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And it\'s definately as good as they say it is. While the first half of the movie is on par with episodes 1 and 2, the last half is as powerful (or more so) than any other movie in the series. The climax is just beautiful in it\'s execution, and wrought with emotion.
I won\'t give anything away just yet, but it\'s a very powerful movie, and wraps everything up nicely. The only possible complaint, which is almost a compliment, is that it does exactly what everyone expected, and wanted, it to do.
Edit: Well, it\'s 3am in the morning, and I can\'t exactly remember everything I wanted to type in this space, but I will say this: It left me wanting to watch episodes 4,5 and 6 all over again... now if only they could improve the light-saber fight in Episode 4 between OB1 and Vader. After watching Episode 3, it\'s almost an anti-climax.
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When does Episode 4 come out?
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*editted my post
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BOB check your pm\'s I need your e-mail for MSN
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how many hot girls were at the theater?
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Probably none.
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boy, girl. it doesn\'t matter to a star wars nerd
when the bear\'s hungry, he\'ll eat
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Star Wars lines are not fun to wait in...
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There were quite a few hot girls.
And a whole lot of ugly ones.
Oh, and we didn\'t wait in any lines. My friend worked at the cinemas and bought the tickets for us, then we just walzed on in.
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Oh, and we didn\'t wait in any lines. My friend worked at the cinemas and bought the tickets for us, then we just walzed on in.
I wish I had those kind of connections. When I waited for Episode I, me and a few friends were 1st in line, and it was like a 3 hour wait. It sucked.
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Just saw it too, Nothing like watching it on Vmax, One of the biggest cinemas in the world.
anyway it was great, i felt it started to drag on alittle towards the end.
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Quite depressing as it was intended to be, but there\'s no way I can complain, I got my moneys worth on this one. Anything that has a chance to surpass Titanic on the all time grossing movies list is good in my books.
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Saw it. Loved it. Some things could have been better while other parts were great.
Im not complaining. I got in for free.
I would have happily paid to see it.
Theres a lot that can be said but im not saying anything.
Ill leave it at that for now.
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Depressing? I think the movie ended perfectly.
[sp]While the death of the Jedi\'s, and Yoda\'s failing to defeat Sidious (though he seemed to triumph in a battle of \'the force\'..) was fairly depressing, OB1\'s triumph over the more powerful Anakin was brilliant and left me feeling pretty darn good. Not to mention the birth of Luke and Leia following.
Though, I suspect Jimmy Smits\' character is a pedophile...[/sp]
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saw it also. slept 3 hours before work ><
The 1st 15 mins of the movie were kickass, nice intro. i found myself holding my breath from time and having some face twist in the 1st laser fight with Dooku.
This movie is great, evertyhing was like i hope it would be.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Depressing? I think the movie ended perfectly.
[sp]While the death of the Jedi\'s, and Yoda\'s failing to defeat Sidious (though he seemed to triumph in a battle of \'the force\'..) was fairly depressing, OB1\'s triumph over the more powerful Anakin was brilliant and left me feeling pretty darn good. Not to mention the birth of Luke and Leia following.
Though, I suspect Jimmy Smits\' character is a pedophile...[/sp]
[sp] I agree. Obi Wan whooped royal ass. I knew he couldnt die (obviously) but the fact that he was able to defeat Anakin without a scratch was just, wow. Of course it took a lot out of him but that battle was epic.
Along with what you said about the twins etc. I found some pleasure in the fact that Yoda had found a way to talk to Qui Gon (or Qui Gon being able to talk to Yoda w/e) etc. obviously leading to Obi Wan talking to Luke through spirit/force.[/sp]
And no laws, i too loved the beginning. I love starfighter battles [sp] and anakin whooped dooku\'s ass. Though i too was a little unsure who was going to do what[/sp]
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Dooku wasn\'t prelevant enoughin the 1-3...I mean he\'s a great character and should of outright replaced Darth Maul in the first one.
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I don\'t watch this until Friday night. I didn\'t want to be tired for work.
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Im looking forward to seeing it, though i will wait a week or so then go.Since i am still not able to get around my youngest daughter is going to come out and bring me to see it, gee i can\'t help my self im excited to do both, spend time with my daughter and see the movie.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
[sp] I agree. Obi Wan whooped royal ass. I knew he couldnt die (obviously) but the fact that he was able to defeat Anakin without a scratch was just, wow. Of course it took a lot out of him but that battle was epic.
Along with what you said about the twins etc. I found some pleasure in the fact that Yoda had found a way to talk to Qui Gon (or Qui Gon being able to talk to Yoda w/e) etc. obviously leading to Obi Wan talking to Luke through spirit/force.[/sp]
And no laws, i too loved the beginning. I love starfighter battles [sp] and anakin whooped dooku\'s ass. Though i too was a little unsure who was going to do what[/sp]
[sp]Yeah, I was going to mention that. It also is an obvious reference to them being visible at the end of Jedi. :) Overall, it did enough to make the link to the next 3 movies in the saga to give it an overall positive feel.[/sp]
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I won\'t see it until sometime next weekend, at earliest.
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I\'m waiting too. I don\'t want to have to deal with the freaks in the wookie costumes.
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I know a lot of ppl hate ep I & II but damn..
Palpatine is such a hot character. Building the federation rebelion with the robot armies. Getting the clone armie on the other side.. getting elected at the senate, promoted chancelor and manipulating all that time everyone.
