SpyToy and in earlier demos when EyeToy was introduced; i.e., the Witch demo).
In fact, interaction of that level has been even shown using the EyeToy on PS3 at Sony\'s pre E3 press conference.
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2. Every webcam since god knows when does the exact same thing that the eye toy does. At best Sony took an off the shelf webcam and connected it to the PS2.
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the gameboy camera did not have the same level of interactivity as the eye toy does. That thing just took pictures.. I don\'t remember being able to karate chop little dudes using the GB camera....
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Eyetoy - It\'s been done before. It was a gimmick then and it\'s a gimmick now
I think you need to look up the word gimmick.
Every webcam since god knows when does the exact same thing that the eye toy does. At best Sony took an off the shelf webcam and connected it to the PS2.
It\'s not the hardware that does it, it\'s the software. Besides, I don\'t recall any other webcam enabling some user interface on any other platform, even on PC. Maybe you care to point them out?
(BTW; That Gameboy cam is nothing more than to take photos, as far as I know)
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Nintendo did have plans to incorporate avatar pics in Perfect Dark, by using that GB camera, but it got scrapped.
I also vaguely remember some Corel Draw kind of app which would use the cam in combo with the 64DD. We all know what happened to that thing...
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Originally posted by Jumpman
every console this gen is going to be white :p
yea they were caterin\' to the afri americans last gen..this gen it\'s the white folk...next the color will be butter peacan tan,..for my puerto rican and latino peeps..;)
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It\'s because of that damn iPod.
X360 = Giant iPod
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
It\'s because of that damn iPod.
X360 = Giant iPod
Agreed.
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Originally posted by seven
It\'s not the hardware that does it, it\'s the software. Besides, I don\'t recall any other webcam enabling some user interface on any other platform, even on PC. Maybe you care to point them out?
(BTW; That Gameboy cam is nothing more than to take photos, as far as I know)
When I worked at Best Buy back in 2001 we used to setup certain computers with webcams that had games running. They had the same kind of stuff that is on the Eye toy. People would stand in front of the camera and make fools of themselves while trying to play the game on screen.
Don\'t fool yourself. The Eye toy is a webcam. There is nothing innovative about it.
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Yeah I had a web cam that did the same thing.But still I believe its innovative since the Eye Toy is the first to e used in gaming and be able to do so many things with it
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
When I worked at Best Buy back in 2001 we used to setup certain computers with webcams that had games running. They had the same kind of stuff that is on the Eye toy. People would stand in front of the camera and make fools of themselves while trying to play the game on screen.
Don\'t fool yourself. The Eye toy is a webcam. There is nothing innovative about it.
that\'s what i thought..i seen that eye toy thing a couple of years ago and all i did was see myself on tv...couldn\'t figure out how to actually play the game tho...
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As stated by others, most webcams do exactly what the Eyetoy does. Infact, a lot of webcams come with software just for that. My old ( around \'99) intel webcam came with software that had the user interact with the game. So, please, don\'t kid yourself.
Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah I had a web cam that did the same thing.But still I believe its innovative since the Eye Toy is the first to e used in gaming and be able to do so many things with it
Hello? Sega had something close to that. You laid it on the floor and it translated your moves to the screen. I don\'t recall the name of it tho\'.
Nintendo had the camera, which would allow users to put themselves into the game, most notable was Perfect Dark, but it was pulled at last mintue, in fear of kids putting pictures of their teachers in the game or what not.
The eyetoy is nothing original.
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Black Samurai;
Don\'t fool yourself. The Eye toy is a webcam. There is nothing innovative about it.
Which part of...
It\'s not the hardware that does it, it\'s the software.
...don\'t you understand? We all know EyeToy is just a camera - the innovation lies within the software developed by Sony\'s R&D Studios. Even if such technology has been developed before, it never reached beyond a very small niche market - in fact, I\'ve never heard of it. Fact is, Sony got this into the market and brought this experience to many people that haven\'t seen this before. It\'s a great thing.
Besides, you have yet to prove which software did it earlier. I\'d be quite interested to see for myself how good it was and how advanced the application behind it was. Care to provide us with a link?
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I had something similar but no way you can compare it with the eye toy.It came with the Web cams installation disc.
One of the programs it had was a sceen saver which showed a screen of what your camera sees a ball that flowed in the screen and a basket.
It detected movement and for example if you moved your hand towards the ball the ball moved and started bouncing on the screen\'s "walls".You were supposed to make it enter the basket.
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Originally posted by seven
We all know EyeToy is just a camera - the innovation lies within the software developed by Sony\'s R&D Studios. Even if such technology has been developed before, it never reached beyond a very small niche market - in fact, I\'ve never heard of it. Fact is, Sony got this into the market and brought this experience to many people that haven\'t seen this before. It\'s a great thing.
Besides, you have yet to prove which software did it earlier. I\'d be quite interested to see for myself how good it was and how advanced the application behind it was. Care to provide us with a link?
So basically what you are saying is that if I invent something interesting it doesn\'t count as innovative until someone else makes the EXACT same thing and sells it to more people? That doesn\'t make any sense.
I mean, if you consider "stores all around the world" a niche market then I don\'t know what to tell you. The fact of the matter is that webcams have pretty much the same architecture and come with the same software functionality as the Eyetoy.
You are trying to use backwards ass logic to convince yourself that the Eyetoy was this great invention when it is not.
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Apple ToySight article from 2003 (http://www.apple.com/games/articles/2003/12/toysight/)
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That\'s not what I said at all. I was saying that EyeToy brought something innovative and fun to millions of users that didn\'t know something like that was possible or even existed.
It was this quote by you (specifically the bolded one) that I directly disagree with:
Sony isn\'t known as an innovator when it comes to gaming. Unless Nintendo comes up with a new control feature, Sony is not likely to change their controller.
What I am saying is that Sony has been experimenting with a new control feature through EyeToy. There\'s also a patent filed from Sony over new controller-devices.
And btw; EyeToy was introduced in 2002 if memory serves me correct.
User interaction is not something that Sony seems to devote a lot of R&D to.
Another one of your quotes btw that is nullfied by the fact that Sony R&D have actively participated in the development of user-interaction through camera, as with new controller-type interfaces (there are patents filed on this).
As soon as Nintendo came out with the ingenious analog stick that has become a necessity in 3d gaming Sony scrambled to release the Dualshock controller and added an EXTRA analog stick.
Nintendo weren\'t the first to implement an analog stick either. Your point?
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Originally posted by seven
Your point?
My point is that Sony is not an innovator. A point which you have yet to counter.
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That wasn\'t the point argued though.
You\'re arguments I\'ve disagreed with have already been countered.
If you want this discussion to advance beyond the point I argued, you better define "innovator" first.