Ep I & II was like a chess game. Palpanie was just placing the piece on the right spot and Ep III is checkmate.
edit: /noobmode on
how do you use the spoiler thing?
/noobmode off
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Dont post anything like that if you dont know how to use spoiler tags. Ask first. I know half of you seem to think these threads are only for people that have not see the film but i guess i just have an different opinion. Had i read that before i saw the movie i would have been pretty angry.
Anyway put [sp] before something and then put the same thing after with "/" before the sp at the end.
Just quote somebody with spoiler tags and you will see how its done.
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Dont post anything like that if you dont know how to use spoiler tags
i didnt spoil anything from Ep3, what i said is all in Ep1 &2. if ppl by now didnt see the movie 1&2, its because they arent interested.
[sp] I like how the movie start, Palpatine get himself kidnaped for the only purpose of having Anakin/Dooku duel\'s (short but kickass hehe).
There is so many things left unclear.. when Palpatine tell the Sith legends to Anakin it look like he\'s the aprantice that killed the master. The master thought him how to manipulate force into creating life and restoring life. Was that only cheese to provoke him into thinking he could save Padme? then i start to wonder.. Schmi got pregnant without knowing, it just happened like that (hinted in Ep1).. could it be palpatine that "seeded" is own future apprentice??
Did palpatine actually created those nightmare into Anakin\'s mind? or did he just happened to read Anakin\'s mind and then used the Sith legends as a "oil on fire thing?"
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Dont post anything like that if you dont know how to use spoiler tags. Ask first. I know half of you seem to think these threads are only for people that have not see the film but i guess i just have an different opinion. Had i read that before i saw the movie i would have been pretty angry.
Anyway put [sp] before something and then put the same thing after with "/" before the sp at the end.
Just quote somebody with spoiler tags and you will see how its done.
Nicon would make a great mod
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Nicon would make a great mod
Agree:thumb:
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Originally posted by Bladez
Agree:thumb:
This guy :rolleyes:
:p
Non posting ass
Sadly (i suppose) it will never happen.
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^^^he has my vote...
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Originally posted by Nolaws
i didnt spoil anything from Ep3, what i said is all in Ep1 &2. if ppl by now didnt see the movie 1&2, its because they arent interested.
[sp] I like how the movie start, Palpatine get himself kidnaped for the only purpose of having Anakin/Dooku duel\'s (short but kickass hehe).
There is so many things left unclear.. when Palpatine tell the Sith legends to Anakin it look like he\'s the aprantice that killed the master. The master thought him how to manipulate force into creating life and restoring life. Was that only cheese to provoke him into thinking he could save Padme? then i start to wonder.. Schmi got pregnant without knowing, it just happened like that (hinted in Ep1).. could it be palpatine that "seeded" is own future apprentice??
Did palpatine actually created those nightmare into Anakin\'s mind? or did he just happened to read Anakin\'s mind and then used the Sith legends as a "oil on fire thing?"
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Palpatine was talking about himself when he was talking about the apprentice that killed his master. Either palpatine or his master did make Shmi pregnant imo.
I\'m pretty sure Anakin was telling palpatine his dreams off-screen. Just like he told him how he butched the sand people.
What i personally don\'t understand is how anakin could believe all the crap palpatine was telling him even after he realized he was a sith lord. Jedi\'s are told from day 1 sith are evil, manipulative, power hungry, liars. Yet anakin still believes he can save padme with these new found powers. Would\'nt u naturally think "this dood is evil, he\'s been sprouting crap from day 1, i can\'t trust a word he\'s saying ???[/sp]
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
[sp] I\'m pretty sure Anakin was telling palpatine his dreams off-screen. Just like he told him how he butched the sand people. [/sp]
[sp] Na. Because when palpatine told him he knew about his visions anakin was like "how the hell did you know.
anyway..im not that big of a star wars fan so it didnt really blow me away. I liked how they made the transition of anakin being good to bad, but i felt very sorry for the actor inside of darth vader\'s suit (whether it was the guy who played anakin or not) that had to go "NOOOOOOOOOOO" when he found out his chick died. Was sooo cliche. [/sp]
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
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Palpatine was talking about himself when he was talking about the apprentice that killed his master. Either palpatine or his master did make Shmi pregnant imo.
I\'m pretty sure Anakin was telling palpatine his dreams off-screen. Just like he told him how he butched the sand people.
What i personally don\'t understand is how anakin could believe all the crap palpatine was telling him even after he realized he was a sith lord. Jedi\'s are told from day 1 sith are evil, manipulative, power hungry, liars. Yet anakin still believes he can save padme with these new found powers. Would\'nt u naturally think "this dood is evil, he\'s been sprouting crap from day 1, i can\'t trust a word he\'s saying ???[/sp]
[sp] How do you figure all of this? It would seem rational that palpatine was the aprentice but there was too little evidence to prove it. It seems more likely that palpatine was just feeding Anakin bullshit to make him crumble and succumb to his will. Also, how you figure that he or his master got shmi pregnant is beyond me. Of course it could make sense but like i said before, there is just a huge late of evidence. There could be a million answers. Besides, in the legend didnt he say that he could restore life not create it? idk.
I think Viper was right about Anakin and not telling Palpatine as well.
On Anakin trusting palpatine: Anakin did tell on Palpatine when he discovered the truth, but you must remember there were so many things clouding his judgement. First of all, Palpatine was like a friend. He always seemed believed in Anakin to the fullest extent. Second, Anakin wasnt fully convinced of the Jedi council\'s actions and felt some hostility towards their not giving him master status etc. Lastly, his strong attachment to Padame made him weak and easy to manipulate. Under such emotional strain it is fairly believeable that he could be swayed (this is not even mentioning his feelings in ep 2 and his hatred/rebeliousness in generall)
Dont forget, there were often times where he struggled to comprehend his actions. I think it was fairly believeable overall. [/sp]
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I saw it last night.
Personally, I thought the story was great, and the action was great.
On the other hand, the acting, and in many cases the dialogue were pathetic.
Oh well, I guess that\'s to be expected after Ep 1 & 2.
[sp]I think it\'s kind of believable what Anakin did. The fact that he relayed the information that Palpatine was a Sith lord to Mace Windu in the first place showed he had good intentions, despite his relationship with Palpatine. He was just too in love with Padame. He wanted Palpatine to be defeated and captured, so that he could still learn from him how to save Padame without having to do anything evil. He was just in a place in that situation when Mace Windu and Palpatine were fighting where he had to make that split second decision, and he did what he had to do, he thought, to have a chance of saving Padame. After he had done that, there was really no turning back. Even if he had wanted to follow the light still, what could he have done? The Jedi would never have accepted him, and he had given into his emotions. They would have known about him marriage, his killing a Jedi to help a Sith Lord, etc., he woulda been fucked to continue on that path, and he wanted to save Padame more than anything. It was like him sacraficing his everything to save the person he loved.
On a completely different note, am I the only one who wondered during the movie if they happened to have abortions a long time ago in a galaxy far far away? I\'m pretty sure that woulda saved a whole lotta trouble :p[/sp]
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[sp]Just got finished watching... I get the feeling that they way Anakin lived was by taking the life from Padome (spelling?) somewhow, she lost the will to live and Anakin lived even after burning almost to death, not to mention having his legs removed. Either that or the chancelor did it (i know I slaughtered the spelling of their names here.)[/sp]
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I\'m not really in to Star Wars but I must say that Revenge of the Sith is one of the most spectacular movies I\'ve ever seen. The splendid visuals, the overwhelming scale, and the powerful story make it such an impressive accomplishment.
I really can\'t say enough about it so I\'ll just stop there.
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Anakin always seemed very questionable about the Jedi, so in a way it doesn\'t seem that surprising that he bought into Palp in that kind of fashion.
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ok, when reading the script to me it really looks like palpatine was the apprentice and his master did create anakin imo.
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PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?
ANAKIN: No.
PALPATINE: I thought not. It\'s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It\'s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?
PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
ANAKIN: What happened to him?
PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It\'s ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.
ANAKIN: Is it possible to learn this power?
PALPATINE: Not from a Jedi.
The smile that palpatine gives imo shows he was responsible for it. Why else would he have such a smug smirk?
Also check out this this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Plagueis) and this (http://www.jedipurge.com/) link, look around the net for "Plagueis" his name seems to come up a lot with sidious ;)
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fucking spectacular dialogue LOL
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seriously.
[sp]"I\'m beautiful because I love you"
"No, you\'re beautiful because I love you"
What the crap was that?[/sp]
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Yea......shockwaves.......I about threw my slushie at the screen when I heard that line. All in all I enjoyed it though.
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That line was crap.
But anything Palps said was awesome.
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I just saw it, that line made me & kyoko look at each other and roll our eyes. The 3D models in this film are epic, to say the least.
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True.. It was like watching to teenagers talk about how much they wuv echova.. but hey, thats what stupid kids say to eachother.
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Soully, the more i think about it, the more i think youre right about Palpatine and Plagueis. After all, It seems ironic that it basically happens again when [sp]Darth Kills Palpatine in RotJ. But on the note of him seeding his aprentice, it still seems a bit sctechy. Possible, but just a little far fetched, given the lack of evidence.[/sp]
Some of the dialogue was pretty corny and could have been better but in the grand scheme of things i cant complain. Natalie Portman is hot :p.
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Well, after watching Episode III on Friday, a couple of friends and I decided to watch Return of the Jedi last night, and that was an interesting experience. Kind of gives you an entirely new perspective on some of the scenes in the movie, pretty cool.
One thing that really irked me with the new DVD versions of the Older Films is what they did at the end. Where Vader\'s dead and his body is being burned at the Ewok Party thing, the three images appear of Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Yoda. Not sure if this qualifies as a spoiler or not, but in the newer films, they replaced the older actor of Anakin Skywalker (what he\'d look like older) and they put Hayden Christiensen there. I guess they were going for the Jedi as how they looked when they actually were Jedi or something, I dunno. Either way, I found it weird.
See Yuz.
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Are you serious? Eh. Well i have the originals on Beta and the special addition ones on VHS, none of which are new enough to have that difference. Ive been watching IV-VI recently.
Good times.
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[sp]I thought the NOOOOOOOO in the end by Vader was pretty retarded. They could have done something so much better.[/sp]
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I thought it was kind of weired seeing it all backwards. I left the movies thinking man I wanna see what vador is going to do next.
Best episode by far. The battle between Obi vs skywalker was just awesome.
Oh and lucas str8 screwed the only black guy in the movie
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I thought it was kind of weired seeing it all backwards. I left the movies thinking man I wanna see what vador is going to do next.
Best episode by far. The battle between Obi vs skywalker was just awesome.
Oh and lucas str8 screwed the only black guy in the movie
hmm i haven\'t seen the movie, don\'t plan on seein it, but let me guess...the black guy dies right? :(...:mad:..ahhh well hollywood have been pretty decent lately as far as killing off the black guy in films early on in the film...sheeit back in the day a black actor would only last in the opening credits of the movie..:p
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Just saw Episode 4 this morning, since I finally saw Epidose 3 Friday night.
Mang....as I was watching Obi Wan duel with Darth Vader, I thought about their first duel in Ep. 3. I came to the conclusion that Darth Vader was just taunting old man Ben Kenobi in Ep. 4. He could have off\'d him anytime. :D
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Originally posted by clips
hmm i haven\'t seen the movie, don\'t plan on seein it, but let me guess...the black guy dies right? :(...:mad:..ahhh well hollywood have been pretty decent lately as far as killing off the black guy in films early on in the film...sheeit back in the day a black actor would only last in the opening credits of the movie..:p
[sp]Well all the jedi are pretty much killed. I was just making a joke about the movie. Nothing serious just talking shots at lucas. The only black jedi around gets knocked off. Yo Samuel got his ass handed to him by young skywalker. It was pretty awesome. [/sp]
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^^oh ok..gotcha...
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Saw it last night....
I completely loved it.
But the dialogue, as some of you are pointing out, was totally pitiful at times.
Seriously, some of thew most poinent moments in Star Wars history were tainted with some of the lames lines I\'ve ver heard.
"If you are not with me, then you are my enemy"
HOW PROFOUND!
Anyways, I still loved the shit out of it.
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Well considering the relationship between OB1 and Anakin, referring to OB1 as his enemy was a pretty big moment. Not to mention that it led to OB1\'s realization that, yes, he had to kill Anakin. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes".
That scene was probably Hayden\'s best performance in the entire movie. I guess the audition for the part of Anakin was simply the line "LIIIAAAR!".
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That\'s what I was saying... for such a profound moment you\'d think he coulda come up with something a litle more dramatic than that.
The "only a sith deals in absolutes" was ok.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Well considering the relationship between OB1 and Anakin, referring to OB1 as his enemy was a pretty big moment. Not to mention that it led to OB1\'s realization that, yes, he had to kill Anakin. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes".
That scene was probably Hayden\'s best performance in the entire movie. I guess the audition for the part of Anakin was simply the line "LIIIAAAR!".
you might as well give up trying to make some people use the [sp] tags haha
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[sp]Why was it so easy knock off all the Jedi "Masters?" Getting zotted in the back by a gddamn clone is not a very believable way for a Jedi to go down. Why were Yoda and Obiwan the only ones bright enough to dodge the bullet?
I remember in episodes IV – VI when we heard how Vader "betrayed and murdered" the Jedi back in the day, I always figured it would have been done in a much more underhanded way. You\'ve got to acknowledge that the Jedi are a force to be reckoned with, so for one or two Sith to take them all out should have required a very devious plan. I figured it would have been done in true dark-side manner, by tricking them into a situation where they couldn\'t fight back. Like maybe blow up a planet they were on, or poison them or something. It would have strengthened this story to make that a little more interesting.
I also didn\'t understand why Vader was so trusting of the Emperor at the end. For several scenes, Palpatine was suggesting that only by joining the dark side would Anakin be able to learn the unnatural power of restoring life to Padme. He holds this carrot out for Anakin, then when Anakin helps him off Windu, Palpatine continues: "As I was saying… together, I\'m sure you and I could discover the lost skill of restoring life…" WHAT? You mean you never knew it to begin with???? If I were Anakin, I would have jabbed Palpatine in the crotch with my light sabre on general principles. Later, Palpatine tells Vader "Oh… it seems you accidentally killed Padme, dumbfuck." AND HE BELIEVES IT??? When exactly does he find out that one of his children actually lived? Sometime between Episodes IV & V, I guess. I wonder how the Emperor broke that news to him? Should have been another opportunity for a light sabre stroke to Palpatine\'s testicles, in my opinion.
I also didn\'t quite accept that it was so easy for Obiwan to sever Vader\'s legs at the end of the battle. Their sabre battle seemed like a total standoff until that point. They set it up in an obvious manner… Obiwan saying "don\'t try it! I have the high ground!" Then he tries it anyway. I guess this was supposed to be some nugget of light sabre dueling wisdom that we can\'t appreciate. Well, I didn\'t appreciate it. :p[/sp]
Overall, good movie though. :)
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simply put, different masters have skills in different fields.
Yoda pretty much has them all, being over 800 years old probably gave him plenty of time.
Obi-wan has high defensive sabre skills and high diplomatic skills. Basically some are guardians, some are Sentianals and some are Consulars. Its pretty much written like this in the books and games. In other words, some jedis study, some fight, others negotiate.
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I\'d be the Jedi that feels up all the chicks with my Jedi mind probe. ;)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
simply put, different masters have skills in different fields.
Yoda pretty much has them all, being over 800 years old probably gave him plenty of time.
Obi-wan has high defensive sabre skills and high diplomatic skills. Basically some are guardians, some are Sentianals and some are Consulars. Its pretty much written like this in the books and games. In other words, some jedis study, some fight, others negotiate.
Is that supposed to be an answer to my criticisms? [sp]If those Jedi Masters didn\'t have enough defensive skills to avoid being blizasted by some dumb clones, then they shoulda been back on the homeworld studying the Jedi Torah or whatever.[/sp]
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Very critical.
[sp]I agree it was a little to easy to kill all the Jedis though. Seemed like they were all dead in about 2 minutes flat.[/sp]
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The only thing that i thought was to quick was [sp] palpatine killing the 3 other jedis with windu[/sp]
that was way to quick.
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Yeah.. I forgot to mention that! WTF?
4 on 1 reduced to 1 on 1 in 30 seconds...
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SPOILERS FUCK OFF SPOILERS SPOILERS
Originally posted by Coredweller
[sp]Why was it so easy knock off all the Jedi "Masters?" Getting zotted in the back by a gddamn clone is not a very believable way for a Jedi to go down. Why were Yoda and Obiwan the only ones bright enough to dodge the bullet?
I remember in episodes IV – VI when we heard how Vader "betrayed and murdered" the Jedi back in the day, I always figured it would have been done in a much more underhanded way. You\'ve got to acknowledge that the Jedi are a force to be reckoned with, so for one or two Sith to take them all out should have required a very devious plan. I figured it would have been done in true dark-side manner, by tricking them into a situation where they couldn\'t fight back. Like maybe blow up a planet they were on, or poison them or something. It would have strengthened this story to make that a little more interesting.
I also didn\'t understand why Vader was so trusting of the Emperor at the end. For several scenes, Palpatine was suggesting that only by joining the dark side would Anakin be able to learn the unnatural power of restoring life to Padme. He holds this carrot out for Anakin, then when Anakin helps him off Windu, Palpatine continues: "As I was saying… together, I\'m sure you and I could discover the lost skill of restoring life…" WHAT? You mean you never knew it to begin with???? If I were Anakin, I would have jabbed Palpatine in the crotch with my light sabre on general principles. Later, Palpatine tells Vader "Oh… it seems you accidentally killed Padme, dumbfuck." AND HE BELIEVES IT??? When exactly does he find out that one of his children actually lived? Sometime between Episodes IV & V, I guess. I wonder how the Emperor broke that news to him? Should have been another opportunity for a light sabre stroke to Palpatine\'s testicles, in my opinion.
I also didn\'t quite accept that it was so easy for Obiwan to sever Vader\'s legs at the end of the battle. Their sabre battle seemed like a total standoff until that point. They set it up in an obvious manner… Obiwan saying "don\'t try it! I have the high ground!" Then he tries it anyway. I guess this was supposed to be some nugget of light sabre dueling wisdom that we can\'t appreciate. Well, I didn\'t appreciate it. :p[/sp]
Overall, good movie though. :)
Uhm..
You don\'t think that puppeteering the entire events of the first 3 movies is underhanded?? Palps organized the creation of a clone army with a secret "Operation 66" or whatever programmed into their brains to do as he said, when he said. Given that he orchestrated a war, in which the best possible chance for the Republic to win was to use a clone army that he himself had organised purely for this one event in the future.. that seems pretty darn underhanded to me.
More so than luring them to a planet, then blowing the planet up. :rolleyes:
I figured it would have been done in true dark-side manner, by tricking them into a situation where they couldn\'t fight back.
Well, the thing is, he did trick them into a situation that they couldn\'t fight back from. Near 100% reliance on a clone army who were programmed to betray them. OB1 and Yoda were merely lucky to escape. OB1 would have been dead too, had the Emperor ordered Operation 66 merely 30 seconds earlier. And Yoda only had to face one (or was it two?) individual troopers.
The other Jedi deaths (and I would presume that there were far more than the mere 5 or so Jedi\'s they showed) all seemed perfectly plausible.
As far as trusting Palpating goes, did he really? All he really wanted from him was the ability to save Padme\'s life. He even planned to kill the Emperor when the time was right. After that, I suppose he became too twisted with the dark side. Though, that\'s an easy rebuttle. It\'s like saying "How did he manage to beat all those bad guys!?" "... magic." :p
Palps killing the other Jedi\'s was merely meant to show how powerful he was. Though, I would expect the Jedi\'s to put up a few parries, or something. :D
If those Jedi Masters didn\'t have enough defensive skills to avoid being blizasted by some dumb clones, then they shoulda been back on the homeworld studying the Jedi Torah or whatever.
But they were shot in the back. You can\'t defend if you don\'t know that you need to defend..
I also didn\'t quite accept that it was so easy for Obiwan to sever Vader\'s legs at the end of the battle. Their sabre battle seemed like a total standoff until that point. They set it up in an obvious manner… Obiwan saying "don\'t try it! I have the high ground!" Then he tries it anyway. I guess this was supposed to be some nugget of light sabre dueling wisdom that we can\'t appreciate. Well, I didn\'t appreciate it.
That was the experience of OB1 up against the arrogance of Anakin. He wanted to upstage OB1 by doing what OB1 told him he could not. Though, I think his biggest mistake was instead of doing a little hop, he did a massive summersault. :laughing:
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100% agree with Bob..
[sp]Palp planned everything. the creation of the clone army, the creation of droid army. Fueled the separatist and created the war. Kept himself hidden as a Sith, went from senator to chancelor to supremem chancelor to Emperor.. Palpatine is the Phantom menace.
in 4-5-6 my fav caracter was Darth Vader.. it\'s slowly turning out to be Palpatine.
I still dont understand why Yoda told Obi he "found" a way to speak with is old master Qui.. ? i mean, i dont see the relation it has with "a new hope". Was it only so Obi could find is uncle Owen ?
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no, it was so luke could talk to obiwan when he was dead and vise visa..
gezz, do i have to write a book to explain these simple things. ;)
and bob, jedis are meant to sense attacks, no matter where they\'re from. Watch the movies and take note of how many blaster attacks they defend that they don\'t even see and sabre attacks.
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They\'re ability to use the force had been diminished. They were distracted, and by the time they would have seen it coming, it was too late. All the situations they showed turned out plausible.
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True, a Jedi cannot single handedly take on an entire regiment of Storm Troopers. Especially when they\'re surrounded. They can only leap for so long and so high. Even Boba Fett\'s dad gave Obi plenty of trouble at the clone factory.
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also, these weren\'t "dumb clones"... they were clones of the most gifter warrior they could find, Jango Fett....
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BS. They were cannon fodder. Are they any better than the dumb stormtroopers who got their asses whipped by a bunch of teddy bears in Return of the Jedi? I don\'t think so.
The Jedi Masters on the various frontline planets even didn\'t put up much of a fight against those clones with their clumsy blasters. The whole idea of Jedi Masters getting beaten down with blasters is completely wrong. These dudes eat up blaster fire for breakfast. It just felt completely false to me.
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The Jedi Masters on the various frontline planets
for what it matters most were knights, not masters.
I am pretty sure that those Jedis were confident about their "teammates" and didnt have to wory about them...
Anyway, it\'s the part of the movie i didnt like.. i wish vader would have slaughter them all by himself..
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Originally posted by Coredweller
BS. They were cannon fodder. Are they any better than the dumb stormtroopers who got their asses whipped by a bunch of teddy bears in Return of the Jedi? I don\'t think so.
The Jedi Masters on the various frontline planets even didn\'t put up much of a fight against those clones with their clumsy blasters. The whole idea of Jedi Masters getting beaten down with blasters is completely wrong. These dudes eat up blaster fire for breakfast. It just felt completely false to me.
I agree with Core. The Jedi have the ability to sense attacks from all directions - ie. Luke learning to use the Force with the practice droid in Ep IV on the Falcon with the blast shield on his helmet down.
Also Bob, how was their ability to use the Force dimished? Apparently OB\'s and Yoda\'s hadn\'t.
I think Shockwave linked a site that had the original script and after reading that one - with a few edits would have made much more sense.
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What?? They only have a slight sense of direction of blaster fire, it\'s not like they can sense "an entire regiment is about to be ordered by a secret Dark Master of the force and attack me".
I don\'t care who you are, deflecting one or two blaster bullets at a time, or deflecting about 20 of them is completely different. These people were relying on the clones, and the last thing they expected (regardless of their current abilities to use the force) was for them to turn on them. And by the time they did realize that, it was too late.
And I already explained how Yoda and OB1 managed to escape. It has nothing to do with their force not being diminished, it was nothing more than luck.
Also Bob, how was their ability to use the Force dimished?
It was explained in Episode II. Yoda says so. And the only person that knows is the Dark Lord of the Sith.
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The jedi, all of them, had a diminished ability to use the force. This was talked about in both Ep2 and Ep3, I think especially in Ep2.
Both OB1 and Yoda\'s abilities had diminished as well. OB1 didn\'t see the attack coming either, and no one sensed that Palpetine was a sith lord, something they said showed their lack of ability to use the force, at the time.
Some of the Jedi did know something was wrong and try to fight back, such as the first one they showed, but were just in two tough of a position. The first Jedi they showed tried to fight back, but being at the front of a squadron of troops, attacking a squadron of robots, and having both sides firing on him and only him was a bit too much, even for a jedi.
And there is a difference between the blaster droid on the falcon and this, because on the falcon, Luke knew something was coming. He knew to look for it. The jedi didn\'t. As another example of this from ep 4-6, look at how the emporer, who clearly had a good deal of control of the force, didn\'t sense Vader\'s turning on him in the end of ep6. Look at how Vader didn\'t see the attacks from the falcon coming until it was too late in Ep4. The difference between that and a blaster droid? They were both situations where no attack was expected, so they didn\'t know to look for one. It was the same case here.
Though I agree, Vader hunting them down and killing em all would have been cooler :)
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Im with cored and everybody on that side of the argument. I was going to explain until i got caught up in doing something. I think everybody summed everything up pretty well. :p
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There\'s a clear gap in power between a lot of the Jedi and it\'s very simple to understand. Some jedi\'s can stand up to Siddious in a duel(Yoda, Windu), other\'s just don\'t have the power and skill to compete(in ep2 in the arena plenty of Jedi died to fire power...but others were powerful enough to survive).
Yoda sits in the center cause he\'s the strongest k?
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I doubt whether or not even Windu could stand up to the Emperor in a light sabre dual.. Though, they never exactly show to what extent Palps was feining weakness in their dual, I would assume that the whole fight was orchestrated. Had he wished to kill Windu as quickly as the other 3 Jedi\'s, he would have done so.
I\'m pretty sure it would only have been Yoda, and maybe Anakin.. had ne not lost his cool in a hypothetical fight as he did against OB1.
Oh, and I forgot who mentioned it, but the point of Yoda bringing up the ability to comminicate from within the Force is a perfect way of explaining how OB1 could communicate with Luke after death (Remember, the force.. will be with you) and how Anakin, Yoda and OB1 were visible after death.
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I\'m pretty sure it would only have been Yoda, and maybe Anakin..
i\'d love to see exact text, but in Ep2 Obi tell Anakin something like "control the force like master yoda and fight with a light saber like master windu".
IMO, Windu is very powerfull. Possibly the best Jedi warrior type. He manage to give Jango a quick haircut without a sweat, and Jango was a fearsome warrior (even Obi had trouble with).
I Also dont think Windu woulda go against Palp if he though he couldnt handle him.
Palpatine is a genius. He orchestred everything. He is like Obi, a diplomate type Sith. average with the force, average with the lightsaber (IMO)
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btw..
Also Bob, how was their ability to use the Force dimished? Apparently OB\'s and Yoda\'s hadn\'t.
answers by Geoge!
"It\'s not that they can\'t see the Dark Side coming, it\'s just that the Dark Side begins to envelop everything. It\'s like walking into a fog. The Jedi\'s ability to see lessens as the Dark Side grows."
--George Lucas
"As evil begins to take over, it pushes the Force out of balance."
--George Lucas, AOTC DVD commentary.
here\'s more nice answers from a post i found somewhere:
"I think it is obvious that [Qui-Gon] was wrong in Episode I and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The “phantom menace” refers to the force of the dark side of the universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills the Emperor is Darth Vader—also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction and Qui-Gon are correct—Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrifice. Luke couldn\'t kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor."
-— George Lucas, Cut Magazine, 1999
"If good and evil are mixed things become blurred - there is nothing between good and evil, everything is grey. In each of us we to have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this. In The Phantom Menace one of the Jedi Council already knows the balance of The Force is starting to slip, and will slip further. It is obvious to this person that The Sith are going to destroy this balance. On the other hand a prediction which is referred to states someone will replace the balance in the future. At the right time a balance may again be created, but presently it is being eroded by dark forces. All of this shall be explained in Episode 2, so I can\'t say any more!"
-- George Lucas
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That doesn\'t necessarily mean that Windu is as good as Yoda with a sabre. Or indeed Palpatine.
Remember also when OB1 said something along the lines of "If you spent half as much time practicing with a light sabre as you spent doing [whatever], then you\'d rival master yoda as a swordsman." Could also mean that Yoda is looked upon as the pinnacle of light sabre abilities.
Windu being the greatest swordsman was a possibility, but and I had considered it in my above post (but later deleted what I wrote), but.. I have my doubts.
And Palpatine is the equivilent of Yoda, he is good at everything. If you think he has average light-sabre skills/average with the force, then you must have watched a different movie than I. :P
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dont really want to make a new thread on this so ill ask here..
whats that one song from the Episode 1 that was played a sh*t load? with the orchestra..
iv looked on amazon but al they had were songs that were in the middle of the movie. and i couldnt think of how to word a search on google to find it.
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It\'s called "Duel of the Fates" by John Williams.
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Duel of the Fates is a pretty good orchestral song. I played it in a concert band one time and it sucked. Its one of those songs that has to be done by an orchestra.
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Yeah, that song is like the theme for my life.
Today at work, I was fixing this xray scanner, and jar o pickles was at my laptop.
I made him play it while I was doing a particularly hard part of the repair.
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Movie made me want to play Jedi Academy again.
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It inspired me to finally buy Knights of the Old Republic again!
I\'m still not sure if choosing the light side will be more fun!! So confused I am. :(
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Went back to playing shadows of the emperor, rogue squadon, Star Wars arcade and watching eps 4-6. That and long nostalgic conversations with friends.
Good stuff.
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Just saw this movie tonight. I enjoyed it but...
[sp]This movie was way the fuck too fucking fuckity fuck fuck short. Seems like Darth Vader finally puts on his skirt and then it ends. I was hoping for at least some Darth Vader action before the movie ended. I think the movie could have used about 2 more hours. Maybe they\'ll release an extended version...or something.[/sp]
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3 hours wasn\'t enough for you?
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They did cut out plenty of scenes, though, that will make it into the DVD. Mainly just side-stories involving Padme, though.
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The length was exactly what I expected. Knowing vaguely what the story was going to cover, I figured there would be very little of Dark Helmet. I guess the marketers might have deceived some of the audience with that trailer showing Vader in the mask.
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It was meant to be the fall of anakin to the dark side, not the fall then 2 hours of him being in the suit.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
3 hours wasn\'t enough for you?
[sp]FUCK NO![/sp]
It was meant to be the fall of anakin to the dark side, not the fall then 2 hours of him being in the suit.
That\'s exactly what I wasn\'t trying to get at. Thanks you for making that assumption. :stick:
I thought it ended just fine. I just enjoyed the movie so much I was a little sad to see it end.
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So how long is DV on screen then?
Is it just him appearing then the end credits, or what?
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Windu was supposed to be the greatest swords fighter of all time and almost as skilled with the force as Yoda. Yet for some reason they never show it on screen.
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Who said that?
I suppose if that is the case, then they would have shown his sword fighting skills on screen, by having him be the only one to out fight Palps.
That is, assuming that Palps didn\'t let him.
But they never really show him using the force.
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a bunch of people, including Lucas himself. Here\'s a good summary on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_Windu
Windu is often regarded as second only to Master Yoda on the Council. His wisdom and power are legendary, as are the weight of his words.
In addition to his reputation for wisdom, Windu is considered to be one of the finest swordsmen to ever grace the Jedi Order. He is the creator of the seventh style of lightsaber combat, Vaapad. Only Mace Windu, his former student Depa Billaba, and legendary lightsaber instructor Sora Bulq have ever mastered it
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Thats dope. Nice find
And Evi, i agree. I didnt want it to be over. As soon as i saw ep III the first thing i wanted to do was watch ep IV.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I thought it ended just fine. I just enjoyed the movie so much I was a little sad to see it end.
I was happy to see it end. The reason was because it was so action packed, when my bladder filled from all the Coke I drank, I didn\'t want to miss the movie. So, I was just waiting for it to end to empty out my bladder. Man, that was like a 5 minute long piss :)
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I ran to the bathroom during the slow parts...which there weren\'t many of. I hate waiting...followed by the 5 minute pissing sessions. I almost died in The Matrix from holding back the urge to piss.
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You can\'t hold a piss in for 3 hours?
Oh, and nice find no-one. But that doesn\'t directly state that he is better with a light-sabre than Yoda. :P But I get your point. Yeah, it would be great if he had more action.
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I just watched this movie again last night and now I feel like it\'s kind of meh...... A lot of the dialog seems mediocre.
And I would have rather had seen the jedi go out in a great battle. Than just being shot by some weak blasters. I mean how great does that make a jedi look when he can be easily killed?
The story seemed really rushed. I think a lot of things should have been touched up on. And others could have been avoided. Maybe he should have made an episode 4 and the story would not seem so rushed.
Overall now that I think about it this is just another pop tart.
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I just saw it again yesterday. I noted that 2 of the 4 jedi backing up Mace Windu go down under Palpatine\'s FIRST STROKE without any sort of block or defense of any kind. They looked like they were getting dunked on by Michael Jordan. The third one does a couple blocks, then he goes down too. Complete bullshit.
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well, this is the end right? i mean this leads right up to the the original star wars correct?
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There will be more I think, this is just a simply money making machine I wouldn\'t be surprised if somewhere down the line someone does 7-9.
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I\'ve heard georgey was planning on doing 7-9 and basing it around lukes academy. Then i heard that ep 3 was the last one he wanted to make.. pffft yea right, starwars has MADE lucas. He\'ll cash in more again.
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Why would Lucas care about making additional Star Wars films? So he can absorb more abuse from SW geeks around the world? I\'m sure he\'s tired of the attention... not to mention the dude is richer than any human needs to be.
I think he should call it quits before he really embarrases himself. I can see it now: "Episode VII: Rise of the Ewok Jedi Elite" :rolleyes:
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You really think he gives a crap about what people say, he\'s in it for the cash. Otherwise episode 1 would have never seen the light of day.
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You can\'t hold a piss in for 3 hours?
Not after 3 refills on a huge Dr. Pepper...no. I said I held the urge to piss...but I still went to get snacks and sh*t.
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i\'ve heard that TV series is well underway and would start in Yoda\'s early day and would last a long while untill after Luke\'s academy
:rolleyes:
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They\'d need to bring in Aaron Sorkin on a show like that.
I can just imagine..
*thinks of Yoda talking to a student while walking down a twisting hallway, camera facing Yoda*
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well, there\'s a lot more story there to be told. In the early days of the republic when the Sith were called Dark Jedi and every Jedi trained in both the light side and the dark side, doing a movie about how they eventually spilit up would be nice. Or a movie in the future about the fight with the Yushong Vong.
I for one would like more Star Wars, as long as Lucas wouldn\'t helm it but fund it.
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I for one would like more Star Wars, as long as Lucas wouldn\'t helm it but fund it.
and show been rated 13+ or something pweeeease
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What?
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
I\'ve heard georgey was planning on doing 7-9 and basing it around lukes academy. Then i heard that ep 3 was the last one he wanted to make.. pffft yea right, starwars has MADE lucas. He\'ll cash in more again.
True. I think he will do a lot more, especially 7-9. Supposedly, the scripts are already written.
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I kind of like how some of the Jedi were killed(ie by a shot to the back!). It made sense too. They were clones, designed to have limited individual thought, so there was no remorse when they suddenly were ordered to fire on them so how could the Jedi sense it. Another well thought out move by Siddious.
And I\'m sorry but those Jedi who were owned by Siddious were nubs, complete nubs. Siddious isn\'t even that good of a fighter, it\'s clear his strength lies in manipulation. Windu had him, Yoda had him, he\'s just tricky at getting away.
I\'m watching a bootlegged copy on my pc right, now, but Padma and Anakyn are talking so reply ftw.
also
""Darth Plagueis was the Sith Lord to whom Darth Sidious was apprenticed. However, Sidious betrayed Plagueis (a common practice among the Sith) and killed him in his sleep, thus becoming the Sith master himself. Plagueis is sometimes referred to as "Darth Plagueis the Wise", as he found a way to manipulate midi-clorians to prevent death and create life."
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yea, thanks for saying what i already did jumpy ;)
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im repeating what i said earlier no one listens to me!
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Lucas had said if episode\'s 7-9 were to be made, he would not be involved.
Yeah right.
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Originally posted by Luke
Lucas had said if episode\'s 7-9 were to be made, he would not be involved.
Yeah right.
What a crock of sh*t. I highly doubt he would let someone else take over the Star Wars movies while he\'s still breathing.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
im repeating what i said earlier no one listens to me!
You got that right :p
He says he wants nothing to do with 7-9 but it is a crock of shit. I\'m sure he would want to cash in on it. If he doesn\'t do 7-9, he wouldn\'t want anyone else doing it either.